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To call the special meeting of the Historic Resources Committee to order on December on Wednesday, November 15th, 2023. 00:00:00
And may we start with A roll call. 00:00:10
Chair Anton. 00:00:15
Vice chair. 00:00:18
Member Greeny. 00:00:21
Member Grannis. 00:00:23
Member BE. 00:00:26
All committee members are present. We have a quorum. 00:00:28
Thank you very much. 00:00:31
And. 00:00:34
Item number two, approval of the agenda. 00:00:34
May we have. 00:00:38
Motion to approve the agenda. 00:00:39
2nd. 00:00:44
I. 00:00:46
We have a roll call. Please. No second please. 00:00:49
The second was over here, both of us. 00:00:53
I'll second it. 00:00:58
Never. 00:01:05
No, you're voting on agenda. Oh, sorry, yes. 00:01:07
Vice chair steers. 00:01:12
Chair Anton. 00:01:16
Remember Greening? 00:01:18
Member Bickett. 00:01:21
Five Eyes 0. 00:01:24
Motion passes. 00:01:27
Thank you. And item 3, committee and staff announcements. And let me ask staffers, do you have any announcements? 00:01:30
Staff has no announcements this time. And how about from the committee any announcements? 00:01:39
Seeing none, we'll move on to item. 00:01:45
Council liaison announcements, Do we have any announcements? 00:01:48
Mayor Peak. 00:01:53
Good afternoon, Chair and committee members. So nice to see you all here. 00:01:58
Thank you for being here. Just a few announcements. Our Interim City Manager, Bob Peralt. 00:02:03
Is is working? 00:02:11
Is in his office working perhaps as we speak and I, I don't know last month we announced that Lou. 00:02:15
Is that it was announced already. OK, good. And then so a few recent items from council. 00:02:24
We're now working through the documents, approving the documents for across the board on the staff. 00:02:33
Compensation raises a 3% COLA cost of living allowance for each of this year in the next two years. 00:02:41
We also. 00:02:51
Did first reading on a cannabis ordinance. 00:02:53
And that would be 1 retail and the six cycle housing element was sent off to Sacramento. 00:02:58
For their stamp of approval. 00:03:08
Their requests for adjustments we'll we'll see. We'll see what happens and on tonight's agenda. 00:03:11
We have the skate park. 00:03:20
The recreation board came back with some recommendations and and staff recommendations and we're going to be talking about Zoom 00:03:24
callers. 00:03:28
Stay tuned. 00:03:35
Thank. 00:03:37
And. 00:03:41
Abuse you. 00:03:43
Tonight. 00:03:45
All right, I'm moving to item 5, which is general public comment. 00:03:48
And do we have any members of the audience that would like to make a comment? I see none. 00:03:52
So with that I will close. 00:03:59
Public comment and go to the consent agenda. I would like to move. 00:04:03
7A to the end of our today's agenda, just for a minor correction. 00:04:11
Umm. 00:04:18
I'll be so minor we don't really need to do this, but we'll do it that way. 00:04:21
I. 00:04:25
Would anybody else like to pull an item from the consent agenda? 00:04:27
Seeing none, may we have a motion to approve the consent agenda with with item 7A, which will now become the new 8. 00:04:34
Let me have a motion, please. 00:04:48
A. 00:04:51
I meant that we do the consent agenda with. 00:04:54
Con. 00:05:00
Sorry, can't talk with 7. 00:05:02
Can we have a second please Second. 00:05:11
Remember Beckett? Yes. 00:05:20
Chair. 00:05:24
Vice chair. 00:05:27
Yes. 00:05:28
Remember Greening? 00:05:30
We have Five Eyes, 0 nays, motion passes. 00:05:33
Thank you. We'll now move to the regular agenda. 00:05:38
We're on item 8A, Architectural permit 23-0278. 00:05:43
For 2229 Grand Ave. may we have a staff report, please? Yes, ma'am. Good afternoon, Chair Anton and committee members. This is 00:05:50
Architectural permit 2-3, dash 20278. 00:05:57
The subject property is approximately 10,804 square feet. 00:06:05
And developed with an existing 10,564 square foot, one Storey commercial building. It includes a storage business, retail clothing 00:06:10
store and retail liquor alcohol store with a deli. 00:06:16
The property is located within the cities area of special biological significance is not in the coastal zone or in an 00:06:23
archaeologically sensitive area. 00:06:28
The subject is not listed on the Historic Resources Inventory, however Phase One Historic Resource Assessment. 00:06:33
Conducted by Historic Resources Associates on October 4th, concluded that due to the building's date of construction, its 00:06:39
architectural integrity and association with a variety of individuals and businesses in downtown Pacific Grove during the 20th 00:06:44
century. 00:06:49
It is the opinion of Dana Supernova. It's the historian. 00:06:56
