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This meeting to order, this is the Architectural Review Board. 00:00:03
Meeting for Tuesday, November 14th. It's 301. 00:00:07
Could we have a roll call please? 00:00:13
Yes. 00:00:17
Chair Boyle. 00:00:20
Here, Vice Chair Eldridge. 00:00:22
Member Bornstein. 00:00:25
Here, Member Brooks here and Secretary Sutton here. All five Members are present. 00:00:27
Item two, we need to get an approval of the agenda. 00:00:38
Everybody have a chance to. 00:00:42
Take a look at that. 00:00:47
I'll move that we approve the agenda. 00:00:59
OK. 00:01:09
Member set. 00:01:12
Member Brooks. 00:01:17
A. 00:01:20
Chair Boyle, Vice Chair E. 00:01:22
And member Bornstein motion carries 5 to 0. 00:01:26
Great. And do we have any staff announcements? 00:01:33
Have you guys met our interim? 00:01:39
Who's Lou Bowman? Our interim director? Hi. 00:01:43
Nice to meet you. 00:01:48
We do. 00:01:53
Any staff announce? 00:01:56
Other than that, no. OK Oh, I already said staff number, any board announcements from anybody? 00:01:58
I just had one I wanted to encourage everybody to. 00:02:06
Kind of. 00:02:11
Get in the, know about the. 00:02:12
Proposed new. 00:02:16
Location or potential location of the. 00:02:18
Mini skateboard park. They're talking about it at this week's Chamber or Not chamber City Council meeting, so I thought it would 00:02:22
be an. 00:02:27
Topic for us. 00:02:33
Look into. 00:02:34
That was. 00:02:36
Well, it's not on the agenda, so we we can chat later. 00:02:40
Um. 00:02:45
And OK, now we are item number 4, council liaison announcements. 00:02:46
Miss. 00:02:54
Hello, good afternoon Chair Boyle and board members. 00:02:56
On November 1st we did uphold the appeal for 773775. 00:03:01
Ocean View Blvd. That was on the November 1st agenda and then also the housing element was sent off with blessings on 11/3. 00:03:08
Extremely important to know. We also held our first reading of the Cannabis License and Zoning Ordinance. That's all I have per 00:03:14
day. Have a great meeting. 00:03:20
Thank you for. 00:03:27
OK, now I'm going to ask staff for help on how do we handle general public comment. Do I need to do anything different or just 00:03:32
it's whoever's present is able to come up? OK, thank you. 00:03:39
Receive letters earlier from members of the public. Thank you for that clarification. So item five General public comment. At this 00:03:46
time. We can hear from anybody in the audience for three minutes. 00:03:52
Anything related to? 00:03:59
The city, but not anything that's on our agenda and you can step up to the podium. 00:04:02
If you. 00:04:08
Seeing none, we will close general public comment and. 00:04:15
Just acknowledge that we've received written public comment, correct. 00:04:21
That's correct. OK. 00:04:26
Moving right along to the consent agenda. 00:04:28
Item 7 reports requiring action. We have a. 00:04:36
ARB Minutes. 00:04:42
Can we get did anybody, everybody have a chance to review those? 00:04:46
Can we get a motion? 00:04:54
Approve the consent agenda. 00:04:56
Oh, I need to open that for public comment. 00:04:59
My apologies. 00:05:01
Would. 00:05:03
From the audience care. 00:05:04
Remove anything from the consent agenda. 00:05:08
Don't see none. OK, We'll close that and bring it back to the board. 00:05:13
Anybody care to make a motion or want to pull anything from the consent agenda? 00:05:19
I think we can get a motion maybe. 00:05:28
To approve the Minutes. 00:05:34
OK, in a second. 00:05:36
I can second it. 00:05:38
Great, we have a motion in a second. Can we get a roll call vote please? Yes Member born. 00:05:40
Aye, Secretary Sutphin. Aye Chair Boyle. Aye, Vice chair Eldridge. 00:05:46
Member Brooks Aye motion passes 5 to 0. 00:05:52
Great. Thank you so much. A regular agenda. 00:05:56
We. 00:06:01
Item 8A. Architectural Permit AP22 Dash. 00:06:03
00074150 14th St. Do we have a staff report? 00:06:07
Will do I will be giving. 00:06:14
And good afternoon, Chair Boyle and board members. 00:06:16
This is let me pull this up. 00:06:21
I'm presenting architectural permit 22-0007. 00:06:34
150 14th St. and This project is proposed the demolition of an existing 383.3 square foot single family dwelling in the 00:06:40
construction of a 1191 square foot two-story single family dwelling with a roof garden terrace. The subject property is located on 00:06:48
the West side of 14th St. between Lighthouse Ave. and Doc Ricketts Row. 00:06:56
This side is approximately 1800 square feet and developed with a single story, 383 square foot single family home. 00:07:05
And a 239 square foot single story detached accessory dwelling unit. 00:07:12
The property is zoned R3 PGR in the Pacific Grove Retreat Area. The property is not in the Coastal Zone, Archaeological Zone or on 00:07:18
the Historic Resources Inventory. 00:07:23
On April 13th, 2022 this project was scheduled to be heard before the Architectural Review Board, but was continued through 00:07:29
several meetings to September 9th, 2022 and at that meeting the ARB continued the item identifying the following concerns and one 00:07:36
is that what was called the Stair tower was out of scale with the proposed structure and neighboring properties. There was a large 00:07:43
window facing 148 14th St. and it was out of proportion with the proposed structure. 00:07:50
And the proposed design was not consistent with guidelines. Architectural Review Guidelines numbers 24252728 and 29. 00:07:58
Of the Pacific Grove Architectural Review Guidelines. 00:08:07
In response to the concerns, the applicant submitted revised plans dated October 8, 2023, which one eliminated the stair tower and 00:08:11
reduced the building height to 24 feet, 24 1/2 feet. They incorporated A and recessed the roof terrace into the roof design. 00:08:19
And eliminated the single large window facing 148th 14th St. which now proposes 2 smaller windows. 00:08:28
The property is located in a residential neighborhood. It's surrounded by small, medium and large size, one and two Storey single 00:08:36
family and multifamily residences. The property is on the same block as large commercial structures and within a neighborhood 00:08:41
containing large institutional structures, basically churches. 00:08:47
General Plan Program C, and one of the issues was some of the bulk An area Program C of the General Plan recommended that. 00:08:59
The city. 00:09:11
Revise the heightened lot coverage standards to regulate the size and mass of residential additions, which was done in Pacific 00:09:13
Grove Municipal Code. 00:09:17
23.26 point 040 and 23.26 point 060 which are building height limit and allowed site coverage respectively. 00:09:21
Staff recommends the Architectural Review Board approved AP 220007 subject to findings, conditions of approval and sequel 00:09:34
guidelines. Section 15301, Class 1. Categorical exemptions for existing facilities. 00:09:40
And I am available if you have any questions. 00:09:47
Thank you. 00:09:52
Hi. 00:09:56
Right. Do we have an applicant that would care to? 00:09:58
Give a. 00:10:02
No, there's a little button down below. 00:10:08
Try that. There we go. There we go. OK. Hi, my name is Bill Maverick. I'm an architect. I'm representing the owner. I did not 00:10:12
design this. These are not my drawings. I'm just saying that to begin with. But anyway. 00:10:17
The the owner came to me. 00:10:25
And. 00:10:28
You know what can we do with this because. 00:10:29
Her. Her designer, Manuel wasn't responding to her. But anyway, So what we did, we ended up. 00:10:33
Reducing the height got rid of the tower effectively. We still have the roof deck. It does have an exterior stair which is 00:10:41
enclosed within the facade of the building. 00:10:46
And then? 00:10:52
The IT actually has a four foot. 00:10:54
Wall basically around it. That will help to prevent sound from going to the neighbors. When you're seated, you're not even going 00:10:57
to be probably able to see the neighbors I. 00:11:03
As well as well the fire pivots up. There will be a gas fire pit. I know that was one of the neighbors concerns the. 00:11:10
As far as the coverage and the set back goes, as I'm addressing some of a letter from one of the neighbors, the set back is 00:11:20
allowed at 5050% of the site, can be 4 feet from the property line, which is what we've done. And if the neighbor just to the I 00:11:25
call it to the north to the right of the property. 00:11:31
