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Welcome to the Traffic Safety Commission meeting Tuesday, August 27th. We have a roll call please. | 00:00:00 | |
Commissioner Greening. | 00:00:18 | |
Chairman Gunby, Commissioner Brown here. Chairman, I'm sorry, Commissioner Brock. | 00:00:22 | |
And Commissioner Stern. | 00:00:30 | |
Thank you. | 00:00:32 | |
So First off, approval of the agenda, do we have any changes to the agenda as? | 00:00:35 | |
Submitted. | 00:00:42 | |
The lady from the Commission staff, no changes. | 00:00:47 | |
All right, can we? | 00:00:52 | |
OK. We have AI. Second, we have a motion and a second to approve the agenda as submitted. Can we have a roll call please? | 00:00:57 | |
Commissioner Greening. | 00:01:05 | |
Yes. Commissioner Shamas. Yes. Chairman Gumby. Commissioner Brown. Commissioner Proc. Yes. Commissioner Stern. Yes. | 00:01:08 | |
Thank you. Agenda has been approved and it's the announcement. Do we have a 10C? | 00:01:18 | |
There was no meeting in August, so no announcements. OK, thank you. | 00:01:27 | |
We do have 2A or 2B, excuse me, as the adoption of the protocol for committee recommendations. | 00:01:32 | |
So if we could put this up on the screen, this is a. | 00:01:38 | |
Process where the City Council recently approved a the process to. | 00:01:44 | |
For committees, commissions and boards to ask a request the Council take action on particular items. | 00:01:55 | |
And we'll process and try to get that on. We're not going to go through the entire thing, but it just you let people. | 00:02:13 | |
Understand that. | 00:02:21 | |
So there is a link on the. | 00:02:28 | |
On the website for this. | 00:02:31 | |
OK. | 00:02:39 | |
And so essentially the process is essentially an application where the particular border Commission can propose an item, vote on | 00:02:40 | |
the item, and if approved, move that item to. | 00:02:48 | |
A to discuss with the particular boards liaison and then bring that to the City manager. | 00:02:59 | |
And discuss the the potential of bringing that to the full council for for their action. | 00:03:09 | |
And that's about it, Mr. Chairman. Yes. Is this the one that has a form that you're supposed to fill out? OK. And the form talks | 00:03:18 | |
about the committees, the recommendation, the discussion, the physical impact and the attachments. And then this would go to so | 00:03:26 | |
that you would give that to your council or your council liaison. | 00:03:34 | |
And then meet with the city manager. | 00:03:43 | |
And then discuss the. | 00:03:48 | |
Relevance of going to the City Council or their ultimate decision whether to approve or not approve that particular request. OK, | 00:03:52 | |
but this is for committee committees or commissions for commissions, correct? That's boards and commissions committees to go to | 00:04:01 | |
request the City Council take action on a particular item of. | 00:04:09 | |
Their relevance. OK, Thank you. You're welcome. | 00:04:18 | |
All right, moving on. You have a question too. Go ahead, Commissioner, go ahead. | 00:04:22 | |
Were you ready? | 00:04:32 | |
Thank you. | 00:04:34 | |
So the mayor put this together and in collaboration with the city manager and others, I imagine yes, and presented it. So it's | 00:04:36 | |
he's giving it to us to review. No, it's not. This is City Council has already approved this. | 00:04:44 | |
So this that's nice of them. So the, so we did all of the chair people of the various boards and commissions did meet with the | 00:04:54 | |
city manager and the mayor and discussed the process in general the the mayor and the city manager then put together. | 00:05:03 | |
A presentation and that went to City Council. It was discussed and they approved this process. | 00:05:13 | |
OK, how about but we didn't have a chance to give any input. We don't you only only through me being at the meeting initially with | 00:05:21 | |
the mayor and the city manager. Well, I wish we had been able to know that ahead of time anyway. So my only comment is on this | 00:05:31 | |
form that I'd like to know how to how will the council respond to it? It's not I would like to see something on the. | 00:05:41 | |
Form that that kind of indicates how approved or denied something like that, yeah, how, how or timeliness, you know, something | 00:05:51 | |
like that so that you know we don't just fill out some form and it goes into the ether and that's it. | 00:05:59 | |
So I mean just in terms of of timeliness and and what to expect like what what kind of response do we expect because it could go | 00:06:08 | |
on the agenda if, if our liaison asked for it to be on the agenda as I understand that. | 00:06:16 | |
And so I'm assuming the liaison will respond back to us concerning whatever we put out there. | 00:06:27 | |
Through the form. So yeah, I, I would, I would. The way I would understand it is that we would work with the Liza. If the liaison | 00:06:36 | |
doesn't believe that this is something that the City Council would would go forward on, then that may be it would be. We also have | 00:06:43 | |
the potential of working with the city city manager and getting his input too. And then the decision would be made whether to go | 00:06:50 | |
forward to bring it to City Council. | 00:06:58 | |
Yes, OK. | 00:07:06 | |
And then ultimately the city so so would decide and or another. So are we kind of on a trial basis here to see how this works and | 00:07:08 | |
then because I mean this came out of our being upset that. | 00:07:14 | |
As a traffic Commission, we haven't been included in decisions that some of the City Council members have made and so we this is | 00:07:21 | |
where this came from. | 00:07:28 | |
And So what I'm, what I'm wondering is, shouldn't we be allowed to give feedback on maybe, you know, after half a year or so, you | 00:07:36 | |
know how it's working? Well, I think there's always a possibility that you can come back and, you know, revisit, you know, after | 00:07:44 | |
it's gone, after it's been used a while. I'm not sure I agree with the reasoning behind. | 00:07:52 | |
Why this came up I think, I think staff had been concerned. | 00:08:01 | |
Not just our staff, but other staff from other boards and commissions. | 00:08:05 | |
That they were being requested to do things and they didn't believe that the individual commissions or boards had the authority to | 00:08:12 | |
request that. And so only City Council was was authorized to make those requests. And so this is a vehicle by which we can request | 00:08:20 | |
the City Council to take action. | 00:08:29 | |
But that is still up to City Council to decide that one way or another. | 00:08:38 | |
Right, but but as when I read the role of the committee in the handbook. | 00:08:43 | |
It says the primary function of city committees is to advise informal and formal communication may be used as appropriate and. | 00:08:50 | |
And then it says committee recommendations related to city actions may be presented at City Council meetings as individual agenda | 00:09:00 | |
items. | 00:09:05 | |
So it you know, we do it says we do have a duty to advise. And so this is the form that we're so this is requesting the council to | 00:09:10 | |
take action. So if we say, well, we want a we want a roundabout at at sunset in Congress academic now and the City Council said | 00:09:20 | |
no, then that would be it. And but if we requested them to do it and they and they agreed to and now they. | 00:09:30 | |
We did not, we did not. No, we're not directing. We are, we are giving our recommendations. So two different things though. So | 00:09:40 | |
staff was. | 00:09:45 | |
Believed in some cases that they were being directed to do things. They did not believe that the various boards and commissions | 00:09:50 | |
had that authority. And that's where this, that's my understanding of where this document came from. | 00:09:58 | |
And this is a formal request from a particular board. | 00:10:06 | |
Or Commission to City Council to take action on a particular item, OK. | 00:10:11 | |
So it's a little bit different than. | 00:10:18 | |
Just suggest making a recommendation. We make recommendations. We've made a lot of various recommendations as far as maintenance | 00:10:20 | |
items and things like that. I. | 00:10:25 | |
That did not require council. | 00:10:31 | |
Approval. | 00:10:36 | |
But other things went beyond that. For instance, in our in our particular case. | 00:10:37 | |
OK, I. | 00:10:44 | |
So you're saying there's there is a way to direct staff? | 00:10:47 | |
Beyond this, I mean, no, this is it, this form going through or council liaison and the city manager and developing a potentially | 00:10:52 | |
an agenda item for City Council that would be the the way to request the formal way to request City Council take action on a | 00:10:59 | |
particular item. | 00:11:07 | |
OK. And these are larger and these, I don't know exactly what the monetary limit is. I think it's like over $5000. So if we're | 00:11:16 | |
requesting public works to do something that costs more than $5000? | 00:11:23 | |
And they don't have that in their specific budget already. Then this would be the way for us to. | 00:11:32 | |
To make that formal request through City Council and then City Council would actually make that take that action. | 00:11:40 | |
Mr. Chairman, I've got a follow-up question. I think Commissioners also asked a question or asked a question that I'd like to have | 00:11:48 | |
answered, and that is I, I, I apologize, I haven't looked at the guidelines for this. | 00:11:55 | |
But is there any time period in which either the liaison or someone else is to get back to the committees of the commissions? | 00:12:02 | |
With regard to an application, well, we have a maybe if we could have our council liaison come to our come to the podium and. | 00:12:13 | |
If they have some more information. | 00:12:23 | |
This is. | 00:12:28 | |
I'll also give my report, but first let me. | 00:12:31 | |
I thought I it could have been explained that to you. | 00:12:35 | |
On it earlier that we had approved that on the council this forum maybe it was the museum board of mobile so lays on a museum | 00:12:40 | |
board. Maybe I told them about it so so I'll tell you about it so the mayor proposed this and in working with the chair said with | 00:12:50 | |
city manager and I got to let you know in my opinion it's in its infancy stage I mean it's. | 00:12:59 | |
Or is on the line and it may be, you know, once it we start getting some forms in from different committees it it may have to be | 00:13:10 | |
tweaked. | 00:13:15 | |
And but I'm not saying it's going to be, but some of the items that and I'll just use. | 00:13:21 | |
Beth Chamas, for example. | 00:13:28 | |
You were working on some goals, if I remember right or am I right that the Commission was working on some goals and if those were | 00:13:31 | |
to put on the form and then I would bring it to the normally I would bring it to the mayor and decide what should we put it on? | 00:13:40 | |
Should we just put it on the consent item? And consent items are usually, you know, one through 8. | 00:13:48 | |
Are approved, there are items that aren't really discussed and but if there's some action that needs to be done, then it would be | 00:13:58 | |
brought to the the mayor and the city manager and then we go with that form and the form goes to the liaison. You're right, Chair | 00:14:07 | |
Gundy goes to me and then I would forward it to the mayor or upstairs to the city manager and then it would go from there. | 00:14:15 | |
But it depends what the what what. | 00:14:25 | |
The items could be too. And just like I said, I'm liaison the museum board and they may have something. I I just don't know. I | 00:14:28 | |
would, if you turn to the forum into me, let's just say you decided to do something. I would definitely take it and bring it | 00:14:35 | |
directly to the city manager and the mayor. And the mayor usually is the I don't want to call him. He's the gatekeeper on some of | 00:14:42 | |
these. | 00:14:48 | |
Agenda items, but they do work on the agenda items together with the city manager. | 00:14:55 | |
So I don't know if that explained. | 00:14:59 | |
It's like I said, it's still, it's an emphasis stage, but it was the first one, but we had some discussion about it, but we did | 00:15:03 | |
approve the form, so. | 00:15:07 | |
If you have any questions, I was at that meeting when you did. Oh, OK, OK. I mean, I know that I just, I wasn't aware that the | 00:15:13 | |
chair had already had a meeting and and was, you know, advising about this form. So, you know, I'm, well, we didn't have the form. | 00:15:20 | |
So. Well, I mean, that you had a meet. You said you had a meeting. Yeah. All the all the chairman of all the boards and | 00:15:26 | |
commissions met with the mayor and the city manager. | 00:15:33 | |
I was unaware of that. I never had any communication about that that happened. So I'm. | 00:15:42 | |
Apologize for, you know, being a little bit behind the ball then, because I had no idea that that's that's fine, but it would be | 00:15:48 | |
good to know. I mean, I feel like this has happened before where meetings, you know, I maybe I don't understand the role of the | 00:15:56 | |
chairperson exactly, but I feel like sometimes that we don't, the rest of the Commission is not knowing what's really happening | 00:16:03 | |
because we haven't been advised about whatever meetings. | 00:16:11 | |
So part of that is we can't talk about it ahead of time and I can't talk about it because there's Brown Act, potential Brown Act | 00:16:20 | |
violations. So this particular one was requested by the mayor and city manager. And like I said, all of the the. | 00:16:28 | |
The and I thought I had mentioned it one of at the next at our next meeting that I had gone to this meeting with the. | 00:16:37 | |
I should have made the announcement. I don't remember that. OK, well, I said this is brand new, so it's it hasn't been tried yet. | 00:16:45 | |
I don't think anybody's turned one in yet. So right. And I so and like let's see how it works under the impression that. | 00:16:51 | |
That we were going to try this and yeah, well, I think that's it. Yeah, I think that's where we are so. | 00:16:58 | |
Councilman. | 00:17:06 | |
I take it that you did not lay down any specific requirements in terms of response time or anything like that at this point, this | 00:17:08 | |
