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So we as the host and initiated the meeting. 00:00:00
All right, we can start recording then. OK, beautiful. 00:00:05
Thank you, Madam Chair. 00:00:13
I think we're ready to go. Thank you. 00:00:17
I call this. 00:00:21
Thank you. I call this meeting of the Pacific Grove Economic Development Commission to order at 4:20. 00:00:23
Quick reminder to everyone that if you make a motion or second it, please state your name for the. 00:00:33
OK. So we'll start with approval of the agenda. Madam Chair, I suggest that we call the roll. 00:00:41
Yes. 00:00:52
Thank you City manager that. 00:00:53
Yeah, go ahead. 00:00:57
Vice Chair Jacobs. 00:00:58
Chair up. 00:01:02
Absent, Commissioner van. 00:01:05
Here, Commissioner. 00:01:08
Present. 00:01:11
Commissioner Richmond. 00:01:13
Absent Commissioner Hoops. 00:01:15
Here. 00:01:19
Commissioner Markowitz. 00:01:21
We have 5 Commissioners present and two absent. We have a quorum. 00:01:25
Thank you. 00:01:31
So we'll move on to approval of the agenda. The agenda supporting documents in the packet were circulated in advance of today's 00:01:33
meeting and are available for download on the EDC page of the city website. 00:01:39
Are there any questions on order of agenda items from Commissioners? 00:01:45
Is there a motion to approve the agenda as presented? So moved, Robin. 00:01:52
OK. 00:01:57
Would you say, oh, yes, go ahead. My question is for the agenda here. I know there was scheduled to be a Concert Series 00:02:02
subcommittee update and Kelsey was supposed to deliver that. So we might want to just take that off the agenda for today. 00:02:08
OK. That's item 10 on the regular agenda. 00:02:14
That's common sense and good point. Thank you. So, so we'll delete agenda item. Oh my goodness, 10. Thank you. 00:02:17
Are we approving December minutes? 00:02:28
Oh, we'll get to that in just a SEC. 00:02:31
Yeah. 00:02:33
So are we? Can I? Would anyone? 00:02:35
Make a motion that we. 00:02:39
Delete and can I take it as read that you have Thank you anyone to 2nd so moved. Thank you. So can we? 00:02:41
Vote please. 00:02:50
Commissioner Mark. 00:02:52
Yes. 00:02:54
Commissioner Vanuti. 00:02:56
Vice Chair Jacobs. 00:02:59
Commissioner G. 00:03:02
Yes. 00:03:05
Commissioner Hoops. 00:03:08
Five Eyes, 0 nays, Motion passes. 00:03:11
Thank you. So let's move on to #2 Commission and staff announcements, city related items. 00:03:14
I would like to start, if I may, invite myself to make an announcement at the BID meeting yesterday for January. 00:03:24
We finally got to the point where we've been discussing for a while and we are forming a business forum which will be which will 00:03:36
have 4 members. 00:03:40
And I thought it'd be particularly of interest to this group. We are inviting someone to represent the EDC on it and. 00:03:45
The purpose of the group is to. 00:03:54
Meet monthly informally and discuss amongst the different groups which are HIDBIDEDC and Chamber. 00:03:57
What each group is doing so that we don't duplicate and also that. 00:04:06
Well, if we are duplicating, we do so in a constructive way where we might strengthen each other's work and. 00:04:12
To discuss anything of interest that we feel needs advocacy to just, you know, build stronger bonds in our business community in 00:04:19
town and hope that that promotes economic development. So the person who's going to be organizing it is Jenny right here, Jenny 00:04:25
McMurdo. 00:04:30
She is going well. Can I let you just Sure. Anything. I didn't. Oh no, she's she said it exactly that. You said it perfectly. 00:04:38
I'll be administering and also present. Obviously this group is the the toughest group of all four of them. 00:04:47
And we did decide yesterday that we'd like it to be rotating members coming in and in and out. So what I'll do is anyone who's 00:04:55
interested. 00:05:00
Send me an e-mail and then I'll get a calendar and it'll be real simple. We'll be able to put it on people's agendas and. 00:05:05
Excited about that new group. 00:05:12
Yeah, I think personally, as much communication as we have amongst the other groups that promote business interests in town, I 00:05:15
think it's fabulous and I hope everyone is keen to participate. 00:05:20
So that was one thing. 00:05:25
And then another. 00:05:29
Item is. 00:05:32
All restaurants recently received letters. 00:05:35
Saying that. 00:05:40
We we're not allowed to have music above 70 decibels in town and I know a lot of businesses. 00:05:42
Are. 00:05:51
Part of their business model is to have live music and. 00:05:52
At the moment it's. The only way to do it now is to pay $92 for every event that you have. So if you do something twice a week, 00:05:58
that's like nearly $200 a week and. 00:06:03
As our HDL consultants have been really. 00:06:10
Strenuously promoting doing live music, especially like a restaurant, concert series or concert series in general, I feel you know 00:06:14
it's in the context of economic development. It does help promote things and just want to say that that is a topic that the BID is 00:06:21
going to be discussing to see if there's a way to. 00:06:27
I'll make it easier financially for businesses. 00:06:35
And I just wanted to flag that that will be at the next bid meeting in February, yes. 00:06:39
I don't know the answer to that. 00:06:47
Madam Chair, yes, it's probably in the municipal code. 00:06:53
The. 00:06:59
Yeah, yeah. 00:07:01
Yeah, it probably was based on some sound studies that were done some time ago. 00:07:04
Yeah, it's interesting. We took a decibelometer out to the parklet and people just drinking and talking is 94 decibels. So it's 00:07:11
even louder than that, you know. So it's there is a lot, you know 70 is very little anyway. 00:07:18
So apparently it's the sound of a washing machine. That's what it says online. I don't know anyway, so I just wanted to flag that 00:07:28
for your attention. 00:07:32
And thank you. Can I ask if there's anyone else with comments? 00:07:36
OK. Do you want to go for Jenny? 00:07:43
The other thing is we are now in a new calendar year, as you all know. That means that new employment laws are taking place. They 00:08:22
already would have started on January 1st. So if you don't know what some of the new legislation is for 2024, give me a call. I 00:08:28
have a really great white paper that I get from Cal Chamber and I can go through those with you if you have any questions. Thank 00:08:33
you. 00:08:38
Yeah, Commissioner. 00:08:49
Thank you, Vice, Chair Jacobs and I, I happen to have been at the BID yesterday and I was excited to hear. 00:08:51
The formation of this group and. 00:08:58
Recall it's the EDC, the chamber. 00:09:01
The Downtown Business Improvement District and the Hospitality. 00:09:05
Improvement Dist. 00:09:09
And I think it's an informal working group. It's not a brown act. 00:09:10
Group. Is that correct? 00:09:15
I think that's. 00:09:16
So I think it's a great idea. 00:09:19
And just a couple of the things, there is a new brew pub which has finally been, after a couple years, approved. 00:09:22
Down in the old laundry on lighthouse across from the old pier. 00:09:31
And it's called, I believe, hops and fog and. 00:09:35
Story on it and when it's opening to hope for May 1st, they got interior stores. A really great story. Yeah. You know I I was 00:09:46
watching some comments by I think it's Mike Duncan. I think he's the the owner of the business and he's very excited and inviting 00:09:51
people to come in. 00:09:56
The second thing I'd like to mention is that. 00:10:02
The chief Madeleine, the police chief for Pacific. 00:10:06
Has graciously agreed. 00:10:11
Equip for patrol cars with something called an emergency sleeping bag. It comes in a. 00:10:16
A reasonable packet, like this emergency sleeping bag. It's a full body sized Mylar bag which you can fold it up and stick back in 00:10:21
here. 00:10:25
It keeps your body. 00:10:30
Uh, it keeps the peed in, 95% of your body heat in and it's waterproof. It's Mylar, it's recyclable. And so local group has 00:10:32
donated these to the police chief. We're trying to get other. 00:10:38
City police organizations to also equip their patrol cars. Some people are don't qualify for various programs like I help because 00:10:44
you have to be clean and sober. They find themselves on the street and if you do overnight, if your core body temperature drops to 00:10:51
2 1/2°, you're really in trouble. So the chief met alone. Thanks to her for helping. 00:10:59
I'll make these avail. 00:11:07
The one other thing I would mention there is a new Speaking of new employment laws. 00:11:10
There's a assemblyman in Sacramento by the name of Lee. 00:11:16
And he got approved in the and the governor signed something called AB 413. 00:11:21
And it's going to impact downtown businesses. It's going to. 00:11:27
Pacific Grove, AB 4. 00:11:31
Says that you cannot park or stop a vehicle. 00:11:35
Within. 00:11:38
Of a crosswalk. Whether the crosswalk is marked or unmarked, I don't know exactly what that means. I don't know if it's going to 00:11:40
have. 00:11:43
You know what impact that's going to have, but that went into effect. 00:11:47
On January the 1st. 00:11:51
And so I think. 00:11:53
It'll be interesting to see what you know, what it does to parking downtown, and even what it does to parklets. Nobody really 00:11:55
knows yet. 00:11:58
So, so there's that. 00:12:02
Interestingly, we we we got 2 letters and normally we don't read the letters, but we do recognize. 00:12:05
And one they both represent. We got one from Colleen Goldsmith, who. 00:12:12
Chair of the Rec. 00:12:17
And she is very interested in resurrecting something called the Christmas Markets, which I remember maybe 20 years ago, The 00:12:18
Christmas market was not downtown, but it was someplace else where perhaps folks, they bring their crafts, they sell them at a 00:12:26
Christmas market. And she said it's a great idea. And she's suggesting that the EDC help may be organized a volunteer group. 00:12:34
And it'd be either held at Chautauqua Hall or and and be compacted with the Christmas tree lighting and that sort of thing. So 00:12:42
maybe it's something that the bid would like to look at, you know, maybe something we should talk about more. 00:12:48
And then? 00:12:55
A member of the Planning Commission sent us an e-mail. 00:12:56
Talking about our minutes and our agendas. 00:13:00
And keeping some kind of written minutes if there is no formal present. 00:13:03
Of a action item on the agenda. 00:13:08
It should be recorded in the Minutes in terms of what the actions. 00:13:11
And we have the minutes from last time, which we haven't Appro. 00:13:15
But they they should donate and they should they should call out what the action items are from December. It just simply says that 00:13:19
a that a presentation was made. There is no documentation of what the decisions actually were. So I'm not sure who takes notes, 00:13:26
who is responsible for that, but I think I'd like to see the minutes. Mr. Kubica from the Planning Commission mentioned this and I 00:13:33
think it's a it's it's something we can do better on. 00:13:40
I think. 00:13:49
I think that's it. Thank you, Commissioner Gibbs. 00:13:54
Any other comments from commissioners? 00:13:59
OK, Our Council Liaison officer. 00:14:04
Do you have any announcements for the EDC? Yes, I just have one minor announcement as you may know, the City of Pacific Grove. 00:14:08
Partnership with the Transportation Agency of Monterey. 00:14:17
Is making improvements to the center, the Sunset Dr. corridor, so that's between Forest Ave. and Cedar St. Slash Sunset Street by 00:14:21
the Fiber intersection. 00:14:25
The first of the community meetings is being held on Tuesday, January 9th between 5:30 and 7:30 PM at Short Aqua Hall. I would 00:14:30
encourage all of anyone of you and whoever else from the public to participate in this meeting and contribute to see how we can 00:14:37
improve a section of the town that is used very frequently and mostly by children. Thank you. 00:14:43
Yeah, thank you, Councilman. 00:14:51
OK, umm. 00:14:54
So let's move on to general public. 00:14:57
This portion of the meeting is reserved for members of the public to address the Commission on any matter that's not on the 00:15:02
agenda, but under the jurisdiction of the Commission. 00:15:06
Comments from the public are limited to 3 minutes and do not receive EDC action. 00:15:12
Comments regarding items on the regular agenda shall be heard prior to the EDC's consideration of such items, as they are called 00:15:16
the agenda. 00:15:20
So. 00:15:26
Please, who do we have the pleasure of welcoming today? Hi. 00:15:27
Yeah, click the little button there. And can you please state your name? Hello, everybody. I am Natasha Vanderlaan. I'm the 00:15:33
Associate Director of Sales for Sylmar Conference Grounds. I'm here with Vivian Garcia, our Director of Sales. Our we actually 00:15:40
have a fairly new General Manager, Fareed Kamal, who had hoped to be here today, but he wasn't able to make it. So we just wanted 00:15:47
to give you a few updates on a Sylmar. We've been working pretty furiously for the last two years to bring it back to life. 00:15:55
We had a fabulous holiday season. We had brought back our Thanksgiving dinner. We had close to 800 folks who attended that 00:16:03
throughout Thanksgiving Day. We participated in the holidays at the ends again and we have some really great things on the 00:16:09
schedule. For this upcoming year, we're planning to bring back the Sunset Music series that we hosted in the past, so that'll be 00:16:15
going. 00:16:20
I will send out the calendar but it's the last Friday in May, every Friday through mid August. 00:16:28
So that's we're really excited about that along with other renovations and consistent maintenance that we're doing to the 00:16:34
property. I'll turn it over to Vivian, but we just wanted to let everyone know what we've been up to. Hello. 00:16:41
So we've been trying to attract all the previous large groups that we had over the years, bringing them back. Whenever we have 00:16:49
those type of groups, we use a lot of overflow properties for them, keeping the business in City of Pacific Grove and also when 00:16:55
they're staying. 00:17:01
Off site which is the other properties they tend to go use the local restaurants around here. So we're really excited to bring 00:17:07
those groups back. 00:17:12
And we're already I can be talking to them already so. 00:17:17
Thank you for having us. Thank you. Thank you so much. 00:17:22
Why not? 00:17:25
I just wanted to say heartfelt. Thank you. That's wonderful and I think we're all really delighted so. 00:17:29
Yeah, it's a, you know, it's a, it's a. It's an icon in. 00:17:35
And I think it's actually under management of the of the California State Park system, is that right? 00:17:39
It is state Parks and it is privately managed by Parks now. Yes. And so, I mean, it's, it's an iconic facility in in the United 00:17:44
