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All right. It is 4:00. So I'm going to go ahead and call this meeting at the Pacific Grove Economic Development Committee to | 00:00:02 | |
order. | 00:00:06 | |
And. | 00:00:11 | |
A reminder to everyone to state your name for the record if you make a motion. | 00:00:13 | |
Umm. | 00:00:17 | |
So that we can keep up with who's. | 00:00:18 | |
Making comments. | 00:00:21 | |
If we can, please take role. | 00:00:23 | |
See why don't I take role Jenny and then that way you can just track. | 00:00:28 | |
President I think we're all present that can. Aaron Campbell, Associate Planner, I'll go ahead and do that for you. Alright. | 00:00:32 | |
Thanks. | 00:00:35 | |
Chair upman. | 00:00:39 | |
Present Vice Chair Jacobs. | 00:00:40 | |
Commissioner Venuti. | 00:00:43 | |
Commissioner Gibbs. | 00:00:45 | |
Commissioner McMurdo McMurdo apologize, President. | 00:00:46 | |
Commissioner Markowitz. | 00:00:51 | |
Commissioner Hoops here, Commissioner Richmond, we have 8 present, 0 absent. | 00:00:53 | |
You have a quorum. Thank you very much. OK, we'll move on to approval of the agenda that was submitted. | 00:00:58 | |
Along with the packets and circulating, an Advanced Potatoes meeting and is available for download on the Economic Development | 00:01:05 | |
page at pacificgrove.org. | 00:01:09 | |
Are there any members of the public that like to make a comment on the agenda today? | 00:01:14 | |
I do not see any answers. All right. Is there a motion to approve the agenda report as presented? Ohh, do you have any? | 00:01:23 | |
Comments. | 00:01:30 | |
So. | 00:01:34 | |
Thank you. Yeah. Unfortunately at my place of work someone suffered a terrible injury and cannot be in. I'm gonna have. We have an | 00:01:35 | |
event and I have to leave early. So I noticed that I'm flagged for one of the last points for 9:00 and. | 00:01:44 | |
88. | 00:01:54 | |
No. | 00:01:56 | |
Well, no, I think. | 00:01:57 | |
Ohh yeah 9 #2. | 00:02:02 | |
I think. | 00:02:05 | |
98. | 00:02:06 | |
Ohh yeah that's it. | 00:02:08 | |
Definitely, yeah and and I. | 00:02:11 | |
Actually was trying to find out why this was put on this agenda this week. I wasn't able to connect with Anastasia, so we actually | 00:02:16 | |
did this last week. | 00:02:20 | |
So I am not going to be here and BI don't think it needs to be on the agenda. | 00:02:26 | |
Is that you can you can move to or ask to have it pulled. That's fine. | 00:02:30 | |
So great. So we'll have that pulled and I do apologize in advance that I will have to leave. | 00:02:35 | |
A little bit early. Thank you. | 00:02:39 | |
OK. | 00:02:41 | |
So with that change. | 00:02:42 | |
Is there a motion to approve the agenda as presented? | 00:02:45 | |
We also sorry. | 00:02:48 | |
Could we also want to move the concert? | 00:02:50 | |
Agenda item. | 00:02:53 | |
Since we haven't had opportunity to meet and postpone it till next time when we can report something. | 00:02:54 | |
We certainly can or you can make that statement when we. | 00:03:01 | |
Get to it and. | 00:03:04 | |
Your preference move on that's that's fine why don't we we'll just. | 00:03:05 | |
Check off on Are you guys in agreement to that? | 00:03:09 | |
What do you think? | 00:03:11 | |
OK. | 00:03:12 | |
Yeah, let's pull it, please. | 00:03:13 | |
OK. | 00:03:16 | |
OK, with those two changes then? | 00:03:21 | |
Anything else? | 00:03:24 | |
Great. | 00:03:26 | |
So is there a motion to approve the agenda as revised? Commissioner Hoops motions to approve the revised agenda. | 00:03:27 | |
Beautiful. | 00:03:34 | |
And I will second. | 00:03:34 | |
Thank you both. | 00:03:36 | |
Excellence. OK. Moving on to Commission and staff announcements. | 00:03:37 | |
Ohh, pardon me, sorry. | 00:03:41 | |
Trying to move things along here too fast. | 00:03:42 | |
Can we do a roll call though then? Yes. | 00:03:47 | |
Commissioner Hoops. | 00:03:49 | |
Aye, Commissioner Markowitz. | 00:03:51 | |
Commissioner Richmond. | 00:03:54 | |
Aye, Commissioner McMurdo. | 00:03:56 | |
Sorry, I'm non voting. | 00:03:58 | |
Chair upman. | 00:04:00 | |
Vice Chair Jacobs. | 00:04:03 | |
Aye. | 00:04:05 | |
Commissioner Venuti, Commissioner Gibbs, yes. | 00:04:07 | |
Ask a quick one. You're a non voting member, so I just thank you very much. Thank you. | 00:04:13 | |
So that brings us to Commission and staff announcements. | 00:04:23 | |
Outside of the agenda items that are outlined today, are there any announcements, announcements from the staff? | 00:04:26 | |
Yes, I have been told that due to staffing issues we are losing our. | 00:04:34 | |
Planning Director and they we're going to have to cancel next month's meeting. | 00:04:43 | |
Until we have. | 00:04:50 | |
Everybody we need to. | 00:04:52 | |
To. | 00:04:54 | |
To staff the the meeting. So we're doing a little bit of a reorganization, so we apologize for that, but we'll. | 00:04:55 | |
We'll need to. | 00:05:00 | |
Get things squared away. | 00:05:02 | |
This question about that you're you're saying to cancel the? | 00:05:05 | |
Of the November EDC meeting, I want to be clear, is that correct? That is correct, yes. | 00:05:09 | |
I was told staffing issues, I'm I'm a messenger of this one so we'll try to. | 00:05:14 | |
Clarify the best we can moving forward. I believe Dan Go is going to be the Interim CDC Director. | 00:05:20 | |
Until we find someone. | 00:05:28 | |
And so we're gonna have to just figure out how. | 00:05:30 | |
By by hope you can be patient with us, because we are. | 00:05:33 | |
Dreadfully understaffed. We just lost also. | 00:05:37 | |
Annie, who was a wonderful addition, was a wonderful addition to our tourist staff and she's moving up north, so. | 00:05:40 | |
We're one more down South. | 00:05:47 | |
Can I just? | 00:05:51 | |
I mean, I believe the point, but just. | 00:05:52 | |
You know, we're just starting a important process. | 00:05:55 | |
So the staff. | 00:05:59 | |
So we're canceling the meeting because of the lack of staff. | 00:06:01 | |
Because somebody can't be here or. | 00:06:03 | |
Because preparing the agenda or what is actually the hang up? | 00:06:06 | |
I can't answer that for you. I was again just. | 00:06:11 | |
Told to pass on the message. OK. | 00:06:14 | |
And who I'm just trying to get back. So who is That was from Anastasia and I don't know if she had received director or direction | 00:06:16 | |
from. | 00:06:20 | |
And she's resigned, though, Is that correct? That is correct, OK, But her last day is. | 00:06:25 | |
Today. | 00:06:30 | |
Or tomorrow. Sorry, she's one more day in. | 00:06:31 | |
So she's still. | 00:06:33 | |
She's still the director until the end of the day tomorrow. | 00:06:35 | |
Thank you. | 00:06:38 | |
We'll we'll come up next to. | 00:06:40 | |
Council liaison announcements. We might be able to address that with good sources. Thank you. Attending here. | 00:06:43 | |
Any Commission announcements? | 00:06:48 | |
Actually, chaps did raise his hand. I don't know if. | 00:06:51 | |
Sure. | 00:06:54 | |
We can do that now. | 00:06:55 | |
Chapter, you have the floor. | 00:06:59 | |
Yes, Sir. Thank you. I I think we'll take a look into what is going on with the with generally staffing. | 00:07:02 | |
Short and I think in a lot of aspects aspects. | 00:07:10 | |
So we'll take a look, but I think in in. | 00:07:15 | |
Right now, as it stands, as the meeting is cancelled between now and and next month, if there's any change I'll I'll. | 00:07:18 | |
Commission now. | 00:07:24 | |
Excellent. Thank you very much. | 00:07:27 | |
OK. | 00:07:30 | |
Any Commission announcements? | 00:07:34 | |
Mr. Murder. | 00:07:37 | |
I brought in the Flyers because they were just printed for the Downtown Pacific Grove Trick or Treating that is put on by the | 00:07:40 | |
Downtown Business Improvement District. That is going to be on Saturday, October 28th from 1:50 PM and more information on our | 00:07:47 | |
website, but it's a great way for you to come out and have a good time on Halloween with the kiddos. | 00:07:54 | |
And what is your website? | 00:08:02 | |
Pacificgrove.org. | 00:08:04 | |
Yeah. | 00:08:06 | |
Always a fun time. | 00:08:10 | |
OK. | 00:08:12 | |
Councilman Pedro, do you have any other? | 00:08:14 | |
Announcements that you'd like to add before we move on. | 00:08:16 | |
Are you able to hear me? | 00:08:21 | |
Yes. | 00:08:26 | |
Umm. | 00:08:27 | |
The so yes I I do have a couple of announcements as you may have known like the Kimpton hotels and restaurants the for it's for | 00:08:28 | |
the benefit of the Commission, the Kimpton hotels and restaurants. | 00:08:33 | |
Has a breaking ground for a new boutique hotel. | 00:08:37 | |
And so when it. | 00:08:41 | |
Opens up in 2025. | 00:08:42 | |
It'll be a A-100 and room hotel. | 00:08:45 | |
It'll be the 10th, 10th in Hotel and and California. | 00:08:48 | |
The other thing I wanted to mention is around cannabis. Yesterday council looked into. | 00:08:52 | |
The the comments provided by the Planning Commission, the Police Department, the community, as well as council recommendations. | 00:08:58 | |
And we're planning to bring back the first draft of. | 00:09:05 | |
The cannabis zoning and the licensing ordinances back to council. | 00:09:09 | |
That's expected to to come in November. | 00:09:13 | |
And then finally, yesterday we did appoint a new assistant. | 00:09:16 | |
City Attorney. | 00:09:20 | |
So she Her name is Erica Vega, but she'll be providing legal services. | 00:09:22 | |
As an assistant city attorney for the city moving forward. | 00:09:27 | |
Thank you. | 00:09:30 | |
Thank you. | 00:09:32 | |
OK, that brings us to general public comment. | 00:09:34 | |
I do have a couple of comments too. | 00:09:38 | |
Sure. | 00:09:40 | |
Yeah, sorry, I was wasn't sure where we were with that. So just a couple things the. | 00:09:41 | |
After our meeting today right here at 6:30, the Planning Commission will be meeting on the housing element. | 00:09:46 | |
There's quite a bit of interest if you've been paying attention online, so it might be pretty interesting session. | 00:09:51 | |
I think we'll be more than one meeting with the Planning Commission on this one will be kind of looking at the history of the | 00:09:57 | |
housing element and how we got here. We are behind schedule. | 00:10:01 | |
We're in danger of missing our deadline with the state, which has. | 00:10:05 | |
You know, kind of some punitive consequences. So anyway, that's here at 6:30. | 00:10:10 | |
A couple of the things that was announced at the. | 00:10:14 | |
The amount of airport got about $750,000 grant. Do you know about this I'm sure, Eric? | 00:10:17 | |
To to supply service between Chicago and here on American Airlines. It's not a done deal, but. | 00:10:22 | |
American Airlines wrote a letter in support of that. | 00:10:28 | |
The there is a tomorrow night from 6 to 8. | 00:10:30 | |
There's a wildfire seminar at the at the Wave Building at 74774 Wave St. in Monterey. | 00:10:35 | |
Hell fire will be here. The monitor our our. | 00:10:45 | |
Fire Chief will be there and it should be an interesting session to talk about the possibilities of wire wildfire on the Monterey | 00:10:48 | |
Peninsula. | 00:10:52 | |
The Monterey Peninsula. | 00:10:56 | |
Chapter that the Chamber of Commerce is having a breakfast. | 00:10:59 | |
At 7:30 on October the 11th at the Monterey. | 00:11:03 | |
Marriott. | 00:11:06 | |
And everybody's invited if you have an interest in what's going on. | 00:11:07 | |
In the Monterey Peninsula chamber. | 00:11:10 | |
Jenny, you're. | 00:11:13 | |
You were that. Are you going to be there for that? I will be there. Good. Thank you. It's a it's a Marriott downtown. | 00:11:14 | |
And the only other thing is that the City Council will meet on October the 18th. | 00:11:20 | |
To look at any recommendations that the Planning Commission I think comes up with on the housing element and that will be more of | 00:11:26 | |
an open public forum and you can submit your questions online on city website about that. | 00:11:32 | |
That's all I had. | 00:11:37 | |
OK, that brings us back to. | 00:11:41 | |
Pardon me. Yes, Yeah, I've got a question here. And you were talking about future things. | 00:11:42 | |
And I'm just curious about all these meetings and the staff changes and everything. | 00:11:46 | |
We had a subcommittee. We got together, we put some housing recommendation. | 00:11:51 | |
Where did it go? And City Council talked about it and City Council talked about. | 00:11:55 | |
Really anything that this Commission has recommended? | 00:12:00 | |
I'm I'm looking. I'm trying to figure it out. | 00:12:04 | |
Because we've come up. | 00:12:06 | |
Jenny and I came up with stuff last year and it just faded away. | 00:12:07 | |
And it's like. | 00:12:11 | |
Are we? Sometimes it feels like we are operating in a vacuum. We do a lot of work and people have done a lot of works bringing | 00:12:13 | |
stuff together and we'll sit here and talk about it and we'll make a recommendation. | 00:12:18 | |
And where does it go? | 00:12:23 | |
Really, Really. Where does it go we've spent? | 00:12:25 | |
On this housing thing, the you know who the minority LED stuff. We had subcommittee meetings. | 00:12:28 | |
And what happened to it? | 00:12:34 | |
I'm the problem. Staffing is a huge problem. | 00:12:36 | |
And that. | 00:12:40 | |
Along with City Council is the biggest problem in the City of Pacific Grove you had, you mentioned the Planning Commission, all | 00:12:41 | |
sorts of interesting stuff. | 00:12:44 | |
How is that going to solve any problems here if this city can't, doesn't have the staff that can support the volunteers who are | 00:12:49 | |
here trying to do good things for the city? It's incredibly frustrating. I don't know if anybody else shares my frustration, but I | 00:12:54 | |
just wanted to bring that out. Thank you. | 00:13:00 | |
Can I just say something regarding that I do. I did. I was following some of our feedback that was supposed to go to council and I | 00:13:07 | |
believe it was pushed. | 00:13:12 | |
Through several meetings, I don't think that it was heard. | 00:13:18 | |
That's what. | 00:13:21 | |
Yeah. | 00:13:22 | |
Of course. | 00:13:25 | |
Thank you. | 00:13:32 | |
