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To call the special meeting of the Historic Resources Committee to order on December on Wednesday, November 15th, 2023. | 00:00:00 | |
And may we start with A roll call. | 00:00:10 | |
Chair Anton. | 00:00:15 | |
Vice chair. | 00:00:18 | |
Member Greeny. | 00:00:21 | |
Member Grannis. | 00:00:23 | |
Member BE. | 00:00:26 | |
All committee members are present. We have a quorum. | 00:00:28 | |
Thank you very much. | 00:00:31 | |
And. | 00:00:34 | |
Item number two, approval of the agenda. | 00:00:34 | |
May we have. | 00:00:38 | |
Motion to approve the agenda. | 00:00:39 | |
2nd. | 00:00:44 | |
I. | 00:00:46 | |
We have a roll call. Please. No second please. | 00:00:49 | |
The second was over here, both of us. | 00:00:53 | |
I'll second it. | 00:00:58 | |
Never. | 00:01:05 | |
No, you're voting on agenda. Oh, sorry, yes. | 00:01:07 | |
Vice chair steers. | 00:01:12 | |
Chair Anton. | 00:01:16 | |
Remember Greening? | 00:01:18 | |
Member Bickett. | 00:01:21 | |
Five Eyes 0. | 00:01:24 | |
Motion passes. | 00:01:27 | |
Thank you. And item 3, committee and staff announcements. And let me ask staffers, do you have any announcements? | 00:01:30 | |
Staff has no announcements this time. And how about from the committee any announcements? | 00:01:39 | |
Seeing none, we'll move on to item. | 00:01:45 | |
Council liaison announcements, Do we have any announcements? | 00:01:48 | |
Mayor Peak. | 00:01:53 | |
Good afternoon, Chair and committee members. So nice to see you all here. | 00:01:58 | |
Thank you for being here. Just a few announcements. Our Interim City Manager, Bob Peralt. | 00:02:03 | |
Is is working? | 00:02:11 | |
Is in his office working perhaps as we speak and I, I don't know last month we announced that Lou. | 00:02:15 | |
Is that it was announced already. OK, good. And then so a few recent items from council. | 00:02:24 | |
We're now working through the documents, approving the documents for across the board on the staff. | 00:02:33 | |
Compensation raises a 3% COLA cost of living allowance for each of this year in the next two years. | 00:02:41 | |
We also. | 00:02:51 | |
Did first reading on a cannabis ordinance. | 00:02:53 | |
And that would be 1 retail and the six cycle housing element was sent off to Sacramento. | 00:02:58 | |
For their stamp of approval. | 00:03:08 | |
Their requests for adjustments we'll we'll see. We'll see what happens and on tonight's agenda. | 00:03:11 | |
We have the skate park. | 00:03:20 | |
The recreation board came back with some recommendations and and staff recommendations and we're going to be talking about Zoom | 00:03:24 | |
callers. | 00:03:28 | |
Stay tuned. | 00:03:35 | |
Thank. | 00:03:37 | |
And. | 00:03:41 | |
Abuse you. | 00:03:43 | |
Tonight. | 00:03:45 | |
All right, I'm moving to item 5, which is general public comment. | 00:03:48 | |
And do we have any members of the audience that would like to make a comment? I see none. | 00:03:52 | |
So with that I will close. | 00:03:59 | |
Public comment and go to the consent agenda. I would like to move. | 00:04:03 | |
7A to the end of our today's agenda, just for a minor correction. | 00:04:11 | |
Umm. | 00:04:18 | |
I'll be so minor we don't really need to do this, but we'll do it that way. | 00:04:21 | |
I. | 00:04:25 | |
Would anybody else like to pull an item from the consent agenda? | 00:04:27 | |
Seeing none, may we have a motion to approve the consent agenda with with item 7A, which will now become the new 8. | 00:04:34 | |
Let me have a motion, please. | 00:04:48 | |
A. | 00:04:51 | |
I meant that we do the consent agenda with. | 00:04:54 | |
Con. | 00:05:00 | |
Sorry, can't talk with 7. | 00:05:02 | |
Can we have a second please Second. | 00:05:11 | |
Remember Beckett? Yes. | 00:05:20 | |
Chair. | 00:05:24 | |
Vice chair. | 00:05:27 | |
Yes. | 00:05:28 | |
Remember Greening? | 00:05:30 | |
We have Five Eyes, 0 nays, motion passes. | 00:05:33 | |
Thank you. We'll now move to the regular agenda. | 00:05:38 | |
We're on item 8A, Architectural permit 23-0278. | 00:05:43 | |
For 2229 Grand Ave. may we have a staff report, please? Yes, ma'am. Good afternoon, Chair Anton and committee members. This is | 00:05:50 | |
Architectural permit 2-3, dash 20278. | 00:05:57 | |
The subject property is approximately 10,804 square feet. | 00:06:05 | |
And developed with an existing 10,564 square foot, one Storey commercial building. It includes a storage business, retail clothing | 00:06:10 | |
store and retail liquor alcohol store with a deli. | 00:06:16 | |
The property is located within the cities area of special biological significance is not in the coastal zone or in an | 00:06:23 | |
archaeologically sensitive area. | 00:06:28 | |
The subject is not listed on the Historic Resources Inventory, however Phase One Historic Resource Assessment. | 00:06:33 | |
Conducted by Historic Resources Associates on October 4th, concluded that due to the building's date of construction, its | 00:06:39 | |
architectural integrity and association with a variety of individuals and businesses in downtown Pacific Grove during the 20th | 00:06:44 | |
century. | 00:06:49 | |