States. Yeah. And I'm glad to hear that you're bringing it back. But I have a very important question. 00:17:51
That big fireplace in the lobby, is that ever going to get fired up again? Oh, you've got to come. It's been, it's been going. 00:17:58
It's been going. Yeah, I came right. Yeah. I came about a month ago, month and a half ago, and I didn't see it going. So it's been 00:18:04
going and we're starting to ring the bell back during Miller. 00:18:09
Right. Nice job. Good to see you. So Lamar back? Will the cafe be open? 00:18:16
Or longer hours. It is update the traffic traffic that's coming in. It is currently open right now. I think it's only open until 00:18:23
7:00 PM, then we're back to until 9:00 PM tomorrow. I see. OK. So over the weekends now it's 7:00 to 9:00, during the weekday 7:00 00:18:29
to 7:00. But we intend over the next few months to extend that back to, I believe we were 7:00 to 10:00 PM in the past. So that 00:18:36
would be the goal. But like we said, 7 to 9, probably extending that into weekdays and then going from there. Are you saying 7:00 00:18:42
AM or 7:00 PM? 00:18:49
AM tonight. 00:18:55
Yeah, Yeah. Excellent. Thank you. I just wanted to say thank you so much for coming and we'll we'll get freed in here, yeah, 00:18:57
definitely. 00:19:01
Thank you everyone. This is our first time. We're loving it. Thank you for having us. Much appreciated. Thank you. 00:19:07
So. 00:19:14
Inga, I can see that you have got your hand raised, so can be recognizing Lorenz and Dahmer to speak. 00:19:16
Thank you very much. That is good news to hear about asylum are and. 00:19:25
I wanted to remind the chair and staff. 00:19:31
Unless you have your mics on and speaking. 00:19:35
They're going to be no decibels coming through. 00:19:40
And that is unfortunate. Of course, we had 20 minutes of no decibels and I would kind of think that after four years of doing Zoom 00:19:46
meetings or going into the 4th year that we wouldn't have these glitches and possibly it would be a good idea to put up a little 00:19:53
sign on the website. 00:19:59
I mean on your meeting, so that we aren't just saying what's happening, you know, it's like problems, it problems, whatever. But 00:20:07
who knows when it's gonna start. 00:20:13
And another thing is right kind of along the lines of of Andy Kubica's letter about minutes is is the reports and agenda reports. 00:20:19
I am so glad the errata was issued even though. 00:20:27
Pretty late today. 00:20:35
Because agenda reports should always be in the agenda and always written. 00:20:38
We've we've had such sparse information and obviously in the erratic quite a lot came out, so I appreciate that very much and it 00:20:47
should just be a matter of course in my mind. 00:20:53
Thank you. 00:20:59
Yeah. Thank you very much. 00:21:02
OK. Any other comments from the public? 00:21:07
I see no other hands raised. 00:21:12
No hands raised. Great. OK, let's move on then to approval of the minutes. 00:21:14
We have the. 00:21:20
December EDC minutes. These were distributed in advance. They're included in the packet available for download on the EDC page of 00:21:21
the city website. Are there any questions on the minutes from the public? 00:21:27
How about from Commissioners? 00:21:37
Any issues? 00:21:40
Deal with OK Is there a motion to approve the Minutes? 00:21:41
I move Commissioner hoops. 00:21:47
Thank you. And 2nd I'll second Commissioner Markowitz. 00:21:50
Excellent. OK, so. 00:21:53
The motion. 00:21:57
Oh, no we don't, if this are we? 00:21:59
Vote could be a roll call vote. 00:22:01
Commissioner. 00:22:04
Hi, Commissioner Markowitz. 00:22:06
Vice Chair Jacobs. 00:22:11
Commissioner Venuti. 00:22:14
Commissioner Gibbs, yes. 00:22:17
Five Eyes, 0 nays, Motion passes. 00:22:20
Great. OK. Then let's move on to the regular agenda, the first item. 00:22:23
Item is number six, the EDC budget. 00:22:30
So the reference is Laurel O'halloran, who's away on holiday, can assume that we have a stand in. I will go ahead and give that 00:22:33
report. Excellent. OK, thank you. Yes, says. As you'll recall, during your last year meeting last month, the Commission asked if 00:22:40
it could receive a monthly update on what your budget is. 00:22:48
And. 00:22:57
In her absence, Laurel is out of town. She did supply. 00:22:59
The attachment that was distributed a bit early. 00:23:04
Earlier in in their report. It remains primarily the same as it was last month. 00:23:07
The EDC has a budget, as you know, of $39,900 for 2324. To date, $20,000 has been allocated. Those are to the two small business 00:23:15
grant programs. The remaining is 19,900. 00:23:24
The Facade program is also in existence. It has a budgeted amount of. 00:23:35
$25,000 for 2324 present time. There are three applications. 00:23:42
That are pending and each of those might be allocated up to a total of $5000 each. 00:23:50
So that's the brief report for this month and I'm available if you have any questions. 00:24:00
Thank you. 00:24:09
Yes. Robin, can you share with us how this budget came to be in terms of the total figure? 00:24:11
Yes, I can certainly try to. 00:24:20
And please recall this as part of our budget process and I believe it was allocated by the the City Council when they approved the 00:24:23
budget back at the beginning of the fiscal year. 00:24:30
As you know, the fiscal year goes from July 1st. 00:24:38
June June 30th. 00:24:43
And I should tell you that a couple of things about that. 00:24:47
The council will be conducting a mid year review sometime in February. That's their opportunity to make some adjustments to 00:24:52
existing budgeted budgets. 00:24:58
Will also be taking to the Council a budget schedule. 00:25:05
Probably at the meeting on the 17th that will outline what the steps are to approve a new budget and it's something that the 00:25:10
Commission. 00:25:15
UH, together with staff, should be paying attention to in order to get your request in to the Council early. 00:25:21
So do you know if last year you weren't here, nor was I, but maybe somebody else on staff? Do you know if the EDC made a 00:25:31
presentation to the City Council or the figure was simply assigned to us? 00:25:37
That I'm unaware of. 00:25:43
Chats. 00:25:46
As far as I know, there's no presentation to Council. 00:25:48
And I believe this historically this has just been under the city manager's budget, I mean approval limit. So it's it said that 00:25:51
numbers like 39,000. 00:25:55
If if you want to make a case for something higher, et cetera, I suggest starting, start working, have it as an agenda item, 00:26:01
discuss on it and and see what you want to do. Thank you. Thank you. 00:26:06
Can I check if there are any other comments or questions from Commissioners? 00:26:15
Yes, Miss, Commissioner Gibbs, Yeah, thank you for the report. And at the at our December meeting this did come up. 00:26:20
Councilmember. 00:26:26
Nor a you know, does he just. 00:26:28
If we have additional information about a budget, that we would require additional projects which may be coming up. 00:26:31
In the later in the. 00:26:39
With a small business recovery plan, there are some. 00:26:42
Dollars allocated for. 00:26:44
That to get it in. 00:26:47
And and for me. 00:26:49
I'm not sure there's a limit we should. 00:26:55
What we think we need and let the Council ask questions and adjust it. 00:26:57
And I also believe Bob that the. 00:27:02
The budget is, I usually call it, a zero based budget. In other words, if we don't. 00:27:05
This year it goes away. Is that correct? Yeah. So and I'm looking at the numbers. So we had 20,000 for the grant program. 00:27:10
And 25 for the facade program those appear. 00:27:19
Those. 00:27:23
Exceed 39,000, so I'm guessing they're two separate budgets. 00:27:24
OK. And so then the pending the three that are pending? 00:27:29
It it sort of says that we should approve those. 00:27:34
The budget. 00:27:38
Yeah. And then the, I think the mayor was here at the last meeting and he pointed out this podium over here that the budget 00:27:41
planning process begins in March. So we have this meeting and the next meeting to prepare an outline of what it is that we would 00:27:47
like to submit to the City Council. 00:27:53
And I also, I went back and looked at the video. 00:28:00
He did mention a $300,000 number. 00:28:03
Now that number was not just for the EDC were included in that number and I believe the Convention Bureau is in there and there's 00:28:07
a Monterey small business. 00:28:11
Committee gets $5000 or something like that. So we are competing with two other organizations for the City Council approval of. 00:28:16
Of economic development budget of $300,000 total. 00:28:24
And so we need to make a good case for that otherwise. 00:28:28
That money is going to go someplace else and not be under the purview of this Commission, which I think is in is in better touch 00:28:32
with what is needed among the business community here. So that's just my appeal, so. 00:28:38
That's it. 00:28:47
No do. 00:28:51
Do you think it would be advantageous for us to once again let another subcommittee that talks about budget? 00:28:53
Yeah. And then reports back in February. 00:29:00
Well, there's two ways to do this. I think we could have it as an agenda item and then we could have a discussion. 00:29:07
Here or we could have a subcom. 00:29:14
And. 00:29:17
I, you know those are really worthy things that are, you know the 300,000 like I'm really happy about where the money's going 00:29:20
personally. I think you know the, the amount of marketing that we get from the MCCVB or C Monterey is. 00:29:28
You know, really important for our town, but there's room for discussion and. 00:29:38
I yeah. 00:29:46
I, you know, affirmative to your question, can we have views from other members of the Commission? 00:29:49
Yeah. 00:29:58
You know the 39,000, whatever the this Commission's budget is, is something that we can then approve. 00:29:59
In Pocket and doesn't have to go anywhere else. I think that there is. I think the question then becomes like. 00:30:05
To council, which we could get at the next City Council meeting just or over e-mail or whatever of like how much discretionary 00:30:11
funding is in the council's budget That so if we want to do, let's say the summer concert series or whatever that we've been 00:30:16
talking about going to cost us $50,000 like. 00:30:22
Is there room to go to council throughout the year and propose a project and get funding for it, or is there do they not have? 00:30:27
Sort of a slush fund for to be used for special projects because I think like. 00:30:36
You know, our own budget is good for small things that cost you know between 1:00 and maybe five $10,000 that we can just sort of 00:30:42
rubber stamp and do some good things with and that's sort of what it's for and bigger projects like we have been discussing. 00:30:50
I think we can go to Council on a like per case basis, but if there's no money to ask for when we go to council. 00:30:58
Then there's no point in. 00:31:04
When leaning on that strategy. So we kind of need to know what councils discretionary budget is for economic development, if there 00:31:06
is any. 00:31:10
Because we can sort of plan. 00:31:15
Making use of that without having to. 00:31:18
Then have $60,000 leftover for this Commission and have to scramble to spend it in a month, You know, So that's the I don't want 00:31:21
to get us into a point because if we ask for more money and don't use it, we're never going to get it again. 00:31:25
So I think it's like we need to know all the pieces of the puzzle here. 00:31:31
Yeah, Commissioner Markowitz, you know, I, I absolutely agree that's important. And we're talking about this thing, all these 00:31:34
budgets that are going supposing. 00:31:39
Say four months. 00:31:43
An opportunity comes that we want to take a look at funding, that there might be something we want to. 00:31:45
A lot of this it almost as if we're going to be hamstrung, we. 00:31:51
As Mr. Hoops said, we need to know some further information before going there because all of a sudden it's like this. We have to 00:31:55
do this really soon, so it looks as if we have like a month or two to decide all our projects for the rest of the year without 00:32:00
having further information specific. 00:32:05
Yeah, Chaps, is there any insight to councils discretionary spending that might be thrown at this Commission or is that under lock 00:32:10
and key? 00:32:14
I think the fact that EDC has its own budget implies is again for say there's nothing out there like a general funds that's there. 00:32:21
But in general, since the EDC is already allocated a budget, that's the budget you're going to work with. There is nothing 00:32:27
separately that the council has for EDC that it has allocated. That's number one. Number two is the even though EDC has a budget 00:32:33
of under $40,000, as you may see there's a facade improvement program here which is allocated, which has its own allocated budget 00:32:39
of 25,000. 00:32:46
So this is where I think the EDC needs to focus on is like if you want a special project to use. 00:32:52
Fund, for example, say for $50,000. 00:32:57
Similar to how the Facade Improvement Project Fund has been put into place. 00:33:02
Think in those terms as to how much you want for the special projects fund itself. So that's one of the ways to approach it, but I 00:33:07
would say. 00:33:11
Knowing that there's only two months left and considering that special events. 00:33:16
In general, like there's a year long process for a special event to get into the calendar. 00:33:21
A safer bet would be 2025 at this point, but. 00:33:27
If it's if you're open to it and if you want to discuss outside of this meeting with me. 00:33:32
I can certainly. I'm open to suggestions and having a meeting there. 00:33:38
Yeah, thank you, Councilmember Padur. 00:33:42
So. 00:33:46
Yes, I don't think it's, I don't. 00:33:48
I don't think it's only events that we're talking about. We've got QR code project, there are other things. You know, I feel like 00:33:53
this Commission should have its own discretionary fund for things that come up. 00:33:58
Because special events, as you mentioned, take a year to get on the calendar, I recognize that. 00:34:03
But there are opportunities, for instance, the decimal thing. What if we were to subsidize that cost to restaurants to kind of 00:34:09
give downtown some life? 00:34:14
Yeah, no, I if when we get to the agenda item about the the action plan for stimulating our local economy, everything has a big 00:34:21
price tag on it. So it's it's a really it's not an abstract discussion it's really something that we need to deal with very 00:34:29
quickly So and we hope that the City Council sees it as a great investment of public money to support economic development in town 00:34:36
so. 00:34:44
We could put that on the agenda for next time and. 00:34:55
Maybe have? 00:35:00