Yeah, that takes us to general public comment there. Any members of the public that would like make a comment at this time? | 00:13:35 | |
Seeing none. | 00:13:42 | |
OK. | 00:13:46 | |
Takes us to approval of the Minutes. | 00:13:47 | |
Minutes from the previous meeting were distributing in advance along with the agenda packets. Are there any questions on the | 00:13:50 | |
minutes from the committee members? | 00:13:54 | |
Seeing none. | 00:14:01 | |
OK. | 00:14:03 | |
We have a motion to approve the Minutes. | 00:14:06 | |
So moved. | 00:14:08 | |
Seconded. | 00:14:11 | |
Right. | 00:14:12 | |
To be formally need to do a roll call vote or can we just do a show of hands? | 00:14:14 | |
We formally have to do a roll call vote for. | 00:14:18 | |
Sorry, all right, just checking for you. | 00:14:21 | |
Mission Markowitz. | 00:14:25 | |
Commissioner, Whoops, aye, Commissioner, Richmond chair, Upman. Vice chair, Jacobs. Commissioner. | 00:14:27 | |
Commissioner Venuti. | 00:14:36 | |
Commissioner Gibbs, yes, motion passes. | 00:14:38 | |
Thank you. | 00:14:41 | |
OK, so that takes us to the regular agenda. | 00:14:42 | |
First up on the regular agenda, item number six, the QR code proposal project. Commissioner Hoops, you have the floor, Sir. Yeah, | 00:14:47 | |
so the agenda said receive report, I mean. | 00:14:52 | |
My original proposal was to bring forward this project and ask for some funding for it. | 00:14:58 | |
There was some issues, budgetary issues, not unclear, so we kind of wanted to gauge interest from the Commission to see if. | 00:15:05 | |
It seemed like people were. | 00:15:13 | |
Into it. So I think we're still right at the point where we just need to figure out funding for this. So there's really no. | 00:15:14 | |
Forward progress without. | 00:15:22 | |
Money. | 00:15:23 | |
So I mean my. | 00:15:25 | |
My suspicion is that we're going to need to find funding outside of. | 00:15:28 | |
The Commission's budget. | 00:15:32 | |
And but I'm not, Do we have estimates or proposal from? | 00:15:33 | |
The group that you were hoping to partner with on what the expenses would be and how this might be divided, yeah, so the the, the | 00:15:37 | |
estimate expense. | 00:15:41 | |
I mean it's all anybody that does production works on day, right. So it's like. | 00:15:46 | |
It's how many you can bundle together in a day realistically from there. | 00:15:50 | |
From their input, it was. | 00:15:55 | |
Four to five businesses a day that they could package together to do a full day's work of. | 00:15:56 | |
Shooting and editing and blah blah blah. So you know they estimated it probably between 2 grand and $2500. | 00:16:02 | |
Cost to produce a finished product per business. | 00:16:10 | |
Then that leaves the question of. | 00:16:15 | |
How much? | 00:16:18 | |
Responsibilities as this Commission want to. | 00:16:19 | |
Subsidized, you know, so if we're saying OK, if it's $2000. | 00:16:22 | |
1500 from the business or 500 from the Commission or what have you. That can be a sliding scale, but. | 00:16:26 | |
I think like. | 00:16:32 | |
The several things are happening less. Less of an issue is how much per business is going to cost and more is. | 00:16:33 | |
What sort of the like? | 00:16:42 | |
Escape velocity here of like how many businesses do we need to get on board to make this a viable project? Because you can't do | 00:16:43 | |
it. You can't do two of these. You know you gotta, you gotta do. | 00:16:48 | |
20 or 30 and then hope or at least in like a pilot batch of maybe 10 or 15 and then hope that. | 00:16:53 | |
You know. | 00:17:00 | |
This is ongoing, but I think at the timeline we're at now by the time this gets. | 00:17:00 | |
Funded, organized, shot, edited and implemented. Will probably be into a new budget in the next June, July 1. | 00:17:05 | |
July 1, 2024. | 00:17:14 | |
So I think that like. | 00:17:16 | |
Maybe we the the issue for our internally here on the Commission is to discuss. | 00:17:18 | |
What we think a good carrying capacity is for like maybe a like if you want to call it a pilot program for the number of | 00:17:23 | |
businesses we want to get. | 00:17:26 | |
Into this. | 00:17:30 | |
Figure out the funding for that and then get it done. | 00:17:31 | |
We also need to decide if we're going to ask. | 00:17:35 | |
Council for money. | 00:17:38 | |
Chamber of Commerce for money, Bid for money. All of the above. | 00:17:39 | |
These are like where we're at right now with the project, so it's I think. | 00:17:43 | |
It's a little premature to be saying. | 00:17:46 | |
How much is it going to cost from a production company? I think we need to decide. | 00:17:48 | |
What we actually want to do with this first and then go out to. | 00:17:53 | |
Commercial partner. | 00:17:59 | |
That's where we're at. | 00:18:02 | |
I don't know if there we need more than that or if we open the floor to any questions. Sure, see if we have any public comment. | 00:18:04 | |
Yeah, of course public comment first. | 00:18:07 | |
Any public comment on the QR code proposal project? | 00:18:11 | |
Seeing none. | 00:18:17 | |
OK. | 00:18:18 | |
Welcome to FLOOR here. | 00:18:19 | |
You're gonna be. | 00:18:20 | |
Sorry. | 00:18:23 | |
Sorry, I feel like I'm in the dark. What is this project all about? | 00:18:25 | |
So the project was presented at the last meeting, the idea being that as we have provided from Jenny here, these little QR codes. | 00:18:28 | |
So the idea was that. | 00:18:32 | |
Quickly, because this was we have a video of this. | 00:18:38 | |
To create some kind of internal business information. | 00:18:41 | |
Resource. | 00:18:45 | |
Through our Pick PG website and hosted on the thing, but essentially it would manifest in that we would. | 00:18:47 | |
Produce or so. | 00:18:53 | |
Have a small amount of funding go towards. | 00:18:57 | |
Helping businesses fund. | 00:18:59 | |
Some commercial production for like a short bio video for whatever their business is. | 00:19:02 | |
Umm. | 00:19:06 | |
Free use to them. We also would host it in a city thing and then a fixed to the facade of whatever business would be. | 00:19:07 | |
A QR code you know. | 00:19:15 | |
Less than the size of a sheet of paper, but you know some something that's noticeable walk from the sidewalk and as people are | 00:19:16 | |
walking through town they can find a. | 00:19:21 | |
Bookstore or restaurant or an art gallery and get more information kind of instantly about that. | 00:19:25 | |
Business. | 00:19:30 | |
And then once our they're on our Pick PG website, there's other places they can find information about or whatever and it's. | 00:19:31 | |
You know this is not about. | 00:19:39 | |
The debt like, it's not about Lighthouse, it's not about restaurants, It's about every business and PG and it can work for | 00:19:41 | |
anywhere there's foot traffic, which is great or points of interest that are nonprofit or anything like that. So that's. | 00:19:46 | |
That's the outline of the the elevator pitch on the on the project. | 00:19:52 | |
Thank you. OK, So wanted to just ask, is it worth? | 00:20:02 | |
Having a. | 00:20:07 | |
Doing a a written kind of report just outlining some of that stuff and then it would be much easier to report was submitted with | 00:20:09 | |
the last agenda, I mean. | 00:20:14 | |
More fine grained, more with you know with. | 00:20:21 | |
Answers to some of these questions, like should be in the report. | 00:20:24 | |
As far as, you know, rough estimate of day rate, why it's, you know, kind of this thing. Yeah, no, I just meant like more more of | 00:20:29 | |
like a concrete proposal with like you know, let us start with 10 businesses and that. I mean just wondering like you know | 00:20:33 | |
something which is. | 00:20:38 | |
Concrete and and and I'm happy to to, you know, get. | 00:20:43 | |
To do the next iteration of that and that and that like. | 00:20:49 | |
But I think that there needs to be input from the Commission of like. | 00:20:53 | |
What do we think the viability factor is here for? I mean, if we do 5 like? | 00:20:56 | |
Is it? | 00:21:01 | |
Gonna be useful if we do 10 like what? | 00:21:02 | |
Like. | 00:21:05 | |
If we put five of these up around town and they're not all right together, no one's going to notice right, if there's five on. | 00:21:06 | |
Victorian Corner Wild Fish Rudolph. Who's the quill you know? | 00:21:12 | |
Suzuki Zoo, That whole line. People will notice, right? But that's not probably the way it's going to work. | 00:21:17 | |
So I think that there is a line of like. | 00:21:23 | |
Drawing attention. I don't know what that is, and I'm certainly open to input. | 00:21:26 | |
And maybe that's a better question for our friends at the Chamber, but I think that like. | 00:21:31 | |
There needs to be a line, but then that of course goes back to. | 00:21:37 | |
The you know, if we say ohh well 30 seems right. | 00:21:41 | |
Then that's there's a cost associated with that to the Commission, right, so. | 00:21:45 | |
I think. | 00:21:49 | |
We need to first look at budgetary issue. | 00:21:50 | |
And then marry that with. | 00:21:53 | |
Well, do we have and like if we think 30 is the line, do we have enough budget to finance that? | 00:21:55 | |
And if we don't? | 00:22:01 | |
Where do we seek outside funding? | 00:22:03 | |
Or like. | 00:22:05 | |
Can we get away with however many we can produce on the funding we have? So. | 00:22:06 | |
There's sort of a lot of things that kind of have to happen at once, I feel like just to to get the ball rolling, but I don't know | 00:22:11 | |
like. | 00:22:15 | |
Without the funding piece, I think that's the biggest issue is the budgetary aspect currently. | 00:22:19 | |
Right. The way I see it possibly working is by saying like let's take 30, you know a pilot study with 30 is going to cost X, you | 00:22:25 | |
know we the EDC will fund, I don't know 20,000 or whatever it is contingent on. | 00:22:33 | |
The remainder being funded by someone else like that kind of a deal and and this is going to be funded. | 00:22:41 | |
Little bit per joiner per, per partner, right. So it's it's like you know it's it's kind of like the facade improvement like we're | 00:22:48 | |
going to allocate X amount of resources. | 00:22:52 | |
If five people sign up. | 00:22:56 | |
OK, here's your thing. We don't have to spend the money, but it's not going to be like. | 00:22:58 | |
We're gonna throw 30 thousand $20,000 at something and only get two businesses out of it. It's going to be per expense and | 00:23:02 | |
probably a build back program program probably makes the most sense for the business. So the business would need to front the | 00:23:08 | |
money, whatever the cost is, and then we'll reimburse up to $500.00 for their cost or whatever, whatever number. | 00:23:14 | |
Works out, but I think that's probably the best way to approach it. But there needs to be the allocation of resources first. So I | 00:23:20 | |
don't know what that number is. I thought we had a fresh budget. I think that that's incorrect. | 00:23:26 | |
Chair. | 00:23:32 | |
We were waiting on city staff but. | 00:23:33 | |
So. | 00:23:36 | |
Yeah, we, we have some commitment at the moment, yeah. | 00:23:38 | |
So I'm absolutely willing to sit down with you and maybe put together this. I think you can do both, I think. I don't think you | 00:23:43 | |
have to know how much the EDC might give. | 00:23:48 | |
I think if it the program is. | 00:23:53 | |
Exciting and enticing, and it will be good for visitors and for locals alike. We should move forward and create a proposal so that | 00:23:56 | |
we can come to the DC to say we'd love for you to contribute to it however much you can. And that will work for any entity that | 00:24:02 | |
you're looking for funding from. So I'm willing to work on that. If you create a subcommittee, I would be willing to be on that | 00:24:08 | |
one. | 00:24:14 | |
Griffin. | 00:24:21 | |
Umm, I just want to mention as a business owner. | 00:24:22 | |
I think I worry. | 00:24:26 | |
That like last meeting I was super about this idea and I was like, I still think it's a great idea, but hearing this meeting | 00:24:28 | |
talking about how much? | 00:24:32 | |
Might be on the business to pay for it, I don't think personally I it would make sense. | 00:24:36 | |
For me, just because everything is the $1,000,000 right now and it's like every penny we can save, I would rather save it and | 00:24:41 | |
currently with how downtown is. | 00:24:45 | |
There's not. | 00:24:50 | |
A ton of. | 00:24:51 | |
New, young businesses, there's a lot of older demographics, so it's like. | 00:24:52 | |
Whoever is part of this. | 00:24:56 | |
Program like would those customers looking at those ones even are they the same customers for me, So it's like. | 00:24:59 | |
I might not see a benefit for it. So why would I want to pay into it if it especially if it's like all up front, if I'm like let's | 00:25:07 | |
say it's 2500, it's like I wouldn't foresee paying that and seeing like. | 00:25:13 | |
Something out of it early on, maybe down the line it would make sense, but. | 00:25:19 | |
I think I worry with the cost up front. | 00:25:24 | |
It might not be as enticing. | 00:25:27 | |
Sure. And I mean it, this is not meant to be a silver bullet or A1 size fits all. I mean every business is has their choice to | 00:25:29 | |
partake or not. So if it doesn't if for your specific business like you don't see the return on that. | 00:25:35 | |
That's fine, but I mean I think like for some of the restaurants that are dinner only, that may miss customers that are here from. | 00:25:42 | |
You know, 2:50 PM. | 00:25:49 | |
And then go back to their hotel to freshen up and then look for a dinner plan if we can capture those people that are here during | 00:25:52 | |
the day to like be at the museum or whatever it is. | 00:25:57 | |
And then get them to come back for dinner like and they can get some information about. | 00:26:02 | |
The businesses here, I think that's like the real return on it. | 00:26:08 | |
Or whatever it is, you know? I mean, it's like. | 00:26:12 | |
OK, I you know. | 00:26:14 | |
They're here for this thing. They make a dinner plan and then they also are on the website and find out about some other | 00:26:16 | |
