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Hey, good afternoon, everyone. It's Tuesday, August 15th, 4:00 PM. We're going to get this meeting started. 00:00:01
So I'd like to call to order. 00:00:09
Would you like A roll call vote? 00:00:12
So call. 00:00:14
Yeah. 00:00:15
Chair McConnell. 00:00:16
Present. 00:00:18
Vice Chair Myers. 00:00:19
Secretary Lee. 00:00:22
Yeah. 00:00:24
Commissioner Bryson. 00:00:25
Present. 00:00:27
Commissioner Dunn. 00:00:28
Absent. 00:00:30
Commissioner Tibbs absent. 00:00:31
Commissioner walking stick. 00:00:33
It wasn't. 00:00:35
Thank you. 00:00:36
OK. I'd like to call approval of the agenda. 00:00:38
Guess just a motion to approve the agenda and then? 00:00:42
I move to approve the agenda. 00:00:46
2nd. 00:00:49
All in favor. 00:00:51
Aye. 00:00:52
Any opposed? 00:00:53
Motion carries. 00:00:57
Sorry, this chair. 00:01:00
That's that. 00:01:11
OK. 00:01:12
So now I'd like to open up for Commission and staff announcement. So this is a good time for subcommittees to make any 00:01:14
announcements. 00:01:18
Um, that's not going to be a permanent thing on the agenda. So this is the time to make those announcements. 00:01:22
We can put things on the agenda if you want feedback from the public, but for right now, any updates in general and also from any 00:01:27
of the subcommittees. 00:01:32
My. 00:01:46
I just wanted to let everyone know that we. 00:01:48
Finally, we're able to present our amended proposed amendments to the plastics Ordinance to City Council. 00:01:52
Which I think went well. 00:02:01
And it's now being reviewed by the City Council. 00:02:02
Who will then redline our proposed changes into the ordinance? 00:02:07
Make any other changes that he thinks necessary for updating it. 00:02:12
And then present it to Council. 00:02:16
Hate anybody else? 00:02:22
Yeah, PG Museum of Natural History is offering a Climate Stewards course as part of their California Naturalist program. They do 00:02:24
have spaces. Zooms are on Wednesday evenings, alternate Saturdays, or field trips. 00:02:32
It runs September and October, so check museum website For more information. 00:02:39
Great. Thank you. 00:02:48
Hi, I'd like to thank City Council and Nicole Medoff for the Monterey Pines presentation. It was very informative and well 00:02:50
received. Presentations like these help us better understand the environment we live in and its importance. 00:02:57
Also, I wanted to make aware everyone aware that George Washington Park is going to start up on some pretty heavy leading efforts. 00:03:04
Umm. 00:03:12
Come get on, get your wedding therapy on or the. I'm working on some September dates now and you can contact Amy, Count Colony. 00:03:13
We're looking at Saturdays. 00:03:17
Uh, starting on the 9th through in September, so. 00:03:22
Thank you. 00:03:26
To follow up on that. 00:03:30
The wedding in George Washington Park is so important because. 00:03:32
We're reading around the really little tree seedlings and that's and then the volunteers are also going to be watering. So it's so 00:03:37
important to give them a chance to get grown and get seen so they're not mowed by mistake or choked out by weeds. So really incurs 00:03:44
tell everyone you know and what we're hoping to do this time is. 00:03:52
Maybe only have it two hours long instead of four hours. 00:03:59
And preceded with coffee and maybe have a celebratory cake or something afterwards so to kind of try to turn it into a wedding 00:04:03
party and also not kill our bodies with four hours of work. 00:04:10
So please will what will we do? Announce it here or it'll OK? 00:04:17
Through the city website as well I believe with Amy Colony. OK. 00:04:25
All right. 00:04:29
And then the tree subcommittee we want to. 00:04:30
Update the city website also as we'll be going over with the wildlife on our agenda tonight. 00:04:35
To get. 00:04:43
Tree care protocols. 00:04:43
Easily understood and. 00:04:45
And to coordinate all these volunteers, because it's like a certain citizens have lists, Amy has lists. It's anyway we'd like to 00:04:49
work on those and then also getting funding for. 00:04:54
Tree maintenance that's sponsored by the cities trying to figure out how to do that so that people aren't. 00:05:00
Antagonized by planting trees. 00:05:07
And second thing I wanted to announce is that Calcium is having another one that are presentations and this one. 00:05:12
Goes along with our pest management IPM, it's on weeding and pest management. 00:05:20
That they're going to go over using an an integrated pest management strategizing to prevent. 00:05:28
Problems and managing weeds and pests without chemicals and offering non-toxic solutions. That's going to be on August 16th. 00:05:34
And from 6:00 to 7:00 PM. So it's tomorrow night. If anybody wants a link, please e-mail me, e-mail me and I'll. 00:05:45
Get you the link and then. 00:05:53
There were. 00:06:00
On 3 emails and I just wanted to say I really appreciate the e-mail from. 00:06:01
Only in Ingram about the balloons and confetti. 00:06:08
The e-mail from Tony Chiani about the chemicals in Crosby Pond. 00:06:13
And the e-mail from Lisa Chiang on. 00:06:17
The drones and. 00:06:21
I would just encourage you at public comment to let us know. 00:06:23
Please specifically what you want us to do because I get these emails and I'm very appreciative of them and I'm not sure. 00:06:29
What to do with them? 00:06:37
And then? 00:06:40
One other thing I want to throw out there, I don't know if this is the right time, sorry but. 00:06:41
There's a. 00:06:47
Planning situation on some of these agenda items where? 00:06:48
Like the agenda items are really important and sometimes people. 00:06:54
Get four days notice about them, sometimes less if they don't read the agenda right away. 00:06:58
And it takes people time to prepare and they don't. 00:07:03
I have time off from work and I. 00:07:06
Like to get some? 00:07:09
Kind of timing. 00:07:10
So that. 00:07:12
Maybe. 00:07:13
You know every. 00:07:14
February we talked about. 00:07:15
Umm. 00:07:18
Hi, Claudia. 00:07:19
We talk about monarchs maybe every March we do the wildlife presentations and then every April we have to do wises report 00:07:21
something so that. 00:07:25
The public knows it's coming up. 00:07:29
And we're not all freaking out. 00:07:32
Saying, Oh my God, do I have time to research this? Do I have time to really read all of this thoroughly? 00:07:35
Maybe that could go along with the seasonal calendar that we. 00:07:41
Talked about. 00:07:45
So. 00:07:46
Sorry if that was the inappropriate time, I said no when to say it. 00:07:46
Thank you. 00:07:51
Just announced that the. 00:07:55
Climate Action and Adaptation Council subcommittees meeting this coming Thursday here at 4:00 PM. The agenda has been published, 00:07:57
so you can. 00:08:01
Check that out of what we'll be discussing on. 00:08:06
Thursday. 00:08:09
Any other? 00:08:12
Anything from staff? 00:08:15
Nothing from staff. You beat me to it. Thank you. 00:08:18
You can represent. 00:08:21
OK, great Council liaison announcements. 00:08:23
Good afternoon, commissioners. Just a couple. 00:08:32
I I was able to get, I was able to invite. 00:08:35
Nicole Nikki Madoff, World renowned ecologists, especially as regards the Monterey Pine. 00:08:41
For us, she came and gave us a presentation at Council on August 2nd. 00:08:48
Wonderful presentation. I think everyone was very impressed. It was very informative. 00:08:52
And if anyone would like to see that again, it's available through the City Council's agenda web page, the August 2nd. 00:08:57
Meeting. 00:09:05
There's an update on the request for proposals for the LCP corrections and amendments finally. 00:09:06
So we're making some progress on that and I I anticipate that RFP. 00:09:13
Will go out within the next two weeks. 00:09:18
Umm. 00:09:21
That's. 00:09:22
Finally, yeah. So that's good news to report. 00:09:25
A little bit of a. 00:09:28
A little bit of an update or an announcement on what we have coming to council. 00:09:30
And at our September 6 agenda currently. 00:09:35
The forest management plan for George Washington Park has been scheduled. This last was heard at BRC has yet to come to council 00:09:39
so. 00:09:44
Mark your calendars accordingly. September 6, Forest Management Plan. Proposed Forest Management Plan. 00:09:50
On the same agenda, I have an agenda item for giving City Council direction on George Washington Park planning. 00:09:57
So there will be. 00:10:04
Discussion. 00:10:06
On two separate agenda items regarding George Washington Park. 00:10:07
And again, that's September 6. 00:10:12
And last but not least, the city now has a new city manager. 00:10:14
Tory Hannah was appointed by the council. 00:10:19
To serve as acting city manager Pro Tem. 00:10:22
And the subcommittee is actively seeking. 00:10:26
Proposals for an interim city manager. 00:10:29
And a replacement city manager. 00:10:33
That's all for today. Have a good week. 00:10:35
Thank you. 00:10:40
Open it up for any general public comment. 00:10:42
We will start in the room. If you have a comment you can come on up to the mic. 00:10:46
Talk into the mic if you can, please. 00:10:50
No ones getting up OK. Any hands raised online? 00:10:54
We have one hand raised. I'll open the the floor for Lisa Gianni. 00:11:00
Thank you. I appreciate the the announcements that I I did want to say that Susan Myers presentation at Council was great on the 00:11:07
plastics. 00:11:13
Single use plastics updates. 00:11:20
And and and Marty, Denny's follow-up comment to that also was great and and so I'm excited about that going forward. 00:11:23
And also making it a presentation on a Monterey pine forest was just. 00:11:33
Really amazing and I've taken classes from her, but it's always great to hear her again and a little more sinks in every time. 00:11:39
And I I hope that council was. 00:11:48
Really taking that in because it it it makes such a difference if they can appreciate the value of what we have. 00:11:51
In George Washington Park. 00:11:59
Umm. 00:12:01
I also wanted to say that even if there's nothing else on an agenda. 00:12:02
It's important every month for active subcommittee reports to be on the agenda. 00:12:08
As agenda items. 00:12:14
Open to public comment and be NRC discussion. 00:12:15
You have been so energetic in taking on so many important issues and you have. 00:12:20
These amazing goals. 00:12:27
And. 00:12:29
So brief updates or detailed presentations. 00:12:30
Umm. 00:12:35
Whether whether it's either of those, your public is interested and and I hope no, no more meetings will be. 00:12:36
Will be cancelled because there's. 00:12:44
You've got so much to talk about. 00:12:47
But so thank you for all you're doing. 00:12:51
And we also have a hand raised from Angel, Lawrence and Dahmer. 00:12:57
