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We are all right. It is 40. 00:00:54
And I'm going to go ahead and call this meeting of the Economic Development Commission to order. 00:00:59
Just a quick reminder to everyone, if you make a motion or second, please state your name for the record. Commissioner McMurdo is 00:01:06
not here and so if I could ask anyone to be our secretary for. 00:01:12
Dave Laurel, are you able to take? Yeah, I'll do it. Fantastic. Thank you so much. 00:01:19
OK, let's start with roll. 00:01:23
Please OK, Chair Upman. Present Vice Chair Jacobs. 00:01:25
No, Commissioner. 00:01:32
Commissioner Markowitz, Commissioner Richmond. 00:01:36
Here and Commissioner Venuti. Here. OK, so we have Commissioner Hoops and Commissioner Jacobs. 00:01:39
Absent right now, correcting Commissioner McMurdo is also right, yes. 00:01:47
Category. OK. That takes us to approval of the agenda and just to to formally do this. First let's let's open this up to members 00:01:53
of the public. Is there anybody? 00:01:59
That's attending online that would like to make a comment regarding the agenda that's been. 00:02:05
Posted to. 00:02:10
Website. 00:02:12
Seeing none. 00:02:15
OK, I would like to make a motion to move item 8, the EDC budget report, up to the first item, which would be #6 on the regular 00:02:16
agenda. 00:02:21
And would make them make a motion to approve. 00:02:27
So that agenda. Thank you. 00:02:31
We do a roll call to. 00:02:35
Oh, thank you. 00:02:37
Yeah, OK. So roll call, chair upman. 00:02:39
Hi, Commissioner. 00:02:43
Alright. Commissioner Richmond, aye. Commissioner Venuti, aye. And Commissioner Gibbs, yes. 00:02:46
Motion passes to approve the agenda moving item 8 to item 6/6. 00:02:52
By 520. 00:02:59
Five to zero, with two absent. 00:03:02
That takes us to our Commission and staff announcements. Are there any announcements from the commissioners present or city staff? 00:03:06
Yes. 00:03:16
Pardon me, sorry, your microphone needs to be unmuted. 00:03:19
Thank you. It's good to see everybody. Thanks. The last meeting of the year, if I'm not mistaken. 00:03:23
And I had a presentation prepared. I was inform. 00:03:29
Then, unfortunately it's not appropriate to show the presentation. 00:03:32
I am also aware that the Planning Commission Commissioners. 00:03:36
During their commissioner comments, show pictures and talk about projects that are going on in quality of being one of the tide 00:03:41
pool. So I'm not sure what the rule is, but I would like to get an official ruling. How? That's not commissioner comments. There 00:03:46
were pictures, there was no text really to. 00:03:50
Any of those things, and they were just they went along to illustrate what my comments were. 00:03:56
So I'm not sure how the decision got made or who made it, but. 00:04:01
I'd like to get further explanation on what that's all about. 00:04:06
I see the mayor in the audience. Perhaps he can provide that later. So let me just go back and talk about what I was going to. 00:04:09
Mentioned along with the. 00:04:16
You know, we've been working on a couple of big projects this is all related to. 00:04:17
And I was thinking to myself, what? 00:04:22
What the mission of the EDC is, right? 00:04:26
And somebody said to me yesterday. 00:04:29
Their purpose in life is to find their gift to your mission in life is to give it away. 00:04:32
So it made me think, what's the mission of the EDC? 00:04:37
I'm sure all of you have read. 00:04:40
And paid attention to. 00:04:42
But it is basically we're charged with improving city. 00:04:44
And economic. 00:04:47
Environment by providing A framework for developing and maintaining A viable business community. 00:04:50
Within Pacific Grove, to meet the needs of both the residents and visitors, Al. 00:04:56
Right. So the purpose of this is just to make this even more wonderful place to live. 00:05:01
So we had certain subcommittees working on items including one that point of order. I'm sorry I have to bring this up. 00:05:06
This is general. 00:05:15
Announcements. You're presenting something of information here that's not on the agenda, Mike. You can make an announcement all 00:05:17
you want to, but you're trying, you're bringing in a topic on an announcement. 00:05:23
In front of this Commission. That's not correct. 00:05:30
If you have any specific comments or references that you'd like to make, that's fine, but I do agree that this is extending beyond 00:05:48
that it's it's becoming more of. 00:05:53
So what did somebody tell me what the definition of commissioner comments are if you're on the planning, upcoming events 00:05:58
announcement, things that are happening in the community that you've had, business references? 00:06:03
And So what is the the purpose of the announcement is? Is there a limit? Is there a definition of what an announcement is? 00:06:09
Excuse me, we've been. 00:06:18
As a. 00:06:49
And it's just anyway, I'm sorry. I just find it offensive. Thank you. Thank you. 00:06:50
Do you have any formal announcements that you'd like to cover? 00:06:55
Well, so. 00:06:58
You can stop me again if you like. 00:07:01
I was just going to say that is an announcement, let's just call it that. We're toward the end of the year and I personally think 00:07:04
it's a blessing to live in Pacific. 00:07:07
I'd like to thank you to Jenny and the chamber staff and the volunteers for making Christmas memorable. 00:07:12
Beans Tour was fantastic. They did a wonderful job. It was spectacular to see 7 Gables all lit up with a beach house in Lovers 00:07:17
Point in the background. 00:07:21
What other small town has a Christmas parade, also run by the Chamber of Commerce, where the mayor and the City Council? 00:07:25
March the entire route. They don't write in some fancy car, they get out on foot, and they recognize and greet people by name. 00:07:33
Right, so. 00:07:41
I would just say we should be motivated by these things and the wonderful assets that we have. 00:07:43
The places that we visit on Christmas, the things that are economically viable to the. 00:07:48
I just want to say it was a pleasure working with the Economic Development Commission this year as we move into the second year. 00:07:52
Working with Kelsey and Liz on the subcommittee was was interesting and very informative and I appreciate the hard work that they 00:07:57
put into that. 00:08:02
Right then I was going to go into my images, so I was making an announcement. 00:08:08
Yeah. Thank you. And I don't think if I could just say, I don't think. 00:08:12
To Mr. Markowitz point, I don't think it was offensive. 00:08:17
I don't think it was any of those things. I just couched my announcements in a way. 00:08:20
I wanted to recognize the people they work and how wonderful it is to live in the city. So thank you very much. I would comment to 00:08:26
that. That's that's absolutely fine. 00:08:30
And what you said right now, the things about this city were absolutely great. 00:08:34
And what those were were comments from this board, those were not announcements that's. 00:08:38
Yeah, you know, I'm, I'm just going to take a moment. Although she's not here, I I do want to acknowledge the efforts that 00:08:46
Commissioner McMurdo made and the rest of the. 00:08:52
The City of Pacific Grove. 00:08:59
The business community coming together and all the holiday events that have been going on over this last month and past few weeks. 00:09:01
Have been fantastic. It's so great to see everyone out again. 00:09:11
And it just warms my heart to see the community coming together. So I do want to just acknowledge everyone who's been a part of 00:09:14
that and thank them. 00:09:18
Any further comments from the commissioners before we move forward? 00:09:24
Seeing none. OK, thank you. That brings us to the council liaison announcements. Chair staff has an announcement. Oh, pardon me. 00:09:27
Sorry I skipped over. Staff. Go ahead. 00:09:32
I just would like to introduce our Interim City Manager, Bob Peral. 00:09:38
Welcome. He has a few words for you guys that I think you'll find exciting. Just a couple of quick announcements #1 I'm glad to be 00:09:42
here and and to support your efforts. I did want to let you know that in the past I've been involved in assisting with economic 00:09:53
development strategic planning in two separate communities and I hope you'll be able to take. 00:10:03
Advantage of that service? 00:10:14
I also wanted to announce that the Monterey County Business Council is going to be the hosting agency for the Small Business 00:10:17
Development Center. 00:10:23
And that'll allow them to continue to assist small businesses. 00:10:30
Across to Monterey County, including Pacific Grove, and I've used my discretion to commit about $5000 to assist in that effort. 00:10:37
Those are my announcements. Thank you. 00:10:44
Well, thank you for being here and welcome. It's a pleasure to have you. Thank you. 00:10:52
Encourage, I would say, better communication among the boards and commissions. 00:11:34
One of the action items that will come to this group is essentially volunteering one of you to be part of that group, and that's 00:11:38
going to come in short order, so I just wanted to mention. 00:11:44
Just expect that to be coming to this group in short order and hopefully we can take that forward too. Thank you. 00:11:49
Thank you and just for clarity's sake. 00:11:56
The opportunity to review that request will be coming from whom was city staff or how will we receive that proposal? Typically the 00:12:00
staff liaison will work with the the chief of police has the action, but the staff liaison will work the chief of Police to bring 00:12:06
that to the table. 00:12:13
Thank you. 00:12:20
That brings us to general public comment. I. 00:12:22
We have the mayor joining us. Thank you for being here, but outside of that, no further public is present in the room. Do we have 00:12:25
any comments from? 00:12:29
Online now that we're back to zoom. 00:12:34
I see no hands raised. 00:12:38
And that brings us to approval of the. 00:12:41
Minutes from the November 9th Special. 00:12:45
Were distributed online at cityofvisitorgroup.org. Are there any questions on the minutes from the committee? 00:12:48
Ignition. 00:12:54
I approve the minute I move to approve the minute excell. 00:12:56
We have a second, second thank. 00:12:59
Can we do a roll call vote? 00:13:02
Aye, aye. 00:13:09
Aye, and Commissioner G. 00:13:16
Yes. 00:13:19
Houses 60 with one absent. Thank you very much. That moves us to the regular. 00:13:22
And with the the proposed change in order, that would then bring the first item. 00:13:27
As the EDC Budget report for the 2324 fiscal. 00:13:34
And I'll turn it over to city staff to present. Thank you. 00:13:39
OK. It's a very short report. So you guys were original original budget approved by the City Council for the 2324 fiscal year 00:13:43
which started July 1st was 39,900. 00:13:49
The grant awardees received 20,000 from this budget and so the resulting balance is 19,900 that you have to spend by June 30th. 00:13:56
That concludes my report. Thank you. I think that this would be something that we would love to. I would love to see. 00:14:08
Announced just the status of at each of our following meetings, so that we're all tracking this. Mm-hmm. In addition to that. 00:14:16
If you can provide. 00:14:25
I pardon my ignorance, but a bit more detail on some of the other programs that are part of the EDC. 00:14:27
Umbrella, but not part of our budget. So you also have funds available allocated for the storefront improvement and other things 00:14:34
those do not directly impact. 00:14:39
OK, so the facade program. 00:14:44
Is a separate account. OK, that. 00:14:47
Benefits this committee because it improves our downtown and any actually anywhere in the city now and there is 25,000 for that 00:14:51
budget. 00:14:56
And. 00:15:02
And I don't mean to put you on the spot, so if you need to go back and look, it's fine. But do you have any? 00:15:03
Detail on how much of that available budget has been used to date. 00:15:07
It hasn't been used this this to date. I have a couple applicants that have applied but they are still working on getting the 00:15:12
receipts. 00:15:16
And so that's that's something that we can definitely spread the word about because it's a fantastic opportunity. 00:15:21
Yeah, if you can get the word out. I I've gone around and. 00:15:26
Putting the Flyers through people's. 00:15:30
I don't know. I can tell you personally from from my companies perspective, we're thrilled that that is an opportunity and if 00:15:34