attraction that they wanna check out in town the next day or you know, that morning or whatever. So. | 00:26:22 | |
Yeah, I mean it's definitely not mandatory is the thing. So I mean that's every business owners, you know, prerogative to see | 00:26:28 | |
whether they. | 00:26:32 | |
See the value in it or not And it also is like. | 00:26:37 | |
Maybe it's not the right time. | 00:26:40 | |
Like to use your business as an example, Maybe it's not the right time for you guys now. | 00:26:42 | |
But. | 00:26:46 | |
Two years from now when this program has 75 participants like and there is a lot more traction and value from it maybe than it is | 00:26:47 | |
your time to do it. So it's not. This isn't A1 shot. I see this as like we need to have. | 00:26:53 | |
A rollout, a package of rollout that makes it a viable program, but I see this being an ongoing, you know, we add. | 00:27:00 | |
1510 or 15, every time we offer it or every year or whatever it is, we can renew funding for it and it's like and I don't. | 00:27:07 | |
That's the other side of it is this is this is a Commission with a relatively small budget. It should. | 00:27:15 | |
I think it's. | 00:27:21 | |
Easier to front load a program like this. | 00:27:22 | |
And. | 00:27:24 | |
Spend the money now and then it becomes a $5000 ongoing project every fiscal year instead of a $20,000 project so. | 00:27:25 | |
That's kind of the nature of it, but. | 00:27:35 | |
You know for our for internally city, social media website, all this stuff, there's real value there which is why we're. | 00:27:38 | |
Would would subsidize? | 00:27:46 | |
So. | 00:27:48 | |
Yeah, can I make a Of course. A suggestion? | 00:27:49 | |
It sounds as though I I. | 00:27:52 | |
I appreciate the idea and the energy behind this. I'd love to see potentially A subcommittee to discuss it further. | 00:27:54 | |
And then bring bring back. | 00:28:00 | |
Recommendation with a little bit of research is to, you know, buy in how you might work with. | 00:28:02 | |
Jenny and the Chamber. | 00:28:07 | |
And. | 00:28:10 | |
Kind of work through some of the details that we're discussing here. I don't think we're gonna necessarily solve it. | 00:28:11 | |
Yeah, this meeting. | 00:28:16 | |
But I'd love to keep this moving along, so maybe it's a subcommittee that. | 00:28:17 | |
Sure. | 00:28:22 | |
Establish. | 00:28:23 | |
Commissioner Rich. | 00:28:25 | |
And I had some final thoughts actually that I forgot to say, but very important and I think it just goes all back to all of. | 00:28:26 | |
These issues we're having where everything we say seems like it doesn't go anywhere, it's like, what is? | 00:28:34 | |
The point like it's this is really like pessimistic, but what is the point of us working so hard on these things and then no one's | 00:28:39 | |
on board with us? It's like if we were more connected with. | 00:28:44 | |
All the other commissions and the councils and blah, blah, blah. It's like, yeah, we could actually get some cool stuff done for | 00:28:49 | |
the businesses and for the community and for the tourists and. | 00:28:53 | |
Everybody involved and that I would feel confident being part of something like this. It's like. | 00:28:58 | |
Right now I don't feel confident because I can see how much miscommunication there is, or just lack of communication altogether. | 00:29:03 | |
And just lack of action as well. So it's like. | 00:29:09 | |
If I felt like. | 00:29:12 | |
Everyone was on board and they were like, ohh, that's a great idea from the EDC. We should move on it. It's like that would feel | 00:29:13 | |
so good and I I would be pumped to be part of that. And then it also goes back to all of our empty storefronts. It's like. | 00:29:19 | |
How long are we going to talk about empty storefronts? And nothing ever changes. So it's like. | 00:29:25 | |
I don't know, I just, I worry all these miscommunications or lack of, it's just like how do we actually move forward And I know | 00:29:31 | |
that's a such a bigger conversation and that's not your agenda item, but it's like. | 00:29:36 | |
So part of it and it's so frustrating, it certainly is part of it and I I really appreciate your comments and that and that is | 00:29:42 | |
that is absolutely. | 00:29:46 | |
In my mind. | 00:29:51 | |
It's like. | 00:29:53 | |
I want something that can come out of the EDC's budget so we can do it ourselves. | 00:29:54 | |
And just do the project, which was the idea behind it, right? But then it's like everything. It's all snowball. So it's like the | 00:30:00 | |
more that there's this school project going and that there's success behind it, the more people want to open businesses here, the | 00:30:04 | |
more those less open storefronts, you know, XY and Z, this is not. | 00:30:09 | |
Next week. This is like five years down the road, but it's like you have to do something and I wanted to have a project that is | 00:30:15 | |
like largely digital. | 00:30:19 | |
So that it the cost is lower because so that this Commission can just. | 00:30:23 | |
Write a check for it and we don't have to go outside of it. You know, we got into some budgetary issues for. | 00:30:28 | |
Reasons out of our control but like here we are, but if we can get. | 00:30:33 | |
The chamber or whoever on board and then the and then it's like. | 00:30:37 | |
We can just decide, as this Commission, to move forward. | 00:30:40 | |
Progress happens, so we don't have to be lost. If I can just add one thing to the subcommittee conversation, because I I'd love | 00:30:44 | |
to. | 00:30:48 | |
It's on. It's just I'm leaning back. | 00:30:53 | |
So in addition to doing a bit more research into the buy in and how we might roll something like this out, I think probably the | 00:30:56 | |
key. | 00:31:00 | |
To your point, Commissioner Richmond. | 00:31:04 | |
The key element that we need to establish here is who has ownership of this, because when we say the royal we. | 00:31:06 | |
We are not. | 00:31:12 | |
A working. | 00:31:14 | |
Commission that is literally doing the work right. So we need city staff support, we need support from the chamber and that needs | 00:31:15 | |
to be established up front so that it's clear who takes the reins after we say go do this. | 00:31:22 | |
And that's still. | 00:31:29 | |
At the moment unclear, yeah. So I would I would appreciate having some guidance from the subcommittee on that as well. So is that | 00:31:30 | |
something that? | 00:31:34 | |
No, I think that's a great idea. | 00:31:38 | |
OK. | 00:31:41 | |
Yeah. To Kelsey's point about the upfront charges, I just seem to be having conversations every day with local businesses. Most | 00:31:42 | |
people are saying they're running at 50% of what they were running at last year. The the downturn has been so dramatic and. | 00:31:50 | |
Umm. | 00:31:59 | |
I. | 00:32:00 | |
Think it's a great idea? We need to know like just a general idea about buying, you know if, if when you go around to businesses. | 00:32:02 | |
It would be useful to have a Plan B where. | 00:32:10 | |
A grant is that is. | 00:32:14 | |
Saw it or where where we have some other revenue apart from our smallish budget to be able to subsidize more I think what the | 00:32:16 | |
businesses have to pay, I think that would ensure a lot of success and. | 00:32:22 | |
Um, you know, for the city to be offering something to support businesses, I think that is a really awesome thing to support. So I | 00:32:29 | |
I would have thought it's a good you're in a good position there, but I I do feel there might need to just. | 00:32:35 | |
Because of the economic climate right now, I feel like that's that's really important. I totally understand. And I think I think | 00:32:42 | |
you're absolutely right. And I think like, again, like we're not asking people to spend. | 00:32:47 | |
A bunch of money in December when it's very slow, right. Like I think it's like by the time this gets off the ground, it'll | 00:32:52 | |
probably be April or May. So I mean that's that's probably what you know there's probably gonna be, might be a little bit better. | 00:32:58 | |
But I think you're absolutely right and I think again goes back to the question about viability if if we say. | 00:33:04 | |
This Commission is willing to spend. | 00:33:10 | |
You know 15,000 but we think the viability line of this project is 10 to 15 businesses then we can subsidize a lot more in the | 00:33:12 | |
first go round, right. So it's like make it easier on. | 00:33:17 | |
Early, early supporters, I guess You know so. | 00:33:22 | |
Umm. | 00:33:26 | |
I think that's a question for subcommittee, and I think subcommittee is a great idea. | 00:33:27 | |
Commissioner. | 00:33:30 | |
So I know I didn't. OK, So what is the existing budget? What's left in our budget this year? | 00:33:39 | |
I don't have that in front of me. The. | 00:33:44 | |
The line item that needs to be. | 00:33:47 | |
Established is whether or not we're funding the grant program through our EDC budget or with that that's coming from city it's. | 00:33:50 | |
Been advised by. | 00:33:59 | |
Council that we are able to use the DC budget to do so. | 00:34:00 | |
So we're waiting on city staff. | 00:34:05 | |
For guidance. | 00:34:06 | |
The next steps. | 00:34:07 | |
So how do they do? | 00:34:08 | |
Do we know? | 00:34:10 | |
Can we find out what's left in our budget? | 00:34:11 | |
And yes, that would be a city staff question, but yes, OK, at the moment it should be. | 00:34:14 | |
Into the end. | 00:34:19 | |
Which is why. | 00:34:20 | |
I don't have it in front of me. Yeah, 38,000. | 00:34:22 | |
So the so July 1, the budget. | 00:34:27 | |
Resets and it was 38,000. The problem is that the. | 00:34:29 | |
Minority Business grant is a large chunk of that so. | 00:34:34 | |
The proposal that I put forward, when I put forward, I was asking for a large part of the $38,000 budget which was in the initial | 00:34:38 | |
report. | 00:34:41 | |
I was asking to allocate $25,000. | 00:34:46 | |
But we don't have $25,000 now because 20,000 of it is going to the the minority business grant. | 00:34:48 | |
So we're left with 18. | 00:34:53 | |
Which may be enough. | 00:34:57 | |
Or it might not, but then it doesn't leave us any money for any projects until July 1 again, so which is not? | 00:34:59 | |
The position I wanted to put the Commission in because as much as I like this, I like all of my fellow Commissioners as well, so. | 00:35:05 | |
The other question I had was in terms of communication with the Council. | 00:35:12 | |
What do we do about it? | 00:35:19 | |
I mean, do we go to their meetings and do a public comment? Do we ask? | 00:35:21 | |
Councilman perjury to address it today. What do we do about it? | 00:35:25 | |
I mean it's we talk about it every meeting and nothing is done about it. | 00:35:29 | |
So what do we do about it? | 00:35:34 | |
I don't have a question, but Commissioner Markowitz or an answer, yeah, it it seems that we're running around it. You just, Robin, | 00:35:38 | |
you just brought up something great. | 00:35:42 | |
How much money do we have? | 00:35:46 | |
What do we have to do? We're coming up with all these projects that are requiring money. Might it be the time for us just to go to | 00:35:47 | |
City Council and say, hey guys, we want to do this, we're perfectly willing to do this, give us the budget to do some of these | 00:35:52 | |
things that work on the city. | 00:35:56 | |
I mean, they're handing money. Ohh, you're planning this, this this is economic development. 38,000 spill. Half of you got 18,000 | 00:36:02 | |
left. You can develop the economy and tell us exactly what we need to do. That's ridiculous. | 00:36:07 | |
I wonder is there a way that we can go to City Council and say, hey guys? | 00:36:14 | |
You want this stuff done? Give us the budget to do it and we'll be more than happy to run with it. | 00:36:18 | |
Like Aaron's project, if we had the money to do it. | 00:36:24 | |
In a snap, we'd be out there doing this. | 00:36:27 | |
The, you know, minority businesses, if that money was there, would just spend a whole bunch of money. But now there are there. Now | 00:36:29 | |
we're talking about a concert series. Where's the money gonna come from? | 00:36:33 | |
There's got to be a lot of money and there was a personnel. I don't bring this up. There was a personnel decision made about a | 00:36:38 | |
month ago that cost this city a half $1,000,000. | 00:36:42 | |
And everybody knows what I'm talking about and we're sitting here talking about $8000 and why we can't move things. | 00:36:46 | |
And that is incredibly frustrating. This is my third year on this Commission. | 00:36:52 | |
And it's gone downhill. | 00:36:56 | |
And it really has the money that we've been able to spend and the things we have meetings and we talk about. Let's do this. | 00:36:58 | |
Where's the money? And we can't. We don't know what our fiscal situation is to be able to do any of these projects we want. | 00:37:04 | |
I was looking at the agenda. There's this thing that. | 00:37:11 | |
That I guess that. | 00:37:13 | |
Commissioner Gibbs put together on this the thing that taking a look at the projects, top ranking locations and all this stuff and | 00:37:15 | |
how we can follow up. | 00:37:19 | |
This is going to cost money. | 00:37:23 | |
And we're going to have to come up with some money and it's really frustrating. Well, let's go to City Council next week and see | 00:37:24 | |
if they can give us a buck 280 for a cup of coffee. | 00:37:28 | |
Thank you. | 00:37:33 | |
OK. | 00:37:35 | |
Mr. James. | 00:37:36 | |
Yeah, so the. | 00:37:38 | |
Minority grants. | 00:37:40 | |
Was 20,000. We had it in the budget last year. We were poised to. | 00:37:41 | |
Distribute the money and then it it disappeared, it just went back to council. | 00:37:47 | |
So I think that there is an argument to go to council and say, well, that money. | 00:37:53 | |
We were delayed. | 00:37:58 | |
It's going back to council. Could council pay it? | 00:38:00 | |
And then we can use our budget for this, the budget for this year. | 00:38:03 | |
For things that we're going to do this year. | 00:38:07 | |
So again. | 00:38:09 | |
I I'm not sure, it seems a little. | 00:38:11 | |
I had four. | 00:38:14 | |
EDC members to just go to public comment to communicate with. | 00:38:15 | |