Thank you. 00:13:02
Someone. 00:13:04
Apologies, and I accidentally muted you for a moment there. You are now unmuted notice. 00:13:08
Thank you. Someone should make a note that Commissioner Tibbs joined you and marked the time. Wouldn't she? Did I didn't. I'm 00:13:15
sorry, but I. 00:13:20
Certainly saw her arrive, and I wanted to say that you had so many. 00:13:25
Wonderful written public comments this this time, and I hope you do some action on the drones especially. 00:13:30
And the balloons, I mean, they are. 00:13:39
It needs the follow up here and agenda items and I'm going to agree with Lisa that that. 00:13:42
I really believe that subcommittees should always be agenda items, not just announcements and done that way. 00:13:50
Because, yes, the public. 00:13:58
Rather does want to weigh in sometimes, so I appreciate what you're doing too. Thank you so much. Bye. 00:14:00
Thank you. 00:14:13
After this we'll. 00:14:15
Make note of. 00:14:16
Commissioner, tips arriving? Is there any other public comment? 00:14:18
No further hands. Thank you. 00:14:21
So, Commissioner, TIPS is now present. 00:14:25
All right. 00:14:31
So just on to written public comment just so folks are know that was published, there was eight that were published, there was 00:14:34
also two more that came in on monarchs. So I think the city for adding that to our agenda that is a helpful to see that summary. 00:14:41
Any other comments on that? 00:14:49
No further comment. Thank you. 00:14:55
OK. 00:14:59
So we'll go. 00:14:59
Ohh, I do want to speak a minute about the subcommittees we are active. 00:15:03
We need to put it as a separate agenda item. So when I send the e-mail or do you have any agenda items, that's the time to put 00:15:07
together your thoughts of what? 00:15:11
We need to review and then we can get that onto the agenda. It won't be a standing thing on the agenda, that's just. 00:15:15
That's what the. 00:15:21
The Commission staff announcements section is for, so if we want to include our subcommittees then please. 00:15:24
Get those. 00:15:30
To me, so George and I can work to get it on the agenda. 00:15:32
Just wanted to clarify that. 00:15:35
OK. So item number six is approval of the Minutes, so I'll just need a motion to approve or if there's any edits or? 00:15:37
Umm. 00:15:44
Move to approve. 00:15:47
2nd. 00:15:52
OK, motion. 00:15:53
Passes all in favor, aye? 00:15:55
Aye. 00:15:58
Any opposed? 00:15:59
Motion passes. 00:16:01
OK, great. So now we're on to our regular agenda item. 00:16:04
Our first up is our Monarch Sanctuary annual report. So George, I believe you'll give a. 00:16:07
Presentation or. 00:16:13
Update and then. 00:16:15
And we'll receive that report, have public comment and then. 00:16:17
Discussion within our group. 00:16:20
Yes, thank you. 00:16:26
So attached to the agenda we have. 00:16:27
Stu ices. 00:16:29
2023. 00:16:31
Monarch Sanctuary assessment and management suggestions. 00:16:33
And so. 00:16:37
I'm going to run through real quickly kind of the the major actions that he's suggesting. 00:16:38
And then show some pictures and talk about some of the smaller actions that he's also recommending. 00:16:43
So for background, Stu Weiss. 00:16:51
Is part of the Creekside. 00:16:53
Center for Earth Observations and. 00:16:57
They annually perform. 00:17:00
Consulting services. 00:17:03
For civic growth at the sanctuary. 00:17:05
In 2011, they. 00:17:07
Produced a thorough management plan. 00:17:09
And since 2014, they've produced. 00:17:12
Annual updates. 00:17:14
Or annual recommendations? 00:17:16
To kind of go along with that 2011 management plan. 00:17:18
And Steve also produced earlier reports. 00:17:22
For the sanctuary in the 90s. 00:17:24
And the reports are the guiding documents and can be found online at the Monarch Sanctuary sub page on the city's website. 00:17:27
So the three major things that he's recommending. 00:17:36
Are to manage the large downed wood. 00:17:40
A very large pine tree in the center of the Grove fell during the our winter storms. 00:17:44
Took out some smaller pine trees. 00:17:49
And is now sitting just on its side with its root ball up in the air and at the recommendation of Stu and the City Arborist. 00:17:51
The plan is to buck up that tree or cut it up into some pieces. 00:17:58
Especially the the limbs at the crown that has fallen and presents a fire danger. 00:18:02
And then? 00:18:08
Buck up the trunk enough that it can fall onto the ground just to speed up the decomposition with it touching. 00:18:09
The soil. 00:18:14
Another. 00:18:17
Suggestion is to remove the box trees from their current locations along the southeast fence. 00:18:18
And to further thin a group of Monterey Cypress trees. 00:18:26
That are in the northwest corner. 00:18:30
And I'm going to move on to the next slides that have some pictures. 00:18:33
So here is the large tree that fell. 00:18:36
And. 00:18:39
I just want to say that pictures. 00:18:40
Kind of through this whole presentation, so we can all agree, just don't. 00:18:42
Do these things justice. 00:18:45
And. 00:18:47
I encourage everyone to go look at these things for yourself. 00:18:49
Either on your own or. 00:18:53
At the walkthrough that we have planned for later this month, August 25th at 1:00 PM. 00:18:55
And the size of this tree really is not conveyed in these pictures. It is a big tree. 00:19:00
And that. 00:19:06
Broken trunk you see on the right. 00:19:07
Wouldn't you know, is relatively a medium sized tree, but it's still a big tree. 00:19:09
And that was a big, you know, medium sized, healthy tree that got taken out by this. 00:19:13
Large tree that fell. 00:19:18
On the left here. 00:19:24
You can see the box trees along the southeast fence line. 00:19:25
And. 00:19:31
There, there's worry that if left in place, the trees will root through the Redwood boxes. 00:19:32
That the trees are. 00:19:37
Kind of. 00:19:39
2 Proximal to the fence. 00:19:40
And. 00:19:43
Are you know? 00:19:43
Not in an ideal location. 00:19:46
On the right here we have a picture of the young, crowded Cypress trees. 00:19:48
This is a group of three in the picture. Just to the left of the picture there was a group of I think 5 or 6. 00:19:52
Where two were thinned last year. 00:19:58
And the suggestion is to further thin two or three more from this area. 00:20:00
There. 00:20:05
Young trees that are starting to grow into each other, crowding each other out. 00:20:06
And the advice from the City Arborist and Stu. 00:20:10
Is that by removing a couple of the trees? 00:20:14
It'll make room for the other trees to flourish. 00:20:17
This large dead pine tree on the left here. 00:20:22
Is up by the hotel driveway. 00:20:25
So you can't see it from The Walking path, but you can see it from if you walk along the hotel driveway all the way to the corner. 00:20:28
And. 00:20:35
It's completely lost its crown. 00:20:36
If it fell it would threaten smaller trees and its where wherever it would land. 00:20:38
And if it fell, it could also threaten the hotel property. 00:20:43
So the recommendation is to either remove that. 00:20:48
Or to. 00:20:50
Remove the crown and turn it into a snag. 00:20:52
And on the right you have the young, crowded eucalyptus trees at the southeast corner. 00:20:56
And you can see the big established eucalyptus is in the back. 00:21:00
And then some of the smaller trees. 00:21:03
That are very close together. 00:21:05
Have been there for about a decade. 00:21:07
And some of them are dead or nearly nearly dying. 00:21:09
And by thinning the weakest and most crowded. 00:21:13
We cannot allow the others to flourish. 00:21:15
So the process. 00:21:20
For the last many years. 00:21:22
Is that prior to the over and overwintering annual report? 00:21:24
Our prior prior to overwintering the annual, sorry, the annual report is. 00:21:28
Created by Stu and submitted to the city. 00:21:34
Reviewed by staff, including the Arborist. 00:21:36
And presented here to the NRC. 00:21:39
And it is also provided to the. 00:21:42
California Department. 00:21:44
Of Fish and Wildlife that holds. 00:21:46
A conservation easement on the property. 00:21:48
And. 00:21:50
Dictates what the city can and can't do on the property. 00:21:51
And. 00:21:56
A representative of Fish and Wildlife will be at the public walk through August 25th. There they are confirmed. 00:21:57
Stu will be the. 00:22:02
The walk through on the 25th and city staff will be there as well. 00:22:04
And after that walk through the city will perform. 00:22:08
The maintenance. 00:22:12
Here is a graph from students report. 00:22:17
Showing the numbers. 00:22:19
And 1st, and while we're looking at the numbers here, I'd like to thank the museum staff. 00:22:21
For very dutifully and their volunteers counting them monarchs, both in line with the Jersey schedule to count at Thanksgiving 00:22:27
time and New Year's. 00:22:31
And then just go above and beyond, counting weekly in addition. 00:22:36
But this will give you kind of a general trend of where things have been in the last. 00:22:40
Decade and 1/2 ish. 00:22:45
You know. 00:22:47
We had an abysmal 2020. 00:22:48
That was, you know? 00:22:50
Let it, you know, it was kind of the. 00:22:53
Culmination of. 00:22:56
Declining numbers. 00:22:57
And then? 00:22:59
And the last two years we've had. 00:23:00
A slight rebound. 00:23:03
That you know you could get optimistic looking at this chart, but if you look at a decades long chart. 00:23:04
I think it's still pretty depressing when you compare it to the hundreds of thousands that they used to be counted. 00:23:11
So. 00:23:16
Something to keep in mind. 00:23:18
But I think another important part of this chart is to look at the trends compared to. 00:23:19
The California totals and the Monterey County totals. 00:23:23
And to see how the. 00:23:26
Miracle of Sanctuary numbers largely fall in line. 00:23:29
With the trend of the California total numbers and the Monterey County numbers. 00:23:32
So 2020? 00:23:36
Was horrible. 00:23:38
21 a little better, 22 a little bit better and we're hoping to continue that improvement. 00:23:40
With that. 00:23:47
I'll lead into any questions. 00:23:48
And. 00:23:49
A last kind of plea for everybody that if you're interested, please come to the walkthrough on the 25th, 1:00 PM. 00:23:50
Thank you. We'll open it up for public comment. So if anyone in the room come on up to the mic. 00:23:58
Yeah. 00:24:10
Good afternoon, ladies. 00:24:20
10th month. 00:24:22
My name is Clemence Macias. I've been a volunteer. 00:24:23
With the Monarch Sanctuary for about three years. I'm also a docent at the California State Park and Natural Bridges. 00:24:27
I took the class with California State Park on Monarchs and their Advocates. 00:24:35
Been living in Pacific Grove since 1987 and being part of. 00:24:41