we're able to qualify for that for some of the improvements that we've done with our properties in Visitor Grove, so appreciative 00:15:38
of that. 00:15:42
So currently Lighthouse cinemas and the new brewery where the laundromat is have applied. Excellent, but they haven't. 00:15:47
Completed their work. 00:15:54
Any any further questions? Do you have a jpg or something that you could e-mail us because we could all put it in social media? 00:15:58
Yeah, yeah, that'd be great. Yeah. And I can get our social media person to put it out again, too. That'd be great. OK. Sure. 00:16:06
Before moving on, are there? 00:16:15
Questions or comments from the. 00:16:16
Seeing none OK any further questions or comments from the commissioners Commissioner Brisbane? 00:16:23
I just want to say I. 00:16:29
I was not aware where which budget the $10,000 each to those. 00:16:31
Winners came from, so I'm very disappointed to hear it came out of this year since we made the decision in the last budget 00:16:39
timeline. So considering that money is just kind of like a. 00:16:44
You know, given to us it's not like literal cash dollars that disappears at a certain time of the year. I I would like to think 00:16:50
that someone out there would be interested in a. 00:16:56
Kind of flipping that around and saying that 20,000 from last year just because that means we could actually do that again this 00:17:02
year for another two winners because I would, I don't foresee, I said being able to do that again at least at the same price this 00:17:06
year. 00:17:10
It already came out this year, so just want to throw that. 00:17:15
So if I if I can add to that, I think that strategically the intention here is. 00:17:18
We were able to move forward within the budget that we have available to us and the control that we have over. 00:17:24
If we have additional recommendations that we'd like to bring before council. 00:17:31
Those then can be proposed and request additional funds to support so. 00:17:35
We were operating within. 00:17:40
The budget that we control, but there's certainly no reason why we can't go to council and request additional funding if we have 00:17:42
another. 00:17:46
Is the budget? Is the budget A? Use it or lose it by year end is what we've learned, Yes. 00:17:51
OK. Any further questions before I move on on budget? 00:17:59
Yeah. So in terms of working with the City Council moving forward? 00:18:06
Is it a matter of whatever they decide comes our way or do we make a presentation? 00:18:12
Budget for our committee with projects in mind. 00:18:17
How does that? 00:18:21
If I'm understanding your your question, and I'm by no means an expert in this, but my understanding is that if for instance let's 00:18:22
use the next agenda item, the concert series as an example if if we find that there is cause to approach. 00:18:30
City. 00:18:39
A request for additional funding and we can put forward a proposal as to what we're trying to accomplish. That would be something 00:18:41
we would go before council requests and see if they could support us. 00:18:45
My question is in their budgeting process and maybe the. 00:18:50
Somebody else can tell in the budgeting process, do we make a presentation to them in the spring when they're putting their budget 00:18:55
together to justify whatever we'd like to spend? 00:19:00
And on what? Or is it a matter of well? 00:19:05
This is what will give you do with it, you know, as you will with our approval of course for whatever we decide. So is the number 00:19:08
something we justify? 00:19:12
Is this through the chair? We have council members here that and the mayor. So yeah, sure. So I think this is twofold, right? Like 00:19:19
one. One is you have a you have budget on hand. I think your immediate task is to see how you can spend the budget on hand through 00:19:26
June 30th. But for next year's budget you have an allocated budget that the EDC has and in in yesteryears I have not seen a case 00:19:32
being made saying. 00:19:39
A case being made saying that the budget needs to be allocated for a certain amount, but if you want to, for example, revisit the 00:19:49
budget amount itself. 00:19:54
It certainly makes sense for you to discuss among yourselves. What items do you want to actually? 00:19:59
Pick apart for the budget and consider what that amount needs to be. I can tell you that no matter what what you present, the 00:20:05
Council again debate on the matter. 00:20:10
And the Council will allocate accordingly any kind of budget changes that you make right now. 00:20:16
We'll have to go through a budget amendment exercise through the Council, so I suggest not doing it. 00:20:22
During mid year, just think about what you can do for next year. 00:20:28
Chair. Chair. 00:20:43
This is it is, yes. All right. If I may, please. Thank you. So just to, you know, add on to the comments of Councilmember Padori, 00:20:45
so that the budget process for the year starts about March. 00:20:54
In earnest starts in March on. 00:21:04
For the upcoming and we have modified accrual system which basically means yes, you know use it or lose it sort of thing. The only 00:21:09
thing that gets carried over to the next year are monies for capital improvement projects which I don't think. 00:21:17
Would would apply to the EDC. 00:21:26
And. 00:21:30
Just one other thing to keep in mind. So just the the money's allocated for the EDC. This is the only committee, by the way, that 00:21:31
has an allocated fund for their use, so I. 00:21:38
I would keep that in mind and aside from the the Facade program. 00:21:46
I think the well we've now accumulated all the economic development expenditures in into one accounting and it includes the monies 00:21:54
that go to MCCVB and I was small amount to. 00:22:04
The Monterey County Business Council. 00:22:15
And Mr. Perrault mentioned that and now? 00:22:18
There's another $5000 allocated for the. 00:22:23
Small business advisory. So I believe the total economic expenditure in the budget is on the order of $300,000. So it's. 00:22:29
It's a significant amount of money. Anyhow, just thank you. Thank you. 00:22:41
Helpful. 00:22:46
Before we move on, any further questions, comments? 00:22:49
Well, actually towards the end. 00:22:58
New Agenda? 00:23:02
OK, so that brings us then to the next item on the agenda, the Concert Series subcommittee and an update from. 00:23:04
That subcommittee, Commissioner Richmond, I believe you are heading that, yes. All right. Umm, well. 00:23:12
Our subcommittee. 00:23:20
Commissioner Robin and Vanutie and David Markowitz and myself, we got together a few times because we really wanted to take some 00:23:22
serious action and not just have a million conversations. And we set up a meeting with Katie at the youth center who leads all of 00:23:29
the permitting for the events in the city. So. 00:23:36
Spoke to her. We actually passed a due date of November 30th as far as event applications go, which we didn't realize. 00:23:44
Was a thing, but they said that if we can get them into them by tomorrow, we might be able to still get some something in for 2024 00:23:52
so. 00:23:56
So I'll kind of go over what we kind of figured out and. 00:24:02
The ideas behind that and then the questions I've got at the end for all of us. 00:24:06
So I'm not sure if we talked about this in past meetings, but. 00:24:11
The Chamber had rocking in the Jewel this past year and that went really well. That was in Jewel Park and unfortunately they 00:24:17
aren't going to be doing that again this year. So it wouldn't be in a in collaboration with or anything as far as like they're not 00:24:24
going to have a concert series and we are. So we're kind of going to take over that idea because it already we know it's 00:24:31
successful in that location. So we were hoping for Jewel Park and. 00:24:38
For First Fridays May through September, because we figure if everyone already kind of knows about First Fridays, why not add on 00:24:46
to that and make it a little bit more exciting of just like a whole day of. 00:24:51
Just enjoying our downtown businesses and we were thinking at 4:00 PM to 6:00 PM. So it is a little bit on the earlier side, but 00:24:58
the whole idea behind that would be to kind of. 00:25:03
Hope that after all this music and excitement, you kind of go downtown shopping and getting dinner and that kind of thing. 00:25:10
And we kind of had an idea as well for that to have maybe a list of businesses that we know are open, just so everyone can get an 00:25:17
idea of where they can kind of walk around and maybe with that list too. It kind of invites people to go into stores that weren't, 00:25:22
they didn't realize we're even there. 00:25:27
And something that's very different from what the Chamber did is that we didn't. 00:25:34
This sounds crazy but no vendors, no like food and drink. And because I know the chamber had alcohol as well which means they need 00:25:39
a whole fence and all this stuff so. 00:25:45
That sounds crazy, but there is a reason for it. And the kind of idea that I had brought into this conversation was the idea of 00:25:51
1/3 space. So your first space is home, second space is work, and the third refers to a familiar public spot where you regularly 00:25:58
connect with others, known or unknown, over a shared interest or activity. So often there's no obligation to buy anything. People 00:26:05
from all walks of life can go there and enjoy all the same. 00:26:13
And. 00:26:21
Let's see here. 00:26:22
And this is just something I read. There's quite a few different articles about how this can just improve communities having a 00:26:24
third space, and it would. This article had mentioned lack of public gathering places can lead to decreased community engagement 00:26:30
and feeling socially isolated. Without third spaces, individuals are less likely to form connections with others in their 00:26:37
community, leading to a breakdown in social cohesion. So I just think that's all very important and. 00:26:43
You know, I think there is kind of a disconnect me having come from Michigan and moving here to this area. 00:26:50
And first having my business in Monterey and then over here, I noticed there is a lot of disconnect and I think we could be a lot 00:26:58
closer with each other in our communities and having a third space where you are just free to just be there and connect with 00:27:05
others around you, it's just a really nice thing. So that's kind of the idea of this concert series is just to. 00:27:12
Just create community I guess. Just really simply. 00:27:19
So I have the applications that I almost totally filled out, but there were some questions that I was kind of. 00:27:24
Trying to just I don't know what the answers are so I'm hoping all of you can help me out with this. 00:27:32
I'll name, I'll mention my questions and then maybe public comments. 00:27:38
OK, so first I'm trying to figure out the title of the event series. I don't know if we want to come up with our own name or take 00:27:42
what the Chamber did. That doesn't feel right. I don't want to do that because it is quite a bit different than the next one. 00:27:49
There's a sponsoring organization that has to be put on here. I wanted to confirm with all of us that that. 00:27:55
The E. 00:28:02
Can be. 00:28:04
Person, I'm not really sure. And if so, there's a contact person in that section and maybe. 00:28:05
I don't know if that can be. 00:28:11
So I don't. I'm not sure. So I'm open to discussing who that should be. And then also goes along with that. We would need some 00:28:13
volunteers. I was hoping Jenny would be here today because I I believe that the Chamber would still be interested in being part of 00:28:18
it in some fashion. 00:28:23
And then we've got kind of a budget that. 00:28:29
Is this that got printed out? Is this what you made OK? 00:28:32
We were thinking approximately about $10,000. 00:28:36
For the May through September, each month having a concert. 00:28:41
And honestly that that could even be a little bit over, maybe it's a little under, but I think that's. 00:28:46
Logical numbers. 00:28:51
Yeah, that's. 00:28:54
The summary. 00:28:55
Can I add something? 00:28:57
The idea of no vendors is also key because we didn't want them to be competitive with them with businesses in town. 00:29:01
We didn't want people to get food from an outside vendor. 00:29:10
That's really important and we wanted it to be family oriented. 00:29:13
So no. 00:29:18
So, so I think that's important. The other thing I mean we're going to work more on how we can market this to really encourage 00:29:20
businesses. 00:29:24