It is the opinion of Dana Supernova. It's the historian. | 00:06:56 | |
That he recommended that property is worthy of listing on the City's historic register under the California Register of Historic | 00:07:00 | |
Resources under criterion 3, the National Register of Historic Places under Criterion C, and the City of Pacific Grove. Criteria | 00:07:06 | |
for listing a history of property under criterion AD and H principally for its importance reflecting the theme of Mint and Revival | 00:07:12 | |
commercial architecture. | 00:07:18 | |
The project description is it includes minimal exterior upgrades, including the installation of a new and additional wood sash | 00:07:25 | |
front entrance and with matching windows to what's existing, matching the existing door and windows to the northwest corner of the | 00:07:32 | |
building on Grand Ave. and replacement of a single. | 00:07:39 | |
Steel door with a new double steel door to the entrance on the southeast corner of the building on Laurel Ave. | 00:07:46 | |
Again, these are minor upgrades. No changes to roof lines, just all. | 00:07:53 | |
Specifically these. | 00:08:00 | |
The subject property is located between Grand Ave. and Fountain Ave. and it's adjacent adjacent to Laurel Ave. the downtown | 00:08:03 | |
commercial zoning district. | 00:08:07 | |
With without having specific design guidelines for our commercial district, I have used our general plan as references. | 00:08:14 | |
For our findings in this and it the General Plan Land Use Policy 20 is a focus to city and private efforts on improvements in a | 00:08:25 | |
comprehensive strategy to enhance downtown and Policy 21 to upgrade visual quality of streets in the downtown District. | 00:08:34 | |
Staff recommends A Historic Resource Committee approve AP23-0278 Subjective Findings, Conditions of Approval and Sequel Guidelines | 00:08:43 | |
Section 15301, Class One Category Categorical Exemption for Existing facilities. I'm here for any questions. Thank you very much. | 00:08:53 | |
And thank you very much, Aram. | 00:09:03 | |
Applicant or the architect like to speak. | 00:09:07 | |
Thank you for. | 00:09:13 | |
Mr. Anton and members of the HRC, thank you for holding this special meeting today. I understand. | 00:09:19 | |
We're doing that because of the Thanksgiving holiday next week. | 00:09:26 | |
I appreciate being here before the holiday. | 00:09:30 | |
It's so you We have before us the facade along Grand Ave. which I consider to be the more important facade, and the changes we are | 00:09:34 | |
making to what currently is a retail space. | 00:09:41 | |
My intention was to try to playoff of the fenestration of the liquor store. | 00:09:50 | |
Adjacent to this retail. | 00:09:56 | |
Coming up with a pretty simple arrangement of doors and windows with transoms above. | 00:10:01 | |
A little room for signage for these two new office spaces. | 00:10:08 | |
And that's about it. And it's my opinion that. | 00:10:12 | |
Current fenestration of that retail space. | 00:10:18 | |
May not be original to the building anyways, is there? | 00:10:22 | |
Um. | 00:10:28 | |
Odd looking jealousies that I would assume were added at a later date, so I might. | 00:10:29 | |
Content that what we are upgrading here is not part of the original facade anyways, and my intention is to kind of bring it more | 00:10:36 | |
back to the style that was original reflected with the liquor store adjacent to it. | 00:10:42 | |
That's the most significant change that I believe the HRC should be concerned with today. | 00:10:49 | |
Minor consideration would be along Laurel Ave. the primary entrance into the existing storage facility we would like to. | 00:10:58 | |
Increase this the width of the current door from a single leaf door to a pair of steel doors. That opening would be punched into | 00:11:09 | |
AT111 plywood. | 00:11:15 | |
Infill wall that is not part of the original board form concrete. | 00:11:23 | |
Construction either. So again, I don't really see that as. | 00:11:28 | |
Deteriorating the original historic fabric, the building, because it's already been. | 00:11:35 | |
In filled with something more from the 70s I would, I would guess, yeah T1-11 so not not particularly precious facade right there. | 00:11:40 | |
So. | 00:11:45 | |
That about sums it up. It's a pretty simple project and I'm here if you have any questions. | 00:11:51 | |
I think you sort of answered this question already. I was curious about 229-B which is currently the retail the Nest Store. And I | 00:12:01 | |
was, I was curious as to what because I could tell obviously a renovation happened there because they got rid of the transom | 00:12:08 | |
windows and then I was curious as to when that happened, but I think you don't know when that happened either. | 00:12:16 | |
But. | 00:12:24 | |
It was just my observation that it did not appear to be part of the original fenestration with the funny jealousies and so forth. | 00:12:26 | |
And so I wasn't. | 00:12:29 | |
Too concerned about tearing into that opening and trying to bring it back into. | 00:12:33 | |
The style, what I assume is the more of the original fenestration with the liquor store adjacent to it, so. | 00:12:39 | |
