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Good morning, everyone. 00:00:06
I'd like to call the meeting of the zoning administrator to order. 00:00:08
It is Monday, August 21st, 10 AM. 00:00:13
And we are here in the City Council chambers of the. 00:00:16
Pacific Grove City Hall. 00:00:20
So I call the meeting to order. 00:00:22
Staff Would you do a roll call? 00:00:25
We have an institution, Wyatt Zoning Administrator here. 00:00:29
I'm here. Thanks. 00:00:32
OK. I'd like to move forward with the agenda. 00:00:35
An approved. 00:00:39
The. 00:00:41
Agenda. 00:00:42
And then we can open for general public comment. Yeah, I'd like to open now. 00:00:47
For general public comment, comments from the audience will. 00:00:51
Not receive zoning administrator action. Comments must deal with matters subject to the jurisdiction of the zoning administrator. 00:00:55
And will be limited to 3 minutes. 00:01:04
Comments regarding agenda items. 00:01:06
Shall not be heard. 00:01:08
Or shall be heard at the time such as items are called. 00:01:10
Whenever possible, letters should be submitted to the zoning administrator. 00:01:14
In advance of the meeting, I just would like to note that I did receive. 00:01:18
Many public comments. Thank you. 00:01:22
So any items related to the zoning administrator and not the item on the agenda are open for public comment. 00:01:24
I see no hands raised virtually and I see no one in the audience. 00:01:38
And please come up to the podium and state your name. 00:01:45
If you're if you're going to speak. 00:01:48
So these are just not related to the items on the agenda. If you just have other zoning issues you'd like to talk about? 00:01:54
Thank you. 00:02:00
OK. I'm moving forward with the consent agenda. 00:02:06
The consent agenda deals with routine and non controversial matters and may include actions. 00:02:09
On resolutions, ordinances. 00:02:14
Or other public hearings for which test testimony is not anticipated. 00:02:17
The vote on the consent agenda shall apply to each item that has not had that has not been removed. 00:02:21
The items we have on the consent agenda today requiring action. 00:02:28
We have no reports for information only. 00:02:33
And only report requiring action of the minutes of the last zoning administrator meeting. 00:02:35
That was held March 23rd, 2021. 00:02:41
I move to approve the consent agenda as it stands. 00:02:46
Was there public comment on the consent agenda? Let's go ahead and open it up for public comment. 00:02:56
On the Minutes. 00:03:01
Of the last consent agenda. 00:03:03
Items. 00:03:05
I see no virtual hands raised and I see no one from the public wishing to speak. 00:03:07
All right. We will move forward then. 00:03:12
With the regular agenda items. 00:03:14
This is a public hearing regarding. 00:03:17
So for public hearings involving a quasi judicial determination by the zoning administrator. 00:03:21
The proponent of any item may be given 10 minutes to speak. 00:03:26
And others in support of the proponents position. 00:03:31
Position. 00:03:34
Maybe given 3 minutes each. 00:03:35
A designated spokesperson for opposition to the item may be given 10 minutes to speak. 00:03:37
And all others in opposition. 00:03:42
Maybe given 3 minutes each. 00:03:44
Very brief rebuttal and Sir rebuttal. 00:03:47
May be allowed in the sole discretion of the zoning administrator. I will allow that today. 00:03:49
And I will provide 3 minutes to. 00:03:54
Both parties to provide rebuttal. 00:03:58
In public hearings not involving a quasi. 00:04:01
Judicial determination by the Zoning Administrator Administrator. All persons may be given 3 minutes to speak on the matter. 00:04:04
So we will move forward with. 00:04:11
The staff. 00:04:14
Staff. 00:04:18
Presentation. 00:04:19
Laurel. 00:04:21
Thank you. Good morning, zoning administrator and members of the public. I'm Laurel O'halloran, the planner for this 00:04:22
administrative use permit. An application for an administrative use permit was submitted on June 28th, 2023. Staff reviewed the 00:04:28
application and determined the request met the requirements to be approved. 00:04:34
Her municipal code 23.31. On July 17th, 2023, the CDC director approved the administrative use permit. 00:04:40
#23-0179 to allow a restaurant pub with food service. This is an allowable use per. 00:04:49
Our municipal code 23.31 dot O3O. 00:04:56
The public may request a hearing within the 10 day posting period. A zoning administrative hearing for the administrative use 00:05:00
permit was requested on July 25th, 2023. 00:05:04
The Zoning Administrator hearing has been set for today, August 21st. 00:05:09
2023 and has been noticed. 00:05:13
Per our municipal Code 23.86 Notice of Public Hearings. 00:05:15
The proposed project includes retail, a pub with food and alcohol service and music. 00:05:21
The proposed use also allows an enclosed, approximately 1450 square foot beer garden on the Grand Ave. side with food service open 00:05:27
during business hours. 00:05:32
The administrative use permit allows for alcohol, alcohol, service and music. 00:05:37
A building permit will be would be required, if approved, to build the kitchen providing the food service and bathrooms for 00:05:42
customers. 00:05:45
The approximately 4320 square foot parcel is currently developed with a 2640 square foot vacant commercial building. 00:05:50
This building has been vacant for over a year and has recently sold to a new owner. 00:05:57
The former use was a retail screen shop selling clothing items. The subject parcel is located in the commercial downtown. Nearby 00:06:02
uses consist of mixed-use, commercial buildings and residential. 00:06:08
Staff has received over 75 letters of support for the proposed use and for letters not in support of the proposed establishment. 00:06:14
Staff recommends approval of the administrative use permit subject to the recommended findings, conditions of approval for a pub 00:06:23
with food and alcohol service and a category exemption. 00:06:28
15301 existing facilities. This concludes my staff report and I'm available for questions. Thank you. 00:06:33
Thank you, Miss O'halloran. 00:06:41
I'd like to move forward. 00:06:44
And allow. 00:06:47
The. 00:06:48
Proponent. 00:06:50
Project proponent to give her presentation. 00:06:51
Yes, and please press the button menu. 00:07:07
Yes. 00:07:10
And allow you to Do I hold it or do it? Nope. I was on. Hello Hello and please introduce yourself. Ohh yes. 00:07:11
Boy, a podium man. Makes your hands sweat. Kind of. 00:07:18
Well, hello, I'm Michaela. 00:07:24
Hi. Hi. Some of you guys know me from the Arts Center or from piano lessons or maybe from Poppy Hall? 00:07:27
RIP. 00:07:36
But yeah, I'm just trying to open a. Am I supposed to talk to them or to you or to how you. OK. It's really hard. There's a bunch 00:07:38
of them over there. And thank you, everyone for coming. Thank you. And thanks for having me. OK. So I'm just trying to open a 00:07:43
record store and with a. 00:07:49
Little music performance area in the back. 00:07:55
That will have food available. 00:07:58
And. 00:08:00
An outdoor space. 00:08:02
It's going to be all within the code you know. Music is allowed in that code from until outside until 10:00 PM, at a decibel level 00:08:03
of 70 at the property line which isn't very loud, and then after 10 until midnight it can be indoors. 00:08:12
At the decibel level of 65. 00:08:23
I don't even intend to be that late. 00:08:25
Who even goes out that late, You know, it's I'll be like it's like a 10:00 kind of a thing, you know, in this town. And I'm fine 00:08:28
with that. And that's part of the fabric of this town is, is it is the sleepiness that everybody loves. But there needs to be a 00:08:34
few things for for kids and families. And I'm not trying to, I'm not trying to make the Viper room. 00:08:40
Or the Hollywood Bowl. It's not going to be. 00:08:47
Hundreds of cars clogging up the neighborhoods for parking. It's not going to be super late night. Really crazy. 00:08:49
You know rock and or roll, it's going to be more low key and and all ages. That's the whole point of. 00:08:56
The venue is to give my students. I'm a piano teacher and I know a lot of other music teachers in in the town and and in the area 00:09:05
and they all are saying that they don't have anywhere for their kids to. 00:09:10
Cut their chops. You know you can't just play an open mic and then jump straight to the catalyst. You know you need those little 00:09:15
stepping stone venues. Small, welcoming, safe. 00:09:20
Your buddies can come, you know, as a kid going to. 00:09:25
Shows. I wasn't old enough to go to a bar, but I could go to a show and see a band and you know, that opens. 00:09:29
Horizons and then, you know, like culturally in your mind and I don't know, I'm really rambling. I made this whole thing on next 00:09:37
door, like, I guess I could read it. I have 10 minutes. I. 00:09:41
I don't have to do 10 minutes though, right? 00:09:47
You know, it's. Yeah, I'm the building is zoned downtown commercial and yes, there are some residences above some buildings in 00:09:50
town. But you know, that's part of the game, right? Isn't that what's cool about living downtown? You get to have some of that 00:09:55
lively. 00:10:00
Stuff, You know, the music and the. 00:10:05
You know until 10 and then everything goes goes quiet. Don't worry. 00:10:07
And it's not going to be, it's yeah, it's going to be like. 00:10:12
Just family oriented. 00:10:15
Easy. 00:10:17
Bring your kids, bring your dogs. There's going to be a high school band on a Sunday afternoon playing, you know, and then later 00:10:19
on maybe maybe Tallman and Magenta Screen will play. Or, you know, it's a jazz band. Peter Martin, I don't know. Some it's going 00:10:23
to be. 00:10:28
TG OK, what I'm saying PG and PG. 00:10:34
Umm. 00:10:39
And I just feel like we need that in this town. 00:10:40
Something to do besides you know there's lots of cool things to do here but I'm I'm you know I like. 00:10:43
Music and indoor activities and and that's to me what this would be and. 00:10:50
I don't know, this is really weird. Guys, I'm sorry, I don't know how to. 00:10:55
You know it's the record store too. 00:10:59
It's not just bar. It's not going to. The bar is not even the focus. There will be a little bar because you know. 00:11:01
Fun, but but not, you know, it's not going to be like. 00:11:07
Let's do shots and listen to Slayer till 2:00 AM. You know it's not going to be that at all. 00:11:12
You know the the little beer garden area in the back, it'll be it'll be contained. 00:11:19
It'll just be a nice outdoor, indoor, outdoor for our few nice days we get, you know. 00:11:24
I don't know. 00:11:30
Umm. 00:11:32
I guess, yeah. I just. I don't know what else to say I'm going to do. I've I've dotted all my T's and crossed all my eyes and 00:11:34
like, I just don't. 00:11:37
I I feel as though I've met with the city enough and all of the departments within, I've gotten all the information and I've 00:11:41
followed their. 00:11:44
Followed their guidance and. 00:11:48
As for the ABC, I've done everything they said to I've done all of their all done all my papers, you know? 00:11:50
And it's all it's. It's allowed. Music is allowed in the code and alcohol, it's all baked into this these. 00:11:57
Uses and I'm not going to overstep that. I'm not trying to. I just want to make. 00:12:04
I just wanna add to the town I'm not trying to like. 00:12:10
Bulldozing and change everything. I love it here. I moved here because I love it here, You know I. 00:12:13
I've been involved and I have no, I didn't grow up here, but I've been here for five years and then as soon as I got here, I got 00:12:19
super involved in everything I could and. 00:12:23
I just saw a need for something like this, so and then. 00:12:27
I kind of figured out. I finally kind of figured out how I could maybe do it, how I could contribute. 00:12:31
So yeah, I'm not trying to rip apart the fabric of PG, I'm just trying to. 00:12:37
Add a square to the quilt you know and give. 00:12:42
Add add something. 00:12:46
Else to do something more, just add to and not take away. 00:12:48
Umm. 00:12:53
And still work within the the nature of the town and the needs of. 00:12:54
The people, OK? 00:12:57
And I think that's. 00:12:59
Ohh do I do like a little. 00:13:01
Like, but anyway, thank you so much to the city has been amazing and super helpful. Thank you for having me. Thank you everyone 00:13:04
who came and wrote letters. I'm like. 00:13:08
But OK, Thank you. 00:13:14
Thank you. 00:13:17
Please, please try and refrain from clapping during this hearing. 00:13:22
I would like to recognize the project opponent. 00:13:27
And Inga, Lawrence and Dahmer, and she will also be provided 10 minutes to provide her presentation. 00:13:32