is just an experiment. Yeah, well, it's the forum for now. There was, but there was no timeline in regards to, for example, Mr. | 00:17:15 | |
Brown, if you decide to, you know, fill out the form, give it to the chair and the chair gives it to to me and then I, I couldn't | 00:17:22 | |
give you a timeline other than. | 00:17:30 | |
If I if, if we had to, if I had to give you an estimate, if it comes to me and there's a council meeting for example next week, it | 00:17:38 | |
would probably go on the agenda for two weeks from now. So I would say three or four weeks, we would probably it would go to the | 00:17:44 | |
council. We probably have an answer for you when I come back to the last line. I just wanted the clarification that there was no | 00:17:50 | |
specific. | 00:17:56 | |
Direction or instruction in terms of the amount of time. | 00:18:03 | |
No, for responses. No, there is no response. I'm I'm just giving you my estimate. Yeah, understand. Thank you. OK. | 00:18:07 | |
Did you want me to give you my report segue into your council report? That would be great. | 00:18:15 | |
Well, the Small business interpreters presentation was given to us by Roger Gilbert, Central Coast Director of Small Businesses. | 00:18:21 | |
It was a very interesting. | 00:18:27 | |
I do know that. | 00:18:35 | |
We usually give during the council meetings. We usually give a. | 00:18:38 | |
Council, if anybody has anything to say, unfortunately we were a little, little pressed for time, but I I did have a couple things | 00:18:42 | |
I wanted to mention if anybody watched the Olympics. | 00:18:47 | |
There was 11 year old. | 00:18:54 | |
Female. | 00:18:56 | |
That won gold in the skateboard contest, which was really, and if anybody noticed, the BMX bicycles. | 00:18:58 | |
I don't know how they do that, turn the wheel around and everything, but that was the other comment I was going to be made and | 00:19:07 | |
then. | 00:19:11 | |
And the car week, of course, I was going to talk about that and there I think everybody pretty much understood that was pretty | 00:19:16 | |
exciting. They are in the businesses on the park. Let's were slammed if any of you've seen that. So anyway, going on, I don't want | 00:19:23 | |
to hold you up here. I one of those consent items was pulled Monarch sanctuary report and it was received the report and it was | 00:19:30 | |
discussed and the report was received. | 00:19:38 | |
George first put the environmental program manager put that together. | 00:19:45 | |
We also have the city Pacific Groves conflict of interest dealing with. | 00:19:51 | |
The city attorney was going to explain what that ordinance was going to be, conflict of interest as there was, but he tabled it. | 00:19:58 | |
We're going to see it. We're going to see it again. So that was not discussed at all. There was a motion of authorized city | 00:20:06 | |
manager to request for proposals for opening up a cannabis shop. I'm sure you probably heard about that. | 00:20:14 | |
There was a memo memorandum of understanding which was approved with the City of Pacific Grove Police Officers Association. | 00:20:23 | |
There was also a master services purchasing. | 00:20:32 | |
Agreement with Axon Enterprises and that was approved by the Commander Anderson who presented it and did fantastic job on that. | 00:20:36 | |
There was a decision on on the sidewalks at Pine and Fountain where the Robert Downey school is and that's already been. | 00:20:46 | |
That was discussed already. The sidewalks, I mean the crosswalks are in, but what Mr. Go and the civil engineer is going to do is | 00:20:56 | |
reevaluate it and see if some other crosswalks or something needs to be put in. That will be up to the staff to to handle. And | 00:21:03 | |
then also. | 00:21:10 | |
Also, there was a dear awareness with Carmelita Garcia. She gave a presentation on that. | 00:21:20 | |
So do you have any questions else about that? All right, great. Thank you. Thank you. | 00:21:25 | |
All right, moving along to general public comment and our written communications. We had a an e-mail from some, I don't have their | 00:21:32 | |
name in front of it, but concerning unsafe passing and speeding on Patterson Lane. | 00:21:41 | |
Had another e-mail. | 00:21:51 | |
Concerning adding a stop sign on Forest at Laurel in downtown, Two stop signs I guess, actually. | 00:21:55 | |
And then on the 500 block of force, again another speeding issue. | 00:22:03 | |
And Sunset Maple and 17 Mile drive traffic complaint. I think this had to do with. | 00:22:11 | |
Signage to help people understand who's. | 00:22:21 | |
Who goes when? | 00:22:27 | |
It's another five way intersection that can be confusing to some folks. | 00:22:29 | |
And then finally 810 Lighthouse, there was an issue there with pavement or the herb painting and for. | 00:22:34 | |
Enlarge the. | 00:22:44 | |
Passenger loading zone. | 00:22:46 | |
Curb aint. | 00:22:49 | |
And then moving on for oral communications, do we have anybody online who wishes to make a comment? I think we have A at least a | 00:22:51 | |
couple. | 00:22:56 | |
OK, Inga. | 00:23:09 | |
Thank you, Chair Gumby. | 00:23:11 | |
I'm sure you're all aware that I did send the Traffic and Safety Commission a letter which is not published, but it was thanking, | 00:23:15 | |
especially the city manager, because these next letters at this meeting have a link and we can actually read them. And that's | 00:23:24 | |
really all I wanted was to have that reinstated so that we, the public can. | 00:23:33 | |
Read the raw data and be able to comment. | 00:23:43 | |
On them intelligently, and I appreciate that very much, that that has suddenly come back. | 00:23:47 | |
And also in that is because I don't know, I know the next one is approval of the minutes, but in that same e-mail of mine. | 00:23:56 | |
Somehow I was completely left out of the minutes after Carmel Carmelita Garcia's comments, and this was about bringing letters | 00:24:07 | |
back the links so that we could read them. I was completely left out. | 00:24:14 | |
And I don't know if those are actually going to be corrected and how that is posted because I sent the letter way in time that | 00:24:21 | |
they could have been corrected before this meeting. So I would like to know how this board responds to that. And I also had to | 00:24:30 | |
send in. Did you receive it? Because no one even acknowledged that they had received. | 00:24:40 | |
My letter, whether it was staff or members of the Commission, nobody even acknowledged it. So if you wonder what's going wrong, | 00:24:50 | |
it's called communication. | 00:24:55 | |
Hearing something beforehand, being able to see something, commenting, acknowledging. | 00:25:02 | |
So. | 00:25:09 | |
I'd like to acknowledge you here for being here and listening and say that I would like to know how that's going to be taken care | 00:25:10 | |
of in the next agenda item. Thank you very much. | 00:25:17 | |
All righty, thank you and just comment there on the thank you to the her e-mail to thank you to the city manager. | 00:25:25 | |
It came in actually about an hour and a half after the agenda was published. That's why it's not on today's agenda. | 00:25:36 | |
So moving on to anyone else on line. | 00:25:42 | |
Yeah, but we're looking, we're doing the online folks 1st and we'll do the. | 00:25:49 | |
Garcia in just one moment. | 00:25:53 | |
Go ahead, Carmelita. | 00:25:55 | |
Hi there, good afternoon. Thank you for your service. I have a couple of comments. Yes, thank you very much for posting the actual | 00:25:58 | |
emails online. Again, I think it's very important that the public get the whole story so quickly. If you go down Union Street to | 00:26:06 | |
16th St. which is a one way St. towards Ocean View, there's no signage alerting the driver, no right hand turn or left hand turn | 00:26:13 | |
only. | 00:26:20 | |
I was there the day they made a right hand turn going in the wrong direction with the car driving towards them going the correct | 00:26:29 | |
direction. So I did send in a service request and I was referred to the Traffic Safety Commission. My question is being if the | 00:26:36 | |
Commission is going to go on a quarterly basis of review. | 00:26:42 | |
I'm wondering, you know, this seems to be like a quick fix and why it would not be addressed sooner or later. So that's my comment | 00:26:50 | |
there with regards to Robert Down and the stop sign and the removal of stop signs and what have you, and that the engineer, city | 00:26:57 | |
engineer and public works will go back to revisit that. My hope is that you, the Traffic Safety Commission will have the | 00:27:05 | |
opportunity to review the. | 00:27:12 | |
Scenes before they go to City Council because I think it's imperative that you as a Traffic Safety Commission weigh in on on what | 00:27:20 | |
is about to be presented to the City Council. And I know the council is in a big hurry to try and get this corrected and you know | 00:27:27 | |
they they want it sooner than later and whether or not this would delay that I don't know. But again, I think it's really | 00:27:35 | |
imperative that you as a Traffic Safety Commission look at at this because you didn't get. | 00:27:42 | |
Opportunity to look at it the first time around. So thank you very much. That's all I have to say. Thank you. All right, before | 00:27:50 | |
you go, that was a union. What was that first intersection, that union, Union at 16th Street, right. OK, thank you. You're | 00:27:56 | |
welcome. | 00:28:01 | |
All right, anyone else on line that wishing to make a comment? | 00:28:10 | |
No one else online? All righty. Anyone in the audience wishing to make comments? | 00:28:17 | |
Please step up to the. | 00:28:23 | |
Podium. | 00:28:26 | |
My name is Donald Rotella and I'm the one that submitted the fifth one on the agenda, which was regarding 810 Lighthouse Ave. | 00:28:28 | |
That's what regarding the parking, because the new law and having it required to have, I would believe it's like 20 feet of red | 00:28:37 | |
zone at the corners. They paint it red, but because they did that, there's a small area there now where. | 00:28:46 | |
Vehicles could park. | 00:28:55 | |
Between the passenger loading zone and the red zone. But that area is so small that hardly it has to be a really small car that | 00:28:57 | |
fits there. So what they do is a regular SUV will block the passenger zone. So then a person cannot get in the passenger zone, | 00:29:05 | |
they cannot park in there, or if they do, they try to get in there and they block traffic and it blocks Lighthouse Ave. So I was | 00:29:12 | |
really concerned about that. | 00:29:19 | |
To remediate that issue, if they either extended the passenger white passenger loading zone all the way to the red zone. | 00:29:27 | |
Or if they started it with the red zone and moved it back, that would remediate the issue. Oh, you were going to say something. | 00:29:34 | |
Oh, oh, OK, I saw you put your hand. So I thought, OK, so anyway, so that's that's the issue. And because I live those are | 00:29:42 | |
condominiums, 22, a lot of them are elderly people, retired people. So some are in have walkers and canes and so forth. So they | 00:29:49 | |
need to be able to get. | 00:29:57 | |
That area have someone pick them up even the mailman says he has a hard time getting in there because the car that's parked in | 00:30:04 | |
that small area between the red zone and the passenger, you can such a small area and then the area behind right next to adjacent | 00:30:12 | |
to the passenger loading zone. A lot of those cars move up and park partially on the white zone. So if they extended it all the | 00:30:19 | |
way to the red zone or like I said started it with the red zone and. | 00:30:27 | |
Back and if it's, you know, according to the ordinance or law that they have to have a certain amount of space, they can always do | 00:30:35 | |
that, but start at the red zone. | 00:30:38 | |
So that was my concern. I was directed to five different departments, from code enforcement to the Fresno Police Department, to | 00:30:42 | |
the city manager, to the city administration, finally to the Traffic Safety Commission. So no one knew who to contact until I | 00:30:50 | |
finally got hold of someone that says it was, I think those sitting manager and Mr. Go GHO, they told me to contact the Safety | 00:30:57 | |
Traffic Commission. | 00:31:04 | |
All right. Thank you. And I think Mr. go ahead. You'd already forwarded that to the traffic engineer. | 00:31:12 | |
That's correct. His review began today. There you go. So it's in the process. | 00:31:21 | |
Anyone else in the audience wishing to make any comments? | 00:31:27 | |
I do not have a timeline, Sir. | 00:31:37 | |
I don't have a timeline. I haven't been able to touch base with staff on that. | 00:31:39 | |
Yeah, when we get a recommendation from our traffic engineer, then he'll create a work order and crews will go out and make the | 00:31:44 | |
appropriate improvement. | 00:31:49 | |
All righty. Mr. Chairman, just just as a follow up to that, is there a way that we can keep this on the agenda to make sure that | 00:31:56 | |
there's follow through on this in a timely manner? | 00:32:02 | |
I guess you can bring it up at the next at our next meeting if you wish. | 00:32:10 | |
What would it fit under? New business, Old business, make it. Old business you can make a. | 00:32:14 | |
Ask it during during the general public comment. You can. | 00:32:20 | |
OK, we can be flexible. | 00:32:25 | |
Thank you. | 00:32:27 | |
Welcome. All righty, Moving on. We'll close public comment. Moving on to the minutes. | 00:32:28 | |
Do we have any? | 00:32:38 | |
Revisions to the minutes. | 00:32:41 | |
I'll propose that we revise and add Inga's name to the the portion of it with Carmelita Garcia's. | 00:32:47 | |
I did. I did have it written down in my notes and I didn't put it in because I basically had that. She was agreeing with | 00:33:00 | |
Carmelita. That's fine. So. | 00:33:05 | |
We can say that Inga was in agreement with. | 00:33:11 | |
The roundabout written, public comments to be published and the Traffic Safety committee being. | 00:33:17 | |
No, that's just it that she wanted the written public comments to be published. OK. And so I'll move that we approve that. Do we | 00:33:30 | |
have a second? | 00:33:35 | |