That he recommended that property is worthy of listing on the City's historic register under the California Register of Historic 00:07:00
Resources under criterion 3, the National Register of Historic Places under Criterion C, and the City of Pacific Grove. Criteria 00:07:06
for listing a history of property under criterion AD and H principally for its importance reflecting the theme of Mint and Revival 00:07:12
commercial architecture. 00:07:18
The project description is it includes minimal exterior upgrades, including the installation of a new and additional wood sash 00:07:25
front entrance and with matching windows to what's existing, matching the existing door and windows to the northwest corner of the 00:07:32
building on Grand Ave. and replacement of a single. 00:07:39
Steel door with a new double steel door to the entrance on the southeast corner of the building on Laurel Ave. 00:07:46
Again, these are minor upgrades. No changes to roof lines, just all. 00:07:53
Specifically these. 00:08:00
The subject property is located between Grand Ave. and Fountain Ave. and it's adjacent adjacent to Laurel Ave. the downtown 00:08:03
commercial zoning district. 00:08:07
With without having specific design guidelines for our commercial district, I have used our general plan as references. 00:08:14
For our findings in this and it the General Plan Land Use Policy 20 is a focus to city and private efforts on improvements in a 00:08:25
comprehensive strategy to enhance downtown and Policy 21 to upgrade visual quality of streets in the downtown District. 00:08:34
Staff recommends A Historic Resource Committee approve AP23-0278 Subjective Findings, Conditions of Approval and Sequel Guidelines 00:08:43
Section 15301, Class One Category Categorical Exemption for Existing facilities. I'm here for any questions. Thank you very much. 00:08:53
And thank you very much, Aram. 00:09:03
Applicant or the architect like to speak. 00:09:07
Thank you for. 00:09:13
Mr. Anton and members of the HRC, thank you for holding this special meeting today. I understand. 00:09:19
We're doing that because of the Thanksgiving holiday next week. 00:09:26
I appreciate being here before the holiday. 00:09:30
It's so you We have before us the facade along Grand Ave. which I consider to be the more important facade, and the changes we are 00:09:34
making to what currently is a retail space. 00:09:41
My intention was to try to playoff of the fenestration of the liquor store. 00:09:50
Adjacent to this retail. 00:09:56
Coming up with a pretty simple arrangement of doors and windows with transoms above. 00:10:01
A little room for signage for these two new office spaces. 00:10:08
And that's about it. And it's my opinion that. 00:10:12
Current fenestration of that retail space. 00:10:18
May not be original to the building anyways, is there? 00:10:22
Um. 00:10:28
Odd looking jealousies that I would assume were added at a later date, so I might. 00:10:29
Content that what we are upgrading here is not part of the original facade anyways, and my intention is to kind of bring it more 00:10:36
back to the style that was original reflected with the liquor store adjacent to it. 00:10:42
That's the most significant change that I believe the HRC should be concerned with today. 00:10:49
Minor consideration would be along Laurel Ave. the primary entrance into the existing storage facility we would like to. 00:10:58
Increase this the width of the current door from a single leaf door to a pair of steel doors. That opening would be punched into 00:11:09
AT111 plywood. 00:11:15
Infill wall that is not part of the original board form concrete. 00:11:23
Construction either. So again, I don't really see that as. 00:11:28
Deteriorating the original historic fabric, the building, because it's already been. 00:11:35
In filled with something more from the 70s I would, I would guess, yeah T1-11 so not not particularly precious facade right there. 00:11:40
So. 00:11:45
That about sums it up. It's a pretty simple project and I'm here if you have any questions. 00:11:51
I think you sort of answered this question already. I was curious about 229-B which is currently the retail the Nest Store. And I 00:12:01
was, I was curious as to what because I could tell obviously a renovation happened there because they got rid of the transom 00:12:08
windows and then I was curious as to when that happened, but I think you don't know when that happened either. 00:12:16
But. 00:12:24
It was just my observation that it did not appear to be part of the original fenestration with the funny jealousies and so forth. 00:12:26
And so I wasn't. 00:12:29
Too concerned about tearing into that opening and trying to bring it back into. 00:12:33
The style, what I assume is the more of the original fenestration with the liquor store adjacent to it, so. 00:12:39