And speak. I do believe she is virtual today. 00:13:40
Laura, will you please? 00:13:44
Allow her to speak. 00:13:46
Yes, Inga. 00:13:49
Welcome. Thank you. 00:13:51
And. 00:13:53
Contrary to public comment letters, the media and social media this has this appeal has nothing to do with. 00:13:56
Traffic noise killing fun? 00:14:04
The arts or denying music? 00:14:07
Umm. 00:14:10
And would you, I'm queuing up the slide, Laurel, first slide please. 00:14:12
I'm working on that. 00:14:16
Then I'll wait. 00:14:21
Please put it full screen because I am not. 00:14:35
My cameras never enabled. 00:14:40
Thank you, Laurel. 00:14:53
The inconsistencies of this project needed a public hearing to address the many ambiguities. 00:14:55
Exhibited. 00:15:02
In the administrative use permit. 00:15:04
Granted by staff. Unfortunately, administrative use permits issued do not do this. 00:15:07
There seem to be two addresses for this project. 00:15:15
215 Forest, which was the address on the issued. 00:15:18
And posted a UP notice. 00:15:23
And 220 Grand Ave. 00:15:26
Which is where the ABC liquor license application was first posted, with no AUP notice. 00:15:28
A Porta potty blocked this notice from view at times. 00:15:36
This split noticing with different streets and addresses, obscures public transparency and scrutiny. I mean, it really doesn't 00:15:42
allow, unless you walk around the back to see what's really going on. 00:15:48
The initial application. 00:15:56
For this use permit. 00:15:58
To sell alcohol was made to Laurel O'halloran at CD for a pub. 00:16:00
Food service. Alcohol. Music. 00:16:07
Pacific Grove Municipal Code 23 Dash .64 dot. 00:16:11
290. 00:16:16
Addresses alcohol service and a bonafide. 00:16:18
Public eating place in this code. 00:16:22
Any sale of alcoholic beverages. 00:16:26
Shall be subordinate. 00:16:29
To the primary use. 00:16:32
And shall comply with the State Alcoholic Beverage Control ABC license requirements for a Bonafide. 00:16:34
Public eating place. 00:16:46
Pacific Grove Municipal Code. 00:16:49
Has no definition. 00:16:52
Or use permit for a music venue nor a standalone bar without food service. 00:16:53
The only type of license. 00:17:01
The ABC issues for this use is Type 47 on sale general eating place or type 75 brew pub restaurant. 00:17:04
These allow miners on the premises. 00:17:13
The AUP was issued. 00:17:17
To pop in his restaurant. 00:17:19
Located at 215 Forest Ave. under these rules. 00:17:21
There is no mention. 00:17:26
Of an included architectural permit issued by the city. 00:17:28
Which showed up on the noticing for this hearing. 00:17:32
And in Laurel O'halloran's agenda report. 00:17:37
Yeah, only today's hearing. 00:17:44
And it also inserts the restaurant slash pub. 00:17:46
With food service nomenclature. 00:17:51
In the agenda report. 00:17:54
The end of the project states. 00:17:55
A building permit. 00:17:58
Would be required to build the kitchen. 00:18:00
Providing the food service and bathrooms for customers if the use is approved. 00:18:03
All health and safety aspects of this operation. 00:18:09
Would be addressed during the building phase. 00:18:12
Could you queue up the second slide, please? 00:18:21
Which is which city code is this? Is it a restaurant and specialty restaurant? 00:18:31
Which is what the AUP was issued to D1. 00:18:37
Or. 00:18:41
Is it as? 00:18:42
She applied for. 00:18:43
What is noticed on the? 00:18:46
Agenda report. 00:18:48
And the agenda? 00:18:51
And that's what was noticed is the pub and brew pub. 00:18:53
Which is D2, not D1. 00:18:56
So there's inconsistencies right there. 00:19:00
In the muni code addressed. 00:19:03
Landru Halloran. 00:19:10
Oh, by the way, the the pop in his premises at 220 Grand Ave. The mailing address is on 2/15. 00:19:11
And this was. 00:19:20
The application to the alcohol, the ABC. 00:19:22
Which was not for a bona fide eating place. 00:19:26
But for a Type 90 music venue? 00:19:29
For which we have no AUP in Pacific Grove Municode. 00:19:32
Included in this application is a lovely artistically hand drawn diagram. 00:19:36
Depicting the interior and exterior dimensions and layout of the entire project. 00:19:42
There is no kitchen included. 00:19:48
Only a space titled Food Trailer. 00:19:51
Situated on Grand Ave. 00:19:54
Which now is the parking lot. 00:19:56
The proposed use. 00:19:59
Describe the Laurel Halloran describes this in her agenda report, as the proposed use also includes an inclosed, approximately 00:20:01
1450 square foot beer garden on the Grand Ave. side, with food service open during business hours. 00:20:09
Planner, planner, O'halloran's description starts with the proposed project includes retail, a restaurant slash pub. 00:20:19
Food service and alcohol service. 00:20:28
There is no mention of kitchen. 00:20:31
Only service. 00:20:33
This leads me to believe that there is no kitchen planned. 00:20:35
This is just this backed food trailer depicted in the ABC license. 00:20:40
Application. 00:20:48
They're type 90. 00:20:50
ABC license application states that. 00:20:52
75% of sales. 00:20:56
Will come from alcohol. 00:20:59
Sales with minimal. 00:21:02
Food service. 00:21:04
It's on a marked on a secondary St. 00:21:07
And food service is from a food truck. 00:21:09
Yet there is no food service lessee. 00:21:15
That would be running this truck market. 00:21:18
Also, there's no parking lot anymore. 00:21:21
Yes. 00:21:24
Minors are allowed with this license. 00:21:25
But it's not about unified eating place and sales, service and consumption of alcoholic beverages. 00:21:28
Are limited. 00:21:35
Umm. 00:21:37
Would you please go back to the license types, Laurel? 00:21:38
Thank you. 00:21:43
Limited to the time period. 00:21:45
Between. 00:21:48
Two hours after a live performance and one hour. 00:21:50
After the live performance. 00:21:54
Clearly this is an inappropriate ABC license to apply to this project. 00:21:58
I don't know who was really advising these applicants because. 00:22:09
It's not issued to the pub, it is issued to a restaurant. 00:22:14
The license type is. 00:22:19
Not the right license type for a bona fide eating place. 00:22:22
And it seems that this is been. 00:22:26
Misinformation. 00:22:31
I think it was applied for as a substitute for the correct license types which are subject to the provisions. 00:22:33
Of section. 00:22:41
23816 of the State of California Business and Professions Code. 00:22:43
Which has county limits on liquor licenses issued set by population. 00:22:50
And they are expensive and difficult to obtain. There's a quota. 00:22:55
And. 00:23:00
Can you put the summary slide back up? 00:23:03
Thank you. 00:23:07
The AUP was granted using the wrong code section. 00:23:09
It's an inappropriate ABC license. 00:23:13
Umm. 00:23:16
Clearly, this public hearing was necessary to shed light. 00:23:17
On what's happening in the city planning department. 00:23:22
I'm not trying to kill any fun of anybody. 00:23:26
I am trying to uphold. 00:23:29
The process. 00:23:32
So it really is correct and are Pacific Grove. 00:23:33
Municipal code. 00:23:38
I certainly had your kind of fun when I was young, but Pacific Grove just doesn't have standalone bars without major food service. 00:23:41
So. 00:23:49
Thank you. 00:23:52
Thank you. 00:23:54
OK. 00:24:02
I'm in a. 00:24:03
Should we open up the public comment first before rebuttal? 00:24:04
I think so, yeah. I'm going to go ahead and open. 00:24:08
Up to public comment. We will start in the chambers. Public comment will be there are quite a few people. 00:24:12
I'm going to limit public comment to two minutes. 00:24:20
And we will get started in the chambers. Thank you. 00:24:24
You may line up here at the podium. 00:24:29
And please, please line your name and to the podium. 00:24:34
The speaker is already on. 00:24:38
And. 00:24:46
Good morning, My name is Sloan Camping. 00:24:50
I'm a freelance writer for the Monterey County Weekly, covering arts and music. 00:24:55
And I'm also a financial planner here in Monterey. 00:25:00
And. 00:25:05
I've spoken with a lot of artists. 00:25:06
Do my freelance writing job. 00:25:09
All of which artists being musicians. 00:25:13
And I have to say that I believe that this. 00:25:17
Type of space is necessary. 00:25:20
Because. 00:25:23
Each one of them has said. 00:25:26
We don't have an adequate place to play. 00:25:28
A medium sized venue for up and coming local artists that contribute to the vibrancy of our community and that vibrancy. 00:25:31
Existing right here in Pacific Growth there are members of. 00:25:39
That artist community here today. 00:25:44
And I believe what Michaela is doing is. 00:25:47
Necessary. How necessary? Well, there were 23 letters of support submitted just in the packet alone. 00:25:51
For something like this one appellant. 00:25:58
We're here today because of that one appellant. 00:26:03
Umm. 00:26:06
I would just want to point out. 00:26:07
That I don't want to. 00:26:09
Discredit anything that Miss Dahmer is saying, but she is not a city planner. 00:26:11
She is not an agent of the Department of Alcoholic Beverage Control. 00:26:17
She doesn't have appear to have a fundamental understanding of how city planning findings work. 00:26:21
And therefore, I'm not sure how much of A merit her argument carries. 00:26:27
I believe that this is a necessary event. 00:26:32
I think the community does too. 00:26:35
Thank you. 00:26:37
Hello, I'm Donna Drews and I've lived here for six years. Came here from New York. 00:26:45
And I know that music venues in New York are extremely expensive. Here, that's not the case. We have wonderful venues at Jews and 00:26:50
Java, which has been there for years. 00:26:55
That's a public venue. 00:27:01
People and they serve food, they serve drinks. 00:27:03
They have music every Friday night. 00:27:06
They open up the doors. The entire community can hear it. 00:27:09
But nobody's complaining about that. 00:27:13
Now I wonder why that is. 00:27:15
If. 00:27:18
What was presented here today is legitimate. 00:27:18
And there are problems with the applications and the licenses. Surely that's not Michaela's fault she was doing this. 00:27:22
With good conscience if there's a problem with the planning department. 00:27:29
Then this should be rethought. 00:27:33
And the proper license is given. 00:27:36
I think there is some confusion perhaps about the licenses. Again, not Michaela's fault. 00:27:39
She's trying to do something for the community that will enrich the community. 00:27:44
And with all the empty storefronts up and down, the main drag here. 00:27:49
On Lighthouse, I think we should be thinking about. 00:27:54
People entrepreneurs like Michaela who want to do something about. 00:27:57
That emptiness. 00:28:02
That's going on. 00:28:04
Please refrain from any commentary. We need to be able to hear the speaker. Thank you. 00:28:05
So. 00:28:11
In conclusion. 00:28:12
I'm very glad to be here. 00:28:15
I'm glad that there are music venues. 00:28:16
Like wild fish as well, which has music. 00:28:18
Loud and clear every Friday and Saturday. No one's complaining about that. 00:28:22
So I'm hoping. 00:28:26
And perhaps I shouldn't say this, but I do wonder. 00:28:28
I'm hoping that the reason there is. 00:28:30
Confusion about this. 00:28:33
And resistance to it? I hope that's not because Michaela and her partners are women. 00:28:35
Thank you very much. 00:28:40
Good morning, My name is Michael Navares. I'm a Peninsula business owner and I operate a small, all ages music venue in Seaside. 00:28:49
I don't think I'm qualified to speak about the procedural obstructionism we all just had to endure, but I will speak to the 00:28:57
benefits of having a music venue. 00:29:01
That I I've observed as an operator of such an establishment, and those are two. So the first thing that I think is really 00:29:06
important is. 00:29:11
Having an opportunity for culture to happen. Culture is not a static, it's an evolving thing. And if we don't have places for that 00:29:15
to happen. 00:29:19
We don't progress. Our kids get bored. They might turn to. 00:29:23
Other things that are less positive. 00:29:27
Secondly, the economic impact of having something like this that's going to attract a different crowd, PG I think can't be 00:29:30
overstated. 00:29:34
You might be getting people here that don't know about all of the. 00:29:38
Awesome and vibrant businesses that are here and might come back and spend money. 00:29:42
That's about that's that's all I got in support. But Michaela's doing a great thing and I think we should all applaud her. Thanks. 00:29:47
Hello, my name is Reverend Stephen Sam's. I'm a local musician but also touring musician I've played from. 00:30:08
Canada down to Mexico and played just sold out places in Hollywood actually the Viper room, which it definitely sounds like it 00:30:14