One of the background who care about maintaining the butterflies like. 00:24:46
Probably all of you. 00:24:51
Couple of comments on what have been spoken. 00:24:52
1st. 00:24:56
We have talked a couple of years ago when Caleb was here and we Dominique and. 00:24:59
That we need to. 00:25:04
Create the a process mapping of what takes place, because all of this comes usually in August or September. 00:25:05
These. 00:25:13
There's a lot of steps when I began mapping these. 00:25:14
That this committee needs to do this, this person needs to do that and nobody has not been, because when we ask why this late, 00:25:18
nobody knows. So we said let's map the process like incorporation, we'll do it so. 00:25:24
That's one thing, and I volunteered to continue because I had started. 00:25:31
The second thing is. 00:25:35
We have. We have maintained Steward Wise as the only representative who can say something about not. Why don't we ask for a second 00:25:38
opinion. There's at one point we had Kingston Leon who's an environmentalist on sanctuaries. He lives. He has done Pismo Beach. 00:25:48
And he had had one of the best plans about how to project and then maintain the sanctuary. 00:25:59
For years to come. Not next year. Not cut these, not cut that. So something to think about it and not just take the word of one 00:26:06
person. 00:26:10
That I don't see him coming every day when the volunteers have put. 00:26:14
Hours and hours on a weekly, weekly basis. 00:26:19
The downed tree, for example, he's suggesting to cut the down tree, which I agree, but also. 00:26:22
There's no mention of another tree that there were two big trees in the same middle area. 00:26:28
That were ordered by the city? No by Stewart. 00:26:35
To be cut last year. 00:26:38
So TOPS came with two people and cut it and left some of the trunks there, which I always said, why are they leaving the trunks 00:26:40
there? They were cut and they were left there. 00:26:45
So then this winter we have one tree that came down that is huge. 00:26:51
Then it adds to the thing. So I don't see anything why addressing one tree that was down because of the winter storm and no two 00:26:55
trees that were cut and left. 00:27:00
By the tree cutters. 00:27:05
And last, the boxes of the eucalyptus are. 00:27:08
My understanding of it is had been put down because that corner and that wall. 00:27:14
Has been when historically the monarch has been there forever. When we were, when we arrived in 87. OK, my time is off, but 00:27:19
something to think about not to take. 00:27:24
With a grain of salt. Thank you. 00:27:30
Thank you. 00:27:33
Good afternoon and thank you for your service and thank you, George for the report. 00:27:41
My personal Robert Pacelli. 00:27:47
And I'm speaking for myself and. 00:27:50
For Louise Ramirez from the Aloni Stone. 00:27:53
Group who have registered the. 00:27:58
Have the sanctuary registered as a sacred site with the state of California. 00:28:01
Which brings his own. 00:28:07
Things that we have to hear to that haven't been mentioned in here, but I can't waste my 3 minutes on that. You'll hear more about 00:28:09
this a little later. 00:28:13
About. 00:28:17
Basically it's my belief that we went from 2000 and from zero, then up to 2022 and then 23 and we had this increase. 00:28:19
And the reason why we had this increase was because we brought these trees in. 00:28:30
And because we put those cypresses there won't be because we put those eucalyptus. 00:28:35
Which are in the boxes which have absolutely. 00:28:40
No chance of going through the box because of the nature of eucalyptus, which goes in calculus. And the boxes were made at Redwood 00:28:44
at a great expense from our pocket, knowing that they would last there for years. 00:28:51
Another part of the project was the slaps, both boys and girls who were anticipating and putting them in the ground. 00:28:58
To cover up or damage the city will down in the coming this year. 00:29:06
And the numbers prove that we are growing. 00:29:12
Have 3 minutes after 30 years of doing this, but this we need to have more discussion. 00:29:15
We need to really look at these things and we won't need to make them aware, alright, so it's good, everybody's good. 00:29:22
Well, why would their plans come racing through here? 00:29:30
Why the things that people? Why not the Boy Scouts? Why not the people who planted the trees? I believe that this plan would be 00:29:33
destructive in many ways and actually inhibit the work that we've been doing. 00:29:39
And there's a lot of scientific and a lot of facts that are true that I can't relate to you in 3 minutes, but I was hoping the 00:29:46
staff would study, for instance, the you're cutting out the eucalyptus that's been refused by fish and wild ride for the last four 00:29:54
years. So I will paying somebody now. Well, why hasn't the staff gone back and looked at what was it previously proposed? 00:30:02
Why don't we go over this over and over and over again, in fact? 00:30:11
Why Can somebody say to us there should be no more findings? 00:30:14
Plantings in our sanctuary, when actually it needs more. 00:30:18
And a lot of the scientific evidence in the talk at the various other minor closes around, you know, the school system increase. 00:30:22
And they looked at us as actually a role model. 00:30:31
And we're working with everybody from fishing Ohio life to different sanctuaries around the state putting in more trees. And when 00:30:34
the state biologists came through the searchers. 00:30:40
When you start around Thursday, we connect a couple college. 00:30:47
It's a really good now approach here and I wish we could. 00:30:50
Thank you and thank you for your work by the way. 00:30:54
Thank you. 00:30:57
Hi, everybody. 00:31:05
My name is Mary Dinton and I've been a monarch dosent up at the sanctuary for approximately 15 years, maybe even a bit longer, and 00:31:06
I was doing the landscaping. 00:31:13
When the city was in charge of when the museum was in charge of it, and now while the city is in charge of it, so. 00:31:21
And I also live right below the Sanctuary, so I'm there a lot and see it a lot. 00:31:28
And some of Doctor Weiss's suggestions I wholly agree with. 00:31:33
For instance, the Buddleia trees. 00:31:39
In the neck to beds that I take care of. They've grown way, way tall and massive. They desperately need cutting down, but at this 00:31:41
point I even know I've got a long tool. I can't reach it to do that. 00:31:49
One thing that really stood out in my mind, I think it's #10 in his description and and the committee has been talking about 00:31:57
putting in more nectar plants that bloom during the monarchs and other times of the year for other pollinators. 00:32:05
And I am, as Jeannie Anton will remember, when she was chair and I was giving a report every month on the monarchs. I was always 00:32:14
talking about the state of the rope fence. And pretty much every time I go up there, I'm emailing Amy to tell her that the post is 00:32:21
down, the ropes are down. 00:32:28
Kids just swinging on them. 00:32:35
There. 00:32:37
Public Works is coming out every week. Fixing them now. 00:32:38
Stew says. 00:32:43
Plant nectar plants, but not until the rope fence has been replaced. Now I know that this committee is. 00:32:45
Approved a new fence, brought it up to City Council twice and they've said no, I I don't think anybody from city councillors. 00:32:52
Being there to look, But anyway, if there's anything you can do and I know George is doing his best to get a new fence because we 00:33:01
really would like to get some new nectar plants in there. 00:33:07
Thank you. 00:33:13
Thank you. 00:33:16
I'm even shorter. 00:33:24
I'm Kathy Wooten and I wanted to. 00:33:27
Say how much I appreciated Doctor Weiss's. 00:33:31
Report and his recommendations. 00:33:35
Uh, he's he's a very well known. 00:33:38
Environmentalist and is. 00:33:42
Has been giving good advice, I think to Pacific Grove regarding the the Monarch sanctuary for many years. 00:33:46
I think that there is hope that we will have a new management plan. 00:33:54
That was mentioned in the report. 00:34:01
Because there is going to be funding available and it would be a plan that would include neighbourhoods and in fact. 00:34:03
The entire city as well as. 00:34:11
Probably countrywide. 00:34:15
Types of actions that we can take to preserve the number of monarchs. 00:34:19
And I I agree with Doctor Weiss's. 00:34:26
Recommendations to? 00:34:31
Remove some of the smaller and weaker Eucalyptus trees. 00:34:34
There should be some thinning in other areas as well, Anybody that gardens knows that. 00:34:38
You have to allow room for plants to. 00:34:44
Spread their roots. 00:34:48
And to get sun. 00:34:50
And if. 00:34:51
Plants are too crowded, then they compete with each other. 00:34:52
And none of them do well. 00:34:56
So I appreciate Doctor Weiss's advice in that regard. 00:34:58
And I'm hopeful that with another El Nino year coming up, we'll have some good weather. 00:35:02
Lots more rain, that will definitely. 00:35:09
Improve the chances for the trees and the sanctuary to continue flourishing. 00:35:13
Thank you. 00:35:18
Thank you. 00:35:20
Anyone else in the room? 00:35:22
OK. 00:35:24
Go to folks online, please. 00:35:25
Let's start with Tom. 00:35:30
Hi, thank you. 00:35:34
I'm I'm not an expert on monarchs or the Monarch Growth Sanctuary, so I'm going to stay away from that one. 00:35:36
Thank you, but I do have some experience in George Washington Park. 00:35:43
And that's included in this report always is. 00:35:47
It's a small inclusion, I know that's it's not a focus, but. 00:35:50
For I think, the first time that I'm aware. 00:35:55
That portion of George Washington Park? It's just a few paragraphs on page 12. 00:35:59
Recommends some procedures in there be introduced as a management plan. 00:36:03
I have some problems with that. 00:36:10
First, because there are some management proposals going to the City Council September 6th. 00:36:12
As Councilman Coletti said. 00:36:19
And I'm not sure that this might be. 00:36:22
They're trying to contradict those or or be running in the face of those. 00:36:25
That's number one and #2, the recommendation. 00:36:31
Is for the new Pines planted in the park. 00:36:35
To be deep watered and not watered as we. 00:36:38
Do now as volunteers now. 00:36:43
I think most of you know Kim and I have been. 00:36:45
Planting watering trees in that park for about 15 years now. 00:36:47
And we and a host of other volunteers. 00:36:51
Are right now watering. 00:36:54
Regularly 239 very healthy, nice growing pine trees in there. 00:36:56
And we've got fifty or sixty others that are completely on their own and are perfectly healthy trees. 00:37:02
We have not done that with A1 size fits all plan. 00:37:09