Consider it to be a little bit of an upgrade. Hopefully and hopefully you agree I. 00:12:46
And then again, the minor modification along Laurel is is a pretty trivial adjustment to the facade as well. 00:12:51
Any other? 00:12:58
Yes, I just had one the roof line. Pardon me. 00:12:59
Pardon me? 00:13:04
We need to finish. 00:13:06
The speech 1st and then go to public comment. Public comment. Oh, sorry. 00:13:07
But to be clear, there is no modification to the roof line if that if that answers your question. 00:13:15
And I'll sit down. 00:13:19
Stay tuned, I would like to open now for public comment. 00:13:25
However, looking at the audience, I would guess that we probably have none. 00:13:30
So I'll close public comment and now. 00:13:35
Or HRC discuss. 00:13:38
So any. 00:13:42
My office for almost 30 years was right next door. 00:13:44
227. 00:13:49
So I'm very familiar with the building and you're right, it's been the windows and doors have been mushed around a little bit a 00:13:52
couple of times since then. 00:13:55
So Shavas used to own that building I guess and. 00:14:00
Yeah. 00:14:06
We messed around with the storage capacities and so forth, so yeah, you're right. I don't think there's anything there that is. 00:14:08
Rigidly historic. 00:14:16
But the mention in the application of two to seven. 00:14:19
Is sort of odd because it's a different building. Why is it mentioned in there? Could you come back to the podium then if we're 00:14:28
going to have questions? 00:14:32
Thank you. And and the other part of that is there's a mention of the bowling alley. 00:14:37
They're saying in in Dana Supernowitz's report that this was. 00:14:43
At one time, a bowling alley. The bowling alley. 00:14:49
Was it 227, not 22? 00:14:53
And I know that because the floor of the bowling alley was my office. 00:14:57
And the guy that owned. 00:15:02
He used to come by and look at it and go, Oh yeah, I did that repair on that. So I know it was the original. Well, I think that 00:15:05
that should be addressed in the historic report if that's the case. And I, I want to argue with you, Rick, you in this town a long 00:15:11
time. I want to make sure that there's the report, the permits, that whatever. 00:15:18
Permits that get issued or issued for 229 and when you mentioned 227 grand, is that in my drawing set or is that in the the 00:15:25
Historians report? 00:15:30
It's in the historians report sometimes the maps I will push together I will bring this forward with Dana it's an error on his end 00:15:35
I I and so it would be appropriate for him to correct it and and it could be just wasn't never clear in the in. 00:15:44
I remember when your office was was in the adjacent building down the hallway and. 00:15:55
So that was the bowling alley. 00:16:02
Yes, OK. I mean, Dana told me he thought this was the bowling alley, but clearly he was wrong. If if you know where the bowling 00:16:04
alley floor was, then I'm not going to. A lot of people used to come and go. Didn't this used to be a bowling alley? You know, not 00:16:09
just me. 00:16:13
OK. So that should be corrected in Denny's report. Yeah, OK. Seems fair enough. 00:16:20
Are there other questions for Hun? 00:16:25
Just confirm it is Dana's letter that says 227 to 229 grand. 00:16:28
I will bring that forward with Dana and we'll get that adjusted in his report. I do have just a question when I look at the front 00:16:34
of the building and I'm Speaking of the the Grand Ave. side. 00:16:39
When you see the the central area that. 00:16:45
The windows up above the big windows. I'm not sure what the right term is. 00:16:49
Pardon me, I would call them transom windows. The transom windows, thank you. Why would you not line up the ones AT2I presume 00:16:55
that's 227. Why not line those transit windows up with the others? Is it because of the elevation change it would interface with 00:17:00
the? 00:17:06
The. 00:17:13
Floor of the the new storage proposed storage inside so it would it would interfere with that and and. 00:17:15
So we're trying to keep the the windows down below that to the best of our ability. At the same time, I'm trying to match the 00:17:21
style of those transoms because I thought they were charming. 00:17:27
To answer your question, if we raised things up higher we would have a conflict between the proposed structure which will be 00:17:37
inside. You won't see that but it's it's a consideration for where we set the elevation of the windows. I mean it's it's not a 00:17:43
huge thing but when I look at the side, you know all the windows line up and then I look at the front and then it drops down and I 00:17:49