Business activity around the concert. I mean, we could ask restaurants to put together, you know, a takeout dinner. 00:29:28
With baskets, you know something to be a jewel park with with their family. 00:29:36
And also marketing. I mean we we really want to get the word out and we're we're depending on Kelsey for social media. 00:29:42
Commissioner Mark Wiz Yeah, just add on this too. Kate Clark was really great when taught us stuff that we never even thought 00:29:53
about. And one of the things we had talked about, you know, police activity, who's going to patrol, security and security and all 00:29:58
that sort of stuff. 00:30:02
And one thing we talked about, you know. 00:30:07
Park do we close the streets like they do for you know farmers Market. We determined that the only St. that would really need to 00:30:10
be closed would be central, just up from the park. Because the whole idea that we want to do is have people attend this concert 00:30:14
and. 00:30:18
Walk right up the hill to downtown and with the street closed makes The Walking just that much easier. The whole idea. 00:30:23
Where we put in this is not money making for us, this is something to open the eyes of the community. 00:30:31
This is what's going on and to do this in conjunction with First Fridays is natural because there's already that event there. So 00:30:37
there's already an awareness of that and we think you know what Kelsey's come up with in these bands and the budget, it's I think 00:30:42
this is a very, very excellent. 00:30:48
Plan and program a program for the people of Pacific Grove and the Third Space. If that's it, that's perfect. 00:30:54
Anything further before we open to comments from the questions, comments from the public and then questions from Commissioners. 00:31:03
This all this budget also assumes. 00:31:12
I think I'm on. 00:31:16
This this program and budget also assumes city sponsorship. 00:31:18
So we'd be going in front of the City Council to ask for that. 00:31:22
I know. Well, he's now knowledgeable. 00:31:27
OK, it looks like we do have one question. 00:31:31
On zoom. 00:31:34
You have. 00:31:36
We'll need to give you permission to talk. 00:31:38
Thank you. The question here is specifically. 00:31:43
Closing off central, Are you talking pretty much where the farmers market is closed on every Monday? 00:31:48
So there'd be a second time and and Central is a pretty central Ave. for transportation, so just wondering. 00:31:56
Thank you. 00:32:07
You it sounds as though the answer is yes. 00:32:09
Natural History Muse. 00:32:14
Next to Sandy the. 00:32:16
Yeah. OK. Let's go ahead and open it up to questions before before we dive into questions. Thank you all. This is fantastic and 00:32:18
I'm excited to see where this goes. 00:32:24
But why don't we open the floor to any questions first? 00:32:30
Mature Jacobs Yeah, thank you so much. So this is brilliant because especially, like, the way you. 00:32:33
Use the concept of third to space because it's under the city of Monterey. Just made a contract with Blue zones which is a 00:32:41
well-being kind of nonprofit and. 00:32:46
They're they base their program on communities that have the highest longevity and they. 00:32:53
Repeat again and again. And the foundation of the program is that when you have a third space, communities live longer. So it's, 00:33:00
you know, vital to well-being and and also. 00:33:05
It's really interesting to me that when you have areas that are pedestrianized, like Boulder, Co for instance, had a very 00:33:11
lackluster, dying business district and they decided to pedestrianize that zone. It became the most booming, chic, vibrant, like, 00:33:18
you know, people go there just to, you know, be able to have a business in that area. So it's well known that it is revitalizing 00:33:26
to economies to have third spaces. I wish we could do more. 00:33:33
PJ Wish we could have a permanent not just for the concert, but. 00:33:41
I I just wanted to say as a, like a logistical thing for the project, I would be in favor of as soon as possible having 00:33:45
stakeholder meetings with people that would be involved because you get a bunch of restaurant owners together. Like we did this 00:33:52
with a cinema. They were saying like, hey to Spotted Duck and Rudolfo's Victorian Corner. And because we're near it, like can we 00:34:00
work out something where we do like food and drink and like, you know, go to the movie, have a dinner, you know, anything. 00:34:07
And people came up with amazing ideas. So I really feel like, you know, just get people in a room and you know, it fits in a lot 00:34:15
with the work of the action plan subcommittee because we're looking at things like we did during the pandemic when we had vouchers 00:34:22
and you know, to like people who that attend could get a voucher to go to a business. And you know, all that kind of interaction 00:34:28
that really stimulates. 00:34:35
Businesses in the area. So I think it's got great potential. 00:34:43
I'll jump in with just a couple of questions that I have. 00:34:52
The initial thought here I'm hearing is. 00:34:57
Propose this for Friday. 00:34:59
1st Friday. 00:35:02
And you've mentioned from that time period of. 00:35:03
Around 4:00 to 6:00 PM. 00:35:08
So in that way, then who are you? 00:35:10
Targeting as the. 00:35:16
Largest potential audience for. 00:35:17
Performances. 00:35:21
I would say families. 00:35:23
What I've heard most about First Fridays. 00:35:25
It's too late in the day for families. It's dinner time for. 00:35:28
And so by making it 4:00 they will be encouraged to come. 00:35:32
Yeah, I like that. I like the fact that, I mean, you could go so many different directions, right? I mean, we all have our own. 00:35:38
Our own taste in music and you know, I'm sure that. 00:35:44
They're first of all I I in hearing this conversation and how this is being proposed. 00:35:48
I think it's important for all of us to remember that these things. 00:35:55
And so we need to get started. 00:35:58
And then we learn as we go and it improves and we assess and we improve and so on. 00:36:01
And the fact that we're able to continue doing. 00:36:07
Over the course of time allows us that opportunity. 00:36:09
I love the idea of having something for families because again, it pays off the promise of those being the hometown. 00:36:13
Specific growth. And so I think that does make an awful lot of sense. 00:36:20
In that way. 00:36:24
Considering the type of performers that would be appropriate for families would be of course the next step and so. 00:36:26
That would all be part of the conversation. 00:36:32
I I'm sure, I'm sure what is it is challenging right? I mean. 00:36:35
Put together my share of events and and sourcing can be. 00:36:40
A challenge, but I do see that we've got a. 00:36:46
Assigned. Do we have that? 00:36:49
Person named yet? Or is it just a budget line item? 00:36:52
So then. 00:36:57
The next question and I don't want to get into the weeds, but. 00:36:59
Just understand. 00:37:03
I'll go ahead and make that announcement then just. 00:42:41
Posterity sake, with the recording we had a technical difficulties apparent, apparently. 00:42:44
I apologize to anyone that's following online. 00:42:50
But we've now reconvened, so we're. 00:42:52
Our conversation around the music series, concert series, and. 00:42:57
Open it up for Commissioner questions and feedback. So, Commissioner Gibbs, you had a question. 00:43:06
Yeah, you know, I said before, I think this is a good idea. I appreciate the. 00:43:12
Everybody's put into it since we're back online. 00:43:16
I don't. I until about a week ago, I didn't know what a third space was. I'm still not sure, so it may be just for people 00:43:20
listening in. 00:43:24
To just a short definition of what that is and why it's. 00:43:28
And and the blue zones, I think it's a great connection. I don't know if you can formalize that, but a lot of people have not 00:43:32
heard of this. And Commissioner Jacobs mentioned Monterey. 00:43:37
The same and then. 00:44:14
So it's basically just like a place in a community. Everyone can go, and the reason they go is to just connect with others. That's 00:44:16
basically as simple as it is. And there's, especially through the pandemic and everything there just haven't. We haven't really 00:44:22
got back to finding those kind of places and there's a lot. 00:44:28
To the everyone's dealing with, so just. 00:44:35
Bringing people together and you know, there's a place that you can go that's in public and you could run into literally anybody 00:44:38
and then. 00:44:42
As far as why it's important, just this little snippet that I took from an article is lack of public gathering places can lead to 00:44:47
decreased community engagement and feeling socially isolated. Without third spaces, individuals are less likely to form 00:44:52
connections with others in their community, leading to a breakdown in social cohesion. So really it just it it creates community 00:44:58
and the kind of community that actually. 00:45:03
Binds a town instead of. 00:45:09
Ripping it apart, I guess. I don't know. I don't know how else to say that. But yeah, it's just an overall positive thing for 00:45:12
everyone in the community to get to know everybody. 00:45:16
Thank you. 00:45:21
Just would like to add, think Italian Piazza or something like that where people just get dressed up and they go out and walk and 00:45:23
they're right in the middle town. You can stop and get a drink if you want to. You can, you know, bump into strangers. You can go 00:45:28
with your friends and it's just, you know, and then you go home. I mean, you just have a chance to mingle. Yeah, well, I like the 00:45:33
connection. 00:45:38
I'd like to hear a little bit more discussion, not now, but later on, making the connection between the event series and 00:45:44
encouraging people to use, you know, downtown restaurants or shopping. 00:45:49
I don't know if that's signage, I don't know if there's something as a scan code or or something, but it would be good to make 00:45:55
that. 00:45:58
Formal connection and then see if it does drive some foot traffic. Dow. 00:46:02
Yeah, and what I had mentioned was whether it's AQR code or just like a list or something at the event. 00:46:06
Businesses that are open, that are in like walking distance, that would be something we'd want to set up as well. 00:46:13
Yeah. 00:46:19
I'll just make one other comment, which is that I think that having a list like that. 00:46:22
So might think, why do you need a list of businesses that are? 00:46:27
It would be very helpful to be able to encourage our businesses to align with the timing of these events. Now because this is 00:46:31
earlier in the day, I think it's going to be much easier. 00:46:36
But a challenge that we do often see is that. 00:46:42
We have an event, it's on a weekend in the early morning or later in the evening, understandably so. Staffing becomes a problem 00:46:46
and so. 00:46:50
What I like about the timing of this is that that maybe is less so of an issue here, but just reinforcing here's who's open and 00:46:55
and to encourage that. 00:47:00
Collaboration between the businesses that are within walking distance is a great idea. 00:47:06
I think this is great. I'm really excited to see where we go with this. 00:47:11
Anything further, Commissioners, before we move on? Anything from city staff questions? 00:47:16
I think it's great you guys came up with a great idea, totally different than what I first thought was going to be. 00:47:22
And I really like the picnic idea, like restaurants can have little baskets. 00:47:29
Good job. 00:47:34
Yeah, I think if I can just say something when it was presented by HDL it was like get a big name like Elton John type big and do 00:47:36
you know spend a lot of money stuff And then we you know Pacific Grove iced it, you know to make it something that we felt our 00:47:42
community needed and that would that the local businesses would benefit from so. 00:47:49
That was the thinking behind that I. 00:47:57
All right. Well, that brings us to the last item on the agenda. And formally it's on the agenda, but I understand that we're just 00:48:01
going to have a brief update from the subcommittee. We have the Small Business Recovery Subcommittee. And Mr. Jacobs, would you 00:48:08
like to just briefly speak to where we stand with that? 00:48:15
Yeah, thank you. So, Commissioner Gibbs, Commissioner Richmond and I met a couple of times and we went through the. 00:48:22
The recommendations made by HDL and we already as a committee approved everything except for the gift card and. 00:48:31