We have learned a lot through trial and error. 00:37:15
About the various soil conditions. 00:37:18
About the the sun locations, about the presence of tree roots, about groundwater, et cetera. 00:37:20
All those things that go into determining where we plant trees and how we water them. 00:37:28
What this plan is proposing is deep watering everything. 00:37:34
We do that when it's appropriate. 00:37:38
We don't do that on most in there because I don't think it would work. 00:37:40
I don't think we would have any any place near the 239 trees we have now. 00:37:44
If we deep watered all of them. 00:37:49
That's appropriate for some, but in those soil conditions and during that drought. 00:37:51
More frequent water. 00:37:56
Was better. 00:37:57
And because of the locations we tried to pick more recently. 00:37:59
We try to pick places where the ground is loaded with pine roots. 00:38:03
And our idea is to get the new trees to get their roots down into that existing pine root. 00:38:07
Substructure down below. 00:38:15
And not necessarily all the way to its own groundwater. 00:38:17
And we've had, I think, some pretty good success with that so far. 00:38:20
Just coincidentally, we did send you a report over the weekend with an update on some conditions and some things. 00:38:24
In George Washington Park and. 00:38:31
Pointed out that among other things, there are 403 brand new. 00:38:33
Points sprouts in there in the last few weeks. 00:38:37
There are more today, but. 00:38:40
I think we're going to follow the watering recommendation in this plan. We're not going to have any of those survive. 00:38:43
So I would like to see you. 00:38:49
Remove or temper or at least downgrade. 00:38:53
The George Washington Park parts of this report as recommendations to possibilities. 00:38:57
Thank you. 00:39:02
Thank you. 00:39:04
Any other hands raised? 00:39:06
Yes. Next up we have Angle, Lawrence and Dahmer. 00:39:08
Thank you. 00:39:14
This was kind of a point of order kind of thing because I believe that we skipped item number six on the agenda directly to this 00:39:16
one, which was approval of the Minutes. So I questioned that. 00:39:23
Umm. 00:39:31
The Minutes. 00:39:33
Hello. 00:39:34
Minutes were approved. 00:39:36
They were. I'm very sorry I didn't hear that. 00:39:37
I don't know where I was OK on this. Thank you very much. 00:39:43
On this one, I'm gonna ask you to please question the removal of the recommendation with the Redwood box trees. 00:39:50
And I'm going to agree with Tom Aikman. 00:40:00
On the George Washington Park. 00:40:03
Plan and I know that different Rd. watering. 00:40:05
Methods are incredibly important. 00:40:11
As I've been here for. 00:40:14
70 years and have trees my grandfather planted. So I mean I would like that to be questioned and maybe looked into a little more. 00:40:16
And thank you for your work. 00:40:28
Thank you. Any other hands raised. 00:40:33
Yes, next we have Carmelita Garcia. 00:40:36
Hi, everyone. Good afternoon. 00:40:43
Thank you all for your service. 00:40:46
With regards to the. 00:40:49
Thought of removing that big tree or the canopy and there's a question about taking it down or leaving a snag. 00:40:52
I I would encourage you to leave the snag. 00:41:00
I think inasmuch as. 00:41:02
We care for our trees and for human safety and what have you. 00:41:05
At the same time, we should also. 00:41:10
Try to keep as much natural. 00:41:13
Habitat as we can and and in my opinion snags do do that. 00:41:16
So I would encourage staff to, you know, please keep a snag and take care of you know the rest of the tree however you may. 00:41:21
Need to do that anyway. 00:41:28
So umm, you know, I I have comments about the removal of these boxed trees as well. 00:41:30
So, you know, I read it and it says that they're currently rooting through the bottoms of the boxes. 00:41:37
And these trees are too crowded relative to the large trees, just W too close to the fence and unnecessary for wind shelter given 00:41:43
the structures. 00:41:47
And the dense tree canopies developing to the further West of large trees. 00:41:52
Well, you know to me. 00:41:57
This is an issue that can be resolved by #1. 00:42:00
Don't remove all of them. Leave some of them. 00:42:06
And if they're rooting through the boxes, well, plant them in the ground. 00:42:08
And move them. 00:42:13
Away from the fence. 00:42:15
I don't think you know the trees have to actually be taken away. 00:42:16
And also. 00:42:21
I I don't know if it was in the report or what. I mean this is a long report. 00:42:22
But whether or not? 00:42:27
There was any discussion about? 00:42:29
Umm. 00:42:32
What these trees are doing? I mean my understanding is. 00:42:33
They help block a particular. 00:42:38
Wind and I know when I've been to the sanctuary during butterfly season, Monarch season. 00:42:40
That these trees do attract the monarchs so. 00:42:49
I I would ask that #4 be thought about again. 00:42:53
And you know, in my opinion, they all don't have to go away It it makes sense that if people are aware. 00:42:57
That they're rooting through the bottoms of the boxes. 00:43:05
Well, common sense is take them out of the boxes and plant them in the ground. 00:43:07
So that they can grow. 00:43:11
I don't think you can have too much coverage. 00:43:13
You know, and that's my opinion, so. 00:43:17
Anyway, keep the snag and rethink #4. 00:43:19
Thank you. 00:43:22
Thank you. 00:43:26
Next. 00:43:27
Next up we have Jennifer Gorman. 00:43:28
Hello, good evening. First of all, I'd like to apologize for my late written comment that the commissioners received today. But I 00:43:33
think Rebecca pointed out that we don't always have a lot of time to respond. I know a lot of of our volunteers with the sanctuary 00:43:40
and others have spoken up tonight about questions raised in the report. I think there are a myriad of issues. 00:43:48
But the focus of my comments, both in writing and this evening, will be out in George Washington Park. Much like Tom Aikman, I 00:43:56
really think we need a fresh set of eyes on this park. I feel that the reports I was looking at them year after year that are 00:44:02
submitted, it just feels like a regurgitation of facts and some. 00:44:09
Umm. 00:44:15
Questionable possibilities or suggestions or recommendations made. I think it's unfortunate that George Washington Park is such a 00:44:17
small portion of this report, considering it's a far larger. 00:44:22
Of urban forest that we have, it's 20 acres as opposed to a little over 2, the report did point out, which I thought was important 00:44:30
to note that. 00:44:34
The one in George Washington, or sorry, the one at the Monarch Sanctuary itself, is not even considered a natural forest. 00:44:39
And all of our focuses there, It's the known one I realize is the one tourists come to see. But George Washington Park is 20 00:44:46
acres. 00:44:50
Of city owned property that we can actually control. 00:44:54
And improve and try and expand the monarch habitat. We're acting as though that historical site is the only. 00:44:57
Consideration The only place we should be looking to see if they're clustering. I don't even know how often it's visited. I think 00:45:06
it's unfortunate that these annual walkthroughs do not also take place in George Washington Park. It's like it's an afterthought. 00:45:10
It's like. 00:45:15
No one's giving it the thought and attention it deserves, and I would like to see that change. 00:45:21
Umm. 00:45:27
So there's kind of my concerns and I'm glad to see and hear that we're going to have some agenda items on the park at the 6th 00:45:28
meeting at the next council meeting. So that's good. 00:45:33
Progress. I think we can get there, but we just have to make it a focus. 00:45:39
Because as was stated in Doctor Weiss's report. 00:45:44
The We don't have control over the surrounding neighbourhood of the Monarch Sanctuary or the hotels, and we were unable to prevent 00:45:47
a private residence from removing a windbreak tree, so I'd like to see us planting. 00:45:54
And taking care of George Washington and expanding our monarch habitat. 00:46:02
Thank you very much. 00:46:06
Thank you. 00:46:10
Any other? 00:46:12
Hands raised. 00:46:12
Next we have the Dixie Land. 00:46:14
Good afternoon. 00:46:20
I just wanted to share some information with the last speaker that in fact that the. 00:46:22
For as long as I can remember. 00:46:29
Growing up and up into the I guess 70s I, we lived across the street from. 00:46:32
George Washington Park, and in fact. 00:46:38
The monarchs did. 00:46:41
Cluster in George Marsh Washington Park there was an area. 00:46:42
Umm. 00:46:46
Kind of where the. 00:46:48
Baseball field was built. 00:46:49
But not exactly in that spot that where they. 00:46:51
Clustered and. 00:46:57
In those earlier years there, the councillor as high as 300,000 in George Washington Park, so they. 00:46:59
Enjoyed George Washington Park, but then we started making at a park and adding. 00:47:09
Picnic. 00:47:16
Tables and children's playgrounds. And worst of all, the BBQ pits because the smoke chased them out and they found a habitat that 00:47:17
some of them could. 00:47:22
Umm. 00:47:27
Survive in which is where they come now. 00:47:28
But we continue to try and make that a park now instead of. 00:47:33
All those trees that they're talking about that were planned and they want to take some out because there were too many. Well, 00:47:37
those 70. 00:47:40
2 trees or 74 trees that we planned it. 00:47:44
There was five or six of us, along with some city staff, that helped us dig the holes. 00:47:48
We dug those hills and put them in. 00:47:53
Where we were. 00:47:55
Um. 00:47:59
I told to put them. 00:48:01
And so if they're too close together or they're too many in one spot or something. 00:48:02
That was an Allen Stew thing. I don't remember exactly who. 00:48:06
Put them in there, but they've also brought in. 00:48:12
Plants that are not even. 00:48:15
Native to the area, let alone to nature, they've got some hybrids that they brought in, particularly in the. 00:48:19
Eucalyptus family. 00:48:26
And anyway. 00:48:28
I think that we need to. 00:48:30
Relook at. 00:48:32
What we're doing and and get a better plan because everything that's been done there has been directed but at their direction and 00:48:34
we've just been the little worker bees, the volunteers in there. So hopefully we'll take some more time and just not rush this. 00:48:42
Plan through as we have in the last few years or many years I guess now. 00:48:50
So and and have go back to the way we used to do it when we used to have city. 00:48:55
You know, community meetings and and. 00:49:01
And work it through. 00:49:04
So thank you for listening. 00:49:05
Have a good day. 00:49:08
Thank you. 00:49:12
Any other comma? 00:49:15
Next up we have Kim. 00:49:18