Well, I have to think about it first how we do it, but it's certainly something that's worth looking at because literally 00:35:03
everything that we do has a budget, so. 00:35:07
But yeah. 00:35:12
Madam Chair, yes, just a couple of thoughts. 00:35:14
Number one. 00:35:19
I would direct you to the mid year review. That should be helpful. 00:35:21
That should be held the second meeting in in February. 00:35:26
And and the reason that that should be helpful is as as it is with the Council little review what the, what the status of the 00:35:31
budget is. 00:35:36
As of mid year, so you'd be able to see. 00:35:41
What that looks? 00:35:45
And umm. 00:35:47
Based on that, you may then be in a better position to. 00:35:49
Direct any kind of request to the city, but I. 00:35:55
I would suggest looking at that at the mid year. 00:35:59
Which, as I've said, will be the second meeting in February, right? Yep, that's coming up soon. So that's a good. 00:36:03
Good plan. Thank you. 00:36:10
City manager. 00:36:13
Any other questions, comments, Yes, Yeah. Just just to reiterate, I think I heard Councilmember Fedori sort of offer. 00:36:15
To sit down and chat about this. Is that correct? 00:36:24
Yeah, I'm happy to chat. Obviously, in terms of like Brown act and everything, we need to take that into consideration. But yes, 00:36:27
certain. 00:36:30
And Commissioner Venuti sort of said maybe we need to have a. 00:36:34
You know, subcommittee, maybe it's just more of an informal chat with the. 00:36:38
Kind of a thing between now and the next meeting, I think would We're running short. 00:36:42
Yeah, this report that. 00:36:47
That you've included in the Arada can never tell if I'm one has price tags on it and that can be a place to start. 00:36:51
Right. So maybe it's part of that discussion. 00:36:58
A painful selection process. What makes the grade? Yeah. Can I ask if there's any questions from the public or comments from the 00:37:03
public on this agenda item before we move on? We've got Inga Lorenzen, Dommer. 00:37:09
Thank you very much. Usually we have public comment kind of before. 00:37:18
Commissioner, discussion of it, but thank you very much. 00:37:23
My understanding of that $300,000 was there was a major. 00:37:28
Consolidation of all economic activities under. 00:37:34
This was done by City Council. 00:37:39
In. 00:37:42
That consolidated all the different economic activities under the one umbrella, the one fund. So it's not necessarily that you 00:37:44
have $300,000 to play with because it does go to the, you know, the Monterey Visitors and Convention Bureau where or whatever they 00:37:51
call themselves now. 00:37:57
But all of these things come under economic development, which was before it was just in all kinds of different funds and taken 00:38:06
out of, and the whole idea was to consolidate them in one place in the the Ledger, so to speak, so. 00:38:14
And those are very, very important because even if you see those as regional, Pacific Grove tried at one point in time to remove 00:38:24
themselves from. 00:38:30
The Convention and Visitors Bureau, the Monterey one, and we ended up with a big blank. 00:38:37
Blacked out area in their map that they hand out to tourists and it was terrible and we ended up. 00:38:45
Absolutely. 00:38:53
Large Fe. 00:38:56
And I would not even suggest that we remove ourselves again from that. 00:38:58
Anyway, and I am having a great deal of difficulty hearing our interim city manager. I'm sorry, but he's just he's soft spoken. 00:39:08
And that's nice, but he needs to speak into his mic, thank you very much. 00:39:18
Thank you. 00:39:26
So let us move on. 00:39:28
Agenda Item number seven, Maintenance of the PIC PG website. 00:39:32
So city. 00:39:37
Yes, Madam Chair, and as you'll recall. 00:39:40
Counts UH commissioner Richmond made several suggestions at the last meeting about how to correct that website and the IT people 00:39:47
have begun. 00:39:54
Making those changes, some of them you may already be able to see, but the work will probably not be complete. 00:40:01
Until the next meeting and then we'll have a more thorough report at that time. 00:40:10
Thank you so much. We will keep an eye on that and yeah, that's good to know. 00:40:16
Can I invite public comment? 00:40:22
Miss. 00:40:29
Thank you, City Manager. I can hear you now. I appreciate that. 00:40:32
Thank you. Can I ask if Commissioners have? 00:40:40
Any comments on this topic? 00:40:44
Yes, Commissioner Markowitz, my only comment is last time we supported Kelsey's Commissioner Richmond. 00:40:47
Ideas here. And I like the fact that it's continuing and I appreciate the city manager taking the time to let us know exactly 00:40:55
where it is and that the process is underway. Thank you. 00:41:00
Absolutely. Responsiveness is everything. Thank you so much. 00:41:07
So. 00:41:11
Yes, Commissioner, no, I just would like to ask the interim city manager. 00:41:15
So first a comment the. 00:41:23
I have asked a number of people and I ask it at the bid. 00:41:25
How many people are familiar with? 00:41:29
EG Website. 00:41:31
And significant number of business owners. 00:41:33
And others who are interested in doing business in the area don't know. 00:41:36
The PPG website, you don't see it on the city. 00:41:41
The General city website. So if you just go to. 00:41:47
City of Pacific Grove There's a massive website. 00:41:50
It there's a big button that says business. 00:41:52
Right. And and it's not. I looked all over. I spent an hour looking around. I couldn't find the link to. Maybe there is a link and 00:41:57
maybe there is a link. In fact, I was looking at it today to prepare for this meeting. It was. 00:42:05
And I'm not going to say that it wasn't maybe a little complicated to find, but but it was pretty straightforward. I was able to 00:42:14
do it. 00:42:19
And pretty easily, actually. 00:42:25
Yeah. So I guess what I'm saying is that. 00:42:29
The PG website, if I understand it right when it. 00:42:33
Accomplished originally under the HD. 00:42:37
Small Business Recovery Plan. It was on the original list of to do. 00:42:40
It was there to not necessarily support local businesses. 00:42:44
It was there to give people information who might be considering doing business, right in Pacific Grove. So there's a lot of raw 00:42:47
data. There's a lot of G, you know, geographic data. There's a lot of population data. There's a lot of income data. Perfect. 00:42:54
It's a little hard to navigate, but a couple things that. 00:43:01
That concern me a little bit. I'd like to. 00:43:06
And I don't know who's responsible for this. Maybe it's something that the small business. 00:43:08
Action committee can take up. 00:43:12
How do we let people? 00:43:15
That this is out there, is it part of the Monterey Convention or C Monterey? Do they? 00:43:17
Do they feature this on their website? Probably not. So most people don't know about it. And if I'm a new business and I'm looking 00:43:23
into business. 00:43:27
In San City seaside. 00:43:32
For Monterey, they have a website dedicated. 00:43:35
Finding out more about business now, you can do that here, it's just hard to find it. 00:43:39
Umm, so a couple of things and I would ask our interim city manager who is responsible, is it the IT group inside of? 00:43:44
City that's responsible for updating and keeping. 00:43:54
Up to date. 00:43:58
It certainly is a part of our job obligation under the city Manager's office and that's the Economic Development Commission. And 00:44:01
and you know there has been some staffing issues over the last six months. And so we're a little behind on some of those things. 00:44:11
But I appreciate the Commission bringing it to our attention and we're going to try and be more diligent about it. 00:44:21
So I I like Kelsey. I have a list of things. I'm not sure we want to take the time going over the entire. 00:44:32
List. But that's why I was asking who's responsible for that because. 00:44:41
HDL. 00:44:45
Feature prominently in the section having to do with business. 00:44:46
And answering questions about business licenses and the TOT. 00:44:50
Taxes and so it was a little bit confusing, but just for example. 00:44:55
The market analysis maps and the general maps that are on there mentioned last time are out of date, so they show the Monterey 00:45:00
Aquarium. 00:45:04
Closed. They show CSU and. 00:45:09
Closed and one of the maps that features Pacific. 00:45:12
Doesn't even show. 00:45:17
Monterey Bay A. 00:45:18
On the map, it's not located on the map at all. It is on some of the maps, but on the key ones. 00:45:20
It's not there. 00:45:26
And about 200 feet of the aquarium, if I recall, extends over into. 00:45:27
Pacific Growth, which they pay a small aluminum amount, but if the ATC is ever going to get developed. 00:45:31
The the how close it is to the aquarium and downtown businesses. It's just a short ride. We need to make that connection between 00:45:38
the aquarium. It is the biggest. 00:45:43
Attraction get are pretty much in. 00:45:49
So we need to make that that connection and I don't see it on the website. There are a number of profiles and business 00:45:51
directories, the business directory. 00:45:55
Is out of date. Grove Market isn't listed necessarily. BANA, which is a shop downtown, moved that's not been updated. 00:46:00
And there is a map of. 00:46:09
There's a separate map of restaurants. 00:46:12
And the restaurant map, when I look at it, shows restaurants and lighthouse, but they're in Monterey. 00:46:15
I didn't see any of the restaurants listed in because there's no little blue. 00:46:20
For that, for that chain of restaurants. So if I'm looking to do business and I'm looking open a restaurant, a restaurant and I 00:46:25
go, oh boy. 00:46:29
There's no competition. 00:46:33
Right. So we need to get those. I don't know if, I don't know if the businesses pay. 00:46:35
Some businesses were left out completely. 00:46:40
So if you're a business and and and wild fish is on it. 00:46:42
In one of the maps, I don't think you pay. I think you're just listed there, yeah, so that needs to be completely updated. 00:46:46
And and. 00:46:55
I won't go further. I've got a list and I can e-mail it to Laurel, but I think that the face of Pacific Grove business to the 00:46:58
outside world needs to be. 00:47:03
Update Informative and easy to find. And it's not. 00:47:08
I'm glad that somebody's working on it. And do you, Bob, do you expect to? 00:47:13
At the next meeting, yes. OK. Thank you. 00:47:18
Yeah, thank you, Commissioner Gibbs. 00:47:21
One point that I'd like to make is just that on my phone it's hard to find. On my laptop it just pops right out at you on the 00:47:24
landing page. So maybe optimizing for phones if everyone uses their phone a lot more than their laptop is, is 1 consideration. 00:47:30
That's a good point. 00:47:37
So yeah, OK. 00:47:44
And you know, maybe Realtors need to promote it. If you know commercial Realtors for people buying businesses. I don't know, OK? 00:47:46
Any other? 00:47:58
Seeing none, let's move on to Agenda item number 8, the QR Code Business Information Program update. 00:48:00
Commission. 00:48:08
Yes, thank you. 00:48:10
Not a ton of reports. The subcommittee did meet, oh boy, several months back. 00:48:12
Biggest issue on it is funding. 00:48:19
So I. 00:48:21
Apply the same way they do for the facade improvement program. We just have to tweak that application so it would be specific to 00:49:06
this program that would get us started at least on the initial group that we would have to schedule with the audio visual. 00:49:16
Group that Aaron is, is friends with. So when we went through that description with the AV people, that was the breakdown and the 00:49:25
money breakdown. Now we kind of have an idea of how we could structure it with the city if the EDC were to vote to use the funds 00:49:32
for that purpose. 00:49:39
Fairly simple, trying to keep it as simple as possible. 00:49:46
Yeah. The other thing about it was that going forward, I mean, obviously it's like a pretty good size investment given that we 00:49:52
just had the whole budgetary talk here briefly. 00:49:57
Fairly good sized investment but like that would be kind of like the initial launch that the the other idea that was discussed in 00:50:04
the subcommittee was like sort of creating some kind of funding bucket that then you know. 00:50:09
Bid Chamber, City Council, EDC, whoever could. 00:50:14
Like put money in a pot and then it still would work the same way as a match program with with the with the business. Cause the 00:50:19
the whole idea is to have one transaction with the the business and the city and not have to be like everybody billing each other 00:50:25
back and forth for you know. 00:50:30
AD nauseam. So that's kind of the idea of, you know, phase two of the project after you get kind of the initial launch. So that's 00:50:35
where we're at with it. 00:50:39
Yeah. Thank you. 00:50:45
And I ask if we have public comment. 00:50:47
It's like not. 00:50:53
No hands raised. 00:50:59
May I then ask if commissioners have any questions or comments? Yeah. Commissioner Venuti, I think because I'm new to the the 00:51:01
group less than a year, I don't know what this project is all about. 00:51:06
This project was Prop. 00:51:14
I don't know, a few months over the summer, I think. Sometimes I remember that, but I still don't understand how it works. The 00:51:17
project then would. 00:51:21
Production of. 00:51:26
A commercial, for lack of a better term for for a business or point of interest or whatever that then would sign up for the 00:51:30
program to get their. 00:51:34
Spot produced I. 00:51:40
That content that's created. 00:51:43
Would then be. 00:51:45
Usage for the business, of course, and. 00:51:46
Ownership is a weird word, but like you know, they can use it on their website, whatever. Social media city would also use it on 00:51:49
the PG website, and then it would also be QR codes physically attached to facades of buildings at business point. 00:51:56
So as people are strolling through town. 00:52:04
And you know, if a business happens to be closed or they just want more information or whatever, is then to be able to get 00:52:07
information and go directly to this video of the business owner or whatever talking about who they are and what they do. 00:52:14
And it the whole point is that it then? 00:52:21
Everything is sort of a closed system so that they don't have to go to Yelp or Google and get things that are outside of our town. 00:52:23
It will only point to. 00:52:28
The business that they're in front of and then if there's other listings on the PG website, they're all Pacific Rope businesses. 00:52:33
So we don't lose someone that's looking for a seafood restaurant to a restaurant in Monterey, we keep them here and that's like, 00:52:38
so it's not only for physical foot traffic but also. 00:52:43
Digital, like we have the restaurant map that we were just discussing would kind of tie into that and then people then here could 00:52:48