would not be. And that being said, I also have a para educator to elementary school children in my district that I grew up in 00:30:19
Salinas. 00:30:24
And I can't tell you how much of A of an invaluable resource that is to have when you're younger. What a positive influence that's 00:30:30
had in my life. When I was younger, I was being courted for street gangs. 00:30:35
And what helped me identify with something positive that I could give back to the community was the influence of music that I had. 00:30:41
I always I was able to achieve what I've been able to achieve through music because I've had places to play. 00:30:47
And I also had, uh, places that were safe. 00:30:54
That I could go to. That my parents knew that I could go to. 00:30:57
I think there's a a tacit concern from the opposition about the safety of. 00:31:00
Of of the children will. 00:31:06
I can tell you that. 00:31:08
I can. I can tell you that that has been the opposite of what is true in my in my experience, also, someone who's been a 00:31:10
bartender, I can tell you your job and the venue, definitely. 00:31:16
What's your job and and the presence of the venue depends on how importantly you take your job when it comes to paying attention 00:31:23
to who you're serving to. That's I don't. I don't think that's a concern. 00:31:28
But there's also renaissance and music happening in this area that I haven't seen in 20 years. And there's so much togetherness. 00:31:33
It's so beautiful and so full of compassionate, amazing people who need places to play. 00:31:38
And they're so inclusive and so supportive and very mature people. 00:31:43
And that being said, I think it would be when we look back at history, we define things by politics and then the reaction to that 00:31:47
which is art, and I think it would be a beautiful addition to the definition of this town. 00:31:53
If we could allow the artistic scene to flourish. Thank you. 00:32:00
Young lady. 00:32:04
Don't worry that it's scary up here. If I just want to let you know that as a young person you have every right to. 00:32:05
Speak in the public and. 00:32:13
We're here to listen. OK, so go ahead. Don't be afraid. Don't be shy. 00:32:15
I don't mind hearing what you have to say. It's OK. 00:32:24
I'm. I'm not. I'm a nice person. 00:32:29
And I I've been a teacher too. 00:32:32
So. 00:32:34
Yeah. 00:32:36
So this is my daughter, Dylan Raymond Hunter. 00:32:36
And we're working on public speaking and public performances, but we don't have anywhere to do that, so hopefully in the future we 00:32:40
will. 00:32:44
In PG. 00:32:48
So Dylan wrote some notes. 00:32:50
And she wanted to say that Michaela is a very good music teacher. 00:32:52
She can help a lot of kids who want to play music with this music venue. 00:32:57
And teenagers as well. 00:33:03
And they all need a fun place to go. 00:33:06
This could be a very, very fun place. 00:33:10
And she hopes that Michaela will get to give this to all the kids in Pacific Grove. 00:33:13
Thank you. Thank you for your comment. 00:33:25
Hello. 00:33:33
My name is Colleen Crook and I'm a resident of Pacific Grove. 00:33:35
I support the approval of this use permit. 00:33:38
The proposed business will be a fantastic addition to our town. It will be good for the neighboring businesses and will bring a 00:33:41
much needed spark to downtown. 00:33:45
We need to help entrepreneurs start new ventures here, not put up roadblocks. There are too many vacant storefronts, and this 00:33:49
business will do the job of occupying one of those. 00:33:54
We, my wife and I live less than a half a mile from the venue and we are very excited about walking down. 00:33:59
And enjoying the events. 00:34:05
And supporting our local musicians. 00:34:07
Please approve this use permit. Pacific Grove and its residents will benefit. 00:34:09
Aye. 00:34:20
My name is Beth Walker. I'm here today to convey my support for the proposed business in downtown called Pop and Hiss. 00:34:21
When we moved to PG and bought our fixer Upper, we chose downtown as a location for the ability to walk to restaurants, retail and 00:34:28
markets. 00:34:32
We wanted a vibrancy that downtown usually brings. 00:34:36
Much to our disappointment, the downtown zone is not vibrant except for on 1st Fridays. 00:34:39
Storefronts are empty, restaurants have closed and a lot of downtown looks vacant. 00:34:45
Kudos to Michaela, who has come has a vision to make PG vibrant again. 00:34:49
To occupy a building that has been vacant for years and provide PG with two new businesses. 00:34:54
I love the fact that this venue will welcome families and provide the artists and musicians in this community with a place to hone 00:35:00
their craft. 00:35:03
I love the possibility of seeing seeing new musical acts and that this place will be a needed first step in making Town downtown 00:35:07
vibrant again. 00:35:11
We need more people willing to take a chance on PG. 00:35:15
What would be the alternative? Would downtown continue to shrink PG be taken over by large corporate chain stores? 00:35:18
As we struggle to survive, we may not have a choice but to welcome those in. 00:35:25
I don't think anyone wants that. 00:35:29
Small business owners are being throttled by a small group of people's outdated feelings about what PG should be and is. 00:35:31
We can't let this continue. 00:35:39
Miss Dahmer, although she is very well informed, never leaves her house. She doesn't live anywhere near this venue and therefore 00:35:42
shouldn't have been allowed to be a complaint. 00:35:47
The complainant cited compliance as the reason for objection. 00:35:52
The fact is that music is allowed downtown in the commercial district. There's already time restrictions in the zoning. 00:35:56
Alcohol is allowed, with food available for purchase. 00:36:02
This. 00:36:06
Written is written in the zoning that is on the books as these businesses are within current zoning. 00:36:06
I'm asking the zoning administrator to approve this permit as soon as possible so that it can have these two new businesses in 00:36:12
Pacific Grove. Thank you. 00:36:16
Sorry about that. My name is Dan Logan, although today I feel a little bit more like Kevin Bacon. 00:36:28
Umm. 00:36:34
I just want to say that the caller who called in seemed to have more issues with the Planning department and Laurel's 00:36:35
interpretation. 00:36:39
Of exactly what address and what code was was supposed to be used. Maybe these are issues that Laurel. 00:36:44
Can clean up and and get this thing moving in the right direction. The caller also seemed to have issues with the ABC. 00:36:52
And however, the arguments she made were completely contrary to the point she was trying to make. 00:37:00
The license that is being applied for. 00:37:05
Is a license that allows the sale only during and after, during, after and before a musical event. 00:37:08
Umm. 00:37:15
That that seemed exactly like the type of license that should be issued here, social media being the highway of misinformation. 00:37:16
Has been overrun by a few people saying this is a bar. This is a bar that will be open from 6:00 AM to 2:00 PM seven nights a 00:37:25
week. We all know that's not true. 00:37:29
So if we can Get the facts straight with the address dot, the eyes cross the T's or the other way around. 00:37:34
I think that would be great if Laurel could get that done and we could move forward in the right direction on approving. 00:37:41
Business owner in Pacific Grove. 00:37:47
Who's going to? 00:37:49
Supply a lot of enjoyment. 00:37:52
Employment. 00:37:54
And tax dollars? Thanks. 00:37:55
Hi, my name is Joel Houston. I'm a local concert promoter. I've been doing that for 19 years. I'm one of, I'm the only primary all 00:38:02
ages concert promoter in the entirety of Northern California. I also run one of two all ages venues left in the entirety of Santa 00:38:08
Cruz and that's the that's the Santa Cruz County Veterans Memorial Building downtown. 00:38:14
This entire state is in desperate need of more all ages rooms. I think this is a great project and should go through. 00:38:20
Be doing what I do. I understand these codes a little better than some other people. She has done nothing wrong. If you actually 00:38:28
look up the code on the website which was frequently left, which was ironically left out of that last slide, you can actually take 00:38:34
a type. I believe it's 47, which Michaela did apply for and you can actually trade it for a type 90, which is the one with. 00:38:41
Less time limits. 00:38:48
Or what's the one that's more restrictive on when she can actually serve alcohol, which I think circumstance a lot of the issues I 00:38:50
am seeing from from the opposition. 00:38:53
So I want to make sure everyone's correctly informed on that. 00:38:57
Also, one of the reasons I moved to PG six years ago and stayed here is this is a beautiful community. 00:39:01
Most of you probably are proud of the fact that we are one of the most coveted public school districts in America. 00:39:08
Especially in California. 00:39:13
There's absolutely nothing for the youth to do aside from sports in this town and nature, which is fun. But we all know what kids 00:39:15
these days want, and it's not necessarily that. So I do think that having an artistic and musical outlet in this town for for the 00:39:21
people immediately posts out of high school and in high school is very important. 00:39:27
And that's that's all I have to say. 00:39:33
Good morning. My name is Wendy Giles. I'm a resident. 00:39:41
Small business owner. 00:39:46
And I'm also a property owner. 00:39:48
Of several commercial buildings in downtown Pacific Grove. 00:39:51
Um, I'm here in support of the opposition of. 00:39:55
Allowing this permit. 00:40:00
I only found out about the. 00:40:02
Intended double use of this. 00:40:06
When I went to look at a building on Grand Ave. 00:40:09
And noticed a liquor license. 00:40:13
You're a Porta Potty. 00:40:16
I received this notice in the mail. 00:40:19
And it says to allow a pub with food service. 00:40:22
There's no mention here of. 00:40:26
Anything that says about a live music venue or a music school. 00:40:29
Or anything else? 00:40:33
So I'm attending this meeting because there is a lot of issues that are very unclear to me as somebody who is. 00:40:35
Going to be impacted by any change. 00:40:42
Of any permit on that building. 00:40:44
I'd like to also just briefly touch on some other things that have happened. 00:40:47
Umm. 00:40:52
With permit changes in our community that a lot of people. 00:40:53
Now are very unhappy about citing the 520 Lighthouse building. 00:40:57
Which had many permit changes over that development of that building. 00:41:02
And many people are very unhappy about that. 00:41:06
I hope that Michaela can get all of her paperwork together. It sounds like a very exciting venue. 00:41:09
But I also want to look forward to the future. 00:41:15
About the changes of land ownership or meals, might be interested in acquiring that type of permit and location. Thank you very 00:41:17
much. 00:41:21
Miss Giles, may I see your permit? 00:41:26
Notice. Thank you. 00:41:31
Next commenter, Thank you. 00:41:36
I spent three. I spent three hours last night writing this to 3 minutes. So my my new friend George will come and finish it when I 00:41:39
get my 2 minutes. State your name. OK Good morning. My name is Mark Hughes. I have lived in Pacific Grove for 57 of the 61 years. 00:41:46
That have eclipsed since my family moved here in 1962. 00:41:53
I'm a K through 12 product of Pacific Grove Unified School District and still speak with pride. 00:41:57
Of being a graduate of White House Elementary School. 00:42:02
And you're familiar with White House Elementary School? 00:42:05
I tell you this because I too can be considered a little old, bitty, and probably has lived here longer than many who consider 00:42:08
themselves pro grow vans. 00:42:12
And this biddy is in full support of the proposed popping his company in record shop, venue and bar. Why? 00:42:17
People have said that music is the language of love. I would argue that music is also the language of community. 00:42:23
Pacific Grove has a long history of our community embracing live music in an acoustic, acoustic setting. Does anyone really know 00:42:29
the itinerary at Lovers Point or the Kings Cross station at Forest Hill in the Forest Hill Shopping Center? 00:42:34
Back in the late 1970s and early 80s, when I was allowed in my 20s, there was a live music venue playing those, There's live music 00:42:40
playing. 00:42:44
And those rules? Most, if not every night of the week. And it was acoustic the chairman was demanding of a restaurant and touristy 00:42:47
spot. 00:42:50
Was great views, but I'm sure the city coffers appreciated the the revenue as much as I enjoyed listening to music performed by 00:42:53
one of PG's finest, the late Rex Wheeler. 00:42:58
