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Welcome to the Traffic Safety Commission meeting for Tuesday, May 28th. May we have a roll call please? 00:00:01
Anthony Green. 00:00:13
Present Katie Stern. Present. 00:00:15
Tony. 00:00:20
Present. 00:00:22
Lester Brown. 00:00:23
Mike Gunby. 00:00:27
Beth Sheamus. Sheamus. 00:00:30
Thank you. 00:00:34
All right, Thank you. We have 5 members President, 1 absent and one vacant and. 00:00:37
Moving on to the approval of the agenda, do we have any, uh. 00:00:44
Any changes to today's agenda? 00:00:50
Seeing none, can I have a motion to approve the agenda as submitted? I move that we approve the agenda. 00:00:55
I have a second. 00:01:03
Thank you. We have motion and a second to approve the agenda as submitted. Have a roll call please. 00:01:05
Yes, please. 00:01:18
Anthony Greening. 00:01:28
Yes. 00:01:33
Tony Prock. 00:01:35
Yes, Lester Brown not present. 00:01:37
Mike Gunby. 00:01:40
And Beth Sheamus. 00:01:42
All righty, so it's we have 5 yeses and. 00:01:46
It is approved as submitted. Moving on to the minutes, do we have any changes to the minutes as submitted? 00:01:53
Seeing none. 00:02:05
I have a motion to approve the minutes. 00:02:07
And we approve these minutes for April 23rd. Thank you. You have a second, I'll second that. 00:02:10
Thank you. So we have a motion by Shamas and 2nd by Greening. I have a roll call for the vote. 00:02:17
Anthony Greening. 00:02:26
Yes. 00:02:29
Katie Stern, Yes. Tony Proc, Yes. Mike Gunby, Yes. Beth Sheamus, Yes. 00:02:30
Thank you. 00:02:38
All righty, moving on to public. 00:02:40
Comment umm. 00:02:43
Written public comment We have a citizen complaint. I believe it was in the vicinity of David Ave. across from Country Club. 00:02:45
Mall and our shopping center and also is concerning left turns from Ransford on to David. 00:02:56
Also another e-mail concerning good old days and the. 00:03:05
Driving and or speeding around good old days and also the need for a motorcycle officer and moving down to A or from A to B. This 00:03:14
is another e-mail concerning. 00:03:22
A traffic incident at Early and Central. 00:03:31
And do we have any? 00:03:37
Any members of the public who wish to make a comment will do online first. Anybody online wishing to make a comment. 00:03:40
I don't have any raised hands. 00:03:57
All righty, anybody in the audience wishing to make a comment? 00:03:59
Oh. 00:04:11
So nobody in the audience wishing to make any. 00:04:23
Oral Communication. 00:04:27
Not this time, OK? 00:04:29
Moving on. 00:04:32
Let's see. 00:04:34
Any let's see about 258 announcements. 00:04:37
Since Commissioner Brown is absent today, Commissioner Greening is is taking minutes and. 00:04:43
Just the second bullet item there, we're going to start doing things a little bit slightly different. We're going to be taking all 00:04:54
the same public comment as we have been any world comments, but we're and we're going to compile those into a spreadsheet and 00:05:04
going back to January of this year and on a quarterly basis be working between the police of public works and and myself. 00:05:14
To bring any. 00:05:24
Any particular complaint or concern to the? 00:05:28
Traffic Safety Commission and these will be done on a quarterly basis and will be that that document will be on the Traffic Safety 00:05:34
Commission website. 00:05:41
Soon. Not sure how soon, but soon. 00:05:49
And it'll be a document that'll be just be adding to it on a yearly basis. 00:05:53
All righty, back down to five BA staff and commissioner announcements. I guess our our first bullet item there is Council member 00:06:01
Emilio, if you'd like to give us an update on what the council's been doing. 00:06:08
Just to. 00:06:24
Good evening everybody. 00:06:26
We had mayor's proclamation in regards to National Police Week. That was done. Mayor's proclamation was recognized the friends of 00:06:29
Public the. 00:06:33
Friends of Pacific Grove Library for 50 years of service. 00:06:40
And they were recognized for that later on in the presentation. There was a presentation by the Monterey Regional Airport by 00:06:45
Marianne Leslie. And it was very interesting. They're going to be basically a presentation was it's going to be the airport's 00:06:52
going to be expanded. And that's later down the road. It's it's just gotten too small. 00:07:00
Also. 00:07:08
The. 00:07:10
Other items? There were some. 00:07:12
Consent items that were approved by the council. The hospitality Improvement District was improved. Downtown Business Improvement 00:07:16
District was approved. The capital improvement project. 00:07:24
SB1 project list is going to be coming back to us. It's basically approved, but it's going to be it's in the queue right now. And 00:07:33
the other thing is the Central Coast Energy 3C enrollment. 00:07:42
Opt out from three choice to 3C. The George first from the environmental program manager just explained that to all of us. 00:07:52
What was a also a code of conduct which was brought to the Council, the original code of conduct which was not approved and the 00:08:03
original one that was in November of 2021. So if you have any questions, I'll be happy to answer them. Great, thank you. OK. 00:08:12
All right. Our next bullet item here is a report from Commissioner Stern concerning TMC updates. 00:08:24
All right, so our last meeting was May 1st in the city of Greenfield. 00:08:34
And we received an update on the Fort Ora Regional Trail and Greenway project, which is also known as 4 Tag. And for those of you 00:08:40
that don't know, 4 Tag is a larger effort to connect communities in and around the former Fort Ord area. It's a proposed as an 00:08:48
approximately 28 mile continuous 12 foot wide paved bicycle and pedestrian trail with an open space buffer on both sides. And Four 00:08:57
Tag will connect to the existing Monterey Bay Sanctuary Scenic Trail. 00:09:05
And will provide connections to unpaid trails in Fort Ord. 00:09:13
The northern loop of Fort Fort Tag in Circles Marina. It follows a 13 mile route that includes 3 miles of the existing Monterey 00:09:17
Bay Coastal Trail. The southern loop of Four Tag in Circle Seaside and bisects Delray Oaks following a 15 mile route that includes 00:09:24
4 miles of existing Monterey Bay Coastal Trail, and the route connects with existing and planned bike and pedestrian 00:09:31
infrastructure. Several sections of the paved trail were linked to nearby unpaved trails, and there are currently 4 segments in 00:09:38
progress. 00:09:45
Measure X is contributing 24 million to 4 tag and I'll just like give a brief update on what those segments are. Segment one, it's 00:09:53
Canyon Del Rey and State Route 218. This is currently in the process of awarding the construction contract. 00:10:02
And construction is expected to begin this summer and go through 2026, which is extremely exciting that we're breaking ground on 4 00:10:12
tag already. And this particular segment, it connects 4 different parks and the Delray Woods Elementary School Segment 2 is 00:10:20
between Imgin Road and Jerry Smith Access Corridor. The project is currently at 30% of the final design phase and construction is 00:10:27
slated to begin in 2027, if not sooner if they wrap up design sooner. 00:10:35
Segment three runs adjacent to California Ave. between the City of Marina and CSUMB and this segment is currently in the final 00:10:43
design phase with construction supposed to begin sometime this year or next year. Segment 4, it's part of the Laguna Grande 00:10:52
Regional Park and they are still looking for some funding on that. So the main update from TAMSI, we just received a four tag 00:11:00
update, which is great since it's a regional trail for Monterey Bay. 00:11:08
And that's my updates. Great, thank you. I just wanted to add to Commissioner Stern and I are working with TMC staff to have a 00:11:16
presentation at a future. 00:11:22
T Traffic Safety Commission meeting concerning. 00:11:30
The complete St. versus 0 Vision 0. 00:11:34
Ideas and then also potentially safer out to school discussion about that that program too. So great. Thank you. 00:11:40
Honestly, moving on to 5C, we do not have any updates from the subcommittee. 00:11:51
Oh. 00:11:58
Going back to the announcement section on 5/8 when you were talking about the making it public on a quarterly basis, and I wanted 00:12:02
to add to that, like I noticed in the minutes from last meeting that Commissioner Brown brought up wanting to have a a traffic 00:12:09
accident report. 00:12:16
Given to us and I was wondering if that. 00:12:24
Would be included maybe in that or could you or do you want to, you know, do we want to have? 00:12:28
Some kind of a schedule where we do get. 00:12:35
Those accident reports, it's my understanding in talking to staff that it would be kind of time consuming to compile a traffic. 00:12:38
Accident report on a monthly basis, I'm not sure if it's quarterly, if it's something that could be included quarterly or 00:12:51
annually. 00:12:55
I think it would be the most beneficial for this committee that when we meet on the quarterly basis and we speak about the 00:13:01
different complaints that the Traffic Safety committee has received. 00:13:08
That we go over the stats for traffic accidents within the city and because at that time you'll be able to align those traffic 00:13:16
accidents with the complaints and see if there's any themes that you see. But on a monthly basis, I I don't see the benefit for 00:13:23
for this committee because we don't have that many traffic accidents occurring for it to be of any benefit in regards to what 00:13:31
direction this committee would like to ask council to go in. 00:13:38
OK. And also just for clarification, we can give you very limited information in regards to accidents. So we can't you know turn 00:13:46
over accident reports. It's one of the more restrictive reports when it comes to PR a request. 00:13:54
All right. Thank you. Does that kind of answer your question? 00:14:04
Wondering if? 00:14:09
Reports of traffic accidents? There's probably a way for the public to access that anyway. Or not. 00:14:11
Like I know the pine Cone reports, you know they do their little reporting on. 00:14:17
Things like that. I'm just wondering if the public can just access the. 00:14:23
Police reports on that, yes. So we do our annual report. That's what the pine cone usually picks up on, and that's on a yearly. 00:14:28
That makes it more realistic for those stats to mean something, which is why it's annual, which is why we don't recommend doing it 00:14:34
on a monthly basis. 00:14:40
And so that is accessible through our annual report, which was posted about a week ago. 00:14:48
So the Pine Cone does have a list of incidents, but they're not necessarily traffic accidents. They're loose dogs. They're maybe 00:14:55
ticketing or towing. 00:15:01
Vehicles because of the 72 hour rule or stuff like that, but they're not. 00:15:07
They're not necessarily every traffic accident that's that's happened. 00:15:12
All right. So moving on to our regular agenda. 00:15:19
And under be unfinished business. 00:15:23
Our that first bullet item B1 first bullet item is actually moving to C1 and. 00:15:30
Bullet two is planned to be a continued discussion if if anyone wishes to, about the recommendations that the Traffic Safety 00:15:40
Commission sub subcommittee made at our April meeting. So. 00:15:49
Commander Delfino, are you able to? 00:15:59
Put those recommendations on the screen for us so we have a. 00:16:03
Review those and see if anybody has any questions. 00:16:14
Or comments. 00:16:18
Yeah, and they're on the screen right now. 00:16:25
All right, so we'll just start at the top there. Well, and their focus for vehicles this this came out from our discussions 00:16:34
looking into lowering the speed limit on a few different a few different streets here. Primarily what we're looking at is 17 mile 00:16:44
drive between. 00:16:53
Lighthouse and going South to Pebble Beach. There's this one section through there that is 30 miles an hour, though it has many 00:17:04
driveways, probably 40 plus driveways A. 00:17:11
Preschool to Little League parks, a number of apartments and condos I. 00:17:21
And some of the different. 00:17:28
Side streets such as Short and Pico and Pine have limited limited sight lines. We do have photographs, I'm not sure if those are 00:17:32
available today, but anyways, does anybody wish to discuss? 00:17:39
Or make comments on any of this and from the public too. 00:17:47
On umm. 00:17:52
That one stretch between Lighthouse and Pico that goes by the preschool. 00:17:53
So since. 00:17:59
That is a preschool there. Shouldn't it be 25 mph? 00:18:00
Because it's in. 00:18:05
Like a school. 00:18:07
School zone. 00:18:08
We staff, maybe staff has comment on that. 00:18:11
And it may not have been before because. 00:18:17
They hadn't developed that area to have a driveway in and out. 00:18:21
That's what I'm thinking. 00:18:28
Yeah, Staff, do you have any that are you familiar with the preschool there? It's right next to the Little League field there on 00:18:33
17 Mile Drive. 00:18:37
Kind of behind the adult school. 00:18:42
It is that. Is that considered a school zone? 00:18:45
We'd have to take a look at the traffic study and get back to you. Thank you. OK, thank you. So I. 00:18:54
We're going to look at that and early, I'm not sure which early about what section of early it's already 25 I believe is early, 25 00:19:01
miles an hour. 00:19:07
I'm not. 00:19:19
I'm not 100% sure Patterson, we, we've had this discussion at Patterson. I think we have. 00:19:20
A member of the audience wishes to discuss this too. This is an issue with that's come before the Traffic Safety Commission at 00:19:27
least several times before. And the section of Patterson Lane, right where there's a very steep hill between Funston and David. 00:19:36
In fact, why don't we? 00:19:48
About that now, Miss Garcia, do you wish to make a comment or presentation? 00:19:50
Oh, I'm sorry. 00:20:04
You hear me now? 00:20:08
Can you hear me? Yeah. OK, there we go. OK. Anyway, so, yeah, so I did. Well, first, I apologize for the lateness of my our point 00:20:11
getting to you guys. But anyway, so I'm glad to see the the speed limit of Patterson on this subcommittee recommendation list. 00:20:17
It's it's. 00:20:23
Commander Delphine, are you able to put that on the screen the her her PowerPoint? 00:20:31
Well, I'm sharing, so I would have to stop sharing my screen and then we could put that up. That would be OK. And we, if you can 00:20:41
come back to this one after this discussion. 00:20:46
Do you want me to continue or hang on for just? 00:20:55
And we'll start your 3 minutes again. OK. Thank you. 00:21:03
I'm working on it. 00:21:19
And I see Lisa Giannis hand is up. It will get to your question or comment or anybody online will get to your questions and 00:21:25
comments. And just a moment. 00:21:30
All righty, there we go. 00:21:50
Almost looks like I know what I'm doing, huh? You're fooled, everybody. 00:21:54
And one of the important points that I want to make with regards to Patterson Avenue going up and coming down is that there are no 00:22:32
pedestrian crossing signs except for one at the corner of Piedmont and Patterson Avenue or Lane. So I think with the installation 00:22:40
of those that would warn drivers as well because of the Crest that you approach going up Patterson, which in my opinion creates a 00:22:47
a blind spot for people who are trying to. 00:22:55
Either drive or across Benito Ave. or make a turn, let alone people who may be wishing to cross the street so. 00:23:03
Go to page 5, the 5th slide. I'm kind of speeding ahead of this so. 00:23:14
On page 5, this is the intersection of. 00:23:21
Presidio Blvd. and Funston Ave. when you come off of the home and highway and then the next intersection you have is Funston Ave. 00:23:27
at Patterson. 00:23:33
Looking at these two particular sites, again, I think it's very important to have some sort of signage, pedestrian crossing signs, 00:23:42
as a matter of fact, to alert people that there are people there. So going to slide number six. 00:23:48
Now I had to look at this a few times so. 00:23:56
The first sign you see when you proceed down Patterson is this 30 limit or speed limit, 30 radar and force and then your little 00:23:59
cross sign and I mean within a nanosecond then you have this 15 mile per hour recommended. 00:24:08
To me, that can be confusing for drivers who are already accelerating at 30 miles an hour to slow down to 15 as they continue to 00:24:18
proceed down Patterson. 00:24:24
