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Welcome to a special meeting of the Traffic Safety Commission on 23rd 2024, just as a note. 00:00:00
The April meeting has technically canceled because posting at. 00:00:08
Outside on the kiosk was not made in a timely manner, so this is now a. 00:00:15
Considered a special meeting. 00:00:22
So moving on, can we have a roll call please? 00:00:24
Yes. 00:00:29
Chair Gumby. 00:00:31
Vice Chair Brown. 00:00:35
Commissioners Rock. 00:00:41
Shamus. 00:00:45
Chamas. 00:00:51
You just gotta hit the it's the opposite of what you think on the button there, right in front of your mic. 00:00:55
Gotcha. OK. 00:01:01
Stern. 00:01:04
Stern there. 00:01:13
Thank you and Greening. 00:01:17
OK, six present one vacancy. 00:01:20
You moving on to the agenda. I do have one change on the agenda. 00:01:26
Our proposed. 00:01:33
Minute taker. It was going to be Vice Chairman Brown, but. 00:01:36
Commissioner Stern will take that possibility for this meeting. 00:01:43
Do you have any other changes to the agenda? 00:01:50
Seeing none, can I have a motion to approve the agenda as? 00:01:55
Modified. 00:02:00
I move to approve. 00:02:04
I was taking that. 00:02:06
Been moved and seconded to approve the agenda as modified. We have a roll call please. 00:02:08
Greening. 00:02:19
Chamas. 00:02:22
Stern. 00:02:25
Yes, Vice Chair Brown. 00:02:27
And chair Gundy 601 Vacancy. 00:02:30
All right. Thank you. 00:02:38
And moving on to the minutes. 00:02:40
Any change to the minutes that's submitted? One change. OK, this is Commissioner Shamas. Yes, I put the next meeting was April 00:02:45
25th, so should be changed to April 23rd then or? Yes, OK. 00:02:54
So we'll make that modification. 00:03:04
Any other changes to the minutes? 00:03:07
The the minutes noted the next meeting was April 25th and we'll change the minutes to 23rd. 00:03:11
I'll take care of that change for you, Sir. We have a motion. We have a motion to approve the minutes as changed. I move to 00:03:25
approve the minutes. Have a second. 00:03:30
I'll second. It's moved and seconded to approve the minutes as modified. We have a roll call, please, Vice Chair Brown. 00:03:37
Yes. 00:03:45
Commissioner Proc. 00:03:46
Yes. 00:03:58
Shamas. 00:03:59
Shamas. Yes. Stern. 00:04:08
Yes, screening. 00:04:13
Yes, and Chair Gundy. 00:04:15
601 Vacancy. 00:04:19
All right. Moving on to public comment, we have. 00:04:22
Several comments that we had received, one was the first one anonymous was actually a complaint made to the directly to the Police 00:04:29
Department concerning speeding, if I remember along Caledonia and Central and. 00:04:40
17th and 18th. 00:04:53
And then? 00:04:57
Second one is Garcia. 00:05:00
And this had to do with. 00:05:03
The lighthouse corridor and. 00:05:07
The lack of any pedestrian facilities along lighthouse approximately from. 00:05:12
Well, essentially from 17th or 17 mile drive to Solomar Ave. 00:05:20
And moving on. 00:05:30
Murray. 00:05:35
To pull this up on my. 00:05:45
And this had to do with. 00:05:51
Oh, good old days. And the. 00:05:55
Routing of traffic around Lighthouse during good old days and concerns about speeding on some of the side streets, such as 17th 00:06:00
and Laurel. 00:06:06
And uh. 00:06:12
Congress. 00:06:14
And then moving on and then we have. 00:06:18
From. 00:06:24
Engadomler, Bobber. 00:06:28
Just scroll through here. That has to do a. 00:06:34
Actually, one of them had to do with spelling that's already been taken care of. 00:06:42
But it also had to do with the issues around. 00:06:46
Early and central, I believe. 00:06:51
And. 00:06:57
That actually will probably be discussing those that today. 00:07:00
Umm, anyway any do we have any public or anybody in the public would like to comment today? 00:07:04
Mr. Chair, you, you forgot the one for Miss Garcia. 00:07:13
Which one was that then? 00:07:20
Caledonia, did you, did you mention that one already? I'm sorry with the PowerPoint. 00:07:23
I did not. 00:07:31
I thought the one that she did was this last one was just about White House. 00:07:38
Potentially this. I apologize if I didn't hear you say her name. I'm sorry, but we are going to discuss that. 00:07:43
Central and Caledonia area later on today too. And so any other public comment? 00:07:54
In person, seeing none, we can move over to number six, the Commission and staff announcements. Do we have any staff 00:08:03
announcements? 00:08:08
Seeing none, Yes I have a staff announcement. 00:08:16
I'd like to introduce Commander Dawn Delfino, who's there in person. She started with us on April 15th and she's returning to 00:08:22
Pacific Grove after 18 years of working in Gilroy. So she was employee here with us 18 years ago. So we're very excited to have 00:08:31
her come back home, back to the PGPD family. So just give her a nice big welcome. I appreciate that. 00:08:39
Great. 00:08:49
Welcome, Commander Delfino. 00:08:51
All righty moving any other? 00:08:56
Staff announcements. 00:08:58
Director Go. 00:09:00
We'll just say about good old days is May 4th to the 6th. So obviously Lighthouse Ave. will be closed down for quite a bit and 00:09:03
there'll be different traffic patterns. So, you know, we recommend that you walk to the to the event if you can. Parking will be 00:09:11
limited. We're excited about the event. It's a great event for the city, brings a lot of visitors to the community. 00:09:18
So just be careful during those days. Thank you. 00:09:26
All righty. Thank you. 00:09:30
As as noted at the beginning, the minutes will be prepared this month by Commissioner Stern. 00:09:33
And moving on to. 00:09:42
Our council lay is on. 00:09:45
Emilio. 00:09:49
Thank you. 00:09:53
Just to tell you briefly. 00:09:55
The mayor had several proclamations that he did in the beginning. Also we. 00:09:59
Had a several consent items that was approved. There was a ballot measure that was discussed that is still shall we say in the 00:10:07
queue went back to Mr. Perrault and the staff's going to discuss it and then. 00:10:16
Daniel Go, a public works director, discussed the Cedar Sunset Congress intersection improvements. 00:10:27
Project and there was some discussion on that and he's going to come back with something later also I forgot to say there were 00:10:34
some service awards presented to several of our employees and also I. 00:10:42
There was a certificates several interns from Germany have been here and they were presented certificates of appreciation. Also 00:10:52
the there was a presentation by the Monterey Peninsula Water Supply Project and several questions was asked and they were they 00:11:02
seemed to be fine. There was also on Monterey one water. 00:11:12
Affirming the City of Pacific Grove's intent to move to city's billing for wastewater sewage charges for the County of Monterey on 00:11:23
your tax bill and that was approved and. 00:11:28
That's about it. I haven't. If you have any questions, I'd be happy to answer them for you. Great. 00:11:35
The most important I did have that circle there we also. 00:11:49
Of all things I forgot. I hope he's not listening tonight, but we approved the the new city manager, Matt Organson. He was an 00:11:56
assistant city manager in the city of Marina and he's also had a a fairly lengthy background and he was introduced to the council. 00:12:04
We all approved it seven O vote and there were well over. There was a question that came up. There was well over 30 candidates. In 00:12:12
fact, to be exactly there was 44 candidates. 00:12:21
Uh, in, in the, in the queue when we interviewed the top six and Matt came out number one, he also came out number one. We also 00:12:30
had the management team interview. 00:12:36
The top three and Matt also came out number one, so eventually you'll probably get to meet him and it's great. Great person, 00:12:43
right? Would be a great city manager. Great. OK, any questions? 00:12:50
Commissioners, I guess you live local. 00:12:57
Pardon me, he's probably lives local too. Well, he lives in Pardon me, He'll he'll be local for a change. 00:13:00
He's in this, I think he is. Residence is in the city of Marina right now. So as far as yeah, he's Southern California. 00:13:08
Any other questions or anything? 00:13:20
Yep. OK. Thank you. Thank you. 00:13:23
All righty. 00:13:26
Commissioner Stern, do you have any updates on the TMC Bike and Pedestrian Committee? Yep, I attended the TMC meeting this month 00:13:28
and. 00:13:33
And the thank you, Commissioner Brown, for bringing up that the Tamsi bike route map did not have Pacific Grove on it, so the next 00:13:38
updated version will include Pacific Grove. Once that iteration goes to print. I'll make sure to notify the Commission when that's 00:13:46
available. The City of Monterey also gave a presentation of their traffic system and their pedestrian bike upgrades as related to 00:13:53
the traffic system. And so it's interesting they use video detectors for bicycles to help make sure that bikes and pedestrians are 00:14:00
taken into. 00:14:08
Account during traffic cycles and they also use adaptive AI learning for the seven corridors within Monterey and it's been a great 00:14:15
system. There are some random things that happen like birds will sit on the cameras and make it a bit difficult, but generally 00:14:24
it's been a good adaptive resource for the seven corridors within Monterey. The next update is that there was a presentation about 00:14:32
Laguna Grande connectivity project and this is a four tag project. 00:14:40
If you guys aren't familiar, it's the Fort Ord Regional Trail and Greenway, and this is going through a grant approval process 00:14:49
right now. 00:14:53
Amelia Conlon is the senior planner on the project, and she is looking for community feedback. She's tabling at the Seaside's 00:14:58
farmers Market, along the recreational trail and other community spaces. And I will attach a link to the presentation Tamsi 00:15:05
received and the agenda notes so that folks can take a look at this Laguna Grande connectivity project. And that's all my updates. 00:15:12
All right, thank you. 00:15:18
And the chief had already mentioned good old days coming up in a couple of weeks, week and a half. And Commissioner Chavez, did 00:15:26
you have any comments or announcements that you wanted to make? Yes, I do thank you. I, I did go to the last City Council meeting 00:15:35
when they were talking about the improvements for the five way intersection at Cedar Sunset and Congress. I did not identify 00:15:43
myself as a Commission member because I was speaking as a neighbor. I live on Sunset, just four houses up from the intersection. 00:15:51
So they they did present a visual possibility of not a complete traffic circle, but kind of a somebody said it was a peanut shape 00:16:00
and the council was half of them are interested in the circle, half of them are not. And so they gave direction to Mr. Go to bring 00:16:09
back. 00:16:18
Some. 00:16:28
Statistics for the pricing of these things anyway, I think that we should be somehow. 00:16:29
In on it. 00:16:37
At least as a that we get to see this or that we can give a recommendation just from us as the Traffic Safety committee. So 00:16:39
commissioner or director go and another person from I guess a consultant made a presentation several meetings ago. We're I think 00:16:49
you were. Oh, I see. OK, so anyway, so we, we did get the presentation. We made comments. 00:17:00
And. 00:17:10
To my knowledge, those comments were taken into account and it moved on to City Council. 00:17:12
So sorry that you happen to miss that particular meeting. Yeah, well, it'll be it'll be ongoing. Yes, I'm sure it will be. And 00:17:18
have one other one other item here. I. 00:17:25
Regarding the parking spaces that are going to be eliminated through this AB 413, we we touched on that a little bit last meeting. 00:17:32
Is there a list of of spaces in the city that are going to be eliminated or is that just something that? 00:17:43
Someone decides on the main like lighthouse and forest or something and the reason I'm asking that is because it's coming up Park 00:17:55
Street and park. 00:18:01
Turn from lighthouse up park and I'm going on on the second block of park up to Pine and I'm going to turn right onto Pine, but 00:18:08
right as I'm approaching the the the intersection there. 00:18:16
There was a big truck parked on the right hand side and a lady was stepping off the curb. I, I, I didn't hit her, but I could have 00:18:24
because I could not see her at all. So that's my understanding for the reasoning for that elimination of those spaces. And then it 00:18:31
just made me think, well, how are we supposed to recommend? Like, hey, this is kind of a dangerous spot, why don't you check here 00:18:37
or how does that work? 00:18:43
Does anybody know? So Director go, do you have any comment? I understand that this is not on our regular agenda to be discussed, 00:18:52
but this is a question that came up. 00:18:58
Our traffic engineer has gone out and done the analysis. I don't have a number of parking spaces that's going to be eliminated, 00:19:05
but if there's an intersection that meets the warrants or the criteria, then that red zone will be pushed back to 20 feet instead 00:19:10
of 15. 00:19:15
That's my understanding too, that this the law, the law does, it takes effect in this past January, but it has to be man. It's 00:19:24
mandated to, I guess. 00:19:30
Be a. 00:19:39
In this coming January that in other words, start ticketing people if you're parking or if you're not. 00:19:40
Creating this safe safe spot. 00:19:50
But it sounds like that that, you know, Long Pine might be a, you know, a place to. 00:19:53
To look because you have more pedestrians a long time. 00:19:57
And this isn't on your agenda, but the law doesn't specifically state an area, it says an intersection. So we have evaluated. 00:20:03
Maybe. 00:20:15
We could bring up, or other members of the public can bring up certain intersections that they feel this would be a valid use of 00:20:17
this sure, that's not necessary because those intersections are still gonna be evaluated as part of it because every intersection 00:20:22
needs to meet that criteria. 00:20:27
So we can bring forward a report specifying that at a future meeting. There's something not so much with every intersection and 00:20:33
parking spot that's going to be lost, but maybe the parameters around that, the new bill. 00:20:39
Sure. Thank you. 00:20:46