The council, I think, may be a more meaningful kind of, you know, you can't say much in 3 minutes, so maybe through Councilman | 00:38:19 | |
Poduri, we could try to. | 00:38:24 | |
What? | 00:38:30 | |
Councilman Materi, right. OK, awesome. That was all I wanted to say. | 00:38:31 | |
Councilman. | 00:38:37 | |
Thank you, and for some reason I'm actually on the public comment, but usually I'm a panelist. | 00:38:40 | |
Either way, that's that's besides the point. The the. | 00:38:46 | |
The. | 00:38:50 | |
I would say there's a couple of things in here. One is I I don't have the back history, the history behind why? | 00:38:51 | |
38,000 why that? | 00:38:57 | |
Magic number was allocated for the ADC. | 00:38:59 | |
So I think if if the intent for this Commission is to increase that amount in any fashion. | 00:39:03 | |
All of you have to come to terms to what that amount needs to be. | 00:39:09 | |
And if that's the intent, then I suggest having a a topic. | 00:39:13 | |
To discuss that particular. | 00:39:18 | |
Item. | 00:39:20 | |
And come together on a conclusion on what that number needs to be. | 00:39:21 | |
And propose that to Council for Council to make a decision. | 00:39:25 | |
That's. That's one. | 00:39:29 | |
The other thing is, right now you are budgeted with 38,000 out of which you have consumed some amount. So you only have so much | 00:39:30 | |
for the rest of the year. | 00:39:34 | |
So if if, the decision is to. | 00:39:39 | |
Allocate some amount for this current year, then that particular item needs to be surfaced to council this year. | 00:39:42 | |
Otherwise it has to be for the next year. | 00:39:49 | |
So you have to make two decisions and I can certainly work with. | 00:39:52 | |
The chair or or you as a group to to see where we need to come with that. | 00:39:56 | |
But council needs to make a decision. | 00:40:01 | |
On this matter, because you're. | 00:40:03 | |
Raising something. | 00:40:05 | |
That I've not seen before, and maybe it's it. It has been raised before, but I've not seen it. | 00:40:06 | |
But either way, it appears to me. | 00:40:11 | |
That 38,000 is not enough. | 00:40:13 | |
And and so therefore. | 00:40:15 | |
What does that amount? | 00:40:17 | |
I think you need to come to that conclusion. | 00:40:19 | |
Hopefully that helps. | 00:40:21 | |
I'm actually I just. I just. | 00:40:28 | |
Want to mention real quick? | 00:40:31 | |
I actually didn't even know that we like lost. | 00:40:33 | |
That money for the Women and minorities grant because it didn't make it before. | 00:40:35 | |
Aren't year was up. This isn't brand new to me. I had no idea. And to me, I look at that and I think. | 00:40:41 | |
Like. | 00:40:49 | |
City Council to me is kind of like. | 00:40:50 | |
The boss compared to us, you know and if the boss misses the deadline, who's responsible for that? Like that doesn't make any | 00:40:52 | |
sense. And. | 00:40:56 | |
They have to be paying attention to dates as well, in my minds, and they should be taking it seriously. And if that means it's now | 00:41:00 | |
coming out of this years, that means we might not get to do the grant program again, which means. | 00:41:06 | |
In some fashion. To me, that's stealing. They're stealing from our community. | 00:41:13 | |
Like. | 00:41:17 | |
Business owners, because now 22 businesses don't get the chance to do it if we're kind of screwed out on that money to give away | 00:41:17 | |
so. | 00:41:21 | |
That's I don't know. I'm. I'm blown away by that. And I think that's so irresponsible of the City Council to not take action on it | 00:41:25 | |
when they needed to and to be paying attention to those dates. | 00:41:30 | |
Yeah, it makes me upset and I hope those two businesses that are deserving of that grant speak up at the City Council meeting. | 00:41:35 | |
I I just like to comment as well that you know I think the collective. | 00:41:43 | |
Issue here that we also are facing which is evident is. | 00:41:49 | |
Just the fact that we don't have staff representation. | 00:41:53 | |
So a lot of these issues would be solved by having. | 00:41:56 | |
You know a. | 00:42:00 | |
Individual who's able to inform us on a lot of this and and right now we're flying blind. | 00:42:02 | |
So a lot of good questions being asked. I think that it's very clear that there's some frustration around a number of things. | 00:42:07 | |
But at the moment. | 00:42:14 | |
In order for us to operate effectively, we also need to have the. | 00:42:16 | |
You know the team to back us in. | 00:42:20 | |
What we're discussing and and how to execute the things. | 00:42:23 | |
We're proposing. | 00:42:26 | |
Need. | 00:42:30 | |
Next steps I would see then, for us to put together a proposal for a budget. | 00:42:31 | |
And presented to City Council. | 00:42:36 | |
Sent to City Council. | 00:42:38 | |
Is that? | 00:42:40 | |
What you think? Well, no, I I don't know that we're there yet. | 00:42:40 | |
Because we have a budget. | 00:42:44 | |
And we've gone through. | 00:42:46 | |
A budget? | 00:42:48 | |
Conversation. | 00:42:49 | |
In previous meetings, so a. | 00:42:51 | |
In fact, Commissioner Markowitz and. | 00:42:54 | |
Commissioner Jacobs are, pardon me, McMurdo. | 00:42:56 | |
Put together a proposal for. | 00:42:59 | |
Utilizing the budget. | 00:43:02 | |
Probably about six months ago at this point. | 00:43:04 | |
So we we have discussed that you know the at this point we I think need some gut staff guidance on how we're proceeding with the | 00:43:09 | |
spending over the grant program and sure, sure and if I may we we have strayed a bit from an agenda item. | 00:43:16 | |
Into a completely different topic, and I know it's a very important topic, but you may want to agendize this for another meeting. | 00:43:24 | |
So that you can make a decision on it and the public has an opportunity to to speak on it. | 00:43:31 | |
Fair. So two months from now? | 00:43:36 | |
So I think, I think to answer now, Chair, I think the thing we can do now is. | 00:43:38 | |
I think, I think the subcommittee was a good idea. I think we should maybe look for a motion to form a subcommittee and. | 00:43:43 | |
Find some members for it and have two months to talk about something. | 00:43:49 | |
I'll make that motion for a subcommittee to support. | 00:43:52 | |
The. | 00:43:55 | |
QR code project. | 00:43:56 | |
Seconded. | 00:43:58 | |
Well, but we, yeah, we received the report, but we're also. | 00:44:02 | |
OK. So, yeah, excellent. OK, so second. | 00:44:05 | |
To have a second. | 00:44:09 | |
I I'll let's just I'll make a motion that myself. | 00:44:17 | |
Commissioner McMurdo. | 00:44:21 | |
Does anybody else want to be? | 00:44:23 | |
Yeah, Liz can't. Liz is out of her bandwidth. | 00:44:25 | |
All right, Kelsey, the three of us will be on subcommittee. I'll I'll make that motion if someone wants to 2nd. | 00:44:29 | |
2nd. | 00:44:37 | |
By. | 00:44:40 | |
Commissioner Markowitz. | 00:44:41 | |
OK. | 00:44:44 | |
So. | 00:44:45 | |
Let's do a roll call. There you go. | 00:44:47 | |
Commissioner Hoops. | 00:44:50 | |
Aye. | 00:44:51 | |
Commissioner Markowitz, Commissioner Richmond. | 00:44:52 | |
Aye, Commissioner Gibbs. Yes, Commissioner Venuti. | 00:44:55 | |
Aye, Vice Chair Jacobs. Aye, chair Upman. | 00:44:59 | |
With seven eyes and 0 nays, the motion passes. | 00:45:02 | |
I see that Commissioner Colletti has his hand raised. We have. | 00:45:10 | |
Pardon me, Council member Coletti. | 00:45:16 | |
In terms of. | 00:45:19 | |
Order here. | 00:45:21 | |
Are we open to accepting public comment at this point, or have we moved? | 00:45:22 | |
Yeah, he's, I would presume, attending as a member of the public, correct. | 00:45:30 | |
I can go ahead and open it up. Leave that to the chair, I guess. | 00:45:37 | |
Councilman Kalati. | 00:45:42 | |
Ohh, thank you Chair. And you know, another interesting discussion here at the DC. | 00:45:45 | |
And. | 00:45:51 | |
You. I think there's just you. You hit the nail on the head. I think the EDC is flying blind in a few important understandings. | 00:45:52 | |
Of how items are agendized and how you move forward budget requests. | 00:46:01 | |
And who you do that through? | 00:46:06 | |
The chair of your committee can put on. | 00:46:08 | |
Your agenda at any time. | 00:46:11 | |
A request for an update on the current funding, the budget funding for your for your Commission. | 00:46:14 | |
And likewise, staff can bring forward an agenda item to Council so. | 00:46:21 | |
It's really the staff that you have to be working through to move these things forward and to get regular updates. | 00:46:27 | |
So hope that helps. | 00:46:33 | |
What's that? | 00:46:36 | |
Yeah. | 00:46:37 | |
OK. Thank you. | 00:46:38 | |
OK. Moving on to the next item on the agenda. | 00:46:39 | |
That brings us to a presentation from a customer, Commissioner Gibbs. We have the Tripadvisor's top ranking locations in Pacific | 00:46:43 | |
Grove and there's a presentation deck that goes along with that. | 00:46:48 | |
Thank you. | 00:46:56 | |
Open. | 00:46:57 | |
Patient to be upset, only introduce it. | 00:47:01 | |
The the subcommittee is talked a bit about. | 00:47:04 | |
You know strategic plan for Pacific Grove, the business areas we've talked about the last couple of months. | 00:47:09 | |
And. | 00:47:14 | |
You know, it was kind of interesting as part of my own research. | 00:47:16 | |
I went online. | 00:47:19 | |
And, you know, ask myself. | 00:47:21 | |
There's really a couple different groups. There's the residents. | 00:47:23 | |
That expect. | 00:47:26 | |
Businesses to me a certain way and then there's get visitors and guests and and they have a fairly different opinion, so. | 00:47:28 | |
I went and switched around a little bit. Travel Advisor is one of the bigger sites, have been around a long time. They have an | 00:47:34 | |
interesting algorithm. | 00:47:37 | |
They pledged a lot of data, so I typed in Pacific Grove. Where do people go when they come to Pacific Grove? | 00:47:41 | |
And so before we. | 00:47:46 | |
Can we pop the? | 00:47:48 | |
The PowerPoint up there. | 00:47:50 | |
Is that part of the It's not going to work without the president? Yeah, let me. | 00:47:54 | |
All right. Yeah. So the question to the commissioners is? | 00:47:59 | |
Most of us have been here for a while. If you think of your top one or two spots, your favorite places that you like to go. | 00:48:03 | |
In Pacific Grove and I'm not sure we can have a huge discussion, but I'm just kind of interested. | 00:48:09 | |
To get a just go around, you could pop up and tell me if the top two places, I mean, you got Lovers Point and that kind of stuff. | 00:48:15 | |
What would be your favorites from a as a resident? | 00:48:19 | |
I'm on the red trail every day. | 00:48:25 | |
OK. So the Rec trail, you're walking up and down. Are you biking or walking? Walking. OK. | 00:48:27 | |
Anybody else? | 00:48:33 | |
From lovers, yeah, point of order. It does need to be presentation. Then we do comments, so it does. | 00:48:35 | |
OK, you need to finish so let me just put post it this way. | 00:48:40 | |
Think about in your mind, since we're not having comments. | 00:48:44 | |
What it is that you know what your favorite places are and thank you for that. And then we're going to, I'm just going to show | 00:48:48 | |
some slides pretty quick. | 00:48:51 | |
And we'll go through it. And you might be surprised. Maybe not. So see if this matches up with what your favorite spots are in | 00:48:55 | |
Pacific Grove. | 00:48:58 | |
If we can. | 00:49:02 | |
This guy. | 00:49:06 | |
There you go. | 00:49:11 | |
Thank you. | 00:49:13 | |
You'll recognize the spots. I don't really have the if we go to the first. | 00:49:15 | |
Oops, real quick. Hold on. | 00:49:19 | |
There you go. | 00:49:23 | |
All right, so here's the list. If you could scroll up so we can see the bottom of the list. | 00:49:34 | |
See the whole list here. And they're not in any particular order, but these are the ones that pop up to people I was asking folks | 00:49:38 | |
in town. | 00:49:41 | |
Yeah, I won't, you know, go through all, but you know, obvious ones. Lighthouse Sanctuary, Lovers Point Golf Course History | 00:49:44 | |
Museum. You can see the list here. | 00:49:48 | |
So if you look at that, put in your mind what are your favorite spots? | 00:49:52 | |
Here can we Scroll down and go to the first spot and on. This is on TripAdvisor. | 00:49:56 | |
No, there was no argument here. Lovers Point is far and away number one. That's where people go. Hang out. They go for picnics. | 00:50:01 | |
The comments are, you know, outstanding, then no surprise there, let's go next. | 00:50:08 | |
#2 | 00:50:12 | |
and by the way, these are pictures are not copyrighted because they're mine. This is me surfing out there. | 00:50:13 | |
No, it's not. No, No, it's not. | 00:50:20 | |
Well, and so it's a summer beach and it's mainly for, you know, hanging out, surfing, picking. | 00:50:24 | |
You know, lighting fires at night, #3 is on the list. Ocean View Blvd. So Rob and Commissioner Venuti walking back and forth. I | 00:50:30 | |
took this picture last week. That's number three. Number four. | 00:50:36 | |
Is obviously the Monarch sanctuary. This picture came from the monarchs. Last year they were in full force and they were already | 00:50:42 | |
out. This year I have in my front yard already. OK #5. | 00:50:47 | |
Is Lighthouse, which you can kind of see this is at. | 00:50:53 | |
A sunrise. I took this a few months ago. | 00:50:57 | |
You see Lighthouse there, Number six. | 00:50:59 | |
May be surprised. | 00:51:01 | |
I don't visit this. This is number six from the on the TripAdvisor. These are people that come from the outside. I can't tell you | 00:51:03 | |
I've ever been there. | 00:51:07 | |
But it is number six in the most popular sites by from our guests and visitors. | 00:51:11 | |
#7 | 00:51:15 | |
Love this one is the motorcycle museum. Does anybody not know you can raise your hand? You don't have to make a comment. | 00:51:17 | |
Where the motorcycle museum it sits about one block up from here, on the left hand side, right. | 00:51:23 | |
So that's the seventh most popular so. | 00:51:27 | |