discover other businesses and learn a pretty in-depth thing about them and you know. 00:52:54
45 seconds and you know have sort of a. 00:53:00
Thing So. 00:53:04
Obviously we. 00:53:07
You know, to produce these things, but then it's also like there is the thing we've discussed in the past is sort of the entry 00:53:09
capacity of like if there's two of them in the downtown area, they're going to get totally ignored, but if there's 10 or 15. 00:53:15
It become it gains its own momentum. 00:53:21
That's kind of why it's sort of a big number. 00:53:24
To start. 00:53:27
Thank you for that. And is it limited to retail and restaurants? No, that's sort of the beauty of it. Is that like you know, if 00:53:28
the museum board decided that they wanted to do? 00:53:34
To fund a video for the Natural History Museum, you can literally make a video about anything. Bookstores, restaurants, points of 00:53:39
interest, trail heads. I mean, you could do. 00:53:45
Literally anything. It's about describing. 00:53:52
Talking about whatever your point of interest, it is so. 00:53:55
The real idea is that we get lost in restaurants here a lot, and we get lost on Lighthouse Avenue a lot. And this applies to 00:53:59
anywhere in town, any point of interest, any type of business. Art galleries, bookstores, coffee shops. 00:54:05
Museums, the historic post office, whatever it is. I mean, there you could slap a little QR code somewhere and have a thing about 00:54:13
it. It's just like, who wants to fund it like in this? 00:54:18
First entrance. It makes sense. 00:54:24
Target restaurants because. 00:54:27
You know, return on investment quickly. But there's no reason why a bookstore in our gallery couldn't be in the first group of 00:54:31
people either, I mean. 00:54:35
Ideally you would want them clustered, so it's sort of like. 00:54:39
We can get ten kind of in a couple block radius here on Lighthouse. That makes sense, but. 00:54:43
If it's, you know, we end up with these at Lovers Point, that's great too. So, OK, thank you. Yeah, I I did have one addition to 00:54:48
that and that is. 00:54:52
You do want to have. You would ideally want a brick and mortar, something physical, because if you were to attach the QR code, 00:54:57
that's kind of the the point. And there was a discussion about potentially making them in the shape of a butterfly, which would be 00:55:02
great for PG. 00:55:06
Thank you. 00:55:13
My if I can invite myself to comment again. 00:55:15
It's a kind of technology that's popular, that's just exploding everywhere that, you know, the more. 00:55:21
I travel, and people I know travel. 00:55:29
They're using QR codes everywhere, so we're not at the point of like oversaturation of them yet. Like you know, five QR codes on 00:55:33
every building or something. It's it's just new. So I really hope that we can get on this trend and exploit it while it's still a 00:55:40
hot thing that is is useful. And if money is a problem, there is a thought that maybe. 00:55:48
The Pick PG website can be a landing place for for something like from the QR code. Just, you know to say like you know. Here's 00:55:57
some static images of this business and a little blurb. 00:56:02
And then using the like the facade improvement style structure for funding to, you know upgrade those to proper videos maybe. And 00:56:08
this is, I mean this is like that's a great point but it's also kind of. 00:56:15
Secondary to a budget allocation, right? So it's like we we need to decide whether this is a worthy project to allocate a chunk of 00:56:24
money to, whether that chunk of money produces 10 videos to start of, you know, at 2 grand to pop and we do that. That's great. 00:56:32
If you know, if it's still a cost share of a percentage to the business for whatever they want and they're just saying, well, you 00:56:39
know, I just like to be featured, but I don't think I need to do a thing. 00:56:44
And we do some kind of production for them that only costs $400.00 and it costs the business, you know, 40-50 dollars. 00:56:49
That's fine. It's still coming out of that. I mean, it's stretching the dollar actually, which is good, you know, so I mean. 00:56:56
There's a cost benefit ratio to momentum, but there also has to be a there there, You know, like it can't just be we put pictures 00:57:02
of a website or you put pictures up on a pic PG website. It's like, OK, who cares so. 00:57:08
I do like the video idea, but I also think that like, yeah, maybe like a Tier 2 entry of like you know, be featured on the map and 00:57:14
have some photos type of thing can kind of stretch the dollar and have a lower entry point for the business. But I think you know, 00:57:20
10/15/20 percent cost share, whatever makes sense is is like pretty generous honestly for the type of advertising that it is. 00:57:27
Yes, Commissioner Marco, it's. 00:57:34
I really like this idea from the ground up because it's going to let people see what's there. 00:57:37
And I'll give you an example of what I did. We went out on Christmas Day. We were looking for a place to go locally to eat, and I 00:57:42
wanted to find out what restaurants are open serving Christmas dinner. 00:57:47
I went to Yelp. 00:57:53
And it was so damn confusing. I clicked on residents. No information. You click. Well this is open. Is it Christmas Day? Click 00:57:54
under Christmas. It took me like 1/2 an hour to find out. 00:58:00
Maxis was open, which we've gone before, which is great, but the the idea about this is great because people. 00:58:05
You're not stuck looking at Yelp. You're you're actually being able to go out in Pacific Grove, explore the downtown and the 00:58:12
restaurants, and choose for yourself. It takes. 00:58:17
Something out there and brings it to us for a direct benefit for the city. I I just really like the way this program is going. 00:58:22
Thank you. And as as these would be you know sort of completed and posted on our website there, there should be then some kind of 00:58:29
link back to the businesses website and then they could update, hey we're open on Christmas or whatever. So it is like a nice. 00:58:37
First step to kind of find the information that you want, but it's like we don't need to constantly be telling what who's open 00:58:44
when, but it's like it is a way to kind of point directly to our towns businesses or points of interest or whatever. 00:58:51
Any other? 00:59:00
I did just have one comment, David. We do, the chamber does do Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Year as we do call around. So we do 00:59:01
have a list. If you ever need a list, please give us a call. 00:59:07
And we actually, we actually make copies of them and put them outside when we're closed as well. For any visitors, yeah, no 00:59:14
problem. 00:59:17
Yeah, and I think wild fish was open on Christmas. 00:59:22
We were every year, OK, so next year, you know, here for the community. 00:59:27
The weird thing. 00:59:34
Yammer was opened and I'm looking for dinner. I didn't know. And with something like this, as a resident of Pacific Grove, I would 00:59:37
know. 00:59:41
I think that's the bottom line. 00:59:46
How would you know unless you're in front of the restaurant, you're touching QR code. 00:59:49
How would you know? 00:59:54
So, so it would definitely be a section of the PG pick PG website. They're also. 00:59:55
This is kind of the beauty of it is because it's digital content, like you can host it to a bunch of different places. So there's 01:00:01
also the idea that like once you have this series of QR codes, like, yes, there's a plaque on the building, but also. 01:00:06
These can go into just like a list and a trifold that's at the chamber or in a hotel lobby or whatever. And so it's like. 01:00:12
You could bookmark that thing at your house and then look at it at your leisure whenever you wanted to. Or you could be walking 01:00:20
downtown and get the information. Or you could be a visitor that's at the chamber or in your hotel lobby and have a pamphlet that 01:00:25
has all the same links. And it's like. 01:00:30
There's no limit to how we apply all of this. It's not like I want a radio ad that runs three times between these two hours, like 01:00:35
it's like. 01:00:38
This could be hosted 100 different places or one place or 100 places that all point to the same place and that's kind of the 01:00:42
beauty of it, so. 01:00:46
There's a lot of broad application to it. 01:00:50
So you know, I've always thought it's a great idea. 01:00:53
The execution is, you know, obviously. 01:00:57
To this and. 01:01:01
I have no idea how much work this takes, but I have a couple questions. 01:01:03
So if I'm a business here in Pacific Grove, let's say I'm a restaurant and I have BBQ. It doesn't really matter. But let's say 01:01:08
it's Texas barbecue and you come, you come to me. 01:01:14
With this idea, and I'm super. I don't know too much about technology, but sounds. 01:01:21
But I'm looking at my budget and 1st question. 01:01:26
I want to do a video. I have to put it up someplace. How much is it going to cost? 01:01:30
If I'm a regular business, if you ballpark it, obviously the more businesses you sign up. 01:01:35
You know, you get a lot of scale. 01:01:41
But what could I expect? 01:01:43
Well, we we were doing that. That's why I said the numbers earlier. If we asked for 20,000, a 10% match would be. 01:01:45
$200, That's what we were looking for. A dollar amount that didn't seem like it would be overly expensive for a small business to 01:01:55
participate in. It would be a 10% match, OK, if it was 20,000. 01:02:01
You know it that that was matching what they could do, the video production people, the dollar amounts they were giving for each 01:02:08
video. That was the breakdown that we came to. 01:02:13
It's good to have that information. Thank you. Second question is, have you talked? 01:02:20
You know, not that we need to do a survey, but, you know, we'll kind of walk around town. 01:02:25
Have you talked to and run this idea? 01:02:30
Businesses and see what? 01:02:33
Yeah, and I mean, I'm Jenny might have talked to more people about it, but the feedback I've gotten is like, yeah, I love it. It's 01:02:36
a great idea. I can put it on my social media, I can put it on my website, this and that. I'm worried about the cost. So I think 01:02:42
like, you know, it's been a very nebulous, so well, we can do this or that or might be around here, but like I think this. 01:02:48
Like we just got you know talk from the city about this is sort of way we could run it and this is sort of the way you know the 01:02:55
cost sharing percentage. So now there's a real dollar that's like very much closer than just sort of ballpark figures to actually 01:03:02
give to businesses and and much lower than what I was talking to people about. And they were like, I mean there was people that 01:03:08
were kind of like, yeah, it's good, I don't know you know it's sort of but like. 01:03:15
To come in at half of what I was telling people like I think it's like there would be a lot of interest for sure. I agree with 01:03:22
you. I think currency was the one that gave us the most feedback on the cost because she is a small business in town and she, she 01:03:28
was the one that was balking at the higher cost. And so then we were trying to figure out what would be that, yeah, what would be 01:03:33
that cost that they might be able to participate with. 01:03:38
Yeah, you know, so in in any program like this you have kind of a launch. 01:03:44
Somebody who's a big name who's going to sign on early on. 01:03:50
And you know, it's one of those businesses in town. Oh well, if they're going to do it. 01:03:54
I better get on board. 01:03:59
And so it would seem like it may be some talk about. 01:04:01
You know what business that would be, whether it's a restaurant or a shop or grow market is very well known as a local business 01:04:04
and loved. So getting one person in every category might be. 01:04:10
You know a good way to. 01:04:16
And and the other thing, and I didn't see it, it was probably on here, but I really. 01:04:18
The fact that you would include histor. 01:04:23
Things nonprofits, you know, put a put a plaque. There's so much history here in Pacific Grove. You know John Steinbeck bought 01:04:26
his. 01:04:30
Pencils at the home and building. You have a plaque on the side and there's a huge Steinbeck. 01:04:35
Group in the world and it would bring people in just to look at that and then they go, oh, we need to eat across the street over 01:04:41
at Wild Fish or Victorian Corner. So I like that aspect of it and maybe Commissioner Jacobs, the arts. 01:04:48
I don't know how that fits in there, but that obviously would be a candidate for something like this. So that is in fact I think 01:04:56
the next meeting you'll you'll see that it's been you know started and it's. 01:05:02
Doing. Yeah. Yeah. It's good. I love it. Let's do it. 01:05:09
Good. OK. Any other comments? 01:05:14
I would actually can we can we agree that we want to put this on our next agenda for potential budget allocation. 01:05:17
Yes. 01:05:29
Just show of hands or do you want to roll call vote? 01:05:32
Think roll roll call vote would be necessary. 01:05:36
So we need to make a motion. 01:05:39
The whole thing. 01:05:41
I move that we take this information, bring it back at our next meeting, sit down and determine. 01:05:47
Financial considerations. 01:05:55
I'll second Commissioner Ho. 01:05:59
OK, can we have a? 01:06:01
Commissioner Commissioner Markowitz. 01:06:04
Commissioner Hoops, aye. 01:06:08
Vice Chair Jacobs. 01:06:10
Commissioner Venuti. 01:06:13
Commissioner Gibbs, just, just to be clear, sorry about the. 01:06:16
What the motion is, we're going to bring it back with a cost number and we're going to vote on it. Is that correct? Yeah. So it 01:06:21
would be to bring it back on this agenda item next meeting, February meeting and and allocate funds to it. OK, good. Thank you. 01:06:26
Yes. 01:06:30
We have Five Eyes, 0 nays, motion passes to bring the item back to the next meeting. 01:06:37
Excellent. Thank you so much. 01:06:42
So our last agenda item for the day is. 01:06:44
Agenda Item 9. The Small Business Recovery Action Plan Subcommittee Update. 01:06:50
We have two members here from the subcommittee. 01:06:55
Nominated as the person to present. 01:06:58
And I want to say the. 01:07:01
We met twice, or 3 * 2 times and. 01:07:04
Had a you know, a lot of brainstorming, a lot of you know. 01:07:10
Expanding out of ideas and then kind of brought things back again. So what you see here is something that we all agreed on as. 01:07:14
The the essence of of it. So I'm just gonna talk you through. 01:07:24
This and. 01:07:30
Let you see those price tags on this and this is relevant to our previous discussion of budget and our next week's discussion of. 01:07:32
What we want to spend money on and we our intention here is to go to the council and ask for council money. So these, whilst these 01:07:42