Vice Chairman Brown, did you have any comments about something? Yeah, I have two comments. First, I want to thank my commissioner 00:20:49
friend here for bringing up this issue on the intersection question. I think it would be important for us to get updates on that 00:20:56
as it goes along so that we can continue to monitor that and provide any input. 00:21:03
And just something for us to consider. 00:21:11
And then second, Mr. Chairman, I don't know if this is the right time to do it, and it may be part of the subcommittee report, 00:21:14
but. 00:21:17
I think it also we discussed this, I think at the last meeting that it would be important for us to have at every meeting. 00:21:21
Traffics accident statistics from the Police Department. 00:21:30
Involving cars, people and bicycles, just so that we can keep an eye on what's happening in the city, what the trends are and 00:21:34
where it's happening so that we can make recommendations potentially for intersections or other areas that need to be addressed. 00:21:43
Thank you, Mr. OK, thank you. 00:21:53
All righty, so we'll move on to our regular agenda. 00:21:57
And that'll be 7B unfinished business Director go. Did you want to? 00:22:04
Start your presentation. 00:22:14
Mr. Chair, just to clarify, it's the special agenda, not regular agenda, for the record. OK, Sorry. Oh, that's right. 00:22:17
Because of the. 00:22:26
Special meeting. 00:22:28
OK. Thank you, Chair Gunby, member of the Traffic Commission. I'm here today to present evaluations of intersections that was 00:22:30
requested at the last Traffic Safety meeting. These largely stemmed from inquiries that were received. 00:22:38
Via e-mail to the Commission. So the intersections we'll be looking at today will be Lighthouse and Forests, Lighthouse and 00:22:46
Congress, Congress in Caledonia, Early and Pine, Early and Central, and Patterson Lane, which isn't an intersection, but basically 00:22:52
the corridor. 00:22:59
And this will be very brief. So Lighthouse and Forest and what you wanted us to look at was a stop sign there. So we evaluated 00:23:05
that for that potential stop sign. It did not meet any of the warrants. Warrants for stop sign need to stop signs cannot be used 00:23:12
to control speed. 00:23:18
This is all per the California Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices. 00:23:26
Basically, the warrant has to have crash data showing five or more in a 12 month period that would be corrected if a stop sign was 00:23:31
installed. There has to be at least 300 vehicles per hour for an 8 hour average and 200 units of pads or bikes per hour for an 8 00:23:39
hour average. We didn't meet those warrants down there. 00:23:47
But what we did do was we created a work order to improve visibility. 00:23:57
We pruned the vegetation, the increased sight lines, and we removed that first parking stall that was in place as you approach the 00:24:02
crosswalk, which now meets the criteria for AB 413. So we've met that criteria now at that intersection. The average speed at that 00:24:14
intersection is 14.8 miles an hour. It's actually 13.96 in the westbound lane and 14.86. 00:24:25
In the eastbound lane, which is underneath the currently posted speed limit. So here's the improvements that we made there. As you 00:24:37
can see, we put in a white approach line, an 8 inch wide approach line. Remove that first parking spot. As you can see, my cursor 00:24:46
shows up right here. We painted that red curb. We did that on both sides of the roadway as you approach that crosswalk. 00:24:54
So Lighthouse enforced. That's what we did. 00:25:05
Moving on, the Lighthouse and Congress and the stop sign, this intersection was evaluated for potential stop sign in 2021. At that 00:25:11
time, improvements were made because we did the same analysis and it didn't meet the warrants. 00:25:18
So what we did though, at that time was we refreshed all the markings we stenciled new, which weren't there before, 15 mile an 00:25:25
hour markings on the ground like 15 mile an hour ahead. 00:25:31
We installed a new decorative sign which is down by like park in Congress in that last median that says 15 mile an hour zone 00:25:39
ahead. We are from an engineering standpoint, we're saying there's no further action needed. We've had 17 crashes there over the 00:25:46
last 10 years, which is less than two years or two a year. And all those crashes are minor. Some of them were like people that had 00:25:54
been parked back in into another parked car. I guess stop signs not going to improve that. 00:26:01
The crashes we had there would not have been approved improved by a stop sign. The average speed coming into town right there is 00:26:09
16.3 miles an hour, so basically a mile an hour over the posted speed limit. 00:26:15
Then we evaluated Congress in Caledonia. This intersection was also evaluated in 2019. It was determined at that time that it 00:26:23
wasn't suitable for a crosswalk due to the slope of the hill coming down off of Lighthouse and then making a 90° turn. 00:26:32
That's an uncontrolled location on a corner. It's not recommended to put a crosswalk in right there. The better it's better to use 00:26:41
the crosswalk on Lighthouse. We can do some improvements to maybe the signage in the area and we'll review that. The average speed 00:26:49
right there, 16.1 miles an hour, so. 00:26:56
Caledonia is 25 miles an hour, Lighthouse is 15. So one hour 1 mile an hour over lighthouse. Less than the posted speed limit on 00:27:04
Caledonia. 00:27:10
We also evaluated Early and Pine in 2021. We did traffic calming in these areas. We installed new ball belts, new markings. We 00:27:17
reduced the widths of the travel lane. We don't have any additional improvement scheduled. The average speed on Pine is 17.83 00:27:26
miles an hour as that intersections being approached as opposed to 25 miles an hour on early going up the hill and down the hill. 00:27:36
They don't have a dissemination between the two, but it's 22.91 mph. If it's feasible, enforcement can be reviewed in that area, 00:27:46
but. 00:27:51
The numbers I'm seeing. 00:27:57
For vehicle speeds are not exceeding posted speed limits. 00:28:00
Here's the improvements that we made in 2021. As you can see, we put expansive bulb outs, shortening pedestrian crossing times and 00:28:06
greatly reducing vehicle lanes which reduce traffic speeds. You can also see a pine. We built that center median and has that 00:28:16
island which is a pedestrian refuge area because that we realize that that was a long crossing. 00:28:25
Intersection for a pedestrian. This provides some relief if there's vehicle traffic and pedestrians crossing. 00:28:35
Then we evaluated early and central. We did traffic calming measures in 2016. We built bulb out center medians. We did new 00:28:44
markings. We reduced travel lanes the width of the travel lanes right there, which reduced speeds. 00:28:53
I know that it came up that Early and Central would be affected by the ATC. 00:29:03
The intersection itself is not going to be affected. The environmental impact report, I'm sure you evaluated traffic associated 00:29:09
with the hotel. I don't have that information right now. You strictly asked us to look at the intersection. 00:29:17
We didn't see a problem with it. We don't have any further improvements scheduled. The average speed on Central through that area 00:29:27
is 24 miles an hour under the posted speed limit. 00:29:32
Patterson Funston to David and speeding that's occurring. We made improvements in 2019 at the Funston intersection, double yellow 00:29:41
lines going all the way up to it enhance the stop sign, made it the largest stop sign we could buy the 48 incher. We improved the 00:29:48
stop bars. 00:29:54
Umm, with our slow reseal project that we did last year, we improved all the markings on Patterson making it double yellow as you 00:30:02
approach all of the intersections. We've had four crashes there in a 10 year period and we've had none in the last 4 1/2 years. 00:30:10
Traffic calming could be installed, but it would be extremely expensive. When I say extremely expensive to do a project up there, 00:30:18
in my estimate estimation would be 500,000, three quarters of $1,000,000 to do sidewalks and bulb outs and so on and so forth. 00:30:27
When we don't have a. 00:30:35
Engineered problem. Average speed through all of the segments on that road, because as we collect speed data it's done over 00:30:40
segments, is 19.67 on the hill is 27 miles an hour. So the average speeds under the speed limit on the hill, you're 2 miles an 00:30:47
hour over the speed limit. 00:30:54
That concludes my report. I mean, you could see a theme we've constantly had these intersections coming up for. 00:31:03
Review, which we've done engineering on all of these already, so I'm available for any question. Thank you. All right, thank you. 00:31:10
So let's open this up to public comment. 00:31:17
We'll we'll take our, we have one person in the audience here that appears to want to speak. We'll take that person and we'll do 00:31:27
our online folks in a moment. 00:31:32
Hi. 00:31:43
Press the button. There you go. 00:31:47
Good afternoon. Thank you very much and I appreciate your service. So I'm going to speak to the Congress Central and Caledonia 00:31:50
crosswalks. 00:31:54
So. 00:32:00
According to the report, it was evaluated. This particular area was evaluated in 2019, five years ago, give or take, for 00:32:01
crosswalks. I hope you all received the PowerPoint that I prepared because it not only questioned the absence of crosswalks where 00:32:10
there are curb cuts, it also focused on installing signage for pedestrian safety while crossing Central Ave. And unless it is 00:32:18
legal signage alerting drivers, it is illegal. 00:32:26
To make U turns at Caledonia and Grove streets, the 2019 report by the previous city traffic engineer assumes everybody is going 00:32:35
to the post office by way of his recommendation, which stated quote the safer pedestrian route from Caledonia Park to the post 00:32:41
office. 00:32:48
Is by way of the West side of Central Ave. and crossing at Lighthouse Ave. 00:32:54
That statement is quite the contrary as not everybody is going to the post office. The fact remains that the post office has a 00:33:00
location located on Central Ave. where people park their cars across from this location and have to cross Central Ave. to pick up 00:33:05
their mail. 00:33:10
There is no evaluation in the report presented regarding the installation of signage for pedestrian safety in Crossing Central 00:33:16
Ave. 00:33:20
People cross Central Ave. to go to Caledonia Park, Lovers Point, Meals on Wheels, the farmers Market and kids who go play 00:33:25
basketball. And there are many dog walkers along Central Ave. who cross the street to walk down and around Caledonia Park. 00:33:32
If you recall, the last photo in my PowerPoint was that of the intersection near the Meals on Wheels building. I included it to 00:33:40
demonstrate a point that although criteria for the installation across walks there were not met, they were installed along with 00:33:48
directional traffic and pedestrian signage, making the area as a whole safer. 00:33:55
The point I was attempting to make was pedestrian safety can be achieved without being so black and white. 00:34:03
I am respectfully requesting that you place this item on your May agenda for discussion and to make a recommendation that staff in 00:34:10
the City's current traffic engineer evaluate the Central Ave. Caledonia Grove St. locations for signage that will provide much 00:34:17
needed pedestrian safety when crossing Central Ave. Thank you. Thank you. 00:34:24
All right. Are there, is there anybody online that wants to? 00:34:35
Make a comment. Yes, give me one second. 00:34:41
It's Miss Dumber. I have to switch systems here. 00:34:48
OK, miss down, where you at the floor? Thank you. I had to find the unmute sign. You have to put it up. OK, I don't know. Am I 00:34:54
supposed to talk on all the intersections that are in this item or do I? Is it just the one? Because I do have comments about the 00:35:02
Caledonia and I do have comments about others. So do you want them all lumped together in 3 minutes? 00:35:10
Mr. Chair. 00:35:22
Yes. 00:35:24
Did you want them all lumped together? All the comments on all the different intersections? 00:35:26
Yes, ma'am. 00:35:34
Thank you. I couldn't hear him. Do you hear me now? Yes, yes. Thank you very much. 00:35:35
Brother, please. 00:35:43
OK. On the Caledonia one, I'm going to very much agree with Miss Garcia in that people don't cross that wise that way. I mean they 00:35:46
do not walk up to Lighthouse and they still got across, you know the other street, I guess it's Grove that goes on the other side 00:35:55
of Caledonia Park. I avoid the downtown completely except going up. 00:36:03
To get to the post office. 00:36:13
And I turn left off Central at Falls Drapery there and go up to Lighthouse and then go down and. 00:36:16
Then I return home on Central Ave. and I tell you that you can have people and kids darting in and out at different times of day. 00:36:25
And I will creep along at 1-2 miles an hour going around that curve. And it needs to have a sign to warn people. And yes, it needs 00:36:36
to be agendized and have another one, you know, another big discussion about it because. 00:36:46
This is a really scary corner and I am, every time I see kids darting out, I am just scared to death for them, even if their 00:36:57
parents are kind of across the street, you know, I mean, they're all, it's a confused situation. 00:37:05
And it's either way if I ever come up central all the way to Lighthouse, which I don't usually but. 00:37:15
I mean without turning up falls. 00:37:23
Then it's not as problematic because I have a clearer shot of seeing down Central. But coming back from White House and Central, 00:37:29
going around the post office, the back way towards Caledonia, you don't see them. And then people are parking their cars to get 00:37:36
into the back entrance of the post office. And let's face it, people don't cross the way the previous traffic engineer wanted them 00:37:43
to. 00:37:50
And so I really think that it needs either some signage, some awareness. I mean, if we can put up signs for our deer, we can 00:37:58
certainly put them up for our kids and seniors. 00:38:05
You know, not necessarily that you put a caricature up like that of us, but anyway. 00:38:13