Thank you. Of course I'm going to Ditto what my husband Tom said. 00:49:22
But also, I just wanted to mention that we did see quite a few butterflies in George Washington Park this past season. I saw that 00:49:28
it was a zero on the count there. 00:49:32
But there were butterflies there. 00:49:37
And the area of the magic circle. 00:49:40
We hope to bring back where the butterflies used to be. 00:49:43
In greater numbers. 00:49:47
And I just wanted to make a comment about the one. 00:49:49
Dead tree. Not the tree that's come down in the sanctuary, but the other dead tree standing. 00:49:53
That they talk about making a snag or? 00:49:59
Whatever they decide to do on that tree, and for that one, you know, whatever, safe. 00:50:02
In that particular area. 00:50:07
And and whatever they want to do, but I just want to. 00:50:11
You know, let people know that those kinds of trees that look. 00:50:14
Dead like that, or actually used quite a bit by Raptors. 00:50:18
We see it almost on a daily basis. And George Washington Park, they don't go to the full thick trees. 00:50:23
They use those really scraggly ones. 00:50:30
So that they can see everything from high up and scan around. 00:50:32
We have multiple photographs. 00:50:36
Of the Raptors using those particular trees. 00:50:38
So if. 00:50:42
You decide to cut it down, I would at least leave it as a snag. 00:50:43
For other animals in there. But just know that in other places like George Washington Park, those particular trees are used quite 00:50:48
a bit. 00:50:52
Thank you. 00:50:56
Any other hands raised? 00:51:02
No further interest. Thank you. 00:51:04
OK, so we can open up to discussion. 00:51:06
In our. 00:51:10
I do have just a couple. 00:51:11
Clarification, George. I don't know if you can answer it, but it was brought up that. 00:51:14
The removal of the eucalyptus wasn't recommended by Fish and Wildlife is that. 00:51:18
Something that's like when Fish and Wildlife reviews the report. Where are those final recommendations? 00:51:23
Because we just see the report now and we discuss them in the community gets to see it, but it's ultimately. 00:51:28
Fish and Wildlife, that is deciding on what actions can and cannot be taken, correct? 00:51:34
More or less correct. Last year we received a letter from Fish and Wildlife saying that the Management Act suggested management 00:51:39
actions were. 00:51:42
In line with the requirements of the concert conservation easement, and they did not go into further detail. 00:51:47
In any sort of official correspondence they just said these management actions are in line with our requirements and and so that 00:51:53
being said, the representative of Fish and Wildlife does come usually to either the public walk through or if he's unavailable or 00:52:00
she's unavailable at that time, to just an alternate date to walk through with staff. 00:52:07
And so I think a lot of the times it's just a kind of a verbal. 00:52:14
Discussion at the walk through and that results in them kind of giving a stamp of approval through a letter saying they approve. 00:52:19
OK. Thank you for that clarification. Second one, capital improvement project for the fence, wasn't that approved or no? 00:52:25
That was not approved now. 00:52:33
OK. The management plan, possibility of redoing a management plan? 00:52:35
Was part of a grant that went toward to the WCB Wildlife Conservation Board in Sacramento. And that. 00:52:40
Big block grant did pass and so there's there is some money upwards of $20 million going to all the RCD specifically for 00:52:47
pollinator habitat. 00:52:53
And some of that money, about $150,000. 00:52:59
Is earmarked for our area. 00:53:02
But it's not yet at our disposal. It's controlled by the Monterey County RCD. So we have hope that. 00:53:05
We can use, with their cooperation some of that money. 00:53:13
For the fence, but City Council did not approve the CIP for the fence, but there are potential funds available for the pollination 00:53:16
pollinator garden as well as the fence through that. 00:53:21
Correct, yes. 00:53:26
Do you have? Do you know when we might learn or? 00:53:27
I don't have a timeline, sorry. OK. 00:53:30
Thank you. 00:53:34
OK. I guess I'll start. 00:53:39
I kind of have a lot to say, so I think we can all agree that the Monarch Sanctuary and George Washington Park are sacred 00:53:41
treasures to our community. 00:53:45
And an important and a greater than us ecosystem that requires special care and considerations. 00:53:50
I think we all want these places kept safe and my computer just went down and careful to be careful within them to the best of our 00:53:57
abilities and knowledge. This conflict that I feel comes from disagreements on how things should be done often. But we have 00:54:03
volunteers we have. 00:54:10
Citizen scientists we have paid employees from the museum in the city, on the ground, studying, working daily. 00:54:17
Within these two parks, we have generational land historians who can tell us at times before us and what's been done. We have PhD 00:54:24
studied individuals who give their educated advice and predictions. 00:54:30
And we all have to try to come together. 00:54:36
To make these decisions on this very important land and habitat to this internationally endangered species. 00:54:39
Which sounds like it's going to be making the federal endangered species list as well. 00:54:47
I feel like there's a very important person or persons that are missing from this conversation that's actually like a Forest 00:54:54
manager and I've been kind of pitching that for the last few months, but. 00:54:58
Someone who's knowledgeable in our special needs of our environment, I think is a is a person that we need to find for our city. 00:55:03
Otherwise we're just kind of kicking water uphill a lot. But until then, we do have to do our best to work together and hopefully 00:55:10
come to a balanced conclusion. So I agree with a lot of what was stated in the Monarch or for the sanctuary. 00:55:17
Within the Creekside document. 00:55:25
I definitely. We walked through Andre and I walked through the park yesterday and really took a hard look at it. I think that 00:55:28
planting more net native nectar bearing plants and carefully caring for the plants that they're there, I didn't understand prior 00:55:34
to today's conversation that. 00:55:40
Those pollinator plants, new ones, can't be planted until the fencing is constructed. 00:55:47
Um, so that's kind of concerning to me. So even more important for us to carefully care for the plants that are there. 00:55:54
Umm. 00:56:01
Can keep obviously continued care for the native trees that are there and coming up on their own. 00:56:02
The removal of hazardous debris and the slash behind that chain linked fence, that is. 00:56:06
Hazardous. 00:56:11
And careful remover removal of the dry invasive grasses and dead and dying trees, of course. 00:56:13
But I I do want to know. I think the city should have the same responsibility as as the public on and private residents do looking 00:56:19
at tree removal. And I didn't really see an arborist report regarding the health of any of these trees that are in question to 00:56:24
come down. 00:56:30
Umm. 00:56:35
Maybe that can happen during the walkthrough that can be pointed out. 00:56:37
So my plan concerns on this. Suggestions, I suppose is that it seems like it's a hiatus on planting but liberal cutting agenda. 00:56:41
And I'd like to see a more conservative, balanced approach happening. Thinning and cutting, cutting and bucking. This is kind of 00:56:50
where my. 00:56:54
History of past comes in the best times of year is usually to do that in forestry is the winter and early spring when trees are 00:56:59
dormant. Now I understand that our monarchs are here during that time, but. 00:57:05
Kind of wondering if like maybe that part of the plan could happen, like maybe after the monarchs have left. 00:57:11
Or we could at least consider what that looks like then. 00:57:18
So it would be more logical in my mind to do a spring cleaning. 00:57:22
So to speak. 00:57:29
I'm for keeping those larger trees down as nursery logs and they naturally degrade and help the forest floor and habitat for other 00:57:31
wildlife and invertebrates. 00:57:36
And it helps keep human population from further meandering in, as well as works as some wind barriers. 00:57:42
Umm. 00:57:48
And then I have some concerns about the irrigation and watering schedule within George Washington Park. I am. 00:57:50
A volunteer on the ground in George Washington Park, about five days a week. I live across the street, so it's pretty easy for me 00:57:55
to get there. I do water with the watering truck often. It's kind of an organic process where we look at the trees and we see if 00:58:01
they're stressed. If we they've got a lot of water on the ground. 00:58:07
Right now we're kind of just watering this, the little baby seedlings that are coming up lightly with like, watering buckets. 00:58:14
So I think it's more of an organic process than a needs to be on a spreadsheet saying every two weeks we're doing deep watering, 00:58:22
Umm I? 00:58:26
I feel like it's working. I am not the scientist behind that that knows best, but I can say that as a volunteer on the ground, the 00:58:30
health trees are healthy and they seem to be thriving. 00:58:37
Um, to address George Washington Park. I feel that it's a A20 acre viable overwintering location. 00:58:43
And that we should be looking at that as a positive larger scale direction. We have this unique opportunity with a natural 00:58:52
Monterey pine forest where monitors once overwintered in large quantities it sounds like from Dixie. 00:58:59
And I see this as an opportunity to assist in its revival that's already occurring within George Washington Park. In early August, 00:59:07
we counted 403 Monarch. 00:59:12
I'm sorry, Monterey pine sprouts, and we've been marking them and caring for them. We've got about somewhere about 236, I think, 00:59:19
Tom said. Planted Monterey Pines that are thriving with our volunteer help. 00:59:24
Native wildflowers and plants have made an impressive comeback this year with hopes of their seeds and bulbs that they've given 00:59:30
enough nutrients to show come back in the years to come. And just like the Monarch Sanctuary, I think a sensible, mindful working 00:59:36
plan is necessary for George Washington Park, independent from the Monarch Sanctuary. 00:59:43
But working in tandem as kind of a sister site together is a sound way forward in my opinion. My hope is that these two parks 00:59:50
don't get lumped together because they are two different styles of park once a nation, a natural forest, and the other one is. 00:59:58
More designed. 01:00:07
Umm. 01:00:08
And but I think that they can work happily together. 01:00:09