And then on Slide 7, the next slide, that's just a full view of. 00:24:31
Benito Court and across the way is Benito Ave. and the 15 mile per hour recommendation. 00:24:37
So slide 8, the first photo is a picture of the actual hill on Patterson as a driver begins to descend. And then once you get down 00:24:48
to Piedmont, that is the only pedestrian crossing sign for all of Patterson Lane and then you have the speed trailer there. Thank 00:24:56
you very much for putting there that there people do appreciate it. 00:25:05
And so then on so you can finish up your 3 minutes is up. So oh, OK. Well then the final page are the recommendations. And so 00:25:14
although developing a traffic calming CIP program is a great idea, I believe that measure should be really considered an in place 00:25:22
now because of the complaints and what have you. 00:25:30
And the pedestrian crossing sign should be installed. And then finally consideration to install the speed aware radar speed signs 00:25:39
on both sides of Patterson going up and down. 00:25:45
Anyway, OK. So thank you very much. All right, thank you. 00:25:52
So I think we have some folks online that wish to make comments. 00:25:57
Hi, thank you. Lisa Chiani. And I just first wanted to ask if Commissioner, is it show Matt could could speak into her microphone 00:26:12
because I can't, I can't hear when she speaks? 00:26:19
Yeah, somebody recommended putting it a fist distance away from your mouth to to really get the effect here online. 00:26:27
So thank you. 00:26:39
Like a 17 mile, that's a 17 mile drive from Lighthouse to to Sunset. I think that one is hugely important. It's really tricky to 00:26:42
get across from Short to Pico and because there's the rise coming from from Lighthouse and you can't see cars. 00:26:52
And they managed to get going pretty fast, even coming that way, but coming from the other direction as well. It, it's, it's very 00:27:04
tricky crossing there and, and again, as as was already said, all the driveway's. 00:27:11
It it, it would be so much safer and more yes and less harrowing if if that speed limit could be reduced now I saw early on this 00:27:20
list, but. 00:27:28
What I had wanted to speak about was early and central, not speed limit so much. So is that a separate item that's going to come 00:27:38
up in just a moment? You can maybe save those comments. 00:27:44
OK, great. 00:27:51
But I do hope that that the speed limit can be reduced on 17 miles. That would be super. Thank you. Thank you. 00:27:54
And it looks like. 00:28:05
Miss Dahmer. 00:28:07
Thank you. 00:28:11
And thank you, Commissioner Shamus, because I couldn't hear anything you said. If you turn your head away from the and speak to 00:28:14
the chair instead of into your microphone, it's all lost. So thank you for addressing that. And yes, as long as we can see the 00:28:22
microphone and you speak into it, we can hear you. 00:28:29
I agree with Carmelitas and yes I saw her PowerPoint. 00:28:39
At the last minute and had trouble bringing it up, but but yeah, that was fine. And if we're going to address the early and 00:28:44
central later the next item, that's fine. I'll hold my comments for that also. But I wanted to thank you for doing the the 00:28:52
quarterly traffic incidents report. 00:29:00
And certainly it seems as if members of the public writing in give us a better description of accidents than, of course, the 00:29:09
Police Department could give us. So that's nice that the letters keep coming in. 00:29:16
And I think it's a city manager's report. 00:29:24
Well, biweekly now rather than weekly, but I think that's the one that has the different, whether it's traffic accidents or, you 00:29:31
know, all different incidents listed by the week. 00:29:37
Or the month and tallied up in comparison to the last year or. 00:29:45
You know how we are in perspective. I think that little grid is in the city managers report. Thank you very much. All righty, 00:29:54
thank you. 00:29:58
All right, Tony, can you just show that Commissioner Brown is here at 4:30? 00:30:07
Any other comments concerning the recommendations from the subcommittee? 00:30:16
We can go into. 00:30:23
Commander Delfino, are you able to? 00:30:26
Put that back on the. 00:30:28
Screen for. 00:30:31
A moment. 00:30:36
Or Mr. Doe. 00:30:41
All righty. And just to get in a little bit. 00:30:45
More. 00:30:49
Here on this first item, like Jewel for instance, it's a 30 mile an hour from Pacific up to Del Monte. All of these have sections 00:30:51
they're all 25 miles an hour and then you have a 30 mile an hour section and then it goes back to 25 there's. 00:31:00
I understand it has probably has to do with the 85 percentile. 00:31:11
Speed study and that there are sometimes extenuating circumstances where that can be, where that can be lowered. 00:31:16
Anyway, then working with the other. 00:31:27
Item here under vehicles working with the Police Department traffic engineer to add traffic calming measures. There's some of them 00:31:31
we've already talked about flashing signs, maybe 4-4 way stops, bulb outs. 00:31:37
On on a Lighthouse Ave. 00:31:45
Director Go is going to be speaking to that in just a moment and also under bicycles, the committee came up or suggested that the 00:31:50
city create a comprehensive bike plan to be included in the general plan. 00:31:58
That would come under probably under planning department purview though. Also add bike parking at a Syllamar beach. 00:32:07
They're currently I think is 1 loop type rack, but it's installed in such a way that it's. 00:32:17
It would generally covered by or blocked by cars. Umm. 00:32:26
This could could help encourage people to ride their bikes to the beach. 00:32:32
Also work with local businesses, possibly Chamber of Commerce to. 00:32:40
To install bike parking board bike bike parking downtown, including a. 00:32:48
Near a Grove market and in the library. 00:32:54
And then on down under pedestrians. I think 1 common criticism we get is many drivers don't. 00:32:59
Stop for pedestrians in crosswalks so that may be. 00:33:11
Either greater enforcement or I don't know if they're, you know, maybe other. 00:33:20
Like signs or other? 00:33:26
Devices to encourage people to stop. 00:33:30
For pedestrians. 00:33:36
And this this second one is another it's they know it's a a concern for a number of us on the Commission that. 00:33:39
Almost every street in and in Pacific Grove, at least in kind of the central part of Pacific Grove. 00:33:51
Where sidewalks are installed, they're not. 00:34:00
Consistent, there'll be sidewalks and then they'll be maybe bricks or dirt or sod or something else and they wouldn't, we don't 00:34:05
have a consistent, a consistent sidewalk plan and a number of encroachments in in the city right of way there too. 00:34:15
And then we try and kind of touched on it a moment ago concerning the Vision 0 action plan working that we'll have a hopefully 00:34:26
have a presentation by TMC in the near future to, to discuss what what that entails and how that how that compares with a complete 00:34:34
St. plan. 00:34:42
And. 00:34:52
That's that. Those are the the recommendations. 00:34:54
Do we have any questions, Commissioners? Do we have any questions or comments about that, Commissioner Brown? 00:34:59
Yeah, on the on the. 00:35:07
Pedestrian walkway issue. 00:35:10
One of the things too that I'm concerned about is the. 00:35:15
Unevenness of so many of our sidewalks. You can see when you walk by where the trees have been planted that sometimes are ups and 00:35:19
downs that are very dangerous, especially at night. 00:35:26
That involve people tripping and actually it's a question I would have for. 00:35:33
The Police Department and or whoever is feeding the information to the pine cone. I see often in the pine cone that it says 00:35:39
tripped on public walkways or public. 00:35:45
I'm wondering if that means. What does that mean? Aren't all of these sidewalks public? 00:35:53
I'm not exactly sure what you're referring to with the bank own, however they get our weekly. 00:36:01
Police blog basically put out there's a weekly all the incidents that occurred in the city and so they they he also recall cord if 00:36:09
people trip on sidewalks. Is that correct? Yes, we document that and get injured and I would like that to be part of the 00:36:16
presentation that you make on a quarterly basis if if that's possible. There's no agreement for a presentation to the council. We 00:36:24
agreed to come together and bring the complaints together. 00:36:31
And a review for something that the Traffic Safety Commission or committee could present the Council as. 00:36:41
Safety Commission, right and on a quarry basis we'll meet to go over all the different complaints that we received, accidents that 00:36:51
will be documented. We can include those in the accidents, but that is for you to formulate as a committee the direction that you 00:36:57
would like council to go in recommendations at this committee wants to make. 00:37:03
So the way. 00:37:10
So yeah, I, I apologize, I didn't mean for a recommendation to the council. I just was talking about reporting to us. 00:37:12
So if I can reflect on that so we'll so this quarterly so on a. 00:37:21
Monthly basis, so will be added to our list of things because we'll still be getting all, all of the, the written, written 00:37:29
complaints and will members of the audience and online will will be taking their their comments and complaints on a monthly basis. 00:37:38
That'll all be compiled into this document. And then quarterly we'll meet with the staff to to look to see which of those issues 00:37:46
really rise to the surface where they might need some. 00:37:54
Attention by the Commission here. Now that document will still be made public, will still be on the website, so it will be kind of 00:38:02
this living document that will be added to on a monthly basis. But I. 00:38:09
On a quarterly basis, we'll look to see if any of those incidences are there or is there a certain hot spot where we keep getting 00:38:17
the same same issue over and over again. But you'll you'll still have access to to that on a on a monthly basis. Yeah, I guess, I 00:38:25
guess my confusion is that we wouldn't necessarily get. 00:38:32
You know, report from a citizen saying X happened if somebody fell somewhere on a sidewalk, but it would be nice to know where 00:38:41
they're falling and that may be and, and that would be something that I guess on a monthly basis if that could be looked at from 00:38:47
the. 00:38:53
Police blotter? I'm not sure if that's something relevant to Traffic Safety Commission. 00:39:01
Can you repeat the first part of your question so that let me frame it a little differently? 00:39:09
One of the things I see in the pine cone, if you look at it, is all the reports from the police, Sometimes it'll say. 00:39:17
A fall on on public walkway or something to that effect. I wish I had it in front of me. I could tell you the exact warning, but 00:39:24
it'd be good to get some information on that on some periodic basis. Doesn't have to be monthly necessarily, but at least 00:39:30
quarterly as to where people are falling and where they're tripping. 00:39:36
If that's happening right, and I believe that's when we. 00:39:43
The staff and the committee meets outside of this hearing. 00:39:48
And we go over the stats to see if there's any specific direction that you wish to discuss and present to council eventually. 00:39:53
That's that's fine. You know, as long as that's included, that would be great. Thank you very much. 00:40:00
All right. Thank you. 00:40:08
So any anybody else wanting to comment on the recommendations? 00:40:12
Yes, you can hear me, Commissioner can hear me. 00:40:18
Just that. OK, so now that we have these recommendations, we approve these already. I'm going to get to that next and after we 00:40:23
approve them. 00:40:29
Then how to do some of these things get implemented instead of just staying as a goal? So one of the. 00:40:35
That next step, which has been suggested to me by staff, is that the commissioner will work with Council Member Emilio to bring 00:40:45
these not only our goals that we've already approved, but our recommendations to City Council. Have a presentation before City 00:40:52
Council. 00:41:00
And in the public to further discuss our our goals and recommendations and I guess encourage the City Council to to approve, 00:41:08
approve those and accept those or accept them and approve them. 00:41:16
OK, so this is all sometime in the future. 00:41:24
All right. 00:41:31
Any other? 00:41:32
Questions or comments? 00:41:34
And so anyway, can I get a motion for the Commission to approve the recommendations as we've submitted? 00:41:37
I make a motion to approve the recommendations I submitted. Thank you. I second, thank you. So it's been moved by Commissioner 00:41:48
Stern, seconded by Commissioner Brown to approve the recommendations as we've submitted. We have a roll call, please. 00:41:57
Anthony Green. 00:42:08
Yes, Katie Stern. Yes, Tony Proc. Yes, Lester Brown. 00:42:09
Yes. 00:42:17
Yes, Shamas, yes. 00:42:21
All righty, it's been. 00:42:25
Approved. 00:42:28
662-0211 being a vacant position. Alright, moving on to. 00:42:30
Was it 66C new business and this is essentially director goes presentation from last month just getting into a little bit more 00:42:41
maybe more detail or allowing the public for to discuss. 00:42:50
These items that. 00:43:00
We started discussing last month. 00:43:05
We could get that. 00:43:08
Is that presentation up on the? 00:43:10
Screen. That would be great. 00:43:13
Members of the Traffic Commission At your April Traffic Safety Commission meeting, I presented numerous. 00:43:35
The information that was provided in your April meeting was adequate and members of the public and the Commission asked their 00:44:16
questions. I don't feel it's necessary to go through this again, but I'll leave it here in case you guys have any questions. Thank 00:44:21
you. All right, thanks. 00:44:25
So we've already heard from our member of the public on one of these items and we have her presentation. 00:44:33
And it looks like we have some folks online that wish to comment. 00:44:42
All righty, go ahead. 00:44:53
Council Member Colletti. 00:45:02
Yeah. 00:45:18
Can you hear you now? OK, good. I got. I got muted. Apparently I sent an e-mail to the Traffic Safety Commission. 00:45:20
About OH back in February concerning the striping crosswalk stripings at the intersection of forest and lighthouse. 00:45:28
And I didn't see anything in the April agenda report about that and was just wondering if the city has any intention of of 00:45:37
striping sidewalks at that intersection. I've received several I. 00:45:45
Complaints slash suggestions for striping that intersection at forest and lighthouse. 00:45:55
As you know, it's the only crosswalk in the downtown area. 00:46:02
A long lighthouse that is not striped and. 00:46:07
I think it could, perhaps. 00:46:12
Warrants some consideration, so thank you for your time. 00:46:16
Thank you. 00:46:20
Director go, did you have any comment on I know you did some had done some work in that or the? 00:46:24
Public Works has done some work in that intersection. Be my suggestion to finish public comment and then the Commission could ask 00:46:30
any questions. All right. 00:46:34
Thank you. Normally they call our name before they stick the little unmute sign up but that didn't happen so I saw the unmute 00:46:47
sign. 00:46:52
I think Commissioner Brown possibly came in late enough that he didn't hear. I was referring to the letter, the newest letter that 00:46:58
came in on the accident, describing it very clearly from a member of the public on the early and Central. 00:47:06
Intersection that just came in and I'm saying the police. 00:47:15
Are member of the police that answered had said Oh well we don't really give out accident reports period. So I was saying that 00:47:22
well we had a very descriptive letter about what the accident that occurred there was. 00:47:31
So sometimes letters are very good for that. 00:47:41
That intersection. 00:47:47
Is still an ungodly intersection. The visibility is still bad. 00:47:50
It is too busy with all the different crosswalks and and ways that traffic go. I. 00:47:59
You can't really turn where you need to turn and it gets backed up all the time. 00:48:11
And with the new hotel, it is going to get worse before it gets better, and there's going to be all kinds of other. 00:48:19
Other drug. 00:48:31
Other traffic patterns that add into this. 00:48:32
And I'm saying that this intersection and especially in the in the transportation from the EIR needs to be very much re looked at 00:48:38