I've already closed public comment. | 00:33:43 | |
So do I have a second? | 00:33:49 | |
OK, it's been moved. And seconded that we revised the minutes to show that Inga Dominson, Lorenson Dahmer, excuse me. | 00:33:52 | |
That. | 00:34:01 | |
Will add her name to the minutes concerning the roundabout conversation that she agreed with Carmelita Garcia, correct? | 00:34:03 | |
Yes, all right. | 00:34:13 | |
Can we have a roll call vote please? | 00:34:15 | |
Commissioner Greening, Commissioner Shamas, Chairman Gumby, Commissioner Brown, Commissioner Stern. | 00:34:18 | |
All right, moving on to the regular agenda and we have a presentation. It's going to be an online presentation. There she is from | 00:34:28 | |
Ariata Green. She's a principal transportation planner from TMC. And this is going to concern Safe Routes to School and Complete | 00:34:34 | |
Streets. | 00:34:40 | |
And the PowerPoint is available online. We're going to try to show that too, while she's speaking. | 00:34:47 | |
So let's hang on for just a second. Let's get it on if we can get. | 00:34:57 | |
The PowerPoint Online. | 00:35:02 | |
Or however we can do it, it's fine with me. | 00:35:11 | |
Well, while while the PowerPoint is being pulled up, can you all hear me OK? | 00:35:19 | |
Excellent. | 00:35:25 | |
So hang on, staff, are you trying to get it online because it's. | 00:35:26 | |
Miss Green, do you plan on presenting from and sharing from your computer, or would you like us to pull that up? I can if needed. | 00:35:31 | |
That'd be great because I don't have it readily available. Thank you. No problem. | 00:35:38 | |
Sorry for the yeah, no worries. | 00:35:45 | |
OK. | 00:35:57 | |
Perfect. And we see it clearly. Thank you very much. | 00:35:59 | |
OK, everyone can see my screen. We do see a presenter mode, so we're seeing your notes as well as the. | 00:36:04 | |
We're seeing next slide. | 00:36:17 | |
There we go. | 00:36:25 | |
Yeah, technology. | 00:36:27 | |
Thank you all for accommodating me tonight. I had some, my childcare fell through this evening last minute, so I really appreciate | 00:36:31 | |
the opportunity to still be able to present to you tonight. My name is Ariana Green. I'm a principal transportation planner with | 00:36:39 | |
the Transportation Agency for Monterey County. And tonight we're going to touch on some buzzwords that you may have been. | 00:36:47 | |
Hearing. | 00:36:57 | |
Umm, so this is going to be a high level presentation and our staff will be coming back to this Commission in the near future to | 00:36:58 | |
talk more about some of these. But tonight I want everyone to be able to walk away with a general understanding of complete safe | 00:37:07 | |
Routes to school, complete streets and Vision Zero. And then I also just wanted to talk a little bit about some. | 00:37:16 | |
Some barriers and opportunities to bringing these things to Pacific Grove. | 00:37:26 | |
But before we dive into that, I just want to make sure everyone in the room and in the audience knows who we are. Where the | 00:37:35 | |
transportation agency for Monterey County. We are a regional transportation planning agency, and we're designated by the state and | 00:37:43 | |
responsible for planning and funding transportation projects only in Monterey County. | 00:37:51 | |
And we work on a variety of different transportation projects. | 00:37:59 | |
From rail to complete streets to bike, walk, biking, walking to Hwy. projects and supporting projects that cross multiple | 00:38:03 | |
jurisdictions in the county. | 00:38:10 | |
We have a pretty large board. We have 23 members made-up of all. | 00:38:18 | |
Of the Board of Supervisors and representatives from each of the incorporated cities in Monterey County Council Member Podori is | 00:38:24 | |
our representative from Pacific Grove and we also have seven ex officio members serving on our board, including Monterey Salinas | 00:38:32 | |
Transit and the Air District, CSU, Monterey Bay, et cetera. | 00:38:40 | |
So lots of, lots of powerful people in the room helping us make our important transportation decisions. | 00:38:48 | |
And my main role at the agency is that I oversee our countrywide Safe Routes to School program. So what our program, our program | 00:38:59 | |
is funded through Measure X, which is passed in 2016 by the Monterey County voters. And we have $20 million / 30 years dedicated | 00:39:06 | |
to the Safe Routes to School program. | 00:39:14 | |
We, and then what we do with the program is we dedicate roughly half of our budget to changing the actual physical infrastructure | 00:39:23 | |
to better accommodate, to make it safer and more comfortable for kids to get to and from school. | 00:39:32 | |
And then the other roughly half of the budget is spent on non infrastructure education and encouragement programming. We're also | 00:39:41 | |
an important goal of our program is to be equitable. So we've been focusing on our most serving, our most transportation | 00:39:49 | |
disadvantaged communities. | 00:39:58 | |
In the county, first people who don't have access to a car, who have limited transportation. | 00:40:07 | |
Options. | 00:40:13 | |
And then? | 00:40:15 | |
Really the overarching goal are why for the program is, is we want every child to be able to walk safely and comfortably anywhere | 00:40:18 | |
in their community. So that's the ultimate goal. And when we can design our streets to be comfortable and safe for children, then | 00:40:26 | |
what we're really doing is we're making them safe, safe and comfortable for everybody, people of all ages. | 00:40:35 | |
And abilities. | 00:40:44 | |
So. | 00:40:45 | |
We're so everybody benefits is I guess what I'm trying to say. So there are we focus on improving safety. | 00:40:47 | |
Traffic is a big issue around schools. Lots of people drive their kids to schools now there are health benefits, long lasting life | 00:40:56 | |
long lasting health benefits and then there's also benefits to the environment. So there's there is a lot of focus on reducing | 00:41:04 | |
drive alone trips to and from school and an emphasis on encouraging. | 00:41:12 | |
Active transportation like walking and biking, as well as. | 00:41:20 | |
Carpooling and transit options. | 00:41:25 | |
So that's the high level complete streets or Saint Ross's school. | 00:41:31 | |
And, and now we're moving on to Complete Streets. And there is a lot of overlap actually between Complete Streets and our Safe | 00:41:37 | |
Routes to School program because Complete Streets is all about designing with all users in mind. So thinking about people of all | 00:41:45 | |
ages and abilities when we're designing our streets. | 00:41:53 | |
This is an example of what a complete St. might look like. | 00:42:02 | |
But I do want to say that Complete Streets is not about making every street look like this. It's about recognizing that there are | 00:42:06 | |
some streets where cars will have priority, and there will be other streets where bicyclists and pedestrians will have priority | 00:42:14 | |
over cars. But right now, I think the reality for a lot of streets is that cars have the priority and there hasn't been a lot of | 00:42:21 | |
thought about everybody else. | 00:42:29 | |
So Complete Streets is kind of pushing back on on what's existing and seeing if there are ways that we can improve. | 00:42:36 | |
Improve comfort and safety and access for more more people who are using the street. | 00:42:46 | |
And for streets that are like main streets where everybody needs to like lots of people use them because they provide the most | 00:42:53 | |
direct access to jobs and schools and, you know, all the important things in a community centers and City Hall, we want to make | 00:43:01 | |
sure that everybody, ideally all users. | 00:43:08 | |
Have good access on those streets and it might mean. | 00:43:16 | |
If you've got streets where there are higher speeds, then you might need more protection for bicycles and and pedestrians. So in | 00:43:21 | |
this picture we've got. | 00:43:26 | |
Plus, we've got transit, we have cars and we have bikes, but we have a physical separation between the bikes and the cars on the | 00:43:32 | |
street. | 00:43:37 | |
One of the biggest challenges of Complete Streets is, especially in a city like Pacific Grove, is that your infrastructure is | 00:43:43 | |
built out. So like you have buildings on either side of the roadway. So what that means is that when you try and do Complete | 00:43:49 | |
Streets project, there are going to be trade-offs. | 00:43:56 | |
Because you only have so much St. real estate to work with. So something's to make room more room for one user like a like a | 00:44:03 | |
bicyclist. That may mean giving up some real estate that has been dedicated to cars. So be that parking, be that narrowing lanes. | 00:44:11 | |
There's usually some some sort of a trade off there. So that's the hardest part about implementing company streets. | 00:44:19 | |
And I just wanted to call out that the city of Pacific Grove already has a planning document that that includes Complete streets | 00:44:29 | |
recommendations and that's the Pacific Grove Hwy. 68 corridor. So this is a proposal for street for Sunset Dr. what Sunset Dr. | 00:44:37 | |
could look like and. | 00:44:45 | |
Give to create a more comfortable space for. | 00:44:54 | |
Cyclists and pedestrians. | 00:44:59 | |
OK. And now we're moving on to Vision 0. So I'm not going to talk a ton about Vision Zero because our agency is getting ready to, | 00:45:05 | |
we're we're getting ready to start a Vision Zero county wide Vision Zero plan. | 00:45:13 | |
Which will include the city of Pacific Grove. So my colleague Doug Bilsey, our our Campsie traffic engineer will be coming back to | 00:45:23 | |
the Commission to get your input and to work with you to develop the Vision Zero plan for Pacific Grove. But essentially the goal | 00:45:31 | |
of Vision 0 is. | 00:45:40 | |
To reduce the number of traffic related. | 00:45:49 | |
Injuries and fatalities to 0. So it's really looking through. | 00:45:53 | |
Transportation planning and engineering through this lens that that really prioritizes safety above above all else. And there's a | 00:46:01 | |
number of ways that you can achieve a Vision Zero and this so this diagram is actually from the city of Monterey's Vision Zero | 00:46:08 | |
plan. | 00:46:15 | |
And so they have identified 4 main quadrants to focus on to to meet to reach this goal of 0. | 00:46:23 | |
Fatalities and injuries. So you want to have safe design roads that are safe. You want to have design roads that lower speeds. | 00:46:33 | |
You want people to be educated so they know how to get around safely and you want the vehicles themselves to be safe and and drive | 00:46:43 | |
worthy. And then one of our main focuses, this diagram shows why speed is just so important to achieve Vision 0. | 00:46:54 | |
Speed. | 00:47:07 | |
Affects the way the driver really effects drivers vision. So at the top you can see this is the vision that driver has driving 20 | 00:47:08 | |
mph. So you're driving slower so you can see a lot more around you and you're you need for your reaction time you need less. | 00:47:18 | |
Time to stop. Let's say if a child darts out in the road in front of you and then as you can see as you go down the diagram, the | 00:47:29 | |
speeds are getting faster and faster and your your tunnel vision is getting smaller and smaller and your reaction time is getting | 00:47:37 | |
or your reaction distance you need to stop is getting larger and larger. | 00:47:45 | |
And so the result of of this is if you pedestrians, if they're hit. | 00:47:54 | |
Crossing the street by a car that's going 40 mph, they're 80% more likely to be killed or have a severe injury versus 10%. | 00:48:02 | |
Who pedestrians are likely for those things if they're hit by a car going 20 mph. So it's pretty significant. | 00:48:19 | |
That's why speed is so important. | 00:48:29 | |
So I pulled a a report just till I was curious to to find out where. | 00:48:35 | |
Where bicycles and pedestrian Where the bicycles and pedestrian crashes have been happening in Pacific Grove over the past roughly | 00:48:43 | |
decade. And so this map shows shows the spots where people have been hit by cars and the red spots are where multiple collisions | 00:48:50 | |
have happened. So you can see. | 00:48:57 | |
That I'm not sure if you can see my cursor or not, but most of the collisions have been happening along Forest Ave. | 00:49:04 | |
We have some along Sunset Drive here. | 00:49:15 | |
And then on lighthouse. | 00:49:21 | |
And it looks like some of these are maybe on the trail, but and then lighthouse, so another you might, you can see that a lot of | 00:49:24 | |
these collisions happen at the intersections and intersections are are the most dangerous place for pedestrians and bicyclists | 00:49:32 | |
because they're more likely to that's where they're more likely to be hit. So. | 00:49:41 | |
If you want to improve safety. | 00:49:51 | |
We focus on the intersections, but really it looks like you have some opportunity here to focus on some corridors and making | 00:49:54 | |
corridor wide improvements. | 00:50:00 | |
Throughout the city. Pine was another one that I flagged here. | 00:50:07 | |
And then this graph just breaks down the percentage of pedestrians versus bicyclists. So I was surprised actually, because | 00:50:16 | |
normally we see a lot more pedestrians of pedestrian crashes versus bicyclists, but. | 00:50:24 | |
So. So this was a little bit surprising. | 00:50:34 | |
Especially considering how hilly you guys, how hilly Pacific Grove is. So you've got some strong bicyclists in the community, but | 00:50:37 | |
this might suggest that. | 00:50:42 | |
That you might want to consider some improved bicycle facilities in the city. | 00:50:48 | |
So we've, I've kind of been talking about some barriers and opportunities throughout the presentation, but I just wanted to touch | 00:50:58 | |
on a couple more. So I think one of the biggest barriers for the for Pacific Grove is funding, grant funding what we've been | 00:51:04 | |
seeing. | 00:51:11 | |
Over the past. | 00:51:19 | |
Like 6. | 00:51:23 | |
Funding cycles for active transportation, bicycle pedestrian grants is that there's really been an emphasis on serving | 00:51:24 | |