So we we rift on everything. I think it would be fair to say we had some wild brainstorming where it was just like a point of 00:48:41
departure and we kind of. 00:48:45
Umm. 00:48:51
You know, lots of ideas, things that we care about and then we had to kind of scale it back and. 00:48:52
You know, really. 00:48:58
Bring it back to something you know, small so. 00:49:01
We wanted to present a report and we just, you know. 00:49:06
The deadline came up closer than. 00:49:10
You know, we we still had lots of different versions that we didn't actually agree on, so it's gonna have to. 00:49:14
You know be circulated after this meeting but. 00:49:20
You know, really, you all know, we've seen it several times the HDL recommendations and by and large we like all of them and we've 00:49:25
just. 00:49:30
Tweaked them in a way that we felt, you know, supported our local businesses. 00:49:35
So I noticed that people have. 00:49:40
Someone got that? 00:49:46
Is this online? I didn't actually notice it's not posted online, so I believe. 00:49:48
To wait until. OK, Well, I won't. Yeah. Then I won't talk about that. I apologize. It like I say, there was a. 00:49:54
A stop, start, stop, start with getting. 00:50:03
The report ready so, but just I think all you need to know right now is that we are going to try and get it to council as soon as 00:50:05
possible because local businesses are. 00:50:10
Really in need. You just hear anecdotal stories all the time about. 00:50:15
This has been a difficult year for businesses and it's a real shame that we've not actually managed to. I think my first this was 00:50:21
presented over a year ago and so I think our time scale should have been to get it started, you know like in this last spring and 00:50:27
it's it's gone on and I am deeply regretful about that but. 00:50:33
There's both short term urgent things as well as long term things and you'll hear hear more next time. 00:50:40
Would you like to say? 00:50:47
Kelsey. 00:50:50
OK all. 00:50:53
I would, yeah. I mean, I appreciate everybody's hard work. 00:50:56
Just to add to that and from my perspective, I think we. 00:51:03
An agreement on a majority of the things. I don't think there was a whole lot of disagreement on the major things. 00:51:07
And I think we had some really good ideas. I. 00:51:13
And I think hopefully we'll see some of these things come through. I I did have and I don't know, I'm a little gun shy. I'm not 00:51:16
sure it's appropriate to bring up one of the questions that came up as a subcommittee looking at a particular item. Is that 00:51:20
appropriate? 00:51:24
It kind of depends. 00:51:30
Well, I would just ask because it's been discussed with. 00:51:33
Yes. 00:51:36
I don't know what the, I don't know what the answer to that question. I mean we had a report, I didn't know if we had a chance to 00:51:46
make comments or ask questions is. 00:51:50
Is that it's not a committee report or not quite sure how that works. 00:51:55
I think maybe if I can just interpret, it's just not, you know, personal agenda comments but like. 00:52:00
What the agenda of the committee was comments is, is totally germane. So yeah, I didn't have any personal comments. It was just 00:52:07
that I and I would point out I think one of the things in in going back and looking at. 00:52:13
All the items. One of the items which which was didn't exist before is the is the pick pg.org website. 00:52:20
And as far as it goes, it's pretty good. But just a couple comments that from my perspective, I'm not sure anybody else agrees 00:52:28
that it's not a personal comment, but there are specific things on the website that need to be updated. 00:52:34
So for example, there's a map on BG website and the map is from 20/20. It shows the aquarium being closed. It shows other things 00:52:40
that are. It's just out of date. 00:52:46
And it should be updated. There was other aspects of it which are incorrect or not or not complete. 00:52:51
And I think that was one of my big bugaboos, because it's really aimed at an outside audience, it seemed at a commercial audience, 00:52:58
people who have an interest in maybe opening a business or doing business and that's that may be their first impression. It should 00:53:04
be a good impression. I'm not saying it's bad, but when things are out of date or incorrect, it's, you know. 00:53:10
I think it sends the wrong message. So I don't know if anybody else agrees, but that's what I observed on the Pick PG. It is on 00:53:16
the agenda. It is something we talked about fairly extensively and I think we're going to make some comments about that. So thank 00:53:20
you. 00:53:24
OK. So before we open it up and comment formally, we would want to go to public comment or question. 00:53:28
None. OK, Commissioner. 00:53:38
At least be part time working on that because it really. 00:54:42
That job does take a lot more than I think a lot of people think it does. So just someone to be able to actually do that 00:54:46
consistently and keep up with it with the website would be really nice and that was something we had talked about, so. 00:54:52
Just want to throw that in there. 00:54:59
So I'd like to take that to city staff as a question that we previously had. 00:55:00
Paul, who was just here, is helping and our office assistant Annie, who is working remotely right now and we, I think lose her 00:55:11
this month. 00:55:16
Tries to help too. And umm. 00:55:22
I can try working with Paul on some of these things that Kelsey, if you could just e-mail me anything you've noticed that's 00:55:25
frustrating, I would yes. OK, that'd be helpful. I will do that. Maybe what we can do just to ensure that we we were able to move 00:55:30
forward with this. 00:55:35
I'll kind of tie this into an agenda item for the next meeting, but. 00:55:40
We could request from Paul or other city staff. 00:55:44
For a maintenance. 00:55:47
Of the website that would be helpful for us to be able to. 00:55:49
Any further questions? 00:55:55
Questions or comments from city staff before we move on. 00:56:07
Thank you. All right. So that that brings us to good of the order and finished ongoing business. 00:56:11
We. 00:56:17
Items that fishers like to. 00:56:18
Make recommendations for future items. We did just cover off on one for maintenance. Commissioner Marquis much like to thank 00:56:22
Commissioner Gibbs for the cookies. 00:56:28
Yes. 00:56:34
Could we add to the? 00:56:37
Our budget. 00:56:39
Some discussion, an ongoing discussion around that, I agree. 00:56:41
Without having a formal treasurer, I think that it's helpful to just have that reminder everything. So going forward, we'll just 00:56:46
continue that. 00:56:49
I don't mean an accounting of where we are, but what? 00:56:53
Next. 00:56:57
And for what? 00:57:00
And there have been discussions and budget conversations. I know Commissioner Markowitz. 00:57:01
Here's Jenny. 00:57:07
Mr. Richmond. 00:57:09
And then I don't know if that was picked up by the microphone, but Commissioner Jacobs just mentioned the QR code project as well. 00:57:14
I. 00:57:17
And the banners, Commissioner. 00:57:22
And I believe the banners are a part of the small business. 00:57:25
So, OK, so we can talk about that next time? 00:57:31
I believe that, Commissioner Ho. 00:57:34
Was going to mention his project, Is that right? 00:57:37
So. 00:57:42
I'll nominate him in his absence to talk about that. We'll check in to make sure he has an update and then let's not forget that 00:57:43
we do have. 00:57:47
The the current stage of. 00:57:54
Trying to put together a plan for strategic planning as well. And so I will take full responsibility for the fact that I have just 00:57:58
simply not been able to convene that subcommittee, but we'll get working on that. 00:58:04
Commissioner Richmond. 00:58:12
I'm not sure how this works, but maybe it's something we can talk about. Maybe it can be an agenda item. 00:58:14
But something we talked about in one of our subcommittees that now I'm wondering. 00:58:21
Might just be its own thing, So the facade improvement program, Laurel, you said. 00:58:25
Doesn't sound like there's as much traction as there was in the very beginning, maybe because there just aren't as many people 00:58:30
needing things. So maybe I'm just curious if we're the only Commission with a budget and then there's also the first up 00:58:35
improvement program that has some money. 00:58:40
We had talked about how there needs to be a bit more color downtown as far as like landscaping goes. So I wonder if any of the 00:58:46
facade improvement could be our own thoughts and like requests. So I'm not sure how we can discuss that and in what direction 00:58:52
because I know there's a Commission. 00:58:58
Meant for that, what is the Commission called? 00:59:04
The beauty BNRC Yeah, but if they don't have money, maybe they don't realize. 00:59:07
That we have money and the Facade Improvement Program has money. I don't know. I'm just curious. I don't know how that 00:59:13
communication path works, but maybe we can start the conversation somehow. Could we ask city staff? 00:59:18
Mr. Chair through the chair, I think it would be appropriate, since the facade program hasn't had much traction lately, that that 00:59:25
be placed on an agenda for a discussion about its status and what you may want to do. 00:59:35
What options you have, availability available to do other things? 00:59:45
Excellent, fantastic suggestion. 00:59:50
OK, great. Thank you. 00:59:52
Anything further? 00:59:57
Well. 01:00:01
Council member Dory was talking about. 01:00:04
The the joint committee recommendation from as a EDC representative, I don't know if it's for the agenda. 01:00:07
His chief metal loan planning on coming in January and introducing this idea to the E. 01:00:13
If not, we should put it on the agenda and invite her to come do that, or whoever the was. Her idea originally, I think is a good 01:00:19
idea. 01:00:22
Where do we stand with that? 01:00:26
I think that's what he addressed earlier during this, so we're waiting on next steps. 01:00:28
So if that opportunity comes, it'll come from. 01:00:35
And inform us that that's something that I I'm just saying I've been to the Planning Commission and the BRC and they and they had 01:00:40
a presentation those two at least that I was at had a. 01:00:45
About what this was about. And this is a representative from each of the boards and commissions and a joint committee to work on 01:00:51
projects like this, right? This is why I'm thinking about it. 01:00:56
There are things that overlap, things that they're already working on. It's to share information and it's not a Brown Act, 01:01:01
committee or Commission. It is something that meets informally to to to accelerate. 01:01:07
The effectiveness of some of the projects that are going on, so all I know. 01:01:12
Other commissions and boards have had the presentation we have and I'm just asking should we put that formally on the agenda? 01:01:16
That's all I'm asking. The second thing would be. 01:01:22
That. 01:01:25
The the grants and and that is not part of the the HDL update that we have and since we have a budget coming up I would like to 01:01:27
see facing. 01:01:33
What some of the businesses are facing, the peril that they're facing Pacific Grove to reimagine or or think about grants going 01:01:38
forward and create a budget for that. I'd like to see that on the agenda and have a discussion about, you know, who would be 01:01:43
eligible, but even more important, how we would. 01:01:48
Encourage people to. 01:01:55
And have them qualify what the project is. So we go back and make sure that everything was, you know, done the way that they 01:01:57
wanted it to get done. So I recommend putting some grant proposals on the on the agenda. 01:02:03
And maybe in the budget process, Mr. Chair, if I could, I would think the the best place for that is as you approach the new 01:02:11
agenda of the budget. 01:02:16
Should be a part of your overall budget. 01:02:22
And you could then determine what programs and potential costs that you wanted to forward on to the Council for their 01:02:26
consideration. 01:02:32
Good recommendation. Start with the budget first before moving forward. 01:02:38
Strategy wraps the program. 01:02:42
OK. OK, excellent. 01:02:45
Anything further before we adjourn. 01:02:47
All right, it is 50. 01:02:50
We will adjourn this meeting. The next meeting will convey on Thursday, January 4th at 4:00. Thank you for joining us. 01:02:55
Merry Christmas. 01:03:05
Merry Christmas. 01:03:07
Pecora, London. 01:03:08
To the chief. 01:03:11
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Recording progress. 00:00:03