Kings Cross station on the other hand was the locals Hangouts Preston PG Trillion providing the Cheers philosophy where everyone 00:43:03
was your friend. The live music was a major component my meeting some dear friends. 00:43:08
The venue in their hometown. 00:43:44
Where they can share their music in an acoustic concert setting the location for popping noises downtown. It will be an acoustic 00:43:46
venue so humans have no art engine argue regarding noise as spending worries of drunkenness I felt a welcoming sense of community 00:43:51
is getting would bring precludes any concern. 00:43:56
Just the once a week open like it's using Java illustrates my point. 00:44:01
Music brings the community together and our firm belief that Pacific Grove will truly benefit from having the poppiness as a 00:44:05
fixture in our hometown. Thank you, and thank you for letting me go a little bit longer. 00:44:10
Stuck on 21 seconds for like a long time. I I have to shave now. Thank you. Alright. 00:44:15
Next. 00:44:21
I'm Georgia Hamilton and I am also a homeowner in Pacific Grove. I live about two blocks from where this is going to be and I have 00:44:25
to say I support the application for this venue. I've known Michaela for a couple of years. I've I'm in the Arts Center where she 00:44:32
has her classes. 00:44:38
She's always been respectful of her fellow artists and everything I've never heard. 00:44:44
Loud crazy stuff coming from from her studios back there, so I know she's respectful of. 00:44:49
Her neighbors. 00:44:56
Additionally, I want to add that my daughter, when she was in high school, had the opportunity. 00:44:58
To play at a small venue much like Michaela's proposing. Here it was a bar and her music teacher arranged to have. 00:45:03
Their recipe? 00:45:14
Sorry, I'm as nervous as that young lady. 00:45:16
To have their recital at this venue and my daughter who would never practice or do anything. 00:45:19
She When they found out they were going to be doing this at this facility, it became a big deal and she practiced and met with her 00:45:25
group members. 00:45:30
Um, her teacher arranged for all the students to be playing. 00:45:34
Every song from Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon album. So it was incredible and I was able to enjoy beer while I'm watching my. 00:45:38
My daughter play and these kind of venues are important for the kids, they're important for the community. I can't see that this 00:45:47
is going to be some huge crowded thing, I think. 00:45:52
The permit is only like 80 people and this room is, according to the fire department, fits 100 people, so it's a smaller number of 00:45:57
people involved in this venue. 00:46:03
And as far as the kitchen, I know Dust Bowl Brewery has food trucks. It's very common in Portland as well to not have a kitchen on 00:46:09
the facility, but it sounds like she's working on on including that in her in her permit. I don't, I don't have that information, 00:46:14
but. 00:46:20
Food trucks have been very popular and very successful, so thank you. 00:46:27
TJ. 00:46:37
Answer. 00:46:37
Michael's. 00:46:38
Sir, please please speak into the microphone so those who are online computer. 00:46:42
Sister and I'm the Kaylan's dad. 00:46:48
She talked me into moving her from Dallas, TX. I just got here about two months ago. 00:46:51
Umm. 00:46:57
Just my background, I was the music director for Glen Campbell for 35 years, so. 00:46:58
I'm a keyboard player and a music director. 00:47:03
So I'm hoping I can get a gig from Michael's. 00:47:06
You know, I was thinking. 00:47:11
I was playing in Dallas. 00:47:13
At a little jazz club for. 00:47:16
I think 6 years. 00:47:19
And the night that I would play there was a bass player that it would teach all these very talented. 00:47:21
High school kids and they got a chance to come into these venues. 00:47:27
And learn their craft, and I can't tell you how important it is now alcohol is sold there. 00:47:32
It wasn't a real late night venue and it was it was upstairs from a bowling alley. It's it's one of these landmark places. 00:47:38
But. 00:47:45
It was so you couldn't really like hear the music. You could hear like there's music up there and it was wonderful jazz music. So 00:47:46
when these kids would get up. 00:47:50
They got to play with the pros. They got to learn how to be a musician. 00:47:55
They were responsible, the place was responsible and I think that would be a wonderful thing to have. 00:48:00
Plus, you're going to be selling the records from McAllen. I used to listen to records go to record stores and. 00:48:06
Was one. It was a lot of fun to share music exactly, so I hope she gets it. 00:48:12
Please come closer to the mic so we can get through the public comment. Thank you. Unfortunately the mic is distorting out here in 00:48:22
the room so it's difficult for people to understand the wording. 00:48:27
My name is Kyle Kovalik. I am also a product of Pacific Grove in fact. 00:48:32
Mr. Hughes and I grew up together and I went to Lighthouse School. Graduated from Pacific Grove in 1975. 00:48:36
I am a professional musician. 00:48:41
I'm not here to beg for a gig, although I would love to have a gig with Mr. Ginster anytime. 00:48:42
Uh. 00:48:48
And this will sound like bragging. That's not the point. Last year I did 180 gigs. 00:48:49
In the Monterey area. 00:48:55
I was written up in Carmel Magazine as the busiest guitar player in Monterey County. 00:48:56
And I played exactly 0 gigs in Pacific Grove. 00:49:00
When I graduated from high school in 1975, my focus was on being a musician. 00:49:04
I couldn't wait to get out of town. 00:49:08
Why? Because there was no. 00:49:10
Feeling for me that I had a future here in this town and I didn't really honestly feel like I had a lot of support as someone 00:49:13
trying to make a living as a musician. 00:49:17
Michaela to do this to me. I I so wish that this had been here when I was a child. I moved back as an adult after essentially 00:49:22
retiring. 00:49:26
Being in music industry for many years. 00:49:30
And other industries, but. 00:49:32
And and I've been able to. 00:49:34
Follow my passion and do this. 00:49:36
But again. 00:49:38
I'm not a kid anymore. 00:49:40
So I've already got my path going and I'm happy for that, but for the children that live in this community. 00:49:42
And there's so, so many. There's so fewer children there here than than when I was growing up. 00:49:49
They just have nothing and to have this would be such a blessing for them. 00:49:54
And that's all I have to say. Thank you. 00:49:58
Good morning. 00:50:06
My name is Charles Walton. 00:50:07
My family has been here for four generations. 00:50:09
I'm a music aficionado. 00:50:13
I love nothing better than going to see a small show in a small venue in a small town. 00:50:15
I've been in every town, Crescent City to San Diego, all the little ones is what we like to do and one of the things I've seen. 00:50:22
Is this kind of? 00:50:32
Applicant or this project? 00:50:35
Has improved. 00:50:38
The economic. 00:50:41
Situation in these small towns and have been a revitalization. 00:50:43
Of these small towns, and I think it would be a big advantage because of its. 00:50:49
Umm. 00:50:57
Working with the children, selling music. 00:50:59
Having a small venue for this type of entertainment and I I think it's appropriate for our town. It's been long in need. 00:51:02
And I think it would be a real economic boost. 00:51:10
Thank you very much. 00:51:14
Hi. 00:51:22
And farewell Eton. 00:51:23
That is my dad. 00:51:25
I'm very proud of growing up here. 00:51:27
In Pacific Grove and in Monterey as well. 00:51:30
My great grandmother was a science teacher at Monterey High. 00:51:33
And it's. 00:51:37
Been a very long as anyone knows uh lots of ups and downs for the area. 00:51:39
Especially with you know the. 00:51:46
The changing of Canary row, introducing the big companies and everything. 00:51:48
Um, I moved back. 00:51:53
Here and with my with the help of my dad, my concert buddy. 00:51:55
I've been to all those clubs and venues and everything with him. 00:51:59
I also have had the privilege of working with some of the. 00:52:04
Most. 00:52:09
Intelligent and hard working and diligent. 00:52:11
And the best integrity of people through wild fish. 00:52:14
Also with Michaela, I have worked with her personally in a food hospitality setting and I can tell you anything. 00:52:19
Has only improved. 00:52:28
Where there is a hole in something that is not done properly, done procedurally perfect. 00:52:30
It will be fixed and it will be done happily. There will always be if somebody's birthday, there will be a little birthday cake 00:52:36
doodle on the bottom of their receipt. 00:52:39
All of the wine will be counted. Everything will be taken, accounted for. 00:52:44
If there is any issue with? 00:52:48
Something that somebody is caught. 00:52:50
Obviously, she would be gladly to take care of it to make sure something like this thrives. 00:52:52
As a kid who also had problems with public speaking as I'm shaking here now. 00:52:57
Eight. I cannot tell you how valuable. 00:53:02
This is. 00:53:05
For a community, and even in the future, there's going to be a line of people just like they were here to want to take care of 00:53:06
that place. It'll be an institution for Pacific Grove. 00:53:11
But thank you. 00:53:17
Good morning. 00:53:26
My name is Mark Lavin and I'm really here to speak on behalf of my daughter Catherine Lavin, who is. 00:53:28
15 year old musician who's been playing in Pacific Grove at various venues over. 00:53:36
Well, since she was probably 7 or 8 years old. 00:53:41
Umm. 00:53:45
My wife and I are are huge. 00:53:47
Music fans and we we we go to a lot of shows and and I I've actually lived in Pacific Grove for over 27 years and I remember when 00:53:50
I first. 00:53:53
Came to Pacific Grove. How challenging and how disappointing it was to find a place to listen to live music. 00:53:58
That's really started to change. 00:54:05
Very slowly, but it has changed and it has started to get better. 00:54:08
My daughter Catherine, His life has been transformed by being able to play live music in front of her peers and in front of other 00:54:12
people. 00:54:15
And it's been one of the greatest joys of our life to watch her development as a musician, and we have a family band that gets to 00:54:19
participate with that as well. 00:54:23
So when I found out about Michaela's project, I couldn't. I couldn't jump on board any faster than than than I did. I think it's 00:54:28
an amazing. 00:54:32
Proposal. 00:54:38
Uh. 00:54:40
Aside from the minutia that is involved with the planning of the project, which I'm sure will get worked out because this is 00:54:41
clearly something that. 00:54:44
Is needed in town and and. 00:54:49
And Michaela and her team have already done their due diligence to try and and and make the plan as feasible as in accordance with 00:54:52
all the laws and regulations. 00:54:56
And I really look forward to this going through. I think it it needs to happen and I feel like it will. 00:55:01
And I look forward to supporting it in any way we can and. 00:55:07
It's a great thing. Thank you. 00:55:12
There's. 00:55:24
Well, I'm a retired librarian. I've lived in Pacific Grove for about 20-6 years and. 00:55:25
In addition to having been a librarian, I live in an apartment building with very thin walls and so I appreciate quiet when I can 00:55:31
get it. But. 00:55:34
I also appreciate live music and. 00:55:39
I've recently became one of the freelance music writers for the Monterey. 00:55:42
County Weekly. 00:55:46
And umm. 00:55:48
I just wanna say that. 00:55:49
Generally when I wanna go here, live music around here, I find myself going to Seaside, going to Monterey, going to. 00:55:52
To Carmel, which has an improving music scene, but I rarely. 00:55:59
Stay on Pacific growth for live music because except on. 00:56:03
On the 1st Friday, there really isn't much going on here music wise. 00:56:08
So I just want to say that I approve. 00:56:12
I I hope you'll approve this this application. Thank you. 00:56:16
Hi, my name is Bronwyn Van Yolen. I am a musician as well as a bartender, but I want to speak on behalf of. 00:56:26
The point that the opponent made. 00:56:33
About the 75% of. 00:56:36
Sales coming from alcohol first point and that is alcohol has a very large. 00:56:38
We we mark it up a lot. So that's. 00:56:44
One of the reasons why the sales of alcohol seems to be out. 00:56:48
Numbering the sales of food. 00:56:52
The other point I want to make is that all of us bartenders here in California are. 00:56:54
Responsible for taking a course in RBS, which is responsible beverage service, we learn. 00:57:00
The effects of alcohol on the body. We have to study, you know, the consequences of drinking alcohol and the prevention of illegal 00:57:08