are projects that we support and it's been done under the umbrella of the EDC and it's we're not expecting that we use our budget 01:07:47
for these items. 01:07:53
And yeah, should I present it first and then have public comment? 01:08:02
Yeah. OK, so. 01:08:07
This action item number one. 01:08:11
Wait, can I just say one more thing before I start? The context is really important. 01:08:14
HDL pointed out that the economy is having a big downturn right now. And anecdotally, if you want to talk to any business in town, 01:08:20
I mean you'll hear some, you know, stories about, yeah, we're tightening our belt, we're reducing costs, we're doing, you may have 01:08:25
noticed things yourself, I don't know, but that is really. 01:08:31
Why this exists? And it's a shame that it's taking so long because. 01:08:38
When Barry Foster presented the original version of this, it was to implement last spring when he figured the the the hurt was 01:08:43
going to start for the, you know, local businesses and. 01:08:49
So we really do want to get this out quickly. You know, the economy is still what it is. It's still relevant for small businesses, 01:08:56
so. 01:09:01
Having said that, these are just things. 01:09:07
Boost our local economy. So one we discussed before it was have a full time EDC member of staff for grant writing and liaising 01:09:10
with business interest groups. So we're looking at we ballparked 80,000 for this and the consultant. 01:09:20
Bring in grant money. 01:09:29
Pay for that position. You know, it would be an investment that would bring in a lot more money and there's a lot of funding 01:09:32
opportunities that we're not going for. And you know, it would be. 01:09:38
It would be a very sustainable investment, something that would keep giving back to the community. 01:09:45
The launch #2 launch a shop local voucher program and that is. 01:09:52
Because the Chamber had a very successful. 01:10:01
Voucher program. 01:10:06
They initiated during the. 01:10:08
Pandemic. And it was, you know, $10 voucher. You could cut it out of the newspaper, bring it to a local business and then they 01:10:11
would redeem those at the chamber. So we were looking at like approximately 100 businesses. What is an amount of money that makes 01:10:18
a difference to a business? Probably $1000 would. So that's why there's such a big price tag of $100,000 there. 01:10:26
You know, it's asking for something big. 01:10:34
It it may not be possible, but it was something that. 01:10:39
It it had great feedback, it can be kind of deemed to have worked at that time. 01:10:45
The monthly EDC business spotlight was also something during the pandemic that was useful for the EDC and useful for small 01:10:55
businesses. It's something that we would like to bring back. 01:11:00
The PG website page, we all are on that same page that we agree that that's valuable and. 01:11:08
It's maintaining and it's happening. 01:11:18
#5 01:11:21
Move EDC action budget to. 01:11:23
To the Council budget. 01:11:29
Well, this if I remember correctly this. 01:11:33
Asking for more budget. 01:11:38
This actually is not something I'm recalling very much. 01:11:39
From our discussion, yeah, I just as I remember, it's just making reminding ourselves. 01:11:43
That we have to put together a budget. Yeah. So, OK, City Council. 01:11:48
All right. So it's it's yeah, more obvious than I thought. OK, the we had been having. 01:11:52
Quarterly broker lunches and. 01:11:59
That I don't know if everyone is familiar with that, but the people who are actually spending the money on developing PG. 01:12:04
Developers. 01:12:12
You know, people that own property, people that are buying property, people that are developing property. And so it was just an 01:12:14
informal luncheon and some restaurant in town and. 01:12:19
The members of the council, some members, you know, could talk to these people and say what do you need? And people from the EDC 01:12:25
could be there and say, hey, we're interested to know like what's your vision, what you know. And so that would just be an 01:12:30
opportunity for some communication in the hope that, you know, it would be mutually reinforcing and positive for development in 01:12:36
town. 01:12:42
So continuing that. 01:12:48
Then #7 is the business visit program. This is just a relationship builder between the EDC and local businesses. 01:12:53
Eight create a restaurant event series. 01:13:07
So. 01:13:11
This is you know to be decided by the stakeholders what would be relevant, but the HDL said have concert series, they're a great 01:13:14
way of promoting, you know businesses. 01:13:19
We're looking at different alternatives because we have a concert series which is separate to this, so. 01:13:26
So something like Regional Food Week or Sustainable Seafood Week or something like that. Just say a restaurant program where 01:13:33
people could. 01:13:37
Be reminded that local restaurants. 01:13:41
You know are there and doing specials and it would be a good time to go and visit one. 01:13:45
The Parkland program is something that probably should be on the agenda pretty soon because there have been things going on in the 01:13:51
background on that and we could do with an update. 01:13:56
The. 01:14:03
The EDC supports the parfits and. 01:14:05
It is something which is giving vitality to downtown. 01:14:08
And getting positive feedback from visitors and from local people. 01:14:12
#10 Continuing the storefront Parkfit facade, because we all are on that page as well. OK, so creating a music event series, this 01:14:18
is the one that Kelsey spoke about last time. Super exciting. A lot of really, really good ideas and they're designing it in a way 01:14:26
that is going to support local businesses. That's really important, like that's the focus of their. 01:14:33
Creation of this concert series. 01:14:42
Umm #12 is Explore Vacant Storefront Activation program and that's something that's been talked about a lot. It's not gone 01:14:45
anywhere. And so it's just saying, you know, let's return to see if we can. 01:14:52
Get some results. 01:15:00
And the 13 is design new shop Pacific Grove pole banners. These these have been proven to work in towns where they say shop local, 01:15:02
stay local, eat local, whatever. It does actually have an uptick in local spending. So that being the case Kelsey was talking to 01:15:12
local artist Maria Schottler who has her studio over at Passionfish and then that block and she. 01:15:23
Made the shop local guide and said does everyone know that one? It's a threefold glossy. Beautifully done really. 01:15:34
Beautifully curated hand, lettered and everything. 01:15:41
Brochure that is, you know, has been distributed and businesses participating. That said that it's, you know, really been a great 01:15:46
thing. Anyway, she is willing to do it for a friendly price. You know, we Kelsey has spoken to her I think $1000 or something for 01:15:51
designing some really. 01:15:56
Cool PG banners. 01:16:01
And four. 01:16:05
The Monterey Trolley to Downtown PG. These are not listed in order of importance, OK. This one would be quite top of the list. 01:16:09
It's something that we all think is great. It's a huge cost and organization and you know there's been so much discussion of this 01:16:17
over the years and and lots of reasons why it's not happened and it's worth just being tenacious and determined and trying to make 01:16:24
it happen. Last of all capital improvement projects for Downtown PG. 01:16:32
This is this was. 01:16:39
Not really in our original. 01:16:41
List from HDL however it's. 01:16:43
Something, you know, goes without saying that the more beautification that we have downtown, the more. 01:16:48
Attractive it is, the more it's a pleasant place to walk to shop, to meet and so on and so. 01:16:54
Commissioner Gibbs has done quite a lot of. 01:17:03
Background work on proposing a beautiful plan for that and. 01:17:06
You know it's it's something which is not like directly related to this. 01:17:11
Context of downturn in economy and right now we need to do something to help, but it is a long term thing which it makes you know. 01:17:15
Imminent sense. So that is in a nutshell what we've come up with. You'll notice that the difference between this and what HDL. 01:17:23
Said was that that was more you know they work with 40 different cities and. 01:17:33
It was more generic. This is really we just fine-tuned it to our community that we know businesses that we know needs that we know 01:17:40
of. And so I would like to say that you know what this is what you're seeing is a fine tuning of that that. 01:17:46
Report. 01:17:54
And. 01:17:56
I would like to ask Commissioner Gibbs, if I've presented this fairly, if there's anything I missed, if something needs to be 01:17:57
improved upon. 01:18:01
No, you know. 01:18:07
I think it's fairly comprehensive, as Mr. Jacobs said, that it sort of modifies what was already there from HDL. It localizes it. 01:18:09
It really thinks through. 01:18:14
You know what's what's more important and as Commissioner Jacob said, where we can make an impact 1st and fastest. 01:18:21
And so I would only add just a couple of things. I think Councilmember Colletti was online. I would just point out that the 01:18:29
trolley is expensive. 01:18:34
But there was a general pretty good group consensus to this. But what I would add is that there is an. 01:18:41
The city has a admissions. 01:18:48
Right. To reduce carbon emissions and I think one of the the aspects of the trolley is that it reduces people jumping in their 01:18:52
cars, driving from the aquarium downtown And so there is an added benefit to, you know, to to this particular. 01:19:00
Action item and the only things I would say is that. 01:19:09
We did visit. 01:19:14
Several other cities king. 01:19:16
Is a city about our size in Monterey County a little different Demograph. 01:19:18
And they're. 01:19:23
You know, they're down in the valley. It's an agricultural city if you've ever been there. 01:19:24
They are completely redoing their downtown if you haven't been through. 01:19:28
They are. They're building new facades. They've got a new Plaza. They're spending. 01:19:33
Probably half $1,000,000 of Federal. 01:19:38
To redo downtown, so the. 01:19:42
Is really? 01:19:45
Whether we have a full time EDC member or not. 01:19:47
And all of these cities had a consultant, and they had a recommendation of who we could go to. But the consultant deal was they 01:19:49
pay for themselves. 01:19:53
Right. They get a cut of the money they bring in. So there's not, you know, 80 or 100,000. I don't know what the cost is going to 01:19:58
be, but there's other people who have done that. The other thing I would mention, Commissioner Jacobs, is that there are a couple 01:20:02
of. 01:20:07
I don't know what the best word is, design standards, but but coming up with some. 01:20:12
Not requirements but suggestions and these other. 01:20:18
They got together with the local community, the local churches, the local businesses, and they said, you know, what do we want our 01:20:22
city to look like going into the future? What kind of colors would be featured? Do we have a theme? 01:20:28
What kind of designs do we want on storefronts and facades? 01:20:35
And so that's out there and we did, we talked to several of these the leading if you would like to visit it city. 01:20:39
Is another agricultural city. 01:20:47
In the valley and a city called Kingsburg. Not Kings City, but Kingsburg. Kingsburg is about the same size as Pacific Grove. 01:20:50
Councilmember Smith happens to be from Kingsburg, grew up there and they have done a magnificent job of redoing their downtown 01:20:59
sidewalks. Everything matches. There's no routes coming up through the sidewalks. It's safe, it's clear. But the thing you'll 01:21:06
notice and what we didn't really focus on it here, but the last thing I would add is what we do. We should do some things that are 01:21:12
low hanging fruit, easy to do, big impact or visible. 01:21:19
And that could be, you know, colors on the corners. 01:21:25
And they're mentioned in here, but the other thing is, and I almost hesitate to bring it up because it's not a separate item, but 01:21:28
at some point we should look at signage. 01:21:33
In the town, we have some really cool signage. Everything is themed. It's got a color. We feature the butterflies. 01:21:38
But if you come in on a lighthouse out of Monterey, there's a big, huge Pacific Grove sign and it just says welcome to Pacific 01:21:45
Grove. 01:21:48
Well, there's a shrub in front of it and you can't read the darn thing. 01:21:52
Right, so most signage needs to be ergonom. 01:21:56
Which means it has to be at a certain eye level when you when you drive into town, a lot of our signage is too low. You can't see 01:21:59
it, It's faded out. 01:22:03
And and the other thing that these cities do, they have big signs that say historic downtown, this direction, restaurants down 01:22:07
here, your, you know, your fabulous museum or lighthouse are over there and when you come into the PG from all these different 01:22:12
directions, there is not. 01:22:17
Consistent silence because people excited. 01:22:22
You know about what the where to go and what to visit. So to me that's the only thing I would add. It's a small thing and I don't. 01:22:26
Jenny, I would ask is the Chamber responsible for some assignage or how do those decisions get made? 01:22:32
Actually, we worked with the EDC the last time that the big that the all the green signs, the directional signage was through the 01:22:41
city. 01:22:45
But we worked with them and I actually know who made all of those signs. I believe ordinances would tell you what height and what 01:22:51
size they can be. So that's you're going to look at the code for that. But yes, I have also noticed that a lot of the landscaping 01:22:57
around. 01:23:04
A lot of the signage has gotten really pretty bad. Some of that is rain and whatnot, but it has. It is definitely covering a lot 01:23:11
of the signage that we have right now. 01:23:16
Yes. And just so, you know, like last, but it was August, Jenny and I sat down and we came up with a thing that the chamber was 01:23:23
going to do. 01:23:27
There was a budget that we brought and we brought to this. 01:23:32
And it went away and nobody acted on it. Because you're absolutely right, we were talking about, especially on the wreck trail 01:23:35
where people were coming. 01:23:39
Hey, where's the sign telling people where downtown is? And we had we had already discussed that. I don't know how it felt through 01:23:43
the cracks, but that is definitely something I'd like to see. 01:23:47
Copy of that that you can make available. 01:23:53
Yeah. 01:23:56
So I'd say one more thing. Yeah, you know what, we are moving into commissioner comments and we should check public comments. If 01:23:59
so, just point of order and may I invite public. 01:24:04
Miss Dom. 01:24:13