kind of just wondered why that was. Well there is a, there is a good reason and it just it just doesn't work with with what we're 00:17:55
trying to do inside understand so. 00:18:01
I was trying to you know, I was trying to kind of bring back some of that to the the same elements of style of that fenestration, 00:18:07
but it just. 00:18:11
Lifting it up any hires is the transoms would be buried in the storage units above, not not where we want them in in the. 00:18:14
Proposed office spaces along the street. 00:18:24
Any other questions? 00:18:28
Do we have a motion? 00:18:31
One way or the other. 00:18:33
Approve the application as. 00:18:38
Thank you. Do we have a? 00:18:43
I'll second it. 00:18:45
So. 00:18:47
Steer seconded by Gran. 00:18:49
Maybe we have a roll call vote, please, Yes, Vice Chair. 00:18:52
Aye, member Grannis. 00:18:56
Member Bickett. 00:19:00
Chair Anton. 00:19:03
Member Greening. 00:19:06
We have Five Eyes, 0 nays, motion passes. 00:19:08
All right, and. 00:19:12
Thank you for coming. 00:19:15
All right. We'll move to Item 8B, election of Historic Resources Committee secretary. 00:19:16
Do we we have a staff report? 00:19:24
Good afternoon, chair and committee. 00:19:29
As of October 25th, 2023, the Historic Resources Committee has had a vacancy for the office of Secretary. 00:19:33
The secretary plays an essential role in providing true and correct minutes for the committee records. Staff recommends the. 00:19:43
Historic Resource Committee Elector Secretary today. 00:19:52
And I'd like to set some ground. 00:19:56
The committee chair will ask for nominations for the office of secretary. 00:20:00
Members of the committee may nominate themselves or any other member of the committee. No second is required. 00:20:05
Once nominations are complete. 00:20:12
The chair will close nominations, announce the slave nominees, and ask for a vote on the nominees in the order of NOM. 00:20:14
Each voting member of the committee shall have one vote. 00:20:23
The nominee receiving votes from a majority of Members in attendance shall be declared the winner. 00:20:26
If no member receives a major. 00:20:32
The process shall be repeated except in the event of a tie between the two. 00:20:34
The top two vote getters, in which case a runoff shall be. 00:20:39
The winner shall assume the office. 00:20:43
Of secretary immediately. 00:20:46
I guess I would open the public comment. 00:20:51
All right, close public comment. 00:20:57
And bring it back here. 00:21:00
I would like to nominate Jennifer. 00:21:05
Thank you. 00:21:08
Yeah. 00:21:14
Do we have any other nominations? 00:21:19
Someone want? 00:21:22
Well, Full disclosure, I did reach out to three people on the committee separately and was declined on all three. 00:21:28
Parts And so I. 00:21:37
Have the feeling we will not be having a secretary. 00:21:41
Do we need to vote on that or do we just drop it? 00:21:44
We just drop it, all right. I could, if I may, yes, You may also if you could make a request to staff because we'll have someone 00:21:48
to do the minutes and so if you could send it to an e-mail or or do it now that they will be. 00:21:56
Doing. 00:22:05
Or request that they do the minutes. 00:22:07
May I request that staff be our secretary and I will be my your faithful helper. 00:22:09
All right. Moving on. We have one more item that would be 8 seed regarding the minutes there was. 00:22:17
A small little. 00:22:26
Regarding. 00:22:28
Let's see, I forgot to. Well, it was regarding the minutes from last time. 00:22:31
Thank you. 00:22:40
The motion was made by Mr. Steers and. 00:22:42
By Miss Green. 00:22:45
It was incorrectly reported a different way, so we'll make that change. 00:22:48
Can we go ahead and approve them now or do we have to bring them back at the next meeting? 00:22:53
So can we with that change? Can we? 00:22:58
Have a motion to approve the minutes from the October meeting, please. 00:23:02
I'll approve the minutes from the October. 00:23:08
Thank. 00:23:11
Do we have a second? 00:23:12
Greening second. 00:23:16
Roll call vote. 00:23:18
Memory picket, yes. 00:23:20
Member Greening Yes. 00:23:23
For. 00:23:26
Yes. 00:23:28
Chair Anton. 00:23:29
Vice chair of Steers. 00:23:32
5. 00:23:35
0 nays motion passes. 00:23:37
And just for clarity here this was. 00:23:41
A. From the last meeting. 00:23:47
I didn't write that down, all right, Moving on, new business, we have nothing on our agenda. And Please note that the next meeting 00:23:50
will be also. 00:23:56
Moved up one week and also moved up to 1:00 on December 20th. 00:24:01
And with that, what happened? 00:24:07
What happened? 00:24:10
1115, Milton Place, We approved it on the consent agenda. Oh. 00:24:11
All right. With that, I would like to declare the meeting. 00:24:18