because of the parking lot that will be public parking lot, which is supposed to replace half of slope parking which they're 00:48:46
taking away with the hotel being built on it. 00:48:54
Half of the slope between Dewey and Eardley and the fact that the hotel entrance will be and all the construction. 00:49:03
And these are all really major problematic things coming down the Pike here that need to be addressed sooner rather than later. 00:49:13
And to have the Traffic and Safety Commission looking at this, they haven't given away or sold slope yet, but. 00:49:23
You know, I mean, just because the Coastal gave this hotel a CDP, they have a lot of conditions to meet, but it's still our 00:49:35
streets, our safety and our need to look at them very, very carefully. 00:49:42
Otherwise we are going to really have a mess there. So I it already is a mess, it's already rated F. 00:49:51
And no matter what our public director works director says to us, we already know we go through that. Me, that's my way out. So. 00:50:01
I urge you to. 00:50:14
Bring this up again. Thank you. Thank you. 00:50:16
I'm Lisa Gianni and 1st about early and central. 00:50:31
I I've heard for years at at Traffic Safety committee about people coming from uphill on early down to central and what the 00:50:40
traffic is like there but going up from slot or from Ocean View Blvd. I think it's getting worse and worse anyway. 00:50:50
I have great difficulty. 00:51:01
Turning, turning just even right there because of the amount of traffic and the poor visibility. And as Inga said, it could be a. 00:51:06
August of 2025, that demolition on that whole block from from slow to central and from early to Dewey or most of that block and on 00:51:21
a whole bunch of between ocean view and and slot demolition will start in August of 2025, possibly, very possibly because 00:51:30
otherwise they have to wait another year. 00:51:39
And, and, and construction is going to be massive. I mean, taking down concrete buildings and all the pavement and hauling it all 00:51:50
off to the landfill so that that intersection needs serious attention before, before that happens. It's already a concern. And 00:51:58
then the. 00:52:06
There, it'd be really nice to make the intersection and maybe I already said this earlier when I wasn't sure if you were talking 00:52:15
about that, but on Lighthouse at Congress, because you're it's so far across and you're looking at so many different. 00:52:24
Things. 00:52:34
With distractions, with parking and really a lot of coming and going with the with the post office and the restaurants there I. 00:52:36
But to keep track of the pedestrian crossing there and. 00:52:46
As well as the traffic that doesn't always slow down coming in on on lighthouse from the. 00:52:53
West. 00:53:01
That I really hope that that can be addressed. 4 way stops are really great in PG and I would think our relatively low cost 00:53:03
approach to that. I don't know if that works super super well with such a long way across but. 00:53:15
But I would think it would be better than what it is now. And you just want people to be safe in those crosswalks. OK, I think 00:53:27
that's it. Thank you very much. 00:53:32
Thank you. 00:53:37
And let's see nobody else online wishing to comment. 00:53:40
And. 00:53:46
I guess nobody else in. 00:53:48
Public. 00:53:51
And in our audience wishing to comment. 00:53:53
Commissioners, do you have any comments on these items or any questions for staff or? 00:53:57
Go ahead, Commissioner Brown. Yeah, I'm looking at the intersection on my Google map. 00:54:05
This is, I was just about to say it utterly and early and central, OK and. 00:54:12
And it what I'm seeing here for the most part is. 00:54:20
You have the shopping center to the right. 00:54:25
You have, I guess, the Chamber of Commerce and the back entrance to a parking lot. 00:54:28
Does it make and? I guess it doesn't make any sense, but. 00:54:35
I would ask. 00:54:39
Mr. GOH, has there ever been any thought about rerouting the traffic that we know is going to be coming out of the hotel and 00:54:42
making that a one way St. going towards the water? 00:54:48
To take care of at least part of the issue, Commissioner Brown, during the circulation of the environmental impact report for the 00:54:55
hotel, a robust traffic analysis was completed and brought forth with the transportation section of that EIR. I'm not familiar 00:55:02
with it. 00:55:08
And with what that states. But it wasn't the recommendation to do any improvements at that intersection on Central Ave. at least 00:55:16
that Public Works has not been approached with yet. The hotel still two years out. It's premature to start discussing any capital 00:55:26
improvement improvements to Central Ave. associated with the hotel when the hotel is yet to even submit a complete set of plans. 00:55:36
And so on and so forth. But I would have to review the traffic traffic section of the EIR to see what they're stating. When the 00:55:46
hotel is ready to break ground, we'll be working with the contractor and the developers to adequately provide truck routes in and 00:55:54
out of the construction sites and all of that. So assumptions that are being made about ways that construction activity is going 00:56:02
to occur is premature at this point. 00:56:09
Let me ask you one other question. Has there been a consideration and I apologize if there has and somehow I didn't recall it of 00:56:18
making stop putting stop signs on Congress there? 00:56:24
Congress and this, no, this is between Central and Central and early. OK, you're talking about early and then as you did say 00:56:33
Congress. Yeah, on Central, putting them on central when when you asked me two months ago to evaluate Lighthouse or early and 00:56:40
Central, we evaluated the intersection and there was no. 00:56:47
No further action that need to be taken. From public works standpoint it didn't meet the warrants and that would create 00:56:54
significant queuing up into the David Ave. and Lighthouse intersection on both directions. You would have queuing of automobiles 00:57:01
into that signaled. 00:57:07
Intersection. 00:57:16
In Monterey, if you were to do that, let me ask you one other question. What about the thought of putting a stop sign on 00:57:17
Lighthouse as it comes into Hurley from downtown Pacific Grove? 00:57:24
That intersection has not been evaluated, but I guarantee you it's not going to meet the warrants for a four way stop at that 00:57:32
intersection either. We're not talking about a four way stop. I'm just I guess it would be a three-way stop. 00:57:37
You've just got this where you know, a lighthouse splits. I'm well aware of it. Yes, right. And I'm talking about. 00:57:45
The cars can come down there pretty quick and I can see how people could be. 00:57:55
Surprised. Even when you come to that intersection in a car, you know, sometimes you got to be really careful as to how far. 00:58:01
He would go into the intersection based upon the speed of the people coming from the Pacific Road. And I need to caution the 00:58:09
Commission that we can't engineer enforcement. So if there's a speeding issue, then enforcement needs to occur. But we can't 00:58:16
constantly be looking at intersections for engineering or stop and stop signs. Our engineering enforcement by engineering doesn't 00:58:23
always work and it's very, very expensive. 00:58:30
So if there's a speeding issue. 00:58:39
And we need to be made aware of that so we can ask the Police Department to increase patrols, set up their radar systems, but we 00:58:41
can't just go around and keep. 00:58:46
Trying to address a perceived issue by engineering. 00:58:53
Nobody would be able to travel anywhere. They would go every block and there would be a stop sign. 00:58:59
What about some kind of signage there? 00:59:04
There's there's adequate sign at that intersection. Already had early in my house. 00:59:07
Oh, OK. I'm, I, I this, that's all my questions. OK, Shamas, Commissioner Shamas, you have a question. Well, I'd like, I'd like to 00:59:19
suggest to our Commission that we hold a public hearing and that at that public hearing. 00:59:27
We invite a. 00:59:37
Our citizens to come and identify the most troublesome intersections and that we put together a list of the most uh. 00:59:40
Complained about intersections and so we have an idea of you know exactly which ones. 00:59:52
Create are creating the most, whether it's perceived or not it I mean, I don't think there's any question that central and early 00:59:58
are problematic in many, many ways. So I think that having a public hearing where people can come and tell us exactly which 01:00:08
intersections they they would rate and that we have that as a recommendation that we can give to the City Council. 01:00:19
And, you know, I mean, these, these things keep coming up. Like are these all, you know, imagine? No, they, these same 01:00:29
intersections keep coming up. And I've only been on here for a year, but I've seen the same ones come up for a year. So this, this 01:00:36
is at least the first step in a public hearing and, and, and hearing these out public works has done traffic studies and has made 01:00:44
modifications on some of these already. They may or may not have. 01:00:51
Fulfilled all the needs. 01:01:00
Uh, that and the fact that we're putting together, we're compiling all of these and then on a quarterly basis we're looking at 01:01:03
those and bringing those forward. These have all been brought forward. 01:01:10
Today, and so Public Works has been able to do some kind of study. 01:01:17
Usually with their with their traffic engineer to determine what, if anything, is is doable here. 01:01:24
That said that we obviously we still have these to contend with and. 01:01:36
So. 01:01:47
Anybody any other commissioners have any other comments? 01:01:49
We'll go back. I think our. 01:01:53
In person, public here, wants to make a comment. And well, first, you know, I want to support what Commissioner Samash has 01:01:58
suggested with a public hearing because I tell you monthly board and Commission meetings are very different from holding an actual 01:02:05
public meeting. There's just a real different perception there. And plus you get publicity. So I think you might end up with the 01:02:13
house full if you were to actually go down that road anyway. 01:02:20
You know, I I don't want this to get by me with regards to this intersection evaluation and so the report from the April 23rd 01:02:29
meeting with regards to Congress and Caledonia the. 01:02:37
Request and the PowerPoint I had presented regarding pedestrian crossing signage very different than from what was presented with 01:02:47
no crosswalks. I you know, I wasn't suggesting that or recommending that. 01:02:53
And so I don't know where that's at, but to, I mean, I want to refute this evaluation because there was a William Silver, the the 01:02:59
previous traffic engineer, there was a report he did in May on May 28th, 2019, which is totally obsolete to 2024. And what I was 01:03:07
suggesting as far as pedestrian crossing signage and whether or not making AU turn at that corner of Grove St. and and Central was 01:03:16
legal or illegal. 01:03:24
Anyway, you have to look at the PowerPoint again. But, you know, I would ask that you not approve this report regarding Congress 01:03:33
and Caledonia because it's not factual, it's not accurate, It's not what was being requested. And it's, you know, it's old, old 01:03:41
information. Anyway. Thank you. Yeah, I'm not sure we're we're not, we're not approving. 01:03:49
These evaluations, this is an evaluation that was done by by public works and we're discussing that now it's it doesn't mean that 01:03:57
it's a done deal either either yes or no, but right. So the action is to receive the report. So what happens after the report is 01:04:06
received? Where does it go? So these reports if well, if you were here during the the April meeting, there was a. 01:04:16
At each of these intersections, the public works director made their report made their had drew their conclusions, and their 01:04:27
conclusions were that. 01:04:32
Based on their evaluations and the lack of warrants and other factors that none of these intersections required any any additional 01:04:38
work. Now we don't necessarily agree with that, but that's what Public Works is. 01:04:46
The installation of pedestrian crossing signage, which is very different than what is on this agenda report. I want to just point 01:04:58
that out because it's critical, it's important. 01:05:04
Gumby, thank you. We did. As part of the April presentation, we did state that improvements could be upgrade that could include 01:05:10
upgraded signage. Public Works has gone out, We've ordered signs, we've ordered Playground ahead signs, we've ordered. 01:05:17
Like the sign that has the adult and the child in the location to slow down traffic. So that is an example that we have heard 01:05:26
members of the public, we have evaluated this intersection. 01:05:33
And we are making those necessary improvements. Thank you. 01:05:39
I wasn't asked at April, I said at April. PowerPoint said improvements could include upgraded signage, public works to review. 01:05:43
OK. 01:05:57
So. 01:06:00
What are the other intersections that we've already discussed today, Patterson? Again, this has come up not only because of the 01:06:02
speed, the higher speed limit in this particular section, but for the site. 01:06:10
Sightline issues. The issues for pedestrian crossings. 01:06:19
And and it was the Commission. 01:06:28
Wish to I guess delve in the into any of these. 01:06:32
These intersections more than we already have before I Before I get into that, I. 01:06:37
Council member Colletti had did have a question concerning lighthouse and forest commissioner go to director go. Did you want to 01:06:45
comment on any improvements that the city's made there? And as the Commission knows, we've made improvements to the intersection 01:06:53
already that meet the compliance with the AB 413. We've removed the last parking spot on the approach to the existing crosswalk. 01:07:01
We've trimmed the vegetation as I presented the April meeting. 01:07:09
And we've made those improvements. This was a capital improvement project, a beautification project that occurred in I think 2000 01:07:17
and 12/13 time frame. 01:07:22
So that was approved by the City Council with all of the appropriate markings and the decorative features associated with that 01:07:28
intersection. I would have to go back and see if I could dig up any of that information and review what those recommendations were 01:07:33
for that intersection. 01:07:39
All right, Thank you. And can you? 01:07:46
Can you bring that back to us at our at our next meeting? 01:07:50
Potentially. Thank you. 01:07:54
Can you go into a little bit of detail on your report on Lighthouse and Congress that already came up today with another? 01:07:57
Of what your recommendations are, I know one of one of our recommendations is was to add a four way stop or stops on on lighthouse 01:08:07
but. 01:08:12
You had you. 01:08:19
Didn't think that that was viable or he didn't meet the. 01:08:21
The number of warrants, it didn't meet the number of I think that the number of cars through that intersection and there were some 01:08:27
other issue. 01:08:32
Issue there, could you? 01:08:39
Comment on that. 01:08:41
White House from Congress, as I presented in April. You just hit the nail on the head. It doesn't meet the warrants for a stop 01:08:43
sign. There's been 17 crashes there over the last 10 years, which is less than two a year. The average speed is 16.3 miles an 01:08:51
hour. We've made the improvements already with the additional markings and the new signage. I have no more information to add. 01:08:59
And I'll, I'd want to put them on the spot that Commander Anderson, you and I have a little bit of a discussion. 01:09:09
After last month's meeting concerning the ability to. 01:09:15
Issue citations for people, not. 01:09:23
Not for instance, stopping at a stop sign if the stop sign can't be showed shown as just a justifiable through warrants in traffic 01:09:29
traffic studies. Could you elaborate a little bit on that? 01:09:37
You're correct pretty much what you said. If it's not justified by the warrants and it's not a legally enforceable sign and it 01:09:46
also could potentially put the city. 01:09:52
In some type of liability, if there was an accident that someone could show that that signage had caused. 01:09:59
If it's not warranted. 01:10:06
OK. 01:10:09