Record the progress. 00:00:15
We are, I believe. 00:00:51
We are all right. It is 40. 00:00:54
And I'm going to go ahead and call this meeting of the Economic Development Commission to order. 00:00:59
Just a quick reminder to everyone, if you make a motion or second, please state your name for the record. Commissioner McMurdo is 00:01:06
not here and so if I could ask anyone to be our secretary for. 00:01:12
Dave Laurel, are you able to take? Yeah, I'll do it. Fantastic. Thank you so much. 00:01:19
OK, let's start with roll. 00:01:23
Please OK, Chair Upman. Present Vice Chair Jacobs. 00:01:25
No, Commissioner. 00:01:32
Commissioner Markowitz, Commissioner Richmond. 00:01:36
Here and Commissioner Venuti. Here. OK, so we have Commissioner Hoops and Commissioner Jacobs. 00:01:39
Absent right now, correcting Commissioner McMurdo is also right, yes. 00:01:47
Category. OK. That takes us to approval of the agenda and just to to formally do this. First let's let's open this up to members 00:01:53
of the public. Is there anybody? 00:01:59
That's attending online that would like to make a comment regarding the agenda that's been. 00:02:05
Posted to. 00:02:10
Website. 00:02:12
Seeing none. 00:02:15
OK, I would like to make a motion to move item 8, the EDC budget report, up to the first item, which would be #6 on the regular 00:02:16
agenda. 00:02:21
And would make them make a motion to approve. 00:02:27
So that agenda. Thank you. 00:02:31
We do a roll call to. 00:02:35
Oh, thank you. 00:02:37
Yeah, OK. So roll call, chair upman. 00:02:39
Hi, Commissioner. 00:02:43
Alright. Commissioner Richmond, aye. Commissioner Venuti, aye. And Commissioner Gibbs, yes. 00:02:46
Motion passes to approve the agenda moving item 8 to item 6/6. 00:02:52
By 520. 00:02:59
Five to zero, with two absent. 00:03:02
That takes us to our Commission and staff announcements. Are there any announcements from the commissioners present or city staff? 00:03:06
Yes. 00:03:16
Pardon me, sorry, your microphone needs to be unmuted. 00:03:19
Thank you. It's good to see everybody. Thanks. The last meeting of the year, if I'm not mistaken. 00:03:23
And I had a presentation prepared. I was inform. 00:03:29
Then, unfortunately it's not appropriate to show the presentation. 00:03:32
I am also aware that the Planning Commission Commissioners. 00:03:36
During their commissioner comments, show pictures and talk about projects that are going on in quality of being one of the tide 00:03:41
pool. So I'm not sure what the rule is, but I would like to get an official ruling. How? That's not commissioner comments. There 00:03:46
were pictures, there was no text really to. 00:03:50
Any of those things, and they were just they went along to illustrate what my comments were. 00:03:56
So I'm not sure how the decision got made or who made it, but. 00:04:01
I'd like to get further explanation on what that's all about. 00:04:06
I see the mayor in the audience. Perhaps he can provide that later. So let me just go back and talk about what I was going to. 00:04:09
Mentioned along with the. 00:04:16
You know, we've been working on a couple of big projects this is all related to. 00:04:17
And I was thinking to myself, what? 00:04:22
What the mission of the EDC is, right? 00:04:26
And somebody said to me yesterday. 00:04:29
Their purpose in life is to find their gift to your mission in life is to give it away. 00:04:32
So it made me think, what's the mission of the EDC? 00:04:37
I'm sure all of you have read. 00:04:40
And paid attention to. 00:04:42
But it is basically we're charged with improving city. 00:04:44
And economic. 00:04:47
Environment by providing A framework for developing and maintaining A viable business community. 00:04:50
Within Pacific Grove, to meet the needs of both the residents and visitors, Al. 00:04:56
Right. So the purpose of this is just to make this even more wonderful place to live. 00:05:01
So we had certain subcommittees working on items including one that point of order. I'm sorry I have to bring this up. 00:05:06
This is general. 00:05:15
Announcements. You're presenting something of information here that's not on the agenda, Mike. You can make an announcement all 00:05:17
you want to, but you're trying, you're bringing in a topic on an announcement. 00:05:23
In front of this Commission. That's not correct. 00:05:30
If you have any specific comments or references that you'd like to make, that's fine, but I do agree that this is extending beyond 00:05:48
that it's it's becoming more of. 00:05:53
So what did somebody tell me what the definition of commissioner comments are if you're on the planning, upcoming events 00:05:58
announcement, things that are happening in the community that you've had, business references? 00:06:03
And So what is the the purpose of the announcement is? Is there a limit? Is there a definition of what an announcement is? 00:06:09
Excuse me, we've been. 00:06:18
As a. 00:06:49
And it's just anyway, I'm sorry. I just find it offensive. Thank you. Thank you. 00:06:50
Do you have any formal announcements that you'd like to cover? 00:06:55
Well, so. 00:06:58
You can stop me again if you like. 00:07:01
I was just going to say that is an announcement, let's just call it that. We're toward the end of the year and I personally think 00:07:04
it's a blessing to live in Pacific. 00:07:07
I'd like to thank you to Jenny and the chamber staff and the volunteers for making Christmas memorable. 00:07:12
Beans Tour was fantastic. They did a wonderful job. It was spectacular to see 7 Gables all lit up with a beach house in Lovers 00:07:17
Point in the background. 00:07:21
What other small town has a Christmas parade, also run by the Chamber of Commerce, where the mayor and the City Council? 00:07:25
March the entire route. They don't write in some fancy car, they get out on foot, and they recognize and greet people by name. 00:07:33
Right, so. 00:07:41
I would just say we should be motivated by these things and the wonderful assets that we have. 00:07:43
The places that we visit on Christmas, the things that are economically viable to the. 00:07:48
I just want to say it was a pleasure working with the Economic Development Commission this year as we move into the second year. 00:07:52
Working with Kelsey and Liz on the subcommittee was was interesting and very informative and I appreciate the hard work that they 00:07:57
put into that. 00:08:02
Right then I was going to go into my images, so I was making an announcement. 00:08:08
Yeah. Thank you. And I don't think if I could just say, I don't think. 00:08:12
To Mr. Markowitz point, I don't think it was offensive. 00:08:17
I don't think it was any of those things. I just couched my announcements in a way. 00:08:20
I wanted to recognize the people they work and how wonderful it is to live in the city. So thank you very much. I would comment to 00:08:26
that. That's that's absolutely fine. 00:08:30
And what you said right now, the things about this city were absolutely great. 00:08:34
And what those were were comments from this board, those were not announcements that's. 00:08:38
Yeah, you know, I'm, I'm just going to take a moment. Although she's not here, I I do want to acknowledge the efforts that 00:08:46
Commissioner McMurdo made and the rest of the. 00:08:52
The City of Pacific Grove. 00:08:59
The business community coming together and all the holiday events that have been going on over this last month and past few weeks. 00:09:01
Have been fantastic. It's so great to see everyone out again. 00:09:11
And it just warms my heart to see the community coming together. So I do want to just acknowledge everyone who's been a part of 00:09:14
that and thank them. 00:09:18
Any further comments from the commissioners before we move forward? 00:09:24
Seeing none. OK, thank you. That brings us to the council liaison announcements. Chair staff has an announcement. Oh, pardon me. 00:09:27
Sorry I skipped over. Staff. Go ahead. 00:09:32
I just would like to introduce our Interim City Manager, Bob Peral. 00:09:38
Welcome. He has a few words for you guys that I think you'll find exciting. Just a couple of quick announcements #1 I'm glad to be 00:09:42
here and and to support your efforts. I did want to let you know that in the past I've been involved in assisting with economic 00:09:53
development strategic planning in two separate communities and I hope you'll be able to take. 00:10:03
Advantage of that service? 00:10:14
I also wanted to announce that the Monterey County Business Council is going to be the hosting agency for the Small Business 00:10:17
Development Center. 00:10:23
And that'll allow them to continue to assist small businesses. 00:10:30
Across to Monterey County, including Pacific Grove, and I've used my discretion to commit about $5000 to assist in that effort. 00:10:37
Those are my announcements. Thank you. 00:10:44
Well, thank you for being here and welcome. It's a pleasure to have you. Thank you. 00:10:52
Encourage, I would say, better communication among the boards and commissions. 00:11:34
One of the action items that will come to this group is essentially volunteering one of you to be part of that group, and that's 00:11:38
going to come in short order, so I just wanted to mention. 00:11:44
Just expect that to be coming to this group in short order and hopefully we can take that forward too. Thank you. 00:11:49
Thank you and just for clarity's sake. 00:11:56
The opportunity to review that request will be coming from whom was city staff or how will we receive that proposal? Typically the 00:12:00
staff liaison will work with the the chief of police has the action, but the staff liaison will work the chief of Police to bring 00:12:06
that to the table. 00:12:13
Thank you. 00:12:20
That brings us to general public comment. I. 00:12:22
We have the mayor joining us. Thank you for being here, but outside of that, no further public is present in the room. Do we have 00:12:25
any comments from? 00:12:29
Online now that we're back to zoom. 00:12:34
I see no hands raised. 00:12:38
And that brings us to approval of the. 00:12:41
Minutes from the November 9th Special. 00:12:45
Were distributed online at cityofvisitorgroup.org. Are there any questions on the minutes from the committee? 00:12:48
Ignition. 00:12:54
I approve the minute I move to approve the minute excell. 00:12:56
We have a second, second thank. 00:12:59
Can we do a roll call vote? 00:13:02
Aye, aye. 00:13:09
Aye, and Commissioner G. 00:13:16
Yes. 00:13:19
Houses 60 with one absent. Thank you very much. That moves us to the regular. 00:13:22
And with the the proposed change in order, that would then bring the first item. 00:13:27
As the EDC Budget report for the 2324 fiscal. 00:13:34
And I'll turn it over to city staff to present. Thank you. 00:13:39
OK. It's a very short report. So you guys were original original budget approved by the City Council for the 2324 fiscal year 00:13:43
which started July 1st was 39,900. 00:13:49
The grant awardees received 20,000 from this budget and so the resulting balance is 19,900 that you have to spend by June 30th. 00:13:56
That concludes my report. Thank you. I think that this would be something that we would love to. I would love to see. 00:14:08
Announced just the status of at each of our following meetings, so that we're all tracking this. Mm-hmm. In addition to that. 00:14:16
If you can provide. 00:14:25
I pardon my ignorance, but a bit more detail on some of the other programs that are part of the EDC. 00:14:27
Umbrella, but not part of our budget. So you also have funds available allocated for the storefront improvement and other things 00:14:34
those do not directly impact. 00:14:39
OK, so the facade program. 00:14:44
Is a separate account. OK, that. 00:14:47
Benefits this committee because it improves our downtown and any actually anywhere in the city now and there is 25,000 for that 00:14:51
budget. 00:14:56
And. 00:15:02
And I don't mean to put you on the spot, so if you need to go back and look, it's fine. But do you have any? 00:15:03
Detail on how much of that available budget has been used to date. 00:15:07
It hasn't been used this this to date. I have a couple applicants that have applied but they are still working on getting the 00:15:12
receipts. 00:15:16
And so that's that's something that we can definitely spread the word about because it's a fantastic opportunity. 00:15:21
Yeah, if you can get the word out. I I've gone around and. 00:15:26
Putting the Flyers through people's. 00:15:30
I don't know. I can tell you personally from from my companies perspective, we're thrilled that that is an opportunity and if 00:15:34