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To call the special meeting of the Historic Resources Committee to order on December on Wednesday, November 15th, 2023. 00:00:00
And may we start with A roll call. 00:00:10
Chair Anton. 00:00:15
Vice chair. 00:00:18
Member Greeny. 00:00:21
Member Grannis. 00:00:23
Member BE. 00:00:26
All committee members are present. We have a quorum. 00:00:28
Thank you very much. 00:00:31
And. 00:00:34
Item number two, approval of the agenda. 00:00:34
May we have. 00:00:38
Motion to approve the agenda. 00:00:39
2nd. 00:00:44
I. 00:00:46
We have a roll call. Please. No second please. 00:00:49
The second was over here, both of us. 00:00:53
I'll second it. 00:00:58
Never. 00:01:05
No, you're voting on agenda. Oh, sorry, yes. 00:01:07
Vice chair steers. 00:01:12
Chair Anton. 00:01:16
Remember Greening? 00:01:18
Member Bickett. 00:01:21
Five Eyes 0. 00:01:24
Motion passes. 00:01:27
Thank you. And item 3, committee and staff announcements. And let me ask staffers, do you have any announcements? 00:01:30
Staff has no announcements this time. And how about from the committee any announcements? 00:01:39
Seeing none, we'll move on to item. 00:01:45
Council liaison announcements, Do we have any announcements? 00:01:48
Mayor Peak. 00:01:53
Good afternoon, Chair and committee members. So nice to see you all here. 00:01:58
Thank you for being here. Just a few announcements. Our Interim City Manager, Bob Peralt. 00:02:03
Is is working? 00:02:11
Is in his office working perhaps as we speak and I, I don't know last month we announced that Lou. 00:02:15
Is that it was announced already. OK, good. And then so a few recent items from council. 00:02:24
We're now working through the documents, approving the documents for across the board on the staff. 00:02:33
Compensation raises a 3% COLA cost of living allowance for each of this year in the next two years. 00:02:41
We also. 00:02:51
Did first reading on a cannabis ordinance. 00:02:53
And that would be 1 retail and the six cycle housing element was sent off to Sacramento. 00:02:58
For their stamp of approval. 00:03:08
Their requests for adjustments we'll we'll see. We'll see what happens and on tonight's agenda. 00:03:11
We have the skate park. 00:03:20
The recreation board came back with some recommendations and and staff recommendations and we're going to be talking about Zoom 00:03:24
callers. 00:03:28
Stay tuned. 00:03:35
Thank. 00:03:37
And. 00:03:41
Abuse you. 00:03:43
Tonight. 00:03:45
All right, I'm moving to item 5, which is general public comment. 00:03:48
And do we have any members of the audience that would like to make a comment? I see none. 00:03:52
So with that I will close. 00:03:59
Public comment and go to the consent agenda. I would like to move. 00:04:03
7A to the end of our today's agenda, just for a minor correction. 00:04:11
Umm. 00:04:18
I'll be so minor we don't really need to do this, but we'll do it that way. 00:04:21
I. 00:04:25
Would anybody else like to pull an item from the consent agenda? 00:04:27
Seeing none, may we have a motion to approve the consent agenda with with item 7A, which will now become the new 8. 00:04:34
Let me have a motion, please. 00:04:48
A. 00:04:51
I meant that we do the consent agenda with. 00:04:54
Con. 00:05:00
Sorry, can't talk with 7. 00:05:02
Can we have a second please Second. 00:05:11
Remember Beckett? Yes. 00:05:20
Chair. 00:05:24
Vice chair. 00:05:27
Yes. 00:05:28
Remember Greening? 00:05:30
We have Five Eyes, 0 nays, motion passes. 00:05:33
Thank you. We'll now move to the regular agenda. 00:05:38
We're on item 8A, Architectural permit 23-0278. 00:05:43
For 2229 Grand Ave. may we have a staff report, please? Yes, ma'am. Good afternoon, Chair Anton and committee members. This is 00:05:50
Architectural permit 2-3, dash 20278. 00:05:57
The subject property is approximately 10,804 square feet. 00:06:05
And developed with an existing 10,564 square foot, one Storey commercial building. It includes a storage business, retail clothing 00:06:10
store and retail liquor alcohol store with a deli. 00:06:16
The property is located within the cities area of special biological significance is not in the coastal zone or in an 00:06:23
archaeologically sensitive area. 00:06:28
The subject is not listed on the Historic Resources Inventory, however Phase One Historic Resource Assessment. 00:06:33
Conducted by Historic Resources Associates on October 4th, concluded that due to the building's date of construction, its 00:06:39
architectural integrity and association with a variety of individuals and businesses in downtown Pacific Grove during the 20th 00:06:44
century. 00:06:49
It is the opinion of Dana Supernova. It's the historian. 00:06:56