Thank you. 01:10:10
I have a question in general. I know one of the recommendations was looking at reducing speeds in certain areas and obviously that 01:10:12
has to be studied by the traffic engineer. One area I am wondering about in particular for Patterson, what is the process for 01:10:21
looking at potentially lowering by 5 mph in like areas like that? What what is that process? 01:10:31
I'm not an expert on that, Commissioner Stern, but our traffic engineer will go out and they will begin by counts and then they 01:10:43
would do their speed surveys and we would get all of the information, traffic number, speed surveys. 01:10:49
Determine the 85th percentile, then you've got to go in and you've got to adjust your speed reports. Patterson Lane is noted in 01:10:56
our code as a 30 mile an hour Rd. So then with all your speed reports and your speed surveys, it would have to be changed and so 01:11:05
on and so forth. So any new speed is enforceable by the law. They're all set by the 85th percentile vehicle that's traveling. 01:11:15
And that's how a speed is determined, and that's how a speed violation is enforceable in the court of law. 01:11:25
So in the the follow up, if we like, our first recommendation was to review the areas that were a 30 mile per hour. Since we just 01:11:35
approved that, I'm asking city staff what the next step would be for that evaluation of the 85th percentile. Is that something 01:11:43
that we can agendize as a a goal for this? 01:11:51
I know I'm I'm, I'm jumping here. 01:12:06
Can I, could I make a comment relative to that? It would be my understanding that if if that 3030 for instance, Patterson Lane, so 01:12:11
that's noted as a 30 mile an hour speed limit. Can we assume that that's the 85th percentile speed limit and and does well? 01:12:21
I asked the question. My understanding is that Caltrans. 01:12:33
Design guidelines allow the speed limit to be reduced by 5 miles an hour if there are extenuating circumstances, for instance on 01:12:39
Patterson Lane and actually on all these other ones too. 01:12:46
Where there are sight line issues where you have a steep grade, where you have pedestrian issue, pedestrians crossing and again 01:12:53
sight line issues for the pedestrians. So is it possible to if you if one assumes that that 30 mile an hour is the. 01:13:03
The 85th percentile. Can you just reduce that by 5 miles an hour? You might have to change some of the city. 01:13:13
City code, but, and because of these, what we believe and I think what most people of the public would believe are extinuating 01:13:20
circumstances that require that lower speed limit. 01:13:27
I don't have an answer to that. I don't know if you can just suggest 5 miles an hour one way or the other. It's in the code. Our 01:13:37
city code has a 30 mile an hour. We just did our speed surveys, which was presented before the Traffic Commission and then 01:13:43
ultimately approved by the City Council a few years ago. So that's something we would have to evaluate. Going back to Commissioner 01:13:48
Stern's question. 01:13:54
I've in my opinion, once this Commission approves your goals, you guys should present those goals to the City Council and you 01:14:01
should ask the City Council to allocate time for staff in our traffic engineer to go through and do that evaluation if that's what 01:14:07
you're requesting. There's a financial component to that, and that financial component should be allocated through the City 01:14:13
Council. 01:14:19
Thank you. 01:14:27
All righty. Mr. Chairman, I've got a question. Mr. Brown, go ahead with our Commissioner and brought up, I think, an excellent 01:14:31
point that we should hold a public hearing on troublesome intersections, and I'm wondering when it would be appropriate to make a 01:14:37
motion on that issue. 01:14:43
Well, let's see. Do any other commissioners have any questions? 01:14:55
Go ahead. And Commissioner Stern, regarding that request. I am considering that this Commission here is trying to take into 01:15:01
account all of the comments that we do receive via e-mail and we are trying to compile that list of comments in a way that we are 01:15:08
hoping to address the hotspots that I know we've indicated that we want to correct and working with the Police Department to look 01:15:15
at zones and. 01:15:23
We'll hear a presentation on Vision 0. 01:15:31
From TMC soon to kind of understand how to address those types of problematic areas. 01:15:34
So my recommendation, I think what the chairman was alluding to is that we are kind of going through that process right now by 01:15:42
collecting this information and we just received the report from Mr. Go. So I'm, I'm feeling like we are currently in that type of 01:15:49
process and we're so that, that, that is my personal opinion is that we're kind of embarking on that right now. 01:15:56
I think we'll we'll. 01:16:06
We will have a better understanding at the end of June because at that time we'll be evaluating 6 months, essentially 6 months 01:16:07
worth of comments, both written in world that have now been by that time been compiled into this Traffic Safety Commission. 01:16:18
Report that we'll be looking at and then be able to. 01:16:29
I guess analyze which. 01:16:36
Which are the hotspots and as Commissioner Stern mentioned, hopefully in our by our next meeting we'll have Tam C presentation 01:16:39
about. 01:16:44
Vision Zero and and also Complete Streets. 01:16:51
I guess my, my, my position on this would be as the commissioners position, as I think as well is that we need to do some public 01:16:57
outreach. 01:17:02
We've got, yes, plenty of complaints and we do have certain intersections, but I think it would be really good to be able to 01:17:08
create a situation where we also got some support, because it appears that unless we have very strong support with regard to 01:17:15
certain intersections, nothing is going to get done. Ultimately, things have to go to the City Council, resources may have to be 01:17:22
allocated, and I think it would be helpful to the Commission. 01:17:29
If we allowed people to speak up and try to create an event that would give us that kind of momentum. And in terms of the timing, 01:17:37
maybe you're correct, Mr. Chairman, Maybe we need to hear this one. 01:17:44
Additional set of presentations from PMAC or whatever. 01:17:52
To help frame that, but I think we need to seriously consider holding such a hearing. 01:17:57
I have one more comment I guess my only Oh sorry did would you like to go? 01:18:05
I did not see that. 01:18:12
My only concern on the before we go public, let's make sure we we've explored the whole thing because when you rail up the 01:18:14
population that may backflip, you may have a lot of backlash, especially if we can't. 01:18:21
Fix some of these things that everybody's concerned about. 01:18:29
Oh, and that's part of the problem, I think. I don't think we're fixing almost anything, to be honest. 01:18:32
That that. 01:18:39
That was actually my same fear is that we've already received a report from Mr. Go and it feels like unless we, our roads and 01:18:42
traffic patterns meet the warrants, like we're not able to actually move the needle and make a change. And so I'm worried that we 01:18:50
are going to get a lot of public comment and still with the legality of not meeting the warrants, we still won't be able to make 01:18:57
any change. Well, I, I think part of what we have here. 01:19:05
At least as far as I I can tell is is, you know, this is not necessarily getting to everybody. We've had a lot of people show up 01:19:13
here with concerns and we keep coming up with the same issues. I think would be good to have a situation where Mr. Go and our 01:19:18
traffic people and the police could explain this. 01:19:24
To the, to the public. I, you know, part of the problem is I don't have any people really follow this Commission to be honest. 01:19:30
And, you know, I think it would be better to have that some form of communication where they can explain this so that everybody is 01:19:38
on the same page. Otherwise we're going to keep getting these. 01:19:43
Reports over and over and over how many times we heard about the same intersections. I think part of that is that we we don't 01:19:50
really have a way to communicate with the public. How would we do that? People can turn it, you know, can can turn us on on the 01:19:56
video. But how many people did it today? Eight people, seven people. Maybe it would be good to try to get people together and say 01:20:02
OK. 01:20:08
Hear your concerns, let's address them. We've addressed some of these many times. This is why we can or cannot do it. That's 01:20:14
really what I'm looking for. And I, I, I don't have any, you know, specific ideas on how to get it done other than to kind of open 01:20:22
up a forum and give everybody an opportunity. At the very least, we could then say we gave everybody an opportunity. Come before 01:20:29
the Commission to listen to Mr. Go, to listen to the police as to what's going on, on this. 01:20:36
You were put on notice and if the city is going to do something about it and can do something about it. 01:20:44
Within the law, for example, the warrant issue, I I found that fascinating. Some people are going to understand that that is going 01:20:52
to be a restriction. 01:20:55
I think it would be more important to do that if we can do it. 01:21:00
So the timing exactly on this, I don't know, maybe the fall is a better time to do it, but I think we should consider. 01:21:05
All right. 01:21:15
Do we have any other questions or comments? 01:21:16
All right. Let's just, we're going to put a pin in that because I think it's a good idea, but I think it it hasn't. 01:21:21
It's not ripe yet. I think we, we need some more information. I want to get some information from Tamsi and and then I want to 01:21:31
think how how would we, how would we do this? Would we just open it up? What's your worst? What's the worst street? Do we just 01:21:36
want to work it? 01:21:42
Opened it up to anything or do we want to narrow it down to what we believe because of the number of complaints that we're getting 01:21:48
and that will be have compiled 6 months worth at the at the end of June. 01:21:55
And then narrow it down, at least so it's in. 01:22:03
Bite size as opposed to just citywide. 01:22:09
I will say, though, if Commissioner Shamas wants to make a motion, you should feel free to make a motion. Well, I'd like to at 01:22:14
least make a motion that we agendize it and, and not just, I mean, putting a pin in it is OK if you say the pin is for July, you 01:22:23
know, I, I mean, because we can just, you know, push that can down the road. 01:22:31
And and even if it, what we're going to talk about is how we're going to structure a public hearing, which is what I'm getting 01:22:40
that you're we don't even know how we're going to structure it, let alone. 01:22:48
But let's put it on the agenda to talk about how to structure it. 01:22:55
Because otherwise it, it just never will materialize. And I think it's it, it holding a public meeting is something that we 01:23:00
actually can do. 01:23:06
In our. 01:23:13
Commission handbook, it says we can do that Otherwise there's not much else we can really do I mean, so I'm going to make a motion 01:23:15
that we. 01:23:20
Put together a or that we agendize a public hearing in order to. 01:23:26
Talk about how we will have a public hearing. 01:23:34
I want to 2nd that. 01:23:39
Did you have a specific for July, For July? I'm sorry. Yeah. You're good with July. I'm fine with July. OK. Could we have a roll 01:23:42
call vote on that? 01:23:46
We've had a a motion by Shamas and 2nd by Brown to have A to agendize a meeting to decide how to prepare a public hearing for 01:23:51
traffic, traffic issues in the at our July meeting. And we have a roll call please you. 01:24:04
Commissioner Greening, Yes. Commissioner Stern? Yes. Commissioner Brock, Yes. 01:24:17
Commissioner Brown. 01:24:23
Gumby, yes. 01:24:25
Commissioner Shamas, Yes. 01:24:27
All righty. So we've got something on our July agenda already. Great. 01:24:30
All right. There are no other, no other questions about these particular locations for by commissioners, is that correct? All 01:24:37
right, let's move on to C2. This is just an update on the capital improvement. 01:24:46
The projects that were approved by City Council, I believe last week or the week before. 01:24:58
Mr. Go Thank you, Chair Gumby, members of the Traffic Commission and these items were approved for submission into the budget, but 01:25:07
the budget hasn't been approved yet. So they're like tentatively approved until the budget's approved and money's allocated 01:25:14
towards them, if that makes sense. Can we get those on the Do you have the list? 01:25:22
They're in your agenda packet, but I can tell them it's the number one. First project is street Rehab, which is Forest Ave. from 01:25:31
Sunset to Spazer. And then the 2nd Rd. that we're doing with our street rehab project would be 19th St. from Sunset to Cynics at 01:25:38
1.7 million. Then we're going to do our crack and slurry seal at which is various locations throughout town at 400,000. Then 01:25:46
there's a pedestrian safety improvement project for the intersection of Central and Fountain. 01:25:54
That's associated with the Pacific Grove Hotel project down there adjacent to the library. That those intersection improvements 01:26:02
are specifically called out in the resolution that was approved by City Council both in 2018 and then modified in 2022. 01:26:12
When the hotel transferred ownership and it's called out for the city and the developer to do improvements at that intersection. 01:26:25
And then there's recreation trail improvements that will be making over the next two years. The first year adjacent to Espinal 01:26:32
Park, the first year would be $20,000 to design, engineer and ultimately permit those improvements. We're looking to do a little 01:26:39
bulb out. 01:26:47
Because the trail has is eroding and pedestrians were bouncing up into the roadway, so we put up a temporary little walkway with 01:26:55
delineators and big cones for protection. I. 01:27:01
And then in year 2, we'll do construction. Those are the projects that were approved that are associated with any type of 01:27:09
multimodal movements throughout the city. 01:27:16
All right. Thank you. I had a question. I I was looking at the I guess your presentation to you. I would recommend opening it up 01:27:25
the public comment before Commissioner questions. So I don't mean to interrupt. Sure. 01:27:31
Any public comment? 01:27:39
Thank you, Inga Lorenzen Dormer and yes, I have a public comment when I was at City Council and I realized what an absolutely 01:27:52
horrid and this was for the CIP projects, which as Mr. Go said are going to be the budget. I mean, they have to be incorporated 01:28:01
into the budget, which I believe is on the next City Council meeting. 01:28:09
But I was horrified to find out that all this horrid stuff that's been going on at the library and fountain. And I say horrid 01:28:18
because the diesel trucks would not only have they dug up the street and disrupted two different. 01:28:26
Farmers markets, possibly 3, which were supposed to still continue and with their with their diesel trucks with the the. 01:28:36
To fill up the gravel and haul off, they're taking up two spots in front of the library and sitting there and idling for 15 01:28:48
minutes at a time, 20 minutes, which is clearly illegal. Diesel trucks are not supposed to sit anywhere but to take up the public. 01:28:56
The we we already don't have the parking on one side of the library, but I'm I'm a mobility impaired person. This greatly effects 01:29:04
my access to the library, which I utilize a lot. 01:29:12
OK, they would sit there and do this, but to find out that the city at the time and in that revised agreement in 2022 that Mister 01:29:21
Go alluded to a. 01:29:28
We have a 25% only requirement of that hotel developer to help with the funding for that 67,005 as opposed to the 270,000 taxpayer 01:29:35
dollars that are coming out of the general fund, our general fund. And I am horrified that our city manager at that time 01:29:46
negotiated this agreement with the hoteliers that they are only paying 25%. 01:29:58
When most of this has to do with their hotel and I just wanted to bring that up because somehow I missed that in 2022 and yes, I 01:30:10
am horrified, but that has what has happened. 01:30:17
So $270,000 of our taxpayer dollars are funding those diesel trucks sitting there and idling for 20 minutes at a time and blocking 01:30:26