sales. 00:57:12
In restaurants and bars. 00:57:17
We also allowed the Assembly bill that was passed I think in 2021 for the RBS program created. 00:57:22
It was created with the intention of reducing alcohol related harm to the local communities so. 00:57:30
The only reason I bring this up is because she did mention. 00:57:35
She didn't mention her issues with the with the ABC. 00:57:39
Permit and whatnot. So I just wanted to, yeah, reiterate that we are very well trained in what we do as bartenders and. 00:57:43
We do our best to keep. 00:57:51
The community safe. 00:57:53
Good morning. 00:58:12
Good morning to you, the staff Council. 00:58:14
City of Pacific Grove and all who came here today from Michaelis. 00:58:17
Uh. 00:58:21
I started in 1968. 00:58:24
And. 00:58:27
That year. 00:58:30
A friend of mine said. Would you like to? 00:58:31
Going to theater. 00:58:34
And I said sure. And he said, would you like to do some lighting? I said sure. 00:58:36
And the first concert I did was. 00:58:41
They came into town for their first paid concert and there was a. 00:58:44
Uh. 00:58:49
Simon and Garfunkel. 00:58:50
In 1967. 00:58:52
And after them, a week later, was Youngbloods. 00:58:54
And now that college has a different name. All my schools have different names now. 00:58:58
Seems that's the way it goes. 00:59:04
But I turned down the music in a town that was very dry with music. 00:59:05
Auburn, NY and why? I think it was because it was the 1st President that electrocuted somebody. 00:59:10
And I used to walk to school past the. 00:59:17
A 400 yard. 00:59:20
Prison wall. That's how I went to high school. 00:59:21
So the town needed music. 00:59:24
And so that's why I left. 00:59:26
And I came here finally and. 00:59:28
After experiencing in music. 00:59:32
I saw how dry it was. 00:59:35
But Pacific Globe gave me a chance. 00:59:37
There are venues here. 00:59:40
Not enough? 00:59:43
And that's why we're here. 00:59:45
And I support all of you. I'm so proud of all of you. 00:59:48
Who stand up for? 00:59:51
Leisure that is benefiting the community. 00:59:53
Some place to go. 00:59:57
To relax. 00:59:58
To enjoy. And it's not just the venue. 00:59:59
It's the people there. 01:00:02
That you also communicate with. 01:00:04
It's a social structure. 01:00:06
Even since time began, there were troubadours going from town to town to tell stories. 01:00:08
I'm one of those troubadours. 01:00:13
I wrote a song called. 01:00:16
Organ grinder about The organ grinder no longer plays under. OK, I'm sorry. Thank you. Could you please state your name for the 01:00:18
record? 01:00:21
Ohh. 01:00:25
Lexus Christina. 01:00:26
Thank you. 01:00:27
Morning. 01:00:39
Staff members, thank you for giving everybody this chance. It's wonderful to see everybody turn out in support of a new business 01:00:41
in Pacific Grove. My name is Mike Gibbs. I'm a member of the Economic Development Commission here. 01:00:47
And I'm speaking as myself. Love music. My wife is a musician. 01:00:55
She performed on national stages before. 01:01:00
Can't Sing, but I can certainly appreciate music. Wild fish here in town. 01:01:03
Is one of the places that has music and. 01:01:08
It'll 5 into downtown. I'd like to see more of it. 01:01:11
Close Lighthouse and have a battle of the bands. 01:01:14
I think it's extremely unfortunate. 01:01:16
That. 01:01:18
We happen to be here, right? We have a legitimate application that I think was very poorly. 01:01:20
Handled very poorly. Communicated. I also walked. 01:01:25
Like Miss Giles around the site. 01:01:29
Was sort of surprised to learn that there were actually. 01:01:31
Two permits or two requests, not one. 01:01:34
And and the opposition. 01:01:38
Or the Other Side by Miss Dahmer and Miss Chiles. 01:01:41
Umm. 01:01:45
Is necessary and required to help all of us who start new businesses here. 01:01:46
To have a. 01:01:51
Swift and efficient process. 01:01:52
That is clear and open for everybody. 01:01:55
When they? 01:01:58
I started a new business. 01:02:00
If the business was there, I would go. 01:02:01
I would be part of that for it. 01:02:04
But I think how this was handled. 01:02:07
IS is not, is not in the best interest of economic development. 01:02:09
In Pacific Grove, we're not criticizing anybody in particular. 01:02:14
And I would just, I would just say the people who who called out. 01:02:17
Miss Dalmer, I think it's a very unfortunate thing. 01:02:21
She was simply making a procedural request. 01:02:24
Where this she lives close to it or not doesn't really matter. 01:02:26
She's a citizen and has a right to her. She call it very legitimate issues. So thank you very much and I appreciate everybody 01:02:30
coming. Thank you. 01:02:34
Hello, my name is Austin Clark and I am a professional music educator. I'm also a professional musician and I live in Pacific 01:02:45
Grove and I'm also one of the few people I think. 01:02:49
Of the younger generation near Pacific Grove and I just want to make a note really quick that this meeting is difficult for people 01:02:54
my age to attend because it is on a Monday morning. 01:02:59
And we have to work. 01:03:03
And my music education colleagues obviously have to work. It's the first kind of things at school. So it is a challenge to have 01:03:04
our voice represented. Episode growth, I think a venue like this is super important and music educator, as someone who's 01:03:09
performed, I relied on businesses and small. 01:03:14
Bars and restaurants growing up to host a music venue for me. 01:03:19
And without those experiences, I would have been at home practicing by myself. 01:03:24
Not being able to have that valuable feedback and valuable contributions to our community that I've been able to make and and sort 01:03:27
of. 01:03:30
Build upon all experience. So it's really important for music that used to exist in our in our culture and exist in Pacific Grove. 01:03:34
I do not have a car. I live in Pacific Grove and unfortunately a lot of the music venues are in Monterey or in Seaside and you're 01:03:42
getting Ubers is like taxing. And also I have my own musician my my instruments. 01:03:48
So being able to lug those around, it gets really complicated and we have to find a venue to play, so having something closer to 01:03:54
home. 01:03:57
Is super important to develop the talent. It's already here. 01:04:01
So you can hear more of it. You're excellent quality talent. 01:04:04
Not from professionals like myself, but from our young people, from our. 01:04:06
You know the the little girl was here just a few minutes ago, all the way up to people who. 01:04:11
Have been playing for a long time. It's really important that we have places for people to attend. 01:04:15
So thank you so much. Appreciate your time. 01:04:20
Hi, good morning. My name is Liz Jacobs. 01:04:36
I'm a resident in Pacific Grove and do a couple of other things too. One of them is that we had a. 01:04:39
I'm on the board of the newly formed Arts District in Pacific Grove. 01:04:47
And we had a community meeting in March just to see if. 01:04:51
There was a need for an arts district and to find out what people would like in Pacific Grove. Around 80 people attended that 01:04:56
meeting. 01:05:00
And we. 01:05:05
Elicited feedback in different ways and small groups in written messages to, you know, a lot of different platforms we used. 01:05:08
Number one, people wanted to have public art in town and #2 was they wanted to have venues for performing. Especially the 01:05:15
musicians did. 01:05:21
And umm. 01:05:28
Not long after that, Michaela proposed this project and it seemed like absolute serendipity and I was absolutely thrilled to hear 01:05:30
about it. I know Michaela personally as well. And and. 01:05:37
Find her a person of very high integrity and amazing creativity. 01:05:45
I know that she has instructed a lot of young people in town and inspired them. 01:05:49
And we I one of the other hats say, Where is that I'm a? 01:05:56
Business owner My husband and I have Wild Fish restaurant on Lighthouse. 01:06:00
And we have jazz every Friday and Saturday night. 01:06:05
Last Saturday I just wanted to say a family came along. 01:06:10
And. 01:06:14
They they live locally and they're 14 year old, got up and played the keyboard. 01:06:15
Our 87 year old bandleader led him. 01:06:23
He stepped aside and let the young fellow come and play. 01:06:26
And umm. 01:06:30
It was absolutely lovely and then his 18 year old Big Brother came and played guitar. 01:06:32
It was extremely inspiring and that is the end of my time. I just want to say young people need positive things to do. 01:06:38
Thank you. 01:06:45
Thank you. 01:06:47
Are are there any more public comments? 01:06:48
In the chambers. 01:06:50
OK, let's move on. 01:06:53
Line please. OK, Daniel Miller. 01:06:56
Hi, I'm probably coming from a different place than just about anybody else here tonight. I had a nightclub in Salinas, music 01:07:04
venue that I spent two years getting okayed. 01:07:09
Went through process like you wouldn't imagine. 01:07:15
And now I'm looking at a place. I have 53 conditions on that. 01:07:18
And I look at what the City of Pacific Grove has done on this, and I'm not against this. 01:07:22
Have promoted concerts for 37 years. Lived in Pacific Grove for 68 years. 01:07:29
And probably know more about ABC laws than anybody that's currently in the chambers. 01:07:34
And. 01:07:39
I'm confused. 01:07:41
There is nothing that shows us what the layout of this building is. There's no map showing us where the record shop is, where the 01:07:43
restaurant is. 01:07:47
The original posting and I imagine as same posting this kind of hidden behind the portable toilet there at the on the Grand Ave. 01:07:52
Is for a music venue. That means this place cannot be serving food. 01:08:00
And can only have. 01:08:07
Alcohol service 2 hours before and an hour after a performance at which there always has to be a cover charge. 01:08:08
That's not what's being talked about here. Now all of a sudden, we're at something that would actually. 01:08:17
Necessitate a type 47 license, which costs about $140,000 more than a music venue license. So we have to get some kind of 01:08:23
information here that explains all of this and this Dahmer Rose raise some of these questions and they haven't been addressed. 01:08:31
They need to be addressed. They inconsistency and application. 01:08:39
And the ABC license and what's going on here And again, why we have not seen a floor plan of exactly what's here and if the food 01:08:48
service is a food truck, doesn't match 47, doesn't match music venue or anything else. 01:08:55
I have missed. 01:09:10
Curry. 01:09:11
Yes, thank you for the opportunity to speak. I hold a unique position because I am a frequent visitor to Pacific Grove and will be 01:09:16
a future resident in the area and I welcome Michael's. 01:09:23
Application for Pop and his I think that it is a venue that will draw visitors to your area and help to maintain the downtown 01:09:31
environment. I myself am also planning a business. 01:09:37
In the area in the future when I relocate to that area. 01:09:43
I would specifically like to speak to the opposition to this proposal and I would say instead of obstructing this process or 01:09:47
criticizing. 01:09:51
The process, you know, people are saying that they they want to, you know, they're criticizing how Michael's application was put 01:09:56
together or how what it reflects. 01:10:01
And I would think that you would. 01:10:06
Maybe want to advise. 01:10:08
Her on. 01:10:09
How to ensure that this business goes through if there's so many concerns about that? 01:10:11
I was saddened to see. 01:10:15
A fellow business owner criticizing. 01:10:17
This process and I was very sad and to see Miss Dahmer's. 01:10:21
You know opposition as well. If there is a concern about the procedural request, then let's make it about that and not make it 01:10:27
about the venue because as many people before me have said, this venue is going to bring jazz and. 01:10:34
Classical and pop and R&B hopefully and young people and create a lot of exposure for Pacific Grove to keep the dollars in your 01:10:41
community as opposed to the dollars going out of your community. 01:10:47
And that's, that's what I'm excited about for this, for this venue. So I would hope that instead of. 01:10:53
Umm. 01:11:02
Holding Michaela's idea. 01:11:03
Umm. 01:11:06
Itself to the fire that maybe the people with so-called experience would actually help her to be successful as opposed to. 01:11:07
You know, beating this down. 01:11:14
So thank you. 01:11:16
And. 01:11:17
Sorry. 01:11:20
That's OK. I just want to say the toilet, you know, obviously is the bad guy in the situation. 01:11:23
Hey, Miss Sanders. 01:11:33