So. 01:00:12
I guess I had some questions that have already sort of been answered. 01:00:14
But I was wondering, is there a? 01:00:18
A way that we could do incorporate a volunteer report in some of these reportings. I feel like there's so much action on the 01:00:23
ground with volunteers and I know that that would be one more volunteer effort is to. 01:00:29
Have somebody incorporate their work with the science of what they're doing into these. 01:00:36
Reports. 01:00:43
Is that an option or something that we could look forward to in the future? 01:00:45
I think that we always appreciate information and reports from volunteers and with that I don't think I can make any promises that 01:00:49
it would be included in this report depending on you know, but it would always be, it would always be considered and you know, we 01:00:55
meet monthly or more usually with the landscape volunteers. 01:01:01
Amy and myself. 01:01:07
Umm. 01:01:08
So it really all of the input that we can get, we're happy to receive. Awesome. I love that idea of incorporating. 01:01:09
More. 01:01:16
Information in these reports than just from one solo. 01:01:17
Person a lot of people have been talking tonight about this afternoon about a second opinion. I think that that would, you know, 01:01:22
bringing more voices into this would be valuable. 01:01:28
Umm. 01:01:34
I think that's kind of where I'm at with everything because a lot of things have been answered so far. 01:01:37
Umm. 01:01:42
I can go next. 01:01:43
Umm. 01:01:46
This morning I spoke with Dominic Syncopy. 01:01:47
Think that's how you say his last name. 01:01:52
And umm. 01:01:54
I wanted to speak with him because. 01:01:56
When I was involved with this before and it was so. 01:01:59
Awful. So Controversial. So. 01:02:05
Cantankerous. I don't know the right word that I saw. I would never get involved in this again. 01:02:09
But I wanted to. 01:02:16
Call him because. 01:02:17
At that time, there were the arguments of where do you plant the trees to block the wind? Where do you plant the trees so that it 01:02:19
doesn't interfere with the sun that we want for the nectar beds? And everybody had, it seemed a different opinion and what was 01:02:25
happening at that time was. 01:02:32
Climate change wasn't accepted as it is today, as a given. 01:02:39
And traditionally, the wind would come out of the northwest and cluck around to the South when we would have a winter storm and 01:02:44
that's how it was. And so Dominic said, well, but that's not what is happening. We're recognizing that. 01:02:50
And so he petitioned the City Council to get weather monitoring equipment so that he would know what day the wind was coming from 01:02:56
and what its speed was and and things like that. He had to go into the sanctuary and he did this for four years. 01:03:05
Every other day to replace the battery on that equipment and evidently gave reports to be NRC in 2021 in 2022. So he has a really 01:03:15
clear understanding of. 01:03:21
Um. 01:03:27
That science whereas. 01:03:30
Stuart Weiss takes his data from the Monterey Airport. So when he's saying plant the trees here because that's what the windbreak 01:03:32
is needed. 01:03:36
Those. 01:03:40
Wind calculations come from the Monterey airport. They don't come from the sanctuary locally. 01:03:41
And. 01:03:48
Umm. 01:03:50
Right now the. 01:03:51
I guess the equipment got trashed in the winter storms, so. 01:03:53
Anyway, umm. 01:03:59
Also, I think he's probably kind of burned out, but. 01:04:01
Umm. 01:04:06
It would have been great to be able to get electricity to that. It would be nice to have that data continuing. I just talked with 01:04:08
them this morning. I didn't have a chance to read. 01:04:13
The 2021-2022 reports, I think that would be. 01:04:19
Enlightening, but essentially, when he was there every other day, he's like. 01:04:24
The monarchs cluster on those little eucalyptus trees when we had the Super severe storms. 01:04:29
This winter. 01:04:37
They. 01:04:38
Went away from their preferred eucalyptus trees and went to the center of the sanctuary, where. 01:04:40
The Pine and Cypress are, but they did that because they were trying to get as much protection as they could. So evidently, with 01:04:48
Monarchs, protection is the name of the game. Protection from the wind. 01:04:54
And so you don't treat it like you would a garden where you want one tree that grows beautifully. You want a crowded mess that 01:05:00
will block the wind and keep them. 01:05:06
Safe. 01:05:13
So. 01:05:14
He did not support the recommendations to remove the trees. 01:05:15
And he found that when you have one person coming in. 01:05:26
And looking at the Sanctuary once you can't really get. 01:05:31
A full picture. 01:05:34
Of what's needed. 01:05:35
He also cited, as Clemencia Macias did the Kingston loom. 01:05:40
He at the time he wrote the report for us. 01:05:47
He was a scientific researcher and now he's a professor emeritus at Cal Poly, and he recommended that. 01:05:50
You shaped? 01:05:58
Cluster of eucalyptus be planted at the center of the sanctuary and I said where was the opening of the you and he said it was 01:06:02
facing South and I guess that was based on. 01:06:07
Umm. 01:06:14
Where the wind comes from? 01:06:21
The least. 01:06:23
And that's called Zone 2, evidently that center portion, but anyway. 01:06:25
Also, I wanted to point out that Stuart Weiss is a conservation biologist, not a forester, and I agree with Commissioner Walking 01:06:37
Stick that I think there should be some kind of. 01:06:43
Arborist report filled out according to the The way you'd have to get a permit if you wanted to take a tree down. 01:06:50
In your own yard. 01:06:59
Just to have some justification, is the tree really hazardous? Is the tree really dead? 01:07:01
And then I would appreciate it so much if the DNRC could be Privy to the communications with the Fish and Wildlife, because it's 01:07:08
my understanding and it comes to us. 01:07:12
And then it goes to Fish and Wildlife. So if we could just be kept in the loop. 01:07:17
Umm. 01:07:21
With that communication. 01:07:22
And then also, I just wanted to say I thought it was so cool. It was Dominick's and Crovie that set up the tree plantings with the 01:07:27
Boy Scouts. And I think it would just be really uncool to take those planted trees, even if they're skinny, even if they're not 01:07:33
doing that great. 01:07:38
And cut them down at this point because you know how it is when you're up, you plant the tree and you want to come back and see 01:07:44
how it's growing and say I planted that tree and. 01:07:49
You know, if there's no reason really to take them out, I think they should stay. 01:07:53
That's all I got. 01:08:00
Search thanks for your presentation. I do have some questions. It's kind of a mess because I've been. 01:08:08
Writing so much so I think I'll just start with. 01:08:14
Kind of timing issues. 01:08:18
Do we have flexibility on when we receive the report from Creekside? 01:08:20
Like can, do you think they can do it? Give it to us earlier? Can they crank the data? 01:08:26
And we get the report earlier. It seems to me that we're kind of like rushing. 01:08:31
You know, before the monarchs come in. 01:08:35
Commission member Bryson. 01:08:40
My understanding. 01:08:42
Some of the data that's used in the report trickles in from other overwintering sites and from general trends in California. 01:08:44
And while around we we always call it kind of April 1st as the the end date for when the monarchs tend to migrate. 01:08:50
We often have stragglers and usually from since I've been here the we get the report in July. 01:08:58
It's it's on the August meeting. So I think it's always something we can request, but I can't make any promises or you know, speak 01:09:05
for Stu as to what how much earlier he would be able to produce it. 01:09:10
Also, you know, it's been noted that you know he's not here every day and part of that is because he is. 01:09:16
Advising and consulting on overwintering sites up and down the coast. 01:09:24
So I don't think that this is the only report he's making so. 01:09:29
Yeah, that's I think that is a great question that anyone is welcome to bring up to him in person at the walk through. And it's 01:09:34
one that I'm happy to ask him myself also because I'm curious too. 01:09:39
Thank you. 01:09:44
Thank you. So we you got the report done maybe July usually is it, is there a way we can see it earlier? 01:09:45
This year I got in mid-july and yeah, I don't think there's a problem with that. 01:09:52
Just because it's an awful lot of information. 01:09:57
And that would be great. Thank you. Let me see. 01:10:01
See what else I have here. 01:10:04
I also for me, I think it would be helpful. I don't know if we have something like a timeline of kind of what is going on kind of 01:10:09
a year at the Sanctuary. 01:10:14
And a timeline, a more detailed timeline of what's going on like. 01:10:19
With the volunteers, with the data collection, I just learned today that I think data collection is twice a week. 01:10:24
During the season the Monarch season to clarify that the Zorses Society for Invertebrate Invertebrate Conservation orchestrates 01:10:31
to. 01:10:36
Large surveys where they. 01:10:43
Call up volunteers through all of California and try their best to count every single clustered monarch so people wake up at. 01:10:46
You know the the dark of the morning. Get out there. Go tree by tree, branch by branch, butterfly, butterfly, and groups of four 01:10:53
or five or. 01:10:57
You know, three or four, so they can all sort of. 01:11:01
Cross check each other's numbers. 01:11:04
We have a team at the Natural History Museum consisting of staff and volunteers that are Zorses trained to submit all their data 01:11:06
to Jerseys and take part in those two big counts, the Thanksgiving count. 01:11:11
And the New Year's count? 01:11:17
And that's data that can be compared to overwintering sites all throughout California. 01:11:20
But in addition, our group. 01:11:23
Goes out there just about every week. 01:11:25
Just usually on Fridays they're out there counting at the sanctuary. 01:11:27
Every single week, barring inclement weather. 01:11:32
So if it's raining on Friday, they'll be there on Saturday. So they have data at the museum. 01:11:35
For you know weekly data from when the they start clustering until the clusters are gone. 01:11:40
Yeah, that's. 01:11:46
Really impressive. I'm actually hoping to count this year, so I also would like if we could be included maybe in the. 01:11:47
Site Visits How often does Stuart Weiss visit our site? 01:11:55
On average. 01:12:02
Definitely multiple times a year. In conjunction with staff and I, I would venture that he visits on his own also. 01:12:04