Literally is about 3 1/2 feet from the property line for most of the building and two houses to the South. It again, it has a 00:11:39
section that is the 4 foot setbacks so. 00:11:45
It's nothing that's unusual on this street. 00:11:52
The as far as the lights go that are shown in the renderings. 00:11:56
Again, it wasn't the the designer is an artist and he wanted to just be dramatic and show. 00:12:01
You know. 00:12:07
Show off the building so the the lights are required to Shinedown there so they wouldn't be as dramatic or as much light as shown 00:12:08
in in those renderings. As far as the style and not fitting with the neighborhood, you know there's a diversity of styles already 00:12:16
on the on the street and this house is more contemporary than than the other houses, but you know as far as. 00:12:25
You know the neighbor just to the South of it, which is a two-story building. I'm sure had there been air be at the time would 00:12:35
have met with about the same amount of resistance as we're getting on this one because it is different from what was on this on 00:12:40
the street. 00:12:44
So. 00:12:50
That's pretty much so it. So any questions? 00:12:53
Great. Thank you. Do you guys have any questions for Mr. Medford at this? OK, we'll call you back up for you. Thanks, Bill. 00:12:57
All right. Any of the member, any members of the public, care to make some comments? You feel free to come on up and you'll have 3 00:13:04
minutes. 00:13:09
Can you hear me? OK, so a neighbor on the 14th St. we were here last year discussing this property and I appreciate the changes 00:13:21
that have been made. Certainly the tower was extraordinary from our viewpoint. The house on the corner which is to the north 00:13:28
actually dates, gosh, I think it's to the 1920s or even earlier on that corner. So that was sort of the style what they did at the 00:13:36
time it was remodeled and they. 00:13:44
Completed the stucco, but that's exactly what it was. 00:13:51
To give you an idea of these houses, there's three houses that are in conjunction. They were all originally one. 00:13:54
Contained group and then John Mandarango split them and so that's where you get into some of the issues. But. 00:14:00
They're very small lots. Everybody is very tight, very close together. This particular house is non conforming. It has a unit 00:14:08
that's directly on the property line. So there's a number of issues. They're not remodeling that unit which sort of. 00:14:15
Makes a disconnect style wise, if anything because the back unit is going to be completely different than what this front unit is. 00:14:22
Let me say that the design is a pretty design. I mean, certainly I think the aesthetic and especially where it's drawn is 00:14:29
attractive. The issue is it doesn't work with the neighborhood. 00:14:35
It's not. It's quite a bit more modern looking. 00:14:41
You're absolutely right in the comments that were made that there is a sort of a mixed mass, but generally it's a cottage style 00:14:46
with yards that are in front and in the back and what we're concerned about here. 00:14:51
The factors I think that were if you have all received the letter that was sent. 00:14:58
Very concerned about the rooftop deck. 00:15:03
Even if it's four feet, you're not going to be sitting unless everybody's going to be doing squats when they walk up there. You 00:15:06
know, people are going to be standing to get their people are going to be standing drinking, whatever they're doing. So there's 00:15:12
concern about the noise level, There's concern about the fire pit particularly. 00:15:17
The homes are old. 00:15:25
That whole area, 15th and four. 00:15:26
And there's concern, even if it's a gas fireplace, there's still open flame. 00:15:28
And the idea that he would have open flame at that height, with wooden houses all around, plus the breeze is coming in from the 00:15:33
ocean, says things could easily transfer someone drops something into the fire. So anyway, it's a safety concern. 00:15:40
The other big piece is because that rooftop deck is literally the privacy. Although in the way that the houses are so close 00:15:48
together, everybody kind of does their entertaining to their backyard, which are the private pieces. With this house, the way it's 00:15:54
been designed, that's no longer the case. You're not going to have that privacy. 00:16:00
You're also directly looking into bedroom windows of the houses that are behind it into the side. Is that my three months? 00:16:06
Anyway, so I thank you for your consideration on this. It's been an ongoing issue, so I appreciate it. Thank you for your state, 00:16:16
your name for the record. 00:16:20
Thank you, Shayla Sullivan. Appreciate that. 00:16:26
Anybody else from the audience care to speak? 00:16:32
No. OK. We're going to close public comment then bring it back to the board. 00:16:39
Have a burning desire to go. 00:16:46
Any comments? 00:16:51
I'll take a stab at it. 00:16:56
I appreciate the revisions from the. 00:16:59
Proposed design that we looked at some time ago. 00:17:02
It's certainly less. 00:17:06
I also appreciate the the reduction in the the the large arched window that looked directly into the adjacent neighbor that's 00:17:09
been. 00:17:14
Rained down quite. 00:17:20
Perhaps not enough for the neighbors. 00:17:23
Taste, but it does look like a large reduction in the square footage of glazing staring into the side yard. 00:17:27
The home itself has some Mediterranean flair to it. It's it's contemporary, but it's not without some context to. 00:17:40
Styles that I've seen in Pacific Grove. 00:17:49
See some talent in the designer. 00:17:56
I know it's. 00:17:59
Some of the neighbors have concerns and and I want to make sure I'm hearing them all but. 00:18:01
I. 00:18:06
The roof deck. 00:18:08
I appreciate that it's consolidated into the center of the building's mass, so it's not looming over one side yard. 00:18:11
I can't blame them for wanting to have a. 00:18:22
Up high where they could capture a view of the ocean and if. 00:18:25
Below the height limits and consistent with the city's policies, it's hard to object to. 00:18:28
Believe there's a. 00:18:39
Fire hazard concern with a gas fireplace and if the fire Marshall vets it and it's consistent with fire code I. 00:18:41
That'll be worked out with the building officials. 00:18:49
I'll leave it at that. 00:18:52
OK, I have a few comments. 00:18:59
I think overall I found the plan set to be a bit incomplete and unclear. 00:19:02
Starting with the description of the. 00:19:10
It's referencing a single family dwelling. 00:19:14
But then we have this studio in the back, so just like clarification if that's an Adu. 00:19:18
And on the application that was or the data sheet that was submitted and I understand that it's been revisions. 00:19:25
There was a reference to adding a loft and 1/2. 00:19:32
To the studio, but I see that's been removed and that could have just been lost on a previous version. 00:19:37
Um. 00:19:43
So just clarification on the scope, is that single family dwelling plus Adu? 00:19:44
This is looks like a complete. 00:19:50
I recall I watched the last meeting and I know there was a request to have a survey to verify the height as it was. 00:19:54
Close to reaching that limit and while this has been reduced. 00:20:04
Personally, I would request a survey for any home that's being demoed and rebuilt. I know these are small lots, but it just seems 00:20:10
like it should be standard practice if you're demoing. 00:20:15
While that set back is in conformance with. 00:20:23
Um. 00:20:29
I think to not have a survey would be a miss. 00:20:30
And I just don't think that the site plan. 00:20:33
Overlaid on GIS, is is adequate or sufficient? 00:20:38
Another aspect, the roof. 00:20:43
Are quite dramatic and a little aggressive. 00:20:48
I think it does. 00:20:53
Kind of a unique design element. 00:20:54
While they don't count against coverage, they contribute to coverage. 00:20:58
And on a lot, that's so. 00:21:02
To have that think they're about 2 1/2. 00:21:06
And you have a four foot set back. I mean, you're practically over the sidewalk. 00:21:09
And looking at this site, the windows that were reduced. 00:21:15
I did notice today that they face the neighbors side yard and there aren't any windows on that side. So so. 00:21:21
That's. 00:21:29
But the windows in front in my opinion. 00:21:30
Are also a little oversized. 00:21:34
Umm. 00:21:36