I guess we can't have a comment yet. My question is then. | 00:51:31 | |
Why not the Natural History Museum that's not in the top seven. Why not? | 00:51:35 | |
Right. And the question is. | 00:51:39 | |
Are we not advertising or we don't? Don't we have the resources? What's going on that people? It's a marvelous resource. Why | 00:51:40 | |
aren't people there? | 00:51:44 | |
Next the golf course. This is the 8th T or this is the 8th green at the golf course at sunset. | 00:51:49 | |
And it is one of the best public golf courses in. | 00:51:55 | |
The world. I don't think anybody here is a golfer. | 00:51:59 | |
I'm not very good by 11 golf. It is featured in golf magazines, but it's not featured as a place that people go. | 00:52:02 | |
This is the Noah building, which will be discussed pretty thoroughly tonight at the Planning Commission. | 00:52:09 | |
The picture that you see of the diver, that's Japanese female diver. | 00:52:15 | |
And they're diving for abalone. Ray Troll is the artist of this. | 00:52:19 | |
And he is a world renowned artist. This is a treasure that's not listed on the TripAdvisor Next. | 00:52:23 | |
Washington Park. This is an eagle or sorry, a hawk that we took in Washington Park. It's a great resource. It's 20 acres. | 00:52:31 | |
With three acres on the South end, which is. | 00:52:39 | |
You know, equipment and that kind of stuff. | 00:52:42 | |
And then the last thing is the library. | 00:52:45 | |
Pacific Grove has the only Carnegie library. | 00:52:48 | |
In Monterey County, the only one operating Carnegie Library in Monterey County, it's a big deal. There are 4000, used to be 4000 | 00:52:51 | |
around the country. We reestablished this there. There are people that do nothing. | 00:52:57 | |
That do nothing but visit Carnegie libraries. | 00:53:03 | |
Right. | 00:53:06 | |
They're they're old folks and they get in the car and they drive around and they take pictures of the library and they share them | 00:53:07 | |
on Instagram. | 00:53:10 | |
Why not here? Oh, the last one is. | 00:53:13 | |
Downtown's not even on the list. | 00:53:15 | |
So if you look at downtown, right across from here and up on block is the PG History Center that happens, the PG Art Center, | 00:53:18 | |
that's that's probably my top favorite place to go. | 00:53:22 | |
You know, first Fridays to go up there for exhibits. Local artists and authors are present. They're not on the list. We don't | 00:53:27 | |
advertise it. I don't know why. Maybe Liz understands why that's not on the list. OK. | 00:53:33 | |
That's the end of the presentation. | 00:53:40 | |
So I'm just curious if there's any comments as we look forward to the strategic plan and thinking about not only what's best for | 00:53:42 | |
the residents? | 00:53:45 | |
What's best for the visitors and guests? | 00:53:49 | |
Some of these things are obvious and some of the things are not. Obviously we want people to come to the restaurants, the bar | 00:53:52 | |
code. | 00:53:55 | |
But if they're here, visiting these assets or these natural wonders? | 00:53:58 | |
You know they're here for a couple hours. Wait, what do we go eat? And the and the barcode could be at. | 00:54:02 | |
Some of these more frequently visited sites could it not. | 00:54:08 | |
OK. So I'm done with my presentation. I'm just kind of curious what everybody on the on the Commission thinks about that. | 00:54:11 | |
Any comments from the public before we move on? | 00:54:25 | |
Hello Nadia Mark on resident. | 00:54:31 | |
Umm. | 00:54:34 | |
I'm I'm not quite clear what the purpose of this is, considering the one data point being TripAdvisor and it's a consumer. | 00:54:36 | |
Website so. | 00:54:46 | |
I guess, I guess your hope is to reach out more publicly in terms of advertising too. | 00:54:50 | |
To promote economic development. | 00:54:57 | |
I think it's it's a shame that you didn't consider the African American. | 00:55:00 | |
Angle in terms of the tourism. | 00:55:07 | |
Tourism aspects there, I've been making up the number but it's it's quite a high figure in terms of the dollars, tourism dollars | 00:55:11 | |
from the. | 00:55:16 | |
The African American community. | 00:55:22 | |
Another thing is Yelp Yelp has been around for. | 00:55:25 | |
Over 2 decades now and being a OG elite yelper. | 00:55:31 | |
They have a quite a quite a lot of consumer power. | 00:55:38 | |
So that's something. | 00:55:41 | |
To look at, we have a pretty robust Yelp community. | 00:55:43 | |
So where to add that? | 00:55:48 | |
Thank you. | 00:55:50 | |
Any further comment from the? | 00:55:53 | |
Seeing none. | 00:55:57 | |
OK, let's go ahead and. | 00:55:57 | |
Open it up for any commissioner comments. | 00:56:00 | |
Thoughts. Discussion. | 00:56:02 | |
Yeah. | 00:56:08 | |
First thought is just that, see Monterey is our marketing muscle locally and we spend a lot of money with them. So I think the | 00:56:10 | |
first thing would they've got fabulous staff over there, they are like. | 00:56:17 | |
Very staffed up in contrast to what we, you know, our situation here so. | 00:56:24 | |
I I honestly believe that if we wrote some content or if we requested them to write some content, they would. | 00:56:31 | |
Really put together something nice and they would. They have a huge number of. | 00:56:38 | |
You know, hits. | 00:56:44 | |
On the on the Internet there are top tier website and not only that they are embedded with a visit California which is an even, | 00:56:46 | |
you know, more massive. | 00:56:51 | |
Marketing arms, So I. | 00:56:56 | |
Don't know the answer, but I think that might be a good direction. | 00:57:00 | |
So I don't know if it's like another subcommittee idea and put something together and go in that direction or how one would go | 00:57:04 | |
about doing that, but I feel to to use the resources that we're paying for already would be a good place to start. | 00:57:11 | |
Yeah. | 00:57:17 | |
So I just the comment that's a great comment and in the next agenda item. | 00:57:18 | |
You know the question really is who are the stakeholders or strategic partners for Pacific, but obviously see Monterey is one of | 00:57:23 | |
them. So if there's if there was a subcommittee looking at stakeholders or partners that obviously would be one of the first | 00:57:27 | |
places to go get feedback what is featured. | 00:57:32 | |
Why are not some of these things feature? What is the screen or what are the criteria for featuring something? I've been there. I | 00:57:36 | |
haven't been there recently. | 00:57:39 | |
Last time I went some of the. | 00:57:43 | |
Better restaurants in town Where? | 00:57:45 | |
Listed, right. So I don't know what the criteria is, but that's a really good point. Thank you. | 00:57:47 | |
Yeah. | 00:57:54 | |
Thank you. So I was also a little confused as to what we were talking about in this. I did my own searches as well on multiple | 00:57:55 | |
different days at different times of the day and I'll tell you they rotate. So these. | 00:58:03 | |
They they look at your own data on your own computer or your own phone and throw you things that will be appealing to you. I also | 00:58:12 | |
was wondering what list you were looking at cause they have multiple lists they have like top restaurants, they have top parks, | 00:58:18 | |
they have top things to do. So I was wondering which list you actually pulled? | 00:58:24 | |
To find these because. | 00:58:31 | |
I found all of the ones that you have listed the why nots on lists and sometimes they were in the top 10. | 00:58:33 | |
So I think it depends on when you're looking whose computer you're using. There's so many different algorithms, algorithms that | 00:58:41 | |
I'm sure our marketing expert would understand a little bit more than even I do. But that is part of this formula that you're | 00:58:48 | |
getting as your top seven. I didn't see top ranking locations in Pacific Grove as a. | 00:58:56 | |
As a category, so I wasn't sure where it came from. | 00:59:04 | |
So I had a hard time responding to it, but I do have a lot of comments about it there. We have all of these other locations that | 00:59:08 | |
are popping up as well. | 00:59:12 | |
Umm. | 00:59:16 | |
TripAdvisor is just one of many different consumer platforms, as Miss Mark said as well. So is the question, are we not? | 00:59:17 | |
Playing to our strengths in our marketing, if that's the question, then yes, I believe a subcommittee to talk about that. The | 00:59:26 | |
chamber is also part of it. The HID, the BID, the EDC, the. | 00:59:32 | |
MCB sorry, C Monterey, there's so many different entities that are doing this kind of work, But my question was, what is the | 00:59:38 | |
question we're being asked tonight? | 00:59:42 | |
Thanks. | 00:59:47 | |
No, it was. | 00:59:53 | |
It was, I think, to just get people thinking right because the next. | 00:59:54 | |
The next question is Will, what are the assets? Who do we go talk to? What are the readings? | 00:59:58 | |
How come there are different if you go to one place and they're not consistent with TripAdvisor or Yelp? | 01:00:03 | |
I think. | 01:00:08 | |
If if there is a subcommittee and again we don't want to get ahead of our agenda item, I think that's just something to be aware | 01:00:09 | |
of. I I put it out here because I thought it was interesting. These are sites that everybody goes to. | 01:00:14 | |
We don't necessarily all agree in terms of you know, these are our favorite or not. So I'm just. | 01:00:20 | |
Is a psychologist. I'm just throwing it out there and getting people's brain wrapped around, you know, where are the kind of | 01:00:25 | |
favorite places that we like to go? And then we may end up with a sub Kitty committee and this will be one of the things that | 01:00:30 | |
they're actually going to look at. I don't like the word assets, but I like treasures. | 01:00:35 | |
So, so the question to Commissioner McMurdo was I just typed in the TripAdvisor most frequently. I don't remember saying my | 01:00:41 | |
question was visited sites in Pacific Grove, something like that. It was a Google search. | 01:00:47 | |
And then I lose your TripAdvisor. So that's how it came up and it's not scientific by any way, means reform if you the algorithm | 01:00:53 | |
may identify. I did it about four times the same. | 01:00:59 | |
Top seven popped up. | 01:01:04 | |
So for example, lovers point popped up in three different places for example. | 01:01:06 | |
And each one was 300 to 500 hits, so I simply combined them to get #1 so. | 01:01:10 | |
I did a little statistical analysis and and how I came up with it, John Denver was not nearly, I mean there's maybe 30 or 40 | 01:01:15 | |
compared to hundreds of lovers point. | 01:01:20 | |
But it still was in the top ten. The question is why? | 01:01:24 | |
What's driving the algorithm? Are we, Are we? | 01:01:27 | |
Advertising the right things? Are we using the right wording? And Sea Monterey, are we using the kind of words that are targeted? | 01:01:29 | |
You know, people come out on on on Instagram, you see them all the time. They take pictures of the. | 01:01:35 | |
The butterflies, they take picture of some of the murals and then they post them. I don't know what they post them under. | 01:01:39 | |
Right. So we don't know what that is and I think that would be good. | 01:01:44 | |
The younger population uses Instagram. That and and and and Pinterest. That's where stuff gets posted all the time. | 01:01:47 | |
So I was just simply looking at, you know, what other people thought and. | 01:01:53 | |
I agree with with Miss Markets. You know, we should be looking at developing this subcommittee. May want to go look at other. | 01:01:58 | |
Algorithms and other sites. Thank you. | 01:02:04 | |
Further comment. | 01:02:08 | |
Tradition. | 01:02:10 | |
Just ask someone that. | 01:02:12 | |
Has been trying to figure out algorithms on Instagram for five years. You can't beat an algorithm, you can't win. It's just an | 01:02:13 | |
ever evolving thing that. | 01:02:18 | |
It will. It will. | 01:02:23 | |
Evolve. By the time you figure it out, it already evolved to something else. So it's nothing that we can necessarily do to change | 01:02:24 | |
what's popping up because. | 01:02:28 | |
Like like Miss McMurdo said, it's like it's different for every single person. Everyone can Google that in this room and it's | 01:02:32 | |
going to come up something different, so. | 01:02:36 | |
It's not something under our control and and probably the more you try to control it, the less you're going to win just because. | 01:02:39 | |
Like you said, like people come here, take pictures and post it on the Internet. | 01:02:46 | |
It doesn't even have to be tagged for the Internet to know what it is, so it's like. | 01:02:50 | |
Million people are going to be visiting Lovers Point because it's just such a beautiful place and. | 01:02:55 | |
Nature is probably always going to win that one too, so. | 01:03:00 | |
And we can't control what everyone likes to even like, you know, worldwide people are going to. | 01:03:04 | |
Umm. | 01:03:09 | |
Do what they do and post what they post. And we can't figure out what's coming next because we don't know every what's going on in | 01:03:09 | |
everyone's brains and on their computers. So I just want to. | 01:03:14 | |
Say. | 01:03:19 | |
Unfortunately, it's a losing battle on this one because that's just how the algorithms work. But. | 01:03:20 | |
It it's a good conversation piece, but yeah, I don't think there's anything to. | 01:03:24 | |
Move forward with except for like our strategic planning stuff that we want to do moving forward with the DC, it's definitely | 01:03:28 | |
going to be part of the conversation so. | 01:03:32 | |
Commissioner Hoops. | 01:03:37 | |
Yeah, I I appreciate. | 01:03:39 | |
The sentiment uh, Commissioner Gibbs, I think it's really good to just be always have this kind of in front of mind. I think that | 01:03:40 | |
it's like. | 01:03:44 | |
What we're talking about here is sort of like concentric circles, right? So like. | 01:03:49 | |
To Commissioner Jacob's point, it's sort of like. | 01:03:53 | |
We let see Monterey and the and the larger organizations that have more muscle kind of handle. | 01:03:56 | |
Getting people here, this Commission is sort of like, what do we do with them? | 01:04:00 | |