Consider it to be a little bit of an upgrade. Hopefully and hopefully you agree I. | 00:12:46 | |
And then again, the minor modification along Laurel is is a pretty trivial adjustment to the facade as well. | 00:12:51 | |
Any other? | 00:12:58 | |
Yes, I just had one the roof line. Pardon me. | 00:12:59 | |
Pardon me? | 00:13:04 | |
We need to finish. | 00:13:06 | |
The speech 1st and then go to public comment. Public comment. Oh, sorry. | 00:13:07 | |
But to be clear, there is no modification to the roof line if that if that answers your question. | 00:13:15 | |
And I'll sit down. | 00:13:19 | |
Stay tuned, I would like to open now for public comment. | 00:13:25 | |
However, looking at the audience, I would guess that we probably have none. | 00:13:30 | |
So I'll close public comment and now. | 00:13:35 | |
Or HRC discuss. | 00:13:38 | |
So any. | 00:13:42 | |
My office for almost 30 years was right next door. | 00:13:44 | |
227. | 00:13:49 | |
So I'm very familiar with the building and you're right, it's been the windows and doors have been mushed around a little bit a | 00:13:52 | |
couple of times since then. | 00:13:55 | |
So Shavas used to own that building I guess and. | 00:14:00 | |
Yeah. | 00:14:06 | |
We messed around with the storage capacities and so forth, so yeah, you're right. I don't think there's anything there that is. | 00:14:08 | |
Rigidly historic. | 00:14:16 | |
But the mention in the application of two to seven. | 00:14:19 | |
Is sort of odd because it's a different building. Why is it mentioned in there? Could you come back to the podium then if we're | 00:14:28 | |
going to have questions? | 00:14:32 | |
Thank you. And and the other part of that is there's a mention of the bowling alley. | 00:14:37 | |
They're saying in in Dana Supernowitz's report that this was. | 00:14:43 | |
At one time, a bowling alley. The bowling alley. | 00:14:49 | |
Was it 227, not 22? | 00:14:53 | |
And I know that because the floor of the bowling alley was my office. | 00:14:57 | |
And the guy that owned. | 00:15:02 | |
He used to come by and look at it and go, Oh yeah, I did that repair on that. So I know it was the original. Well, I think that | 00:15:05 | |
that should be addressed in the historic report if that's the case. And I, I want to argue with you, Rick, you in this town a long | 00:15:11 | |
time. I want to make sure that there's the report, the permits, that whatever. | 00:15:18 | |
Permits that get issued or issued for 229 and when you mentioned 227 grand, is that in my drawing set or is that in the the | 00:15:25 | |
Historians report? | 00:15:30 | |
It's in the historians report sometimes the maps I will push together I will bring this forward with Dana it's an error on his end | 00:15:35 | |
I I and so it would be appropriate for him to correct it and and it could be just wasn't never clear in the in. | 00:15:44 | |
I remember when your office was was in the adjacent building down the hallway and. | 00:15:55 | |
So that was the bowling alley. | 00:16:02 | |
Yes, OK. I mean, Dana told me he thought this was the bowling alley, but clearly he was wrong. If if you know where the bowling | 00:16:04 | |
alley floor was, then I'm not going to. A lot of people used to come and go. Didn't this used to be a bowling alley? You know, not | 00:16:09 | |
just me. | 00:16:13 | |
OK. So that should be corrected in Denny's report. Yeah, OK. Seems fair enough. | 00:16:20 | |
Are there other questions for Hun? | 00:16:25 | |
Just confirm it is Dana's letter that says 227 to 229 grand. | 00:16:28 | |
I will bring that forward with Dana and we'll get that adjusted in his report. I do have just a question when I look at the front | 00:16:34 | |
of the building and I'm Speaking of the the Grand Ave. side. | 00:16:39 | |
When you see the the central area that. | 00:16:45 | |
The windows up above the big windows. I'm not sure what the right term is. | 00:16:49 | |
Pardon me, I would call them transom windows. The transom windows, thank you. Why would you not line up the ones AT2I presume | 00:16:55 | |
that's 227. Why not line those transit windows up with the others? Is it because of the elevation change it would interface with | 00:17:00 | |
the? | 00:17:06 | |
The. | 00:17:13 | |
Floor of the the new storage proposed storage inside so it would it would interfere with that and and. | 00:17:15 | |
So we're trying to keep the the windows down below that to the best of our ability. At the same time, I'm trying to match the | 00:17:21 | |
style of those transoms because I thought they were charming. | 00:17:27 | |
To answer your question, if we raised things up higher we would have a conflict between the proposed structure which will be | 00:17:37 | |
inside. You won't see that but it's it's a consideration for where we set the elevation of the windows. I mean it's it's not a | 00:17:43 | |
huge thing but when I look at the side, you know all the windows line up and then I look at the front and then it drops down and I | 00:17:49 | |
kind of just wondered why that was. Well there is a, there is a good reason and it just it just doesn't work with with what we're | 00:17:55 | |