disadvantaged communities, quote UN quote disadvantaged communities. And based off of the criteria the grants use, Pacific Grove | 00:51:32 | |
is not a competitive candidate. So in terms of being considered a disadvantaged community, so that that's definitely going to be a | 00:51:39 | |
challenge. | 00:51:47 | |
I think I see that as a challenge for Pacific growth. | 00:51:55 | |
But I think that some opportunities that you have are you have some existing planning documents already that have analyzed some of | 00:51:59 | |
the major corridors in the city. And we've got the the Vision Zero plan coming that will do will allow for even more analysis on | 00:52:09 | |
streets throughout the city and really focus on safety and figuring out projects that can improve safety. | 00:52:19 | |
Throughout the city. | 00:52:29 | |
And then there are there are things that can be done for with local dollars and there are improvements that that can be done for. | 00:52:32 | |
That don't cost millions and millions of dollars, so. | 00:52:45 | |
One of the things that we've been. | 00:52:50 | |
Experimenting with through our Safe Routes to School plans is we've been doing temporary St. demonstrations so where we for a | 00:52:53 | |
shorter period of time will redesign. | 00:53:01 | |
A section of roadway, a block or a couple blocks or an intersection and we'll try out a complete streets design and we. | 00:53:11 | |
We collect data, we collect surveys from the community to find out what the commute, how the community feels about the new design, | 00:53:25 | |
whether they like it or not. | 00:53:29 | |
But these can be done. | 00:53:35 | |
Pretty inexpensively. And and then if the community doesn't like it, the beauty of it is that it can be taken out. Everything is | 00:53:38 | |
removable. | 00:53:43 | |
So this is something that. | 00:53:48 | |
That could be done in Pacific Grove. | 00:53:53 | |
And on several streets. And it's something that our agency would be happy to work with staff on to identify opportunities for if | 00:53:57 | |
that's of interest to the Commission and the City Council. | 00:54:04 | |
So here's another example of protected bike lane that we demonstrated in Seaside. | 00:54:15 | |
And next to a. | 00:54:22 | |
One of the elementaries? One of their elementary schools. | 00:54:25 | |
And that concludes my presentation. I'd be happy to answer questions or clarify anything for you. Thank you. Great. Thank you. | 00:54:29 | |
That was great. If you can keep your PowerPoint up, that would be great also. | 00:54:37 | |
Staff, do we have anyone online who's has their hand up? | 00:54:46 | |
No. | 00:54:52 | |
All righty and video in the audience wishing to make a comment or ask a question. | 00:54:54 | |
All right, Any Commissioners wishing to make a comment or ask a question? Commissioner Shamas, thank you. I have a question about | 00:55:00 | |
what about grants for seniors or disabled because. | 00:55:08 | |
Pacific Grove may not fall into certain other categories for grants, but probably senior citizens might do it. | 00:55:16 | |
I'm just wondering if that was another option that we could look at. | 00:55:28 | |
Yeah, we definitely can. Can look into that. There aren't any specific grants that I'm aware of for infrastructure, if that's what | 00:55:33 | |
you're meaning, if that's what you're meaning, we do have, our agency does have a seniors and disabled grant program or like | 00:55:42 | |
transportation services for seniors. So we do that is an active program that's funded through Measure X. | 00:55:50 | |
That's I believe. I believe serves Pacific Grove, but I can double check on that too. | 00:55:59 | |
Yeah. OK. Thank you. | 00:56:06 | |
All right. Any other OK, Vice Vice Chairman Brown? | 00:56:08 | |
I've got a series of questions, I would really appreciate it if you could help me on this I. | 00:56:14 | |
Miss Green, would you go to the bike and pedestrian crashes? | 00:56:19 | |
Slide. | 00:56:26 | |
There are no bars on these, sort of I I don't know. Is that the one you want to describe? Yeah, that's the right. | 00:56:27 | |
So let me make sure I understand this. You collected data from 2012 through 2021. Where do you find this kind of information? | 00:56:33 | |
Yeah, great question, and I'm sorry I did not provide a citation. This is from the Transportation Injury Mapping System. | 00:56:43 | |
And that's it's a site that's put together by UC Berkeley and I can share a link with staff if you're interested in checking it | 00:56:53 | |
out yourself. It's free to access. You just have to set up an account and then you can look up the statewide. | 00:57:02 | |
Traffic data, So all the the data that gets reported from the police departments to the state shows up in the transportation | 00:57:13 | |
Injury mapping system. | 00:57:18 | |
And then you can you can. | 00:57:24 | |
Create maps like this one and. | 00:57:28 | |
Query certain things and it's not just for bicycle and pedestrian data, it's for all crashes. And I look up, there's also you can | 00:57:32 | |
look up all sorts of detailed information about each crash. So, so yeah, I can share that. | 00:57:39 | |
Site. | 00:57:48 | |
Yeah, that would be if you could give us a citation. Yes, it's a great tool and this is what we use for our grant applications | 00:57:50 | |
too. | 00:57:54 | |
OK. | 00:58:00 | |
Following up on that, if you go to the next slide. | 00:58:03 | |
I got confused my. | 00:58:08 | |
My printer doesn't print things out in the right colors. | 00:58:10 | |
Need to change anyone can see I've got pink on this and yellow and and it's supposed to be green and blue so I want to make sure I | 00:58:14 | |
understand this chart. | 00:58:20 | |
So the green is injuries to or you say victims. So we don't know exactly what that means, right? That just means somebody was | 00:58:26 | |
involved in. | 00:58:32 | |
The situation, yeah, for pedestrians, that's what the grain is, right? Yes. So these were pedestrians involved in crashes. OK. | 00:58:39 | |
It means that they've been hit by a car, hit by a car in most cases. There are some rare cases where there are collisions or | 00:58:52 | |
crashes between a bicyclist and a pedestrian, but usually it's between a car, motorized vehicle and a pedestrian or bicyclist. OK. | 00:59:00 | |
And so that's sorry that that's the blue, the pedestrians involved, yes. | 00:59:08 | |
So the Blues bicyclists. | 00:59:17 | |
So 56% of all the crashes involves bicycles. The problem is the bottom on the bottom of the chart. | 00:59:21 | |
The blue dot is next to pedestrians. You see them. | 00:59:30 | |
Yes. | 00:59:36 | |
No, no, no. I. | 00:59:39 | |
OK, All right, so. | 00:59:43 | |
What's underneath the colored bars is what we should be looking at in terms of the type of. | 00:59:46 | |
Mode of transportation, walking or cars or bicyclists that that it reflects, right. So you've got, in this case, the blue is the | 00:59:56 | |
bicyclists and the green is the pedestrians. | 01:00:02 | |
OK. | 01:00:09 | |
I was confused by what's underneath that. OK, so then um. | 01:00:10 | |
What we what you had observed is that it appears that more bicyclists were involved in some form of accident during this time | 01:00:16 | |
period. Is that right? | 01:00:20 | |
Correct. | 01:00:26 | |
We go back to this slide just before this. | 01:00:28 | |
I want you to look at the intersection of Congress and Sunset. | 01:00:34 | |
And there is a green with a yellow in the middle. | 01:00:41 | |
What does that indicate? | 01:00:46 | |
So. | 01:00:50 | |
It means that there is more than one crash there. | 01:00:52 | |
So if it was just a green, if it was just a green. So the the green to red is just a like the number the the. | 01:00:58 | |
The number of crashes that have happened in that same spot. | 01:01:07 | |
OK, so how many crashes did? | 01:01:12 | |
I don't, you know, I don't have that exact information readily available to me right now, but I, but again, I can follow up with | 01:01:14 | |
staff with some more detailed information if that would be of interest. | 01:01:23 | |
It would be. I would find it interesting because we're with that intersection now on the. | 01:01:32 | |
Issue of the roundabout and we have a different series of. | 01:01:38 | |
Information that we received back in January. | 01:01:44 | |
From the consultant with regard to that project, and that was for a time period from December. | 01:01:48 | |
2017 to December 22nd. | 01:01:55 | |
And the only thing I see on there are, well, there were 10 accidents. | 01:02:00 | |
But these are all car accidents. | 01:02:06 | |
Or. | 01:02:09 | |
Simply say unknown 7 involved property and three involved injuries. | 01:02:10 | |
I'm just trying to see if these things are complementary or contradictory. | 01:02:18 | |
So if we could get some more information on the nature of the information that resulted in your making that indication on this | 01:02:26 | |
map, I would appreciate it. | 01:02:32 | |
Yeah. And again, this map only shows the crashes involving bicyclists and pedestrian. It doesn't show any of the just car on car | 01:02:40 | |
crashes. But I'd be happy to do a quick query for the intersection that shows all of the crashes including bicyclists and | 01:02:47 | |
pedestrians and and motorized vehicles. Yeah, I I think that would be important because one of the considerations that that I'm | 01:02:54 | |
concerned about with regard to that intersection. | 01:03:02 | |
And any solution in that intersection is the impact it's going to have on the kids going to school. | 01:03:10 | |
It's good to know what kind of and to what extent there were. | 01:03:19 | |
Accidents involving pedestrians, in this case mostly children, and whatever information we could collect on that I think would be | 01:03:25 | |
very helpful to the Commission. | 01:03:29 | |
I'd be happy to help. | 01:03:38 | |
Thank you. | 01:03:41 | |
Ariana, great presentation. Thank you so much. | 01:03:42 | |
I noticed the hot spot on forest there's that corridor seems pretty dangerous and it's also a major intersection for kids to get | 01:03:47 | |
to school at the elementary school, kind of right underneath the Pacific Grove. | 01:03:54 | |
Yeah, to the right there is one of our schools and. | 01:04:04 | |
I appreciate you saying you guys do pop-up demonstrations and I'm wondering if this would be a candidate to do a pop-up | 01:04:08 | |
demonstration to show how we can reduce speeds or provide somewhat of a better network for a safe route to school since this is | 01:04:15 | |
such a dangerous area. | 01:04:22 | |
We'd love to know. I don't know if you if you're familiar with that street or that area, but I guess my suggestion would be I | 01:04:30 | |
would love to try to see a proposed pop up here if Tamsi is willing to work with us to provide a safer route to school. | 01:04:39 | |
Yeah, we would be happy to to have some more conversations about some potential projects because I mean pop up demonstrations | 01:04:48 | |
don't work on every single street. So we have to make sure. | 01:04:55 | |
That. | 01:05:02 | |
It meets all the right criteria, but I think so. And I don't know enough today to say one way or another, but but yeah, we would | 01:05:05 | |
be happy to have the conversations with staff to look, look at it more closely, look at a couple options. Pine Ave. was one of the | 01:05:13 | |
streets that we've kind of been looking at. | 01:05:20 | |
As that may have potential. | 01:05:29 | |
For some complete streets improvements, some state process school improvements. | 01:05:33 | |
Forest Ave. of course, is a little trickier because it's one of the evacuation routes for the city. So like there's there's a lot | 01:05:37 | |
of considerations right, for any street. So we would just need to to dive in with staff on. | 01:05:47 | |
On this considerations and to follow up, I think what would be helpful today because you've provided such great information, I | 01:05:58 | |
would love to know what that process looks like to approach TMC and obviously budgets are a big issue, but would love to know what | 01:06:05 | |
is that process generally look like to engage with TMC. | 01:06:12 | |
So we've been doing our pop-up demonstrations as part of our Safe Routes to School planning process. So we don't, we don't | 01:06:21 | |
actually have an established like program for, for doing like quick build projects or these like pilot projects yet. It's | 01:06:28 | |
actually, it's something we're developing right now, but I don't know, I don't honestly know how long it's going to take us to get | 01:06:34 | |
set up. | 01:06:41 | |
I'm hoping. | 01:06:49 | |
That. | 01:06:51 | |
In a perfect world, we would be able to start implementing some projects within a year or so. | 01:06:53 | |
But I just so I. | 01:07:01 | |
I've I've talked with PG staff a little bit about this opportunity already and would be happy to continue talking to see if the | 01:07:06 | |
city is interested in in doing. | 01:07:12 | |
Maybe a pilot with us, but but yeah, the timing, I don't, I don't have any. We don't have an established program yet. So we'll be | 01:07:20 | |
talking about doing a pilot program with the city of Pacific Grove. | 01:07:26 | |
Thank you so much. | 01:07:36 | |
Any other questions from commissioners? | 01:07:39 | |
I had, and I just wanted to kind of reiterate, I think from what Commissioner Stern was talking about, kind of next steps and from | 01:07:43 | |
what I'm hearing from you, if we have concerns about specific areas or specific modes of transportation, well, bikes, pedestrian | 01:07:50 | |
in this case. | 01:07:56 | |
That probably the best way to start something is to work with staff. | 01:08:04 | |
PG staff and then in turn. | 01:08:10 | |
With with your you and your staff to to start, start things moving. Is that, is that correct? That's correct. | 01:08:14 | |
Oh, go ahead. | 01:08:26 | |
Did we lose it? Anyway, I really appreciate the presentation. I understand you're going to be making another presentation or this | 01:08:34 | |
presentation to another group in town, and I think that's great. | 01:08:40 | |
And. | 01:08:48 | |
Yeah. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. | 01:08:50 | |
Thank you so much for having me. | 01:08:55 | |
All righty. | 01:08:58 | |
So moving on, actually that's the end of our program tonight. | 01:09:01 | |
Our next meeting is September 24th and it is 509 and we're adjourned. | 01:09:09 |