That he recommended that property is worthy of listing on the City's historic register under the California Register of Historic 00:07:00
Resources under criterion 3, the National Register of Historic Places under Criterion C, and the City of Pacific Grove. Criteria 00:07:06
for listing a history of property under criterion AD and H principally for its importance reflecting the theme of Mint and Revival 00:07:12
commercial architecture. 00:07:18
The project description is it includes minimal exterior upgrades, including the installation of a new and additional wood sash 00:07:25
front entrance and with matching windows to what's existing, matching the existing door and windows to the northwest corner of the 00:07:32
building on Grand Ave. and replacement of a single. 00:07:39
Steel door with a new double steel door to the entrance on the southeast corner of the building on Laurel Ave. 00:07:46
Again, these are minor upgrades. No changes to roof lines, just all. 00:07:53
Specifically these. 00:08:00
The subject property is located between Grand Ave. and Fountain Ave. and it's adjacent adjacent to Laurel Ave. the downtown 00:08:03
commercial zoning district. 00:08:07
With without having specific design guidelines for our commercial district, I have used our general plan as references. 00:08:14
For our findings in this and it the General Plan Land Use Policy 20 is a focus to city and private efforts on improvements in a 00:08:25
comprehensive strategy to enhance downtown and Policy 21 to upgrade visual quality of streets in the downtown District. 00:08:34
Staff recommends A Historic Resource Committee approve AP23-0278 Subjective Findings, Conditions of Approval and Sequel Guidelines 00:08:43
Section 15301, Class One Category Categorical Exemption for Existing facilities. I'm here for any questions. Thank you very much. 00:08:53
And thank you very much, Aram. 00:09:03
Applicant or the architect like to speak. 00:09:07
Thank you for. 00:09:13
Mr. Anton and members of the HRC, thank you for holding this special meeting today. I understand. 00:09:19
We're doing that because of the Thanksgiving holiday next week. 00:09:26
I appreciate being here before the holiday. 00:09:30
It's so you We have before us the facade along Grand Ave. which I consider to be the more important facade, and the changes we are 00:09:34
making to what currently is a retail space. 00:09:41
My intention was to try to playoff of the fenestration of the liquor store. 00:09:50
Adjacent to this retail. 00:09:56
Coming up with a pretty simple arrangement of doors and windows with transoms above. 00:10:01
A little room for signage for these two new office spaces. 00:10:08
And that's about it. And it's my opinion that. 00:10:12
Current fenestration of that retail space. 00:10:18
May not be original to the building anyways, is there? 00:10:22
Um. 00:10:28
Odd looking jealousies that I would assume were added at a later date, so I might. 00:10:29
Content that what we are upgrading here is not part of the original facade anyways, and my intention is to kind of bring it more 00:10:36
back to the style that was original reflected with the liquor store adjacent to it. 00:10:42
That's the most significant change that I believe the HRC should be concerned with today. 00:10:49
Minor consideration would be along Laurel Ave. the primary entrance into the existing storage facility we would like to. 00:10:58
Increase this the width of the current door from a single leaf door to a pair of steel doors. That opening would be punched into 00:11:09
AT111 plywood. 00:11:15
Infill wall that is not part of the original board form concrete. 00:11:23
Construction either. So again, I don't really see that as. 00:11:28
Deteriorating the original historic fabric, the building, because it's already been. 00:11:35
In filled with something more from the 70s I would, I would guess, yeah T1-11 so not not particularly precious facade right there. 00:11:40
So. 00:11:45
That about sums it up. It's a pretty simple project and I'm here if you have any questions. 00:11:51
I think you sort of answered this question already. I was curious about 229-B which is currently the retail the Nest Store. And I 00:12:01
was, I was curious as to what because I could tell obviously a renovation happened there because they got rid of the transom 00:12:08
windows and then I was curious as to when that happened, but I think you don't know when that happened either. 00:12:16
But. 00:12:24
It was just my observation that it did not appear to be part of the original fenestration with the funny jealousies and so forth. 00:12:26
And so I wasn't. 00:12:29
Too concerned about tearing into that opening and trying to bring it back into. 00:12:33
The style, what I assume is the more of the original fenestration with the liquor store adjacent to it, so. 00:12:39