trying to do inside understand so. | 00:18:01 | |
I was trying to you know, I was trying to kind of bring back some of that to the the same elements of style of that fenestration, | 00:18:07 | |
but it just. | 00:18:11 | |
Lifting it up any hires is the transoms would be buried in the storage units above, not not where we want them in in the. | 00:18:14 | |
Proposed office spaces along the street. | 00:18:24 | |
Any other questions? | 00:18:28 | |
Do we have a motion? | 00:18:31 | |
One way or the other. | 00:18:33 | |
Approve the application as. | 00:18:38 | |
Thank you. Do we have a? | 00:18:43 | |
I'll second it. | 00:18:45 | |
So. | 00:18:47 | |
Steer seconded by Gran. | 00:18:49 | |
Maybe we have a roll call vote, please, Yes, Vice Chair. | 00:18:52 | |
Aye, member Grannis. | 00:18:56 | |
Member Bickett. | 00:19:00 | |
Chair Anton. | 00:19:03 | |
Member Greening. | 00:19:06 | |
We have Five Eyes, 0 nays, motion passes. | 00:19:08 | |
All right, and. | 00:19:12 | |
Thank you for coming. | 00:19:15 | |
All right. We'll move to Item 8B, election of Historic Resources Committee secretary. | 00:19:16 | |
Do we we have a staff report? | 00:19:24 | |
Good afternoon, chair and committee. | 00:19:29 | |
As of October 25th, 2023, the Historic Resources Committee has had a vacancy for the office of Secretary. | 00:19:33 | |
The secretary plays an essential role in providing true and correct minutes for the committee records. Staff recommends the. | 00:19:43 | |
Historic Resource Committee Elector Secretary today. | 00:19:52 | |
And I'd like to set some ground. | 00:19:56 | |
The committee chair will ask for nominations for the office of secretary. | 00:20:00 | |
Members of the committee may nominate themselves or any other member of the committee. No second is required. | 00:20:05 | |
Once nominations are complete. | 00:20:12 | |
The chair will close nominations, announce the slave nominees, and ask for a vote on the nominees in the order of NOM. | 00:20:14 | |
Each voting member of the committee shall have one vote. | 00:20:23 | |
The nominee receiving votes from a majority of Members in attendance shall be declared the winner. | 00:20:26 | |
If no member receives a major. | 00:20:32 | |
The process shall be repeated except in the event of a tie between the two. | 00:20:34 | |
The top two vote getters, in which case a runoff shall be. | 00:20:39 | |
The winner shall assume the office. | 00:20:43 | |
Of secretary immediately. | 00:20:46 | |
I guess I would open the public comment. | 00:20:51 | |
All right, close public comment. | 00:20:57 | |
And bring it back here. | 00:21:00 | |
I would like to nominate Jennifer. | 00:21:05 | |
Thank you. | 00:21:08 | |
Yeah. | 00:21:14 | |
Do we have any other nominations? | 00:21:19 | |
Someone want? | 00:21:22 | |
Well, Full disclosure, I did reach out to three people on the committee separately and was declined on all three. | 00:21:28 | |
Parts And so I. | 00:21:37 | |
Have the feeling we will not be having a secretary. | 00:21:41 | |
Do we need to vote on that or do we just drop it? | 00:21:44 | |
We just drop it, all right. I could, if I may, yes, You may also if you could make a request to staff because we'll have someone | 00:21:48 | |
to do the minutes and so if you could send it to an e-mail or or do it now that they will be. | 00:21:56 | |
Doing. | 00:22:05 | |
Or request that they do the minutes. | 00:22:07 | |
May I request that staff be our secretary and I will be my your faithful helper. | 00:22:09 | |
All right. Moving on. We have one more item that would be 8 seed regarding the minutes there was. | 00:22:17 | |
A small little. | 00:22:26 | |
Regarding. | 00:22:28 | |
Let's see, I forgot to. Well, it was regarding the minutes from last time. | 00:22:31 | |
Thank you. | 00:22:40 | |
The motion was made by Mr. Steers and. | 00:22:42 | |
By Miss Green. | 00:22:45 | |
It was incorrectly reported a different way, so we'll make that change. | 00:22:48 | |
Can we go ahead and approve them now or do we have to bring them back at the next meeting? | 00:22:53 | |
So can we with that change? Can we? | 00:22:58 | |
Have a motion to approve the minutes from the October meeting, please. | 00:23:02 | |
I'll approve the minutes from the October. | 00:23:08 | |
Thank. | 00:23:11 | |
Do we have a second? | 00:23:12 | |
Greening second. | 00:23:16 | |
Roll call vote. | 00:23:18 | |
Memory picket, yes. | 00:23:20 | |
Member Greening Yes. | 00:23:23 | |
For. | 00:23:26 | |
Yes. | 00:23:28 | |
Chair Anton. | 00:23:29 | |
Vice chair of Steers. | 00:23:32 | |
5. | 00:23:35 | |
0 nays motion passes. | 00:23:37 | |
And just for clarity here this was. | 00:23:41 | |
A. From the last meeting. | 00:23:47 | |
I didn't write that down, all right, Moving on, new business, we have nothing on our agenda. And Please note that the next meeting | 00:23:50 | |
will be also. | 00:23:56 | |
Moved up one week and also moved up to 1:00 on December 20th. | 00:24:01 | |
And with that, what happened? | 00:24:07 | |
What happened? | 00:24:10 | |
1115, Milton Place, We approved it on the consent agenda. Oh. | 00:24:11 | |
All right. With that, I would like to declare the meeting. | 00:24:18 |