When they're here and like, how do we kind of? | 01:04:05 | |
Increase some revenue for our local businesses and things like this and like. | 01:04:07 | |
I I don't know that there's much that we can do to. | 01:04:11 | |
Attract more visitors. I think that's sort of an. | 01:04:14 | |
The wider circle, we're sort of the smallest circle on the bullseye, right? So it's kind of like we need to make sure that there's | 01:04:18 | |
something that. | 01:04:21 | |
Keeps people here that that they enjoy it and come back that our local businesses are strong things like this, but I don't know | 01:04:25 | |
that we can really. | 01:04:29 | |
Fight the algorithm Or or, you know, make people. | 01:04:34 | |
Come to downtown versus the John Denver Memorial. I don't, I don't know how we would steer that ship. | 01:04:39 | |
I think that the, the issue here is what we talk about all the time is, is strategic planning, what do we do, how do we increase | 01:04:44 | |
revenue and things like that. So I think it's great sentiment to have as like an overarching plan, but I don't know that there's | 01:04:49 | |
much that we can do to affect trip advisors results. | 01:04:54 | |
Marquis. | 01:05:01 | |
Yeah, I'm gonna agree with the Commission. Now they're in on that. | 01:05:02 | |
You know as as a long time resident here I'm trying to take a look we all these pictures and we see them TripAdvisor bringing | 01:05:07 | |
people in and again I'm going with as a resident and. | 01:05:12 | |
I have kind of a different view. I have a lot of favorite things around here and. | 01:05:17 | |
On the bottom line, when you think about it, that's really unimportant. | 01:05:22 | |
It's really unimportant. | 01:05:25 | |
That these are here and how many people like them. | 01:05:27 | |
It's like. | 01:05:30 | |
We're trying to figure out what we can do to improve the economy here. | 01:05:31 | |
We already have these beautiful and pretty points. We already have these pretty places to go. | 01:05:36 | |
I'd really like to see us the strategic plan to go on to that. | 01:05:41 | |
The pretty pictures are nice. | 01:05:45 | |
Aaron's idea? This is the sort of stuff we want to move forward with. | 01:05:46 | |
And. | 01:05:50 | |
And there's one other thing I have to mention, and I don't know if you know it. | 01:05:52 | |
1903. | 01:05:56 | |
You know what happened in 1903? | 01:05:58 | |
The first Carnegie Library opened in California. It was in Pacific Grove and, you know, cut the ribbon. | 01:06:00 | |
Andrew Carnegie. | 01:06:07 | |
I wrote a story on this for Coast Weekly about 20 years ago and I did a lot of research on it and I thank you for mentioning me | 01:06:09 | |
that. | 01:06:13 | |
Because that is a true treasure here. | 01:06:17 | |
Nobody knows about. | 01:06:20 | |
So. | 01:06:21 | |
Thank you. | 01:06:22 | |
For your. | 01:06:28 | |
You know, I think in terms of marketing to visitors, Commissioner Gibbs, we already have a great group that does that for us and | 01:06:31 | |
I'm not going to second guess what they're doing. | 01:06:35 | |
In terms of Sea Monterey, we're paying them money. | 01:06:40 | |
You're right, we need to know what the stakeholder who the stakeholders are. But. | 01:06:43 | |
I'm not going to go there and talk about marketing to visitors and even in the strategic plan, I just don't think that's. | 01:06:47 | |
Time well spent when we have specialists who have been doing this professionally for a long time. | 01:06:54 | |
I'm not that person. | 01:06:58 | |
Thank you. | 01:07:07 | |
Yeah, I think it was a good discussion. Thank you. I, you know obviously most of the panel here knows more about the technology | 01:07:08 | |
and the algorithms that I could possibly even know. So for me it was a valuable information to have and. | 01:07:14 | |
I think I I confess what I'd like to do. Just. | 01:07:20 | |
Kind of get some ideas out there and and have a place to start. Thank you. Yeah, absolutely. And it's a great way to tee up the | 01:07:22 | |
next. | 01:07:25 | |
Agenda item as well, and I know that that was your intention. | 01:07:29 | |
It it brings us back to. | 01:07:33 | |
The conversation that we've had over. | 01:07:37 | |
Putting together. | 01:07:39 | |
A larger strategic plan? | 01:07:40 | |
And update from the subcommittee, that being. | 01:07:43 | |
Vice Chair Jacobs, Commissioner Gibbs, and myself. | 01:07:48 | |
Over next steps on how we approach this and so I believe. | 01:07:52 | |
Commissioner Jacobs had had walked through in the last. | 01:07:57 | |
EDC meeting. | 01:08:02 | |
A brief update. | 01:08:03 | |
Of next steps and where we're at. And there was some discussion I I was not present for that. | 01:08:04 | |
But I wanted to bring that back. | 01:08:09 | |
To the group. | 01:08:11 | |
And discuss the. | 01:08:12 | |
Opportunity to move forward with. | 01:08:14 | |
A subcommittee. | 01:08:17 | |
To take the first steps in piercing together. | 01:08:19 | |
Parts of the strategic plan. | 01:08:23 | |
Umm. | 01:08:25 | |
So just a a brief overview again of what we're talking about starting off with the plan itself we've done. | 01:08:26 | |
Sorry, point of order. Didn't we pull this item 9A? | 01:08:35 | |
No. | 01:08:38 | |
We pulled 9A, but not now. | 01:08:39 | |
So staffing is a. | 01:08:43 | |
Eight or nine and. | 01:08:45 | |
OK. | 01:08:47 | |
Sorry you didn't know. Good question. That's odd. | 01:08:48 | |
Yeah, I'm not sure why it's a. It should be 10. | 01:08:51 | |
So just just to provide an overview for everyone, we. | 01:08:58 | |
Previously formed a subcommittee, the subcommittee met to discuss a variety of different approaches to putting together a | 01:09:02 | |
strategic plan. | 01:09:05 | |
And to discuss whether not that was something that would be viable for members of the EDC to put together. | 01:09:09 | |
And how we might approach doing it? | 01:09:16 | |
That subcommittee looked at a number of different believe it or not, there are frameworks out there that have been created. | 01:09:19 | |
That literally have a road map to how to create a strategic plan line by line. | 01:09:26 | |
And we'll actually walk a. | 01:09:31 | |
An organization through that process. | 01:09:33 | |
So we did review a collection of different options, and where we landed was in fact the. | 01:09:36 | |
Framework that Vice Chair Jacobs had proposed initially, which was? | 01:09:42 | |
The framework by. | 01:09:47 | |
The. | 01:09:49 | |
The City of of British Columbia and. | 01:09:53 | |
A plan that they had put together and the framework that they used specifically for economic development. | 01:09:56 | |
And how best to build a strategic plan around that we then sat down with. | 01:10:02 | |
City staff and chatted more about how we might go about doing this in a way where we can include as many. | 01:10:08 | |
EC Members as possible within the limitations of these subcommittees and the number of. | 01:10:15 | |
Of Commissioners that can be present at any one meeting. | 01:10:20 | |
And we also had a meeting with. | 01:10:23 | |
A few members of council. | 01:10:25 | |
In order to just discuss how that would be received. | 01:10:28 | |
In terms of. | 01:10:31 | |
If we do this, will you? | 01:10:33 | |
Find it interesting and considerate and so we got some good feedback from council members that. | 01:10:36 | |
It could be something that. | 01:10:43 | |
Would be. | 01:10:45 | |
Useful and that would be well received in terms of direction and guidance. | 01:10:46 | |
So we determined that this is something that we would recommend as a substantially moving forward with. | 01:10:51 | |
In order to do so, we will need to. | 01:10:58 | |
Select. | 01:11:01 | |
Umm. | 01:11:03 | |
Individuals from the EDC. | 01:11:04 | |
For each part of. | 01:11:07 | |
The. | 01:11:08 | |
Deliverables that are compartmentalized in. | 01:11:10 | |
The binder that you all have, I believe you all have a copy of the binder that Commissioner Jacobs had printed. | 01:11:14 | |
And the steps that are outlined there. | 01:11:20 | |
The 1st 2 steps. | 01:11:23 | |
In the framework. | 01:11:26 | |
Are defined as the gathering of information. | 01:11:28 | |
Basic statistics. | 01:11:32 | |
And a assessment of inventory. | 01:11:34 | |
And in fact, actually I I think that that's. | 01:11:38 | |
Where Commissioner Gibbs was intending on informing us of a few of the items of inventory that we might consider for the city of | 01:11:42 | |
Pacific growth. | 01:11:45 | |
But what we need to do next is determine. | 01:11:50 | |
Who might be interested in taking up the 1st 2 deliverables and? | 01:11:54 | |
Creating a subcommittee then to go through the steps of gathering some of this information. | 01:12:00 | |
We've also included as part of this. | 01:12:06 | |
An attachment that is a report. | 01:12:08 | |
That. | 01:12:11 | |
Councilman. | 01:12:14 | |
Coletti provided us with It's the LEAP report that has a. | 01:12:16 | |
Outline of information from 2016. | 01:12:21 | |
That includes an assessment of potential strategies. | 01:12:29 | |
For. | 01:12:33 | |
Economic development. | 01:12:35 | |
So there's a lot of good information in here. | 01:12:37 | |
There's also a collection of good information in a. | 01:12:39 | |
Variety of other documents that have already been gathered. | 01:12:43 | |
So that would be a subcommittee. | 01:12:46 | |
Responsibility to go through and and sort through some of that. | 01:12:48 | |
Data that's already. | 01:12:52 | |
Available. | 01:12:54 | |
And then bring that back. | 01:12:55 | |
To present. | 01:12:57 | |
As. | 01:12:59 | |
The first stage. | 01:13:00 | |
As we start to piece together this, this strategic plan. | 01:13:01 | |
So that's really that's kind of the overview of of what we would. | 01:13:06 | |
Would ask of all of you to participate. I I hope that this is something that you're interested in in doing. | 01:13:09 | |
It's not a small task. We estimate that this is something that will likely take. | 01:13:16 | |
A number of months, potentially even a year to do. | 01:13:21 | |
I hope that we're able to have a member of city staff that is assigned to this as well so that we can. | 01:13:25 | |
Work directly with the city as we go through this process. | 01:13:32 | |
But it's. | 01:13:36 | |
Something that we feel is important enough that we'd like to. | 01:13:38 | |
Move forward with at least the first step of this. | 01:13:41 | |
So with that. | 01:13:47 | |
At first I'll start with opening it up for public comment, but then I'd like to come back and see if. | 01:13:48 | |
I can hear any thoughts. | 01:13:54 | |
And. | 01:13:56 | |
If we can put together that first subcommittee to put these pieces together. | 01:13:58 | |
So it's in any public comment on? | 01:14:02 | |
The strategic plan. | 01:14:05 | |
Seeing none. | 01:14:11 | |
Fantastic. So let's go ahead and Ohh, we actually just said. | 01:14:12 | |
Angela Rensen Dahmer. | 01:14:15 | |
OK. And do you have the floor? | 01:14:17 | |
I'm sorry, it's just that I couldn't hear half of what chair Upman was saying. Either he wasn't close enough to the microphone or | 01:14:20 | |
non directional so. | 01:14:25 | |
It was very difficult to hear. Thank you. | 01:14:32 | |
My apologies. I'll try to speak into the microphone. I apologize. | 01:14:35 | |
OK. So with that, we will open up the discussion for commissioners and any initial questions on what was discussed at the last | 01:14:42 | |
meeting on this strategic plan and how we would move forward in assigning A subcommittee to. | 01:14:49 | |
Deliver on the first two items that are components outlined in. | 01:14:57 | |
The framework that's been provided, Commissioner. | 01:15:03 | |
Markowitz. | 01:15:06 | |
Yeah. Thank you very much. | 01:15:07 | |
Commissioner, apply for. | 01:15:10 | |
Bringing this back. | 01:15:11 | |
I was looking through it before, It's very very interesting. | 01:15:13 | |
My issue with this. | 01:15:16 | |
We're not going to have another CDC meeting till December. | 01:15:18 | |
And already we have what 3 subcommittees assigned to we've just we've. | 01:15:21 | |
We've become a Commission of subcommittees. | 01:15:26 | |
And you say yeah, it might take you. | 01:15:29 | |
I have no idea. | 01:15:32 | |
Going through here. | 01:15:33 | |
You know, I know we want to form a subcommittee. | 01:15:35 | |
But I have no idea what a subcommittee is going to do on this. And the other thing that you mentioned about this was, yeah, | 01:15:37 | |
working with STEP. We have no staff. | 01:15:41 | |
How? How can we? This is something. How can we move forward? We can talk Simon, ourselves and all these subcommittee meetings all | 01:15:46 | |
we want to. | 01:15:50 | |
And this is what we should do, But where is it going to go? | 01:15:54 | |
I mean already no, no more meetings till December because there's no staff to assist us and we keep assigning subcommittees to do | 01:15:58 | |
this. | 01:16:01 | |
I don't know the solution but I'm just bringing it up that. | 01:16:06 | |
I certainly would be very happy to serve in one of these things. | 01:16:09 | |
But once again, have no idea what we're doing. | 01:16:13 | |
And this is something that's got to come from staff. We can read through all this, we can make assessments and then we're going to | 01:16:16 | |
need to go to city staff to talk about, but there's no city staff to help us. | 01:16:21 | |
We're flailing. | 01:16:27 | |
And I I'm just starting to say that's just my opinion. Thank you. | 01:16:28 | |
For me, I was reading that 2016 Leap report and I noticed it's all the exact same things we're having problems with now. | 01:16:33 | |
Or something. They just like they suggested, like parklets, they're great they're talking about. | 01:16:41 | |
The. | 01:16:47 | |
Concert series, They're great. We should do them. And then they're talking about how the problem is. | 01:16:49 | |
There's no nightlife and it's dead downtown. Same. And then they're talking about how the the lack of staff is the problem. | 01:16:54 | |
And it's like that was almost eight years ago. Like, what is the point of us even trying to do anything when there's? | 01:17:03 | |
The same problems we're having eight years ago, of course we're not going to get anything done. | 01:17:08 | |