And when it comes to the early and Central Ave. that calming project, I live on slope, my ingress and egress is coming down slow 00:38:21
'cause we're one way turning right on early. 00:38:30
And then when I hit the intersection at central. 00:38:40
OK, the easiest way is to turn right, which of course you can't really see because there are all these cars parked to the left on 00:38:44
Central. 00:38:50
And there's the combing project and there's 1234 crosswalks and four different you have to monitor and you have to see all and 00:38:57
then the crossrock right in front of you and the one on the right, it is very difficult to ease your way around it in the 00:39:06
crosswalk to even turn right to go towards the library and. 00:39:15
And the post office, I mean, this is the visibility is terrible. 00:39:25
OK, early where I'm coming out there on slope is supposedly going to be the entrance to the new hotel ATC. 00:39:32
Then when you turn right on Central and in the middle of the block there, right past the parklet, that's, you know, the old Vickio 00:39:42
parklets that got hit and is sitting out there, That's where the public parking lot is going to be. 00:39:50
I'm sorry to interrupt you, but your your pastor 3 minutes. So I think we're going to continue this discussion probably at our at 00:40:01
our next. 00:40:05
Meeting next month. 00:40:11
Because there's a lot of information here, but also because our director Go is going to have to leave for another meeting. 00:40:15
But I thank you and I hopefully you'll you'll call back to our our. 00:40:23
Meeting and if you want to submit more emails, you'll certainly do that too. Thank you. 00:40:30
So, Mr. Go, are you? 00:40:40
I'm ready to field questions from the Commission and by all means I I stated in our presentation that will be evaluating Central 00:40:44
Ave. in Caledonia, the area for signs and we've already been discussing that with staff and I could bring those recommendations 00:40:50
back to the Traffic Safety Commission, but I don't see that necessary we can make the appropriate improvements and just move 00:40:56
forward. 00:41:03
So whether the my concern is that we probably have other people who wish to speak, but if you have another meeting, you have to 00:41:10
attend and it's I, I I don't want you to. There's nobody else online that's looking to speak. The public comment, Sir. OK. Yeah, 00:41:18
I've, I've looked you can confirm with the police chief. I'm online as a panelist and Inga is the only person that's in the queue. 00:41:27
OK. So any commissioners wish to make a comment. Commissioner CERN Mr. Go. I'm. I'm wondering what the warrants is that. 00:41:35
Something that is negotiable if there's enough community interest in some of these requests, like. 00:41:46
Stop signs and things like that. Like I understand that we're well under minimum. 00:41:56
Speed limits and we don't have the normal amount of traffic that normally warrants a stop sign. 00:42:01
But I'm wondering if that's just a benchmark, but if we have a lot of community support that want things like stop signs, if it's 00:42:10
possible to be more prescriptive and add measures like that. 00:42:17
These warrants are based strictly from the California Manual and Uniform Traffic Control Devices and also the Federal Highway 00:42:26
Administration, so. 00:42:30
There's not a lot of negotiation. These are standards that are set, so every intersection is treated similar. 00:42:36
To each one so that you don't have. 00:42:45
So you have. 00:42:50
Your engineering evaluation based on standard specifications. 00:42:53
OK. So warrants are the, the baseline guidance and unless we had higher amounts of traffic or the speed limit or things like that 00:43:01
or the accidents that happened would have been solved with stop signs, then we then we would be in discussions of yes, we'll have 00:43:10
stop signs, but because we don't meet those requirements, it's a it's dead on arrival. We're not adding stop signs. 00:43:19
They don't know which shoulder to look after over because you got cars all behind you, every single direction. It's going to 00:44:02
compound other issues. We take into account all of those as we do our evaluation on every intersection. Thank you for putting 00:44:09
together your presentation and for doing so quickly. Welcome. 00:44:16
Mr. Chairman. 00:44:23
Got a quick question. So going back, Mr. go to the intersection at early and Central. 00:44:24
I think I'd asked before, and I think you were trying to address that, about whether the plan for the hotel was taking into 00:44:35
consideration that intersection. 00:44:39
I'm still concerned about that because clearly the hotel has now been approved. There will be something going on there and I just 00:44:44
don't see how people aren't going to be. A lot of traffic may not be coming up that road into Central, and I'm wondering if 00:44:52
there's a way to coordinate with the planning for the traffic flow around the hotel with regard to that intersection. 00:45:00
Absolutely. And as the progress progresses and we start working with the contractor and the developers, we will be discussing with 00:45:09
them truck routes, egress and ingress to the properties. But as of right now, that wasn't part of my evaluation and I can't even 00:45:19
begin to evaluate that intersection with respects to that hotel because we haven't even seen a plan set for that hotel. 00:45:29
So this is my task today was to evaluate the. 00:45:40
Intersection as it currently lies and that's what we did understand. I think it's something maybe, Mr. Chairman, we can discuss at 00:45:44
a later date, but I think we have to keep an eye on it. I think there's going to be a lot of traffic issues related to the hotel 00:45:49
coming in given its size. Thank you. 00:45:54
And I believe there is a traffic study that accompanied the hotel plans, so. 00:46:01
Any other comments from the commissioners? 00:46:07
I have a comment. So going back to Commissioner Stern's questions about the stop signs there at Forest and and Congress, in my 00:46:16
mind, the the stop signs were not proposed. 00:46:23
For speed control it was proposed for. 00:46:30
To afford cross traffic easier and safer crossing of lighthouse and. 00:46:36
You're you're helping a part of that with the AB413. 00:46:47
Issue with the sight lines because sight lines were were are an issue there I. 00:46:54
But it's not, it wasn't in my mind, it wasn't a speed, it wasn't a speed issue. It was a creating a. 00:47:01
A safer way to cross Lighthouse and with with traffic stop at both of those intersections. 00:47:10
And the other question I had had and I made a comment. 00:47:21
And this had to do more with AI guess traffic calming on Patterson Lane. 00:47:27
One of the things that I've seen in other jurisdictions is the where they have a centerline that is kind of a zigzag line right 00:47:34
before you get to a kind of an area to be to use caution. And I was just wondering if any if the city's ever used, I don't 00:47:44
remember seeing it in this jurisdiction, but as you have any experience using that as a traffic calming measure? 00:47:54
No, Sir, I'm not familiar with that. I've never seen that on the ground, even in my travels just around, nor have I seen that. 00:48:04
On the Monterey Peninsula, have you heard of that commander? Anything like that? I've never seen that in as AI don't know. 00:48:13
Approved method to control speed. 00:48:21
It's something you would like us to look into. We can, but. 00:48:26
I think it might be helpful. Our speeds aren't showing that we're having a problem on Patterson. It's a perceived problem because 00:48:31
people accelerate up the hill and if you have a car with a larger engine, maybe it Revs up and somebody's thinking you're 00:48:35
speeding, but. 00:48:40
Our our information is not showing that there's a problem. It's beating. 00:48:46
And this is this exact line thing was. 00:48:55
To more of a cautionary thing, kind of a traffic calming. 00:49:01
Thing I can I can show you photos later, but we do have residents who have come to us many times both because of pedestrians and 00:49:06
crossing. 00:49:12
Patterson and just last month we had a gentleman here was quite passionate about his concern with with that area. So it's. 00:49:19
And you, you mentioned the word perceive and I think a lot of this and I think Commissioner Stern was getting at that too. You go 00:49:30
through the analytical part of it and you can show statistically that this is what happens and it doesn't warrant. 00:49:37
A change, but people are. 00:49:46
They don't feel safe in some of these locations, whether it's Caledonian Central, whether it's crossing Lighthouse at at Congress 00:49:52
or at Forest or along Patterson, there are, it's almost intrinsic that people they believe. 00:50:01
Their their it, it and as you say, they're, they perceive a dangerous situation. And So what we're trying to do is I guess help 00:50:12
eliminate that that perception and there may be. 00:50:18
Both engineering and there could be enforcement. 00:50:25
Ways of of helping that. 00:50:28
I mean there's ways to engineer everything if a large enough pot of money is thrown at it or enforcement if a large. 00:50:34
Large enough pot of money is thrown at it where we have unlimited amount of officers out there to do the job. But if the if it's 00:50:42
not safe, my recommendation is public works is if it's not safe to cross the road in a location, then don't cross the road in that 00:50:48
location. That's why we don't have crosswalks there. 00:50:53
Curb ramp and I know this and I know that and if I was to design those roadways, I would not have put those curb ramps in those 00:51:00
locations, but they're there. So I mean that goes back to the engineering if there's a large enough pot of money. 00:51:07
To engineer solutions we can do that, but unfortunately the city of Pacific Grove doesn't have that that opportunity so the people 00:51:14
pedestrians need to use their common sense and their logic when they're walking on these roadways I agree so getting back to the 00:51:22
if you're talking about the curb cut there at Caledonia and the central now what's the possibility of taking that out and putting 00:51:29
in vegetation there to. 00:51:37
To. 00:51:45
Keep people from from walking there. There's a possibility, but I would like to install signage and see if we can slow the traffic 00:51:48
with that approach first because that's significantly cheaper and less obstructive. 00:51:55
And we'll be doing that. And while it was not on your list, I think you and I have previously I mentioned. 00:52:03
What I believe is a dangerous location there at California Salsa with people walking over to Lovers Point in the middle of that 00:52:11
curve. 00:52:16
It's, you know, people walk out from between port cars into traffic and it's, you know, again, sight lines are not. 00:52:22
A very good there. 00:52:30
All righty. Well, I think I guess we can, I can discuss this with the commander and maybe the chief. 00:52:33
At a later date to determine if we need any additional discussion on these particular locations, but for now, I think we can move 00:52:44
on to our next. 00:52:51
Our next section, which is new business. Thank you. 00:52:59
Thank you. 00:53:04
Thank you, Mr. GOH. 00:53:06
So would you like me to share the document that Commissioner Stern sent me? Yes, please. 00:53:13
Unfortunately, our our. 00:53:26
Vice Chair. 00:53:31
Commissioner Brown had to leave for another event, but. 00:53:34
Commissioner Stern and John. 00:53:41
On the hook here, did you want to make any comments about? 00:53:44
Our subcommittee recommendations or would you like me to? 00:53:50
Talk about it and then you can. 00:53:55
I'm, I'm just want, like, did we want to just run through all of them? I'm happy to do that. Our overarching goal is to provide a 00:53:57
transportation system that is safe and secure for all transportation modes and for people of all ability and mobility levels. And 00:54:04
the way that we broke this down is by three focus areas, vehicles, bicycles and pedestrians. 00:54:12
These are recommendations that we would like to accomplish. 00:54:21
As a Commission, and we're bringing this to you to get your input and also we want to potentially approve these goals tonight if 00:54:26
possible. So the first one is the focus of vehicles. We'd like to work proactively with the Pacific Grove Police Department, 00:54:36
public works and traffic engineer to reduce speed limits and hotspot areas. Some areas to look into would be on 17 mile Drive. 00:54:46
Early Patterson Congress Jewel between Pacific and Del Monte and Pine Ave. 00:54:56
This is not. 00:55:02
Inclusive of everything, there could be other hotspot areas that we are unaware of, but this is a starting point. The next goal 00:55:05
would be to work proactively with the Pacific Grove Police Department, traffic engineer, Public Works and City Council to add 00:55:13
traffic calming measures. For example, which we just heard tonight probably will not happen. A four way stop sign pull abouts and 00:55:20
or flashing signs on White House Ave. between Congress and Fountain. So again we were taking into consideration. 00:55:28
A lot of public comment when we wrote the school and the school we created before hearing Mr. Goes presentation. So I think this 00:55:36
one might need to be reevaluated and instead I. 00:55:43
Discussed a little bit, maybe in more detail if there's anything else we can do. 00:55:51
Let's just for now just stop at vehicles and see is there anybody in the audience would like to comment on on these first two 00:55:58
recommendations? 00:56:03
Seeing none, is there anyone online that wishes to comment on these recommendations? 00:56:10
Any Commissioners have any comments on these recommendations? Commissioner Chamas? Yes, I would. I mean, I heard Commissioner 00:56:19
Stern say that these are not the only ones on the first focus on the. 00:56:26
Your first one, but I think you should add the Cedar Sunset and Congress one to that list because that will be that will keep 00:56:35
coming up this year. So and is this for the year then? Is that what we're forever and ever? 00:56:43
Until it gets fixed, I mean as. 00:56:53
You're giving examples of what is current, right? And so let me let me do go in a little bit of detail. So I picked some of these. 00:56:57
Specifically 17 Mile Drive, Patterson and. 00:57:09
Jewel because they were 30 mile an hour speed limits. 00:57:15