Thank you very much, Chair, and thank you for the presentation. I really appreciate. 01:24:15
You refining. 01:24:22
HDLS generic. 01:24:24
Uh, self ser. 01:24:28
Truly with what they wanted and making this more Pacific Grove. 01:24:30
I I truly appreciate that work of the sub. 01:24:37
And I appreciate the signage bit because that does go through City Council and those and the Planning Commission. 01:24:41
And yes, when you get into that. 01:24:49
Pretty much around the corner from the entrance. 01:24:53
Commissioner Gibbs. 01:24:58
Talking about that, welcome to Pacific Grove and Early and Central. And let me clue you that whole beautification project that 01:25:00
they put in there and one of the parklets there and Oh my God, trying to get around the corner from my house, I have no 01:25:07
visibility. It is one of the most terrible intersections. 01:25:15
But of course, Traffic and Safety Commission knows that too. And you know that I've been around here for 70 odd years, so um. 01:25:23
I appreciate. 01:25:32
Because. 01:25:34
I'm sorry, Public Works does not. Take care. 01:25:36
What they initiated is beautification projects. 01:25:40
While a previous administration. 01:25:45
That whole. 01:25:48
Beginning corridor. There is a true mess. 01:25:52
As far as. 01:25:57
In your presentation. 01:25:59
The having a full time EDC, full staff member, I think you're a little out of line on that. 01:26:02
I really do. That's a pretty large cost. And yes, it seems that we need a good grant writer for. 01:26:09
Seeing if there are other available funds for the economic development. 01:26:19
And as far as the launching shop local, it was a wonderful thing the Chamber did. 01:26:25
With the $10 vouchers back in the day. And no, it's a whole lot different than HDL's YIMBY thing and they're outdated. 01:26:32
Oh, their metrics really are outdated, aren't they? 01:26:44
And the $100,000 *** is pie in the sky, in my opinion. 01:26:47
Stick. Stick to something small and build up. 01:26:56
But that is that. 01:27:00
Not going to happen in my mind. 01:27:04
But I really appreciate you doing all this work to. 01:27:07
Refine and make Pacific Row. 01:27:13
Incorporate that into this. 01:27:18
Thank you. 01:27:21
Yeah, Thank you for. 01:27:24
Can I open the? 01:27:28
Discussion to Commissioner comments, yes. 01:27:32
First of all, I appreciate all the work that's done. There's some really interesting information here. 01:27:36
But one thing I've noticed and Mike said this and people you've talked all these businesses going around. 01:27:41
I've talked to. 01:27:46
And residents want many. 01:27:48
This is on what residents want to know. What happened to our banks? Why is there being? 01:27:51
Update on Bank of America and Chase downtown. 01:27:58
Nothing. Why is there a vacancy, A vacant lot right up the street, Williston pine that has a sign up for lease that's been up 01:28:01
there for 29 damn years and nobody's done anything? 01:28:07
I talked, right? I was talking to a neighbor of mine yesterday. We were walking down the street, he said. You know what? I really 01:28:14
feel like I like to have some Chinese food. 01:28:17
Guess what? You can't get in. There are all these little things that residents want and everything here. 01:28:21
Business Spotlight. Business. Business, business, business, business. Yeah, there's a lot of businesses and there's a lot of 01:28:27
cities that do that. 01:28:31
Of all people here, you guys have been, I'm retired. I want to know what this city you know, we pay taxes in the city. We'd like 01:28:35
to know what the city can do for residents. And it would really be nice if this committee or somebody will talk to normal 01:28:41
residents and say, hey, I'm not the business community, I'm Joe Schmidt on the street and say, what do you want to see in 01:28:46
Christopher Chrome And I think. 01:28:52
This is a great effort, but I think I would like. 01:28:58
Which done that as well and gotten a little bitty input from the man on the street, residents in Pacific Pro. 01:29:01
Thank you. Yeah. Can I comment on that? So it's the context for this was the downturn in the economy and supporting businesses. So 01:29:09
that's that's the answer to your question there. 01:29:14
We are very, very. 01:29:21
What is the word engaged with the? 01:29:24
Interests of residents, it just wasn't this particular project. But I would love to see in fact if we do this strategic thing, the 01:29:28
plan which is, you know, that is a big part of it, is a huge part, is engaging with local people. So because of my way of 01:29:34
thinking. 01:29:39
Our business commun. 01:29:46
Depends on people buying new products and we got 15,000 people here in Pacific Grove would like to shop locally and. 01:29:48
And I think movement that should be heard with the strategic session, that would be fine, but I think that's really important. 01:29:56
OK. Thank you. Perfect. No, I mean I I think I've mentioned this before, but when I speak to other business owners and this is 01:30:01
like from Pebble Beach where they say they're like operating at 50% of last year in our own businesses, 55% of last year. And my 01:30:07
neighbors on this trip are all pretty much saying the exact same thing those are that's a huge downturn. So it's just it's really 01:30:13
about. 01:30:19
I don't know. I remember during the pandemic people said, hey, we want to come and support your business because we don't want to 01:30:26
live in a town without businesses. So it's kind of at that. 01:30:30
You know, that's the sort of thing. 01:30:34
Yeah. 01:30:37
Anyway, any? Yeah, of course. 01:30:38
Commissioner, comments, questions, Yes, yeah, I think. 01:30:41
#12 explorer Vacant Storefronts, which comes up a lot. And I mean this is always something that like. 01:30:46
We point to when it's like, Oh well, there's all these vacant things, you know, I think that like. 01:30:52
I mean, number one thing we've talked about many times is that like this Commission does not open businesses in Pacific Grove, 01:30:59
like we can't force anybody to open a business here. 01:31:03
Secondly. 01:31:07
I think a lot of this, a lot of in that regard of a lot of things like, you know, with this, like with the big hotel that's 01:31:09
opening right here in the middle of downtown. 01:31:14
Kind of gonna organically fix some of these problems, like if I'm looking to open a restaurant somewhere in the Monterey Peninsula 01:31:19
and I see 100 and 510 room hotel go being built. 01:31:24
Like I would want to open a restaurant now and get established so that when that's ready next summer or whatever like. 01:31:29
You know, there's business happening. So I think some of this stuff is going to kind of. 01:31:36
Sort itself out. I mean I think that hotel being built there is going to be a huge factor that we need to consider as a Commission 01:31:42
to. 01:31:45
The new sort of vibe of the way the downtown is going to be and how much more like. 01:31:50
That will add to it so. 01:31:56
But that said, like a lot of these other things sort of fall right in there. The concert series and things like this Restaurant 01:31:59
Week, whatever it is. 01:32:02
Kind of goes right hand in hand with that. It's like if there are people that are coming here and there's opportunity like we need 01:32:06
to keep the dollars here. So that's sort of like I I like a lot of these, I really like. 01:32:11
It's much more digestible than sort of a nebulous plan that we've been looking at before. This is really, really great. 01:32:17
Yeah, I like a lot of this. 01:32:25
And I understand the grant writing thing. I think that should be priority number one for us. Like there's a ton, a ton, a ton of 01:32:28
public money out there, state, county, federal, whatever it is. 01:32:32
That we can make use of and. 01:32:37
That my understanding from the presentation is. 01:32:39
Salary for that person that we're stating here is going to say $80,000. 01:32:44
You know, they're bringing in 500,000 in grants and we're spending 420,000 of that because of the 500 they brought in, 80 is 01:32:49
paying their salary, right. So that's kind of like obviously the city is fronting the money, but like you know, that's how it 01:32:55
works, so. 01:33:00
Yeah, I think that should be priority number one. Honestly, that's my two cents here. 01:33:07
I think that's probably going to be the the most important thing we can do in an ongoing basis is that. 01:33:13
Certainly seems to have the biggest ROI. 01:33:20
So, so there's no choice is a good point. Here we are, we meet once a month, we have this plan, there's 13 items or so. I would be 01:33:23
interested to know what everybody else is since we're here and open an open meeting. 01:33:30
You said the grad writing. I agree it's right at the top. What does everybody else think if you had to put? 01:33:38
Like 1-2 or three on something. What would be in your top three? 01:33:45
Right now, since we were just handed this when we walked into the meeting and all we've had to do is we we listen to what it is. I 01:33:50
think what we should have some time to do is to sit there and study and each one of us. 01:33:56
Yeah, there's some really good ideas here. Might have a different opinion in one of these particular things. I think that's 01:34:03
important as well. 01:34:07
So our plan is that we're going to go to a council meeting and present this actually so. 01:34:11
Rather than put it off another month but until February, is there any way we can get around? 01:34:19
Brown, Act. 01:34:25
Restrictions to have a way of collecting your feedback, like can I ask city manager? 01:34:27
This must come up. 01:34:35
And other groups as well. You know, an item that just needs. 01:34:36
Given the not not to interrupt, but given the crit. 01:34:41
Timing on this, couldn't we ask for? 01:34:45
A meeting in between now and the next, absolutely we could do that. That's another option that we have in our. 01:34:49
You know. 01:34:57
Madam Chair, you could call for a special meeting you could limit the discussion to. 01:34:59
This one item. 01:35:07
If that's what you chose, and simply share priorities and come up with the list and then you could go from. 01:35:09
But that if time is in the issue, that's what I would suggest. 01:35:21
That would be a whole lot better, at least in my mind. 01:35:28
Then people you know making decisions on their own you'd still need. 01:35:32
Some uh forum to make a final decision as to what your priorities are and that. 01:35:39
Seem to be a special meeting, so excellent. OK. 01:35:46
I and can I just ask, CHAPS Councilman member Paduri. 01:35:52
We talked about budget and the Council's budget. This is directly relevant to that. So would would you be able to attend because I 01:35:59
think your input would be very important in terms of. 01:36:04
Us positioning ourselves and strategically presenting this to the City Council in a way that you know it's not going to because 01:36:12
it's already been presented twice to the council and and dropped each time, you know, in favor of other items. So that's why we've 01:36:17
had no action on it in the last year. 01:36:23
So we just don't want that to happen again and I think it's really important for every single commissioner in the Economic 01:36:29
Development Commission that we do have. 01:36:34
You know that we are heard by the Council and and that the proposal is considered, so it would be useful to have feedback. 01:36:40
Yeah, depending on when the when the special meeting is happening, I'm happy to participate. I just need some advance notice to 01:36:47
make sure that I'm able to participate. I would also say that if you're looking at it from a budget perspective, we also talked 01:36:53
about the QR code item that's not here. So what what do you intend to do with all of these items? Is it just for small business 01:36:59
action plan or is it for everything else? 01:37:05
I'm just tossing it out there just to make sure that we're thinking about funds and how much you want to present. You got to think 01:37:12
of everything in consolidation. Yeah, excellent point. And to date, we've been considering investing ourselves, the EDC money that 01:37:18
we have in our budget to the QR code project, however. 01:37:25
Several things have come up. I mean the antique district actually wants to do AQR code thing themselves and so there it would be 01:37:33
nice to have a little pot of money that we could do a few little EDC projects. So if we could get the council to invest in. 01:37:40
The QR code project, I think that's a discussion we could look at next, you know, in the special meeting. 01:37:48
Madam Chair, if I could. 01:37:56
Just and kind of capsulize the discussion. 01:37:59
You have quite a list. 01:38:03
Absolutely. And collectively there's quite a cost associated with it. 01:38:05
And you it will take some time for implementation you know. 01:38:13
I really think it's probably an advantage to share your priorities with the Council. 01:38:19
And and of course Mr. Chaps is here but well, you may have to look at is a kind of a long term vision. 01:38:26
Of a of achieving your goal. I know you're anxious to get things done. 01:38:37
But it you know, remember that the budget context is about getting started and it'll go through sometime in the spring and you 01:38:42
might be more successful with that. But that's my only suggestion. 01:38:51
Really valuable comment and something we should take to heart in our next meeting, so. 01:39:00
Umm, Liz, if I may I? 01:39:07
You know. 01:39:10
Yeah, a special meeting might be the right way to go, but I think. 01:39:12
If, if we're under the gun and we have to ask for one thing, we. 01:39:16
Sorry, we should ask for the thing that like, generates its own funds so we don't run into this problem every eleven months. So 01:39:21
maybe the priority is the grant writer then, right? So if like if we can do that and get our ducks in a row here in the next month 01:39:26
or whatever, or do a special meeting and vote on that or whatever it is, I think that's the thing that will generate money for all 01:39:32
the rest of these items. 01:39:37
So maybe that's the priority, even if it's like. 01:39:44
We want to do XY and Z also and their smaller budget and we could do them easier I think like. 01:39:47
The thing that will. 01:39:55
Get us out of this problem continually might be the thing to just focus on for now. 01:39:56
Yes. 01:40:02
I wish that. 01:40:04
Towns. Uh, sorry, Commissioner. UH Richmond was here because she has a lot of. 01:40:06
Fabulous ideas for making huge events out of very small budgets. And you know, she's, she's a social media influencer. She's a, 01:40:12
she's a creative person. She has a, you know? 01:40:17
Umm, she has. 01:40:24
Valuable things, I think I wouldn't want to say. Just like let's reduce it to one thing. Even though I understand the strategy 01:40:26
behind it, I think let's keep a little base for some. 01:40:31
You know, impact in other areas. 01:40:36