Consider it to be a little bit of an upgrade. Hopefully and hopefully you agree I. 00:12:46
And then again, the minor modification along Laurel is is a pretty trivial adjustment to the facade as well. 00:12:51
Any other? 00:12:58
Yes, I just had one the roof line. Pardon me. 00:12:59
Pardon me? 00:13:04
We need to finish. 00:13:06
The speech 1st and then go to public comment. Public comment. Oh, sorry. 00:13:07
But to be clear, there is no modification to the roof line if that if that answers your question. 00:13:15
And I'll sit down. 00:13:19
Stay tuned, I would like to open now for public comment. 00:13:25
However, looking at the audience, I would guess that we probably have none. 00:13:30
So I'll close public comment and now. 00:13:35
Or HRC discuss. 00:13:38
So any. 00:13:42
My office for almost 30 years was right next door. 00:13:44
227. 00:13:49
So I'm very familiar with the building and you're right, it's been the windows and doors have been mushed around a little bit a 00:13:52
couple of times since then. 00:13:55
So Shavas used to own that building I guess and. 00:14:00
Yeah. 00:14:06
We messed around with the storage capacities and so forth, so yeah, you're right. I don't think there's anything there that is. 00:14:08
Rigidly historic. 00:14:16
But the mention in the application of two to seven. 00:14:19
Is sort of odd because it's a different building. Why is it mentioned in there? Could you come back to the podium then if we're 00:14:28
going to have questions? 00:14:32
Thank you. And and the other part of that is there's a mention of the bowling alley. 00:14:37
They're saying in in Dana Supernowitz's report that this was. 00:14:43
At one time, a bowling alley. The bowling alley. 00:14:49
Was it 227, not 22? 00:14:53
And I know that because the floor of the bowling alley was my office. 00:14:57
And the guy that owned. 00:15:02
He used to come by and look at it and go, Oh yeah, I did that repair on that. So I know it was the original. Well, I think that 00:15:05
that should be addressed in the historic report if that's the case. And I, I want to argue with you, Rick, you in this town a long 00:15:11
time. I want to make sure that there's the report, the permits, that whatever. 00:15:18
Permits that get issued or issued for 229 and when you mentioned 227 grand, is that in my drawing set or is that in the the 00:15:25
Historians report? 00:15:30
It's in the historians report sometimes the maps I will push together I will bring this forward with Dana it's an error on his end 00:15:35
I I and so it would be appropriate for him to correct it and and it could be just wasn't never clear in the in. 00:15:44
I remember when your office was was in the adjacent building down the hallway and. 00:15:55
So that was the bowling alley. 00:16:02
Yes, OK. I mean, Dana told me he thought this was the bowling alley, but clearly he was wrong. If if you know where the bowling 00:16:04
alley floor was, then I'm not going to. A lot of people used to come and go. Didn't this used to be a bowling alley? You know, not 00:16:09
just me. 00:16:13
OK. So that should be corrected in Denny's report. Yeah, OK. Seems fair enough. 00:16:20
Are there other questions for Hun? 00:16:25
Just confirm it is Dana's letter that says 227 to 229 grand. 00:16:28
I will bring that forward with Dana and we'll get that adjusted in his report. I do have just a question when I look at the front 00:16:34
of the building and I'm Speaking of the the Grand Ave. side. 00:16:39
When you see the the central area that. 00:16:45
The windows up above the big windows. I'm not sure what the right term is. 00:16:49
Pardon me, I would call them transom windows. The transom windows, thank you. Why would you not line up the ones AT2I presume 00:16:55
that's 227. Why not line those transit windows up with the others? Is it because of the elevation change it would interface with 00:17:00
the? 00:17:06
The. 00:17:13
Floor of the the new storage proposed storage inside so it would it would interfere with that and and. 00:17:15
So we're trying to keep the the windows down below that to the best of our ability. At the same time, I'm trying to match the 00:17:21
style of those transoms because I thought they were charming. 00:17:27
To answer your question, if we raised things up higher we would have a conflict between the proposed structure which will be 00:17:37
inside. You won't see that but it's it's a consideration for where we set the elevation of the windows. I mean it's it's not a 00:17:43
huge thing but when I look at the side, you know all the windows line up and then I look at the front and then it drops down and I 00:17:49
kind of just wondered why that was. Well there is a, there is a good reason and it just it just doesn't work with with what we're 00:17:55