And relatively. 00:57:21
Not particularly busy high roads well for instance, 17 mile drive and Chief if you're there we have some photographs just that 00:57:24
this is some sight line issues I. 00:57:31
The four that I sent you yesterday and I think the two that I sent you today, uh. 00:57:39
Along 17 mile drive between Lighthouse and the PG gate of Pebble Beach is essentially 30 miles an hour from from Del Monte up to 00:57:44
Lighthouse it's 25 and then in Pebble Beach it's it's 25. So it's just this one section. And then in for instance, in this one 00:57:54
section there are two Little League fields. There is a preschool. 00:58:03
Maybe 50 or 60 homes and apartments, most of them with driveways that back on to. 00:58:15
Onto lighthouse and and a curving it's actually a bit wider than some roads, but it's one of those things where do you really need 00:58:23
30 mile an hour speed limit on on this section where all the other sections of it are 25 and on the on our screen right now if we 00:58:31
could go back to those photographs I can just. 00:58:39
So this is at the West End of Short St. looking N to. 00:58:50
To a long 17 mile drive and I'm on a bicycle so I'm taller than the average driver sitting in a car and I'm actually closer to the 00:58:59
stop line. 00:59:04
Than than the average driver. So you can see this is this photo is to the South. 00:59:12
This one's to the north and you can see the sight lines are somewhat limited there. To the South. It's actually very good sight 00:59:19
lines. So that is really. 00:59:23
That direction is not particularly an issue if we go to. 00:59:28
This other one, this one is at the East End of Pico at 17 Mile Drive and this is last Saturday. So there was a ball game going and 00:59:33
you can see and this is looking to the north on 17 Mile Drive, that again and there's a hill there. So there's limited visibility. 00:59:42
And that next photo? 00:59:51
Is this is looking S on 17 mile drive again at Pico and very limited and and the faster vehicles are going and the more limited 00:59:55
your sight lines are, the greater potential for for a collision. So these are just examples of. 01:00:05
Of what we were thinking of in the issues with these particular streets. And as we were talking about Patterson Lane, that section 01:00:16
of Patterson Lane is actually at 3030 miles an hour. And while the average speed limit was or the I guess highest speed limit or 01:00:26
the downhill speed limit was around 27, again, should it be at, should it be at 30 miles an hour? 01:00:36
And so the state has and, and there is a whole, a whole equation as to you do your traffic study, you determine the 85th 01:00:47
percentile of what the drivers are driving, the speed the drivers are driving at, and, and. But then if you have extenuating 01:00:55
circumstances or you have special conditions, you can lower that. In this state of California, Caltrans has, has a, you know, a 01:01:03
situation where they can, you can lower that speed limit by 5 miles an hour if you believe that. 01:01:11
That 85 percentile is. 01:01:20
Anyway, so this is these are the types of things we're. 01:01:25
We were. 01:01:28
Thinking about when? 01:01:30
Coming up with these recommendations. 01:01:33
I'm happy to continue if there's no more comments, OK? 01:01:35
The next focus area is bicycles. The first goal was to develop a comprehensive bike plan that can be adopted and accepted as part 01:01:39
of the general plan. The next one was and his background. We want something that does take into account something like complete 01:01:49
streets if you guys have heard that word before. But I do believe I saw an RFP go out for a circulation plan. 01:01:58
That is being, I believe, brought to the Planning Commission. So that actually might fall in that category since it is circulation 01:02:09
related. So that could be adopted as a ad hoc bike plan or not ad hoc, but in lieu of a bike plan, a circulation plan. 01:02:18
So that actually might be in the works as we speak. The next one is add bike parking. 20 plus spaces for bikes to park along a 01:02:30
Solomon beach. 01:02:35
Need adequate room to accommodate E bikes, bike trailers, and surfboards. Work with the Public Works Department to submit a grant 01:02:41
request to TMC and get approval from the California Coastal Commission. And as a bit of background. 01:02:48
The Public Works department has installed one bike rack, but I believe that we could probably create a bike corral and add more 01:02:57
flexibility to accommodate even more bicycles, especially during the high tour seasons, and potentially encourage more people to 01:03:03
bike instead of drive their cars and provide more. 01:03:09
Reasonable parking to get to those access points to the beach next and just a notation that this is at the the crosswalk from the 01:03:17
Conference Center down to the beach approximately that area. 01:03:23
Next one is to work with local businesses to install bike parking to encourage cycling. Suggested areas include the Grove Market, 01:03:30
Pacific Grove Library, and local parks. And this project could utilize potential county grant funding, and I'm thinking against 01:03:36
specifically some grants from TAMSI. 01:03:42
Any anybody online wishing to comment? 01:03:52
We have one hand raised. 01:03:57
I have to stop sharing to do that. 01:04:01
Kim, you have the floor. 01:04:04
Hi, thank you. I actually tried to get my hand raised for the last one, but I would just like to include Ocean View Blvd. I'm down 01:04:07
there quite a bit and there are of course tons of tourists that drive that scenic route and they're sort of just cruising along at 01:04:14
the like a 15 mile an hour speed limit. And then you have other people that are speeding by and passing them. We have tons of 01:04:21
tourists crossing that street and. 01:04:28
On occasion, different wildlife and so it seems a little bit dangerous to have the speed limit that's on there now. And I thought 01:04:36
maybe it would be better to have it the same as lighthouse, Downtown Lighthouse, because it's better to go down to the lower 01:04:43
speed. The tourists are sort of cruising along than to have the people racing around them trying to get by. But I've seen several 01:04:51
near accidents and hopefully not a pedestrian get hit, but. 01:04:58
We're seeing since the pandemic, an increase of people speeding on that street and of course, a lot of cruising where they're 01:05:06
revving their their cars and, and going around other people that are just trying to enjoy the view. So you might want to toss 01:05:13
Ocean View Blvd. in your your list of streets. Thank you. 01:05:20
Thank you. 01:05:28
Anyone else online? 01:05:31
Any commissioners have any comments on the the bicycle section? 01:05:35
One comment. 01:05:40
I was thinking of schools being kind of included maybe in some of the for the bicycles for because the schools are interested in, 01:05:42
you know, they promote bike riding to school and but they are interested in, you know, safe passage to school. So I don't know if 01:05:49
that. 01:05:56
Fits in, but you you talk about the library and parks, but I just thought schools might be a another area that you could, you 01:06:04
know, include with them. And there is there's already a program that's safer out to school. So it's both for pedestrian and for 01:06:10
for kids riding bikes. 01:06:16
OK. Thank you. Anybody else with? 01:06:23
Chief, do you mind bringing up the goals again? Sure. Sorry about that. 01:06:27
And Commissioner Shamas, in terms of including schools as part of it, the circulation plan that I was talking about should look 01:06:35
into that as well as part of Safe Routes to School. Thank you. 01:06:41
All right. The last recommendation here is for pedestrians. We would like to work with the Police Department to enforce safe use 01:06:50
of crosswalks. One recommendation was to install the must stop for pedestrians in that type of signage and trouble areas. I know 01:06:57
that Public Works has installed them in some locations already, but perhaps we can look at other hotspot locations to see if we 01:07:05
might be able to install a bit more signage to make those crosswalks really stand out. 01:07:12
The next one is create a comprehensive sidewalk replacement plan for areas in Pacific Grove that already have partial or full 01:07:20
sidewalks. 01:07:25
In these cases, we understand that there are some neighborhoods within Pacific Grove that absolutely do not have sidewalks. So 01:07:29
these were not the areas that we are considering. We're thinking of more of the piece meal sidewalk situation that we have closer 01:07:37
to potentially downtown where you have a mixture of concrete and grass and sand and trying to create a more uniform sidewalk 01:07:44
replacement plan depending on potential. 01:07:51
Remodels or. 01:07:59
Work that's being done on a house, but basically have a plan that can work with the public works so that there is a goal to create 01:08:01
sidewalks. 01:08:06
On a rolling basis as part of General. 01:08:11
General maintenance. And then the last one here is implement a Vision 0 Action plan. Request that the Police Department present 01:08:17
accident statistics at Traffic Safety Commission meetings to provide updates and trends. And for those of you that are not 01:08:23
familiar with Vision 0 Action Plan, it's something that the city of Salinas has done successfully. It's a way to reduce the number 01:08:29
of accidents or deaths. 01:08:36
Related to vehicles and. 01:08:42
This has been done successfully. Would love to try to do something similar here. I know that we are looking at Mr. Goes 01:08:46
presentation of only certain number of accidents and a certain number of years, but Vision Zero plan would be to have no 01:08:53
accidents. And so I think that's kind of our goal as Traffic Safety Commission is to let's get to 0 accidents. 01:09:01
Any comments? I guess yeah. Anybody online wishing comment? 01:09:09
I see no hands raised. 01:09:18
Commissioners, you have. 01:09:20
I think that answered one of your questions concerning the statistics. 01:09:22
Since this is a goal, should should this last on the Vision 0 action plan? 01:09:28
And it it kind of dovetails with what Commissioner Brown was asking for and the traffic collisions, history or updates should it 01:09:35
go on the next agenda as a item to formally. 01:09:42
Discuss because I mean when it stays here on a goal, how does? 01:09:50
Do these things go, I mean, you have to put it on the agenda, right, to get moving. It's on the agenda now. So we can do lots of 01:09:54
stuff with this. So we can, we can approve this and and have that for the and add it to the next agenda if the Commission wishes. 01:10:04
And as far as the, I think one of the things for the Vision 0 action plan. 01:10:13
That would probably require. 01:10:23
A presentation from an expert who who could talk about the the the whole process of and what it includes. I think there got 01:10:26
information that there may be some confusion as to complete St. program and the Vision Zero plan in in my mind are two different 01:10:37
things. The complete street is a you know, not every street in Pacific Grove could possibly be a complete St. for. 01:10:47
Pedestrian cyclists and cars. It's but there are some like forest and sunset. 01:10:58
That are I believe in that process to in some way becoming a complete St. program in the in the city. Public Works is in the 01:11:05
process of putting some of that together. 01:11:11
But the the Vision Zero plan is a is kind of a very overall concept, but it it looks at essentially every intersection, every 01:11:19
place in the in the city and and looks at what statistics are and where any problem spots may be. 01:11:28
Is my understanding, but having a presentation to the Commission and to the city, I think would be. 01:11:37
Helpful sometime in the future. 01:11:44
And that's something that we can work on on putting together. 01:11:46
All right, so I guess what we can do is as a Commission, we can. 01:11:54
Look at each of these individually and either agree or modify these or. 01:12:04
Free with them and then and then. 01:12:15
Approve them or did not approve them and and then move on. 01:12:19
On an individual basis, as opposed to. 01:12:24
I, I have a recommendation. I'd like to lump them all together, but amend the second vehicle one, which is kind of what we heard 01:12:31
of Mr. Goes presentation today and instead amend it to say to add traffic calming measures. I would just put where appropriate. 01:12:42
Based on hot spots instead of having a specific lighthouse Ave. because that would go along with Mr. Goes recommendation to have 01:12:54
CIP traffic calming measures as indicated in his presentation. So it would make it a bit more open to interpretation so that we 01:13:02
can achieve that goal. So again, it's I propose lumping it all together with the amendment to say and City Council to add traffic 01:13:09
calming measures. 01:13:17
Where appropriate based on hotspot areas. 01:13:25
OK. Yeah. I don't have any commissioners have any concerns or about that. 01:13:30
Yeah, OK. Yeah. Why don't we go ahead and make those those changes? 01:13:37
You need a motion. 01:13:46
And I'm not sure it's, I'm not sure we need a motion on this because it's not a. 01:13:47
It was just a it was essentially a proposal. 01:13:55
Well, the recommended actions, Mr. Chair, are review recommendations and approve the goals for review recommendations and provide 01:14:00
alternatives or request additional information from the School subcommittee. 01:14:05
So that sounded like a motion from Commissioner Stern. 01:14:15
Actually, Thomas. 01:14:20
Well, if we needed one correct, Chief, I was making a recommendation to group all of these together with the amendment. 01:14:22
Accept these, accept and approve these Traffic Safety subcommittee goals, I guess recommendations and just with the modification, 01:14:34
I got that. 01:14:42
So that was that was OK. We have a motion and a second Commissioner Stern. 01:14:51
Aye. 01:15:00
Greening. 01:15:03
Aye, Brock. 01:15:05
Vice Chair Brown is absent now and Chair Gundy. 01:15:09
The five one and one vacant. 01:15:16
So it is approximately 523 and I believe we don't have any report from our subcommittee because we just talked about our last. 01:15:25
Process and our next meeting is scheduled for May 28th and we are adjourned. 01:15:40
Thank you. 01:15:50