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To call the special meeting of the Historic Resources Committee to order on December on Wednesday, November 15th, 2023. | 00:00:00 | |
And may we start with A roll call. | 00:00:10 | |
Chair Anton. | 00:00:15 | |
Vice chair. | 00:00:18 | |
Member Greeny. | 00:00:21 | |
Member Grannis. | 00:00:23 | |
Member BE. | 00:00:26 | |
All committee members are present. We have a quorum. | 00:00:28 | |
Thank you very much. | 00:00:31 | |
And. | 00:00:34 | |
Item number two, approval of the agenda. | 00:00:34 | |
May we have. | 00:00:38 | |
Motion to approve the agenda. | 00:00:39 | |
2nd. | 00:00:44 | |
I. | 00:00:46 | |
We have a roll call. Please. No second please. | 00:00:49 | |
The second was over here, both of us. | 00:00:53 | |
I'll second it. | 00:00:58 | |
Never. | 00:01:05 | |
No, you're voting on agenda. Oh, sorry, yes. | 00:01:07 | |
Vice chair steers. | 00:01:12 | |
Chair Anton. | 00:01:16 | |
Remember Greening? | 00:01:18 | |
Member Bickett. | 00:01:21 | |
Five Eyes 0. | 00:01:24 | |
Motion passes. | 00:01:27 | |
Thank you. And item 3, committee and staff announcements. And let me ask staffers, do you have any announcements? | 00:01:30 | |
Staff has no announcements this time. And how about from the committee any announcements? | 00:01:39 | |
Seeing none, we'll move on to item. | 00:01:45 | |
Council liaison announcements, Do we have any announcements? | 00:01:48 | |
Mayor Peak. | 00:01:53 | |
Good afternoon, Chair and committee members. So nice to see you all here. | 00:01:58 | |
Thank you for being here. Just a few announcements. Our Interim City Manager, Bob Peralt. | 00:02:03 | |
Is is working? | 00:02:11 | |
Is in his office working perhaps as we speak and I, I don't know last month we announced that Lou. | 00:02:15 | |
Is that it was announced already. OK, good. And then so a few recent items from council. | 00:02:24 | |
We're now working through the documents, approving the documents for across the board on the staff. | 00:02:33 | |
Compensation raises a 3% COLA cost of living allowance for each of this year in the next two years. | 00:02:41 | |
We also. | 00:02:51 | |
Did first reading on a cannabis ordinance. | 00:02:53 | |
And that would be 1 retail and the six cycle housing element was sent off to Sacramento. | 00:02:58 | |
For their stamp of approval. | 00:03:08 | |
Their requests for adjustments we'll we'll see. We'll see what happens and on tonight's agenda. | 00:03:11 | |
We have the skate park. | 00:03:20 | |
The recreation board came back with some recommendations and and staff recommendations and we're going to be talking about Zoom | 00:03:24 | |
callers. | 00:03:28 | |
Stay tuned. | 00:03:35 | |
Thank. | 00:03:37 | |
And. | 00:03:41 | |
Abuse you. | 00:03:43 | |
Tonight. | 00:03:45 | |
All right, I'm moving to item 5, which is general public comment. | 00:03:48 | |
And do we have any members of the audience that would like to make a comment? I see none. | 00:03:52 | |
So with that I will close. | 00:03:59 | |
Public comment and go to the consent agenda. I would like to move. | 00:04:03 | |
7A to the end of our today's agenda, just for a minor correction. | 00:04:11 | |
Umm. | 00:04:18 | |
I'll be so minor we don't really need to do this, but we'll do it that way. | 00:04:21 | |
I. | 00:04:25 | |
Would anybody else like to pull an item from the consent agenda? | 00:04:27 | |
Seeing none, may we have a motion to approve the consent agenda with with item 7A, which will now become the new 8. | 00:04:34 | |
Let me have a motion, please. | 00:04:48 | |
A. | 00:04:51 | |
I meant that we do the consent agenda with. | 00:04:54 | |
Con. | 00:05:00 | |
Sorry, can't talk with 7. | 00:05:02 | |
Can we have a second please Second. | 00:05:11 | |
Remember Beckett? Yes. | 00:05:20 | |
Chair. | 00:05:24 | |
Vice chair. | 00:05:27 | |
Yes. | 00:05:28 | |
Remember Greening? | 00:05:30 | |
We have Five Eyes, 0 nays, motion passes. | 00:05:33 | |
Thank you. We'll now move to the regular agenda. | 00:05:38 | |
We're on item 8A, Architectural permit 23-0278. | 00:05:43 | |
For 2229 Grand Ave. may we have a staff report, please? Yes, ma'am. Good afternoon, Chair Anton and committee members. This is | 00:05:50 | |
Architectural permit 2-3, dash 20278. | 00:05:57 | |
The subject property is approximately 10,804 square feet. | 00:06:05 | |
And developed with an existing 10,564 square foot, one Storey commercial building. It includes a storage business, retail clothing | 00:06:10 | |
store and retail liquor alcohol store with a deli. | 00:06:16 | |
The property is located within the cities area of special biological significance is not in the coastal zone or in an | 00:06:23 | |
archaeologically sensitive area. | 00:06:28 | |
The subject is not listed on the Historic Resources Inventory, however Phase One Historic Resource Assessment. | 00:06:33 | |
Conducted by Historic Resources Associates on October 4th, concluded that due to the building's date of construction, its | 00:06:39 | |
architectural integrity and association with a variety of individuals and businesses in downtown Pacific Grove during the 20th | 00:06:44 | |
century. | 00:06:49 | |