we're able to qualify for that for some of the improvements that we've done with our properties in Visitor Grove, so appreciative 00:15:38
of that. 00:15:42
So currently Lighthouse cinemas and the new brewery where the laundromat is have applied. Excellent, but they haven't. 00:15:47
Completed their work. 00:15:54
Any any further questions? Do you have a jpg or something that you could e-mail us because we could all put it in social media? 00:15:58
Yeah, yeah, that'd be great. Yeah. And I can get our social media person to put it out again, too. That'd be great. OK. Sure. 00:16:06
Before moving on, are there? 00:16:15
Questions or comments from the. 00:16:16
Seeing none OK any further questions or comments from the commissioners Commissioner Brisbane? 00:16:23
I just want to say I. 00:16:29
I was not aware where which budget the $10,000 each to those. 00:16:31
Winners came from, so I'm very disappointed to hear it came out of this year since we made the decision in the last budget 00:16:39
timeline. So considering that money is just kind of like a. 00:16:44
You know, given to us it's not like literal cash dollars that disappears at a certain time of the year. I I would like to think 00:16:50
that someone out there would be interested in a. 00:16:56
Kind of flipping that around and saying that 20,000 from last year just because that means we could actually do that again this 00:17:02
year for another two winners because I would, I don't foresee, I said being able to do that again at least at the same price this 00:17:06
year. 00:17:10
It already came out this year, so just want to throw that. 00:17:15
So if I if I can add to that, I think that strategically the intention here is. 00:17:18
We were able to move forward within the budget that we have available to us and the control that we have over. 00:17:24
If we have additional recommendations that we'd like to bring before council. 00:17:31
Those then can be proposed and request additional funds to support so. 00:17:35
We were operating within. 00:17:40
The budget that we control, but there's certainly no reason why we can't go to council and request additional funding if we have 00:17:42
another. 00:17:46
Is the budget? Is the budget A? Use it or lose it by year end is what we've learned, Yes. 00:17:51
OK. Any further questions before I move on on budget? 00:17:59
Yeah. So in terms of working with the City Council moving forward? 00:18:06
Is it a matter of whatever they decide comes our way or do we make a presentation? 00:18:12
Budget for our committee with projects in mind. 00:18:17
How does that? 00:18:21
If I'm understanding your your question, and I'm by no means an expert in this, but my understanding is that if for instance let's 00:18:22
use the next agenda item, the concert series as an example if if we find that there is cause to approach. 00:18:30
City. 00:18:39
A request for additional funding and we can put forward a proposal as to what we're trying to accomplish. That would be something 00:18:41
we would go before council requests and see if they could support us. 00:18:45
My question is in their budgeting process and maybe the. 00:18:50
Somebody else can tell in the budgeting process, do we make a presentation to them in the spring when they're putting their budget 00:18:55
together to justify whatever we'd like to spend? 00:19:00
And on what? Or is it a matter of well? 00:19:05
This is what will give you do with it, you know, as you will with our approval of course for whatever we decide. So is the number 00:19:08
something we justify? 00:19:12
Is this through the chair? We have council members here that and the mayor. So yeah, sure. So I think this is twofold, right? Like 00:19:19
one. One is you have a you have budget on hand. I think your immediate task is to see how you can spend the budget on hand through 00:19:26
June 30th. But for next year's budget you have an allocated budget that the EDC has and in in yesteryears I have not seen a case 00:19:32
being made saying. 00:19:39
A case being made saying that the budget needs to be allocated for a certain amount, but if you want to, for example, revisit the 00:19:49
budget amount itself. 00:19:54
It certainly makes sense for you to discuss among yourselves. What items do you want to actually? 00:19:59
Pick apart for the budget and consider what that amount needs to be. I can tell you that no matter what what you present, the 00:20:05
Council again debate on the matter. 00:20:10
And the Council will allocate accordingly any kind of budget changes that you make right now. 00:20:16
We'll have to go through a budget amendment exercise through the Council, so I suggest not doing it. 00:20:22
During mid year, just think about what you can do for next year. 00:20:28
Chair. Chair. 00:20:43
This is it is, yes. All right. If I may, please. Thank you. So just to, you know, add on to the comments of Councilmember Padori, 00:20:45
so that the budget process for the year starts about March. 00:20:54
In earnest starts in March on. 00:21:04
For the upcoming and we have modified accrual system which basically means yes, you know use it or lose it sort of thing. The only 00:21:09
thing that gets carried over to the next year are monies for capital improvement projects which I don't think. 00:21:17
Would would apply to the EDC. 00:21:26
And. 00:21:30
Just one other thing to keep in mind. So just the the money's allocated for the EDC. This is the only committee, by the way, that 00:21:31
has an allocated fund for their use, so I. 00:21:38
I would keep that in mind and aside from the the Facade program. 00:21:46
I think the well we've now accumulated all the economic development expenditures in into one accounting and it includes the monies 00:21:54
that go to MCCVB and I was small amount to. 00:22:04
The Monterey County Business Council. 00:22:15
And Mr. Perrault mentioned that and now? 00:22:18
There's another $5000 allocated for the. 00:22:23
Small business advisory. So I believe the total economic expenditure in the budget is on the order of $300,000. So it's. 00:22:29
It's a significant amount of money. Anyhow, just thank you. Thank you. 00:22:41
Helpful. 00:22:46
Before we move on, any further questions, comments? 00:22:49
Well, actually towards the end. 00:22:58
New Agenda? 00:23:02
OK, so that brings us then to the next item on the agenda, the Concert Series subcommittee and an update from. 00:23:04
That subcommittee, Commissioner Richmond, I believe you are heading that, yes. All right. Umm, well. 00:23:12
Our subcommittee. 00:23:20
Commissioner Robin and Vanutie and David Markowitz and myself, we got together a few times because we really wanted to take some 00:23:22
serious action and not just have a million conversations. And we set up a meeting with Katie at the youth center who leads all of 00:23:29
the permitting for the events in the city. So. 00:23:36
Spoke to her. We actually passed a due date of November 30th as far as event applications go, which we didn't realize. 00:23:44
Was a thing, but they said that if we can get them into them by tomorrow, we might be able to still get some something in for 2024 00:23:52
so. 00:23:56
So I'll kind of go over what we kind of figured out and. 00:24:02
The ideas behind that and then the questions I've got at the end for all of us. 00:24:06
So I'm not sure if we talked about this in past meetings, but. 00:24:11
The Chamber had rocking in the Jewel this past year and that went really well. That was in Jewel Park and unfortunately they 00:24:17
aren't going to be doing that again this year. So it wouldn't be in a in collaboration with or anything as far as like they're not 00:24:24
going to have a concert series and we are. So we're kind of going to take over that idea because it already we know it's 00:24:31
successful in that location. So we were hoping for Jewel Park and. 00:24:38
For First Fridays May through September, because we figure if everyone already kind of knows about First Fridays, why not add on 00:24:46
to that and make it a little bit more exciting of just like a whole day of. 00:24:51
Just enjoying our downtown businesses and we were thinking at 4:00 PM to 6:00 PM. So it is a little bit on the earlier side, but 00:24:58
the whole idea behind that would be to kind of. 00:25:03
Hope that after all this music and excitement, you kind of go downtown shopping and getting dinner and that kind of thing. 00:25:10
And we kind of had an idea as well for that to have maybe a list of businesses that we know are open, just so everyone can get an 00:25:17
idea of where they can kind of walk around and maybe with that list too. It kind of invites people to go into stores that weren't, 00:25:22
they didn't realize we're even there. 00:25:27
And something that's very different from what the Chamber did is that we didn't. 00:25:34
This sounds crazy but no vendors, no like food and drink. And because I know the chamber had alcohol as well which means they need 00:25:39
a whole fence and all this stuff so. 00:25:45
That sounds crazy, but there is a reason for it. And the kind of idea that I had brought into this conversation was the idea of 00:25:51
1/3 space. So your first space is home, second space is work, and the third refers to a familiar public spot where you regularly 00:25:58
connect with others, known or unknown, over a shared interest or activity. So often there's no obligation to buy anything. People 00:26:05
from all walks of life can go there and enjoy all the same. 00:26:13
And. 00:26:21
Let's see here. 00:26:22
And this is just something I read. There's quite a few different articles about how this can just improve communities having a 00:26:24
third space, and it would. This article had mentioned lack of public gathering places can lead to decreased community engagement 00:26:30
and feeling socially isolated. Without third spaces, individuals are less likely to form connections with others in their 00:26:37
community, leading to a breakdown in social cohesion. So I just think that's all very important and. 00:26:43
You know, I think there is kind of a disconnect me having come from Michigan and moving here to this area. 00:26:50
And first having my business in Monterey and then over here, I noticed there is a lot of disconnect and I think we could be a lot 00:26:58
closer with each other in our communities and having a third space where you are just free to just be there and connect with 00:27:05
others around you, it's just a really nice thing. So that's kind of the idea of this concert series is just to. 00:27:12
Just create community I guess. Just really simply. 00:27:19
So I have the applications that I almost totally filled out, but there were some questions that I was kind of. 00:27:24
Trying to just I don't know what the answers are so I'm hoping all of you can help me out with this. 00:27:32
I'll name, I'll mention my questions and then maybe public comments. 00:27:38
OK, so first I'm trying to figure out the title of the event series. I don't know if we want to come up with our own name or take 00:27:42
what the Chamber did. That doesn't feel right. I don't want to do that because it is quite a bit different than the next one. 00:27:49
There's a sponsoring organization that has to be put on here. I wanted to confirm with all of us that that. 00:27:55
The E. 00:28:02
Can be. 00:28:04
Person, I'm not really sure. And if so, there's a contact person in that section and maybe. 00:28:05
I don't know if that can be. 00:28:11
So I don't. I'm not sure. So I'm open to discussing who that should be. And then also goes along with that. We would need some 00:28:13
volunteers. I was hoping Jenny would be here today because I I believe that the Chamber would still be interested in being part of 00:28:18
it in some fashion. 00:28:23
And then we've got kind of a budget that. 00:28:29
Is this that got printed out? Is this what you made OK? 00:28:32
We were thinking approximately about $10,000. 00:28:36
For the May through September, each month having a concert. 00:28:41
And honestly that that could even be a little bit over, maybe it's a little under, but I think that's. 00:28:46
Logical numbers. 00:28:51
Yeah, that's. 00:28:54
The summary. 00:28:55
Can I add something? 00:28:57
The idea of no vendors is also key because we didn't want them to be competitive with them with businesses in town. 00:29:01
We didn't want people to get food from an outside vendor. 00:29:10
That's really important and we wanted it to be family oriented. 00:29:13
So no. 00:29:18
So, so I think that's important. The other thing I mean we're going to work more on how we can market this to really encourage 00:29:20
businesses. 00:29:24