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Welcome to a special meeting of the Traffic Safety Commission on 23rd 2024, just as a note. 00:00:00
The April meeting has technically canceled because posting at. 00:00:08
Outside on the kiosk was not made in a timely manner, so this is now a. 00:00:15
Considered a special meeting. 00:00:22
So moving on, can we have a roll call please? 00:00:24
Yes. 00:00:29
Chair Gumby. 00:00:31
Vice Chair Brown. 00:00:35
Commissioners Rock. 00:00:41
Shamus. 00:00:45
Chamas. 00:00:51
You just gotta hit the it's the opposite of what you think on the button there, right in front of your mic. 00:00:55
Gotcha. OK. 00:01:01
Stern. 00:01:04
Stern there. 00:01:13
Thank you and Greening. 00:01:17
OK, six present one vacancy. 00:01:20
You moving on to the agenda. I do have one change on the agenda. 00:01:26
Our proposed. 00:01:33
Minute taker. It was going to be Vice Chairman Brown, but. 00:01:36
Commissioner Stern will take that possibility for this meeting. 00:01:43
Do you have any other changes to the agenda? 00:01:50
Seeing none, can I have a motion to approve the agenda as? 00:01:55
Modified. 00:02:00
I move to approve. 00:02:04
I was taking that. 00:02:06
Been moved and seconded to approve the agenda as modified. We have a roll call please. 00:02:08
Greening. 00:02:19
Chamas. 00:02:22
Stern. 00:02:25
Yes, Vice Chair Brown. 00:02:27
And chair Gundy 601 Vacancy. 00:02:30
All right. Thank you. 00:02:38
And moving on to the minutes. 00:02:40
Any change to the minutes that's submitted? One change. OK, this is Commissioner Shamas. Yes, I put the next meeting was April 00:02:45
25th, so should be changed to April 23rd then or? Yes, OK. 00:02:54
So we'll make that modification. 00:03:04
Any other changes to the minutes? 00:03:07
The the minutes noted the next meeting was April 25th and we'll change the minutes to 23rd. 00:03:11
I'll take care of that change for you, Sir. We have a motion. We have a motion to approve the minutes as changed. I move to 00:03:25
approve the minutes. Have a second. 00:03:30
I'll second. It's moved and seconded to approve the minutes as modified. We have a roll call, please, Vice Chair Brown. 00:03:37
Yes. 00:03:45
Commissioner Proc. 00:03:46
Yes. 00:03:58
Shamas. 00:03:59
Shamas. Yes. Stern. 00:04:08
Yes, screening. 00:04:13
Yes, and Chair Gundy. 00:04:15
601 Vacancy. 00:04:19
All right. Moving on to public comment, we have. 00:04:22
Several comments that we had received, one was the first one anonymous was actually a complaint made to the directly to the Police 00:04:29
Department concerning speeding, if I remember along Caledonia and Central and. 00:04:40
17th and 18th. 00:04:53
And then? 00:04:57
Second one is Garcia. 00:05:00
And this had to do with. 00:05:03
The lighthouse corridor and. 00:05:07
The lack of any pedestrian facilities along lighthouse approximately from. 00:05:12
Well, essentially from 17th or 17 mile drive to Solomar Ave. 00:05:20
And moving on. 00:05:30
Murray. 00:05:35
To pull this up on my. 00:05:45
And this had to do with. 00:05:51
Oh, good old days. And the. 00:05:55
Routing of traffic around Lighthouse during good old days and concerns about speeding on some of the side streets, such as 17th 00:06:00
and Laurel. 00:06:06
And uh. 00:06:12
Congress. 00:06:14
And then moving on and then we have. 00:06:18
From. 00:06:24
Engadomler, Bobber. 00:06:28
Just scroll through here. That has to do a. 00:06:34
Actually, one of them had to do with spelling that's already been taken care of. 00:06:42
But it also had to do with the issues around. 00:06:46
Early and central, I believe. 00:06:51
And. 00:06:57
That actually will probably be discussing those that today. 00:07:00
Umm, anyway any do we have any public or anybody in the public would like to comment today? 00:07:04
Mr. Chair, you, you forgot the one for Miss Garcia. 00:07:13
Which one was that then? 00:07:20
Caledonia, did you, did you mention that one already? I'm sorry with the PowerPoint. 00:07:23
I did not. 00:07:31
I thought the one that she did was this last one was just about White House. 00:07:38
Potentially this. I apologize if I didn't hear you say her name. I'm sorry, but we are going to discuss that. 00:07:43
Central and Caledonia area later on today too. And so any other public comment? 00:07:54
In person, seeing none, we can move over to number six, the Commission and staff announcements. Do we have any staff 00:08:03
announcements? 00:08:08
Seeing none, Yes I have a staff announcement. 00:08:16
I'd like to introduce Commander Dawn Delfino, who's there in person. She started with us on April 15th and she's returning to 00:08:22
Pacific Grove after 18 years of working in Gilroy. So she was employee here with us 18 years ago. So we're very excited to have 00:08:31
her come back home, back to the PGPD family. So just give her a nice big welcome. I appreciate that. 00:08:39
Great. 00:08:49
Welcome, Commander Delfino. 00:08:51
All righty moving any other? 00:08:56
Staff announcements. 00:08:58
Director Go. 00:09:00
We'll just say about good old days is May 4th to the 6th. So obviously Lighthouse Ave. will be closed down for quite a bit and 00:09:03
there'll be different traffic patterns. So, you know, we recommend that you walk to the to the event if you can. Parking will be 00:09:11
limited. We're excited about the event. It's a great event for the city, brings a lot of visitors to the community. 00:09:18
So just be careful during those days. Thank you. 00:09:26
All righty. Thank you. 00:09:30
As as noted at the beginning, the minutes will be prepared this month by Commissioner Stern. 00:09:33
And moving on to. 00:09:42
Our council lay is on. 00:09:45
Emilio. 00:09:49
Thank you. 00:09:53
Just to tell you briefly. 00:09:55
The mayor had several proclamations that he did in the beginning. Also we. 00:09:59
Had a several consent items that was approved. There was a ballot measure that was discussed that is still shall we say in the 00:10:07
queue went back to Mr. Perrault and the staff's going to discuss it and then. 00:10:16
Daniel Go, a public works director, discussed the Cedar Sunset Congress intersection improvements. 00:10:27
Project and there was some discussion on that and he's going to come back with something later also I forgot to say there were 00:10:34
some service awards presented to several of our employees and also I. 00:10:42
There was a certificates several interns from Germany have been here and they were presented certificates of appreciation. Also 00:10:52
the there was a presentation by the Monterey Peninsula Water Supply Project and several questions was asked and they were they 00:11:02
seemed to be fine. There was also on Monterey one water. 00:11:12
Affirming the City of Pacific Grove's intent to move to city's billing for wastewater sewage charges for the County of Monterey on 00:11:23
your tax bill and that was approved and. 00:11:28
That's about it. I haven't. If you have any questions, I'd be happy to answer them for you. Great. 00:11:35
The most important I did have that circle there we also. 00:11:49
Of all things I forgot. I hope he's not listening tonight, but we approved the the new city manager, Matt Organson. He was an 00:11:56
assistant city manager in the city of Marina and he's also had a a fairly lengthy background and he was introduced to the council. 00:12:04
We all approved it seven O vote and there were well over. There was a question that came up. There was well over 30 candidates. In 00:12:12
fact, to be exactly there was 44 candidates. 00:12:21
Uh, in, in the, in the queue when we interviewed the top six and Matt came out number one, he also came out number one. We also 00:12:30
had the management team interview. 00:12:36
The top three and Matt also came out number one, so eventually you'll probably get to meet him and it's great. Great person, 00:12:43
right? Would be a great city manager. Great. OK, any questions? 00:12:50
Commissioners, I guess you live local. 00:12:57
Pardon me, he's probably lives local too. Well, he lives in Pardon me, He'll he'll be local for a change. 00:13:00
He's in this, I think he is. Residence is in the city of Marina right now. So as far as yeah, he's Southern California. 00:13:08
Any other questions or anything? 00:13:20
Yep. OK. Thank you. Thank you. 00:13:23
All righty. 00:13:26
Commissioner Stern, do you have any updates on the TMC Bike and Pedestrian Committee? Yep, I attended the TMC meeting this month 00:13:28
and. 00:13:33
And the thank you, Commissioner Brown, for bringing up that the Tamsi bike route map did not have Pacific Grove on it, so the next 00:13:38
updated version will include Pacific Grove. Once that iteration goes to print. I'll make sure to notify the Commission when that's 00:13:46
available. The City of Monterey also gave a presentation of their traffic system and their pedestrian bike upgrades as related to 00:13:53
the traffic system. And so it's interesting they use video detectors for bicycles to help make sure that bikes and pedestrians are 00:14:00
taken into. 00:14:08
Account during traffic cycles and they also use adaptive AI learning for the seven corridors within Monterey and it's been a great 00:14:15
system. There are some random things that happen like birds will sit on the cameras and make it a bit difficult, but generally 00:14:24
it's been a good adaptive resource for the seven corridors within Monterey. The next update is that there was a presentation about 00:14:32
Laguna Grande connectivity project and this is a four tag project. 00:14:40
If you guys aren't familiar, it's the Fort Ord Regional Trail and Greenway, and this is going through a grant approval process 00:14:49
right now. 00:14:53
Amelia Conlon is the senior planner on the project, and she is looking for community feedback. She's tabling at the Seaside's 00:14:58
farmers Market, along the recreational trail and other community spaces. And I will attach a link to the presentation Tamsi 00:15:05
received and the agenda notes so that folks can take a look at this Laguna Grande connectivity project. And that's all my updates. 00:15:12
All right, thank you. 00:15:18
And the chief had already mentioned good old days coming up in a couple of weeks, week and a half. And Commissioner Chavez, did 00:15:26
you have any comments or announcements that you wanted to make? Yes, I do thank you. I, I did go to the last City Council meeting 00:15:35
when they were talking about the improvements for the five way intersection at Cedar Sunset and Congress. I did not identify 00:15:43
myself as a Commission member because I was speaking as a neighbor. I live on Sunset, just four houses up from the intersection. 00:15:51
So they they did present a visual possibility of not a complete traffic circle, but kind of a somebody said it was a peanut shape 00:16:00
and the council was half of them are interested in the circle, half of them are not. And so they gave direction to Mr. Go to bring 00:16:09
back. 00:16:18
Some. 00:16:28
Statistics for the pricing of these things anyway, I think that we should be somehow. 00:16:29
In on it. 00:16:37
At least as a that we get to see this or that we can give a recommendation just from us as the Traffic Safety committee. So 00:16:39
commissioner or director go and another person from I guess a consultant made a presentation several meetings ago. We're I think 00:16:49
you were. Oh, I see. OK, so anyway, so we, we did get the presentation. We made comments. 00:17:00
And. 00:17:10
To my knowledge, those comments were taken into account and it moved on to City Council. 00:17:12
So sorry that you happen to miss that particular meeting. Yeah, well, it'll be it'll be ongoing. Yes, I'm sure it will be. And 00:17:18
have one other one other item here. I. 00:17:25
Regarding the parking spaces that are going to be eliminated through this AB 413, we we touched on that a little bit last meeting. 00:17:32
Is there a list of of spaces in the city that are going to be eliminated or is that just something that? 00:17:43
Someone decides on the main like lighthouse and forest or something and the reason I'm asking that is because it's coming up Park 00:17:55
Street and park. 00:18:01
Turn from lighthouse up park and I'm going on on the second block of park up to Pine and I'm going to turn right onto Pine, but 00:18:08
right as I'm approaching the the the intersection there. 00:18:16
There was a big truck parked on the right hand side and a lady was stepping off the curb. I, I, I didn't hit her, but I could have 00:18:24
because I could not see her at all. So that's my understanding for the reasoning for that elimination of those spaces. And then it 00:18:31
just made me think, well, how are we supposed to recommend? Like, hey, this is kind of a dangerous spot, why don't you check here 00:18:37
or how does that work? 00:18:43
Does anybody know? So Director go, do you have any comment? I understand that this is not on our regular agenda to be discussed, 00:18:52
but this is a question that came up. 00:18:58
Our traffic engineer has gone out and done the analysis. I don't have a number of parking spaces that's going to be eliminated, 00:19:05
but if there's an intersection that meets the warrants or the criteria, then that red zone will be pushed back to 20 feet instead 00:19:10
of 15. 00:19:15
That's my understanding too, that this the law, the law does, it takes effect in this past January, but it has to be man. It's 00:19:24
mandated to, I guess. 00:19:30
Be a. 00:19:39
In this coming January that in other words, start ticketing people if you're parking or if you're not. 00:19:40
Creating this safe safe spot. 00:19:50
But it sounds like that that, you know, Long Pine might be a, you know, a place to. 00:19:53
To look because you have more pedestrians a long time. 00:19:57
And this isn't on your agenda, but the law doesn't specifically state an area, it says an intersection. So we have evaluated. 00:20:03
Maybe. 00:20:15
We could bring up, or other members of the public can bring up certain intersections that they feel this would be a valid use of 00:20:17
this sure, that's not necessary because those intersections are still gonna be evaluated as part of it because every intersection 00:20:22
needs to meet that criteria. 00:20:27
So we can bring forward a report specifying that at a future meeting. There's something not so much with every intersection and 00:20:33
parking spot that's going to be lost, but maybe the parameters around that, the new bill. 00:20:39
Sure. Thank you. 00:20:46