It is the opinion of Dana Supernova. It's the historian. | 00:06:56 | |
That he recommended that property is worthy of listing on the City's historic register under the California Register of Historic | 00:07:00 | |
Resources under criterion 3, the National Register of Historic Places under Criterion C, and the City of Pacific Grove. Criteria | 00:07:06 | |
for listing a history of property under criterion AD and H principally for its importance reflecting the theme of Mint and Revival | 00:07:12 | |
commercial architecture. | 00:07:18 | |
The project description is it includes minimal exterior upgrades, including the installation of a new and additional wood sash | 00:07:25 | |
front entrance and with matching windows to what's existing, matching the existing door and windows to the northwest corner of the | 00:07:32 | |
building on Grand Ave. and replacement of a single. | 00:07:39 | |
Steel door with a new double steel door to the entrance on the southeast corner of the building on Laurel Ave. | 00:07:46 | |
Again, these are minor upgrades. No changes to roof lines, just all. | 00:07:53 | |
Specifically these. | 00:08:00 | |
The subject property is located between Grand Ave. and Fountain Ave. and it's adjacent adjacent to Laurel Ave. the downtown | 00:08:03 | |
commercial zoning district. | 00:08:07 | |
With without having specific design guidelines for our commercial district, I have used our general plan as references. | 00:08:14 | |
For our findings in this and it the General Plan Land Use Policy 20 is a focus to city and private efforts on improvements in a | 00:08:25 | |
comprehensive strategy to enhance downtown and Policy 21 to upgrade visual quality of streets in the downtown District. | 00:08:34 | |
Staff recommends A Historic Resource Committee approve AP23-0278 Subjective Findings, Conditions of Approval and Sequel Guidelines | 00:08:43 | |
Section 15301, Class One Category Categorical Exemption for Existing facilities. I'm here for any questions. Thank you very much. | 00:08:53 | |
And thank you very much, Aram. | 00:09:03 | |
Applicant or the architect like to speak. | 00:09:07 | |
Thank you for. | 00:09:13 | |
Mr. Anton and members of the HRC, thank you for holding this special meeting today. I understand. | 00:09:19 | |
We're doing that because of the Thanksgiving holiday next week. | 00:09:26 | |
I appreciate being here before the holiday. | 00:09:30 | |
It's so you We have before us the facade along Grand Ave. which I consider to be the more important facade, and the changes we are | 00:09:34 | |
making to what currently is a retail space. | 00:09:41 | |
My intention was to try to playoff of the fenestration of the liquor store. | 00:09:50 | |
Adjacent to this retail. | 00:09:56 | |
Coming up with a pretty simple arrangement of doors and windows with transoms above. | 00:10:01 | |
A little room for signage for these two new office spaces. | 00:10:08 | |
And that's about it. And it's my opinion that. | 00:10:12 | |
Current fenestration of that retail space. | 00:10:18 | |
May not be original to the building anyways, is there? | 00:10:22 | |
Um. | 00:10:28 | |
Odd looking jealousies that I would assume were added at a later date, so I might. | 00:10:29 | |
Content that what we are upgrading here is not part of the original facade anyways, and my intention is to kind of bring it more | 00:10:36 | |
back to the style that was original reflected with the liquor store adjacent to it. | 00:10:42 | |
That's the most significant change that I believe the HRC should be concerned with today. | 00:10:49 | |
Minor consideration would be along Laurel Ave. the primary entrance into the existing storage facility we would like to. | 00:10:58 | |
Increase this the width of the current door from a single leaf door to a pair of steel doors. That opening would be punched into | 00:11:09 | |
AT111 plywood. | 00:11:15 | |
Infill wall that is not part of the original board form concrete. | 00:11:23 | |
Construction either. So again, I don't really see that as. | 00:11:28 | |
Deteriorating the original historic fabric, the building, because it's already been. | 00:11:35 | |
In filled with something more from the 70s I would, I would guess, yeah T1-11 so not not particularly precious facade right there. | 00:11:40 | |
So. | 00:11:45 | |
That about sums it up. It's a pretty simple project and I'm here if you have any questions. | 00:11:51 | |
I think you sort of answered this question already. I was curious about 229-B which is currently the retail the Nest Store. And I | 00:12:01 | |
was, I was curious as to what because I could tell obviously a renovation happened there because they got rid of the transom | 00:12:08 | |
windows and then I was curious as to when that happened, but I think you don't know when that happened either. | 00:12:16 | |
But. | 00:12:24 | |
It was just my observation that it did not appear to be part of the original fenestration with the funny jealousies and so forth. | 00:12:26 | |
And so I wasn't. | 00:12:29 | |
Too concerned about tearing into that opening and trying to bring it back into. | 00:12:33 | |
The style, what I assume is the more of the original fenestration with the liquor store adjacent to it, so. | 00:12:39 | |