Hello, my name is Gabriel Sanders. I'm a resident of the peninsula and I used to live in Pacific Grove when I was a student here, 01:11:39
I can say. 01:11:42
Well, hardly. If there was a music venue when I was a resident, I would have frequented it. I think all of the arguments around 01:11:47
the alcohol license have been pretty well articulated. 01:11:51
And I just want to say, you know. 01:11:56
Conversely, if you're familiar with the Streisand Effect, when you call attention to something like this, in opposition of it, 01:12:00
you're actually bringing all this positive attention to the venue. So in that way, I'm actually grateful to Miss Dahmer. 01:12:05
For bringing the community together to support. 01:12:12
Michaela's Venue. This is a tremendous opportunity for everybody to learn more about procedure, for better or for worse. 01:12:15
And I think it's also a wonderful opportunity for us to learn just how important. 01:12:22
This cultural institution will be and. 01:12:27
Putting on my other hat, I am a I'm the director of Housing Community Development for the Monterey Bay Economic Partnership, and 01:12:31
this venue represents. 01:12:36
Something that we would wholeheartedly support. 01:12:41
It will provide not only community development in all the ways that a lot of these commenters have articulated very eloquently 01:12:43
and. 01:12:47
Umm. 01:12:51
It'll also bring economic workforce to to a small part of PG that is clearly suffering with all of those. 01:12:52
Close to up shops, so. 01:12:59
From the perspective of a resident, from the perspective of a public policy professional, I'm really happy to see that this is 01:13:02
going to go through, really happy to see all the support from the community. 01:13:07
And I'm sure that any administrative issues can be resolved. 01:13:12
Without much incident, so thank you to all the city staff working on it. 01:13:17
And thank you to Miss Dummer for bringing so much positive attention to this venue. And thank you everybody else who showed up. 01:13:22
And thank you Michaela for proposing it. 01:13:28
Thank you. 01:13:33
I see no other hands raised. 01:13:39
Thank you. 01:13:44
Ohh sorry. 01:13:45
Mr. Bradley just raised his hand. 01:13:47
Hmm. 01:13:49
Good morning, everybody. 01:13:56
I'm Jason Bradley. I'm the owner of Bradley Prince Services and Photographic Center. 01:13:58
Excuse me, I'm also on. 01:14:03
On the Board of directors for the newly forming Arts district, Pacific Grove as Liz, as Liz as well, who just spoke to you guys so 01:14:05
I can attest to. 01:14:10
What she was talking about in terms of the the big turnout that we've had for the public interest and and having venues like this 01:14:15
come. 01:14:19
Excuse me, come to PG. 01:14:24
But I would like to start by admitting that I can't speak well to the intricacies of red tape and bureaucratic procedure regarding 01:14:26
permits, But I know that. 01:14:30
I know that they can be worked through if people care, and maybe those bringing this up have a point that procedure matters, but 01:14:34
procedure is. 01:14:39
Is beside the point whether or not our community should get behind this intended business and an intended business that is trying 01:14:43
to fill a spot. 01:14:48
That's been vacant for a year. 01:14:53
And that matters a lot. It matters because this is one of the many storefronts that are currently vacant, and having a handful of 01:14:56
vacant buildings does not paint the picture of a vibrant business community. And that does need to change. 01:15:03
But here is what matters most to me as a local business owner. Pacific Grove needs more art. 01:15:10
It's in the growth needs more fun, and Pacific growth needs more fun. That's family friendly. 01:15:17
Sadly, there isn't much of in this town that is family friendly. 01:15:23
Civic Grove needs businesses that add lively, energetic vibe that will bring people into this community like wild fish and the 01:15:28
music they play there and like what Michaela is hoping to build. 01:15:33
I ask that this use permit be approved if there is a will to do so. Bureaucratic red tape can be worked through. 01:15:38
We can be business friendly more than bureaucratic obstructionists. Let's help Michaela create something successful here in PG. 01:15:46
Thank you. 01:15:53
Thank you. And I now have Marie Adams. 01:15:56
Thank you. 01:16:10
I am very heartened to see the support for this project that will include our youth into the life and fabric of our downtown. 01:16:11
I note with great interest the complainants comment that her complaint is quote shedding light on the machinations of the City 01:16:20
Planning Department. UN quote the complainant by the way, who inserts the fact that her low income senior status in almost every 01:16:26
one of her many public comments. 01:16:31
Note the fee for this hearing is nearly $1200. Most intriguing. 01:16:38
It seems to me that light is being shed on the machinations of those. Wendy, excuse me, who would obstruct? 01:16:44
Economic development and are clearly struggling downtown. I hope to see this project approved. Thank you very much. 01:16:54
Thank you. 01:17:03
I've missed Dahmer. 01:17:07
Is this my time for rebuttal? I was waiting for that, of course. 01:17:14
Miss Summer, I would. You will have rebuttal time as soon as we're finished with public comment. 01:17:18
Wait, can you please let her? 01:17:26
Sorry Miss Summer we're going to, I I wanted to hear the end of your comment there. 01:17:29
Miss Dahmer. 01:17:37
Ohh, I only had my hand raised just for when the rebuttal is. I was not planning, you know, I understand that procedure. Thank you 01:17:39
very much. Just let me know. Thank you. 01:17:45
Thank you. I will notify you when it's time for rebuttal. 01:17:50
Thank you. 01:17:54
I see no other hands raised for public comment. 01:17:58
OK. Thank you. Miss Dahmer, it sounds like you're ready for rebuttal, so I will let you go first on the rebuttal. 01:18:02
Thank you. That's fine. 01:18:10
So interesting that people. I mean, I I am not against the venue. I am. I've been a musician myself, too. I have a lovely Haynes 01:18:14
flute. I've had lessons all my life. And yes, I'm a senior citizen now. I've gone to rock concerts starting from the 60 sevens. I 01:18:21
mean, my goodness, Rolling Stones when Tina Turner opened for them. Janis Joplin, Jimi Hendrix. I mean, I've had a wonderful music 01:18:28
the last. 01:18:36
I'd go support with the Golden State Theater too. I love those. And Kings Cross Station was one of the most wonderful venues here 01:18:43
in Pacific Grove. It had a full service restaurant that when the restaurant finished their dinner service, then we'd have the 01:18:49
wonderful. 01:18:54
Groups that came. I remember one in particular. It was called Oso. 01:19:00
Anyway. 01:19:06
Yes, I think that Pacific Grove probably needs. 01:19:07
A downtown venue of this. 01:19:12
And as I stated in the beginning, I am not. 01:19:14
Talking about noise. 01:19:18
Music, a music store, anything. I'm talking about being consistent. Any any business that wants to thrive needs to have a clear 01:19:20
process. 01:19:25
To get there. 01:19:31
From our planners and from our municipal code. 01:19:33
Because we can't have illegal businesses. And yes, please work out what the codes should be. 01:19:37
The correct AUP for the nomenclature for the correct license, whatever it's going to be for the ABC, because in the AUP it says 01:19:45
they must apply an ABC license. 01:19:52
That has a is a bona fide eating place license OK. 01:20:00
I want you to work all these things out. Unfortunately the only way to do that and have a public hearing. 01:20:07
Is to appeal it. 01:20:14
So that is why we are here today. I love the fact that the town really wants it, but it can't be at the expense of our municipal 01:20:16
code, our laws that govern us. 01:20:22
Like we do not have a standalone bar. We do not allow certain things. We don't have a nightclub we don't have. If you want to 01:20:28
change it, you're all citizens. 01:20:33
Start a process to change it. 01:20:40
But what's on the books is on the books, so things must conform within that. 01:20:43
Process. 01:20:48
And if it takes a public hearing to bring it out? 01:20:49
That's wonderful. 01:20:52
So This is why we're here today. 01:20:54
And I thank you for your time. 01:20:57
Thank you. 01:21:01
Michaela, if you would like to provide rebuttal, you have 3. 01:21:02
And a half minutes. I believe that Miss Dahmer received a little more than 3 minutes, so we'll provide you the same amount of time 01:21:06
if you'd like to come up. 01:21:10
So. 01:21:20
Well. 01:21:21
The ABC license that I applied for there is actually drawings I want to I heard that point from the Mr. Sir. That said there 01:21:23
weren't any layout drawings. There are actually and in fact in Ingas letter that she. 01:21:31
Provided to them in the packet that you guys could see there are major things there showing exactly what the layouts will be and 01:21:38
and all the businesses around and what's going on inside where the bathrooms are where everything. The point that was made that 01:21:45
said on those particular drawings there wasn't a kitchen drawn in the in the venue. Well that's because the ABC license didn't 01:21:51
when I applied for it did not require me to show that so. 01:21:57
I didn't draw it as I was drawn a bunch of other stuff. 01:22:04
But there is, you know I'm compliant in the code. As per the city there will be food. 01:22:08
Um, I'm going to operate within the hours and I'm going to just reiterate that I'm just I'm following the code as it is written. 01:22:14
There is a little bit weirdness only because there isn't something like this listed as a. 01:22:22
Use prior. 01:22:27
You know, I'm kind of trying to. 01:22:29
Find my little spot there. But I'm going. I'm doing everything that the city has advised me to do as far as. 01:22:31
How to work within that and and I'm I again I checked all those boxes. 01:22:36
Those two, you know, the city is one thing and the ABC is a different thing. And they both require different, different things on 01:22:42
their own. They've got their own jams. Either way, I'm doing both. 01:22:46
I'm covering those bases. 01:22:51
Umm. 01:22:54
I don't know what else. 01:22:55
Umm. 01:22:57
I guess that's what else was people mad about, just the permit stuff. I mean, it's just hard to write music venue when there 01:22:59
hasn't ever been a music venue as far as I can. 01:23:04
Find and you know. 01:23:10
Nothing in the rulebook says a dog can't play football. I don't know. Sorry. Air Bud. Joke anybody? No. 01:23:11
I don't know. 01:23:19
So I I I just wanted to say I'm I'm, I'm following all the rules that were that are in place currently. 01:23:20
To do to make this happen and I'm happy to talk to anybody about anything and. 01:23:27
Show my drawings and you know like they're they're they're there in the packet actually on the ABC license. Those are different 01:23:32
from the ones that are in the city because they're those are more like super technical, you know with all the electrical outlets 01:23:37
and all that stuff. So that's where you can see some kitchen components, but. 01:23:42
For the ABC, they just needed to see like what the building was going to lay out, like so. Anyway, you can see those drawings in 01:23:48
the packet, but. 01:23:52
I don't know. 01:23:56
I'm just spiraling out. OK. I'll no. Thank you. Bye. 01:23:57
Hey. 01:24:03
Miss O'halloran, I have a couple of questions for staff. 01:24:04
I'd like to start with. 01:24:07
Miss O'halloran, I did notice that there was a discrepancy between the. 01:24:12
Noticing that calls this a pub and the. 01:24:18
Administrative use permit that was posted on site. 01:24:24
Does call this. 01:24:28
Restaurant. 01:24:30
And umm. 01:24:31
Is there any, do you have any comment on that? 01:24:34
The applicant has confirmed that it will be a pub, not a restaurant. Originally the. 01:24:37
As. 01:24:43
An application had called it a restaurant. 01:24:44
But it's been confirmed that it will be a pub. 01:24:47
So. 01:24:50
The administrative use permit. 01:24:51
On. 01:24:53
The last condition can. 01:24:55
Be corrected to pub instead of restaurant and it can be re noticed. 01:24:57
OK. 01:25:04
And when I look at. 01:25:05
The city code it could meet and I do understand that there has been some. 01:25:07
It is difficult when. 01:25:14
As. 01:25:17
Michaela had said that this is a use, that she's trying to fit a lot of different uses in one. 01:25:18
Ox and I do understand that maybe the the city is trying to. 01:25:25
Find what is the appropriate use. I think we all know even jobs today. 01:25:30
We some of the job descriptions of today don't even meet. 01:25:36
What our degrees are and we have to kind of live with an ever changing world where we we have a A use that. 01:25:39