For the house. 00:21:38
And then I didn't see. 00:21:41
Plan set page with any kind of colors and materials. 00:21:44
I think that would be appreci. 00:21:47
And then I'm assuming with to address the fire safety hazard because it's a demo. 00:21:51
That it would require. 00:21:57
OK. And then the lighting, I think having that down, down light is a. 00:22:00
Is necessary there? 00:22:07
And then yes, just more clarification on how this. 00:22:10
Connects to that Adu. This is such a tight space, there's barely a foot behind that that other structure. 00:22:15
Just like to understand that. 00:22:22
That relationship. 00:22:24
Overall, I appreciate the efforts to to revise, but I do feel it's a bit incongruent with the. 00:22:27
With the street in this location. 00:22:33
I'm. 00:22:39
Playoff Anna, because my questions were also on the ADUS. So is it Bill? Is that right? 00:22:41
Are you able to address that? Because I was also confused about whether the Adu is being changed out because, well, I think what 00:22:46
we'll do is maybe we'll go through everybody and then we'll get a list of things and then we'll we'll ask our questions in total. 00:22:53
Yeah, My questions are on the. 00:23:02
And on the front? 00:23:04
Window size. 00:23:06
Those are the two pieces that I was really questioning. 00:23:08
So I'll leave it at that. Thank. 00:23:11
Great. 00:23:13
I think the comments by my colleagues are on point, as as usual, I don't have particularly anything. 00:23:17
To add to them, I didn't have really any concerns with the. 00:23:24
With the eaves I. 00:23:29
Like them, and it seemed through the drawings that they. 00:23:32
I didn't. I didn't get. 00:23:37
Understanding that they would be, you know, reaching out to a dramatic effect. 00:23:40
Just just my comment on that. I also think the windows. 00:23:44
I didn't have any particular problems with the front facing windows or the windows facing on the north. 00:23:49
Elevation. 00:23:54
And I already mentioned the South facing elevation on that northern house. 00:23:56
Has has no windows on and it's a complete blank. 00:24:03
Umm. 00:24:06
It's nice to hear that the fire pit was gas. I agree with all my colleagues that that be addressed by the building. 00:24:09
And. 00:24:16
And it was good to hear from Bill regarding the exterior lighting. I just wanted to, I would just want to confirm. 00:24:18
That all exterior lighting. 00:24:28
Shielded and downward facing. 00:24:31
Doesn't look like that in in the renderings of the drawings, but understand that. 00:24:35
That might not be what they actually look. 00:24:40
That was all I had. Oh, the only other comment I had was with respect to there was a comment. 00:24:43
From. 00:24:49
A comment made by the public regarding a potential tree concern. It didn't seem like there. 00:24:51
It didn't seem like. 00:24:57
Tree on the. 00:24:59
West. 00:25:01
Right. The northeast portion of the home didn't seem like it was going to affect the. 00:25:04
At least really the branches on. 00:25:11
I did that. There were some trees I noticed. 00:25:14
Act of the home and I just kind of wanted to confirm and make sure that. 00:25:17
That. 00:25:21
The building had addressed I guess, all all the requirements with respect to. 00:25:24
Not infringing. 00:25:30
On the trees. 00:25:32
Oh, thank you. I'll kind of close, close this out and then we'll ask. 00:25:35
Mr. Medford to come up and maybe have some chats with us, but I'm very happy with the modifications, I think the home. 00:25:41
Looks exponentially better. 00:25:51
But yeah, of course, it's always difficult when you have a quaint little neighborhood and then you get something that looks 00:25:55
different. And I think we're seeing that in many, many neighborhoods in Pacific Grove. Same thing with rooftop decks. That's. 00:26:02
That seems to be a trend I. 00:26:10
I. 00:26:13
To explore a little bit more about the eaves I they didn't strike me as really big and then when you. 00:26:15
Brought up the actual dimension, I thought, oh wow, those are quite large, so I don't know. I would like to get, you know, a 00:26:26
design professionals. 00:26:31
Sort of take on that. 00:26:37
But All in all, I am much happier with. 00:26:41
This second. 00:26:46
That's all. 00:26:49
Could you come up and? 00:26:51
Have a conversation. 00:26:53
Yes, I again Bill Medford, in case it needs to go into the record. 00:26:55
I I'm not fully versed. I, the owner is supposed to be here. She's coming down from San Francisco. So on the Adu part of it, it's 00:27:01
my understanding that it is remaining as it is. It's obviously in the back of the house and yes, it wouldn't be the same style 00:27:07
but. 00:27:13
Who? 00:27:20
First off, but anyway. 00:27:21
It's. 00:27:24
That's as much as I know about the Adu at the moment. 00:27:28
I wish I could answer you more questions for you. 00:27:31
The as far as the the. 00:27:35
The eaves, They are two feet plus the gutter. 00:27:38
So that's a fairly. 00:27:43
On many houses in Pacific Grove you have between 1 foot. 00:27:47
18 inch and two foot eaves. So it's it. 00:27:53
Quote UN quote standard. 00:27:58
And then as far as the tree goes, I I just drove past it. 00:28:02
Just before the meeting and the the tree on the northeast corner will probably require some limbs to be trimmed, but it's not 00:28:08
affecting the tree. 00:28:12
In any that I that I can tell, and we'd obviously have an arborist take a look at it. 00:28:17
In any major fashion. 00:28:23
As far as the trees in the back, I believe they occur back by the where the Adu is currently and aren't affected by the main 00:28:26
house. 00:28:31
Any other? Oh, the survey. We did have a survey and she had certain she had sent it into the city. I don't know. 00:28:39
As far as that goes, but yes, we would have the height surveyed, obviously. OK And a boundary survey, yeah, we have a boundary 00:28:47
survey. We got it surveyed, OK And there is a survey from a surveyor. Oh, great, a licensed surveyor, so. 00:28:53
Can you just talk us through, so we're looking at the page, if you can see a 13 here. 00:29:01
So it looks like there is a little, is there a breezeway between the. Yes, there is. So is there internal, is it accessible? 00:29:09
There's there's not internal circulation. I think it's it's just a covering so that you can actually walk under it to get into the 00:29:14
Adu. It's kind of there's a little space in between. 00:29:20
The two, and those are just outdoor closets. I think one is 1 is a utility closet and I'm not certain what the other one is. Is it 00:29:26
is it? Can you walk across that? Is there. OK, So there's going to be another deck on top of this. No, no, no. I'm sorry. You 00:29:32
can't walk across on the 2nd floor. It's it's it's a roof over it. Got it. 00:29:38
But there's not. It's not a deck of any sort, and you can't get out onto it. 00:29:45
And then how do you access the rooftop? Oh, I see those are the stairs, right? Yeah, there's there's stairs on the. 00:29:49
I was just looking at the drawings earlier on the floor plan of the 2nd floor, the wall which separates the stair from the 00:29:55
hallway. I should actually be an exterior wall, It should be a wall. And there's a door, There'll be a door going in so. 00:30:01
That stairway is actually an exterior stair. 00:30:08
Oh, I see on this. 00:30:13
The second floor stairway. 00:30:15
But it's behind obviously the. 00:30:19
And just to clarify, while it's on my mind because it may slip, is. 00:30:22
All you know, these pictures are very pretty, but somebody did take a lot of creative license because we have a very rigorous and 00:30:29
strict lighting policy, so we have a dark sky policy so that we don't even need to really mention it, I think. But I just for the 00:30:36
record, wanted people to know, like this is a pretty picture that's not actually what the lighting is exactly. 00:30:43
Another question. 00:30:54
I'm noticing. 00:30:56
A-01. 00:31:00
This is the proposed this is the north elevation. 00:31:02
And it appears that the. 00:31:06
Are. 00:31:10
Interfacing with these second story windows in a rather odd. 00:31:11
Way. I mean the stair Stringer is running right through them and. 00:31:17
That just seems. 00:31:22
Amiss from whoever's designing it, because there's What's the point of having windows interfacing with the Stringer? Yes, exactly. 00:31:25
So the the the window to the back window there would actually effectively be a false window. 00:31:32