Business activity around the concert. I mean, we could ask restaurants to put together, you know, a takeout dinner. 00:29:28
With baskets, you know something to be a jewel park with with their family. 00:29:36
And also marketing. I mean we we really want to get the word out and we're we're depending on Kelsey for social media. 00:29:42
Commissioner Mark Wiz Yeah, just add on this too. Kate Clark was really great when taught us stuff that we never even thought 00:29:53
about. And one of the things we had talked about, you know, police activity, who's going to patrol, security and security and all 00:29:58
that sort of stuff. 00:30:02
And one thing we talked about, you know. 00:30:07
Park do we close the streets like they do for you know farmers Market. We determined that the only St. that would really need to 00:30:10
be closed would be central, just up from the park. Because the whole idea that we want to do is have people attend this concert 00:30:14
and. 00:30:18
Walk right up the hill to downtown and with the street closed makes The Walking just that much easier. The whole idea. 00:30:23
Where we put in this is not money making for us, this is something to open the eyes of the community. 00:30:31
This is what's going on and to do this in conjunction with First Fridays is natural because there's already that event there. So 00:30:37
there's already an awareness of that and we think you know what Kelsey's come up with in these bands and the budget, it's I think 00:30:42
this is a very, very excellent. 00:30:48
Plan and program a program for the people of Pacific Grove and the Third Space. If that's it, that's perfect. 00:30:54
Anything further before we open to comments from the questions, comments from the public and then questions from Commissioners. 00:31:03
This all this budget also assumes. 00:31:12
I think I'm on. 00:31:16
This this program and budget also assumes city sponsorship. 00:31:18
So we'd be going in front of the City Council to ask for that. 00:31:22
I know. Well, he's now knowledgeable. 00:31:27
OK, it looks like we do have one question. 00:31:31
On zoom. 00:31:34
You have. 00:31:36
We'll need to give you permission to talk. 00:31:38
Thank you. The question here is specifically. 00:31:43
Closing off central, Are you talking pretty much where the farmers market is closed on every Monday? 00:31:48
So there'd be a second time and and Central is a pretty central Ave. for transportation, so just wondering. 00:31:56
Thank you. 00:32:07
You it sounds as though the answer is yes. 00:32:09
Natural History Muse. 00:32:14
Next to Sandy the. 00:32:16
Yeah. OK. Let's go ahead and open it up to questions before before we dive into questions. Thank you all. This is fantastic and 00:32:18
I'm excited to see where this goes. 00:32:24
But why don't we open the floor to any questions first? 00:32:30
Mature Jacobs Yeah, thank you so much. So this is brilliant because especially, like, the way you. 00:32:33
Use the concept of third to space because it's under the city of Monterey. Just made a contract with Blue zones which is a 00:32:41
well-being kind of nonprofit and. 00:32:46
They're they base their program on communities that have the highest longevity and they. 00:32:53
Repeat again and again. And the foundation of the program is that when you have a third space, communities live longer. So it's, 00:33:00
you know, vital to well-being and and also. 00:33:05
It's really interesting to me that when you have areas that are pedestrianized, like Boulder, Co for instance, had a very 00:33:11
lackluster, dying business district and they decided to pedestrianize that zone. It became the most booming, chic, vibrant, like, 00:33:18
you know, people go there just to, you know, be able to have a business in that area. So it's well known that it is revitalizing 00:33:26
to economies to have third spaces. I wish we could do more. 00:33:33
PJ Wish we could have a permanent not just for the concert, but. 00:33:41
I I just wanted to say as a, like a logistical thing for the project, I would be in favor of as soon as possible having 00:33:45
stakeholder meetings with people that would be involved because you get a bunch of restaurant owners together. Like we did this 00:33:52
with a cinema. They were saying like, hey to Spotted Duck and Rudolfo's Victorian Corner. And because we're near it, like can we 00:34:00
work out something where we do like food and drink and like, you know, go to the movie, have a dinner, you know, anything. 00:34:07
And people came up with amazing ideas. So I really feel like, you know, just get people in a room and you know, it fits in a lot 00:34:15
with the work of the action plan subcommittee because we're looking at things like we did during the pandemic when we had vouchers 00:34:22
and you know, to like people who that attend could get a voucher to go to a business. And you know, all that kind of interaction 00:34:28
that really stimulates. 00:34:35
Businesses in the area. So I think it's got great potential. 00:34:43
I'll jump in with just a couple of questions that I have. 00:34:52
The initial thought here I'm hearing is. 00:34:57
Propose this for Friday. 00:34:59
1st Friday. 00:35:02
And you've mentioned from that time period of. 00:35:03
Around 4:00 to 6:00 PM. 00:35:08
So in that way, then who are you? 00:35:10
Targeting as the. 00:35:16
Largest potential audience for. 00:35:17
Performances. 00:35:21
I would say families. 00:35:23
What I've heard most about First Fridays. 00:35:25
It's too late in the day for families. It's dinner time for. 00:35:28
And so by making it 4:00 they will be encouraged to come. 00:35:32
Yeah, I like that. I like the fact that, I mean, you could go so many different directions, right? I mean, we all have our own. 00:35:38
Our own taste in music and you know, I'm sure that. 00:35:44
They're first of all I I in hearing this conversation and how this is being proposed. 00:35:48
I think it's important for all of us to remember that these things. 00:35:55
And so we need to get started. 00:35:58
And then we learn as we go and it improves and we assess and we improve and so on. 00:36:01
And the fact that we're able to continue doing. 00:36:07
Over the course of time allows us that opportunity. 00:36:09
I love the idea of having something for families because again, it pays off the promise of those being the hometown. 00:36:13
Specific growth. And so I think that does make an awful lot of sense. 00:36:20
In that way. 00:36:24
Considering the type of performers that would be appropriate for families would be of course the next step and so. 00:36:26
That would all be part of the conversation. 00:36:32
I I'm sure, I'm sure what is it is challenging right? I mean. 00:36:35
Put together my share of events and and sourcing can be. 00:36:40
A challenge, but I do see that we've got a. 00:36:46
Assigned. Do we have that? 00:36:49
Person named yet? Or is it just a budget line item? 00:36:52
So then. 00:36:57
The next question and I don't want to get into the weeds, but. 00:36:59
Just understand. 00:37:03
I'll go ahead and make that announcement then just. 00:42:41
Posterity sake, with the recording we had a technical difficulties apparent, apparently. 00:42:44
I apologize to anyone that's following online. 00:42:50
But we've now reconvened, so we're. 00:42:52
Our conversation around the music series, concert series, and. 00:42:57
Open it up for Commissioner questions and feedback. So, Commissioner Gibbs, you had a question. 00:43:06
Yeah, you know, I said before, I think this is a good idea. I appreciate the. 00:43:12
Everybody's put into it since we're back online. 00:43:16
I don't. I until about a week ago, I didn't know what a third space was. I'm still not sure, so it may be just for people 00:43:20
listening in. 00:43:24
To just a short definition of what that is and why it's. 00:43:28
And and the blue zones, I think it's a great connection. I don't know if you can formalize that, but a lot of people have not 00:43:32
heard of this. And Commissioner Jacobs mentioned Monterey. 00:43:37
The same and then. 00:44:14
So it's basically just like a place in a community. Everyone can go, and the reason they go is to just connect with others. That's 00:44:16
basically as simple as it is. And there's, especially through the pandemic and everything there just haven't. We haven't really 00:44:22
got back to finding those kind of places and there's a lot. 00:44:28
To the everyone's dealing with, so just. 00:44:35
Bringing people together and you know, there's a place that you can go that's in public and you could run into literally anybody 00:44:38
and then. 00:44:42
As far as why it's important, just this little snippet that I took from an article is lack of public gathering places can lead to 00:44:47
decreased community engagement and feeling socially isolated. Without third spaces, individuals are less likely to form 00:44:52
connections with others in their community, leading to a breakdown in social cohesion. So really it just it it creates community 00:44:58
and the kind of community that actually. 00:45:03
Binds a town instead of. 00:45:09
Ripping it apart, I guess. I don't know. I don't know how else to say that. But yeah, it's just an overall positive thing for 00:45:12
everyone in the community to get to know everybody. 00:45:16
Thank you. 00:45:21
Just would like to add, think Italian Piazza or something like that where people just get dressed up and they go out and walk and 00:45:23
they're right in the middle town. You can stop and get a drink if you want to. You can, you know, bump into strangers. You can go 00:45:28
with your friends and it's just, you know, and then you go home. I mean, you just have a chance to mingle. Yeah, well, I like the 00:45:33
connection. 00:45:38
I'd like to hear a little bit more discussion, not now, but later on, making the connection between the event series and 00:45:44
encouraging people to use, you know, downtown restaurants or shopping. 00:45:49
I don't know if that's signage, I don't know if there's something as a scan code or or something, but it would be good to make 00:45:55
that. 00:45:58
Formal connection and then see if it does drive some foot traffic. Dow. 00:46:02
Yeah, and what I had mentioned was whether it's AQR code or just like a list or something at the event. 00:46:06
Businesses that are open, that are in like walking distance, that would be something we'd want to set up as well. 00:46:13
Yeah. 00:46:19
I'll just make one other comment, which is that I think that having a list like that. 00:46:22
So might think, why do you need a list of businesses that are? 00:46:27
It would be very helpful to be able to encourage our businesses to align with the timing of these events. Now because this is 00:46:31
earlier in the day, I think it's going to be much easier. 00:46:36
But a challenge that we do often see is that. 00:46:42
We have an event, it's on a weekend in the early morning or later in the evening, understandably so. Staffing becomes a problem 00:46:46
and so. 00:46:50
What I like about the timing of this is that that maybe is less so of an issue here, but just reinforcing here's who's open and 00:46:55
and to encourage that. 00:47:00
Collaboration between the businesses that are within walking distance is a great idea. 00:47:06
I think this is great. I'm really excited to see where we go with this. 00:47:11
Anything further, Commissioners, before we move on? Anything from city staff questions? 00:47:16
I think it's great you guys came up with a great idea, totally different than what I first thought was going to be. 00:47:22
And I really like the picnic idea, like restaurants can have little baskets. 00:47:29
Good job. 00:47:34
Yeah, I think if I can just say something when it was presented by HDL it was like get a big name like Elton John type big and do 00:47:36
you know spend a lot of money stuff And then we you know Pacific Grove iced it, you know to make it something that we felt our 00:47:42
community needed and that would that the local businesses would benefit from so. 00:47:49
That was the thinking behind that I. 00:47:57
All right. Well, that brings us to the last item on the agenda. And formally it's on the agenda, but I understand that we're just 00:48:01
going to have a brief update from the subcommittee. We have the Small Business Recovery Subcommittee. And Mr. Jacobs, would you 00:48:08
like to just briefly speak to where we stand with that? 00:48:15
Yeah, thank you. So, Commissioner Gibbs, Commissioner Richmond and I met a couple of times and we went through the. 00:48:22
The recommendations made by HDL and we already as a committee approved everything except for the gift card and. 00:48:31