access to the library and the farmers market. Thank you very much. 01:30:33
Thank you. 01:30:42
Is there anybody else online? 01:30:45
Who's the? 01:30:49
No other hand raised. Thank you. 01:30:49
The question I had Mr. Go had to do with the unfunded list now, so none of this is has been approved yet, but even the unfunded. 01:30:57
If if money had if money was available through grants or through some other, those items be brought up to to City Council. 01:31:11
If they were. 01:31:25
Either wholly or say almost entirely funded by grants or other. 01:31:27
Government programs. 01:31:35
Absolutely, Chair Gunby, if there was a funding source for any of these unfunded projects, then we would absolutely recommend them 01:31:37
for consideration in the city's budget. 01:31:43
So how? 01:31:49
We've talked about this offline, so the city generally uses, it's my understanding, a contract grant writing consultants how? 01:31:52
I guess in order for them to go out looking for grants for any of these projects, of course, then the city would have to have a 01:32:07
contract with them and which would include, you know, some kind of. 01:32:12
Payment. 01:32:20
How? How else would or is that? 01:32:23
Is that the way that generally that would work? 01:32:26
I can't comment on that, Sir. I do not know, OK. 01:32:32
All right, any, any questions Commissioners on? 01:32:36
Sure. 01:32:44
OK. 01:32:49
For the money has to go find the money. The grant writer just puts it in the right form for submission. OK, great. Thank you. 01:32:51
Commissioners, any comments on these projects? These are what? 01:33:05
Will likely be proposed or have been proposed and will likely be hopefully approved for next year. 01:33:11
OK. 01:33:19
Great. I think that's without any other comments. Let's see if we go down to. 01:33:22
D We don't have any reports from subcommittees today and so I think we're adjourned. 01:33:29
Our next meeting will be June 25th. Thank you. 01:33:39
Thanks. 01:33:43
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Welcome to the Traffic Safety Commission meeting for Tuesday, May 28th. May we have a roll call please? 00:00:01
Anthony Green. 00:00:13
Present Katie Stern. Present. 00:00:15
Tony. 00:00:20
Present. 00:00:22
Lester Brown. 00:00:23
Mike Gunby. 00:00:27
Beth Sheamus. Sheamus. 00:00:30
Thank you. 00:00:34
All right, Thank you. We have 5 members President, 1 absent and one vacant and. 00:00:37
Moving on to the approval of the agenda, do we have any, uh. 00:00:44
Any changes to today's agenda? 00:00:50
Seeing none, can I have a motion to approve the agenda as submitted? I move that we approve the agenda. 00:00:55
I have a second. 00:01:03
Thank you. We have motion and a second to approve the agenda as submitted. Have a roll call please. 00:01:05
Yes, please. 00:01:18
Anthony Greening. 00:01:28
Yes. 00:01:33
Tony Prock. 00:01:35
Yes, Lester Brown not present. 00:01:37
Mike Gunby. 00:01:40
And Beth Sheamus. 00:01:42
All righty, so it's we have 5 yeses and. 00:01:46
It is approved as submitted. Moving on to the minutes, do we have any changes to the minutes as submitted? 00:01:53
Seeing none. 00:02:05
I have a motion to approve the minutes. 00:02:07
And we approve these minutes for April 23rd. Thank you. You have a second, I'll second that. 00:02:10
Thank you. So we have a motion by Shamas and 2nd by Greening. I have a roll call for the vote. 00:02:17
Anthony Greening. 00:02:26
Yes. 00:02:29
Katie Stern, Yes. Tony Proc, Yes. Mike Gunby, Yes. Beth Sheamus, Yes. 00:02:30
Thank you. 00:02:38
All righty, moving on to public. 00:02:40
Comment umm. 00:02:43
Written public comment We have a citizen complaint. I believe it was in the vicinity of David Ave. across from Country Club. 00:02:45
Mall and our shopping center and also is concerning left turns from Ransford on to David. 00:02:56
Also another e-mail concerning good old days and the. 00:03:05
Driving and or speeding around good old days and also the need for a motorcycle officer and moving down to A or from A to B. This 00:03:14
is another e-mail concerning. 00:03:22
A traffic incident at Early and Central. 00:03:31
And do we have any? 00:03:37
Any members of the public who wish to make a comment will do online first. Anybody online wishing to make a comment. 00:03:40
I don't have any raised hands. 00:03:57
All righty, anybody in the audience wishing to make a comment? 00:03:59
Oh. 00:04:11
So nobody in the audience wishing to make any. 00:04:23
Oral Communication. 00:04:27
Not this time, OK? 00:04:29
Moving on. 00:04:32
Let's see. 00:04:34
Any let's see about 258 announcements. 00:04:37
Since Commissioner Brown is absent today, Commissioner Greening is is taking minutes and. 00:04:43
Just the second bullet item there, we're going to start doing things a little bit slightly different. We're going to be taking all 00:04:54
the same public comment as we have been any world comments, but we're and we're going to compile those into a spreadsheet and 00:05:04
going back to January of this year and on a quarterly basis be working between the police of public works and and myself. 00:05:14
To bring any. 00:05:24
Any particular complaint or concern to the? 00:05:28
Traffic Safety Commission and these will be done on a quarterly basis and will be that that document will be on the Traffic Safety 00:05:34
Commission website. 00:05:41
Soon. Not sure how soon, but soon. 00:05:49
And it'll be a document that'll be just be adding to it on a yearly basis. 00:05:53
All righty, back down to five BA staff and commissioner announcements. I guess our our first bullet item there is Council member 00:06:01
Emilio, if you'd like to give us an update on what the council's been doing. 00:06:08
Just to. 00:06:24
Good evening everybody. 00:06:26
We had mayor's proclamation in regards to National Police Week. That was done. Mayor's proclamation was recognized the friends of 00:06:29
Public the. 00:06:33
Friends of Pacific Grove Library for 50 years of service. 00:06:40
And they were recognized for that later on in the presentation. There was a presentation by the Monterey Regional Airport by 00:06:45
Marianne Leslie. And it was very interesting. They're going to be basically a presentation was it's going to be the airport's 00:06:52
going to be expanded. And that's later down the road. It's it's just gotten too small. 00:07:00
Also. 00:07:08
The. 00:07:10
Other items? There were some. 00:07:12
Consent items that were approved by the council. The hospitality Improvement District was improved. Downtown Business Improvement 00:07:16
District was approved. The capital improvement project. 00:07:24
SB1 project list is going to be coming back to us. It's basically approved, but it's going to be it's in the queue right now. And 00:07:33
the other thing is the Central Coast Energy 3C enrollment. 00:07:42
Opt out from three choice to 3C. The George first from the environmental program manager just explained that to all of us. 00:07:52
What was a also a code of conduct which was brought to the Council, the original code of conduct which was not approved and the 00:08:03
original one that was in November of 2021. So if you have any questions, I'll be happy to answer them. Great, thank you. OK. 00:08:12
All right. Our next bullet item here is a report from Commissioner Stern concerning TMC updates. 00:08:24
All right, so our last meeting was May 1st in the city of Greenfield. 00:08:34
And we received an update on the Fort Ora Regional Trail and Greenway project, which is also known as 4 Tag. And for those of you 00:08:40
that don't know, 4 Tag is a larger effort to connect communities in and around the former Fort Ord area. It's a proposed as an 00:08:48
approximately 28 mile continuous 12 foot wide paved bicycle and pedestrian trail with an open space buffer on both sides. And Four 00:08:57
Tag will connect to the existing Monterey Bay Sanctuary Scenic Trail. 00:09:05
And will provide connections to unpaid trails in Fort Ord. 00:09:13
The northern loop of Fort Fort Tag in Circles Marina. It follows a 13 mile route that includes 3 miles of the existing Monterey 00:09:17
Bay Coastal Trail. The southern loop of Four Tag in Circle Seaside and bisects Delray Oaks following a 15 mile route that includes 00:09:24
4 miles of existing Monterey Bay Coastal Trail, and the route connects with existing and planned bike and pedestrian 00:09:31
infrastructure. Several sections of the paved trail were linked to nearby unpaved trails, and there are currently 4 segments in 00:09:38
progress. 00:09:45
Measure X is contributing 24 million to 4 tag and I'll just like give a brief update on what those segments are. Segment one, it's 00:09:53
Canyon Del Rey and State Route 218. This is currently in the process of awarding the construction contract. 00:10:02
And construction is expected to begin this summer and go through 2026, which is extremely exciting that we're breaking ground on 4 00:10:12
tag already. And this particular segment, it connects 4 different parks and the Delray Woods Elementary School Segment 2 is 00:10:20
between Imgin Road and Jerry Smith Access Corridor. The project is currently at 30% of the final design phase and construction is 00:10:27
slated to begin in 2027, if not sooner if they wrap up design sooner. 00:10:35
Segment three runs adjacent to California Ave. between the City of Marina and CSUMB and this segment is currently in the final 00:10:43
design phase with construction supposed to begin sometime this year or next year. Segment 4, it's part of the Laguna Grande 00:10:52
Regional Park and they are still looking for some funding on that. So the main update from TAMSI, we just received a four tag 00:11:00
update, which is great since it's a regional trail for Monterey Bay. 00:11:08
And that's my updates. Great, thank you. I just wanted to add to Commissioner Stern and I are working with TMC staff to have a 00:11:16
presentation at a future. 00:11:22
T Traffic Safety Commission meeting concerning. 00:11:30
The complete St. versus 0 Vision 0. 00:11:34
Ideas and then also potentially safer out to school discussion about that that program too. So great. Thank you. 00:11:40
Honestly, moving on to 5C, we do not have any updates from the subcommittee. 00:11:51
Oh. 00:11:58
Going back to the announcement section on 5/8 when you were talking about the making it public on a quarterly basis, and I wanted 00:12:02
to add to that, like I noticed in the minutes from last meeting that Commissioner Brown brought up wanting to have a a traffic 00:12:09
accident report. 00:12:16
Given to us and I was wondering if that. 00:12:24
Would be included maybe in that or could you or do you want to, you know, do we want to have? 00:12:28
Some kind of a schedule where we do get. 00:12:35
Those accident reports, it's my understanding in talking to staff that it would be kind of time consuming to compile a traffic. 00:12:38
Accident report on a monthly basis, I'm not sure if it's quarterly, if it's something that could be included quarterly or 00:12:51
annually. 00:12:55
I think it would be the most beneficial for this committee that when we meet on the quarterly basis and we speak about the 00:13:01
different complaints that the Traffic Safety committee has received. 00:13:08
That we go over the stats for traffic accidents within the city and because at that time you'll be able to align those traffic 00:13:16
accidents with the complaints and see if there's any themes that you see. But on a monthly basis, I I don't see the benefit for 00:13:23
for this committee because we don't have that many traffic accidents occurring for it to be of any benefit in regards to what 00:13:31
direction this committee would like to ask council to go in. 00:13:38
OK. And also just for clarification, we can give you very limited information in regards to accidents. So we can't you know turn 00:13:46
over accident reports. It's one of the more restrictive reports when it comes to PR a request. 00:13:54
All right. Thank you. Does that kind of answer your question? 00:14:04
Wondering if? 00:14:09
Reports of traffic accidents? There's probably a way for the public to access that anyway. Or not. 00:14:11
Like I know the pine Cone reports, you know they do their little reporting on. 00:14:17
Things like that. I'm just wondering if the public can just access the. 00:14:23
Police reports on that, yes. So we do our annual report. That's what the pine cone usually picks up on, and that's on a yearly. 00:14:28
That makes it more realistic for those stats to mean something, which is why it's annual, which is why we don't recommend doing it 00:14:34
on a monthly basis. 00:14:40
And so that is accessible through our annual report, which was posted about a week ago. 00:14:48
So the Pine Cone does have a list of incidents, but they're not necessarily traffic accidents. They're loose dogs. They're maybe 00:14:55
ticketing or towing. 00:15:01
Vehicles because of the 72 hour rule or stuff like that, but they're not. 00:15:07
They're not necessarily every traffic accident that's that's happened. 00:15:12
All right. So moving on to our regular agenda. 00:15:19
And under be unfinished business. 00:15:23
Our that first bullet item B1 first bullet item is actually moving to C1 and. 00:15:30
Bullet two is planned to be a continued discussion if if anyone wishes to, about the recommendations that the Traffic Safety 00:15:40
Commission sub subcommittee made at our April meeting. So. 00:15:49
Commander Delfino, are you able to? 00:15:59
Put those recommendations on the screen for us so we have a. 00:16:03
Review those and see if anybody has any questions. 00:16:14
Or comments. 00:16:18
Yeah, and they're on the screen right now. 00:16:25
All right, so we'll just start at the top there. Well, and their focus for vehicles this this came out from our discussions 00:16:34
looking into lowering the speed limit on a few different a few different streets here. Primarily what we're looking at is 17 mile 00:16:44
drive between. 00:16:53
Lighthouse and going South to Pebble Beach. There's this one section through there that is 30 miles an hour, though it has many 00:17:04
driveways, probably 40 plus driveways A. 00:17:11
Preschool to Little League parks, a number of apartments and condos I. 00:17:21
And some of the different. 00:17:28
Side streets such as Short and Pico and Pine have limited limited sight lines. We do have photographs, I'm not sure if those are 00:17:32
available today, but anyways, does anybody wish to discuss? 00:17:39
Or make comments on any of this and from the public too. 00:17:47
On umm. 00:17:52
That one stretch between Lighthouse and Pico that goes by the preschool. 00:17:53
So since. 00:17:59
That is a preschool there. Shouldn't it be 25 mph? 00:18:00
Because it's in. 00:18:05
Like a school. 00:18:07
School zone. 00:18:08
We staff, maybe staff has comment on that. 00:18:11
And it may not have been before because. 00:18:17
They hadn't developed that area to have a driveway in and out. 00:18:21
That's what I'm thinking. 00:18:28
Yeah, Staff, do you have any that are you familiar with the preschool there? It's right next to the Little League field there on 00:18:33
17 Mile Drive. 00:18:37
Kind of behind the adult school. 00:18:42
It is that. Is that considered a school zone? 00:18:45
We'd have to take a look at the traffic study and get back to you. Thank you. OK, thank you. So I. 00:18:54
We're going to look at that and early, I'm not sure which early about what section of early it's already 25 I believe is early, 25 00:19:01
miles an hour. 00:19:07
I'm not. 00:19:19
I'm not 100% sure Patterson, we, we've had this discussion at Patterson. I think we have. 00:19:20
A member of the audience wishes to discuss this too. This is an issue with that's come before the Traffic Safety Commission at 00:19:27
least several times before. And the section of Patterson Lane, right where there's a very steep hill between Funston and David. 00:19:36
In fact, why don't we? 00:19:48
About that now, Miss Garcia, do you wish to make a comment or presentation? 00:19:50
Oh, I'm sorry. 00:20:04
You hear me now? 00:20:08
Can you hear me? Yeah. OK, there we go. OK. Anyway, so, yeah, so I did. Well, first, I apologize for the lateness of my our point 00:20:11
getting to you guys. But anyway, so I'm glad to see the the speed limit of Patterson on this subcommittee recommendation list. 00:20:17
It's it's. 00:20:23
Commander Delphine, are you able to put that on the screen the her her PowerPoint? 00:20:31
Well, I'm sharing, so I would have to stop sharing my screen and then we could put that up. That would be OK. And we, if you can 00:20:41
come back to this one after this discussion. 00:20:46