But you know, that's it's not my show. It's everybody's and that's let's you know, save this, that 6:00. I didn't ask do we still 01:40:40
have to finish at six even if we started 20 minutes late or? 01:40:46
Understood. So can we say we'll defer everything, We'll close the meeting now and I think you should provide or come to a decision 01:40:55
on this issue and and then conclude the meeting. 01:41:02
Right, that's what we need to do. So umm. 01:41:12
I don't know if next week is a good. 01:41:16
You know, same time, same station. 01:41:21
Promotion. 01:41:26
As I told her, I'm in the hospital next week so I will not be available probably for at least another two weeks to just unless 01:41:28
they do a virtual thing from home recovery. 01:41:33
OK would you be Would you have access to Zoom next week for a meeting? 01:41:38
OK, but you just need to announce it so that if anyone, yeah, yeah. 01:41:49
Yeah. There was a little procedure. So that you can, as you know. Yeah. OK. Yeah, good. OK. 01:41:57
Well, I just said, you know, because it's to be efficient. I just said next week. 01:42:04
Being optimistic is is that does that work for people? Can I find out yes or no works for me? 01:42:09
There is a Planning Commission at 6:00 next Thursday. So that would be the only one that would be conflicting. So you need to end 01:42:15
at 5:30 so they can set up one topic. So I I think an hour should I hope this, you know, if everybody comes forward, if we, if we 01:42:21
put you know out a list of items, I agree with commissioner who's there are probably two or three things. This is the big budget 01:42:27
item, the other things. 01:42:32
What I would suggest is they're running too low hanging fruit items. They don't cost a lot, but we can get moving on right away in 01:42:39
addition to the consultant. 01:42:43
And right, I'm saying we would talk about that, but be prepared to come and talk about it. So I'm available next week, OK. 01:42:47
So that would be so before o'clock next Thursday. Can I check Commissioner Venuti? 01:42:58
Next Thursday, yeah. 01:43:09
Yes, city manager. 01:43:28
Yes. 01:43:30
Didn't wait that long. What I'm going to suggest is that you allow staff to look at what the available dates are that second week 01:43:41
out. We'll communicate then with the chair. The chair, I believe, has the ability to call a special meeting, special meetings. We 01:43:48
need just 24 hours worth of notice. 01:43:55
Umm, not the 72? 01:44:03
24 hours, especially if it's a single. 01:44:05
So that's that would be my recommendation. 01:44:09
Is that you direct staff to review possible dates 2 weeks out and then? 01:44:13
Work that way with. 01:44:20
Excellent. That's a good plan, so. 01:44:22
Umm can I just check? 01:44:26
Our staff liaison person is is OK with that OK? 01:44:29
All right. And then it would just be for. 01:44:33
Communicate with Chair Upman and then we will. 01:44:36
We'll hear about alternative dates, OK, OK. 01:44:41
Thank you. 01:44:47
Great. OK. This is then the part of the meeting where we asked for. 01:44:51
Any agenda items? 01:44:57
The next session. 01:45:00
And these also could be emailed anything that you say, I will just refer to Chair Upman. 01:45:02
Makes the agenda. They can also be emailed to chair admin as well, but anything. 01:45:08
I would like to. 01:45:16
Just do an update on park lids because I know the EDC. 01:45:17
Been supportive of it. 01:45:21
Arts District and the Arts District, Yeah, let's do that as well, PG. I'd like to see the update on that, PG. 01:45:24
And we're gonna vote on the QR allocation. 01:45:32
Those are all hot topics. Thank you everyone and. 01:45:38
It is 6. Just. Sorry, just one thing. The music series for Kelsey, since she wasn't here, you had to defer that. We'll defer that. 01:45:43
Yeah, right. 01:45:48
Yeah, just make sure it gets on. 01:45:53
Would it be possible to have the strategic plan is that? 01:45:55
We have that. OK. Can we? 01:46:00
We just, yes. So gentle prod to whoever I'll mention that to Eric that we don't let that just fade away. OK. The strategy question 01:46:05
mark. OK, good. OK, so it looks like it's six O 7 and we will. 01:46:12
Conclude our meeting. Thank you very much. Our next CDC meeting will be the first Thursday of February at 4:00 PM. 01:46:20
Thank you. 01:46:31
Yeah, Excellent. 01:46:36
Good. 01:46:37
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So we as the host and initiated the meeting. 00:00:00
All right, we can start recording then. OK, beautiful. 00:00:05
Thank you, Madam Chair. 00:00:13
I think we're ready to go. Thank you. 00:00:17
I call this. 00:00:21
Thank you. I call this meeting of the Pacific Grove Economic Development Commission to order at 4:20. 00:00:23
Quick reminder to everyone that if you make a motion or second it, please state your name for the. 00:00:33
OK. So we'll start with approval of the agenda. Madam Chair, I suggest that we call the roll. 00:00:41
Yes. 00:00:52
Thank you City manager that. 00:00:53
Yeah, go ahead. 00:00:57
Vice Chair Jacobs. 00:00:58
Chair up. 00:01:02
Absent, Commissioner van. 00:01:05
Here, Commissioner. 00:01:08
Present. 00:01:11
Commissioner Richmond. 00:01:13
Absent Commissioner Hoops. 00:01:15
Here. 00:01:19
Commissioner Markowitz. 00:01:21
We have 5 Commissioners present and two absent. We have a quorum. 00:01:25
Thank you. 00:01:31
So we'll move on to approval of the agenda. The agenda supporting documents in the packet were circulated in advance of today's 00:01:33
meeting and are available for download on the EDC page of the city website. 00:01:39
Are there any questions on order of agenda items from Commissioners? 00:01:45
Is there a motion to approve the agenda as presented? So moved, Robin. 00:01:52
OK. 00:01:57
Would you say, oh, yes, go ahead. My question is for the agenda here. I know there was scheduled to be a Concert Series 00:02:02
subcommittee update and Kelsey was supposed to deliver that. So we might want to just take that off the agenda for today. 00:02:08
OK. That's item 10 on the regular agenda. 00:02:14
That's common sense and good point. Thank you. So, so we'll delete agenda item. Oh my goodness, 10. Thank you. 00:02:17
Are we approving December minutes? 00:02:28
Oh, we'll get to that in just a SEC. 00:02:31
Yeah. 00:02:33
So are we? Can I? Would anyone? 00:02:35
Make a motion that we. 00:02:39
Delete and can I take it as read that you have Thank you anyone to 2nd so moved. Thank you. So can we? 00:02:41
Vote please. 00:02:50
Commissioner Mark. 00:02:52
Yes. 00:02:54
Commissioner Vanuti. 00:02:56
Vice Chair Jacobs. 00:02:59
Commissioner G. 00:03:02
Yes. 00:03:05
Commissioner Hoops. 00:03:08
Five Eyes, 0 nays, Motion passes. 00:03:11
Thank you. So let's move on to #2 Commission and staff announcements, city related items. 00:03:14
I would like to start, if I may, invite myself to make an announcement at the BID meeting yesterday for January. 00:03:24
We finally got to the point where we've been discussing for a while and we are forming a business forum which will be which will 00:03:36
have 4 members. 00:03:40
And I thought it'd be particularly of interest to this group. We are inviting someone to represent the EDC on it and. 00:03:45
The purpose of the group is to. 00:03:54
Meet monthly informally and discuss amongst the different groups which are HIDBIDEDC and Chamber. 00:03:57
What each group is doing so that we don't duplicate and also that. 00:04:06
Well, if we are duplicating, we do so in a constructive way where we might strengthen each other's work and. 00:04:12
To discuss anything of interest that we feel needs advocacy to just, you know, build stronger bonds in our business community in 00:04:19
town and hope that that promotes economic development. So the person who's going to be organizing it is Jenny right here, Jenny 00:04:25
McMurdo. 00:04:30
She is going well. Can I let you just Sure. Anything. I didn't. Oh no, she's she said it exactly that. You said it perfectly. 00:04:38
I'll be administering and also present. Obviously this group is the the toughest group of all four of them. 00:04:47
And we did decide yesterday that we'd like it to be rotating members coming in and in and out. So what I'll do is anyone who's 00:04:55
interested. 00:05:00
Send me an e-mail and then I'll get a calendar and it'll be real simple. We'll be able to put it on people's agendas and. 00:05:05
Excited about that new group. 00:05:12
Yeah, I think personally, as much communication as we have amongst the other groups that promote business interests in town, I 00:05:15
think it's fabulous and I hope everyone is keen to participate. 00:05:20
So that was one thing. 00:05:25
And then another. 00:05:29
Item is. 00:05:32
All restaurants recently received letters. 00:05:35
Saying that. 00:05:40
We we're not allowed to have music above 70 decibels in town and I know a lot of businesses. 00:05:42
Are. 00:05:51
Part of their business model is to have live music and. 00:05:52
At the moment it's. The only way to do it now is to pay $92 for every event that you have. So if you do something twice a week, 00:05:58
that's like nearly $200 a week and. 00:06:03
As our HDL consultants have been really. 00:06:10
Strenuously promoting doing live music, especially like a restaurant, concert series or concert series in general, I feel you know 00:06:14
it's in the context of economic development. It does help promote things and just want to say that that is a topic that the BID is 00:06:21
going to be discussing to see if there's a way to. 00:06:27
I'll make it easier financially for businesses. 00:06:35
And I just wanted to flag that that will be at the next bid meeting in February, yes. 00:06:39
I don't know the answer to that. 00:06:47
Madam Chair, yes, it's probably in the municipal code. 00:06:53
The. 00:06:59
Yeah, yeah. 00:07:01
Yeah, it probably was based on some sound studies that were done some time ago. 00:07:04
Yeah, it's interesting. We took a decibelometer out to the parklet and people just drinking and talking is 94 decibels. So it's 00:07:11
even louder than that, you know. So it's there is a lot, you know 70 is very little anyway. 00:07:18
So apparently it's the sound of a washing machine. That's what it says online. I don't know anyway, so I just wanted to flag that 00:07:28
for your attention. 00:07:32
And thank you. Can I ask if there's anyone else with comments? 00:07:36
OK. Do you want to go for Jenny? 00:07:43
The other thing is we are now in a new calendar year, as you all know. That means that new employment laws are taking place. They 00:08:22
already would have started on January 1st. So if you don't know what some of the new legislation is for 2024, give me a call. I 00:08:28
have a really great white paper that I get from Cal Chamber and I can go through those with you if you have any questions. Thank 00:08:33
you. 00:08:38
Yeah, Commissioner. 00:08:49
Thank you, Vice, Chair Jacobs and I, I happen to have been at the BID yesterday and I was excited to hear. 00:08:51
The formation of this group and. 00:08:58
Recall it's the EDC, the chamber. 00:09:01
The Downtown Business Improvement District and the Hospitality. 00:09:05
Improvement Dist. 00:09:09
And I think it's an informal working group. It's not a brown act. 00:09:10
Group. Is that correct? 00:09:15
I think that's. 00:09:16
So I think it's a great idea. 00:09:19
And just a couple of the things, there is a new brew pub which has finally been, after a couple years, approved. 00:09:22
Down in the old laundry on lighthouse across from the old pier. 00:09:31
And it's called, I believe, hops and fog and. 00:09:35
Story on it and when it's opening to hope for May 1st, they got interior stores. A really great story. Yeah. You know I I was 00:09:46
watching some comments by I think it's Mike Duncan. I think he's the the owner of the business and he's very excited and inviting 00:09:51
people to come in. 00:09:56
The second thing I'd like to mention is that. 00:10:02
The chief Madeleine, the police chief for Pacific. 00:10:06
Has graciously agreed. 00:10:11
Equip for patrol cars with something called an emergency sleeping bag. It comes in a. 00:10:16
A reasonable packet, like this emergency sleeping bag. It's a full body sized Mylar bag which you can fold it up and stick back in 00:10:21
here. 00:10:25
It keeps your body. 00:10:30
Uh, it keeps the peed in, 95% of your body heat in and it's waterproof. It's Mylar, it's recyclable. And so local group has 00:10:32
donated these to the police chief. We're trying to get other. 00:10:38
City police organizations to also equip their patrol cars. Some people are don't qualify for various programs like I help because 00:10:44
you have to be clean and sober. They find themselves on the street and if you do overnight, if your core body temperature drops to 00:10:51
2 1/2°, you're really in trouble. So the chief met alone. Thanks to her for helping. 00:10:59
I'll make these avail. 00:11:07
The one other thing I would mention there is a new Speaking of new employment laws. 00:11:10
There's a assemblyman in Sacramento by the name of Lee. 00:11:16
And he got approved in the and the governor signed something called AB 413. 00:11:21
And it's going to impact downtown businesses. It's going to. 00:11:27
Pacific Grove, AB 4. 00:11:31
Says that you cannot park or stop a vehicle. 00:11:35
Within. 00:11:38
Of a crosswalk. Whether the crosswalk is marked or unmarked, I don't know exactly what that means. I don't know if it's going to 00:11:40
have. 00:11:43
You know what impact that's going to have, but that went into effect. 00:11:47
On January the 1st. 00:11:51
And so I think. 00:11:53
It'll be interesting to see what you know, what it does to parking downtown, and even what it does to parklets. Nobody really 00:11:55
knows yet. 00:11:58
So, so there's that. 00:12:02
Interestingly, we we we got 2 letters and normally we don't read the letters, but we do recognize. 00:12:05
And one they both represent. We got one from Colleen Goldsmith, who. 00:12:12
Chair of the Rec. 00:12:17
And she is very interested in resurrecting something called the Christmas Markets, which I remember maybe 20 years ago, The 00:12:18
Christmas market was not downtown, but it was someplace else where perhaps folks, they bring their crafts, they sell them at a 00:12:26
Christmas market. And she said it's a great idea. And she's suggesting that the EDC help may be organized a volunteer group. 00:12:34
And it'd be either held at Chautauqua Hall or and and be compacted with the Christmas tree lighting and that sort of thing. So 00:12:42
maybe it's something that the bid would like to look at, you know, maybe something we should talk about more. 00:12:48
And then? 00:12:55
A member of the Planning Commission sent us an e-mail. 00:12:56
Talking about our minutes and our agendas. 00:13:00
And keeping some kind of written minutes if there is no formal present. 00:13:03
Of a action item on the agenda. 00:13:08
It should be recorded in the Minutes in terms of what the actions. 00:13:11
And we have the minutes from last time, which we haven't Appro. 00:13:15