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Welcome to the Traffic Safety Commission meeting Tuesday, August 27th. We have a roll call please. | 00:00:00 | |
Commissioner Greening. | 00:00:18 | |
Chairman Gunby, Commissioner Brown here. Chairman, I'm sorry, Commissioner Brock. | 00:00:22 | |
And Commissioner Stern. | 00:00:30 | |
Thank you. | 00:00:32 | |
So First off, approval of the agenda, do we have any changes to the agenda as? | 00:00:35 | |
Submitted. | 00:00:42 | |
The lady from the Commission staff, no changes. | 00:00:47 | |
All right, can we? | 00:00:52 | |
OK. We have AI. Second, we have a motion and a second to approve the agenda as submitted. Can we have a roll call please? | 00:00:57 | |
Commissioner Greening. | 00:01:05 | |
Yes. Commissioner Shamas. Yes. Chairman Gumby. Commissioner Brown. Commissioner Proc. Yes. Commissioner Stern. Yes. | 00:01:08 | |
Thank you. Agenda has been approved and it's the announcement. Do we have a 10C? | 00:01:18 | |
There was no meeting in August, so no announcements. OK, thank you. | 00:01:27 | |
We do have 2A or 2B, excuse me, as the adoption of the protocol for committee recommendations. | 00:01:32 | |
So if we could put this up on the screen, this is a. | 00:01:38 | |
Process where the City Council recently approved a the process to. | 00:01:44 | |
For committees, commissions and boards to ask a request the Council take action on particular items. | 00:01:55 | |
And we'll process and try to get that on. We're not going to go through the entire thing, but it just you let people. | 00:02:13 | |
Understand that. | 00:02:21 | |
So there is a link on the. | 00:02:28 | |
On the website for this. | 00:02:31 | |
OK. | 00:02:39 | |
And so essentially the process is essentially an application where the particular border Commission can propose an item, vote on | 00:02:40 | |
the item, and if approved, move that item to. | 00:02:48 | |
A to discuss with the particular boards liaison and then bring that to the City manager. | 00:02:59 | |
And discuss the the potential of bringing that to the full council for for their action. | 00:03:09 | |
And that's about it, Mr. Chairman. Yes. Is this the one that has a form that you're supposed to fill out? OK. And the form talks | 00:03:18 | |
about the committees, the recommendation, the discussion, the physical impact and the attachments. And then this would go to so | 00:03:26 | |
that you would give that to your council or your council liaison. | 00:03:34 | |
And then meet with the city manager. | 00:03:43 | |
And then discuss the. | 00:03:48 | |
Relevance of going to the City Council or their ultimate decision whether to approve or not approve that particular request. OK, | 00:03:52 | |
but this is for committee committees or commissions for commissions, correct? That's boards and commissions committees to go to | 00:04:01 | |
request the City Council take action on a particular item of. | 00:04:09 | |
Their relevance. OK, Thank you. You're welcome. | 00:04:18 | |
All right, moving on. You have a question too. Go ahead, Commissioner, go ahead. | 00:04:22 | |
Were you ready? | 00:04:32 | |
Thank you. | 00:04:34 | |
So the mayor put this together and in collaboration with the city manager and others, I imagine yes, and presented it. So it's | 00:04:36 | |
he's giving it to us to review. No, it's not. This is City Council has already approved this. | 00:04:44 | |
So this that's nice of them. So the, so we did all of the chair people of the various boards and commissions did meet with the | 00:04:54 | |
city manager and the mayor and discussed the process in general the the mayor and the city manager then put together. | 00:05:03 | |
A presentation and that went to City Council. It was discussed and they approved this process. | 00:05:13 | |
OK, how about but we didn't have a chance to give any input. We don't you only only through me being at the meeting initially with | 00:05:21 | |
the mayor and the city manager. Well, I wish we had been able to know that ahead of time anyway. So my only comment is on this | 00:05:31 | |
form that I'd like to know how to how will the council respond to it? It's not I would like to see something on the. | 00:05:41 | |
Form that that kind of indicates how approved or denied something like that, yeah, how, how or timeliness, you know, something | 00:05:51 | |
like that so that you know we don't just fill out some form and it goes into the ether and that's it. | 00:05:59 | |
So I mean just in terms of of timeliness and and what to expect like what what kind of response do we expect because it could go | 00:06:08 | |
on the agenda if, if our liaison asked for it to be on the agenda as I understand that. | 00:06:16 | |
And so I'm assuming the liaison will respond back to us concerning whatever we put out there. | 00:06:27 | |
Through the form. So yeah, I, I would, I would. The way I would understand it is that we would work with the Liza. If the liaison | 00:06:36 | |
doesn't believe that this is something that the City Council would would go forward on, then that may be it would be. We also have | 00:06:43 | |
the potential of working with the city city manager and getting his input too. And then the decision would be made whether to go | 00:06:50 | |
forward to bring it to City Council. | 00:06:58 | |
Yes, OK. | 00:07:06 | |
And then ultimately the city so so would decide and or another. So are we kind of on a trial basis here to see how this works and | 00:07:08 | |
then because I mean this came out of our being upset that. | 00:07:14 | |
As a traffic Commission, we haven't been included in decisions that some of the City Council members have made and so we this is | 00:07:21 | |
where this came from. | 00:07:28 | |
And So what I'm, what I'm wondering is, shouldn't we be allowed to give feedback on maybe, you know, after half a year or so, you | 00:07:36 | |
know how it's working? Well, I think there's always a possibility that you can come back and, you know, revisit, you know, after | 00:07:44 | |
it's gone, after it's been used a while. I'm not sure I agree with the reasoning behind. | 00:07:52 | |
Why this came up I think, I think staff had been concerned. | 00:08:01 | |
Not just our staff, but other staff from other boards and commissions. | 00:08:05 | |
That they were being requested to do things and they didn't believe that the individual commissions or boards had the authority to | 00:08:12 | |
request that. And so only City Council was was authorized to make those requests. And so this is a vehicle by which we can request | 00:08:20 | |
the City Council to take action. | 00:08:29 | |
But that is still up to City Council to decide that one way or another. | 00:08:38 | |
Right, but but as when I read the role of the committee in the handbook. | 00:08:43 | |
It says the primary function of city committees is to advise informal and formal communication may be used as appropriate and. | 00:08:50 | |
And then it says committee recommendations related to city actions may be presented at City Council meetings as individual agenda | 00:09:00 | |
items. | 00:09:05 | |
So it you know, we do it says we do have a duty to advise. And so this is the form that we're so this is requesting the council to | 00:09:10 | |
take action. So if we say, well, we want a we want a roundabout at at sunset in Congress academic now and the City Council said | 00:09:20 | |
no, then that would be it. And but if we requested them to do it and they and they agreed to and now they. | 00:09:30 | |
We did not, we did not. No, we're not directing. We are, we are giving our recommendations. So two different things though. So | 00:09:40 | |
staff was. | 00:09:45 | |
Believed in some cases that they were being directed to do things. They did not believe that the various boards and commissions | 00:09:50 | |
had that authority. And that's where this, that's my understanding of where this document came from. | 00:09:58 | |
And this is a formal request from a particular board. | 00:10:06 | |
Or Commission to City Council to take action on a particular item, OK. | 00:10:11 | |
So it's a little bit different than. | 00:10:18 | |
Just suggest making a recommendation. We make recommendations. We've made a lot of various recommendations as far as maintenance | 00:10:20 | |
items and things like that. I. | 00:10:25 | |
That did not require council. | 00:10:31 | |
Approval. | 00:10:36 | |
But other things went beyond that. For instance, in our in our particular case. | 00:10:37 | |
OK, I. | 00:10:44 | |
So you're saying there's there is a way to direct staff? | 00:10:47 | |
Beyond this, I mean, no, this is it, this form going through or council liaison and the city manager and developing a potentially | 00:10:52 | |
an agenda item for City Council that would be the the way to request the formal way to request City Council take action on a | 00:10:59 | |
particular item. | 00:11:07 | |
OK. And these are larger and these, I don't know exactly what the monetary limit is. I think it's like over $5000. So if we're | 00:11:16 | |
requesting public works to do something that costs more than $5000? | 00:11:23 | |
And they don't have that in their specific budget already. Then this would be the way for us to. | 00:11:32 | |
To make that formal request through City Council and then City Council would actually make that take that action. | 00:11:40 | |
Mr. Chairman, I've got a follow-up question. I think Commissioners also asked a question or asked a question that I'd like to have | 00:11:48 | |
answered, and that is I, I, I apologize, I haven't looked at the guidelines for this. | 00:11:55 | |
But is there any time period in which either the liaison or someone else is to get back to the committees of the commissions? | 00:12:02 | |
With regard to an application, well, we have a maybe if we could have our council liaison come to our come to the podium and. | 00:12:13 | |
If they have some more information. | 00:12:23 | |
This is. | 00:12:28 | |
I'll also give my report, but first let me. | 00:12:31 | |
I thought I it could have been explained that to you. | 00:12:35 | |
On it earlier that we had approved that on the council this forum maybe it was the museum board of mobile so lays on a museum | 00:12:40 | |
board. Maybe I told them about it so so I'll tell you about it so the mayor proposed this and in working with the chair said with | 00:12:50 | |
city manager and I got to let you know in my opinion it's in its infancy stage I mean it's. | 00:12:59 | |
Or is on the line and it may be, you know, once it we start getting some forms in from different committees it it may have to be | 00:13:10 | |
tweaked. | 00:13:15 | |
And but I'm not saying it's going to be, but some of the items that and I'll just use. | 00:13:21 | |
Beth Chamas, for example. | 00:13:28 | |
You were working on some goals, if I remember right or am I right that the Commission was working on some goals and if those were | 00:13:31 | |
to put on the form and then I would bring it to the normally I would bring it to the mayor and decide what should we put it on? | 00:13:40 | |
Should we just put it on the consent item? And consent items are usually, you know, one through 8. | 00:13:48 | |
Are approved, there are items that aren't really discussed and but if there's some action that needs to be done, then it would be | 00:13:58 | |
brought to the the mayor and the city manager and then we go with that form and the form goes to the liaison. You're right, Chair | 00:14:07 | |
Gundy goes to me and then I would forward it to the mayor or upstairs to the city manager and then it would go from there. | 00:14:15 | |
But it depends what the what what. | 00:14:25 | |
The items could be too. And just like I said, I'm liaison the museum board and they may have something. I I just don't know. I | 00:14:28 | |
would, if you turn to the forum into me, let's just say you decided to do something. I would definitely take it and bring it | 00:14:35 | |
directly to the city manager and the mayor. And the mayor usually is the I don't want to call him. He's the gatekeeper on some of | 00:14:42 | |
these. | 00:14:48 | |
Agenda items, but they do work on the agenda items together with the city manager. | 00:14:55 | |
So I don't know if that explained. | 00:14:59 | |
It's like I said, it's still, it's an emphasis stage, but it was the first one, but we had some discussion about it, but we did | 00:15:03 | |
approve the form, so. | 00:15:07 | |
If you have any questions, I was at that meeting when you did. Oh, OK, OK. I mean, I know that I just, I wasn't aware that the | 00:15:13 | |
chair had already had a meeting and and was, you know, advising about this form. So, you know, I'm, well, we didn't have the form. | 00:15:20 | |
So. Well, I mean, that you had a meet. You said you had a meeting. Yeah. All the all the chairman of all the boards and | 00:15:26 | |
commissions met with the mayor and the city manager. | 00:15:33 | |
I was unaware of that. I never had any communication about that that happened. So I'm. | 00:15:42 | |
Apologize for, you know, being a little bit behind the ball then, because I had no idea that that's that's fine, but it would be | 00:15:48 | |
good to know. I mean, I feel like this has happened before where meetings, you know, I maybe I don't understand the role of the | 00:15:56 | |
chairperson exactly, but I feel like sometimes that we don't, the rest of the Commission is not knowing what's really happening | 00:16:03 | |
because we haven't been advised about whatever meetings. | 00:16:11 | |
So part of that is we can't talk about it ahead of time and I can't talk about it because there's Brown Act, potential Brown Act | 00:16:20 | |
violations. So this particular one was requested by the mayor and city manager. And like I said, all of the the. | 00:16:28 | |
The and I thought I had mentioned it one of at the next at our next meeting that I had gone to this meeting with the. | 00:16:37 | |
I should have made the announcement. I don't remember that. OK, well, I said this is brand new, so it's it hasn't been tried yet. | 00:16:45 | |
I don't think anybody's turned one in yet. So right. And I so and like let's see how it works under the impression that. | 00:16:51 | |
That we were going to try this and yeah, well, I think that's it. Yeah, I think that's where we are so. | 00:16:58 | |
Councilman. | 00:17:06 | |
I take it that you did not lay down any specific requirements in terms of response time or anything like that at this point, this | 00:17:08 | |