Just to kind of make the, make the. 00:31:39
Symmetry of the elevation because of the fact that obviously the the share Stringer runs right through it. 00:31:43
The we would have to study the the middle window. I know I mentioned that to the to the designer. 00:31:51
When? 00:31:58
We talked about this and he obviously didn't address. 00:32:00
Yeah, but it is the same situation occurring with the the two lower the larger arched window, so so the the a larger arched. So 00:32:03
basically the way the stair is, is it's floating in there, it's not attached to the wall. So yes the glass would run. 00:32:11
There, and you would be seeing the Stringer running, running. If you're looking into that window, you would see the Stringer 00:32:20
running past it. OK, so that's intentional. That's intentional, yes. 00:32:25
But on the second level, the stairs that get you to the roof deck, it's yeah, part, but yeah, above it is exterior and below it is 00:32:30
interior. So we have to, we have to actually deal with how that is actually interfacing. 00:32:36
And then OK. And then as far as this Adu or the little building in the back, it's existing non conforming so? 00:32:43
Whether you wanted to or not, you you really can't do much to it other than paint it and maintain it correct. There's no 00:32:51
structural modifications of any sort and. 00:32:56
The easy thing to do is to say no. 00:33:00
OK. 00:33:08
I think I've. I think I'm done talking. 00:33:12
OK. Any more questions? 00:33:16
Just can you walk me through the design thinking behind these large picture windows that look into the bedroom upstairs? 00:33:26
And the downstairs, so, so the the idea obviously in in in Pacific Grove with as much fog as we get is to get as much light in as 00:33:35
possible that you we can't really get. 00:33:40
You know a lot of light from the South because there's a two-story building there and you know from the north we have the 00:33:47
stairwell et cetera, et cetera. So the idea is to is to. 00:33:52
Keep with the the theme of the of the Palladian window. 00:33:57
And and get as much light into that bedroom as possible. 00:34:03
The upstairs, the 2nd floor is what she's talking about. 00:34:12
I think what the scale does for me, it almost makes the building appear larger. You have these kind of dramatic eaves, these large 00:34:16
windows. 00:34:22
With lots of. 00:34:29
Divided lights there. 00:34:32
I don't think it helps diminish the size. 00:34:35
This isn't a deal breaker, but my preference would be to see those windows. 00:34:40
Made a little bit smaller. They I believe they are right now like 8 feet wide and we could potentially take them to six feet wide, 00:34:47
which I think might help. 00:34:51
Your your address your concern. 00:34:57
That would mimic the upstairs window as well. That would be the both both, yeah. It would be the same downstairs and upstairs. 00:35:03
Make it a little feel, a little more, yeah. And to. 00:35:11
I'm not a designer, just play one on the ARB, but for me it's really the upstairs window that and I totally appreciate the need to 00:35:15
capture as much light as possible and. 00:35:21
So it's really just that, I think that bedroom, that kind of privacy. 00:35:28
Room. 00:35:32
Might want to reconsider that. 00:35:34
But keep it balanced with, right? Yeah, right. 00:35:35
One more comment. 00:35:43
Umm. 00:35:46
Kudos to Chair Bornstein for bringing up some good points. 00:35:47
Um. 00:35:52
The. 00:35:53
I kind of agree that the depth of them. 00:35:54
That the. 00:35:59
Building is large relative to its. 00:36:01
Struct. 00:36:06
Reining them in maybe just a little bit 6 inches. 00:36:08
It would be a way of reducing the mass. 00:36:12
Taking away anything that the owner is trying to achieve. 00:36:16
Just sharing a little bit more sunlight. 00:36:21
The neighbors. 00:36:24
And and it I don't think you're losing nothing really. 00:36:26
But if you brought these overhangs down a bit, I think it would look just as good. I mean, it's an interesting design. I 00:36:33
appreciate a lot of the art behind it. I just I think it that. 00:36:38
And I didn't bring come up catch it. But I agree the the the the depth of these overhangs is is rather large for this neighborhood 00:36:43
and if you had bigger setbacks and more space between them it really wouldn't be an issue. But here I think it is well and I I I 00:36:51
also feel and I brought this up to the designer as well that the the view, the way he has the views. 00:36:59
Make those eaves feel huge. 00:37:08
Yeah, 'cause you're looking up at them. Yeah. So anyway, I think, I think that. 00:37:13
I appreciate your concern about them. I had a similar concern at first as well. 00:37:18
It could ultimately help get more light into the house. 00:37:27
To pull up back to the 24 now. So if they were pulled back to 18, yeah. 00:37:31
OK. Thank you. 00:37:41
I'm here all day if you need me. 00:37:44
I do have one more question. I'm sorry, Sir, just because we don't have the kind of materials, page and color, is this a? 00:37:46
Metal roof, yes. So the it's the same materials that were in the original. 00:37:53
Submittal so I didn't that didn't get put in apparently. So yes, it is a metal roof. 00:38:00
Thank you. I thought I saw. Or is it or is it tile? Or is it clay tile I you know? 00:38:06
Which would? 00:38:11
Is it? Is it? Is it called out on the drawings? 00:38:14
That's the style that I I think originally it was supposed to be clay tile, so. 00:38:18
Wait, wait. 00:38:24
Spanish roof tiles. It is clay tile. It's not metal. 00:38:25
For misleading you. 00:38:30
Just cement. 00:38:34
Yep. 00:38:36
All right. 00:38:41
All right, so it doesn't sound like it would be a deal breaker to reduce the width of those windows from 8 feet to six. And the 00:38:46
eaves? 00:38:50
Possibly by 6 inches. 00:38:54
If. Umm. 00:38:57
If we want more discussion on that, we certainly can have it or if somebody would like to make an attempt at. 00:39:01
Uh. 00:39:07
Motion. We can go that route. 00:39:08
Still thinking, I don't. I don't want to pass you if you haven't turned in all your homework. 00:39:20
Sharp oil if I may ask. 00:39:28
Just to clarify when you are. 00:39:31
Making a request for the windows, is there a specific design guideline number or finding for us to because we'll need to place 00:39:34
that in the? 00:39:38
Permit. 00:39:47
Yeah. 00:39:49
One moment. 00:39:52
At 33 you could use 33. Door and window proportions should relate to scale and style of the building itself. 00:40:00
For the windows, yes. 00:40:08
Maybe even 35 The facade in context with. 00:40:11
Porches overhang and then 34 for the overhangs for the eaves. 00:40:21
We'll just need to state those in the in the motion. Would that be correct? 00:40:30
Yes, please. Thank you. 00:40:36
We're thinking Bear with us. 00:40:56
I can make a stab. Somebody wants me to make a. 00:42:33
I don't want to take anybody's. 00:42:37
OK, so I would. 00:42:41
Prop. 00:42:48
That we. 00:42:52
Architectural permit 220007. Subject to findings, Conditions of Approval and Sequela Guidelines. Sections 15301. Class 1. 00:42:58
Categorical Exemption for Existing Facilities with the following. 00:43:06
Modifications. 00:43:16
Reduce the width. 00:43:20
First floor. 00:43:22
Windows St. facing from 8 feet down to six feet. 00:43:26
And. 00:43:32
Reduce the roof overhangs from 2 feet to 1 feet 6. 00:43:34
Citing guidelines. 00:43:43
33. 00:43:48
Yes, Guidelines 3330. 00:43:49
And 30. 00:43:53
That. 00:44:00
I'll second. 00:44:03
We have a motion in a second. Can we get a roll call vote please? 00:44:05
Yes, chair. 00:44:10
Aye, Secretary Sutton A. 00:44:11
Vice. Chair Eld. 00:44:15
Member Brooks. 00:44:17
Aye member. 00:44:19
No. 00:44:21
No. 00:44:22
OK Motion passes 4 to one and the motion is to approve architectural permit 22-0007 subject to the findings and conditions of 00:44:23
approval, including the secret exemptions. 00:44:30
With the following added conditions to reduce the width of the windows on the 1st and 2nd floor St. facing windows from 8 feet to 00:44:39
six feet and to reduce the overhang from 2 feet to 1. 00:44:46
Foot 6 inches. 00:44:53
And this would include Architectural Design Guidelines 3334 and 35. 00:44:56
Thank. 00:45:02
Right. We have no item 9/10/11. Our next meeting is December 12th. 00:45:08
And meeting adjourned. It's 346. Thank you. 00:45:18
Thank you. 00:45:23