So maybe. | 01:17:12 | |
Part our first strategy for our plan is to make. | 01:17:14 | |
The city have staff. I don't know what that is, how that looks, but that should be before we can even get to this entire toolkit | 01:17:18 | |
we need to. | 01:17:23 | |
Have staff and. | 01:17:27 | |
Because there's no point. I feel like we're just gonna be so. | 01:17:29 | |
Exhausted from just having these same conversations about not having staff that maybe that's our entire conversation right now. | 01:17:32 | |
Like not in this agenda item, but I mean, just. | 01:17:36 | |
Like for the strategic planning, we can't start it until we have confidence that anyone's going to. | 01:17:40 | |
Listen to us and have answers and blah blah blah so. | 01:17:47 | |
That's my point. | 01:17:51 | |
So. | 01:17:53 | |
I I have one comment on that because I share a similar concern but perhaps a bit different, which is that one one concern that I | 01:17:53 | |
voiced to. | 01:17:59 | |
Or council members, but also to, you know, the subcommittee was that as we pieced this. | 01:18:05 | |
Strategic plan to together we are on the cusp of having a new. | 01:18:11 | |
City manager appointed. | 01:18:15 | |
And I think that it's important to understand. | 01:18:17 | |
If we're going to put the effort into putting something like this together. | 01:18:21 | |
How that will be received by the new city manager and to also include them in that conversation because it is a lot of work. | 01:18:25 | |
And. | 01:18:32 | |
You know, I'd hate to. | 01:18:33 | |
Bring forward a strategic plan that is. | 01:18:35 | |
Not well received by whoever is appointed. | 01:18:38 | |
So there are definitely some valid concerns there. | 01:18:41 | |
I do also see value in having. | 01:18:45 | |
A plan that we're able to bring forward to council because. | 01:18:48 | |
You know the, the. | 01:18:53 | |
Initial beat. The reason for doing this was the fact that. | 01:18:55 | |
You know, the the Council's goals that have been outlined do not specifically. | 01:19:00 | |
Call for. | 01:19:06 | |
Any movement with economic development that economic development within the City of Pacific Grove has been established as. | 01:19:08 | |
You know, moving forward and so they didn't identify it as being a a specific goal. | 01:19:14 | |
Of theirs. | 01:19:20 | |
So. | 01:19:22 | |
That is, that is challenging. | 01:19:23 | |
Commissioner Gibbs. | 01:19:26 | |
Sorry, did you have your hand raised? I thought you did. Yeah. I was just seeing if anybody else had to come. | 01:19:29 | |
I know there's a lot of frustration. | 01:19:34 | |
The city is going through a lot of change. | 01:19:37 | |
And to be frank with you. | 01:19:39 | |
I don't think we've even seen scratch the surface on some of the disruption that's going to be going on. | 01:19:41 | |
In the next few months. | 01:19:46 | |
For me, you can all decide and decide what your pleasure is, but I'm on this Commission. | 01:19:48 | |
I'm going to work. | 01:19:54 | |
I'm going to volunteer. | 01:19:55 | |
And for me, it's not a good reason to stop. Because you know what? | 01:19:57 | |
Six months from now, there'll be another disruption, right? | 01:20:00 | |
So if you look at the LEAP report. | 01:20:03 | |
And. | 01:20:06 | |
Commissioner pointed this out, and there isn't too much different by the way. | 01:20:07 | |
Commissioner Hoops is listed on the page as being one of the people. That's who Ray interviewed in this. | 01:20:11 | |
Right. And but the thing of it is, is that. | 01:20:17 | |
Some of the work has been done. | 01:20:21 | |
There were some things that were really interesting that were never implemented. My question would be having worked in businesses | 01:20:23 | |
in large organizations. | 01:20:26 | |
I can tell you they're bureaucratic. | 01:20:30 | |
And you know, and I was on the same darn committee over the past 10 years, exactly the same thing. But we always looked at it and | 01:20:32 | |
said let's start with where we are. | 01:20:36 | |
And go where we need to. You know where we need to be. | 01:20:40 | |
And so this LEAP report was actually assisted by an outside organization. It's a state. | 01:20:43 | |
Volunteer organization? They didn't. | 01:20:49 | |
They didn't pay much. They, I think they put them up in a hotel and you know they they did this over three or four days basically | 01:20:51 | |
maybe a week or two. | 01:20:54 | |
I visited a couple of other cities that have done similar things in In the Middle of Disruption. | 01:20:59 | |
And the American Planning Association is another outside organization. | 01:21:04 | |
And sometimes it's hard to get. | 01:21:08 | |
But they'll give you a grant and they'll come in and help you do the same thing. So absent staff. | 01:21:10 | |
Right, Which we're always going to be absent. | 01:21:16 | |
My feeling is for the next. | 01:21:18 | |
12 to 18 months. | 01:21:20 | |
The question is, could we find other resources? And again, that's something I'd be willing to work on to bring back to the. | 01:21:21 | |
The EDC. | 01:21:28 | |
And say, you know, here's two or three organizations and maybe we invite them in or have a zoom call with them and. | 01:21:29 | |
And see if they can help us out. I'm not willing to Chuck this and put it in the garage for another. | 01:21:35 | |
Year, I think. | 01:21:40 | |
As. | 01:21:41 | |
Vice Chair Jacob said this is a tough year if you're in business. | 01:21:43 | |
You walk around town, we're not. We're maybe doing 7050 to 70%. | 01:21:47 | |
As a business owner that you were doing last year. | 01:21:51 | |
They're looking to us right if we just sit here and say ohh. | 01:21:53 | |
You know, we don't have staff. | 01:21:57 | |
Right. If I own a business in town, that doesn't fly. | 01:21:59 | |
I don't. You know I don't. | 01:22:02 | |
That's great, but then what are you guys doing? | 01:22:03 | |
So I I would be, you know, willing to come back or maybe the subcommittee is finding an outside resource. | 01:22:06 | |
And and I think at least once. | 01:22:11 | |
You know, Chair Upman, I think at least once subcommittee. | 01:22:14 | |
You have a good start on the statistics you you know where to go, and maybe the first one is just basic information. Where are we? | 01:22:17 | |
What has changed? What is different? | 01:22:21 | |
And we come back with a report on that. | 01:22:25 | |
And you can roll in item number three, which is summary of key facts you could do, you know, sort of one and three. | 01:22:28 | |
And and bring back some data. My gosh, we got two. Apparently we're going to have two months to figure this out. | 01:22:34 | |
We ought to be able to come back with something. | 01:22:39 | |
And I'm pretty sure there are people in town. | 01:22:41 | |
That I know that you may know that would be willing to volunteer. We maintain the trails. We maintain the lighthouse. | 01:22:44 | |
Why couldn't we have a group of people who are Economic Development committee Commission advisors? | 01:22:51 | |
Who would sign on? We have in the city. | 01:22:56 | |
A Hoover Fellow. | 01:22:59 | |
He was on one of the presidential economic. | 01:23:00 | |
A commissions for years, smart guy. | 01:23:03 | |
It's hard to get, but I know maybe we could get him, you know, to help us out a little bit. | 01:23:06 | |
So you all know some of the same people. | 01:23:10 | |
Umm. | 01:23:12 | |
I'm just making a personal statement. What's your pleasure? But I'm not. | 01:23:13 | |
I'm not willing to give up on this thing right now. | 01:23:17 | |
Thank you. | 01:23:20 | |
OK, I'm not. I'm not. | 01:23:26 | |
In any way saying that we should give up on this government. | 01:23:28 | |
But Mike, you're suggesting, yeah, we can we continue to work for the next two months, but. | 01:23:31 | |
You're talking about there's a lot of economic people who would be willing to help us. | 01:23:36 | |
Right now, there are seven of us. | 01:23:40 | |
Seven people. The openings to this Commission to work on. | 01:23:43 | |
Economic development in this city. | 01:23:46 | |
I don't see huge lines of people volunteering to come and sit on this. Let's just do this. | 01:23:49 | |
No. When I applied, there were vacancies on this and they were advertised. I was asked by a former City Councilman if I'd be | 01:23:54 | |
willing to volunteer because they couldn't find anybody to fill this. | 01:23:59 | |
So the hope that we can go out and just find all these people who are going to jump up and down and say, yeah, we want to help | 01:24:04 | |
with the economic. | 01:24:08 | |
You're looking at the people who are working on this. That's us. | 01:24:12 | |
We are working on it. As far as I can see, City Council isn't because the money's not there. | 01:24:16 | |
I mean, we're saying it's the same old budget thing. And the only thing that I'm suggesting, right, it's it's yeah, we can perform | 01:24:21 | |
all the city subcommittees we want to and we can get all the findings and we want need more information. We're not going to have | 01:24:27 | |
it. And as you said, it's going to get worse in the next 12 to 18 months. I don't want to see us. | 01:24:32 | |
Spinning in place, I mean, we have. | 01:24:38 | |
Minority grants that haven't been acted on. We have plans for concerts that haven't been acted on. And now it's like, come on, | 01:24:42 | |
there's more that's getting dumped, more subcommittees, more stuff. | 01:24:47 | |
And it's just. | 01:24:52 | |
I'm sorry, I apologize to everybody, but I'm really frustrated because I take a look here and I listen to the comments we're all | 01:24:54 | |
making and they're all valid. Every person here has had really valid comments. | 01:24:59 | |
But I don't see a whole bunch of people out there who are interested in economic development marching in here and saying we have | 01:25:04 | |
ideas. | 01:25:08 | |
Because we're the ones who have the ideas. | 01:25:11 | |
And we can bring in all the experts we want to and they'll tell us, well, this is how we did it in our town. | 01:25:14 | |
Well, here we are the same. | 01:25:19 | |
Six or seven of us sitting up here. | 01:25:21 | |
Forming subcommittees and doing planning that go nowhere. | 01:25:23 | |
So that's it. Thank you. | 01:25:27 | |
We. | 01:25:33 | |
Just reminded that we do have a hard stop because meeting coming up at 6:30, so we we need to look at 6:00 is a hard stop here, | 01:25:33 | |
but I think we're coming to the end. | 01:25:37 | |
Other further comments, Commissioner. | 01:25:43 | |
Yeah. | 01:25:45 | |
I think that like I would like to remind my. | 01:25:47 | |
Fellow commissioners, that the subcommittee idea for this specific idea is that then? | 01:25:50 | |
So that it's not just beating. | 01:25:55 | |
Three people into the ground for the next year on all the work that we do here and also more importantly is that. | 01:25:57 | |
You break out these things into smaller pieces. Subcommittee goes and doesn't brings back a report, then the report is not public | 01:26:04 | |
record. | 01:26:07 | |
So that other people can take it with them so as. | 01:26:11 | |
Seats change, staff changes, whatever. There's continuity in public record for work that can be done. Even if we're all hit by a | 01:26:13 | |
bus tomorrow, someone can pick up the thing and go forward with it. Which is. | 01:26:19 | |
The idea of progress. | 01:26:25 | |
Umm. | 01:26:27 | |
I also like. | 01:26:28 | |
I. | 01:26:30 | |
The one caveat I would add is that I think that like. | 01:26:31 | |
Maybe it would be a good idea not to begin without staff support. So maybe two months from now our next meeting is when we elect | 01:26:34 | |
the the. | 01:26:39 | |
The subcommittee to start on the first couple items, that's my opinion. I don't you know. | 01:26:44 | |
I don't run the bingo, but I would also like to remind my Commissioners that it's a pleasure to serve with all of you, but this is | 01:26:49 | |
an at will Commission. | 01:26:53 | |
And if you want to quit doing things because it is hard. | 01:26:57 | |
I think that that's wrong. We're here because this is hard. We're here because this needs help. You can't just quit because it's | 01:27:01 | |
hard to figure it out. | 01:27:05 | |
And that's not I mean. | 01:27:10 | |
We realize we're drowning. Describing the water doesn't do anything for anybody. So, like, let's do some work. | 01:27:14 | |
And go forward with this project. Thank you. | 01:27:20 | |
Richmond. | 01:27:23 | |
Feel like I'm the one that started everyone thinking that I'm throwing it in the trash. I'm not. That's definitely not where I | 01:27:26 | |
went, where I meant to. | 01:27:29 | |
Say. | 01:27:34 | |
I think what I'm coming up with here, it's like with the staffing issues and all this, it's like we tried to meet. | 01:27:36 | |
Commissioner Venuti and Marquez, we tried to meet for our subcommittee this past month. And because Laurel's only working once a | 01:27:43 | |
month, we couldn't even get enough emails back and forth to figure out a time just because our first one didn't work out and then | 01:27:48 | |
there weren't enough emails to get it in before this meeting. So if we have multiple subcommittees and only one person barely able | 01:27:54 | |
to like. | 01:27:59 | |
Respond and now we have. | 01:28:05 | |
Seven people's different schedules and four different subcommittees. It's like, how can we even get to all these items without the | 01:28:08 | |
proper staffing to be able to schedule it? Because we're not. Our subcommittees aren't able to just talk to ourselves to get us | 01:28:13 | |
scheduled. We can't. We need Laurel to help us with that, so. | 01:28:19 | |
It's a great idea. So yeah, we can start it. But if no one's listening and no one's responding, how can we actually get things | 01:28:25 | |
done? That's more what my issue is, is we need people to actually say, yeah, for sure, I will help you get your subcommittee | 01:28:32 | |
actually scheduled. And don't you worry, it'll be on the next agenda item because you will have met. | 01:28:38 | |
But I don't feel. And it's not Laurel's fault by any means. It's like this is just the. | 01:28:45 | |
Hand, she was dealt with the position and. | 01:28:51 | |
But like the city itself, we need to figure out how to make it so we can actually function how we want to, because our discussion | 01:28:53 | |