is just an experiment. Yeah, well, it's the forum for now. There was, but there was no timeline in regards to, for example, Mr. | 00:17:15 | |
Brown, if you decide to, you know, fill out the form, give it to the chair and the chair gives it to to me and then I, I couldn't | 00:17:22 | |
give you a timeline other than. | 00:17:30 | |
If I if, if we had to, if I had to give you an estimate, if it comes to me and there's a council meeting for example next week, it | 00:17:38 | |
would probably go on the agenda for two weeks from now. So I would say three or four weeks, we would probably it would go to the | 00:17:44 | |
council. We probably have an answer for you when I come back to the last line. I just wanted the clarification that there was no | 00:17:50 | |
specific. | 00:17:56 | |
Direction or instruction in terms of the amount of time. | 00:18:03 | |
No, for responses. No, there is no response. I'm I'm just giving you my estimate. Yeah, understand. Thank you. OK. | 00:18:07 | |
Did you want me to give you my report segue into your council report? That would be great. | 00:18:15 | |
Well, the Small business interpreters presentation was given to us by Roger Gilbert, Central Coast Director of Small Businesses. | 00:18:21 | |
It was a very interesting. | 00:18:27 | |
I do know that. | 00:18:35 | |
We usually give during the council meetings. We usually give a. | 00:18:38 | |
Council, if anybody has anything to say, unfortunately we were a little, little pressed for time, but I I did have a couple things | 00:18:42 | |
I wanted to mention if anybody watched the Olympics. | 00:18:47 | |
There was 11 year old. | 00:18:54 | |
Female. | 00:18:56 | |
That won gold in the skateboard contest, which was really, and if anybody noticed, the BMX bicycles. | 00:18:58 | |
I don't know how they do that, turn the wheel around and everything, but that was the other comment I was going to be made and | 00:19:07 | |
then. | 00:19:11 | |
And the car week, of course, I was going to talk about that and there I think everybody pretty much understood that was pretty | 00:19:16 | |
exciting. They are in the businesses on the park. Let's were slammed if any of you've seen that. So anyway, going on, I don't want | 00:19:23 | |
to hold you up here. I one of those consent items was pulled Monarch sanctuary report and it was received the report and it was | 00:19:30 | |
discussed and the report was received. | 00:19:38 | |
George first put the environmental program manager put that together. | 00:19:45 | |
We also have the city Pacific Groves conflict of interest dealing with. | 00:19:51 | |
The city attorney was going to explain what that ordinance was going to be, conflict of interest as there was, but he tabled it. | 00:19:58 | |
We're going to see it. We're going to see it again. So that was not discussed at all. There was a motion of authorized city | 00:20:06 | |
manager to request for proposals for opening up a cannabis shop. I'm sure you probably heard about that. | 00:20:14 | |
There was a memo memorandum of understanding which was approved with the City of Pacific Grove Police Officers Association. | 00:20:23 | |
There was also a master services purchasing. | 00:20:32 | |
Agreement with Axon Enterprises and that was approved by the Commander Anderson who presented it and did fantastic job on that. | 00:20:36 | |
There was a decision on on the sidewalks at Pine and Fountain where the Robert Downey school is and that's already been. | 00:20:46 | |
That was discussed already. The sidewalks, I mean the crosswalks are in, but what Mr. Go and the civil engineer is going to do is | 00:20:56 | |
reevaluate it and see if some other crosswalks or something needs to be put in. That will be up to the staff to to handle. And | 00:21:03 | |
then also. | 00:21:10 | |
Also, there was a dear awareness with Carmelita Garcia. She gave a presentation on that. | 00:21:20 | |
So do you have any questions else about that? All right, great. Thank you. Thank you. | 00:21:25 | |
All right, moving along to general public comment and our written communications. We had a an e-mail from some, I don't have their | 00:21:32 | |
name in front of it, but concerning unsafe passing and speeding on Patterson Lane. | 00:21:41 | |
Had another e-mail. | 00:21:51 | |
Concerning adding a stop sign on Forest at Laurel in downtown, Two stop signs I guess, actually. | 00:21:55 | |
And then on the 500 block of force, again another speeding issue. | 00:22:03 | |
And Sunset Maple and 17 Mile drive traffic complaint. I think this had to do with. | 00:22:11 | |
Signage to help people understand who's. | 00:22:21 | |
Who goes when? | 00:22:27 | |
It's another five way intersection that can be confusing to some folks. | 00:22:29 | |
And then finally 810 Lighthouse, there was an issue there with pavement or the herb painting and for. | 00:22:34 | |
Enlarge the. | 00:22:44 | |
Passenger loading zone. | 00:22:46 | |
Curb aint. | 00:22:49 | |
And then moving on for oral communications, do we have anybody online who wishes to make a comment? I think we have A at least a | 00:22:51 | |
couple. | 00:22:56 | |
OK, Inga. | 00:23:09 | |
Thank you, Chair Gumby. | 00:23:11 | |
I'm sure you're all aware that I did send the Traffic and Safety Commission a letter which is not published, but it was thanking, | 00:23:15 | |
especially the city manager, because these next letters at this meeting have a link and we can actually read them. And that's | 00:23:24 | |
really all I wanted was to have that reinstated so that we, the public can. | 00:23:33 | |
Read the raw data and be able to comment. | 00:23:43 | |
On them intelligently, and I appreciate that very much, that that has suddenly come back. | 00:23:47 | |
And also in that is because I don't know, I know the next one is approval of the minutes, but in that same e-mail of mine. | 00:23:56 | |
Somehow I was completely left out of the minutes after Carmel Carmelita Garcia's comments, and this was about bringing letters | 00:24:07 | |
back the links so that we could read them. I was completely left out. | 00:24:14 | |
And I don't know if those are actually going to be corrected and how that is posted because I sent the letter way in time that | 00:24:21 | |
they could have been corrected before this meeting. So I would like to know how this board responds to that. And I also had to | 00:24:30 | |
send in. Did you receive it? Because no one even acknowledged that they had received. | 00:24:40 | |
My letter, whether it was staff or members of the Commission, nobody even acknowledged it. So if you wonder what's going wrong, | 00:24:50 | |
it's called communication. | 00:24:55 | |
Hearing something beforehand, being able to see something, commenting, acknowledging. | 00:25:02 | |
So. | 00:25:09 | |
I'd like to acknowledge you here for being here and listening and say that I would like to know how that's going to be taken care | 00:25:10 | |
of in the next agenda item. Thank you very much. | 00:25:17 | |
All righty, thank you and just comment there on the thank you to the her e-mail to thank you to the city manager. | 00:25:25 | |
It came in actually about an hour and a half after the agenda was published. That's why it's not on today's agenda. | 00:25:36 | |
So moving on to anyone else on line. | 00:25:42 | |
Yeah, but we're looking, we're doing the online folks 1st and we'll do the. | 00:25:49 | |
Garcia in just one moment. | 00:25:53 | |
Go ahead, Carmelita. | 00:25:55 | |
Hi there, good afternoon. Thank you for your service. I have a couple of comments. Yes, thank you very much for posting the actual | 00:25:58 | |
emails online. Again, I think it's very important that the public get the whole story so quickly. If you go down Union Street to | 00:26:06 | |
16th St. which is a one way St. towards Ocean View, there's no signage alerting the driver, no right hand turn or left hand turn | 00:26:13 | |
only. | 00:26:20 | |
I was there the day they made a right hand turn going in the wrong direction with the car driving towards them going the correct | 00:26:29 | |
direction. So I did send in a service request and I was referred to the Traffic Safety Commission. My question is being if the | 00:26:36 | |
Commission is going to go on a quarterly basis of review. | 00:26:42 | |
I'm wondering, you know, this seems to be like a quick fix and why it would not be addressed sooner or later. So that's my comment | 00:26:50 | |
there with regards to Robert Down and the stop sign and the removal of stop signs and what have you, and that the engineer, city | 00:26:57 | |
engineer and public works will go back to revisit that. My hope is that you, the Traffic Safety Commission will have the | 00:27:05 | |
opportunity to review the. | 00:27:12 | |
Scenes before they go to City Council because I think it's imperative that you as a Traffic Safety Commission weigh in on on what | 00:27:20 | |
is about to be presented to the City Council. And I know the council is in a big hurry to try and get this corrected and you know | 00:27:27 | |
they they want it sooner than later and whether or not this would delay that I don't know. But again, I think it's really | 00:27:35 | |
imperative that you as a Traffic Safety Commission look at at this because you didn't get. | 00:27:42 | |
Opportunity to look at it the first time around. So thank you very much. That's all I have to say. Thank you. All right, before | 00:27:50 | |
you go, that was a union. What was that first intersection, that union, Union at 16th Street, right. OK, thank you. You're | 00:27:56 | |
welcome. | 00:28:01 | |
All right, anyone else on line that wishing to make a comment? | 00:28:10 | |
No one else online? All righty. Anyone in the audience wishing to make comments? | 00:28:17 | |
Please step up to the. | 00:28:23 | |
Podium. | 00:28:26 | |
My name is Donald Rotella and I'm the one that submitted the fifth one on the agenda, which was regarding 810 Lighthouse Ave. | 00:28:28 | |
That's what regarding the parking, because the new law and having it required to have, I would believe it's like 20 feet of red | 00:28:37 | |
zone at the corners. They paint it red, but because they did that, there's a small area there now where. | 00:28:46 | |
Vehicles could park. | 00:28:55 | |
Between the passenger loading zone and the red zone. But that area is so small that hardly it has to be a really small car that | 00:28:57 | |
fits there. So what they do is a regular SUV will block the passenger zone. So then a person cannot get in the passenger zone, | 00:29:05 | |
they cannot park in there, or if they do, they try to get in there and they block traffic and it blocks Lighthouse Ave. So I was | 00:29:12 | |
really concerned about that. | 00:29:19 | |
To remediate that issue, if they either extended the passenger white passenger loading zone all the way to the red zone. | 00:29:27 | |
Or if they started it with the red zone and moved it back, that would remediate the issue. Oh, you were going to say something. | 00:29:34 | |
Oh, oh, OK, I saw you put your hand. So I thought, OK, so anyway, so that's that's the issue. And because I live those are | 00:29:42 | |
condominiums, 22, a lot of them are elderly people, retired people. So some are in have walkers and canes and so forth. So they | 00:29:49 | |
need to be able to get. | 00:29:57 | |
That area have someone pick them up even the mailman says he has a hard time getting in there because the car that's parked in | 00:30:04 | |
that small area between the red zone and the passenger, you can such a small area and then the area behind right next to adjacent | 00:30:12 | |
to the passenger loading zone. A lot of those cars move up and park partially on the white zone. So if they extended it all the | 00:30:19 | |
way to the red zone or like I said started it with the red zone and. | 00:30:27 | |
Back and if it's, you know, according to the ordinance or law that they have to have a certain amount of space, they can always do | 00:30:35 | |
that, but start at the red zone. | 00:30:38 | |
So that was my concern. I was directed to five different departments, from code enforcement to the Fresno Police Department, to | 00:30:42 | |
the city manager, to the city administration, finally to the Traffic Safety Commission. So no one knew who to contact until I | 00:30:50 | |
finally got hold of someone that says it was, I think those sitting manager and Mr. Go GHO, they told me to contact the Safety | 00:30:57 | |
Traffic Commission. | 00:31:04 | |
All right. Thank you. And I think Mr. go ahead. You'd already forwarded that to the traffic engineer. | 00:31:12 | |
That's correct. His review began today. There you go. So it's in the process. | 00:31:21 | |
Anyone else in the audience wishing to make any comments? | 00:31:27 | |
I do not have a timeline, Sir. | 00:31:37 | |
I don't have a timeline. I haven't been able to touch base with staff on that. | 00:31:39 | |
Yeah, when we get a recommendation from our traffic engineer, then he'll create a work order and crews will go out and make the | 00:31:44 | |
appropriate improvement. | 00:31:49 | |
All righty. Mr. Chairman, just just as a follow up to that, is there a way that we can keep this on the agenda to make sure that | 00:31:56 | |
there's follow through on this in a timely manner? | 00:32:02 | |
I guess you can bring it up at the next at our next meeting if you wish. | 00:32:10 | |
What would it fit under? New business, Old business, make it. Old business you can make a. | 00:32:14 | |
Ask it during during the general public comment. You can. | 00:32:20 | |
OK, we can be flexible. | 00:32:25 | |
Thank you. | 00:32:27 | |
Welcome. All righty, Moving on. We'll close public comment. Moving on to the minutes. | 00:32:28 | |
Do we have any? | 00:32:38 | |
Revisions to the minutes. | 00:32:41 | |
I'll propose that we revise and add Inga's name to the the portion of it with Carmelita Garcia's. | 00:32:47 | |
I did. I did have it written down in my notes and I didn't put it in because I basically had that. She was agreeing with | 00:33:00 | |
Carmelita. That's fine. So. | 00:33:05 | |
We can say that Inga was in agreement with. | 00:33:11 | |
The roundabout written, public comments to be published and the Traffic Safety committee being. | 00:33:17 | |
No, that's just it that she wanted the written public comments to be published. OK. And so I'll move that we approve that. Do we | 00:33:30 | |
have a second? | 00:33:35 | |