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We will go ahead and. 00:00:00
This meeting to order, this is the Architectural Review Board. 00:00:03
Meeting for Tuesday, November 14th. It's 301. 00:00:07
Could we have a roll call please? 00:00:13
Yes. 00:00:17
Chair Boyle. 00:00:20
Here, Vice Chair Eldridge. 00:00:22
Member Bornstein. 00:00:25
Here, Member Brooks here and Secretary Sutton here. All five Members are present. 00:00:27
Item two, we need to get an approval of the agenda. 00:00:38
Everybody have a chance to. 00:00:42
Take a look at that. 00:00:47
I'll move that we approve the agenda. 00:00:59
OK. 00:01:09
Member set. 00:01:12
Member Brooks. 00:01:17
A. 00:01:20
Chair Boyle, Vice Chair E. 00:01:22
And member Bornstein motion carries 5 to 0. 00:01:26
Great. And do we have any staff announcements? 00:01:33
Have you guys met our interim? 00:01:39
Who's Lou Bowman? Our interim director? Hi. 00:01:43
Nice to meet you. 00:01:48
We do. 00:01:53
Any staff announce? 00:01:56
Other than that, no. OK Oh, I already said staff number, any board announcements from anybody? 00:01:58
I just had one I wanted to encourage everybody to. 00:02:06
Kind of. 00:02:11
Get in the, know about the. 00:02:12
Proposed new. 00:02:16
Location or potential location of the. 00:02:18
Mini skateboard park. They're talking about it at this week's Chamber or Not chamber City Council meeting, so I thought it would 00:02:22
be an. 00:02:27
Topic for us. 00:02:33
Look into. 00:02:34
That was. 00:02:36
Well, it's not on the agenda, so we we can chat later. 00:02:40
Um. 00:02:45
And OK, now we are item number 4, council liaison announcements. 00:02:46
Miss. 00:02:54
Hello, good afternoon Chair Boyle and board members. 00:02:56
On November 1st we did uphold the appeal for 773775. 00:03:01
Ocean View Blvd. That was on the November 1st agenda and then also the housing element was sent off with blessings on 11/3. 00:03:08
Extremely important to know. We also held our first reading of the Cannabis License and Zoning Ordinance. That's all I have per 00:03:14
day. Have a great meeting. 00:03:20
Thank you for. 00:03:27
OK, now I'm going to ask staff for help on how do we handle general public comment. Do I need to do anything different or just 00:03:32
it's whoever's present is able to come up? OK, thank you. 00:03:39
Receive letters earlier from members of the public. Thank you for that clarification. So item five General public comment. At this 00:03:46
time. We can hear from anybody in the audience for three minutes. 00:03:52
Anything related to? 00:03:59
The city, but not anything that's on our agenda and you can step up to the podium. 00:04:02
If you. 00:04:08
Seeing none, we will close general public comment and. 00:04:15
Just acknowledge that we've received written public comment, correct. 00:04:21
That's correct. OK. 00:04:26
Moving right along to the consent agenda. 00:04:28
Item 7 reports requiring action. We have a. 00:04:36
ARB Minutes. 00:04:42
Can we get did anybody, everybody have a chance to review those? 00:04:46
Can we get a motion? 00:04:54
Approve the consent agenda. 00:04:56
Oh, I need to open that for public comment. 00:04:59
My apologies. 00:05:01
Would. 00:05:03
From the audience care. 00:05:04
Remove anything from the consent agenda. 00:05:08
Don't see none. OK, We'll close that and bring it back to the board. 00:05:13
Anybody care to make a motion or want to pull anything from the consent agenda? 00:05:19
I think we can get a motion maybe. 00:05:28
To approve the Minutes. 00:05:34
OK, in a second. 00:05:36
I can second it. 00:05:38
Great, we have a motion in a second. Can we get a roll call vote please? Yes Member born. 00:05:40
Aye, Secretary Sutphin. Aye Chair Boyle. Aye, Vice chair Eldridge. 00:05:46
Member Brooks Aye motion passes 5 to 0. 00:05:52
Great. Thank you so much. A regular agenda. 00:05:56
We. 00:06:01
Item 8A. Architectural Permit AP22 Dash. 00:06:03
00074150 14th St. Do we have a staff report? 00:06:07
Will do I will be giving. 00:06:14
And good afternoon, Chair Boyle and board members. 00:06:16
This is let me pull this up. 00:06:21
I'm presenting architectural permit 22-0007. 00:06:34
150 14th St. and This project is proposed the demolition of an existing 383.3 square foot single family dwelling in the 00:06:40
construction of a 1191 square foot two-story single family dwelling with a roof garden terrace. The subject property is located on 00:06:48
the West side of 14th St. between Lighthouse Ave. and Doc Ricketts Row. 00:06:56
This side is approximately 1800 square feet and developed with a single story, 383 square foot single family home. 00:07:05
And a 239 square foot single story detached accessory dwelling unit. 00:07:12
The property is zoned R3 PGR in the Pacific Grove Retreat Area. The property is not in the Coastal Zone, Archaeological Zone or on 00:07:18
the Historic Resources Inventory. 00:07:23
On April 13th, 2022 this project was scheduled to be heard before the Architectural Review Board, but was continued through 00:07:29
several meetings to September 9th, 2022 and at that meeting the ARB continued the item identifying the following concerns and one 00:07:36
is that what was called the Stair tower was out of scale with the proposed structure and neighboring properties. There was a large 00:07:43
window facing 148 14th St. and it was out of proportion with the proposed structure. 00:07:50
And the proposed design was not consistent with guidelines. Architectural Review Guidelines numbers 24252728 and 29. 00:07:58
Of the Pacific Grove Architectural Review Guidelines. 00:08:07
In response to the concerns, the applicant submitted revised plans dated October 8, 2023, which one eliminated the stair tower and 00:08:11
reduced the building height to 24 feet, 24 1/2 feet. They incorporated A and recessed the roof terrace into the roof design. 00:08:19
And eliminated the single large window facing 148th 14th St. which now proposes 2 smaller windows. 00:08:28
The property is located in a residential neighborhood. It's surrounded by small, medium and large size, one and two Storey single 00:08:36
family and multifamily residences. The property is on the same block as large commercial structures and within a neighborhood 00:08:41
containing large institutional structures, basically churches. 00:08:47
General Plan Program C, and one of the issues was some of the bulk An area Program C of the General Plan recommended that. 00:08:59
The city. 00:09:11
Revise the heightened lot coverage standards to regulate the size and mass of residential additions, which was done in Pacific 00:09:13
Grove Municipal Code. 00:09:17
23.26 point 040 and 23.26 point 060 which are building height limit and allowed site coverage respectively. 00:09:21
Staff recommends the Architectural Review Board approved AP 220007 subject to findings, conditions of approval and sequel 00:09:34
guidelines. Section 15301, Class 1. Categorical exemptions for existing facilities. 00:09:40
And I am available if you have any questions. 00:09:47
Thank you. 00:09:52
Hi. 00:09:56
Right. Do we have an applicant that would care to? 00:09:58
Give a. 00:10:02
No, there's a little button down below. 00:10:08
Try that. There we go. There we go. OK. Hi, my name is Bill Maverick. I'm an architect. I'm representing the owner. I did not 00:10:12
design this. These are not my drawings. I'm just saying that to begin with. But anyway. 00:10:17
The the owner came to me. 00:10:25
And. 00:10:28
You know what can we do with this because. 00:10:29
Her. Her designer, Manuel wasn't responding to her. But anyway, So what we did, we ended up. 00:10:33
Reducing the height got rid of the tower effectively. We still have the roof deck. It does have an exterior stair which is 00:10:41
enclosed within the facade of the building. 00:10:46
And then? 00:10:52
The IT actually has a four foot. 00:10:54
Wall basically around it. That will help to prevent sound from going to the neighbors. When you're seated, you're not even going 00:10:57
to be probably able to see the neighbors I. 00:11:03
As well as well the fire pivots up. There will be a gas fire pit. I know that was one of the neighbors concerns the. 00:11:10
As far as the coverage and the set back goes, as I'm addressing some of a letter from one of the neighbors, the set back is 00:11:20
allowed at 5050% of the site, can be 4 feet from the property line, which is what we've done. And if the neighbor just to the I 00:11:25
call it to the north to the right of the property. 00:11:31