Consider it to be a little bit of an upgrade. Hopefully and hopefully you agree I. | 00:12:46 | |
And then again, the minor modification along Laurel is is a pretty trivial adjustment to the facade as well. | 00:12:51 | |
Any other? | 00:12:58 | |
Yes, I just had one the roof line. Pardon me. | 00:12:59 | |
Pardon me? | 00:13:04 | |
We need to finish. | 00:13:06 | |
The speech 1st and then go to public comment. Public comment. Oh, sorry. | 00:13:07 | |
But to be clear, there is no modification to the roof line if that if that answers your question. | 00:13:15 | |
And I'll sit down. | 00:13:19 | |
Stay tuned, I would like to open now for public comment. | 00:13:25 | |
However, looking at the audience, I would guess that we probably have none. | 00:13:30 | |
So I'll close public comment and now. | 00:13:35 | |
Or HRC discuss. | 00:13:38 | |
So any. | 00:13:42 | |
My office for almost 30 years was right next door. | 00:13:44 | |
227. | 00:13:49 | |
So I'm very familiar with the building and you're right, it's been the windows and doors have been mushed around a little bit a | 00:13:52 | |
couple of times since then. | 00:13:55 | |
So Shavas used to own that building I guess and. | 00:14:00 | |
Yeah. | 00:14:06 | |
We messed around with the storage capacities and so forth, so yeah, you're right. I don't think there's anything there that is. | 00:14:08 | |
Rigidly historic. | 00:14:16 | |
But the mention in the application of two to seven. | 00:14:19 | |
Is sort of odd because it's a different building. Why is it mentioned in there? Could you come back to the podium then if we're | 00:14:28 | |
going to have questions? | 00:14:32 | |
Thank you. And and the other part of that is there's a mention of the bowling alley. | 00:14:37 | |
They're saying in in Dana Supernowitz's report that this was. | 00:14:43 | |
At one time, a bowling alley. The bowling alley. | 00:14:49 | |
Was it 227, not 22? | 00:14:53 | |
And I know that because the floor of the bowling alley was my office. | 00:14:57 | |
And the guy that owned. | 00:15:02 | |
He used to come by and look at it and go, Oh yeah, I did that repair on that. So I know it was the original. Well, I think that | 00:15:05 | |
that should be addressed in the historic report if that's the case. And I, I want to argue with you, Rick, you in this town a long | 00:15:11 | |
time. I want to make sure that there's the report, the permits, that whatever. | 00:15:18 | |
Permits that get issued or issued for 229 and when you mentioned 227 grand, is that in my drawing set or is that in the the | 00:15:25 | |
Historians report? | 00:15:30 | |
It's in the historians report sometimes the maps I will push together I will bring this forward with Dana it's an error on his end | 00:15:35 | |
I I and so it would be appropriate for him to correct it and and it could be just wasn't never clear in the in. | 00:15:44 | |
I remember when your office was was in the adjacent building down the hallway and. | 00:15:55 | |
So that was the bowling alley. | 00:16:02 | |
Yes, OK. I mean, Dana told me he thought this was the bowling alley, but clearly he was wrong. If if you know where the bowling | 00:16:04 | |
alley floor was, then I'm not going to. A lot of people used to come and go. Didn't this used to be a bowling alley? You know, not | 00:16:09 | |
just me. | 00:16:13 | |
OK. So that should be corrected in Denny's report. Yeah, OK. Seems fair enough. | 00:16:20 | |
Are there other questions for Hun? | 00:16:25 | |
Just confirm it is Dana's letter that says 227 to 229 grand. | 00:16:28 | |
I will bring that forward with Dana and we'll get that adjusted in his report. I do have just a question when I look at the front | 00:16:34 | |
of the building and I'm Speaking of the the Grand Ave. side. | 00:16:39 | |
When you see the the central area that. | 00:16:45 | |
The windows up above the big windows. I'm not sure what the right term is. | 00:16:49 | |
Pardon me, I would call them transom windows. The transom windows, thank you. Why would you not line up the ones AT2I presume | 00:16:55 | |
that's 227. Why not line those transit windows up with the others? Is it because of the elevation change it would interface with | 00:17:00 | |
the? | 00:17:06 | |
The. | 00:17:13 | |
Floor of the the new storage proposed storage inside so it would it would interfere with that and and. | 00:17:15 | |
So we're trying to keep the the windows down below that to the best of our ability. At the same time, I'm trying to match the | 00:17:21 | |
style of those transoms because I thought they were charming. | 00:17:27 | |
To answer your question, if we raised things up higher we would have a conflict between the proposed structure which will be | 00:17:37 | |
inside. You won't see that but it's it's a consideration for where we set the elevation of the windows. I mean it's it's not a | 00:17:43 | |
huge thing but when I look at the side, you know all the windows line up and then I look at the front and then it drops down and I | 00:17:49 | |
kind of just wondered why that was. Well there is a, there is a good reason and it just it just doesn't work with with what we're | 00:17:55 | |