I think it was trying to fit all these boxes. You want to have some, retail you want to have some. 01:25:48
Mute live music. You want, a place for children to perform, you want, and adults who seem to want to do all these exciting things. 01:25:54
And how do we fit this into our? 01:26:03
Sometimes outdated municipal code. 01:26:06
So. 01:26:08
It does sound like this could be either a pub brew pub. 01:26:09
Or a restaurant. I just want to go ahead and. 01:26:15
And state a little bit about restaurants and specialty restaurants, they both fall. 01:26:18
Under 23 point 64.29 O under alcoholic beverage sales. 01:26:23
We did speak with our City attorney today and our City attorney confirmed that we as the city today are not. 01:26:29
We are not approving the this. 01:26:36
ABC license. We are here today about the zoning of this project. We do not have the authority to enforce state and or county 01:26:39
licenses, only to make sure that we have them and that they are part of the project. 01:26:46
Uh. 01:26:54
And we also are here with our building official, Mr. Keel, I'm. 01:26:55
I I believe that you reviewed the conditions of approval on this permit and part of the conditions of approval on this permit 01:27:00
state that it would be a bona fide eating place. Could you please confirm how you will ensure that that happens? 01:27:08
Sure. This is John Keel. I am the building official. 01:27:18
One challenge that we have is the the zoning code has a certain set of definitions which. 01:27:22
Don't always match up with the building code. 01:27:29
When this application when when this applicant came to us? 01:27:32
We we did review. 01:27:36
What would be required? 01:27:38
If and when it did become. 01:27:41
An application to the building department, which would be a kitchen. 01:27:43
And the elements of the kitchen. 01:27:48
Would be reviewed. 01:27:50
As part of the building permit application, so. 01:27:52
Umm. 01:27:55
Bona fide kitchen is not a definition in the building code. It is a kitchen. So. 01:27:56
We we also coordinate with the Monterey County Environmental Health. 01:28:02
Division which? 01:28:07
The applicant will be required to get a health permit. 01:28:09
And so they will be required to meet both the. 01:28:13
The requirements The building code for the building permit. 01:28:16
Which one of those, that condition will be to get a health permit and they'll meet those conditions. So they're. 01:28:20
Will be a kitchen. 01:28:27
And Mr. Killer, you'll be sure to make. 01:28:30
Make sure that this condition of approval. 01:28:32
Is. 01:28:34
Happens. 01:28:36
Of course, the action that we we always do when there is a. 01:28:39
Conditional use permit that is associated with the building permit. 01:28:43
Prior to issuance. 01:28:47
Staff will verify that all the conditions as set forth. 01:28:49
In the conditional use permit or any type of use permit. 01:28:54
Are incorporated into the building set. So when we issue a plan. 01:28:58
One of the things that we do is we ask for the conditions of approval to be printed on the plan. 01:29:03
So they become a part of the building permit. 01:29:10
Thank you, Mr. Keel. 01:29:13
So in my review of all of the information on the application. 01:29:16
And the use permit. 01:29:23
My review of the use permit shows that. 01:29:25
This administrative use permit was for the poppin hiss. 01:29:29
Restaurant. I do see in the code that it could be either a restaurant or a pub looking at both of the. 01:29:33
The requirements. They both have the same requirements. 01:29:41
In the 23 point 64.290 requirement. 01:29:45
D. 01:29:51
Uh. 01:29:52
Has any alcoholic beverage sales shall be subordinate to the primary use and this was part of the I know part of the issue of 01:29:53
Michaela's been having is that she must serve food in order to have alcohol there, and that is why the kitchen is a necessity. 01:30:01
Amplified music. 01:30:09
And entertainment are allowed indoors and shall not exceed noise and excess of 70 decibels between 10:00 and 7:00 AM. 01:30:11
And entertainment is allowed outdoors between the hours of seven and 10:00 PM. 01:30:21
So. 01:30:27
Their outdoor seating is also allowed under the restaurant. 01:30:28
And specialty restaurant requirements, both. 01:30:33
Both restaurants and pubs are under. 01:30:36
This code section. 01:30:39
And for a pub it is very similar where alcoholic beverage and food service shall be discontinued. So it does allow for a little A 01:30:41
pub allows for more time of service there. 01:30:47
And or discontinuing it's it's very similar to. 01:30:55
What is required under a restaurant? 01:30:59
So I think. 01:31:02
Looking at this maybe we can talk to you Michaela a little bit more and clarify and make sure what your. 01:31:04
Meeting and it sounds like you've spoken with our. 01:31:11
Building official in the planner and if anything needs to be, we can repost the administrative use permit. 01:31:15
I believe and you can I I'm. 01:31:23
To me it looks like you could fall under either one of those with what you're proposing. 01:31:26
And we would just leave this. 01:31:31
Leave it to Robbie posting renouncing. 01:31:34
Uh, clarifying just that restaurant. 01:31:38
Or pub. 01:31:41
And that should address the concerns of. 01:31:42
That I heard here today we. 01:31:46
Also. 01:31:51
Looking at the permit, I don't believe anything on the permit needs to change, besides whether to clarify if it's a restaurant or 01:31:52
a pub and the accompanying noticing shall match that. 01:31:58
It does look like all of the findings and the facts on the permit that were posted. 01:32:06
Detail that the sale of alcohol is allowed in the commercial district and the CD district. 01:32:13
And that is. 01:32:21
Consistent with. 01:32:23
Allowing any administrative use permit. 01:32:25
And this should conform to the provisions of the general plan and the commercial district downtown commercial district. I just 01:32:28
want to clarify that this district provides for a range of uses including retail, restaurant, services, entertainment. 01:32:37
Upper floor residential and other compatible uses. 01:32:46
So this project is consistent with our zoning code and. 01:32:50
And our general plan? 01:32:55
So the only thing that seems to be needing any clarification, I don't see any changes in the conditions of approval that need to 01:32:57
happen. 01:33:02
They all seem to be consistent with what? 01:33:07
Our Chief Building Officer. 01:33:10
Said would be. 01:33:13
Enforced. And so I am. 01:33:15
Going to. 01:33:19
Move forward with requesting staff. 01:33:22
To clarify with Michaela. 01:33:24
Whether this really should be a a restaurant or a brew pub. 01:33:28
And then re notice. 01:33:32
And send out. 01:33:34
The Flyers. 01:33:36
Uh, do you have any? 01:33:38
Further comment there. 01:33:39
Restaurant or pub? Not a brew pub. 01:33:42
Thank you. That's correct. 01:33:45
That's a whole nother. 01:33:47
Section. 01:33:49
Of the code. 01:33:49
So. 01:33:51
That is my determination based on this hearing. 01:34:00
On this item. 01:34:04
To move forward with be noticing reposting and confirm with the applicant for a P23-0179 that. 01:34:06
Was part of our regular agenda. 01:34:18
I would like to move forward then with continued and ongoing business of which we have none. 01:34:21
We also have no new business that we need to cover. 01:34:28
No presentations and the next meeting is to be determined. 01:34:32
And I move for adjournment. Thank you. 01:34:38
Thank you. 01:34:42
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Good morning, everyone. 00:00:06
I'd like to call the meeting of the zoning administrator to order. 00:00:08
It is Monday, August 21st, 10 AM. 00:00:13
And we are here in the City Council chambers of the. 00:00:16
Pacific Grove City Hall. 00:00:20
So I call the meeting to order. 00:00:22
Staff Would you do a roll call? 00:00:25
We have an institution, Wyatt Zoning Administrator here. 00:00:29
I'm here. Thanks. 00:00:32
OK. I'd like to move forward with the agenda. 00:00:35
An approved. 00:00:39
The. 00:00:41
Agenda. 00:00:42
And then we can open for general public comment. Yeah, I'd like to open now. 00:00:47
For general public comment, comments from the audience will. 00:00:51
Not receive zoning administrator action. Comments must deal with matters subject to the jurisdiction of the zoning administrator. 00:00:55
And will be limited to 3 minutes. 00:01:04
Comments regarding agenda items. 00:01:06
Shall not be heard. 00:01:08
Or shall be heard at the time such as items are called. 00:01:10
Whenever possible, letters should be submitted to the zoning administrator. 00:01:14
In advance of the meeting, I just would like to note that I did receive. 00:01:18
Many public comments. Thank you. 00:01:22
So any items related to the zoning administrator and not the item on the agenda are open for public comment. 00:01:24
I see no hands raised virtually and I see no one in the audience. 00:01:38
And please come up to the podium and state your name. 00:01:45
If you're if you're going to speak. 00:01:48
So these are just not related to the items on the agenda. If you just have other zoning issues you'd like to talk about? 00:01:54
Thank you. 00:02:00
OK. I'm moving forward with the consent agenda. 00:02:06
The consent agenda deals with routine and non controversial matters and may include actions. 00:02:09
On resolutions, ordinances. 00:02:14
Or other public hearings for which test testimony is not anticipated. 00:02:17
The vote on the consent agenda shall apply to each item that has not had that has not been removed. 00:02:21
The items we have on the consent agenda today requiring action. 00:02:28
We have no reports for information only. 00:02:33
And only report requiring action of the minutes of the last zoning administrator meeting. 00:02:35
That was held March 23rd, 2021. 00:02:41
I move to approve the consent agenda as it stands. 00:02:46
Was there public comment on the consent agenda? Let's go ahead and open it up for public comment. 00:02:56
On the Minutes. 00:03:01
Of the last consent agenda. 00:03:03
Items. 00:03:05
I see no virtual hands raised and I see no one from the public wishing to speak. 00:03:07
All right. We will move forward then. 00:03:12
With the regular agenda items. 00:03:14
This is a public hearing regarding. 00:03:17
So for public hearings involving a quasi judicial determination by the zoning administrator. 00:03:21
The proponent of any item may be given 10 minutes to speak. 00:03:26
And others in support of the proponents position. 00:03:31
Position. 00:03:34
Maybe given 3 minutes each. 00:03:35
A designated spokesperson for opposition to the item may be given 10 minutes to speak. 00:03:37
And all others in opposition. 00:03:42
Maybe given 3 minutes each. 00:03:44
Very brief rebuttal and Sir rebuttal. 00:03:47
May be allowed in the sole discretion of the zoning administrator. I will allow that today. 00:03:49
And I will provide 3 minutes to. 00:03:54
Both parties to provide rebuttal. 00:03:58
In public hearings not involving a quasi. 00:04:01
Judicial determination by the Zoning Administrator Administrator. All persons may be given 3 minutes to speak on the matter. 00:04:04
So we will move forward with. 00:04:11
The staff. 00:04:14
Staff. 00:04:18
Presentation. 00:04:19
Laurel. 00:04:21
Thank you. Good morning, zoning administrator and members of the public. I'm Laurel O'halloran, the planner for this 00:04:22
administrative use permit. An application for an administrative use permit was submitted on June 28th, 2023. Staff reviewed the 00:04:28
application and determined the request met the requirements to be approved. 00:04:34
Her municipal code 23.31. On July 17th, 2023, the CDC director approved the administrative use permit. 00:04:40
#23-0179 to allow a restaurant pub with food service. This is an allowable use per. 00:04:49
Our municipal code 23.31 dot O3O. 00:04:56
The public may request a hearing within the 10 day posting period. A zoning administrative hearing for the administrative use 00:05:00
permit was requested on July 25th, 2023. 00:05:04
The Zoning Administrator hearing has been set for today, August 21st. 00:05:09
2023 and has been noticed. 00:05:13
Per our municipal Code 23.86 Notice of Public Hearings. 00:05:15
The proposed project includes retail, a pub with food and alcohol service and music. 00:05:21
The proposed use also allows an enclosed, approximately 1450 square foot beer garden on the Grand Ave. side with food service open 00:05:27
during business hours. 00:05:32
The administrative use permit allows for alcohol, alcohol, service and music. 00:05:37
A building permit will be would be required, if approved, to build the kitchen providing the food service and bathrooms for 00:05:42
customers. 00:05:45
The approximately 4320 square foot parcel is currently developed with a 2640 square foot vacant commercial building. 00:05:50