Vice Chairman Brown, did you have any comments about something? Yeah, I have two comments. First, I want to thank my commissioner 00:20:49
friend here for bringing up this issue on the intersection question. I think it would be important for us to get updates on that 00:20:56
as it goes along so that we can continue to monitor that and provide any input. 00:21:03
And just something for us to consider. 00:21:11
And then second, Mr. Chairman, I don't know if this is the right time to do it, and it may be part of the subcommittee report, 00:21:14
but. 00:21:17
I think it also we discussed this, I think at the last meeting that it would be important for us to have at every meeting. 00:21:21
Traffics accident statistics from the Police Department. 00:21:30
Involving cars, people and bicycles, just so that we can keep an eye on what's happening in the city, what the trends are and 00:21:34
where it's happening so that we can make recommendations potentially for intersections or other areas that need to be addressed. 00:21:43
Thank you, Mr. OK, thank you. 00:21:53
All righty, so we'll move on to our regular agenda. 00:21:57
And that'll be 7B unfinished business Director go. Did you want to? 00:22:04
Start your presentation. 00:22:14
Mr. Chair, just to clarify, it's the special agenda, not regular agenda, for the record. OK, Sorry. Oh, that's right. 00:22:17
Because of the. 00:22:26
Special meeting. 00:22:28
OK. Thank you, Chair Gunby, member of the Traffic Commission. I'm here today to present evaluations of intersections that was 00:22:30
requested at the last Traffic Safety meeting. These largely stemmed from inquiries that were received. 00:22:38
Via e-mail to the Commission. So the intersections we'll be looking at today will be Lighthouse and Forests, Lighthouse and 00:22:46
Congress, Congress in Caledonia, Early and Pine, Early and Central, and Patterson Lane, which isn't an intersection, but basically 00:22:52
the corridor. 00:22:59
And this will be very brief. So Lighthouse and Forest and what you wanted us to look at was a stop sign there. So we evaluated 00:23:05
that for that potential stop sign. It did not meet any of the warrants. Warrants for stop sign need to stop signs cannot be used 00:23:12
to control speed. 00:23:18
This is all per the California Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices. 00:23:26
Basically, the warrant has to have crash data showing five or more in a 12 month period that would be corrected if a stop sign was 00:23:31
installed. There has to be at least 300 vehicles per hour for an 8 hour average and 200 units of pads or bikes per hour for an 8 00:23:39
hour average. We didn't meet those warrants down there. 00:23:47
But what we did do was we created a work order to improve visibility. 00:23:57
We pruned the vegetation, the increased sight lines, and we removed that first parking stall that was in place as you approach the 00:24:02
crosswalk, which now meets the criteria for AB 413. So we've met that criteria now at that intersection. The average speed at that 00:24:14
intersection is 14.8 miles an hour. It's actually 13.96 in the westbound lane and 14.86. 00:24:25
In the eastbound lane, which is underneath the currently posted speed limit. So here's the improvements that we made there. As you 00:24:37
can see, we put in a white approach line, an 8 inch wide approach line. Remove that first parking spot. As you can see, my cursor 00:24:46
shows up right here. We painted that red curb. We did that on both sides of the roadway as you approach that crosswalk. 00:24:54
So Lighthouse enforced. That's what we did. 00:25:05
Moving on, the Lighthouse and Congress and the stop sign, this intersection was evaluated for potential stop sign in 2021. At that 00:25:11
time, improvements were made because we did the same analysis and it didn't meet the warrants. 00:25:18
So what we did though, at that time was we refreshed all the markings we stenciled new, which weren't there before, 15 mile an 00:25:25
hour markings on the ground like 15 mile an hour ahead. 00:25:31
We installed a new decorative sign which is down by like park in Congress in that last median that says 15 mile an hour zone 00:25:39
ahead. We are from an engineering standpoint, we're saying there's no further action needed. We've had 17 crashes there over the 00:25:46
last 10 years, which is less than two years or two a year. And all those crashes are minor. Some of them were like people that had 00:25:54
been parked back in into another parked car. I guess stop signs not going to improve that. 00:26:01
The crashes we had there would not have been approved improved by a stop sign. The average speed coming into town right there is 00:26:09
16.3 miles an hour, so basically a mile an hour over the posted speed limit. 00:26:15
Then we evaluated Congress in Caledonia. This intersection was also evaluated in 2019. It was determined at that time that it 00:26:23
wasn't suitable for a crosswalk due to the slope of the hill coming down off of Lighthouse and then making a 90° turn. 00:26:32
That's an uncontrolled location on a corner. It's not recommended to put a crosswalk in right there. The better it's better to use 00:26:41
the crosswalk on Lighthouse. We can do some improvements to maybe the signage in the area and we'll review that. The average speed 00:26:49
right there, 16.1 miles an hour, so. 00:26:56
Caledonia is 25 miles an hour, Lighthouse is 15. So one hour 1 mile an hour over lighthouse. Less than the posted speed limit on 00:27:04
Caledonia. 00:27:10
We also evaluated Early and Pine in 2021. We did traffic calming in these areas. We installed new ball belts, new markings. We 00:27:17
reduced the widths of the travel lane. We don't have any additional improvement scheduled. The average speed on Pine is 17.83 00:27:26
miles an hour as that intersections being approached as opposed to 25 miles an hour on early going up the hill and down the hill. 00:27:36
They don't have a dissemination between the two, but it's 22.91 mph. If it's feasible, enforcement can be reviewed in that area, 00:27:46
but. 00:27:51
The numbers I'm seeing. 00:27:57
For vehicle speeds are not exceeding posted speed limits. 00:28:00
Here's the improvements that we made in 2021. As you can see, we put expansive bulb outs, shortening pedestrian crossing times and 00:28:06
greatly reducing vehicle lanes which reduce traffic speeds. You can also see a pine. We built that center median and has that 00:28:16
island which is a pedestrian refuge area because that we realize that that was a long crossing. 00:28:25
Intersection for a pedestrian. This provides some relief if there's vehicle traffic and pedestrians crossing. 00:28:35
Then we evaluated early and central. We did traffic calming measures in 2016. We built bulb out center medians. We did new 00:28:44
markings. We reduced travel lanes the width of the travel lanes right there, which reduced speeds. 00:28:53
I know that it came up that Early and Central would be affected by the ATC. 00:29:03
The intersection itself is not going to be affected. The environmental impact report, I'm sure you evaluated traffic associated 00:29:09
with the hotel. I don't have that information right now. You strictly asked us to look at the intersection. 00:29:17
We didn't see a problem with it. We don't have any further improvements scheduled. The average speed on Central through that area 00:29:27
is 24 miles an hour under the posted speed limit. 00:29:32
Patterson Funston to David and speeding that's occurring. We made improvements in 2019 at the Funston intersection, double yellow 00:29:41
lines going all the way up to it enhance the stop sign, made it the largest stop sign we could buy the 48 incher. We improved the 00:29:48
stop bars. 00:29:54
Umm, with our slow reseal project that we did last year, we improved all the markings on Patterson making it double yellow as you 00:30:02
approach all of the intersections. We've had four crashes there in a 10 year period and we've had none in the last 4 1/2 years. 00:30:10
Traffic calming could be installed, but it would be extremely expensive. When I say extremely expensive to do a project up there, 00:30:18
in my estimate estimation would be 500,000, three quarters of $1,000,000 to do sidewalks and bulb outs and so on and so forth. 00:30:27
When we don't have a. 00:30:35
Engineered problem. Average speed through all of the segments on that road, because as we collect speed data it's done over 00:30:40
segments, is 19.67 on the hill is 27 miles an hour. So the average speeds under the speed limit on the hill, you're 2 miles an 00:30:47
hour over the speed limit. 00:30:54
That concludes my report. I mean, you could see a theme we've constantly had these intersections coming up for. 00:31:03
Review, which we've done engineering on all of these already, so I'm available for any question. Thank you. All right, thank you. 00:31:10
So let's open this up to public comment. 00:31:17
We'll we'll take our, we have one person in the audience here that appears to want to speak. We'll take that person and we'll do 00:31:27
our online folks in a moment. 00:31:32
Hi. 00:31:43
Press the button. There you go. 00:31:47
Good afternoon. Thank you very much and I appreciate your service. So I'm going to speak to the Congress Central and Caledonia 00:31:50
crosswalks. 00:31:54
So. 00:32:00
According to the report, it was evaluated. This particular area was evaluated in 2019, five years ago, give or take, for 00:32:01
crosswalks. I hope you all received the PowerPoint that I prepared because it not only questioned the absence of crosswalks where 00:32:10
there are curb cuts, it also focused on installing signage for pedestrian safety while crossing Central Ave. And unless it is 00:32:18
legal signage alerting drivers, it is illegal. 00:32:26
To make U turns at Caledonia and Grove streets, the 2019 report by the previous city traffic engineer assumes everybody is going 00:32:35
to the post office by way of his recommendation, which stated quote the safer pedestrian route from Caledonia Park to the post 00:32:41
office. 00:32:48
Is by way of the West side of Central Ave. and crossing at Lighthouse Ave. 00:32:54
That statement is quite the contrary as not everybody is going to the post office. The fact remains that the post office has a 00:33:00
location located on Central Ave. where people park their cars across from this location and have to cross Central Ave. to pick up 00:33:05
their mail. 00:33:10
There is no evaluation in the report presented regarding the installation of signage for pedestrian safety in Crossing Central 00:33:16
Ave. 00:33:20
People cross Central Ave. to go to Caledonia Park, Lovers Point, Meals on Wheels, the farmers Market and kids who go play 00:33:25
basketball. And there are many dog walkers along Central Ave. who cross the street to walk down and around Caledonia Park. 00:33:32
If you recall, the last photo in my PowerPoint was that of the intersection near the Meals on Wheels building. I included it to 00:33:40
demonstrate a point that although criteria for the installation across walks there were not met, they were installed along with 00:33:48
directional traffic and pedestrian signage, making the area as a whole safer. 00:33:55
The point I was attempting to make was pedestrian safety can be achieved without being so black and white. 00:34:03
I am respectfully requesting that you place this item on your May agenda for discussion and to make a recommendation that staff in 00:34:10
the City's current traffic engineer evaluate the Central Ave. Caledonia Grove St. locations for signage that will provide much 00:34:17
needed pedestrian safety when crossing Central Ave. Thank you. Thank you. 00:34:24
All right. Are there, is there anybody online that wants to? 00:34:35
Make a comment. Yes, give me one second. 00:34:41
It's Miss Dumber. I have to switch systems here. 00:34:48
OK, miss down, where you at the floor? Thank you. I had to find the unmute sign. You have to put it up. OK, I don't know. Am I 00:34:54
supposed to talk on all the intersections that are in this item or do I? Is it just the one? Because I do have comments about the 00:35:02
Caledonia and I do have comments about others. So do you want them all lumped together in 3 minutes? 00:35:10
Mr. Chair. 00:35:22
Yes. 00:35:24
Did you want them all lumped together? All the comments on all the different intersections? 00:35:26
Yes, ma'am. 00:35:34
Thank you. I couldn't hear him. Do you hear me now? Yes, yes. Thank you very much. 00:35:35
Brother, please. 00:35:43
OK. On the Caledonia one, I'm going to very much agree with Miss Garcia in that people don't cross that wise that way. I mean they 00:35:46
do not walk up to Lighthouse and they still got across, you know the other street, I guess it's Grove that goes on the other side 00:35:55
of Caledonia Park. I avoid the downtown completely except going up. 00:36:03
To get to the post office. 00:36:13
And I turn left off Central at Falls Drapery there and go up to Lighthouse and then go down and. 00:36:16
Then I return home on Central Ave. and I tell you that you can have people and kids darting in and out at different times of day. 00:36:25
And I will creep along at 1-2 miles an hour going around that curve. And it needs to have a sign to warn people. And yes, it needs 00:36:36
to be agendized and have another one, you know, another big discussion about it because. 00:36:46
This is a really scary corner and I am, every time I see kids darting out, I am just scared to death for them, even if their 00:36:57
parents are kind of across the street, you know, I mean, they're all, it's a confused situation. 00:37:05
And it's either way if I ever come up central all the way to Lighthouse, which I don't usually but. 00:37:15
I mean without turning up falls. 00:37:23
Then it's not as problematic because I have a clearer shot of seeing down Central. But coming back from White House and Central, 00:37:29
going around the post office, the back way towards Caledonia, you don't see them. And then people are parking their cars to get 00:37:36
into the back entrance of the post office. And let's face it, people don't cross the way the previous traffic engineer wanted them 00:37:43
to. 00:37:50
And so I really think that it needs either some signage, some awareness. I mean, if we can put up signs for our deer, we can 00:37:58
certainly put them up for our kids and seniors. 00:38:05
You know, not necessarily that you put a caricature up like that of us, but anyway. 00:38:13