Literally is about 3 1/2 feet from the property line for most of the building and two houses to the South. It again, it has a 00:11:39
section that is the 4 foot setbacks so. 00:11:45
It's nothing that's unusual on this street. 00:11:52
The as far as the lights go that are shown in the renderings. 00:11:56
Again, it wasn't the the designer is an artist and he wanted to just be dramatic and show. 00:12:01
You know. 00:12:07
Show off the building so the the lights are required to Shinedown there so they wouldn't be as dramatic or as much light as shown 00:12:08
in in those renderings. As far as the style and not fitting with the neighborhood, you know there's a diversity of styles already 00:12:16
on the on the street and this house is more contemporary than than the other houses, but you know as far as. 00:12:25
You know the neighbor just to the South of it, which is a two-story building. I'm sure had there been air be at the time would 00:12:35
have met with about the same amount of resistance as we're getting on this one because it is different from what was on this on 00:12:40
the street. 00:12:44
So. 00:12:50
That's pretty much so it. So any questions? 00:12:53
Great. Thank you. Do you guys have any questions for Mr. Medford at this? OK, we'll call you back up for you. Thanks, Bill. 00:12:57
All right. Any of the member, any members of the public, care to make some comments? You feel free to come on up and you'll have 3 00:13:04
minutes. 00:13:09
Can you hear me? OK, so a neighbor on the 14th St. we were here last year discussing this property and I appreciate the changes 00:13:21
that have been made. Certainly the tower was extraordinary from our viewpoint. The house on the corner which is to the north 00:13:28
actually dates, gosh, I think it's to the 1920s or even earlier on that corner. So that was sort of the style what they did at the 00:13:36
time it was remodeled and they. 00:13:44
Completed the stucco, but that's exactly what it was. 00:13:51
To give you an idea of these houses, there's three houses that are in conjunction. They were all originally one. 00:13:54
Contained group and then John Mandarango split them and so that's where you get into some of the issues. But. 00:14:00
They're very small lots. Everybody is very tight, very close together. This particular house is non conforming. It has a unit 00:14:08
that's directly on the property line. So there's a number of issues. They're not remodeling that unit which sort of. 00:14:15
Makes a disconnect style wise, if anything because the back unit is going to be completely different than what this front unit is. 00:14:22
Let me say that the design is a pretty design. I mean, certainly I think the aesthetic and especially where it's drawn is 00:14:29
attractive. The issue is it doesn't work with the neighborhood. 00:14:35
It's not. It's quite a bit more modern looking. 00:14:41
You're absolutely right in the comments that were made that there is a sort of a mixed mass, but generally it's a cottage style 00:14:46
with yards that are in front and in the back and what we're concerned about here. 00:14:51
The factors I think that were if you have all received the letter that was sent. 00:14:58
Very concerned about the rooftop deck. 00:15:03
Even if it's four feet, you're not going to be sitting unless everybody's going to be doing squats when they walk up there. You 00:15:06
know, people are going to be standing to get their people are going to be standing drinking, whatever they're doing. So there's 00:15:12
concern about the noise level, There's concern about the fire pit particularly. 00:15:17
The homes are old. 00:15:25
That whole area, 15th and four. 00:15:26
And there's concern, even if it's a gas fireplace, there's still open flame. 00:15:28
And the idea that he would have open flame at that height, with wooden houses all around, plus the breeze is coming in from the 00:15:33
ocean, says things could easily transfer someone drops something into the fire. So anyway, it's a safety concern. 00:15:40
The other big piece is because that rooftop deck is literally the privacy. Although in the way that the houses are so close 00:15:48
together, everybody kind of does their entertaining to their backyard, which are the private pieces. With this house, the way it's 00:15:54
been designed, that's no longer the case. You're not going to have that privacy. 00:16:00
You're also directly looking into bedroom windows of the houses that are behind it into the side. Is that my three months? 00:16:06
Anyway, so I thank you for your consideration on this. It's been an ongoing issue, so I appreciate it. Thank you for your state, 00:16:16
your name for the record. 00:16:20
Thank you, Shayla Sullivan. Appreciate that. 00:16:26
Anybody else from the audience care to speak? 00:16:32
No. OK. We're going to close public comment then bring it back to the board. 00:16:39
Have a burning desire to go. 00:16:46
Any comments? 00:16:51
I'll take a stab at it. 00:16:56
I appreciate the revisions from the. 00:16:59
Proposed design that we looked at some time ago. 00:17:02
It's certainly less. 00:17:06
I also appreciate the the reduction in the the the large arched window that looked directly into the adjacent neighbor that's 00:17:09
been. 00:17:14
Rained down quite. 00:17:20
Perhaps not enough for the neighbors. 00:17:23
Taste, but it does look like a large reduction in the square footage of glazing staring into the side yard. 00:17:27
The home itself has some Mediterranean flair to it. It's it's contemporary, but it's not without some context to. 00:17:40
Styles that I've seen in Pacific Grove. 00:17:49
See some talent in the designer. 00:17:56
I know it's. 00:17:59
Some of the neighbors have concerns and and I want to make sure I'm hearing them all but. 00:18:01
I. 00:18:06
The roof deck. 00:18:08
I appreciate that it's consolidated into the center of the building's mass, so it's not looming over one side yard. 00:18:11
I can't blame them for wanting to have a. 00:18:22
Up high where they could capture a view of the ocean and if. 00:18:25
Below the height limits and consistent with the city's policies, it's hard to object to. 00:18:28
Believe there's a. 00:18:39
Fire hazard concern with a gas fireplace and if the fire Marshall vets it and it's consistent with fire code I. 00:18:41
That'll be worked out with the building officials. 00:18:49
I'll leave it at that. 00:18:52
OK, I have a few comments. 00:18:59
I think overall I found the plan set to be a bit incomplete and unclear. 00:19:02
Starting with the description of the. 00:19:10
It's referencing a single family dwelling. 00:19:14
But then we have this studio in the back, so just like clarification if that's an Adu. 00:19:18
And on the application that was or the data sheet that was submitted and I understand that it's been revisions. 00:19:25
There was a reference to adding a loft and 1/2. 00:19:32
To the studio, but I see that's been removed and that could have just been lost on a previous version. 00:19:37
Um. 00:19:43
So just clarification on the scope, is that single family dwelling plus Adu? 00:19:44
This is looks like a complete. 00:19:50
I recall I watched the last meeting and I know there was a request to have a survey to verify the height as it was. 00:19:54
Close to reaching that limit and while this has been reduced. 00:20:04
Personally, I would request a survey for any home that's being demoed and rebuilt. I know these are small lots, but it just seems 00:20:10
like it should be standard practice if you're demoing. 00:20:15
While that set back is in conformance with. 00:20:23
Um. 00:20:29
I think to not have a survey would be a miss. 00:20:30
And I just don't think that the site plan. 00:20:33
Overlaid on GIS, is is adequate or sufficient? 00:20:38
Another aspect, the roof. 00:20:43
Are quite dramatic and a little aggressive. 00:20:48
I think it does. 00:20:53
Kind of a unique design element. 00:20:54
While they don't count against coverage, they contribute to coverage. 00:20:58
And on a lot, that's so. 00:21:02
To have that think they're about 2 1/2. 00:21:06
And you have a four foot set back. I mean, you're practically over the sidewalk. 00:21:09
And looking at this site, the windows that were reduced. 00:21:15
I did notice today that they face the neighbors side yard and there aren't any windows on that side. So so. 00:21:21
That's. 00:21:29
But the windows in front in my opinion. 00:21:30
Are also a little oversized. 00:21:34
Umm. 00:21:36