Do you want me to continue or hang on for just? 00:20:55
And we'll start your 3 minutes again. OK. Thank you. 00:21:03
I'm working on it. 00:21:19
And I see Lisa Giannis hand is up. It will get to your question or comment or anybody online will get to your questions and 00:21:25
comments. And just a moment. 00:21:30
All righty, there we go. 00:21:50
Almost looks like I know what I'm doing, huh? You're fooled, everybody. 00:21:54
And one of the important points that I want to make with regards to Patterson Avenue going up and coming down is that there are no 00:22:32
pedestrian crossing signs except for one at the corner of Piedmont and Patterson Avenue or Lane. So I think with the installation 00:22:40
of those that would warn drivers as well because of the Crest that you approach going up Patterson, which in my opinion creates a 00:22:47
a blind spot for people who are trying to. 00:22:55
Either drive or across Benito Ave. or make a turn, let alone people who may be wishing to cross the street so. 00:23:03
Go to page 5, the 5th slide. I'm kind of speeding ahead of this so. 00:23:14
On page 5, this is the intersection of. 00:23:21
Presidio Blvd. and Funston Ave. when you come off of the home and highway and then the next intersection you have is Funston Ave. 00:23:27
at Patterson. 00:23:33
Looking at these two particular sites, again, I think it's very important to have some sort of signage, pedestrian crossing signs, 00:23:42
as a matter of fact, to alert people that there are people there. So going to slide number six. 00:23:48
Now I had to look at this a few times so. 00:23:56
The first sign you see when you proceed down Patterson is this 30 limit or speed limit, 30 radar and force and then your little 00:23:59
cross sign and I mean within a nanosecond then you have this 15 mile per hour recommended. 00:24:08
To me, that can be confusing for drivers who are already accelerating at 30 miles an hour to slow down to 15 as they continue to 00:24:18
proceed down Patterson. 00:24:24
And then on Slide 7, the next slide, that's just a full view of. 00:24:31
Benito Court and across the way is Benito Ave. and the 15 mile per hour recommendation. 00:24:37
So slide 8, the first photo is a picture of the actual hill on Patterson as a driver begins to descend. And then once you get down 00:24:48
to Piedmont, that is the only pedestrian crossing sign for all of Patterson Lane and then you have the speed trailer there. Thank 00:24:56
you very much for putting there that there people do appreciate it. 00:25:05
And so then on so you can finish up your 3 minutes is up. So oh, OK. Well then the final page are the recommendations. And so 00:25:14
although developing a traffic calming CIP program is a great idea, I believe that measure should be really considered an in place 00:25:22
now because of the complaints and what have you. 00:25:30
And the pedestrian crossing sign should be installed. And then finally consideration to install the speed aware radar speed signs 00:25:39
on both sides of Patterson going up and down. 00:25:45
Anyway, OK. So thank you very much. All right, thank you. 00:25:52
So I think we have some folks online that wish to make comments. 00:25:57
Hi, thank you. Lisa Chiani. And I just first wanted to ask if Commissioner, is it show Matt could could speak into her microphone 00:26:12
because I can't, I can't hear when she speaks? 00:26:19
Yeah, somebody recommended putting it a fist distance away from your mouth to to really get the effect here online. 00:26:27
So thank you. 00:26:39
Like a 17 mile, that's a 17 mile drive from Lighthouse to to Sunset. I think that one is hugely important. It's really tricky to 00:26:42
get across from Short to Pico and because there's the rise coming from from Lighthouse and you can't see cars. 00:26:52
And they managed to get going pretty fast, even coming that way, but coming from the other direction as well. It, it's, it's very 00:27:04
tricky crossing there and, and again, as as was already said, all the driveway's. 00:27:11
It it, it would be so much safer and more yes and less harrowing if if that speed limit could be reduced now I saw early on this 00:27:20
list, but. 00:27:28
What I had wanted to speak about was early and central, not speed limit so much. So is that a separate item that's going to come 00:27:38
up in just a moment? You can maybe save those comments. 00:27:44
OK, great. 00:27:51
But I do hope that that the speed limit can be reduced on 17 miles. That would be super. Thank you. Thank you. 00:27:54
And it looks like. 00:28:05
Miss Dahmer. 00:28:07
Thank you. 00:28:11
And thank you, Commissioner Shamus, because I couldn't hear anything you said. If you turn your head away from the and speak to 00:28:14
the chair instead of into your microphone, it's all lost. So thank you for addressing that. And yes, as long as we can see the 00:28:22
microphone and you speak into it, we can hear you. 00:28:29
I agree with Carmelitas and yes I saw her PowerPoint. 00:28:39
At the last minute and had trouble bringing it up, but but yeah, that was fine. And if we're going to address the early and 00:28:44
central later the next item, that's fine. I'll hold my comments for that also. But I wanted to thank you for doing the the 00:28:52
quarterly traffic incidents report. 00:29:00
And certainly it seems as if members of the public writing in give us a better description of accidents than, of course, the 00:29:09
Police Department could give us. So that's nice that the letters keep coming in. 00:29:16
And I think it's a city manager's report. 00:29:24
Well, biweekly now rather than weekly, but I think that's the one that has the different, whether it's traffic accidents or, you 00:29:31
know, all different incidents listed by the week. 00:29:37
Or the month and tallied up in comparison to the last year or. 00:29:45
You know how we are in perspective. I think that little grid is in the city managers report. Thank you very much. All righty, 00:29:54
thank you. 00:29:58
All right, Tony, can you just show that Commissioner Brown is here at 4:30? 00:30:07
Any other comments concerning the recommendations from the subcommittee? 00:30:16
We can go into. 00:30:23
Commander Delfino, are you able to? 00:30:26
Put that back on the. 00:30:28
Screen for. 00:30:31
A moment. 00:30:36
Or Mr. Doe. 00:30:41
All righty. And just to get in a little bit. 00:30:45
More. 00:30:49
Here on this first item, like Jewel for instance, it's a 30 mile an hour from Pacific up to Del Monte. All of these have sections 00:30:51
they're all 25 miles an hour and then you have a 30 mile an hour section and then it goes back to 25 there's. 00:31:00
I understand it has probably has to do with the 85 percentile. 00:31:11
Speed study and that there are sometimes extenuating circumstances where that can be, where that can be lowered. 00:31:16
Anyway, then working with the other. 00:31:27
Item here under vehicles working with the Police Department traffic engineer to add traffic calming measures. There's some of them 00:31:31
we've already talked about flashing signs, maybe 4-4 way stops, bulb outs. 00:31:37
On on a Lighthouse Ave. 00:31:45
Director Go is going to be speaking to that in just a moment and also under bicycles, the committee came up or suggested that the 00:31:50
city create a comprehensive bike plan to be included in the general plan. 00:31:58
That would come under probably under planning department purview though. Also add bike parking at a Syllamar beach. 00:32:07
They're currently I think is 1 loop type rack, but it's installed in such a way that it's. 00:32:17
It would generally covered by or blocked by cars. Umm. 00:32:26
This could could help encourage people to ride their bikes to the beach. 00:32:32
Also work with local businesses, possibly Chamber of Commerce to. 00:32:40
To install bike parking board bike bike parking downtown, including a. 00:32:48
Near a Grove market and in the library. 00:32:54
And then on down under pedestrians. I think 1 common criticism we get is many drivers don't. 00:32:59
Stop for pedestrians in crosswalks so that may be. 00:33:11
Either greater enforcement or I don't know if they're, you know, maybe other. 00:33:20
Like signs or other? 00:33:26
Devices to encourage people to stop. 00:33:30
For pedestrians. 00:33:36
And this this second one is another it's they know it's a a concern for a number of us on the Commission that. 00:33:39
Almost every street in and in Pacific Grove, at least in kind of the central part of Pacific Grove. 00:33:51
Where sidewalks are installed, they're not. 00:34:00
Consistent, there'll be sidewalks and then they'll be maybe bricks or dirt or sod or something else and they wouldn't, we don't 00:34:05
have a consistent, a consistent sidewalk plan and a number of encroachments in in the city right of way there too. 00:34:15
And then we try and kind of touched on it a moment ago concerning the Vision 0 action plan working that we'll have a hopefully 00:34:26
have a presentation by TMC in the near future to, to discuss what what that entails and how that how that compares with a complete 00:34:34
St. plan. 00:34:42
And. 00:34:52
That's that. Those are the the recommendations. 00:34:54
Do we have any questions, Commissioners? Do we have any questions or comments about that, Commissioner Brown? 00:34:59
Yeah, on the on the. 00:35:07
Pedestrian walkway issue. 00:35:10
One of the things too that I'm concerned about is the. 00:35:15
Unevenness of so many of our sidewalks. You can see when you walk by where the trees have been planted that sometimes are ups and 00:35:19
downs that are very dangerous, especially at night. 00:35:26
That involve people tripping and actually it's a question I would have for. 00:35:33
The Police Department and or whoever is feeding the information to the pine cone. I see often in the pine cone that it says 00:35:39
tripped on public walkways or public. 00:35:45
I'm wondering if that means. What does that mean? Aren't all of these sidewalks public? 00:35:53
I'm not exactly sure what you're referring to with the bank own, however they get our weekly. 00:36:01
Police blog basically put out there's a weekly all the incidents that occurred in the city and so they they he also recall cord if 00:36:09
people trip on sidewalks. Is that correct? Yes, we document that and get injured and I would like that to be part of the 00:36:16
presentation that you make on a quarterly basis if if that's possible. There's no agreement for a presentation to the council. We 00:36:24
agreed to come together and bring the complaints together. 00:36:31
And a review for something that the Traffic Safety Commission or committee could present the Council as. 00:36:41
Safety Commission, right and on a quarry basis we'll meet to go over all the different complaints that we received, accidents that 00:36:51
will be documented. We can include those in the accidents, but that is for you to formulate as a committee the direction that you 00:36:57
would like council to go in recommendations at this committee wants to make. 00:37:03
So the way. 00:37:10
So yeah, I, I apologize, I didn't mean for a recommendation to the council. I just was talking about reporting to us. 00:37:12
So if I can reflect on that so we'll so this quarterly so on a. 00:37:21
Monthly basis, so will be added to our list of things because we'll still be getting all, all of the, the written, written 00:37:29
complaints and will members of the audience and online will will be taking their their comments and complaints on a monthly basis. 00:37:38
That'll all be compiled into this document. And then quarterly we'll meet with the staff to to look to see which of those issues 00:37:46
really rise to the surface where they might need some. 00:37:54
Attention by the Commission here. Now that document will still be made public, will still be on the website, so it will be kind of 00:38:02
this living document that will be added to on a monthly basis. But I. 00:38:09
On a quarterly basis, we'll look to see if any of those incidences are there or is there a certain hot spot where we keep getting 00:38:17
the same same issue over and over again. But you'll you'll still have access to to that on a on a monthly basis. Yeah, I guess, I 00:38:25
guess my confusion is that we wouldn't necessarily get. 00:38:32
You know, report from a citizen saying X happened if somebody fell somewhere on a sidewalk, but it would be nice to know where 00:38:41
they're falling and that may be and, and that would be something that I guess on a monthly basis if that could be looked at from 00:38:47
the. 00:38:53
Police blotter? I'm not sure if that's something relevant to Traffic Safety Commission. 00:39:01
Can you repeat the first part of your question so that let me frame it a little differently? 00:39:09
One of the things I see in the pine cone, if you look at it, is all the reports from the police, Sometimes it'll say. 00:39:17
A fall on on public walkway or something to that effect. I wish I had it in front of me. I could tell you the exact warning, but 00:39:24
it'd be good to get some information on that on some periodic basis. Doesn't have to be monthly necessarily, but at least 00:39:30
quarterly as to where people are falling and where they're tripping. 00:39:36
If that's happening right, and I believe that's when we. 00:39:43
The staff and the committee meets outside of this hearing. 00:39:48
And we go over the stats to see if there's any specific direction that you wish to discuss and present to council eventually. 00:39:53
That's that's fine. You know, as long as that's included, that would be great. Thank you very much. 00:40:00
All right. Thank you. 00:40:08
So any anybody else wanting to comment on the recommendations? 00:40:12
Yes, you can hear me, Commissioner can hear me. 00:40:18
Just that. OK, so now that we have these recommendations, we approve these already. I'm going to get to that next and after we 00:40:23
approve them. 00:40:29
Then how to do some of these things get implemented instead of just staying as a goal? So one of the. 00:40:35
That next step, which has been suggested to me by staff, is that the commissioner will work with Council Member Emilio to bring 00:40:45
these not only our goals that we've already approved, but our recommendations to City Council. Have a presentation before City 00:40:52
Council. 00:41:00
And in the public to further discuss our our goals and recommendations and I guess encourage the City Council to to approve, 00:41:08
approve those and accept those or accept them and approve them. 00:41:16
OK, so this is all sometime in the future. 00:41:24
All right. 00:41:31
Any other? 00:41:32
Questions or comments? 00:41:34
And so anyway, can I get a motion for the Commission to approve the recommendations as we've submitted? 00:41:37
I make a motion to approve the recommendations I submitted. Thank you. I second, thank you. So it's been moved by Commissioner 00:41:48
Stern, seconded by Commissioner Brown to approve the recommendations as we've submitted. We have a roll call, please. 00:41:57
Anthony Green. 00:42:08
Yes, Katie Stern. Yes, Tony Proc. Yes, Lester Brown. 00:42:09
Yes. 00:42:17
Yes, Shamas, yes. 00:42:21
All righty, it's been. 00:42:25
Approved. 00:42:28
662-0211 being a vacant position. Alright, moving on to. 00:42:30
Was it 66C new business and this is essentially director goes presentation from last month just getting into a little bit more 00:42:41
maybe more detail or allowing the public for to discuss. 00:42:50
These items that. 00:43:00
We started discussing last month. 00:43:05
We could get that. 00:43:08
Is that presentation up on the? 00:43:10
Screen. That would be great. 00:43:13
Members of the Traffic Commission At your April Traffic Safety Commission meeting, I presented numerous. 00:43:35
The information that was provided in your April meeting was adequate and members of the public and the Commission asked their 00:44:16
questions. I don't feel it's necessary to go through this again, but I'll leave it here in case you guys have any questions. Thank 00:44:21
you. All right, thanks. 00:44:25
So we've already heard from our member of the public on one of these items and we have her presentation. 00:44:33
And it looks like we have some folks online that wish to comment. 00:44:42
All righty, go ahead. 00:44:53
Council Member Colletti. 00:45:02
Yeah. 00:45:18
Can you hear you now? OK, good. I got. I got muted. Apparently I sent an e-mail to the Traffic Safety Commission. 00:45:20
About OH back in February concerning the striping crosswalk stripings at the intersection of forest and lighthouse. 00:45:28
And I didn't see anything in the April agenda report about that and was just wondering if the city has any intention of of 00:45:37