And when it comes to the early and Central Ave. that calming project, I live on slope, my ingress and egress is coming down slow 00:38:21
'cause we're one way turning right on early. 00:38:30
And then when I hit the intersection at central. 00:38:40
OK, the easiest way is to turn right, which of course you can't really see because there are all these cars parked to the left on 00:38:44
Central. 00:38:50
And there's the combing project and there's 1234 crosswalks and four different you have to monitor and you have to see all and 00:38:57
then the crossrock right in front of you and the one on the right, it is very difficult to ease your way around it in the 00:39:06
crosswalk to even turn right to go towards the library and. 00:39:15
And the post office, I mean, this is the visibility is terrible. 00:39:25
OK, early where I'm coming out there on slope is supposedly going to be the entrance to the new hotel ATC. 00:39:32
Then when you turn right on Central and in the middle of the block there, right past the parklet, that's, you know, the old Vickio 00:39:42
parklets that got hit and is sitting out there, That's where the public parking lot is going to be. 00:39:50
I'm sorry to interrupt you, but your your pastor 3 minutes. So I think we're going to continue this discussion probably at our at 00:40:01
our next. 00:40:05
Meeting next month. 00:40:11
Because there's a lot of information here, but also because our director Go is going to have to leave for another meeting. 00:40:15
But I thank you and I hopefully you'll you'll call back to our our. 00:40:23
Meeting and if you want to submit more emails, you'll certainly do that too. Thank you. 00:40:30
So, Mr. Go, are you? 00:40:40
I'm ready to field questions from the Commission and by all means I I stated in our presentation that will be evaluating Central 00:40:44
Ave. in Caledonia, the area for signs and we've already been discussing that with staff and I could bring those recommendations 00:40:50
back to the Traffic Safety Commission, but I don't see that necessary we can make the appropriate improvements and just move 00:40:56
forward. 00:41:03
So whether the my concern is that we probably have other people who wish to speak, but if you have another meeting, you have to 00:41:10
attend and it's I, I I don't want you to. There's nobody else online that's looking to speak. The public comment, Sir. OK. Yeah, 00:41:18
I've, I've looked you can confirm with the police chief. I'm online as a panelist and Inga is the only person that's in the queue. 00:41:27
OK. So any commissioners wish to make a comment. Commissioner CERN Mr. Go. I'm. I'm wondering what the warrants is that. 00:41:35
Something that is negotiable if there's enough community interest in some of these requests, like. 00:41:46
Stop signs and things like that. Like I understand that we're well under minimum. 00:41:56
Speed limits and we don't have the normal amount of traffic that normally warrants a stop sign. 00:42:01
But I'm wondering if that's just a benchmark, but if we have a lot of community support that want things like stop signs, if it's 00:42:10
possible to be more prescriptive and add measures like that. 00:42:17
These warrants are based strictly from the California Manual and Uniform Traffic Control Devices and also the Federal Highway 00:42:26
Administration, so. 00:42:30
There's not a lot of negotiation. These are standards that are set, so every intersection is treated similar. 00:42:36
To each one so that you don't have. 00:42:45
So you have. 00:42:50
Your engineering evaluation based on standard specifications. 00:42:53
OK. So warrants are the, the baseline guidance and unless we had higher amounts of traffic or the speed limit or things like that 00:43:01
or the accidents that happened would have been solved with stop signs, then we then we would be in discussions of yes, we'll have 00:43:10
stop signs, but because we don't meet those requirements, it's a it's dead on arrival. We're not adding stop signs. 00:43:19
They don't know which shoulder to look after over because you got cars all behind you, every single direction. It's going to 00:44:02
compound other issues. We take into account all of those as we do our evaluation on every intersection. Thank you for putting 00:44:09
together your presentation and for doing so quickly. Welcome. 00:44:16
Mr. Chairman. 00:44:23
Got a quick question. So going back, Mr. go to the intersection at early and Central. 00:44:24
I think I'd asked before, and I think you were trying to address that, about whether the plan for the hotel was taking into 00:44:35
consideration that intersection. 00:44:39
I'm still concerned about that because clearly the hotel has now been approved. There will be something going on there and I just 00:44:44
don't see how people aren't going to be. A lot of traffic may not be coming up that road into Central, and I'm wondering if 00:44:52
there's a way to coordinate with the planning for the traffic flow around the hotel with regard to that intersection. 00:45:00
Absolutely. And as the progress progresses and we start working with the contractor and the developers, we will be discussing with 00:45:09
them truck routes, egress and ingress to the properties. But as of right now, that wasn't part of my evaluation and I can't even 00:45:19
begin to evaluate that intersection with respects to that hotel because we haven't even seen a plan set for that hotel. 00:45:29
So this is my task today was to evaluate the. 00:45:40
Intersection as it currently lies and that's what we did understand. I think it's something maybe, Mr. Chairman, we can discuss at 00:45:44
a later date, but I think we have to keep an eye on it. I think there's going to be a lot of traffic issues related to the hotel 00:45:49
coming in given its size. Thank you. 00:45:54
And I believe there is a traffic study that accompanied the hotel plans, so. 00:46:01
Any other comments from the commissioners? 00:46:07
I have a comment. So going back to Commissioner Stern's questions about the stop signs there at Forest and and Congress, in my 00:46:16
mind, the the stop signs were not proposed. 00:46:23
For speed control it was proposed for. 00:46:30
To afford cross traffic easier and safer crossing of lighthouse and. 00:46:36
You're you're helping a part of that with the AB413. 00:46:47
Issue with the sight lines because sight lines were were are an issue there I. 00:46:54
But it's not, it wasn't in my mind, it wasn't a speed, it wasn't a speed issue. It was a creating a. 00:47:01
A safer way to cross Lighthouse and with with traffic stop at both of those intersections. 00:47:10
And the other question I had had and I made a comment. 00:47:21
And this had to do more with AI guess traffic calming on Patterson Lane. 00:47:27
One of the things that I've seen in other jurisdictions is the where they have a centerline that is kind of a zigzag line right 00:47:34
before you get to a kind of an area to be to use caution. And I was just wondering if any if the city's ever used, I don't 00:47:44
remember seeing it in this jurisdiction, but as you have any experience using that as a traffic calming measure? 00:47:54
No, Sir, I'm not familiar with that. I've never seen that on the ground, even in my travels just around, nor have I seen that. 00:48:04
On the Monterey Peninsula, have you heard of that commander? Anything like that? I've never seen that in as AI don't know. 00:48:13
Approved method to control speed. 00:48:21
It's something you would like us to look into. We can, but. 00:48:26
I think it might be helpful. Our speeds aren't showing that we're having a problem on Patterson. It's a perceived problem because 00:48:31
people accelerate up the hill and if you have a car with a larger engine, maybe it Revs up and somebody's thinking you're 00:48:35
speeding, but. 00:48:40
Our our information is not showing that there's a problem. It's beating. 00:48:46
And this is this exact line thing was. 00:48:55
To more of a cautionary thing, kind of a traffic calming. 00:49:01
Thing I can I can show you photos later, but we do have residents who have come to us many times both because of pedestrians and 00:49:06
crossing. 00:49:12
Patterson and just last month we had a gentleman here was quite passionate about his concern with with that area. So it's. 00:49:19
And you, you mentioned the word perceive and I think a lot of this and I think Commissioner Stern was getting at that too. You go 00:49:30
through the analytical part of it and you can show statistically that this is what happens and it doesn't warrant. 00:49:37
A change, but people are. 00:49:46
They don't feel safe in some of these locations, whether it's Caledonian Central, whether it's crossing Lighthouse at at Congress 00:49:52
or at Forest or along Patterson, there are, it's almost intrinsic that people they believe. 00:50:01
Their their it, it and as you say, they're, they perceive a dangerous situation. And So what we're trying to do is I guess help 00:50:12
eliminate that that perception and there may be. 00:50:18
Both engineering and there could be enforcement. 00:50:25
Ways of of helping that. 00:50:28
I mean there's ways to engineer everything if a large enough pot of money is thrown at it or enforcement if a large. 00:50:34
Large enough pot of money is thrown at it where we have unlimited amount of officers out there to do the job. But if the if it's 00:50:42
not safe, my recommendation is public works is if it's not safe to cross the road in a location, then don't cross the road in that 00:50:48
location. That's why we don't have crosswalks there. 00:50:53
Curb ramp and I know this and I know that and if I was to design those roadways, I would not have put those curb ramps in those 00:51:00
locations, but they're there. So I mean that goes back to the engineering if there's a large enough pot of money. 00:51:07
To engineer solutions we can do that, but unfortunately the city of Pacific Grove doesn't have that that opportunity so the people 00:51:14
pedestrians need to use their common sense and their logic when they're walking on these roadways I agree so getting back to the 00:51:22
if you're talking about the curb cut there at Caledonia and the central now what's the possibility of taking that out and putting 00:51:29
in vegetation there to. 00:51:37
To. 00:51:45
Keep people from from walking there. There's a possibility, but I would like to install signage and see if we can slow the traffic 00:51:48
with that approach first because that's significantly cheaper and less obstructive. 00:51:55
And we'll be doing that. And while it was not on your list, I think you and I have previously I mentioned. 00:52:03
What I believe is a dangerous location there at California Salsa with people walking over to Lovers Point in the middle of that 00:52:11
curve. 00:52:16
It's, you know, people walk out from between port cars into traffic and it's, you know, again, sight lines are not. 00:52:22
A very good there. 00:52:30
All righty. Well, I think I guess we can, I can discuss this with the commander and maybe the chief. 00:52:33
At a later date to determine if we need any additional discussion on these particular locations, but for now, I think we can move 00:52:44
on to our next. 00:52:51
Our next section, which is new business. Thank you. 00:52:59
Thank you. 00:53:04
Thank you, Mr. GOH. 00:53:06
So would you like me to share the document that Commissioner Stern sent me? Yes, please. 00:53:13
Unfortunately, our our. 00:53:26
Vice Chair. 00:53:31
Commissioner Brown had to leave for another event, but. 00:53:34
Commissioner Stern and John. 00:53:41
On the hook here, did you want to make any comments about? 00:53:44
Our subcommittee recommendations or would you like me to? 00:53:50
Talk about it and then you can. 00:53:55
I'm, I'm just want, like, did we want to just run through all of them? I'm happy to do that. Our overarching goal is to provide a 00:53:57
transportation system that is safe and secure for all transportation modes and for people of all ability and mobility levels. And 00:54:04
the way that we broke this down is by three focus areas, vehicles, bicycles and pedestrians. 00:54:12
These are recommendations that we would like to accomplish. 00:54:21
As a Commission, and we're bringing this to you to get your input and also we want to potentially approve these goals tonight if 00:54:26
possible. So the first one is the focus of vehicles. We'd like to work proactively with the Pacific Grove Police Department, 00:54:36
public works and traffic engineer to reduce speed limits and hotspot areas. Some areas to look into would be on 17 mile Drive. 00:54:46
Early Patterson Congress Jewel between Pacific and Del Monte and Pine Ave. 00:54:56
This is not. 00:55:02
Inclusive of everything, there could be other hotspot areas that we are unaware of, but this is a starting point. The next goal 00:55:05
would be to work proactively with the Pacific Grove Police Department, traffic engineer, Public Works and City Council to add 00:55:13
traffic calming measures. For example, which we just heard tonight probably will not happen. A four way stop sign pull abouts and 00:55:20
or flashing signs on White House Ave. between Congress and Fountain. So again we were taking into consideration. 00:55:28
A lot of public comment when we wrote the school and the school we created before hearing Mr. Goes presentation. So I think this 00:55:36
one might need to be reevaluated and instead I. 00:55:43
Discussed a little bit, maybe in more detail if there's anything else we can do. 00:55:51
Let's just for now just stop at vehicles and see is there anybody in the audience would like to comment on on these first two 00:55:58
recommendations? 00:56:03
Seeing none, is there anyone online that wishes to comment on these recommendations? 00:56:10
Any Commissioners have any comments on these recommendations? Commissioner Chamas? Yes, I would. I mean, I heard Commissioner 00:56:19
Stern say that these are not the only ones on the first focus on the. 00:56:26
Your first one, but I think you should add the Cedar Sunset and Congress one to that list because that will be that will keep 00:56:35
coming up this year. So and is this for the year then? Is that what we're forever and ever? 00:56:43
Until it gets fixed, I mean as. 00:56:53
You're giving examples of what is current, right? And so let me let me do go in a little bit of detail. So I picked some of these. 00:56:57
Specifically 17 Mile Drive, Patterson and. 00:57:09
Jewel because they were 30 mile an hour speed limits. 00:57:15
And relatively. 00:57:21