is. | 01:28:57 | |
Something that's not even in our control at the moment. And if, if. | 01:29:00 | |
We knew that we had someone. | 01:29:04 | |
Doing the work that. | 01:29:06 | |
It should be like just. | 01:29:08 | |
Assumed to be happening, you know. | 01:29:10 | |
But we wouldn't even have this conversation right now. We would know we can get these subcommittees going so. | 01:29:12 | |
I think that's. I just want to backtrack to the point I'm not throwing in the trash. It's just like I just. | 01:29:17 | |
I foresee. | 01:29:22 | |
Maybe I'm playing devil's advocate. I'm just. I'm just worried. | 01:29:23 | |
That it won't actually happen like how we want it to. | 01:29:26 | |
So. | 01:29:37 | |
In order to keep this moving forward. | 01:29:38 | |
The. | 01:29:41 | |
Motion that I'd like to make is to create a subcommittee. | 01:29:43 | |
The first question will be. | 01:29:49 | |
Do we have and we have a limited number of members that can participate, Just a reminder. | 01:29:50 | |
That we're limited to three. | 01:29:56 | |
But do we have 3 individuals that might be interested in taking on? | 01:29:58 | |
The first. | 01:30:03 | |
Portion of this I also think that it would be wise and Commissioner Gibbs, I don't have an opinion one way on this. | 01:30:04 | |
Or the other. | 01:30:10 | |
But that. | 01:30:11 | |
One of the previous subcommittee members. | 01:30:12 | |
Be present to help provide guidance. | 01:30:16 | |
On this so be it myself. | 01:30:19 | |
Commissioner. | 01:30:21 | |
Jacobs, are you? | 01:30:22 | |
On. | 01:30:23 | |
Walking through this, so there can always be a handoff. | 01:30:24 | |
To whichever group. | 01:30:27 | |
Is. | 01:30:28 | |
Taking on the next step until we're all kind of. | 01:30:29 | |
Familiar and comfortable with this process. The framework that is included here. | 01:30:32 | |
Is incredibly. | 01:30:36 | |
Helpful and descriptive. So it is literally filling in the blanks. | 01:30:38 | |
It's not rocket science, but. | 01:30:43 | |
I want to make sure that we're all feeling like. | 01:30:45 | |
We're not leaving everyone out. | 01:30:48 | |
To dry. | 01:30:49 | |
So do we. I saw Commissioner Richmond, you had your hand up as potentially interested. | 01:30:52 | |
Are you talking about? | 01:30:58 | |
Basic statistics and information. That specific first one. Our recommendation is that we have 3 deliverables. | 01:30:59 | |
For the first subcommittee and those, the deliverables would include the basic statistics. They would include and. | 01:31:07 | |
Inventory of assets. | 01:31:16 | |
And lastly. | 01:31:18 | |
Going through and speaking with stakeholders and partners. | 01:31:21 | |
To identify them so. | 01:31:26 | |
I don't think those would. | 01:31:28 | |
Honestly, like use me to my strength so. | 01:31:30 | |
I wouldn't necessarily. | 01:31:33 | |
Want to be on that subcommittee because I think I could be stronger somewhere else and that that is fine. I think that was our | 01:31:35 | |
intention was that there will be some segments of this that would fit better for some than others. So that's completely fine. | 01:31:42 | |
Commissioner, I I'd be willing to work on the base. | 01:31:50 | |
Basic statistics and information. | 01:31:52 | |
OK. | 01:31:55 | |
And Commissioner Gibbs, remind me, I believe the intention was to have this group together with all three and one semi committee | 01:31:56 | |
correct. That was how we were proposing this. | 01:32:00 | |
Well, I think that's open to, I mean, Commissioner Richmond looked at the list and some things maybe. | 01:32:04 | |
Of interest in some things not we could split it up. You know, subcommittee doesn't have to be 3. I think you can have some | 01:32:09 | |
committee of two. Yeah, I would just say if there's an interest of a couple of people. | 01:32:14 | |
In one of those first three or even 4. | 01:32:19 | |
We picked those off. I I don't think they are necessarily on a critical path onto each other. You could look at stakeholders at | 01:32:22 | |
the same time you're looking at business statistics and information. So I guess I would just see where the pleasure of the | 01:32:27 | |
Commission is and. | 01:32:32 | |
You know, if there's some people interested in a couple of those topics, even if it's one, let's let's get going and. | 01:32:36 | |
And get started, because I think it shows that we're doing something. | 01:32:43 | |
And and then, you know, if I'm sitting on just to be. | 01:32:46 | |
Honest with you if I'm on the City Council. | 01:32:49 | |
And I'm looking down at the CDC and we have a strategic plan, but nothing's happening. | 01:32:51 | |
I'm going to put my time and effort and attention someplace else so and I don't have a problem of going to them or Speaking of | 01:32:57 | |
public comment or or you know, having an agenda item where we go, hey guys, just giving an update, here's where we are and we need | 01:33:01 | |
some help. | 01:33:05 | |
I think we should ask for that. Thank you. | 01:33:10 | |
OK. | 01:33:12 | |
OK. | 01:33:13 | |
I just wanted to raise my hand and say I would be in for that first round as well as a subcommittee member. | 01:33:14 | |
OK. | 01:33:21 | |
Excellent. | 01:33:22 | |
So we have. | 01:33:23 | |
Correct. | 01:33:26 | |
Doing. | 01:33:30 | |
Great. | 01:33:30 | |
Correct. | 01:33:31 | |
Ideally. | 01:33:33 | |
So that we can knock everything out. | 01:33:33 | |
OK. | 01:33:37 | |
And and I just like you just said, I think that this group then could look at the three and say let's prioritize which one are we | 01:33:38 | |
going to do first? You pick it off and I wouldn't do all three at the same time if I was you. So, yeah, just I would ask. | 01:33:44 | |
I just wanted to say you had a motion on the floor. I don't know if you want to continue with that. | 01:33:51 | |
And I and I will, I was going to group in the OK, sorry. Thank you very much. That's you're absolutely right. But I have a | 01:33:56 | |
question for you before I get to that. | 01:33:59 | |
Because Commissioner McMurdo is not a voting member. | 01:34:03 | |
Is she able to participate in the subcommittee without? | 01:34:06 | |
Being counted. | 01:34:11 | |
So. | 01:34:13 | |
As as I believe, as a Member of the Commission, she can. | 01:34:16 | |
Be a subcommittee member if we're if we're limited typically to three. | 01:34:21 | |
Commissioners, for a subcommittee to be able to wondering if you add a fourth would that. | 01:34:25 | |
Be a Brown Act violation since they're not. | 01:34:31 | |
Voting. | 01:34:34 | |
I'd have to look into that. That's a legal question. I can OK. | 01:34:35 | |
So why don't we say maybe? | 01:34:39 | |
For Commissioner McMurdo and then. | 01:34:42 | |
All. | 01:34:44 | |
And. | 01:34:46 | |
Mr. Gibbs. | 01:34:47 | |
It's up to you. Would you like to? | 01:34:48 | |
Take the first round or would you like me to take the first round for? | 01:34:50 | |
The the path of the baton from the previous subcommittee. | 01:34:54 | |
You know, I just. | 01:34:59 | |
I'm available, you know, I'm, I'm a little bit sensitive to the makeup of the team, right? | 01:35:01 | |
And so I guess I would leave it up to everybody else to decide who's in that group. | 01:35:07 | |
And I'm going to just pull that in abeyance because. | 01:35:12 | |
I just feel like I have to. | 01:35:17 | |
Not vote on that, but I would, I'd be willing to do it, yes. | 01:35:19 | |
OK. All right. Well. | 01:35:21 | |
Just to keep things moving along and in the interest of time, why don't I just go ahead and say I will? | 01:35:24 | |
Insert myself. | 01:35:28 | |
We'll have Commissioner Venuti. | 01:35:30 | |
Commissioner Markowitz and hopefully Commissioner McMurdo. | 01:35:33 | |
To join us for that first subcommittee, can I suggest maybe I'm an alternate, depending on what the answer is that we get from. | 01:35:37 | |
OK, perfect. OK, so that is my motion. I'm making a motion to form a subcommittee on the strategic plan. | 01:35:44 | |
With those members previously stated. | 01:35:52 | |
Get a second then I'll comment. | 01:35:56 | |
Seconded. | 01:35:59 | |
OK. | 01:36:00 | |
Good comma. | 01:36:02 | |
And are we going to include members of the community? | 01:36:04 | |
In any of this process. | 01:36:07 | |
The process would include going to members of the community, absolutely. | 01:36:08 | |
So are we asking? | 01:36:12 | |
Members of the community to sit on these various subcommittees. | 01:36:14 | |
We're not. | 01:36:18 | |
We can't. | 01:36:21 | |
That would be a legal question. I'm not entirely sure we'll have to ask city staff on that one. | 01:36:23 | |
I think you can, you know, say we're having a subcommittee meeting and invite people. I mean, it technically would have to be. | 01:36:28 | |
The public anyway so ohh I see OK. | 01:36:32 | |
You know. | 01:36:36 | |
I see Council member Coletti raised his hand. | 01:36:38 | |
Let's go ahead and. | 01:36:42 | |
Close out this vote that's on the floor right now and then I'll address him. | 01:36:44 | |
We have a second. | 01:36:48 | |
So can we take a vote? | 01:36:49 | |
Yes. | 01:36:51 | |
Chairman. | 01:36:53 | |
Aye. | 01:36:55 | |
Commissioner Hoops. | 01:36:56 | |
Commissioner Richmond. | 01:36:58 | |
Aye. | 01:36:59 | |
Markowitz. | 01:37:01 | |
Commissioner Gibbs. | 01:37:03 | |
Yes. | 01:37:05 | |
Commissioner Venuti, yes. | 01:37:06 | |
We have six eyes. | 01:37:08 | |
0 nays and one absent the motion to create a subcommittee. | 01:37:10 | |
Passes. | 01:37:14 | |
Congratulations, we have another subcommittee. | 01:37:15 | |
OK. | 01:37:17 | |
Council member Coletti. | 01:37:20 | |
Thank you chair. This has come up a few times and other BCC's. | 01:37:21 | |
Only members of the given body can serve on the subcommittee. | 01:37:27 | |
And that by definition subcommittee means. | 01:37:31 | |
A subset of the actual committee or Commission. | 01:37:35 | |
So hope that helps. | 01:37:38 | |
Thank you and and sorry just as a follow up there as a point of clarity that is in regards to including members of the public. | 01:37:40 | |
Absolutely. Now the subcommittee can is free to contact and interview and get information from anyone they with, but. | 01:37:46 | |
The actual member. | 01:37:56 | |
Of the committee. | 01:37:57 | |
The subcommittee have to be members of the. | 01:37:58 | |
Thank you very much for that guidance. | 01:38:03 | |
Is Jenny County. | 01:38:06 | |
That's that's a secondary question. So we'll we'll have to follow up on that. | 01:38:09 | |
Yeah. Thank you. OK. | 01:38:12 | |
Alright, great. So that. | 01:38:14 | |
That takes us then. | 01:38:16 | |
To any ongoing business. | 01:38:20 | |
Or good of the order. This is our opportunity to bring up any other items that we'd like to suggest or recommend for future agenda | 01:38:22 | |
items. Does anyone present have any recommendations for future agenda items? | 01:38:28 | |
Communication with City Council. | 01:38:35 | |
OK, as an agenda item for discussion. | 01:38:38 | |
How do we address it? | 01:38:40 | |
OK. | 01:38:42 | |
Yeah. | 01:38:44 | |
OK. You know the, I I think I heard the discussion about the budget. | 01:38:46 | |
And I realize we're on a sort of in the middle of the budget cycle, however. | 01:38:50 | |
It's not too early to begin raising issues and coming up with the. | 01:38:54 | |
Items for next year so. | 01:38:59 | |
And that would need to go to City Council well before. | 01:39:01 | |
You know, we're ready to create the new. | 01:39:04 | |
Budget officially. So I would put that on the agenda. Some discussion on the budget. What items but big items? Music, you know? | 01:39:06 | |
This, that, and the other and just have a discussion about what that would be and and start making a list. | 01:39:14 | |
And and I wouldn't for me, as part of that agenda item, it's not like we're going to take it to the City Council and say, would | 01:39:19 | |
you please bless us? | 01:39:23 | |
To me is we keep them informed and get their input along the way. So maybe we make a couple of pitches to them. | 01:39:27 | |
As the DC and get their input on you know where they are with the budget and where are we not so and I also was not aware. | 01:39:33 | |
That the minority grants had not actually been allocated, I was not aware that that had. | 01:39:40 | |
That the money had gone away. It's currently sitting in the hands of city staff as to how it will be funded. | 01:39:47 | |
So. | 01:39:53 | |
Yeah. | 01:39:55 | |
That's that's with the handoff has been made. | 01:39:56 | |
OK. So that brings us to the next meeting, which? | 01:39:59 | |
Ohh, I'm so sorry, Commissioner Richmond. | 01:40:03 | |
Well, Speaking of what? | 01:40:05 | |
Commissioner Gates just brought up, can we have some sort of dialogue, like can we get some sort of response from the City Council | 01:40:07 | |
about specifically the grant? | 01:40:11 | |
And the money and like. | 01:40:16 | |
Is there a way to like just get something from them about what their plan is? Because right now it seems like there's zero plan | 01:40:18 | |
because they haven't looked at it. | 01:40:22 | |
So is there. | 01:40:25 | |
Some sort of dialogue we can get from them. | 01:40:27 | |
Let me follow up with our staff contacts and. | 01:40:32 | |
Ask for guidance on how they like to approach that. | 01:40:36 | |
OK. | 01:40:38 | |
OK. | 01:40:39 | |
So you're looking at the date, so your dates it looks like December 7th. | 01:40:39 | |
Is a Thursday. | 01:40:44 | |
First first, yeah. | 01:40:46 | |
1st Thursday in December will be our next EDC meetings. May I? Just sorry for interrupting, Commissioner. | 01:40:47 | |
I think I heard council member Panduri. | 01:40:54 | |
Suggest that maybe he would look into this. I would. I would put aside a provisional. | 01:40:58 | |
A time for November and just you know that that may or may not happen. I wouldn't want to not allocate it at this point. | 01:41:03 | |
And give him a chance or other people a chance to see if we can't work this out with staff. Agreed, OK. | 01:41:10 | |
Yeah so until further notice, the 7th is. | 01:41:15 | |
Almost a certainty, but we'll hope to have a November meeting as well. | 01:41:20 | |
OK. | 01:41:24 | |
Thank you very much. It is 541 and we are adjourn. | 01:41:24 |