striping sidewalks at that intersection. I've received several I. 00:45:45
Complaints slash suggestions for striping that intersection at forest and lighthouse. 00:45:55
As you know, it's the only crosswalk in the downtown area. 00:46:02
A long lighthouse that is not striped and. 00:46:07
I think it could, perhaps. 00:46:12
Warrants some consideration, so thank you for your time. 00:46:16
Thank you. 00:46:20
Director go, did you have any comment on I know you did some had done some work in that or the? 00:46:24
Public Works has done some work in that intersection. Be my suggestion to finish public comment and then the Commission could ask 00:46:30
any questions. All right. 00:46:34
Thank you. Normally they call our name before they stick the little unmute sign up but that didn't happen so I saw the unmute 00:46:47
sign. 00:46:52
I think Commissioner Brown possibly came in late enough that he didn't hear. I was referring to the letter, the newest letter that 00:46:58
came in on the accident, describing it very clearly from a member of the public on the early and Central. 00:47:06
Intersection that just came in and I'm saying the police. 00:47:15
Are member of the police that answered had said Oh well we don't really give out accident reports period. So I was saying that 00:47:22
well we had a very descriptive letter about what the accident that occurred there was. 00:47:31
So sometimes letters are very good for that. 00:47:41
That intersection. 00:47:47
Is still an ungodly intersection. The visibility is still bad. 00:47:50
It is too busy with all the different crosswalks and and ways that traffic go. I. 00:47:59
You can't really turn where you need to turn and it gets backed up all the time. 00:48:11
And with the new hotel, it is going to get worse before it gets better, and there's going to be all kinds of other. 00:48:19
Other drug. 00:48:31
Other traffic patterns that add into this. 00:48:32
And I'm saying that this intersection and especially in the in the transportation from the EIR needs to be very much re looked at 00:48:38
because of the parking lot that will be public parking lot, which is supposed to replace half of slope parking which they're 00:48:46
taking away with the hotel being built on it. 00:48:54
Half of the slope between Dewey and Eardley and the fact that the hotel entrance will be and all the construction. 00:49:03
And these are all really major problematic things coming down the Pike here that need to be addressed sooner rather than later. 00:49:13
And to have the Traffic and Safety Commission looking at this, they haven't given away or sold slope yet, but. 00:49:23
You know, I mean, just because the Coastal gave this hotel a CDP, they have a lot of conditions to meet, but it's still our 00:49:35
streets, our safety and our need to look at them very, very carefully. 00:49:42
Otherwise we are going to really have a mess there. So I it already is a mess, it's already rated F. 00:49:51
And no matter what our public director works director says to us, we already know we go through that. Me, that's my way out. So. 00:50:01
I urge you to. 00:50:14
Bring this up again. Thank you. Thank you. 00:50:16
I'm Lisa Gianni and 1st about early and central. 00:50:31
I I've heard for years at at Traffic Safety committee about people coming from uphill on early down to central and what the 00:50:40
traffic is like there but going up from slot or from Ocean View Blvd. I think it's getting worse and worse anyway. 00:50:50
I have great difficulty. 00:51:01
Turning, turning just even right there because of the amount of traffic and the poor visibility. And as Inga said, it could be a. 00:51:06
August of 2025, that demolition on that whole block from from slow to central and from early to Dewey or most of that block and on 00:51:21
a whole bunch of between ocean view and and slot demolition will start in August of 2025, possibly, very possibly because 00:51:30
otherwise they have to wait another year. 00:51:39
And, and, and construction is going to be massive. I mean, taking down concrete buildings and all the pavement and hauling it all 00:51:50
off to the landfill so that that intersection needs serious attention before, before that happens. It's already a concern. And 00:51:58
then the. 00:52:06
There, it'd be really nice to make the intersection and maybe I already said this earlier when I wasn't sure if you were talking 00:52:15
about that, but on Lighthouse at Congress, because you're it's so far across and you're looking at so many different. 00:52:24
Things. 00:52:34
With distractions, with parking and really a lot of coming and going with the with the post office and the restaurants there I. 00:52:36
But to keep track of the pedestrian crossing there and. 00:52:46
As well as the traffic that doesn't always slow down coming in on on lighthouse from the. 00:52:53
West. 00:53:01
That I really hope that that can be addressed. 4 way stops are really great in PG and I would think our relatively low cost 00:53:03
approach to that. I don't know if that works super super well with such a long way across but. 00:53:15
But I would think it would be better than what it is now. And you just want people to be safe in those crosswalks. OK, I think 00:53:27
that's it. Thank you very much. 00:53:32
Thank you. 00:53:37
And let's see nobody else online wishing to comment. 00:53:40
And. 00:53:46
I guess nobody else in. 00:53:48
Public. 00:53:51
And in our audience wishing to comment. 00:53:53
Commissioners, do you have any comments on these items or any questions for staff or? 00:53:57
Go ahead, Commissioner Brown. Yeah, I'm looking at the intersection on my Google map. 00:54:05
This is, I was just about to say it utterly and early and central, OK and. 00:54:12
And it what I'm seeing here for the most part is. 00:54:20
You have the shopping center to the right. 00:54:25
You have, I guess, the Chamber of Commerce and the back entrance to a parking lot. 00:54:28
Does it make and? I guess it doesn't make any sense, but. 00:54:35
I would ask. 00:54:39
Mr. GOH, has there ever been any thought about rerouting the traffic that we know is going to be coming out of the hotel and 00:54:42
making that a one way St. going towards the water? 00:54:48
To take care of at least part of the issue, Commissioner Brown, during the circulation of the environmental impact report for the 00:54:55
hotel, a robust traffic analysis was completed and brought forth with the transportation section of that EIR. I'm not familiar 00:55:02
with it. 00:55:08
And with what that states. But it wasn't the recommendation to do any improvements at that intersection on Central Ave. at least 00:55:16
that Public Works has not been approached with yet. The hotel still two years out. It's premature to start discussing any capital 00:55:26
improvement improvements to Central Ave. associated with the hotel when the hotel is yet to even submit a complete set of plans. 00:55:36
And so on and so forth. But I would have to review the traffic traffic section of the EIR to see what they're stating. When the 00:55:46
hotel is ready to break ground, we'll be working with the contractor and the developers to adequately provide truck routes in and 00:55:54
out of the construction sites and all of that. So assumptions that are being made about ways that construction activity is going 00:56:02
to occur is premature at this point. 00:56:09
Let me ask you one other question. Has there been a consideration and I apologize if there has and somehow I didn't recall it of 00:56:18
making stop putting stop signs on Congress there? 00:56:24
Congress and this, no, this is between Central and Central and early. OK, you're talking about early and then as you did say 00:56:33
Congress. Yeah, on Central, putting them on central when when you asked me two months ago to evaluate Lighthouse or early and 00:56:40
Central, we evaluated the intersection and there was no. 00:56:47
No further action that need to be taken. From public works standpoint it didn't meet the warrants and that would create 00:56:54
significant queuing up into the David Ave. and Lighthouse intersection on both directions. You would have queuing of automobiles 00:57:01
into that signaled. 00:57:07
Intersection. 00:57:16
In Monterey, if you were to do that, let me ask you one other question. What about the thought of putting a stop sign on 00:57:17
Lighthouse as it comes into Hurley from downtown Pacific Grove? 00:57:24
That intersection has not been evaluated, but I guarantee you it's not going to meet the warrants for a four way stop at that 00:57:32
intersection either. We're not talking about a four way stop. I'm just I guess it would be a three-way stop. 00:57:37
You've just got this where you know, a lighthouse splits. I'm well aware of it. Yes, right. And I'm talking about. 00:57:45
The cars can come down there pretty quick and I can see how people could be. 00:57:55
Surprised. Even when you come to that intersection in a car, you know, sometimes you got to be really careful as to how far. 00:58:01
He would go into the intersection based upon the speed of the people coming from the Pacific Road. And I need to caution the 00:58:09
Commission that we can't engineer enforcement. So if there's a speeding issue, then enforcement needs to occur. But we can't 00:58:16
constantly be looking at intersections for engineering or stop and stop signs. Our engineering enforcement by engineering doesn't 00:58:23
always work and it's very, very expensive. 00:58:30
So if there's a speeding issue. 00:58:39
And we need to be made aware of that so we can ask the Police Department to increase patrols, set up their radar systems, but we 00:58:41
can't just go around and keep. 00:58:46
Trying to address a perceived issue by engineering. 00:58:53
Nobody would be able to travel anywhere. They would go every block and there would be a stop sign. 00:58:59
What about some kind of signage there? 00:59:04
There's there's adequate sign at that intersection. Already had early in my house. 00:59:07
Oh, OK. I'm, I, I this, that's all my questions. OK, Shamas, Commissioner Shamas, you have a question. Well, I'd like, I'd like to 00:59:19
suggest to our Commission that we hold a public hearing and that at that public hearing. 00:59:27
We invite a. 00:59:37
Our citizens to come and identify the most troublesome intersections and that we put together a list of the most uh. 00:59:40
Complained about intersections and so we have an idea of you know exactly which ones. 00:59:52
Create are creating the most, whether it's perceived or not it I mean, I don't think there's any question that central and early 00:59:58
are problematic in many, many ways. So I think that having a public hearing where people can come and tell us exactly which 01:00:08
intersections they they would rate and that we have that as a recommendation that we can give to the City Council. 01:00:19
And, you know, I mean, these, these things keep coming up. Like are these all, you know, imagine? No, they, these same 01:00:29
intersections keep coming up. And I've only been on here for a year, but I've seen the same ones come up for a year. So this, this 01:00:36
is at least the first step in a public hearing and, and, and hearing these out public works has done traffic studies and has made 01:00:44
modifications on some of these already. They may or may not have. 01:00:51
Fulfilled all the needs. 01:01:00
Uh, that and the fact that we're putting together, we're compiling all of these and then on a quarterly basis we're looking at 01:01:03
those and bringing those forward. These have all been brought forward. 01:01:10
Today, and so Public Works has been able to do some kind of study. 01:01:17
Usually with their with their traffic engineer to determine what, if anything, is is doable here. 01:01:24
That said that we obviously we still have these to contend with and. 01:01:36
So. 01:01:47
Anybody any other commissioners have any other comments? 01:01:49
We'll go back. I think our. 01:01:53
In person, public here, wants to make a comment. And well, first, you know, I want to support what Commissioner Samash has 01:01:58
suggested with a public hearing because I tell you monthly board and Commission meetings are very different from holding an actual 01:02:05
public meeting. There's just a real different perception there. And plus you get publicity. So I think you might end up with the 01:02:13
house full if you were to actually go down that road anyway. 01:02:20
You know, I I don't want this to get by me with regards to this intersection evaluation and so the report from the April 23rd 01:02:29
meeting with regards to Congress and Caledonia the. 01:02:37
Request and the PowerPoint I had presented regarding pedestrian crossing signage very different than from what was presented with 01:02:47
no crosswalks. I you know, I wasn't suggesting that or recommending that. 01:02:53
And so I don't know where that's at, but to, I mean, I want to refute this evaluation because there was a William Silver, the the 01:02:59
previous traffic engineer, there was a report he did in May on May 28th, 2019, which is totally obsolete to 2024. And what I was 01:03:07
suggesting as far as pedestrian crossing signage and whether or not making AU turn at that corner of Grove St. and and Central was 01:03:16
legal or illegal. 01:03:24
Anyway, you have to look at the PowerPoint again. But, you know, I would ask that you not approve this report regarding Congress 01:03:33
and Caledonia because it's not factual, it's not accurate, It's not what was being requested. And it's, you know, it's old, old 01:03:41
information. Anyway. Thank you. Yeah, I'm not sure we're we're not, we're not approving. 01:03:49
These evaluations, this is an evaluation that was done by by public works and we're discussing that now it's it doesn't mean that 01:03:57
it's a done deal either either yes or no, but right. So the action is to receive the report. So what happens after the report is 01:04:06
received? Where does it go? So these reports if well, if you were here during the the April meeting, there was a. 01:04:16
At each of these intersections, the public works director made their report made their had drew their conclusions, and their 01:04:27
conclusions were that. 01:04:32
Based on their evaluations and the lack of warrants and other factors that none of these intersections required any any additional 01:04:38
work. Now we don't necessarily agree with that, but that's what Public Works is. 01:04:46
The installation of pedestrian crossing signage, which is very different than what is on this agenda report. I want to just point 01:04:58
that out because it's critical, it's important. 01:05:04
Gumby, thank you. We did. As part of the April presentation, we did state that improvements could be upgrade that could include 01:05:10
upgraded signage. Public Works has gone out, We've ordered signs, we've ordered Playground ahead signs, we've ordered. 01:05:17
Like the sign that has the adult and the child in the location to slow down traffic. So that is an example that we have heard 01:05:26
members of the public, we have evaluated this intersection. 01:05:33
And we are making those necessary improvements. Thank you. 01:05:39
I wasn't asked at April, I said at April. PowerPoint said improvements could include upgraded signage, public works to review. 01:05:43
OK. 01:05:57
So. 01:06:00
What are the other intersections that we've already discussed today, Patterson? Again, this has come up not only because of the 01:06:02
speed, the higher speed limit in this particular section, but for the site. 01:06:10
Sightline issues. The issues for pedestrian crossings. 01:06:19
And and it was the Commission. 01:06:28
Wish to I guess delve in the into any of these. 01:06:32
These intersections more than we already have before I Before I get into that, I. 01:06:37
Council member Colletti had did have a question concerning lighthouse and forest commissioner go to director go. Did you want to 01:06:45
comment on any improvements that the city's made there? And as the Commission knows, we've made improvements to the intersection 01:06:53
already that meet the compliance with the AB 413. We've removed the last parking spot on the approach to the existing crosswalk. 01:07:01
We've trimmed the vegetation as I presented the April meeting. 01:07:09
And we've made those improvements. This was a capital improvement project, a beautification project that occurred in I think 2000 01:07:17
and 12/13 time frame. 01:07:22
So that was approved by the City Council with all of the appropriate markings and the decorative features associated with that 01:07:28
intersection. I would have to go back and see if I could dig up any of that information and review what those recommendations were 01:07:33