trying to do inside understand so. | 00:18:01 | |
I was trying to you know, I was trying to kind of bring back some of that to the the same elements of style of that fenestration, | 00:18:07 | |
but it just. | 00:18:11 | |
Lifting it up any hires is the transoms would be buried in the storage units above, not not where we want them in in the. | 00:18:14 | |
Proposed office spaces along the street. | 00:18:24 | |
Any other questions? | 00:18:28 | |
Do we have a motion? | 00:18:31 | |
One way or the other. | 00:18:33 | |
Approve the application as. | 00:18:38 | |
Thank you. Do we have a? | 00:18:43 | |
I'll second it. | 00:18:45 | |
So. | 00:18:47 | |
Steer seconded by Gran. | 00:18:49 | |
Maybe we have a roll call vote, please, Yes, Vice Chair. | 00:18:52 | |
Aye, member Grannis. | 00:18:56 | |
Member Bickett. | 00:19:00 | |
Chair Anton. | 00:19:03 | |
Member Greening. | 00:19:06 | |
We have Five Eyes, 0 nays, motion passes. | 00:19:08 | |
All right, and. | 00:19:12 | |
Thank you for coming. | 00:19:15 | |
All right. We'll move to Item 8B, election of Historic Resources Committee secretary. | 00:19:16 | |
Do we we have a staff report? | 00:19:24 | |
Good afternoon, chair and committee. | 00:19:29 | |
As of October 25th, 2023, the Historic Resources Committee has had a vacancy for the office of Secretary. | 00:19:33 | |
The secretary plays an essential role in providing true and correct minutes for the committee records. Staff recommends the. | 00:19:43 | |
Historic Resource Committee Elector Secretary today. | 00:19:52 | |
And I'd like to set some ground. | 00:19:56 | |
The committee chair will ask for nominations for the office of secretary. | 00:20:00 | |
Members of the committee may nominate themselves or any other member of the committee. No second is required. | 00:20:05 | |
Once nominations are complete. | 00:20:12 | |
The chair will close nominations, announce the slave nominees, and ask for a vote on the nominees in the order of NOM. | 00:20:14 | |
Each voting member of the committee shall have one vote. | 00:20:23 | |
The nominee receiving votes from a majority of Members in attendance shall be declared the winner. | 00:20:26 | |
If no member receives a major. | 00:20:32 | |
The process shall be repeated except in the event of a tie between the two. | 00:20:34 | |
The top two vote getters, in which case a runoff shall be. | 00:20:39 | |
The winner shall assume the office. | 00:20:43 | |
Of secretary immediately. | 00:20:46 | |
I guess I would open the public comment. | 00:20:51 | |
All right, close public comment. | 00:20:57 | |
And bring it back here. | 00:21:00 | |
I would like to nominate Jennifer. | 00:21:05 | |
Thank you. | 00:21:08 | |
Yeah. | 00:21:14 | |
Do we have any other nominations? | 00:21:19 | |
Someone want? | 00:21:22 | |
Well, Full disclosure, I did reach out to three people on the committee separately and was declined on all three. | 00:21:28 | |
Parts And so I. | 00:21:37 | |
Have the feeling we will not be having a secretary. | 00:21:41 | |
Do we need to vote on that or do we just drop it? | 00:21:44 | |
We just drop it, all right. I could, if I may, yes, You may also if you could make a request to staff because we'll have someone | 00:21:48 | |
to do the minutes and so if you could send it to an e-mail or or do it now that they will be. | 00:21:56 | |
Doing. | 00:22:05 | |
Or request that they do the minutes. | 00:22:07 | |
May I request that staff be our secretary and I will be my your faithful helper. | 00:22:09 | |
All right. Moving on. We have one more item that would be 8 seed regarding the minutes there was. | 00:22:17 | |
A small little. | 00:22:26 | |
Regarding. | 00:22:28 | |
Let's see, I forgot to. Well, it was regarding the minutes from last time. | 00:22:31 | |
Thank you. | 00:22:40 | |
The motion was made by Mr. Steers and. | 00:22:42 | |
By Miss Green. | 00:22:45 | |
It was incorrectly reported a different way, so we'll make that change. | 00:22:48 | |
Can we go ahead and approve them now or do we have to bring them back at the next meeting? | 00:22:53 | |
So can we with that change? Can we? | 00:22:58 | |
Have a motion to approve the minutes from the October meeting, please. | 00:23:02 | |
I'll approve the minutes from the October. | 00:23:08 | |
Thank. | 00:23:11 | |
Do we have a second? | 00:23:12 | |
Greening second. | 00:23:16 | |
Roll call vote. | 00:23:18 | |
Memory picket, yes. | 00:23:20 | |
Member Greening Yes. | 00:23:23 | |
For. | 00:23:26 | |
Yes. | 00:23:28 | |
Chair Anton. | 00:23:29 | |
Vice chair of Steers. | 00:23:32 | |
5. | 00:23:35 | |
0 nays motion passes. | 00:23:37 | |
And just for clarity here this was. | 00:23:41 | |
A. From the last meeting. | 00:23:47 | |
I didn't write that down, all right, Moving on, new business, we have nothing on our agenda. And Please note that the next meeting | 00:23:50 | |
will be also. | 00:23:56 | |
Moved up one week and also moved up to 1:00 on December 20th. | 00:24:01 | |
And with that, what happened? | 00:24:07 | |
What happened? | 00:24:10 | |
1115, Milton Place, We approved it on the consent agenda. Oh. | 00:24:11 | |
All right. With that, I would like to declare the meeting. | 00:24:18 |