For the house. 00:21:38
And then I didn't see. 00:21:41
Plan set page with any kind of colors and materials. 00:21:44
I think that would be appreci. 00:21:47
And then I'm assuming with to address the fire safety hazard because it's a demo. 00:21:51
That it would require. 00:21:57
OK. And then the lighting, I think having that down, down light is a. 00:22:00
Is necessary there? 00:22:07
And then yes, just more clarification on how this. 00:22:10
Connects to that Adu. This is such a tight space, there's barely a foot behind that that other structure. 00:22:15
Just like to understand that. 00:22:22
That relationship. 00:22:24
Overall, I appreciate the efforts to to revise, but I do feel it's a bit incongruent with the. 00:22:27
With the street in this location. 00:22:33
I'm. 00:22:39
Playoff Anna, because my questions were also on the ADUS. So is it Bill? Is that right? 00:22:41
Are you able to address that? Because I was also confused about whether the Adu is being changed out because, well, I think what 00:22:46
we'll do is maybe we'll go through everybody and then we'll get a list of things and then we'll we'll ask our questions in total. 00:22:53
Yeah, My questions are on the. 00:23:02
And on the front? 00:23:04
Window size. 00:23:06
Those are the two pieces that I was really questioning. 00:23:08
So I'll leave it at that. Thank. 00:23:11
Great. 00:23:13
I think the comments by my colleagues are on point, as as usual, I don't have particularly anything. 00:23:17
To add to them, I didn't have really any concerns with the. 00:23:24
With the eaves I. 00:23:29
Like them, and it seemed through the drawings that they. 00:23:32
I didn't. I didn't get. 00:23:37
Understanding that they would be, you know, reaching out to a dramatic effect. 00:23:40
Just just my comment on that. I also think the windows. 00:23:44
I didn't have any particular problems with the front facing windows or the windows facing on the north. 00:23:49
Elevation. 00:23:54
And I already mentioned the South facing elevation on that northern house. 00:23:56
Has has no windows on and it's a complete blank. 00:24:03
Umm. 00:24:06
It's nice to hear that the fire pit was gas. I agree with all my colleagues that that be addressed by the building. 00:24:09
And. 00:24:16
And it was good to hear from Bill regarding the exterior lighting. I just wanted to, I would just want to confirm. 00:24:18
That all exterior lighting. 00:24:28
Shielded and downward facing. 00:24:31
Doesn't look like that in in the renderings of the drawings, but understand that. 00:24:35
That might not be what they actually look. 00:24:40
That was all I had. Oh, the only other comment I had was with respect to there was a comment. 00:24:43
From. 00:24:49
A comment made by the public regarding a potential tree concern. It didn't seem like there. 00:24:51
It didn't seem like. 00:24:57
Tree on the. 00:24:59
West. 00:25:01
Right. The northeast portion of the home didn't seem like it was going to affect the. 00:25:04
At least really the branches on. 00:25:11
I did that. There were some trees I noticed. 00:25:14
Act of the home and I just kind of wanted to confirm and make sure that. 00:25:17
That. 00:25:21
The building had addressed I guess, all all the requirements with respect to. 00:25:24
Not infringing. 00:25:30
On the trees. 00:25:32
Oh, thank you. I'll kind of close, close this out and then we'll ask. 00:25:35
Mr. Medford to come up and maybe have some chats with us, but I'm very happy with the modifications, I think the home. 00:25:41
Looks exponentially better. 00:25:51
But yeah, of course, it's always difficult when you have a quaint little neighborhood and then you get something that looks 00:25:55
different. And I think we're seeing that in many, many neighborhoods in Pacific Grove. Same thing with rooftop decks. That's. 00:26:02
That seems to be a trend I. 00:26:10
I. 00:26:13
To explore a little bit more about the eaves I they didn't strike me as really big and then when you. 00:26:15
Brought up the actual dimension, I thought, oh wow, those are quite large, so I don't know. I would like to get, you know, a 00:26:26
design professionals. 00:26:31
Sort of take on that. 00:26:37
But All in all, I am much happier with. 00:26:41
This second. 00:26:46
That's all. 00:26:49
Could you come up and? 00:26:51
Have a conversation. 00:26:53
Yes, I again Bill Medford, in case it needs to go into the record. 00:26:55
I I'm not fully versed. I, the owner is supposed to be here. She's coming down from San Francisco. So on the Adu part of it, it's 00:27:01
my understanding that it is remaining as it is. It's obviously in the back of the house and yes, it wouldn't be the same style 00:27:07
but. 00:27:13
Who? 00:27:20
First off, but anyway. 00:27:21
It's. 00:27:24
That's as much as I know about the Adu at the moment. 00:27:28
I wish I could answer you more questions for you. 00:27:31
The as far as the the. 00:27:35
The eaves, They are two feet plus the gutter. 00:27:38
So that's a fairly. 00:27:43
On many houses in Pacific Grove you have between 1 foot. 00:27:47
18 inch and two foot eaves. So it's it. 00:27:53
Quote UN quote standard. 00:27:58
And then as far as the tree goes, I I just drove past it. 00:28:02
Just before the meeting and the the tree on the northeast corner will probably require some limbs to be trimmed, but it's not 00:28:08
affecting the tree. 00:28:12
In any that I that I can tell, and we'd obviously have an arborist take a look at it. 00:28:17
In any major fashion. 00:28:23
As far as the trees in the back, I believe they occur back by the where the Adu is currently and aren't affected by the main 00:28:26
house. 00:28:31
Any other? Oh, the survey. We did have a survey and she had certain she had sent it into the city. I don't know. 00:28:39
As far as that goes, but yes, we would have the height surveyed, obviously. OK And a boundary survey, yeah, we have a boundary 00:28:47
survey. We got it surveyed, OK And there is a survey from a surveyor. Oh, great, a licensed surveyor, so. 00:28:53
Can you just talk us through, so we're looking at the page, if you can see a 13 here. 00:29:01
So it looks like there is a little, is there a breezeway between the. Yes, there is. So is there internal, is it accessible? 00:29:09
There's there's not internal circulation. I think it's it's just a covering so that you can actually walk under it to get into the 00:29:14
Adu. It's kind of there's a little space in between. 00:29:20
The two, and those are just outdoor closets. I think one is 1 is a utility closet and I'm not certain what the other one is. Is it 00:29:26
is it? Can you walk across that? Is there. OK, So there's going to be another deck on top of this. No, no, no. I'm sorry. You 00:29:32
can't walk across on the 2nd floor. It's it's it's a roof over it. Got it. 00:29:38
But there's not. It's not a deck of any sort, and you can't get out onto it. 00:29:45
And then how do you access the rooftop? Oh, I see those are the stairs, right? Yeah, there's there's stairs on the. 00:29:49
I was just looking at the drawings earlier on the floor plan of the 2nd floor, the wall which separates the stair from the 00:29:55
hallway. I should actually be an exterior wall, It should be a wall. And there's a door, There'll be a door going in so. 00:30:01
That stairway is actually an exterior stair. 00:30:08
Oh, I see on this. 00:30:13
The second floor stairway. 00:30:15
But it's behind obviously the. 00:30:19
And just to clarify, while it's on my mind because it may slip, is. 00:30:22
All you know, these pictures are very pretty, but somebody did take a lot of creative license because we have a very rigorous and 00:30:29
strict lighting policy, so we have a dark sky policy so that we don't even need to really mention it, I think. But I just for the 00:30:36
record, wanted people to know, like this is a pretty picture that's not actually what the lighting is exactly. 00:30:43
Another question. 00:30:54
I'm noticing. 00:30:56
A-01. 00:31:00
This is the proposed this is the north elevation. 00:31:02
And it appears that the. 00:31:06
Are. 00:31:10
Interfacing with these second story windows in a rather odd. 00:31:11
Way. I mean the stair Stringer is running right through them and. 00:31:17
That just seems. 00:31:22
Amiss from whoever's designing it, because there's What's the point of having windows interfacing with the Stringer? Yes, exactly. 00:31:25
So the the the window to the back window there would actually effectively be a false window. 00:31:32