But I'm not even aware of every single time he's there, OK? 01:12:12
Because I would love to actually try to get. 01:12:16
I would love to know when those are occurring. 01:12:19
And join you. 01:12:21
OK, great. 01:12:22
Umm. 01:12:24
OK. 01:12:26
Can you also just clarify for me the? 01:12:27
Monterey County Resource Conservation District. Is that just for funding? 01:12:31
Or is that kind of a management issue as well? 01:12:37
So the Monterey County Resource Conservation District District is part of a statewide network of. 01:12:41
RCD's or resource conservation districts. 01:12:49
And they do a variety of work. 01:12:52
Supporting pollinators being one of them. 01:12:55
So. 01:12:57
The that group? The California Resource Conservation Districts. 01:12:59
Applied for a grant to support pollinator habitats. 01:13:03
And. 01:13:08
As part of that. 01:13:10
Grant that they applied for and we worked with them to craft the language and submit that application, it included. 01:13:11
Potential money for our area and our sanctuary in our city. 01:13:17
So I think our relationship to them is just working with them to get that grant money and now we're working with them to. 01:13:23
Kind of facilitate how it's spent. 01:13:30
Thank you for that clarification. 01:13:33
Let me see what else I might have here. 01:13:37
Have a lot of crosses out because some questions were answered. I do also support. 01:13:41
Having George Washington Park. 01:13:49
Included more fully really, as a sister sanctuary for monarchs. 01:13:52
It seems to me from a conservation. 01:13:57
Uh. 01:14:01
Perspective that we really don't want all our eggs in one basket. So I would also like to see more. 01:14:02
Attention put on George Washington Park. 01:14:10
Umm. 01:14:14
OK, I think additionally. 01:14:16
We, Christine and I, had a meeting with the. 01:14:20
Museum. 01:14:24
And. 01:14:26
We were discussing a Community Monarch Sanctuary outreach presentation. 01:14:27
And in the next month or two? 01:14:33
So basically reaching out to. 01:14:35
Neighbors of both George Washington Park. 01:14:39
The Monarch Sanctuary and the public. 01:14:44
Kind of giving an idea of. 01:14:48
Things that we can do to support monarchs, right, And things that maybe we don't want to do. So that's something that I'll need to 01:14:50
speak to you and and we'll have to work out a date with them for that, but I think that would be a really great endeavor. 01:14:58
Thank you. 01:15:07
I have one last edition in my notes. I forgot I I'd like to. 01:15:11
Request or suggest that we have two updates a year. 01:15:17
I know that these are a lot. 01:15:23
I totally get it, but one in the spring and then one in the fall I think would be really. 01:15:24
I think advantageous to our situation, I think in the fall we could discuss what efforts need to be taken in the spring in the 01:15:31
sanctuary and you know any kind of cleanup that needs to be done from what's happened and then in the spring we can discuss what 01:15:36
might needs to be achieved just prior to our. 01:15:41
Arrival of the monarchs and then? 01:15:46
You know. 01:15:49
I don't know. I I feel like. 01:15:51
Again, this is a lot all at once and I know this is a lot for the city as well, but if we could like talk about. 01:15:53
These updates twice a year. 01:16:02
As a suggestion. 01:16:04
Any other thoughts? 01:16:11
I just have one. I don't know. I mean, I sort of see this. 01:16:13
Every year happening and these seem to be very specific recommendations of what the city should do, sort of like. 01:16:16
Immediate things that and we've heard some reasons for and against and so I think that. 01:16:22
Ultimately. 01:16:28
You know, the pollination is really important as well as thinking about the trees. I'm not a forest or some. I'm not gonna speak 01:16:30
to removing or leaving those trees. I don't. 01:16:34
I don't know the answer to that, but I do think a lot of. 01:16:38
The discussions that's happening around this is also we're thinking we we we have so much uncertainty around the changing climate. 01:16:41
We all know this and it's happening and. 01:16:46
There's so many plans out there that are. 01:16:50
Coined Climate, Smart conservation and it. 01:16:53
Gets that, How do we predict the wind speed into the future? What does it look like? There's people that are many, including 01:16:56
including the society that does the counts that are. 01:17:00
Very much on top of this type of planning and so. 01:17:05
While this report has like adaptive management planning in there, it doesn't necessarily have climate smart planning, which 01:17:09
considers future conditions as well as. 01:17:13
Predictive models to say well, how much, how important it is to have a deep taproot versus a shallow, you know, like thinking 01:17:17
about this in forest management and beyond and so. 01:17:21
Just a plug for climate smart planning and conservation and working with partners. 01:17:27
That. 01:17:33
Have been doing this and I think doing it well and if anyone there's some examples out there. 01:17:34
That can be shared as well to just to kind of see what that looks like and how you can. 01:17:39
Even in terms of uncertainty, how you can kind of come together for a plan for that? 01:17:44
Not only protects for what's now, but also as forward thinking in addition to these immediate actions that are needed to make the 01:17:49
place safer. 01:17:53
And healthier for for the butterflies, so just wanted to mention that. 01:17:56
Any other thoughts? 01:18:01
OK. 01:18:07
All right. Thank you everyone for your comments and thoughts on Monarch Sanctuary. I will be out of town. 01:18:09
But hopefully many of you will enjoy the walk through. 01:18:15
OK. 01:18:18
So our next agenda item is the black oyster catcher MU which we discussed I believe it or last meeting. 01:18:19
And it. 01:18:26
Maybe George, you could just give us a summary of where it stands and. 01:18:27
Then open it up for public comment and then we can discuss. 01:18:33
Ugly. 01:18:37
So the draft Memorandum of Understanding between the Monterey Audubon. 01:18:39
That we look considered. 01:18:45
Couple of months ago. 01:18:46
Was reviewed by City Council, city, the city attorney or the assistant city attorney reviewed by staff. 01:18:48
And you're the recommendations of the NRC were considered? 01:18:54
And the result of that kind of in summary. 01:18:59
Not a not a lot of change. We've added a section. 01:19:02
Describing the negative effect of drone use and referencing the city ordinance banning any unpermitted drone use. 01:19:07
We have struck the. 01:19:15
Plastic mesh safety fencing. 01:19:19
As a considered protective measure to align with the city and the NRC's plastic reduction goals. 01:19:22
And otherwise it was just kind of procedural or language cleanup and a clarification of procedural responsibilities. So I would 01:19:28
say that the MU is. 01:19:32
Substantially similar to what you saw two months ago. 01:19:37
Great. Thanks George and thanks for everyone who's worked on. 01:19:43
Making that happen and he will open up for public comment. 01:19:46
Hi, everybody. My name is Amanda. I'm with the Monterey Audubon Society. As you might guess, since we sponsored this memorandum of 01:19:58
understanding, we definitely support the city adopting it. 01:20:05
We had an intern this summer and we were looking at sea surface temperatures and the effects on oyster catcher clutch size. 01:20:12
And fledging success, she was kind of bummed that there was no measurable effect. That's always something you want to look for 01:20:19
some you know, association that you can report. But then we did some kind of just. 01:20:25
Simple analysis on protected versus unprotected sites. 01:20:33
Which was in my mind of obviously has maybe a key factor and that was significant and that was something that she was saying oh, 01:20:37
we'll pursue this maybe in the fall semester and great presentation, so fun, but just super, super great to see that graphed out 01:20:44
that protective measures are just super important for Pacific growth Blackwater catchers specifically. We have some awesome 01:20:52
visitors coming to enjoy our coastline and they're inadvertently you know affecting these birds and. 01:20:59
Let me talk on this a little bit more, but just for this, this year and it's kind of standard, we're out of 14 pairs in Pacific 01:21:07
Grove Oyster Catcher pairs out on the rocks. 01:21:13
There were five being asked attempts, so you know, laid eggs, eggs were lost, try again. Or two. They didn't give up. 01:21:19
Mango's eggs hatched and then we have two that fledged one that's basically there. Two out of those three are at Hopkins Marine 01:21:27
Station, again in a protected space. So I think this is going to be really helpful, really. 01:21:34
Impactful for our local oyster catchers. So thanks for all you do and thanks for considering our Emory. 01:21:41
Thank you. 01:21:49
I'm Rick Hanks. Yeah, regional coordinator for the. 01:21:57
California Central Coast Blackwater Catcher Project. 01:22:01
Just came in from the field and we're going to go back out again. 01:22:04
Since this is done. 01:22:07
I just wanted to mention that you know George did a very quick and very good summary of what we did. But I want you know we took 01:22:10
your comments and we did incorporate those into the draft and we tied it in with city ordinances. So that was. 01:22:16
Cleaner that way. So that's done and we fully support it. 01:22:23
And again, I want to remind this has been in the middle for more than a couple of years. So it's good if we can get the keep it 01:22:27
moving well, we've got momentum. 01:22:31
And we're highly supportive of it. 01:22:35
Umm. 01:22:37
Yeah, this year looks like a better year for black Western catchers, which is good. It's been pretty bad for the last two years. 01:22:39
This year looks better. 01:22:42
But again. 01:22:46
The. 01:22:47
One of the things we find is that we have lower productivity where we have more people and guess we have more people and that's 01:22:49
specific growth. 01:22:52
So, but things do look a little better. 01:22:56
But that's not saying a lot. 01:22:59
So. 01:23:01
Hopefully we'll continue to. 01:23:02
Add things that will help with the protection of the lock oyster catcher and thanks for your attention. 01:23:04
Thank you. 01:23:11
Anyone else in the room? 01:23:12
Hands raised. 01:23:15
Online. 01:23:16
Yes, we will start with Kim. 01:23:20
Well, thank you, I actually. 01:23:31
Didn't know I had my hand up, but I'm going to speak on this anyway. 01:23:33
I fully support this. We could use all the help we can get in protecting our wildlife. 01:23:37
And these guys are out there monitoring them and watching them on daily basis. So any help that they can give to the city to 01:23:42
protect these really awesome birds and. 01:23:47