This building has been vacant for over a year and has recently sold to a new owner. 00:05:57
The former use was a retail screen shop selling clothing items. The subject parcel is located in the commercial downtown. Nearby 00:06:02
uses consist of mixed-use, commercial buildings and residential. 00:06:08
Staff has received over 75 letters of support for the proposed use and for letters not in support of the proposed establishment. 00:06:14
Staff recommends approval of the administrative use permit subject to the recommended findings, conditions of approval for a pub 00:06:23
with food and alcohol service and a category exemption. 00:06:28
15301 existing facilities. This concludes my staff report and I'm available for questions. Thank you. 00:06:33
Thank you, Miss O'halloran. 00:06:41
I'd like to move forward. 00:06:44
And allow. 00:06:47
The. 00:06:48
Proponent. 00:06:50
Project proponent to give her presentation. 00:06:51
Yes, and please press the button menu. 00:07:07
Yes. 00:07:10
And allow you to Do I hold it or do it? Nope. I was on. Hello Hello and please introduce yourself. Ohh yes. 00:07:11
Boy, a podium man. Makes your hands sweat. Kind of. 00:07:18
Well, hello, I'm Michaela. 00:07:24
Hi. Hi. Some of you guys know me from the Arts Center or from piano lessons or maybe from Poppy Hall? 00:07:27
RIP. 00:07:36
But yeah, I'm just trying to open a. Am I supposed to talk to them or to you or to how you. OK. It's really hard. There's a bunch 00:07:38
of them over there. And thank you, everyone for coming. Thank you. And thanks for having me. OK. So I'm just trying to open a 00:07:43
record store and with a. 00:07:49
Little music performance area in the back. 00:07:55
That will have food available. 00:07:58
And. 00:08:00
An outdoor space. 00:08:02
It's going to be all within the code you know. Music is allowed in that code from until outside until 10:00 PM, at a decibel level 00:08:03
of 70 at the property line which isn't very loud, and then after 10 until midnight it can be indoors. 00:08:12
At the decibel level of 65. 00:08:23
I don't even intend to be that late. 00:08:25
Who even goes out that late, You know, it's I'll be like it's like a 10:00 kind of a thing, you know, in this town. And I'm fine 00:08:28
with that. And that's part of the fabric of this town is, is it is the sleepiness that everybody loves. But there needs to be a 00:08:34
few things for for kids and families. And I'm not trying to, I'm not trying to make the Viper room. 00:08:40
Or the Hollywood Bowl. It's not going to be. 00:08:47
Hundreds of cars clogging up the neighborhoods for parking. It's not going to be super late night. Really crazy. 00:08:49
You know rock and or roll, it's going to be more low key and and all ages. That's the whole point of. 00:08:56
The venue is to give my students. I'm a piano teacher and I know a lot of other music teachers in in the town and and in the area 00:09:05
and they all are saying that they don't have anywhere for their kids to. 00:09:10
Cut their chops. You know you can't just play an open mic and then jump straight to the catalyst. You know you need those little 00:09:15
stepping stone venues. Small, welcoming, safe. 00:09:20
Your buddies can come, you know, as a kid going to. 00:09:25
Shows. I wasn't old enough to go to a bar, but I could go to a show and see a band and you know, that opens. 00:09:29
Horizons and then, you know, like culturally in your mind and I don't know, I'm really rambling. I made this whole thing on next 00:09:37
door, like, I guess I could read it. I have 10 minutes. I. 00:09:41
I don't have to do 10 minutes though, right? 00:09:47
You know, it's. Yeah, I'm the building is zoned downtown commercial and yes, there are some residences above some buildings in 00:09:50
town. But you know, that's part of the game, right? Isn't that what's cool about living downtown? You get to have some of that 00:09:55
lively. 00:10:00
Stuff, You know, the music and the. 00:10:05
You know until 10 and then everything goes goes quiet. Don't worry. 00:10:07
And it's not going to be, it's yeah, it's going to be like. 00:10:12
Just family oriented. 00:10:15
Easy. 00:10:17
Bring your kids, bring your dogs. There's going to be a high school band on a Sunday afternoon playing, you know, and then later 00:10:19
on maybe maybe Tallman and Magenta Screen will play. Or, you know, it's a jazz band. Peter Martin, I don't know. Some it's going 00:10:23
to be. 00:10:28
TG OK, what I'm saying PG and PG. 00:10:34
Umm. 00:10:39
And I just feel like we need that in this town. 00:10:40
Something to do besides you know there's lots of cool things to do here but I'm I'm you know I like. 00:10:43
Music and indoor activities and and that's to me what this would be and. 00:10:50
I don't know, this is really weird. Guys, I'm sorry, I don't know how to. 00:10:55
You know it's the record store too. 00:10:59
It's not just bar. It's not going to. The bar is not even the focus. There will be a little bar because you know. 00:11:01
Fun, but but not, you know, it's not going to be like. 00:11:07
Let's do shots and listen to Slayer till 2:00 AM. You know it's not going to be that at all. 00:11:12
You know the the little beer garden area in the back, it'll be it'll be contained. 00:11:19
It'll just be a nice outdoor, indoor, outdoor for our few nice days we get, you know. 00:11:24
I don't know. 00:11:30
Umm. 00:11:32
I guess, yeah. I just. I don't know what else to say I'm going to do. I've I've dotted all my T's and crossed all my eyes and 00:11:34
like, I just don't. 00:11:37
I I feel as though I've met with the city enough and all of the departments within, I've gotten all the information and I've 00:11:41
followed their. 00:11:44
Followed their guidance and. 00:11:48
As for the ABC, I've done everything they said to I've done all of their all done all my papers, you know? 00:11:50
And it's all it's. It's allowed. Music is allowed in the code and alcohol, it's all baked into this these. 00:11:57
Uses and I'm not going to overstep that. I'm not trying to. I just want to make. 00:12:04
I just wanna add to the town I'm not trying to like. 00:12:10
Bulldozing and change everything. I love it here. I moved here because I love it here, You know I. 00:12:13
I've been involved and I have no, I didn't grow up here, but I've been here for five years and then as soon as I got here, I got 00:12:19
super involved in everything I could and. 00:12:23
I just saw a need for something like this, so and then. 00:12:27
I kind of figured out. I finally kind of figured out how I could maybe do it, how I could contribute. 00:12:31
So yeah, I'm not trying to rip apart the fabric of PG, I'm just trying to. 00:12:37
Add a square to the quilt you know and give. 00:12:42
Add add something. 00:12:46
Else to do something more, just add to and not take away. 00:12:48
Umm. 00:12:53
And still work within the the nature of the town and the needs of. 00:12:54
The people, OK? 00:12:57
And I think that's. 00:12:59
Ohh do I do like a little. 00:13:01
Like, but anyway, thank you so much to the city has been amazing and super helpful. Thank you for having me. Thank you everyone 00:13:04
who came and wrote letters. I'm like. 00:13:08
But OK, Thank you. 00:13:14
Thank you. 00:13:17
Please, please try and refrain from clapping during this hearing. 00:13:22
I would like to recognize the project opponent. 00:13:27
And Inga, Lawrence and Dahmer, and she will also be provided 10 minutes to provide her presentation. 00:13:32
And speak. I do believe she is virtual today. 00:13:40
Laura, will you please? 00:13:44
Allow her to speak. 00:13:46
Yes, Inga. 00:13:49
Welcome. Thank you. 00:13:51
And. 00:13:53
Contrary to public comment letters, the media and social media this has this appeal has nothing to do with. 00:13:56
Traffic noise killing fun? 00:14:04
The arts or denying music? 00:14:07
Umm. 00:14:10
And would you, I'm queuing up the slide, Laurel, first slide please. 00:14:12
I'm working on that. 00:14:16
Then I'll wait. 00:14:21
Please put it full screen because I am not. 00:14:35
My cameras never enabled. 00:14:40
Thank you, Laurel. 00:14:53
The inconsistencies of this project needed a public hearing to address the many ambiguities. 00:14:55
Exhibited. 00:15:02
In the administrative use permit. 00:15:04
Granted by staff. Unfortunately, administrative use permits issued do not do this. 00:15:07
There seem to be two addresses for this project. 00:15:15
215 Forest, which was the address on the issued. 00:15:18
And posted a UP notice. 00:15:23
And 220 Grand Ave. 00:15:26
Which is where the ABC liquor license application was first posted, with no AUP notice. 00:15:28
A Porta potty blocked this notice from view at times. 00:15:36
This split noticing with different streets and addresses, obscures public transparency and scrutiny. I mean, it really doesn't 00:15:42
allow, unless you walk around the back to see what's really going on. 00:15:48
The initial application. 00:15:56
For this use permit. 00:15:58
To sell alcohol was made to Laurel O'halloran at CD for a pub. 00:16:00
Food service. Alcohol. Music. 00:16:07
Pacific Grove Municipal Code 23 Dash .64 dot. 00:16:11
290. 00:16:16
Addresses alcohol service and a bonafide. 00:16:18
Public eating place in this code. 00:16:22
Any sale of alcoholic beverages. 00:16:26
Shall be subordinate. 00:16:29
To the primary use. 00:16:32
And shall comply with the State Alcoholic Beverage Control ABC license requirements for a Bonafide. 00:16:34
Public eating place. 00:16:46
Pacific Grove Municipal Code. 00:16:49
Has no definition. 00:16:52
Or use permit for a music venue nor a standalone bar without food service. 00:16:53
The only type of license. 00:17:01
The ABC issues for this use is Type 47 on sale general eating place or type 75 brew pub restaurant. 00:17:04
These allow miners on the premises. 00:17:13
The AUP was issued. 00:17:17
To pop in his restaurant. 00:17:19
Located at 215 Forest Ave. under these rules. 00:17:21
There is no mention. 00:17:26
Of an included architectural permit issued by the city. 00:17:28
Which showed up on the noticing for this hearing. 00:17:32
And in Laurel O'halloran's agenda report. 00:17:37
Yeah, only today's hearing. 00:17:44
And it also inserts the restaurant slash pub. 00:17:46
With food service nomenclature. 00:17:51
In the agenda report. 00:17:54
The end of the project states. 00:17:55
A building permit. 00:17:58
Would be required to build the kitchen. 00:18:00
Providing the food service and bathrooms for customers if the use is approved. 00:18:03
All health and safety aspects of this operation. 00:18:09
Would be addressed during the building phase. 00:18:12
Could you queue up the second slide, please? 00:18:21
Which is which city code is this? Is it a restaurant and specialty restaurant? 00:18:31
Which is what the AUP was issued to D1. 00:18:37
Or. 00:18:41
Is it as? 00:18:42
She applied for. 00:18:43
What is noticed on the? 00:18:46
Agenda report. 00:18:48
And the agenda? 00:18:51
And that's what was noticed is the pub and brew pub. 00:18:53
Which is D2, not D1. 00:18:56
So there's inconsistencies right there. 00:19:00
In the muni code addressed. 00:19:03
Landru Halloran. 00:19:10
Oh, by the way, the the pop in his premises at 220 Grand Ave. The mailing address is on 2/15. 00:19:11
And this was. 00:19:20
The application to the alcohol, the ABC. 00:19:22
Which was not for a bona fide eating place. 00:19:26
But for a Type 90 music venue? 00:19:29
For which we have no AUP in Pacific Grove Municode. 00:19:32
Included in this application is a lovely artistically hand drawn diagram. 00:19:36
Depicting the interior and exterior dimensions and layout of the entire project. 00:19:42
There is no kitchen included. 00:19:48
Only a space titled Food Trailer. 00:19:51
Situated on Grand Ave. 00:19:54
Which now is the parking lot. 00:19:56
The proposed use. 00:19:59
Describe the Laurel Halloran describes this in her agenda report, as the proposed use also includes an inclosed, approximately 00:20:01
1450 square foot beer garden on the Grand Ave. side, with food service open during business hours. 00:20:09
Planner, planner, O'halloran's description starts with the proposed project includes retail, a restaurant slash pub. 00:20:19
Food service and alcohol service. 00:20:28
There is no mention of kitchen. 00:20:31
Only service. 00:20:33
This leads me to believe that there is no kitchen planned. 00:20:35
This is just this backed food trailer depicted in the ABC license. 00:20:40
Application. 00:20:48
They're type 90. 00:20:50
ABC license application states that. 00:20:52
75% of sales. 00:20:56
Will come from alcohol. 00:20:59
Sales with minimal. 00:21:02
Food service. 00:21:04
It's on a marked on a secondary St. 00:21:07
And food service is from a food truck. 00:21:09
Yet there is no food service lessee. 00:21:15
That would be running this truck market. 00:21:18
Also, there's no parking lot anymore. 00:21:21