Just to kind of make the, make the. 00:31:39
Symmetry of the elevation because of the fact that obviously the the share Stringer runs right through it. 00:31:43
The we would have to study the the middle window. I know I mentioned that to the to the designer. 00:31:51
When? 00:31:58
We talked about this and he obviously didn't address. 00:32:00
Yeah, but it is the same situation occurring with the the two lower the larger arched window, so so the the a larger arched. So 00:32:03
basically the way the stair is, is it's floating in there, it's not attached to the wall. So yes the glass would run. 00:32:11
There, and you would be seeing the Stringer running, running. If you're looking into that window, you would see the Stringer 00:32:20
running past it. OK, so that's intentional. That's intentional, yes. 00:32:25
But on the second level, the stairs that get you to the roof deck, it's yeah, part, but yeah, above it is exterior and below it is 00:32:30
interior. So we have to, we have to actually deal with how that is actually interfacing. 00:32:36
And then OK. And then as far as this Adu or the little building in the back, it's existing non conforming so? 00:32:43
Whether you wanted to or not, you you really can't do much to it other than paint it and maintain it correct. There's no 00:32:51
structural modifications of any sort and. 00:32:56
The easy thing to do is to say no. 00:33:00
OK. 00:33:08
I think I've. I think I'm done talking. 00:33:12
OK. Any more questions? 00:33:16
Just can you walk me through the design thinking behind these large picture windows that look into the bedroom upstairs? 00:33:26
And the downstairs, so, so the the idea obviously in in in Pacific Grove with as much fog as we get is to get as much light in as 00:33:35
possible that you we can't really get. 00:33:40
You know a lot of light from the South because there's a two-story building there and you know from the north we have the 00:33:47
stairwell et cetera, et cetera. So the idea is to is to. 00:33:52
Keep with the the theme of the of the Palladian window. 00:33:57
And and get as much light into that bedroom as possible. 00:34:03
The upstairs, the 2nd floor is what she's talking about. 00:34:12
I think what the scale does for me, it almost makes the building appear larger. You have these kind of dramatic eaves, these large 00:34:16
windows. 00:34:22
With lots of. 00:34:29
Divided lights there. 00:34:32
I don't think it helps diminish the size. 00:34:35
This isn't a deal breaker, but my preference would be to see those windows. 00:34:40
Made a little bit smaller. They I believe they are right now like 8 feet wide and we could potentially take them to six feet wide, 00:34:47
which I think might help. 00:34:51
Your your address your concern. 00:34:57
That would mimic the upstairs window as well. That would be the both both, yeah. It would be the same downstairs and upstairs. 00:35:03
Make it a little feel, a little more, yeah. And to. 00:35:11
I'm not a designer, just play one on the ARB, but for me it's really the upstairs window that and I totally appreciate the need to 00:35:15
capture as much light as possible and. 00:35:21
So it's really just that, I think that bedroom, that kind of privacy. 00:35:28
Room. 00:35:32
Might want to reconsider that. 00:35:34
But keep it balanced with, right? Yeah, right. 00:35:35
One more comment. 00:35:43
Umm. 00:35:46
Kudos to Chair Bornstein for bringing up some good points. 00:35:47
Um. 00:35:52
The. 00:35:53
I kind of agree that the depth of them. 00:35:54
That the. 00:35:59
Building is large relative to its. 00:36:01
Struct. 00:36:06
Reining them in maybe just a little bit 6 inches. 00:36:08
It would be a way of reducing the mass. 00:36:12
Taking away anything that the owner is trying to achieve. 00:36:16
Just sharing a little bit more sunlight. 00:36:21
The neighbors. 00:36:24
And and it I don't think you're losing nothing really. 00:36:26
But if you brought these overhangs down a bit, I think it would look just as good. I mean, it's an interesting design. I 00:36:33
appreciate a lot of the art behind it. I just I think it that. 00:36:38
And I didn't bring come up catch it. But I agree the the the the depth of these overhangs is is rather large for this neighborhood 00:36:43
and if you had bigger setbacks and more space between them it really wouldn't be an issue. But here I think it is well and I I I 00:36:51
also feel and I brought this up to the designer as well that the the view, the way he has the views. 00:36:59
Make those eaves feel huge. 00:37:08
Yeah, 'cause you're looking up at them. Yeah. So anyway, I think, I think that. 00:37:13
I appreciate your concern about them. I had a similar concern at first as well. 00:37:18
It could ultimately help get more light into the house. 00:37:27
To pull up back to the 24 now. So if they were pulled back to 18, yeah. 00:37:31
OK. Thank you. 00:37:41
I'm here all day if you need me. 00:37:44
I do have one more question. I'm sorry, Sir, just because we don't have the kind of materials, page and color, is this a? 00:37:46
Metal roof, yes. So the it's the same materials that were in the original. 00:37:53
Submittal so I didn't that didn't get put in apparently. So yes, it is a metal roof. 00:38:00
Thank you. I thought I saw. Or is it or is it tile? Or is it clay tile I you know? 00:38:06
Which would? 00:38:11
Is it? Is it? Is it called out on the drawings? 00:38:14
That's the style that I I think originally it was supposed to be clay tile, so. 00:38:18
Wait, wait. 00:38:24
Spanish roof tiles. It is clay tile. It's not metal. 00:38:25
For misleading you. 00:38:30
Just cement. 00:38:34
Yep. 00:38:36
All right. 00:38:41
All right, so it doesn't sound like it would be a deal breaker to reduce the width of those windows from 8 feet to six. And the 00:38:46
eaves? 00:38:50
Possibly by 6 inches. 00:38:54
If. Umm. 00:38:57
If we want more discussion on that, we certainly can have it or if somebody would like to make an attempt at. 00:39:01
Uh. 00:39:07
Motion. We can go that route. 00:39:08
Still thinking, I don't. I don't want to pass you if you haven't turned in all your homework. 00:39:20
Sharp oil if I may ask. 00:39:28
Just to clarify when you are. 00:39:31
Making a request for the windows, is there a specific design guideline number or finding for us to because we'll need to place 00:39:34
that in the? 00:39:38
Permit. 00:39:47
Yeah. 00:39:49
One moment. 00:39:52
At 33 you could use 33. Door and window proportions should relate to scale and style of the building itself. 00:40:00
For the windows, yes. 00:40:08
Maybe even 35 The facade in context with. 00:40:11
Porches overhang and then 34 for the overhangs for the eaves. 00:40:21
We'll just need to state those in the in the motion. Would that be correct? 00:40:30
Yes, please. Thank you. 00:40:36
We're thinking Bear with us. 00:40:56
I can make a stab. Somebody wants me to make a. 00:42:33
I don't want to take anybody's. 00:42:37
OK, so I would. 00:42:41
Prop. 00:42:48
That we. 00:42:52
Architectural permit 220007. Subject to findings, Conditions of Approval and Sequela Guidelines. Sections 15301. Class 1. 00:42:58
Categorical Exemption for Existing Facilities with the following. 00:43:06
Modifications. 00:43:16
Reduce the width. 00:43:20
First floor. 00:43:22
Windows St. facing from 8 feet down to six feet. 00:43:26
And. 00:43:32
Reduce the roof overhangs from 2 feet to 1 feet 6. 00:43:34
Citing guidelines. 00:43:43
33. 00:43:48
Yes, Guidelines 3330. 00:43:49
And 30. 00:43:53
That. 00:44:00
I'll second. 00:44:03
We have a motion in a second. Can we get a roll call vote please? 00:44:05
Yes, chair. 00:44:10
Aye, Secretary Sutton A. 00:44:11
Vice. Chair Eld. 00:44:15
Member Brooks. 00:44:17
Aye member. 00:44:19
No. 00:44:21
No. 00:44:22
OK Motion passes 4 to one and the motion is to approve architectural permit 22-0007 subject to the findings and conditions of 00:44:23
approval, including the secret exemptions. 00:44:30
With the following added conditions to reduce the width of the windows on the 1st and 2nd floor St. facing windows from 8 feet to 00:44:39
six feet and to reduce the overhang from 2 feet to 1. 00:44:46
Foot 6 inches. 00:44:53
And this would include Architectural Design Guidelines 3334 and 35. 00:44:56
Thank. 00:45:02
Right. We have no item 9/10/11. Our next meeting is December 12th. 00:45:08
And meeting adjourned. It's 346. Thank you. 00:45:18
Thank you. 00:45:23
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