trying to do inside understand so. 00:18:01
I was trying to you know, I was trying to kind of bring back some of that to the the same elements of style of that fenestration, 00:18:07
but it just. 00:18:11
Lifting it up any hires is the transoms would be buried in the storage units above, not not where we want them in in the. 00:18:14
Proposed office spaces along the street. 00:18:24
Any other questions? 00:18:28
Do we have a motion? 00:18:31
One way or the other. 00:18:33
Approve the application as. 00:18:38
Thank you. Do we have a? 00:18:43
I'll second it. 00:18:45
So. 00:18:47
Steer seconded by Gran. 00:18:49
Maybe we have a roll call vote, please, Yes, Vice Chair. 00:18:52
Aye, member Grannis. 00:18:56
Member Bickett. 00:19:00
Chair Anton. 00:19:03
Member Greening. 00:19:06
We have Five Eyes, 0 nays, motion passes. 00:19:08
All right, and. 00:19:12
Thank you for coming. 00:19:15
All right. We'll move to Item 8B, election of Historic Resources Committee secretary. 00:19:16
Do we we have a staff report? 00:19:24
Good afternoon, chair and committee. 00:19:29
As of October 25th, 2023, the Historic Resources Committee has had a vacancy for the office of Secretary. 00:19:33
The secretary plays an essential role in providing true and correct minutes for the committee records. Staff recommends the. 00:19:43
Historic Resource Committee Elector Secretary today. 00:19:52
And I'd like to set some ground. 00:19:56
The committee chair will ask for nominations for the office of secretary. 00:20:00
Members of the committee may nominate themselves or any other member of the committee. No second is required. 00:20:05
Once nominations are complete. 00:20:12
The chair will close nominations, announce the slave nominees, and ask for a vote on the nominees in the order of NOM. 00:20:14
Each voting member of the committee shall have one vote. 00:20:23
The nominee receiving votes from a majority of Members in attendance shall be declared the winner. 00:20:26
If no member receives a major. 00:20:32
The process shall be repeated except in the event of a tie between the two. 00:20:34
The top two vote getters, in which case a runoff shall be. 00:20:39
The winner shall assume the office. 00:20:43
Of secretary immediately. 00:20:46
I guess I would open the public comment. 00:20:51
All right, close public comment. 00:20:57
And bring it back here. 00:21:00
I would like to nominate Jennifer. 00:21:05
Thank you. 00:21:08
Yeah. 00:21:14
Do we have any other nominations? 00:21:19
Someone want? 00:21:22
Well, Full disclosure, I did reach out to three people on the committee separately and was declined on all three. 00:21:28
Parts And so I. 00:21:37
Have the feeling we will not be having a secretary. 00:21:41
Do we need to vote on that or do we just drop it? 00:21:44
We just drop it, all right. I could, if I may, yes, You may also if you could make a request to staff because we'll have someone 00:21:48
to do the minutes and so if you could send it to an e-mail or or do it now that they will be. 00:21:56
Doing. 00:22:05
Or request that they do the minutes. 00:22:07
May I request that staff be our secretary and I will be my your faithful helper. 00:22:09
All right. Moving on. We have one more item that would be 8 seed regarding the minutes there was. 00:22:17
A small little. 00:22:26
Regarding. 00:22:28
Let's see, I forgot to. Well, it was regarding the minutes from last time. 00:22:31
Thank you. 00:22:40
The motion was made by Mr. Steers and. 00:22:42
By Miss Green. 00:22:45
It was incorrectly reported a different way, so we'll make that change. 00:22:48
Can we go ahead and approve them now or do we have to bring them back at the next meeting? 00:22:53
So can we with that change? Can we? 00:22:58
Have a motion to approve the minutes from the October meeting, please. 00:23:02
I'll approve the minutes from the October. 00:23:08
Thank. 00:23:11
Do we have a second? 00:23:12
Greening second. 00:23:16
Roll call vote. 00:23:18
Memory picket, yes. 00:23:20
Member Greening Yes. 00:23:23
For. 00:23:26
Yes. 00:23:28
Chair Anton. 00:23:29
Vice chair of Steers. 00:23:32
5. 00:23:35
0 nays motion passes. 00:23:37
And just for clarity here this was. 00:23:41
A. From the last meeting. 00:23:47
I didn't write that down, all right, Moving on, new business, we have nothing on our agenda. And Please note that the next meeting 00:23:50
will be also. 00:23:56
Moved up one week and also moved up to 1:00 on December 20th. 00:24:01
And with that, what happened? 00:24:07
What happened? 00:24:10
1115, Milton Place, We approved it on the consent agenda. Oh. 00:24:11
All right. With that, I would like to declare the meeting. 00:24:18
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