But they they should donate and they should they should call out what the action items are from December. It just simply says that 00:13:19
a that a presentation was made. There is no documentation of what the decisions actually were. So I'm not sure who takes notes, 00:13:26
who is responsible for that, but I think I'd like to see the minutes. Mr. Kubica from the Planning Commission mentioned this and I 00:13:33
think it's a it's it's something we can do better on. 00:13:40
I think. 00:13:49
I think that's it. Thank you, Commissioner Gibbs. 00:13:54
Any other comments from commissioners? 00:13:59
OK, Our Council Liaison officer. 00:14:04
Do you have any announcements for the EDC? Yes, I just have one minor announcement as you may know, the City of Pacific Grove. 00:14:08
Partnership with the Transportation Agency of Monterey. 00:14:17
Is making improvements to the center, the Sunset Dr. corridor, so that's between Forest Ave. and Cedar St. Slash Sunset Street by 00:14:21
the Fiber intersection. 00:14:25
The first of the community meetings is being held on Tuesday, January 9th between 5:30 and 7:30 PM at Short Aqua Hall. I would 00:14:30
encourage all of anyone of you and whoever else from the public to participate in this meeting and contribute to see how we can 00:14:37
improve a section of the town that is used very frequently and mostly by children. Thank you. 00:14:43
Yeah, thank you, Councilman. 00:14:51
OK, umm. 00:14:54
So let's move on to general public. 00:14:57
This portion of the meeting is reserved for members of the public to address the Commission on any matter that's not on the 00:15:02
agenda, but under the jurisdiction of the Commission. 00:15:06
Comments from the public are limited to 3 minutes and do not receive EDC action. 00:15:12
Comments regarding items on the regular agenda shall be heard prior to the EDC's consideration of such items, as they are called 00:15:16
the agenda. 00:15:20
So. 00:15:26
Please, who do we have the pleasure of welcoming today? Hi. 00:15:27
Yeah, click the little button there. And can you please state your name? Hello, everybody. I am Natasha Vanderlaan. I'm the 00:15:33
Associate Director of Sales for Sylmar Conference Grounds. I'm here with Vivian Garcia, our Director of Sales. Our we actually 00:15:40
have a fairly new General Manager, Fareed Kamal, who had hoped to be here today, but he wasn't able to make it. So we just wanted 00:15:47
to give you a few updates on a Sylmar. We've been working pretty furiously for the last two years to bring it back to life. 00:15:55
We had a fabulous holiday season. We had brought back our Thanksgiving dinner. We had close to 800 folks who attended that 00:16:03
throughout Thanksgiving Day. We participated in the holidays at the ends again and we have some really great things on the 00:16:09
schedule. For this upcoming year, we're planning to bring back the Sunset Music series that we hosted in the past, so that'll be 00:16:15
going. 00:16:20
I will send out the calendar but it's the last Friday in May, every Friday through mid August. 00:16:28
So that's we're really excited about that along with other renovations and consistent maintenance that we're doing to the 00:16:34
property. I'll turn it over to Vivian, but we just wanted to let everyone know what we've been up to. Hello. 00:16:41
So we've been trying to attract all the previous large groups that we had over the years, bringing them back. Whenever we have 00:16:49
those type of groups, we use a lot of overflow properties for them, keeping the business in City of Pacific Grove and also when 00:16:55
they're staying. 00:17:01
Off site which is the other properties they tend to go use the local restaurants around here. So we're really excited to bring 00:17:07
those groups back. 00:17:12
And we're already I can be talking to them already so. 00:17:17
Thank you for having us. Thank you. Thank you so much. 00:17:22
Why not? 00:17:25
I just wanted to say heartfelt. Thank you. That's wonderful and I think we're all really delighted so. 00:17:29
Yeah, it's a, you know, it's a, it's a. It's an icon in. 00:17:35
And I think it's actually under management of the of the California State Park system, is that right? 00:17:39
It is state Parks and it is privately managed by Parks now. Yes. And so, I mean, it's, it's an iconic facility in in the United 00:17:44
States. Yeah. And I'm glad to hear that you're bringing it back. But I have a very important question. 00:17:51
That big fireplace in the lobby, is that ever going to get fired up again? Oh, you've got to come. It's been, it's been going. 00:17:58
It's been going. Yeah, I came right. Yeah. I came about a month ago, month and a half ago, and I didn't see it going. So it's been 00:18:04
going and we're starting to ring the bell back during Miller. 00:18:09
Right. Nice job. Good to see you. So Lamar back? Will the cafe be open? 00:18:16
Or longer hours. It is update the traffic traffic that's coming in. It is currently open right now. I think it's only open until 00:18:23
7:00 PM, then we're back to until 9:00 PM tomorrow. I see. OK. So over the weekends now it's 7:00 to 9:00, during the weekday 7:00 00:18:29
to 7:00. But we intend over the next few months to extend that back to, I believe we were 7:00 to 10:00 PM in the past. So that 00:18:36
would be the goal. But like we said, 7 to 9, probably extending that into weekdays and then going from there. Are you saying 7:00 00:18:42
AM or 7:00 PM? 00:18:49
AM tonight. 00:18:55
Yeah, Yeah. Excellent. Thank you. I just wanted to say thank you so much for coming and we'll we'll get freed in here, yeah, 00:18:57
definitely. 00:19:01
Thank you everyone. This is our first time. We're loving it. Thank you for having us. Much appreciated. Thank you. 00:19:07
So. 00:19:14
Inga, I can see that you have got your hand raised, so can be recognizing Lorenz and Dahmer to speak. 00:19:16
Thank you very much. That is good news to hear about asylum are and. 00:19:25
I wanted to remind the chair and staff. 00:19:31
Unless you have your mics on and speaking. 00:19:35
They're going to be no decibels coming through. 00:19:40
And that is unfortunate. Of course, we had 20 minutes of no decibels and I would kind of think that after four years of doing Zoom 00:19:46
meetings or going into the 4th year that we wouldn't have these glitches and possibly it would be a good idea to put up a little 00:19:53
sign on the website. 00:19:59
I mean on your meeting, so that we aren't just saying what's happening, you know, it's like problems, it problems, whatever. But 00:20:07
who knows when it's gonna start. 00:20:13
And another thing is right kind of along the lines of of Andy Kubica's letter about minutes is is the reports and agenda reports. 00:20:19
I am so glad the errata was issued even though. 00:20:27
Pretty late today. 00:20:35
Because agenda reports should always be in the agenda and always written. 00:20:38
We've we've had such sparse information and obviously in the erratic quite a lot came out, so I appreciate that very much and it 00:20:47
should just be a matter of course in my mind. 00:20:53
Thank you. 00:20:59
Yeah. Thank you very much. 00:21:02
OK. Any other comments from the public? 00:21:07
I see no other hands raised. 00:21:12
No hands raised. Great. OK, let's move on then to approval of the minutes. 00:21:14
We have the. 00:21:20
December EDC minutes. These were distributed in advance. They're included in the packet available for download on the EDC page of 00:21:21
the city website. Are there any questions on the minutes from the public? 00:21:27
How about from Commissioners? 00:21:37
Any issues? 00:21:40
Deal with OK Is there a motion to approve the Minutes? 00:21:41
I move Commissioner hoops. 00:21:47
Thank you. And 2nd I'll second Commissioner Markowitz. 00:21:50
Excellent. OK, so. 00:21:53
The motion. 00:21:57
Oh, no we don't, if this are we? 00:21:59
Vote could be a roll call vote. 00:22:01
Commissioner. 00:22:04
Hi, Commissioner Markowitz. 00:22:06
Vice Chair Jacobs. 00:22:11
Commissioner Venuti. 00:22:14
Commissioner Gibbs, yes. 00:22:17
Five Eyes, 0 nays, Motion passes. 00:22:20
Great. OK. Then let's move on to the regular agenda, the first item. 00:22:23
Item is number six, the EDC budget. 00:22:30
So the reference is Laurel O'halloran, who's away on holiday, can assume that we have a stand in. I will go ahead and give that 00:22:33
report. Excellent. OK, thank you. Yes, says. As you'll recall, during your last year meeting last month, the Commission asked if 00:22:40
it could receive a monthly update on what your budget is. 00:22:48
And. 00:22:57
In her absence, Laurel is out of town. She did supply. 00:22:59
The attachment that was distributed a bit early. 00:23:04
Earlier in in their report. It remains primarily the same as it was last month. 00:23:07
The EDC has a budget, as you know, of $39,900 for 2324. To date, $20,000 has been allocated. Those are to the two small business 00:23:15
grant programs. The remaining is 19,900. 00:23:24
The Facade program is also in existence. It has a budgeted amount of. 00:23:35
$25,000 for 2324 present time. There are three applications. 00:23:42
That are pending and each of those might be allocated up to a total of $5000 each. 00:23:50
So that's the brief report for this month and I'm available if you have any questions. 00:24:00
Thank you. 00:24:09
Yes. Robin, can you share with us how this budget came to be in terms of the total figure? 00:24:11
Yes, I can certainly try to. 00:24:20
And please recall this as part of our budget process and I believe it was allocated by the the City Council when they approved the 00:24:23
budget back at the beginning of the fiscal year. 00:24:30
As you know, the fiscal year goes from July 1st. 00:24:38
June June 30th. 00:24:43
And I should tell you that a couple of things about that. 00:24:47
The council will be conducting a mid year review sometime in February. That's their opportunity to make some adjustments to 00:24:52
existing budgeted budgets. 00:24:58
Will also be taking to the Council a budget schedule. 00:25:05
Probably at the meeting on the 17th that will outline what the steps are to approve a new budget and it's something that the 00:25:10
Commission. 00:25:15
UH, together with staff, should be paying attention to in order to get your request in to the Council early. 00:25:21
So do you know if last year you weren't here, nor was I, but maybe somebody else on staff? Do you know if the EDC made a 00:25:31
presentation to the City Council or the figure was simply assigned to us? 00:25:37
That I'm unaware of. 00:25:43
Chats. 00:25:46
As far as I know, there's no presentation to Council. 00:25:48
And I believe this historically this has just been under the city manager's budget, I mean approval limit. So it's it said that 00:25:51
numbers like 39,000. 00:25:55
If if you want to make a case for something higher, et cetera, I suggest starting, start working, have it as an agenda item, 00:26:01
discuss on it and and see what you want to do. Thank you. Thank you. 00:26:06
Can I check if there are any other comments or questions from Commissioners? 00:26:15
Yes, Miss, Commissioner Gibbs, Yeah, thank you for the report. And at the at our December meeting this did come up. 00:26:20
Councilmember. 00:26:26
Nor a you know, does he just. 00:26:28
If we have additional information about a budget, that we would require additional projects which may be coming up. 00:26:31
In the later in the. 00:26:39
With a small business recovery plan, there are some. 00:26:42
Dollars allocated for. 00:26:44
That to get it in. 00:26:47
And and for me. 00:26:49
I'm not sure there's a limit we should. 00:26:55
What we think we need and let the Council ask questions and adjust it. 00:26:57
And I also believe Bob that the. 00:27:02
The budget is, I usually call it, a zero based budget. In other words, if we don't. 00:27:05
This year it goes away. Is that correct? Yeah. So and I'm looking at the numbers. So we had 20,000 for the grant program. 00:27:10
And 25 for the facade program those appear. 00:27:19
Those. 00:27:23
Exceed 39,000, so I'm guessing they're two separate budgets. 00:27:24
OK. And so then the pending the three that are pending? 00:27:29
It it sort of says that we should approve those. 00:27:34
The budget. 00:27:38
Yeah. And then the, I think the mayor was here at the last meeting and he pointed out this podium over here that the budget 00:27:41
planning process begins in March. So we have this meeting and the next meeting to prepare an outline of what it is that we would 00:27:47
like to submit to the City Council. 00:27:53
And I also, I went back and looked at the video. 00:28:00
He did mention a $300,000 number. 00:28:03
Now that number was not just for the EDC were included in that number and I believe the Convention Bureau is in there and there's 00:28:07
a Monterey small business. 00:28:11
Committee gets $5000 or something like that. So we are competing with two other organizations for the City Council approval of. 00:28:16
Of economic development budget of $300,000 total. 00:28:24
And so we need to make a good case for that otherwise. 00:28:28
That money is going to go someplace else and not be under the purview of this Commission, which I think is in is in better touch 00:28:32
with what is needed among the business community here. So that's just my appeal, so. 00:28:38
That's it. 00:28:47
No do. 00:28:51
Do you think it would be advantageous for us to once again let another subcommittee that talks about budget? 00:28:53
Yeah. And then reports back in February. 00:29:00
Well, there's two ways to do this. I think we could have it as an agenda item and then we could have a discussion. 00:29:07
Here or we could have a subcom. 00:29:14
And. 00:29:17
I, you know those are really worthy things that are, you know the 300,000 like I'm really happy about where the money's going 00:29:20
personally. I think you know the, the amount of marketing that we get from the MCCVB or C Monterey is. 00:29:28
You know, really important for our town, but there's room for discussion and. 00:29:38
I yeah. 00:29:46
I, you know, affirmative to your question, can we have views from other members of the Commission? 00:29:49
Yeah. 00:29:58
You know the 39,000, whatever the this Commission's budget is, is something that we can then approve. 00:29:59
In Pocket and doesn't have to go anywhere else. I think that there is. I think the question then becomes like. 00:30:05
To council, which we could get at the next City Council meeting just or over e-mail or whatever of like how much discretionary 00:30:11
funding is in the council's budget That so if we want to do, let's say the summer concert series or whatever that we've been 00:30:16
talking about going to cost us $50,000 like. 00:30:22
Is there room to go to council throughout the year and propose a project and get funding for it, or is there do they not have? 00:30:27
Sort of a slush fund for to be used for special projects because I think like. 00:30:36
You know, our own budget is good for small things that cost you know between 1:00 and may