I've already closed public comment. | 00:33:43 | |
So do I have a second? | 00:33:49 | |
OK, it's been moved. And seconded that we revised the minutes to show that Inga Dominson, Lorenson Dahmer, excuse me. | 00:33:52 | |
That. | 00:34:01 | |
Will add her name to the minutes concerning the roundabout conversation that she agreed with Carmelita Garcia, correct? | 00:34:03 | |
Yes, all right. | 00:34:13 | |
Can we have a roll call vote please? | 00:34:15 | |
Commissioner Greening, Commissioner Shamas, Chairman Gumby, Commissioner Brown, Commissioner Stern. | 00:34:18 | |
All right, moving on to the regular agenda and we have a presentation. It's going to be an online presentation. There she is from | 00:34:28 | |
Ariata Green. She's a principal transportation planner from TMC. And this is going to concern Safe Routes to School and Complete | 00:34:34 | |
Streets. | 00:34:40 | |
And the PowerPoint is available online. We're going to try to show that too, while she's speaking. | 00:34:47 | |
So let's hang on for just a second. Let's get it on if we can get. | 00:34:57 | |
The PowerPoint Online. | 00:35:02 | |
Or however we can do it, it's fine with me. | 00:35:11 | |
Well, while while the PowerPoint is being pulled up, can you all hear me OK? | 00:35:19 | |
Excellent. | 00:35:25 | |
So hang on, staff, are you trying to get it online because it's. | 00:35:26 | |
Miss Green, do you plan on presenting from and sharing from your computer, or would you like us to pull that up? I can if needed. | 00:35:31 | |
That'd be great because I don't have it readily available. Thank you. No problem. | 00:35:38 | |
Sorry for the yeah, no worries. | 00:35:45 | |
OK. | 00:35:57 | |
Perfect. And we see it clearly. Thank you very much. | 00:35:59 | |
OK, everyone can see my screen. We do see a presenter mode, so we're seeing your notes as well as the. | 00:36:04 | |
We're seeing next slide. | 00:36:17 | |
There we go. | 00:36:25 | |
Yeah, technology. | 00:36:27 | |
Thank you all for accommodating me tonight. I had some, my childcare fell through this evening last minute, so I really appreciate | 00:36:31 | |
the opportunity to still be able to present to you tonight. My name is Ariana Green. I'm a principal transportation planner with | 00:36:39 | |
the Transportation Agency for Monterey County. And tonight we're going to touch on some buzzwords that you may have been. | 00:36:47 | |
Hearing. | 00:36:57 | |
Umm, so this is going to be a high level presentation and our staff will be coming back to this Commission in the near future to | 00:36:58 | |
talk more about some of these. But tonight I want everyone to be able to walk away with a general understanding of complete safe | 00:37:07 | |
Routes to school, complete streets and Vision Zero. And then I also just wanted to talk a little bit about some. | 00:37:16 | |
Some barriers and opportunities to bringing these things to Pacific Grove. | 00:37:26 | |
But before we dive into that, I just want to make sure everyone in the room and in the audience knows who we are. Where the | 00:37:35 | |
transportation agency for Monterey County. We are a regional transportation planning agency, and we're designated by the state and | 00:37:43 | |
responsible for planning and funding transportation projects only in Monterey County. | 00:37:51 | |
And we work on a variety of different transportation projects. | 00:37:59 | |
From rail to complete streets to bike, walk, biking, walking to Hwy. projects and supporting projects that cross multiple | 00:38:03 | |
jurisdictions in the county. | 00:38:10 | |
We have a pretty large board. We have 23 members made-up of all. | 00:38:18 | |
Of the Board of Supervisors and representatives from each of the incorporated cities in Monterey County Council Member Podori is | 00:38:24 | |
our representative from Pacific Grove and we also have seven ex officio members serving on our board, including Monterey Salinas | 00:38:32 | |
Transit and the Air District, CSU, Monterey Bay, et cetera. | 00:38:40 | |
So lots of, lots of powerful people in the room helping us make our important transportation decisions. | 00:38:48 | |
And my main role at the agency is that I oversee our countrywide Safe Routes to School program. So what our program, our program | 00:38:59 | |
is funded through Measure X, which is passed in 2016 by the Monterey County voters. And we have $20 million / 30 years dedicated | 00:39:06 | |
to the Safe Routes to School program. | 00:39:14 | |
We, and then what we do with the program is we dedicate roughly half of our budget to changing the actual physical infrastructure | 00:39:23 | |
to better accommodate, to make it safer and more comfortable for kids to get to and from school. | 00:39:32 | |
And then the other roughly half of the budget is spent on non infrastructure education and encouragement programming. We're also | 00:39:41 | |
an important goal of our program is to be equitable. So we've been focusing on our most serving, our most transportation | 00:39:49 | |
disadvantaged communities. | 00:39:58 | |
In the county, first people who don't have access to a car, who have limited transportation. | 00:40:07 | |
Options. | 00:40:13 | |
And then? | 00:40:15 | |
Really the overarching goal are why for the program is, is we want every child to be able to walk safely and comfortably anywhere | 00:40:18 | |
in their community. So that's the ultimate goal. And when we can design our streets to be comfortable and safe for children, then | 00:40:26 | |
what we're really doing is we're making them safe, safe and comfortable for everybody, people of all ages. | 00:40:35 | |
And abilities. | 00:40:44 | |
So. | 00:40:45 | |
We're so everybody benefits is I guess what I'm trying to say. So there are we focus on improving safety. | 00:40:47 | |
Traffic is a big issue around schools. Lots of people drive their kids to schools now there are health benefits, long lasting life | 00:40:56 | |
long lasting health benefits and then there's also benefits to the environment. So there's there is a lot of focus on reducing | 00:41:04 | |
drive alone trips to and from school and an emphasis on encouraging. | 00:41:12 | |
Active transportation like walking and biking, as well as. | 00:41:20 | |
Carpooling and transit options. | 00:41:25 | |
So that's the high level complete streets or Saint Ross's school. | 00:41:31 | |
And, and now we're moving on to Complete Streets. And there is a lot of overlap actually between Complete Streets and our Safe | 00:41:37 | |
Routes to School program because Complete Streets is all about designing with all users in mind. So thinking about people of all | 00:41:45 | |
ages and abilities when we're designing our streets. | 00:41:53 | |
This is an example of what a complete St. might look like. | 00:42:02 | |
But I do want to say that Complete Streets is not about making every street look like this. It's about recognizing that there are | 00:42:06 | |
some streets where cars will have priority, and there will be other streets where bicyclists and pedestrians will have priority | 00:42:14 | |
over cars. But right now, I think the reality for a lot of streets is that cars have the priority and there hasn't been a lot of | 00:42:21 | |
thought about everybody else. | 00:42:29 | |
So Complete Streets is kind of pushing back on on what's existing and seeing if there are ways that we can improve. | 00:42:36 | |
Improve comfort and safety and access for more more people who are using the street. | 00:42:46 | |
And for streets that are like main streets where everybody needs to like lots of people use them because they provide the most | 00:42:53 | |
direct access to jobs and schools and, you know, all the important things in a community centers and City Hall, we want to make | 00:43:01 | |
sure that everybody, ideally all users. | 00:43:08 | |
Have good access on those streets and it might mean. | 00:43:16 | |
If you've got streets where there are higher speeds, then you might need more protection for bicycles and and pedestrians. So in | 00:43:21 | |
this picture we've got. | 00:43:26 | |
Plus, we've got transit, we have cars and we have bikes, but we have a physical separation between the bikes and the cars on the | 00:43:32 | |
street. | 00:43:37 | |
One of the biggest challenges of Complete Streets is, especially in a city like Pacific Grove, is that your infrastructure is | 00:43:43 | |
built out. So like you have buildings on either side of the roadway. So what that means is that when you try and do Complete | 00:43:49 | |
Streets project, there are going to be trade-offs. | 00:43:56 | |
Because you only have so much St. real estate to work with. So something's to make room more room for one user like a like a | 00:44:03 | |
bicyclist. That may mean giving up some real estate that has been dedicated to cars. So be that parking, be that narrowing lanes. | 00:44:11 | |
There's usually some some sort of a trade off there. So that's the hardest part about implementing company streets. | 00:44:19 | |
And I just wanted to call out that the city of Pacific Grove already has a planning document that that includes Complete streets | 00:44:29 | |
recommendations and that's the Pacific Grove Hwy. 68 corridor. So this is a proposal for street for Sunset Dr. what Sunset Dr. | 00:44:37 | |
could look like and. | 00:44:45 | |
Give to create a more comfortable space for. | 00:44:54 | |
Cyclists and pedestrians. | 00:44:59 | |
OK. And now we're moving on to Vision 0. So I'm not going to talk a ton about Vision Zero because our agency is getting ready to, | 00:45:05 | |
we're we're getting ready to start a Vision Zero county wide Vision Zero plan. | 00:45:13 | |
Which will include the city of Pacific Grove. So my colleague Doug Bilsey, our our Campsie traffic engineer will be coming back to | 00:45:23 | |
the Commission to get your input and to work with you to develop the Vision Zero plan for Pacific Grove. But essentially the goal | 00:45:31 | |
of Vision 0 is. | 00:45:40 | |
To reduce the number of traffic related. | 00:45:49 | |
Injuries and fatalities to 0. So it's really looking through. | 00:45:53 | |
Transportation planning and engineering through this lens that that really prioritizes safety above above all else. And there's a | 00:46:01 | |
number of ways that you can achieve a Vision Zero and this so this diagram is actually from the city of Monterey's Vision Zero | 00:46:08 | |
plan. | 00:46:15 | |
And so they have identified 4 main quadrants to focus on to to meet to reach this goal of 0. | 00:46:23 | |
Fatalities and injuries. So you want to have safe design roads that are safe. You want to have design roads that lower speeds. | 00:46:33 | |
You want people to be educated so they know how to get around safely and you want the vehicles themselves to be safe and and drive | 00:46:43 | |
worthy. And then one of our main focuses, this diagram shows why speed is just so important to achieve Vision 0. | 00:46:54 | |
Speed. | 00:47:07 | |
Affects the way the driver really effects drivers vision. So at the top you can see this is the vision that driver has driving 20 | 00:47:08 | |
mph. So you're driving slower so you can see a lot more around you and you're you need for your reaction time you need less. | 00:47:18 | |
Time to stop. Let's say if a child darts out in the road in front of you and then as you can see as you go down the diagram, the | 00:47:29 | |
speeds are getting faster and faster and your your tunnel vision is getting smaller and smaller and your reaction time is getting | 00:47:37 | |
or your reaction distance you need to stop is getting larger and larger. | 00:47:45 | |
And so the result of of this is if you pedestrians, if they're hit. | 00:47:54 | |
Crossing the street by a car that's going 40 mph, they're 80% more likely to be killed or have a severe injury versus 10%. | 00:48:02 | |
Who pedestrians are likely for those things if they're hit by a car going 20 mph. So it's pretty significant. | 00:48:19 | |
That's why speed is so important. | 00:48:29 | |
So I pulled a a report just till I was curious to to find out where. | 00:48:35 | |
Where bicycles and pedestrian Where the bicycles and pedestrian crashes have been happening in Pacific Grove over the past roughly | 00:48:43 | |
decade. And so this map shows shows the spots where people have been hit by cars and the red spots are where multiple collisions | 00:48:50 | |
have happened. So you can see. | 00:48:57 | |
That I'm not sure if you can see my cursor or not, but most of the collisions have been happening along Forest Ave. | 00:49:04 | |
We have some along Sunset Drive here. | 00:49:15 | |
And then on lighthouse. | 00:49:21 | |
And it looks like some of these are maybe on the trail, but and then lighthouse, so another you might, you can see that a lot of | 00:49:24 | |
these collisions happen at the intersections and intersections are are the most dangerous place for pedestrians and bicyclists | 00:49:32 | |
because they're more likely to that's where they're more likely to be hit. So. | 00:49:41 | |
If you want to improve safety. | 00:49:51 | |
We focus on the intersections, but really it looks like you have some opportunity here to focus on some corridors and making | 00:49:54 | |
corridor wide improvements. | 00:50:00 | |
Throughout the city. Pine was another one that I flagged here. | 00:50:07 | |
And then this graph just breaks down the percentage of pedestrians versus bicyclists. So I was surprised actually, because | 00:50:16 | |
normally we see a lot more pedestrians of pedestrian crashes versus bicyclists, but. | 00:50:24 | |
So. So this was a little bit surprising. | 00:50:34 | |
Especially considering how hilly you guys, how hilly Pacific Grove is. So you've got some strong bicyclists in the community, but | 00:50:37 | |
this might suggest that. | 00:50:42 | |
That you might want to consider some improved bicycle facilities in the city. | 00:50:48 | |
So we've, I've kind of been talking about some barriers and opportunities throughout the presentation, but I just wanted to touch | 00:50:58 | |
on a couple more. So I think one of the biggest barriers for the for Pacific Grove is funding, grant funding what we've been | 00:51:04 | |
seeing. | 00:51:11 | |
Over the past. | 00:51:19 | |
Like 6. | 00:51:23 | |
Funding cycles for active transportation, bicycle pedestrian grants is that there's really been an emphasis on serving | 00:51:24 | |