So we we rift on everything. I think it would be fair to say we had some wild brainstorming where it was just like a point of 00:48:41
departure and we kind of. 00:48:45
Umm. 00:48:51
You know, lots of ideas, things that we care about and then we had to kind of scale it back and. 00:48:52
You know, really. 00:48:58
Bring it back to something you know, small so. 00:49:01
We wanted to present a report and we just, you know. 00:49:06
The deadline came up closer than. 00:49:10
You know, we we still had lots of different versions that we didn't actually agree on, so it's gonna have to. 00:49:14
You know be circulated after this meeting but. 00:49:20
You know, really, you all know, we've seen it several times the HDL recommendations and by and large we like all of them and we've 00:49:25
just. 00:49:30
Tweaked them in a way that we felt, you know, supported our local businesses. 00:49:35
So I noticed that people have. 00:49:40
Someone got that? 00:49:46
Is this online? I didn't actually notice it's not posted online, so I believe. 00:49:48
To wait until. OK, Well, I won't. Yeah. Then I won't talk about that. I apologize. It like I say, there was a. 00:49:54
A stop, start, stop, start with getting. 00:50:03
The report ready so, but just I think all you need to know right now is that we are going to try and get it to council as soon as 00:50:05
possible because local businesses are. 00:50:10
Really in need. You just hear anecdotal stories all the time about. 00:50:15
This has been a difficult year for businesses and it's a real shame that we've not actually managed to. I think my first this was 00:50:21
presented over a year ago and so I think our time scale should have been to get it started, you know like in this last spring and 00:50:27
it's it's gone on and I am deeply regretful about that but. 00:50:33
There's both short term urgent things as well as long term things and you'll hear hear more next time. 00:50:40
Would you like to say? 00:50:47
Kelsey. 00:50:50
OK all. 00:50:53
I would, yeah. I mean, I appreciate everybody's hard work. 00:50:56
Just to add to that and from my perspective, I think we. 00:51:03
An agreement on a majority of the things. I don't think there was a whole lot of disagreement on the major things. 00:51:07
And I think we had some really good ideas. I. 00:51:13
And I think hopefully we'll see some of these things come through. I I did have and I don't know, I'm a little gun shy. I'm not 00:51:16
sure it's appropriate to bring up one of the questions that came up as a subcommittee looking at a particular item. Is that 00:51:20
appropriate? 00:51:24
It kind of depends. 00:51:30
Well, I would just ask because it's been discussed with. 00:51:33
Yes. 00:51:36
I don't know what the, I don't know what the answer to that question. I mean we had a report, I didn't know if we had a chance to 00:51:46
make comments or ask questions is. 00:51:50
Is that it's not a committee report or not quite sure how that works. 00:51:55
I think maybe if I can just interpret, it's just not, you know, personal agenda comments but like. 00:52:00
What the agenda of the committee was comments is, is totally germane. So yeah, I didn't have any personal comments. It was just 00:52:07
that I and I would point out I think one of the things in in going back and looking at. 00:52:13
All the items. One of the items which which was didn't exist before is the is the pick pg.org website. 00:52:20
And as far as it goes, it's pretty good. But just a couple comments that from my perspective, I'm not sure anybody else agrees 00:52:28
that it's not a personal comment, but there are specific things on the website that need to be updated. 00:52:34
So for example, there's a map on BG website and the map is from 20/20. It shows the aquarium being closed. It shows other things 00:52:40
that are. It's just out of date. 00:52:46
And it should be updated. There was other aspects of it which are incorrect or not or not complete. 00:52:51
And I think that was one of my big bugaboos, because it's really aimed at an outside audience, it seemed at a commercial audience, 00:52:58
people who have an interest in maybe opening a business or doing business and that's that may be their first impression. It should 00:53:04
be a good impression. I'm not saying it's bad, but when things are out of date or incorrect, it's, you know. 00:53:10
I think it sends the wrong message. So I don't know if anybody else agrees, but that's what I observed on the Pick PG. It is on 00:53:16
the agenda. It is something we talked about fairly extensively and I think we're going to make some comments about that. So thank 00:53:20
you. 00:53:24
OK. So before we open it up and comment formally, we would want to go to public comment or question. 00:53:28
None. OK, Commissioner. 00:53:38
At least be part time working on that because it really. 00:54:42
That job does take a lot more than I think a lot of people think it does. So just someone to be able to actually do that 00:54:46
consistently and keep up with it with the website would be really nice and that was something we had talked about, so. 00:54:52
Just want to throw that in there. 00:54:59
So I'd like to take that to city staff as a question that we previously had. 00:55:00
Paul, who was just here, is helping and our office assistant Annie, who is working remotely right now and we, I think lose her 00:55:11
this month. 00:55:16
Tries to help too. And umm. 00:55:22
I can try working with Paul on some of these things that Kelsey, if you could just e-mail me anything you've noticed that's 00:55:25
frustrating, I would yes. OK, that'd be helpful. I will do that. Maybe what we can do just to ensure that we we were able to move 00:55:30
forward with this. 00:55:35
I'll kind of tie this into an agenda item for the next meeting, but. 00:55:40
We could request from Paul or other city staff. 00:55:44
For a maintenance. 00:55:47
Of the website that would be helpful for us to be able to. 00:55:49
Any further questions? 00:55:55
Questions or comments from city staff before we move on. 00:56:07
Thank you. All right. So that that brings us to good of the order and finished ongoing business. 00:56:11
We. 00:56:17
Items that fishers like to. 00:56:18
Make recommendations for future items. We did just cover off on one for maintenance. Commissioner Marquis much like to thank 00:56:22
Commissioner Gibbs for the cookies. 00:56:28
Yes. 00:56:34
Could we add to the? 00:56:37
Our budget. 00:56:39
Some discussion, an ongoing discussion around that, I agree. 00:56:41
Without having a formal treasurer, I think that it's helpful to just have that reminder everything. So going forward, we'll just 00:56:46
continue that. 00:56:49
I don't mean an accounting of where we are, but what? 00:56:53
Next. 00:56:57
And for what? 00:57:00
And there have been discussions and budget conversations. I know Commissioner Markowitz. 00:57:01
Here's Jenny. 00:57:07
Mr. Richmond. 00:57:09
And then I don't know if that was picked up by the microphone, but Commissioner Jacobs just mentioned the QR code project as well. 00:57:14
I. 00:57:17
And the banners, Commissioner. 00:57:22
And I believe the banners are a part of the small business. 00:57:25
So, OK, so we can talk about that next time? 00:57:31
I believe that, Commissioner Ho. 00:57:34
Was going to mention his project, Is that right? 00:57:37
So. 00:57:42
I'll nominate him in his absence to talk about that. We'll check in to make sure he has an update and then let's not forget that 00:57:43
we do have. 00:57:47
The the current stage of. 00:57:54
Trying to put together a plan for strategic planning as well. And so I will take full responsibility for the fact that I have just 00:57:58
simply not been able to convene that subcommittee, but we'll get working on that. 00:58:04
Commissioner Richmond. 00:58:12
I'm not sure how this works, but maybe it's something we can talk about. Maybe it can be an agenda item. 00:58:14
But something we talked about in one of our subcommittees that now I'm wondering. 00:58:21
Might just be its own thing, So the facade improvement program, Laurel, you said. 00:58:25
Doesn't sound like there's as much traction as there was in the very beginning, maybe because there just aren't as many people 00:58:30
needing things. So maybe I'm just curious if we're the only Commission with a budget and then there's also the first up 00:58:35
improvement program that has some money. 00:58:40
We had talked about how there needs to be a bit more color downtown as far as like landscaping goes. So I wonder if any of the 00:58:46
facade improvement could be our own thoughts and like requests. So I'm not sure how we can discuss that and in what direction 00:58:52
because I know there's a Commission. 00:58:58
Meant for that, what is the Commission called? 00:59:04
The beauty BNRC Yeah, but if they don't have money, maybe they don't realize. 00:59:07
That we have money and the Facade Improvement Program has money. I don't know. I'm just curious. I don't know how that 00:59:13
communication path works, but maybe we can start the conversation somehow. Could we ask city staff? 00:59:18
Mr. Chair through the chair, I think it would be appropriate, since the facade program hasn't had much traction lately, that that 00:59:25
be placed on an agenda for a discussion about its status and what you may want to do. 00:59:35
What options you have, availability available to do other things? 00:59:45
Excellent, fantastic suggestion. 00:59:50
OK, great. Thank you. 00:59:52
Anything further? 00:59:57
Well. 01:00:01
Council member Dory was talking about. 01:00:04
The the joint committee recommendation from as a EDC representative, I don't know if it's for the agenda. 01:00:07
His chief metal loan planning on coming in January and introducing this idea to the E. 01:00:13
If not, we should put it on the agenda and invite her to come do that, or whoever the was. Her idea originally, I think is a good 01:00:19
idea. 01:00:22
Where do we stand with that? 01:00:26
I think that's what he addressed earlier during this, so we're waiting on next steps. 01:00:28
So if that opportunity comes, it'll come from. 01:00:35
And inform us that that's something that I I'm just saying I've been to the Planning Commission and the BRC and they and they had 01:00:40
a presentation those two at least that I was at had a. 01:00:45
About what this was about. And this is a representative from each of the boards and commissions and a joint committee to work on 01:00:51
projects like this, right? This is why I'm thinking about it. 01:00:56
There are things that overlap, things that they're already working on. It's to share information and it's not a Brown Act, 01:01:01
committee or Commission. It is something that meets informally to to to accelerate. 01:01:07
The effectiveness of some of the projects that are going on, so all I know. 01:01:12
Other commissions and boards have had the presentation we have and I'm just asking should we put that formally on the agenda? 01:01:16
That's all I'm asking. The second thing would be. 01:01:22
That. 01:01:25
The the grants and and that is not part of the the HDL update that we have and since we have a budget coming up I would like to 01:01:27
see facing. 01:01:33
What some of the businesses are facing, the peril that they're facing Pacific Grove to reimagine or or think about grants going 01:01:38
forward and create a budget for that. I'd like to see that on the agenda and have a discussion about, you know, who would be 01:01:43
eligible, but even more important, how we would. 01:01:48
Encourage people to. 01:01:55
And have them qualify what the project is. So we go back and make sure that everything was, you know, done the way that they 01:01:57
wanted it to get done. So I recommend putting some grant proposals on the on the agenda. 01:02:03
And maybe in the budget process, Mr. Chair, if I could, I would think the the best place for that is as you approach the new 01:02:11
agenda of the budget. 01:02:16
Should be a part of your overall budget. 01:02:22
And you could then determine what programs and potential costs that you wanted to forward on to the Council for their 01:02:26
consideration. 01:02:32
Good recommendation. Start with the budget first before moving forward. 01:02:38
Strategy wraps the program. 01:02:42
OK. OK, excellent. 01:02:45
Anything further before we adjourn. 01:02:47
All right, it is 50. 01:02:50
We will adjourn this meeting. The next meeting will convey on Thursday, January 4th at 4:00. Thank you for joining us. 01:02:55
Merry Christmas. 01:03:05
Merry Christmas. 01:03:07
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