for that intersection. 01:07:39
All right, Thank you. And can you? 01:07:46
Can you bring that back to us at our at our next meeting? 01:07:50
Potentially. Thank you. 01:07:54
Can you go into a little bit of detail on your report on Lighthouse and Congress that already came up today with another? 01:07:57
Of what your recommendations are, I know one of one of our recommendations is was to add a four way stop or stops on on lighthouse 01:08:07
but. 01:08:12
You had you. 01:08:19
Didn't think that that was viable or he didn't meet the. 01:08:21
The number of warrants, it didn't meet the number of I think that the number of cars through that intersection and there were some 01:08:27
other issue. 01:08:32
Issue there, could you? 01:08:39
Comment on that. 01:08:41
White House from Congress, as I presented in April. You just hit the nail on the head. It doesn't meet the warrants for a stop 01:08:43
sign. There's been 17 crashes there over the last 10 years, which is less than two a year. The average speed is 16.3 miles an 01:08:51
hour. We've made the improvements already with the additional markings and the new signage. I have no more information to add. 01:08:59
And I'll, I'd want to put them on the spot that Commander Anderson, you and I have a little bit of a discussion. 01:09:09
After last month's meeting concerning the ability to. 01:09:15
Issue citations for people, not. 01:09:23
Not for instance, stopping at a stop sign if the stop sign can't be showed shown as just a justifiable through warrants in traffic 01:09:29
traffic studies. Could you elaborate a little bit on that? 01:09:37
You're correct pretty much what you said. If it's not justified by the warrants and it's not a legally enforceable sign and it 01:09:46
also could potentially put the city. 01:09:52
In some type of liability, if there was an accident that someone could show that that signage had caused. 01:09:59
If it's not warranted. 01:10:06
OK. 01:10:09
Thank you. 01:10:10
I have a question in general. I know one of the recommendations was looking at reducing speeds in certain areas and obviously that 01:10:12
has to be studied by the traffic engineer. One area I am wondering about in particular for Patterson, what is the process for 01:10:21
looking at potentially lowering by 5 mph in like areas like that? What what is that process? 01:10:31
I'm not an expert on that, Commissioner Stern, but our traffic engineer will go out and they will begin by counts and then they 01:10:43
would do their speed surveys and we would get all of the information, traffic number, speed surveys. 01:10:49
Determine the 85th percentile, then you've got to go in and you've got to adjust your speed reports. Patterson Lane is noted in 01:10:56
our code as a 30 mile an hour Rd. So then with all your speed reports and your speed surveys, it would have to be changed and so 01:11:05
on and so forth. So any new speed is enforceable by the law. They're all set by the 85th percentile vehicle that's traveling. 01:11:15
And that's how a speed is determined, and that's how a speed violation is enforceable in the court of law. 01:11:25
So in the the follow up, if we like, our first recommendation was to review the areas that were a 30 mile per hour. Since we just 01:11:35
approved that, I'm asking city staff what the next step would be for that evaluation of the 85th percentile. Is that something 01:11:43
that we can agendize as a a goal for this? 01:11:51
I know I'm I'm, I'm jumping here. 01:12:06
Can I, could I make a comment relative to that? It would be my understanding that if if that 3030 for instance, Patterson Lane, so 01:12:11
that's noted as a 30 mile an hour speed limit. Can we assume that that's the 85th percentile speed limit and and does well? 01:12:21
I asked the question. My understanding is that Caltrans. 01:12:33
Design guidelines allow the speed limit to be reduced by 5 miles an hour if there are extenuating circumstances, for instance on 01:12:39
Patterson Lane and actually on all these other ones too. 01:12:46
Where there are sight line issues where you have a steep grade, where you have pedestrian issue, pedestrians crossing and again 01:12:53
sight line issues for the pedestrians. So is it possible to if you if one assumes that that 30 mile an hour is the. 01:13:03
The 85th percentile. Can you just reduce that by 5 miles an hour? You might have to change some of the city. 01:13:13
City code, but, and because of these, what we believe and I think what most people of the public would believe are extinuating 01:13:20
circumstances that require that lower speed limit. 01:13:27
I don't have an answer to that. I don't know if you can just suggest 5 miles an hour one way or the other. It's in the code. Our 01:13:37
city code has a 30 mile an hour. We just did our speed surveys, which was presented before the Traffic Commission and then 01:13:43
ultimately approved by the City Council a few years ago. So that's something we would have to evaluate. Going back to Commissioner 01:13:48
Stern's question. 01:13:54
I've in my opinion, once this Commission approves your goals, you guys should present those goals to the City Council and you 01:14:01
should ask the City Council to allocate time for staff in our traffic engineer to go through and do that evaluation if that's what 01:14:07
you're requesting. There's a financial component to that, and that financial component should be allocated through the City 01:14:13
Council. 01:14:19
Thank you. 01:14:27
All righty. Mr. Chairman, I've got a question. Mr. Brown, go ahead with our Commissioner and brought up, I think, an excellent 01:14:31
point that we should hold a public hearing on troublesome intersections, and I'm wondering when it would be appropriate to make a 01:14:37
motion on that issue. 01:14:43
Well, let's see. Do any other commissioners have any questions? 01:14:55
Go ahead. And Commissioner Stern, regarding that request. I am considering that this Commission here is trying to take into 01:15:01
account all of the comments that we do receive via e-mail and we are trying to compile that list of comments in a way that we are 01:15:08
hoping to address the hotspots that I know we've indicated that we want to correct and working with the Police Department to look 01:15:15
at zones and. 01:15:23
We'll hear a presentation on Vision 0. 01:15:31
From TMC soon to kind of understand how to address those types of problematic areas. 01:15:34
So my recommendation, I think what the chairman was alluding to is that we are kind of going through that process right now by 01:15:42
collecting this information and we just received the report from Mr. Go. So I'm, I'm feeling like we are currently in that type of 01:15:49
process and we're so that, that, that is my personal opinion is that we're kind of embarking on that right now. 01:15:56
I think we'll we'll. 01:16:06
We will have a better understanding at the end of June because at that time we'll be evaluating 6 months, essentially 6 months 01:16:07
worth of comments, both written in world that have now been by that time been compiled into this Traffic Safety Commission. 01:16:18
Report that we'll be looking at and then be able to. 01:16:29
I guess analyze which. 01:16:36
Which are the hotspots and as Commissioner Stern mentioned, hopefully in our by our next meeting we'll have Tam C presentation 01:16:39
about. 01:16:44
Vision Zero and and also Complete Streets. 01:16:51
I guess my, my, my position on this would be as the commissioners position, as I think as well is that we need to do some public 01:16:57
outreach. 01:17:02
We've got, yes, plenty of complaints and we do have certain intersections, but I think it would be really good to be able to 01:17:08
create a situation where we also got some support, because it appears that unless we have very strong support with regard to 01:17:15
certain intersections, nothing is going to get done. Ultimately, things have to go to the City Council, resources may have to be 01:17:22
allocated, and I think it would be helpful to the Commission. 01:17:29
If we allowed people to speak up and try to create an event that would give us that kind of momentum. And in terms of the timing, 01:17:37
maybe you're correct, Mr. Chairman, Maybe we need to hear this one. 01:17:44
Additional set of presentations from PMAC or whatever. 01:17:52
To help frame that, but I think we need to seriously consider holding such a hearing. 01:17:57
I have one more comment I guess my only Oh sorry did would you like to go? 01:18:05
I did not see that. 01:18:12
My only concern on the before we go public, let's make sure we we've explored the whole thing because when you rail up the 01:18:14
population that may backflip, you may have a lot of backlash, especially if we can't. 01:18:21
Fix some of these things that everybody's concerned about. 01:18:29
Oh, and that's part of the problem, I think. I don't think we're fixing almost anything, to be honest. 01:18:32
That that. 01:18:39
That was actually my same fear is that we've already received a report from Mr. Go and it feels like unless we, our roads and 01:18:42
traffic patterns meet the warrants, like we're not able to actually move the needle and make a change. And so I'm worried that we 01:18:50
are going to get a lot of public comment and still with the legality of not meeting the warrants, we still won't be able to make 01:18:57
any change. Well, I, I think part of what we have here. 01:19:05
At least as far as I I can tell is is, you know, this is not necessarily getting to everybody. We've had a lot of people show up 01:19:13
here with concerns and we keep coming up with the same issues. I think would be good to have a situation where Mr. Go and our 01:19:18
traffic people and the police could explain this. 01:19:24
To the, to the public. I, you know, part of the problem is I don't have any people really follow this Commission to be honest. 01:19:30
And, you know, I think it would be better to have that some form of communication where they can explain this so that everybody is 01:19:38
on the same page. Otherwise we're going to keep getting these. 01:19:43
Reports over and over and over how many times we heard about the same intersections. I think part of that is that we we don't 01:19:50
really have a way to communicate with the public. How would we do that? People can turn it, you know, can can turn us on on the 01:19:56
video. But how many people did it today? Eight people, seven people. Maybe it would be good to try to get people together and say 01:20:02
OK. 01:20:08
Hear your concerns, let's address them. We've addressed some of these many times. This is why we can or cannot do it. That's 01:20:14
really what I'm looking for. And I, I, I don't have any, you know, specific ideas on how to get it done other than to kind of open 01:20:22
up a forum and give everybody an opportunity. At the very least, we could then say we gave everybody an opportunity. Come before 01:20:29
the Commission to listen to Mr. Go, to listen to the police as to what's going on, on this. 01:20:36
You were put on notice and if the city is going to do something about it and can do something about it. 01:20:44
Within the law, for example, the warrant issue, I I found that fascinating. Some people are going to understand that that is going 01:20:52
to be a restriction. 01:20:55
I think it would be more important to do that if we can do it. 01:21:00
So the timing exactly on this, I don't know, maybe the fall is a better time to do it, but I think we should consider. 01:21:05
All right. 01:21:15
Do we have any other questions or comments? 01:21:16
All right. Let's just, we're going to put a pin in that because I think it's a good idea, but I think it it hasn't. 01:21:21
It's not ripe yet. I think we, we need some more information. I want to get some information from Tamsi and and then I want to 01:21:31
think how how would we, how would we do this? Would we just open it up? What's your worst? What's the worst street? Do we just 01:21:36
want to work it? 01:21:42
Opened it up to anything or do we want to narrow it down to what we believe because of the number of complaints that we're getting 01:21:48
and that will be have compiled 6 months worth at the at the end of June. 01:21:55
And then narrow it down, at least so it's in. 01:22:03
Bite size as opposed to just citywide. 01:22:09
I will say, though, if Commissioner Shamas wants to make a motion, you should feel free to make a motion. Well, I'd like to at 01:22:14
least make a motion that we agendize it and, and not just, I mean, putting a pin in it is OK if you say the pin is for July, you 01:22:23
know, I, I mean, because we can just, you know, push that can down the road. 01:22:31
And and even if it, what we're going to talk about is how we're going to structure a public hearing, which is what I'm getting 01:22:40
that you're we don't even know how we're going to structure it, let alone. 01:22:48
But let's put it on the agenda to talk about how to structure it. 01:22:55
Because otherwise it, it just never will materialize. And I think it's it, it holding a public meeting is something that we 01:23:00
actually can do. 01:23:06
In our. 01:23:13
Commission handbook, it says we can do that Otherwise there's not much else we can really do I mean, so I'm going to make a motion 01:23:15
that we. 01:23:20
Put together a or that we agendize a public hearing in order to. 01:23:26
Talk about how we will have a public hearing. 01:23:34
I want to 2nd that. 01:23:39
Did you have a specific for July, For July? I'm sorry. Yeah. You're good with July. I'm fine with July. OK. Could we have a roll 01:23:42
call vote on that? 01:23:46
We've had a a motion by Shamas and 2nd by Brown to have A to agendize a meeting to decide how to prepare a public hearing for 01:23:51
traffic, traffic issues in the at our July meeting. And we have a roll call please you. 01:24:04
Commissioner Greening, Yes. Commissioner Stern? Yes. Commissioner Brock, Yes. 01:24:17
Commissioner Brown. 01:24:23
Gumby, yes. 01:24:25
Commissioner Shamas, Yes. 01:24:27
All righty. So we've got something on our July agenda already. Great. 01:24:30
All right. There are no other, no other questions about these particular locations for by commissioners, is that correct? All 01:24:37
right, let's move on to C2. This is just an update on the capital improvement. 01:24:46
The projects that were approved by City Council, I believe last week or the week before. 01:24:58
Mr. Go Thank you, Chair Gumby, members of the Traffic Commission and these items were approved for submission into the budget, but 01:25:07
the budget hasn't been approved yet. So they're like tentatively approved until the budget's approved and money's allocated 01:25:14
towards them, if that makes sense. Can we get those on the Do you have the list? 01:25:22
They're in your agenda packet, but I can tell them it's the number one. First project is street Rehab, which is Forest Ave. from 01:25:31
Sunset to Spazer. And then the 2nd Rd. that we're doing with our street rehab project would be 19th St. from Sunset to Cynics at 01:25:38
1.7 million. Then we're going to do our crack and slurry seal at which is various locations throughout town at 400,000. Then 01:25:46
there's a pedestrian safety improvement project for the intersection of Central and Fountain. 01:25:54
That's associated with the Pacific Grove Hotel project down there adjacent to the library. That those intersection improvements 01:26:02
are specifically called out in the resolution that was approved by City Council both in 2018 and then modified in 2022. 01:26:12
When the hotel transferred ownership and it's called out for the city and the developer to do improvements at that intersection. 01:26:25
And then there's recreation trail improvements that will be making over the next two years. The first year adjacent to Espinal 01:26:32
Park, the first year would be $20,000 to design, engineer and ultimately permit those improvements. We're looking to do a little 01:26:39
bulb out. 01:26:47
Because the trail has is eroding and pedestrians were bouncing up into the roadway, so we put up a temporary little walkway with 01:26:55
delineators and big cones for protection. I. 01:27:01
And then in year 2, we'll do construction. Those are the projects that were approved that are associated with any type of 01:27:09
multimodal movements throughout the city. 01:27:16
All right. Thank you. I had a question. I I was looking at the I guess your presentation to you. I would recommend opening it up 01:27:25
the public comment before Commissioner questions. So I don't mean to interrupt. Sure. 01:27:31
Any public comment? 01:27:39