disadvantaged communities, quote UN quote disadvantaged communities. And based off of the criteria the grants use, Pacific Grove | 00:51:32 | |
is not a competitive candidate. So in terms of being considered a disadvantaged community, so that that's definitely going to be a | 00:51:39 | |
challenge. | 00:51:47 | |
I think I see that as a challenge for Pacific growth. | 00:51:55 | |
But I think that some opportunities that you have are you have some existing planning documents already that have analyzed some of | 00:51:59 | |
the major corridors in the city. And we've got the the Vision Zero plan coming that will do will allow for even more analysis on | 00:52:09 | |
streets throughout the city and really focus on safety and figuring out projects that can improve safety. | 00:52:19 | |
Throughout the city. | 00:52:29 | |
And then there are there are things that can be done for with local dollars and there are improvements that that can be done for. | 00:52:32 | |
That don't cost millions and millions of dollars, so. | 00:52:45 | |
One of the things that we've been. | 00:52:50 | |
Experimenting with through our Safe Routes to School plans is we've been doing temporary St. demonstrations so where we for a | 00:52:53 | |
shorter period of time will redesign. | 00:53:01 | |
A section of roadway, a block or a couple blocks or an intersection and we'll try out a complete streets design and we. | 00:53:11 | |
We collect data, we collect surveys from the community to find out what the commute, how the community feels about the new design, | 00:53:25 | |
whether they like it or not. | 00:53:29 | |
But these can be done. | 00:53:35 | |
Pretty inexpensively. And and then if the community doesn't like it, the beauty of it is that it can be taken out. Everything is | 00:53:38 | |
removable. | 00:53:43 | |
So this is something that. | 00:53:48 | |
That could be done in Pacific Grove. | 00:53:53 | |
And on several streets. And it's something that our agency would be happy to work with staff on to identify opportunities for if | 00:53:57 | |
that's of interest to the Commission and the City Council. | 00:54:04 | |
So here's another example of protected bike lane that we demonstrated in Seaside. | 00:54:15 | |
And next to a. | 00:54:22 | |
One of the elementaries? One of their elementary schools. | 00:54:25 | |
And that concludes my presentation. I'd be happy to answer questions or clarify anything for you. Thank you. Great. Thank you. | 00:54:29 | |
That was great. If you can keep your PowerPoint up, that would be great also. | 00:54:37 | |
Staff, do we have anyone online who's has their hand up? | 00:54:46 | |
No. | 00:54:52 | |
All righty and video in the audience wishing to make a comment or ask a question. | 00:54:54 | |
All right, Any Commissioners wishing to make a comment or ask a question? Commissioner Shamas, thank you. I have a question about | 00:55:00 | |
what about grants for seniors or disabled because. | 00:55:08 | |
Pacific Grove may not fall into certain other categories for grants, but probably senior citizens might do it. | 00:55:16 | |
I'm just wondering if that was another option that we could look at. | 00:55:28 | |
Yeah, we definitely can. Can look into that. There aren't any specific grants that I'm aware of for infrastructure, if that's what | 00:55:33 | |
you're meaning, if that's what you're meaning, we do have, our agency does have a seniors and disabled grant program or like | 00:55:42 | |
transportation services for seniors. So we do that is an active program that's funded through Measure X. | 00:55:50 | |
That's I believe. I believe serves Pacific Grove, but I can double check on that too. | 00:55:59 | |
Yeah. OK. Thank you. | 00:56:06 | |
All right. Any other OK, Vice Vice Chairman Brown? | 00:56:08 | |
I've got a series of questions, I would really appreciate it if you could help me on this I. | 00:56:14 | |
Miss Green, would you go to the bike and pedestrian crashes? | 00:56:19 | |
Slide. | 00:56:26 | |
There are no bars on these, sort of I I don't know. Is that the one you want to describe? Yeah, that's the right. | 00:56:27 | |
So let me make sure I understand this. You collected data from 2012 through 2021. Where do you find this kind of information? | 00:56:33 | |
Yeah, great question, and I'm sorry I did not provide a citation. This is from the Transportation Injury Mapping System. | 00:56:43 | |
And that's it's a site that's put together by UC Berkeley and I can share a link with staff if you're interested in checking it | 00:56:53 | |
out yourself. It's free to access. You just have to set up an account and then you can look up the statewide. | 00:57:02 | |
Traffic data, So all the the data that gets reported from the police departments to the state shows up in the transportation | 00:57:13 | |
Injury mapping system. | 00:57:18 | |
And then you can you can. | 00:57:24 | |
Create maps like this one and. | 00:57:28 | |
Query certain things and it's not just for bicycle and pedestrian data, it's for all crashes. And I look up, there's also you can | 00:57:32 | |
look up all sorts of detailed information about each crash. So, so yeah, I can share that. | 00:57:39 | |
Site. | 00:57:48 | |
Yeah, that would be if you could give us a citation. Yes, it's a great tool and this is what we use for our grant applications | 00:57:50 | |
too. | 00:57:54 | |
OK. | 00:58:00 | |
Following up on that, if you go to the next slide. | 00:58:03 | |
I got confused my. | 00:58:08 | |
My printer doesn't print things out in the right colors. | 00:58:10 | |
Need to change anyone can see I've got pink on this and yellow and and it's supposed to be green and blue so I want to make sure I | 00:58:14 | |
understand this chart. | 00:58:20 | |
So the green is injuries to or you say victims. So we don't know exactly what that means, right? That just means somebody was | 00:58:26 | |
involved in. | 00:58:32 | |
The situation, yeah, for pedestrians, that's what the grain is, right? Yes. So these were pedestrians involved in crashes. OK. | 00:58:39 | |
It means that they've been hit by a car, hit by a car in most cases. There are some rare cases where there are collisions or | 00:58:52 | |
crashes between a bicyclist and a pedestrian, but usually it's between a car, motorized vehicle and a pedestrian or bicyclist. OK. | 00:59:00 | |
And so that's sorry that that's the blue, the pedestrians involved, yes. | 00:59:08 | |
So the Blues bicyclists. | 00:59:17 | |
So 56% of all the crashes involves bicycles. The problem is the bottom on the bottom of the chart. | 00:59:21 | |
The blue dot is next to pedestrians. You see them. | 00:59:30 | |
Yes. | 00:59:36 | |
No, no, no. I. | 00:59:39 | |
OK, All right, so. | 00:59:43 | |
What's underneath the colored bars is what we should be looking at in terms of the type of. | 00:59:46 | |
Mode of transportation, walking or cars or bicyclists that that it reflects, right. So you've got, in this case, the blue is the | 00:59:56 | |
bicyclists and the green is the pedestrians. | 01:00:02 | |
OK. | 01:00:09 | |
I was confused by what's underneath that. OK, so then um. | 01:00:10 | |
What we what you had observed is that it appears that more bicyclists were involved in some form of accident during this time | 01:00:16 | |
period. Is that right? | 01:00:20 | |
Correct. | 01:00:26 | |
We go back to this slide just before this. | 01:00:28 | |
I want you to look at the intersection of Congress and Sunset. | 01:00:34 | |
And there is a green with a yellow in the middle. | 01:00:41 | |
What does that indicate? | 01:00:46 | |
So. | 01:00:50 | |
It means that there is more than one crash there. | 01:00:52 | |
So if it was just a green, if it was just a green. So the the green to red is just a like the number the the. | 01:00:58 | |
The number of crashes that have happened in that same spot. | 01:01:07 | |
OK, so how many crashes did? | 01:01:12 | |
I don't, you know, I don't have that exact information readily available to me right now, but I, but again, I can follow up with | 01:01:14 | |
staff with some more detailed information if that would be of interest. | 01:01:23 | |
It would be. I would find it interesting because we're with that intersection now on the. | 01:01:32 | |
Issue of the roundabout and we have a different series of. | 01:01:38 | |
Information that we received back in January. | 01:01:44 | |
From the consultant with regard to that project, and that was for a time period from December. | 01:01:48 | |
2017 to December 22nd. | 01:01:55 | |
And the only thing I see on there are, well, there were 10 accidents. | 01:02:00 | |
But these are all car accidents. | 01:02:06 | |
Or. | 01:02:09 | |
Simply say unknown 7 involved property and three involved injuries. | 01:02:10 | |
I'm just trying to see if these things are complementary or contradictory. | 01:02:18 | |
So if we could get some more information on the nature of the information that resulted in your making that indication on this | 01:02:26 | |
map, I would appreciate it. | 01:02:32 | |
Yeah. And again, this map only shows the crashes involving bicyclists and pedestrian. It doesn't show any of the just car on car | 01:02:40 | |
crashes. But I'd be happy to do a quick query for the intersection that shows all of the crashes including bicyclists and | 01:02:47 | |
pedestrians and and motorized vehicles. Yeah, I I think that would be important because one of the considerations that that I'm | 01:02:54 | |
concerned about with regard to that intersection. | 01:03:02 | |
And any solution in that intersection is the impact it's going to have on the kids going to school. | 01:03:10 | |
It's good to know what kind of and to what extent there were. | 01:03:19 | |
Accidents involving pedestrians, in this case mostly children, and whatever information we could collect on that I think would be | 01:03:25 | |
very helpful to the Commission. | 01:03:29 | |
I'd be happy to help. | 01:03:38 | |
Thank you. | 01:03:41 | |
Ariana, great presentation. Thank you so much. | 01:03:42 | |
I noticed the hot spot on forest there's that corridor seems pretty dangerous and it's also a major intersection for kids to get | 01:03:47 | |
to school at the elementary school, kind of right underneath the Pacific Grove. | 01:03:54 | |
Yeah, to the right there is one of our schools and. | 01:04:04 | |
I appreciate you saying you guys do pop-up demonstrations and I'm wondering if this would be a candidate to do a pop-up | 01:04:08 | |
demonstration to show how we can reduce speeds or provide somewhat of a better network for a safe route to school since this is | 01:04:15 | |
such a dangerous area. | 01:04:22 | |
We'd love to know. I don't know if you if you're familiar with that street or that area, but I guess my suggestion would be I | 01:04:30 | |
would love to try to see a proposed pop up here if Tamsi is willing to work with us to provide a safer route to school. | 01:04:39 | |
Yeah, we would be happy to to have some more conversations about some potential projects because I mean pop up demonstrations | 01:04:48 | |
don't work on every single street. So we have to make sure. | 01:04:55 | |
That. | 01:05:02 | |
It meets all the right criteria, but I think so. And I don't know enough today to say one way or another, but but yeah, we would | 01:05:05 | |
be happy to have the conversations with staff to look, look at it more closely, look at a couple options. Pine Ave. was one of the | 01:05:13 | |
streets that we've kind of been looking at. | 01:05:20 | |
As that may have potential. | 01:05:29 | |
For some complete streets improvements, some state process school improvements. | 01:05:33 | |
Forest Ave. of course, is a little trickier because it's one of the evacuation routes for the city. So like there's there's a lot | 01:05:37 | |
of considerations right, for any street. So we would just need to to dive in with staff on. | 01:05:47 | |
On this considerations and to follow up, I think what would be helpful today because you've provided such great information, I | 01:05:58 | |
would love to know what that process looks like to approach TMC and obviously budgets are a big issue, but would love to know what | 01:06:05 | |
is that process generally look like to engage with TMC. | 01:06:12 | |
So we've been doing our pop-up demonstrations as part of our Safe Routes to School planning process. So we don't, we don't | 01:06:21 | |
actually have an established like program for, for doing like quick build projects or these like pilot projects yet. It's | 01:06:28 | |
actually, it's something we're developing right now, but I don't know, I don't honestly know how long it's going to take us to get | 01:06:34 | |
set up. | 01:06:41 | |
I'm hoping. | 01:06:49 | |
That. | 01:06:51 | |
In a perfect world, we would be able to start implementing some projects within a year or so. | 01:06:53 | |
But I just so I. | 01:07:01 | |
I've I've talked with PG staff a little bit about this opportunity already and would be happy to continue talking to see if the | 01:07:06 | |
city is interested in in doing. | 01:07:12 | |
Maybe a pilot with us, but but yeah, the timing, I don't, I don't have any. We don't have an established program yet. So we'll be | 01:07:20 | |
talking about doing a pilot program with the city of Pacific Grove. | 01:07:26 | |
Thank you so much. | 01:07:36 | |
Any other questions from commissioners? | 01:07:39 | |
I had, and I just wanted to kind of reiterate, I think from what Commissioner Stern was talking about, kind of next steps and from | 01:07:43 | |
what I'm hearing from you, if we have concerns about specific areas or specific modes of transportation, well, bikes, pedestrian | 01:07:50 | |
in this case. | 01:07:56 | |
That probably the best way to start something is to work with staff. | 01:08:04 | |
PG staff and then in turn. | 01:08:10 | |
With with your you and your staff to to start, start things moving. Is that, is that correct? That's correct. | 01:08:14 | |
Oh, go ahead. | 01:08:26 | |
Did we lose it? Anyway, I really appreciate the presentation. I understand you're going to be making another presentation or this | 01:08:34 | |
presentation to another group in town, and I think that's great. | 01:08:40 | |
And. | 01:08:48 | |
Yeah. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. | 01:08:50 | |
Thank you so much for having me. | 01:08:55 | |
All righty. | 01:08:58 | |
So moving on, actually that's the end of our program tonight. | 01:09:01 | |
Our next meeting is September 24th and it is 509 and we're adjourned. | 01:09:09 |