Not particularly busy high roads well for instance, 17 mile drive and Chief if you're there we have some photographs just that 00:57:24
this is some sight line issues I. 00:57:31
The four that I sent you yesterday and I think the two that I sent you today, uh. 00:57:39
Along 17 mile drive between Lighthouse and the PG gate of Pebble Beach is essentially 30 miles an hour from from Del Monte up to 00:57:44
Lighthouse it's 25 and then in Pebble Beach it's it's 25. So it's just this one section. And then in for instance, in this one 00:57:54
section there are two Little League fields. There is a preschool. 00:58:03
Maybe 50 or 60 homes and apartments, most of them with driveways that back on to. 00:58:15
Onto lighthouse and and a curving it's actually a bit wider than some roads, but it's one of those things where do you really need 00:58:23
30 mile an hour speed limit on on this section where all the other sections of it are 25 and on the on our screen right now if we 00:58:31
could go back to those photographs I can just. 00:58:39
So this is at the West End of Short St. looking N to. 00:58:50
To a long 17 mile drive and I'm on a bicycle so I'm taller than the average driver sitting in a car and I'm actually closer to the 00:58:59
stop line. 00:59:04
Than than the average driver. So you can see this is this photo is to the South. 00:59:12
This one's to the north and you can see the sight lines are somewhat limited there. To the South. It's actually very good sight 00:59:19
lines. So that is really. 00:59:23
That direction is not particularly an issue if we go to. 00:59:28
This other one, this one is at the East End of Pico at 17 Mile Drive and this is last Saturday. So there was a ball game going and 00:59:33
you can see and this is looking to the north on 17 Mile Drive, that again and there's a hill there. So there's limited visibility. 00:59:42
And that next photo? 00:59:51
Is this is looking S on 17 mile drive again at Pico and very limited and and the faster vehicles are going and the more limited 00:59:55
your sight lines are, the greater potential for for a collision. So these are just examples of. 01:00:05
Of what we were thinking of in the issues with these particular streets. And as we were talking about Patterson Lane, that section 01:00:16
of Patterson Lane is actually at 3030 miles an hour. And while the average speed limit was or the I guess highest speed limit or 01:00:26
the downhill speed limit was around 27, again, should it be at, should it be at 30 miles an hour? 01:00:36
And so the state has and, and there is a whole, a whole equation as to you do your traffic study, you determine the 85th 01:00:47
percentile of what the drivers are driving, the speed the drivers are driving at, and, and. But then if you have extenuating 01:00:55
circumstances or you have special conditions, you can lower that. In this state of California, Caltrans has, has a, you know, a 01:01:03
situation where they can, you can lower that speed limit by 5 miles an hour if you believe that. 01:01:11
That 85 percentile is. 01:01:20
Anyway, so this is these are the types of things we're. 01:01:25
We were. 01:01:28
Thinking about when? 01:01:30
Coming up with these recommendations. 01:01:33
I'm happy to continue if there's no more comments, OK? 01:01:35
The next focus area is bicycles. The first goal was to develop a comprehensive bike plan that can be adopted and accepted as part 01:01:39
of the general plan. The next one was and his background. We want something that does take into account something like complete 01:01:49
streets if you guys have heard that word before. But I do believe I saw an RFP go out for a circulation plan. 01:01:58
That is being, I believe, brought to the Planning Commission. So that actually might fall in that category since it is circulation 01:02:09
related. So that could be adopted as a ad hoc bike plan or not ad hoc, but in lieu of a bike plan, a circulation plan. 01:02:18
So that actually might be in the works as we speak. The next one is add bike parking. 20 plus spaces for bikes to park along a 01:02:30
Solomon beach. 01:02:35
Need adequate room to accommodate E bikes, bike trailers, and surfboards. Work with the Public Works Department to submit a grant 01:02:41
request to TMC and get approval from the California Coastal Commission. And as a bit of background. 01:02:48
The Public Works department has installed one bike rack, but I believe that we could probably create a bike corral and add more 01:02:57
flexibility to accommodate even more bicycles, especially during the high tour seasons, and potentially encourage more people to 01:03:03
bike instead of drive their cars and provide more. 01:03:09
Reasonable parking to get to those access points to the beach next and just a notation that this is at the the crosswalk from the 01:03:17
Conference Center down to the beach approximately that area. 01:03:23
Next one is to work with local businesses to install bike parking to encourage cycling. Suggested areas include the Grove Market, 01:03:30
Pacific Grove Library, and local parks. And this project could utilize potential county grant funding, and I'm thinking against 01:03:36
specifically some grants from TAMSI. 01:03:42
Any anybody online wishing to comment? 01:03:52
We have one hand raised. 01:03:57
I have to stop sharing to do that. 01:04:01
Kim, you have the floor. 01:04:04
Hi, thank you. I actually tried to get my hand raised for the last one, but I would just like to include Ocean View Blvd. I'm down 01:04:07
there quite a bit and there are of course tons of tourists that drive that scenic route and they're sort of just cruising along at 01:04:14
the like a 15 mile an hour speed limit. And then you have other people that are speeding by and passing them. We have tons of 01:04:21
tourists crossing that street and. 01:04:28
On occasion, different wildlife and so it seems a little bit dangerous to have the speed limit that's on there now. And I thought 01:04:36
maybe it would be better to have it the same as lighthouse, Downtown Lighthouse, because it's better to go down to the lower 01:04:43
speed. The tourists are sort of cruising along than to have the people racing around them trying to get by. But I've seen several 01:04:51
near accidents and hopefully not a pedestrian get hit, but. 01:04:58
We're seeing since the pandemic, an increase of people speeding on that street and of course, a lot of cruising where they're 01:05:06
revving their their cars and, and going around other people that are just trying to enjoy the view. So you might want to toss 01:05:13
Ocean View Blvd. in your your list of streets. Thank you. 01:05:20
Thank you. 01:05:28
Anyone else online? 01:05:31
Any commissioners have any comments on the the bicycle section? 01:05:35
One comment. 01:05:40
I was thinking of schools being kind of included maybe in some of the for the bicycles for because the schools are interested in, 01:05:42
you know, they promote bike riding to school and but they are interested in, you know, safe passage to school. So I don't know if 01:05:49
that. 01:05:56
Fits in, but you you talk about the library and parks, but I just thought schools might be a another area that you could, you 01:06:04
know, include with them. And there is there's already a program that's safer out to school. So it's both for pedestrian and for 01:06:10
for kids riding bikes. 01:06:16
OK. Thank you. Anybody else with? 01:06:23
Chief, do you mind bringing up the goals again? Sure. Sorry about that. 01:06:27
And Commissioner Shamas, in terms of including schools as part of it, the circulation plan that I was talking about should look 01:06:35
into that as well as part of Safe Routes to School. Thank you. 01:06:41
All right. The last recommendation here is for pedestrians. We would like to work with the Police Department to enforce safe use 01:06:50
of crosswalks. One recommendation was to install the must stop for pedestrians in that type of signage and trouble areas. I know 01:06:57
that Public Works has installed them in some locations already, but perhaps we can look at other hotspot locations to see if we 01:07:05
might be able to install a bit more signage to make those crosswalks really stand out. 01:07:12
The next one is create a comprehensive sidewalk replacement plan for areas in Pacific Grove that already have partial or full 01:07:20
sidewalks. 01:07:25
In these cases, we understand that there are some neighborhoods within Pacific Grove that absolutely do not have sidewalks. So 01:07:29
these were not the areas that we are considering. We're thinking of more of the piece meal sidewalk situation that we have closer 01:07:37
to potentially downtown where you have a mixture of concrete and grass and sand and trying to create a more uniform sidewalk 01:07:44
replacement plan depending on potential. 01:07:51
Remodels or. 01:07:59
Work that's being done on a house, but basically have a plan that can work with the public works so that there is a goal to create 01:08:01
sidewalks. 01:08:06
On a rolling basis as part of General. 01:08:11
General maintenance. And then the last one here is implement a Vision 0 Action plan. Request that the Police Department present 01:08:17
accident statistics at Traffic Safety Commission meetings to provide updates and trends. And for those of you that are not 01:08:23
familiar with Vision 0 Action Plan, it's something that the city of Salinas has done successfully. It's a way to reduce the number 01:08:29
of accidents or deaths. 01:08:36
Related to vehicles and. 01:08:42
This has been done successfully. Would love to try to do something similar here. I know that we are looking at Mr. Goes 01:08:46
presentation of only certain number of accidents and a certain number of years, but Vision Zero plan would be to have no 01:08:53
accidents. And so I think that's kind of our goal as Traffic Safety Commission is to let's get to 0 accidents. 01:09:01
Any comments? I guess yeah. Anybody online wishing comment? 01:09:09
I see no hands raised. 01:09:18
Commissioners, you have. 01:09:20
I think that answered one of your questions concerning the statistics. 01:09:22
Since this is a goal, should should this last on the Vision 0 action plan? 01:09:28
And it it kind of dovetails with what Commissioner Brown was asking for and the traffic collisions, history or updates should it 01:09:35
go on the next agenda as a item to formally. 01:09:42
Discuss because I mean when it stays here on a goal, how does? 01:09:50
Do these things go, I mean, you have to put it on the agenda, right, to get moving. It's on the agenda now. So we can do lots of 01:09:54
stuff with this. So we can, we can approve this and and have that for the and add it to the next agenda if the Commission wishes. 01:10:04
And as far as the, I think one of the things for the Vision 0 action plan. 01:10:13
That would probably require. 01:10:23
A presentation from an expert who who could talk about the the the whole process of and what it includes. I think there got 01:10:26
information that there may be some confusion as to complete St. program and the Vision Zero plan in in my mind are two different 01:10:37
things. The complete street is a you know, not every street in Pacific Grove could possibly be a complete St. for. 01:10:47
Pedestrian cyclists and cars. It's but there are some like forest and sunset. 01:10:58
That are I believe in that process to in some way becoming a complete St. program in the in the city. Public Works is in the 01:11:05
process of putting some of that together. 01:11:11
But the the Vision Zero plan is a is kind of a very overall concept, but it it looks at essentially every intersection, every 01:11:19
place in the in the city and and looks at what statistics are and where any problem spots may be. 01:11:28
Is my understanding, but having a presentation to the Commission and to the city, I think would be. 01:11:37
Helpful sometime in the future. 01:11:44
And that's something that we can work on on putting together. 01:11:46
All right, so I guess what we can do is as a Commission, we can. 01:11:54
Look at each of these individually and either agree or modify these or. 01:12:04
Free with them and then and then. 01:12:15
Approve them or did not approve them and and then move on. 01:12:19
On an individual basis, as opposed to. 01:12:24
I, I have a recommendation. I'd like to lump them all together, but amend the second vehicle one, which is kind of what we heard 01:12:31
of Mr. Goes presentation today and instead amend it to say to add traffic calming measures. I would just put where appropriate. 01:12:42
Based on hot spots instead of having a specific lighthouse Ave. because that would go along with Mr. Goes recommendation to have 01:12:54
CIP traffic calming measures as indicated in his presentation. So it would make it a bit more open to interpretation so that we 01:13:02
can achieve that goal. So again, it's I propose lumping it all together with the amendment to say and City Council to add traffic 01:13:09
calming measures. 01:13:17
Where appropriate based on hotspot areas. 01:13:25
OK. Yeah. I don't have any commissioners have any concerns or about that. 01:13:30
Yeah, OK. Yeah. Why don't we go ahead and make those those changes? 01:13:37
You need a motion. 01:13:46
And I'm not sure it's, I'm not sure we need a motion on this because it's not a. 01:13:47
It was just a it was essentially a proposal. 01:13:55
Well, the recommended actions, Mr. Chair, are review recommendations and approve the goals for review recommendations and provide 01:14:00
alternatives or request additional information from the School subcommittee. 01:14:05
So that sounded like a motion from Commissioner Stern. 01:14:15
Actually, Thomas. 01:14:20
Well, if we needed one correct, Chief, I was making a recommendation to group all of these together with the amendment. 01:14:22
Accept these, accept and approve these Traffic Safety subcommittee goals, I guess recommendations and just with the modification, 01:14:34
I got that. 01:14:42
So that was that was OK. We have a motion and a second Commissioner Stern. 01:14:51
Aye. 01:15:00
Greening. 01:15:03
Aye, Brock. 01:15:05
Vice Chair Brown is absent now and Chair Gundy. 01:15:09
The five one and one vacant. 01:15:16
So it is approximately 523 and I believe we don't have any report from our subcommittee because we just talked about our last. 01:15:25
Process and our next meeting is scheduled for May 28th and we are adjourned. 01:15:40
Thank you. 01:15:50
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