And I get to watch the ones at Hopkins Beach and it is incredible to see them. They're. 01:23:52
They're quite to. 01:23:57
Animated and the visitors absolutely love when you point those guys out, so. 01:23:59
Whatever we can do to help them would be greatly appreciated, so thank you. 01:24:04
Thank you. Any other answer is next we have Lisa Chiani. 01:24:11
Thank you. I appreciate the edits that have been made to improve the blood protection MU and I'm very pleased staff is 01:24:16
recommending that the NRC send this on to City Council for approval. Thank you for your time and consideration in support of these 01:24:23
amazing shore birds. I lived in La Jolla for 50 years, another California coastal community with extensive rocky shoreline and 01:24:31
pocket beaches, and I only ever saw one or two ploys there on rare occasions. 01:24:39
It's been such a treat here in PG, where I've lived for 12 years now, to discover the bloy project and so many great people who 01:24:47
love boys and to learn. 01:24:53
All the 17 are Stove Lloyd territories. 01:24:59
In PG. 01:25:03
And and. 01:25:05
I was so amazed when I moved here. I mean not only. 01:25:07
By the the boys and the numbers that I saw here. 01:25:12
But. 01:25:16
That there's so many people walking on the trail. 01:25:17
That. 01:25:20
That recognize their their calls and and recognize. 01:25:22
Them to see them even cause that. 01:25:27
Long red orange bill. 01:25:29
It's amazing how the the. 01:25:31
The birds can still disappear into the, in into the. 01:25:34
In her title. 01:25:39
Habitat out there. 01:25:42
There, of course, are many people who. 01:25:44
Have walked here for years. 01:25:47
And don't have a clue about the black oyster catchers but but they're they're very, very special here because. 01:25:48
We can see them. 01:25:58
So much more readily than than in other places and and and we do have a lot of. 01:25:59
A lot of good. 01:26:06
Habitat for them. 01:26:07
Although they certainly do have to compete with with the humans, but again, I just I appreciate that you have. 01:26:09
Have taken such an interest in this and and I'm really excited for it to finally. 01:26:21
Go on to council. 01:26:27
Thank you very much. 01:26:29
Thank you. Any other hands raised. 01:26:32
Next we have Inga, Lawrence and Dahmer. 01:26:35
Thank you. I just want to encourage you to please send this to City Council, get it adopted. I think it's wonderful. 01:26:39
I think it's needed. I think it's long overdue. 01:26:47
Thank you very much. 01:26:50
Thank you. Any other hands raised. 01:26:54
No further hands. 01:26:57
OK. 01:26:59
Aye. 01:27:00
I'm mostly curiosity and maybe Amanda or Rick, you can come up. So the. 01:27:01
The last graphic shows 18. 01:27:05
Territorial pairs. 01:27:09
And then in the document it says 17 nesting territory. Can you just like there's some language in there that I'm just trying to 01:27:11
understand the biology of. 01:27:15
Like what it? 01:27:19
How do those actually looks like 19 actually yellow boxes on that graph and then? 01:27:20
That what that means in just so I understand. 01:27:26
There are 18 territories we met. We monitor in the Pacific Grove, actually the entire coastline of Pacific Grove. 01:27:29
They vary a little bit, yeah. There's some very consistent, but we've found that those specific territories sometimes. 01:27:37
Oyster catchers come and go at parishes. Sometimes they're abandoned and they come back. 01:27:44
Other ones move in. 01:27:48
We've started with eight, we've now have 18 we monitor, so we've gone from just being a little bit to now we know what we have. 01:27:50
Umm. 01:27:58
And there's some very consistent ones, ones that are there all the time year round. 01:28:00
Ones that. 01:28:05
We seem to have them come back and we're not sure where they go, but they'll come back. 01:28:07
When it's nesting time, but mainly they're there year round. 01:28:12
And. 01:28:15
We even manage the ones that have been abandoned because they sometimes come back to those filled by some another. 01:28:18
They're looking for. 01:28:24
For territory, is this the density of territories you would expect? I'm just worried, if we put a number to it, are we living it 01:28:26
ourselves? No, no. It's like, what? Is that? What you would say would be what? 01:28:31
Which I think is wondering whether we wanted to put those numbers in there. Yeah, number does vary in there. I think it's fine. 01:28:37
OK, it it works OK, and if we needed to adjust it, that's a minor thing we can change. 01:28:42
Whenever we need to do that, but that's fine. I think that's a good working number and it should be that way, probably. 01:28:48
For the next, we're, we're, we're in the. 01:28:54
We are in the second year of a our 2nd, 10 year migraine, so I think for the next 8 years that should be fine. 01:28:57
Would it be worth adding in just, you know, 17 black oyster catcher nested territories along the coastline measured in? 01:29:04
2020. 01:29:11
What year is it 23? 01:29:13
Just be simple. That'd be easy way. Just keep saying 18 because 18 we've added this one in Monterey, yes. So 17 in Pacific Grove, 01:29:15
yes, yeah. 01:29:20
OK. 01:29:24
Just the thought, just so we don't limit ourselves to what recovery is consistent, one that seems to be a good one for us to 01:29:25
monitor. 01:29:29
So 17 is fine, but when you're good to make mention in 2023, yes. 01:29:34
Wait, don't go anywhere. 01:29:40
I'm a real practical person, so I need to know how this is going to work. 01:29:47
And when I go to. 01:29:51
Umm. 01:29:54
6. 01:29:55
2F. 01:29:56
It says that you are going to monitor the Black Oyster contesting activity and bring those needs and recommended actions to the 01:29:58
attention to city representative. 01:30:02
But then so it it sounds like you're down there and your volunteers are down there recognizing what's going on, recognizing what's 01:30:07
needed, and then you come to the city. 01:30:11
But then when I go to. 01:30:16
Under the breeding Season section. 01:30:22
Under 2A, it reads that the beloy experts will then take the action. So does that mean you guys are going to have access to the 01:30:26
city storage? 01:30:31
I just want to get really clear on how it's going to work. 01:30:38
That is a point I think they've followed originally when the city wasn't moving on this, I'm talking. 01:30:42
6-7 years ago and we actually started this. 01:30:47
The thing is that that. 01:30:51
Audubon volunteered at that time. 01:30:54
Said it's the city won't do it. We will, we will, said We they. 01:30:57
Audubon said they would do it well, just to be clear, I don't care. I just want to know that you guys have it hammered out and 01:31:01
that it's workable. My assumption is when we get together, we all figure out who does what. 01:31:07
OK. 01:31:13
And if the city doesn't have something and doesn't have it available, but Audubon can get it, what we'd like to do is let Audubon 01:31:14
do that, OK? 01:31:18
But as long as the city. 01:31:23
Says that's fine. 01:31:24
George, I don't know if you have any comments on that. 01:31:26
My understanding is that the majority of the protective barriers would be. 01:31:30
Erected by city personnel and that the city would hold the coastal development. 01:31:34
Waiver or permit necessary for that. 01:31:38
So he calls you. Then you were under the shed. 01:31:41
For some reason they don't have it. We can go get it quicker than the city do that. Mainly we're talking about a cables and signs. 01:31:45
We should have those available. OK, Most of those should be the common thing. 01:31:51
And want to add, we don't use it too often because we don't have a whole lot of nesting directly on city property. 01:31:57
But when we do, that's when we need protection. 01:32:04
OK. And when we haven't, that's when we've lost in this. 01:32:06
OK, OK. 01:32:09
All right then just. 01:32:11
Umm. 01:32:14
And then are you comfortable? 01:32:15
Because I was thinking there should be a a. 01:32:18
A2 I added. That would say, OK, these measures were taken. Are they working? 01:32:21
Umm. 01:32:29
But then I read that you're going to meet at the end of the season to kind of discuss all that. It just seems to me that because 01:32:30
George might for some reason move away. 01:32:35
And then where's a log or something for the city to reflect back on? About what? 01:32:40
Worked and what didn't work. So I think something, some kind of a log needs to be kept, if that's possible. A good idea what we're 01:32:46
in, because what we're talking about in this in the process is that this is something we will look and learn on and learn each 01:32:52
year and add on to. Umm, it doesn't change what we have as the basic part of the protocol. It just helps enhance how we deal with 01:32:58
that. OK, adding a log would be it. 01:33:04
What I want to avoid is it becoming so bureaucratic. 01:33:11
That. 01:33:14
Yeah, yeah, it's it's already really long. Yeah. I spent 40 years with bureaucracy, so. 01:33:15
After that, I wanted to make sure things were covered, but now I'm concerned about being too bureaucratic. OK, well, I I know I 01:33:23
ran a sailing school and I had teenage employees. And so it was like, this is your duty checklist. This is the order you do it in, 01:33:29
and this is what exactly you're going to do. So that's where my mind goes. 01:33:36
But then the other, the only other thing is I wanted to make sure that the volunteer expertise was tapped. So there's a lot of 01:33:42
sections here where it's like, and the three people will meet and the three people will meet it. I think it would behoove all of 01:33:48
us to at least have one meeting where the staff and the volunteers get to meet. 01:33:54
So that you know this person can say I'm monitor pair #14 and we are at exactly maybe walk it with staff that was just going to be 01:34:01
internally we do have, we do have a beginning of the year and end of the year. 01:34:07
Meeting or now we're going to zooms with all with the. 01:34:15
The volunteers add that we have over 40 volunteers in the whole project, which more than. 01:34:18
Well, now we're dozen of them. Over two dozen of them are in Pacific Grove. 01:34:26
So. 01:34:30
I don't know if we want two dozen. 01:34:31
Folks getting together, but we get the input all the time and. 01:34:33
They're not reluctant to tell me if they. 01:34:38
Want to see something? 01:34:41
OK. I guess I was thinking I would just like to see that relationship a little bit more with the cities just in case you go away 01:34:42
on a trip or you get sick. It's like like to coordinate every so everybody's used to familiar with each other used to talking with 01:34:48
each other. We looked at having always something to back up the I have I have two we have two-part time biologists are in the 01:34:54
project. 01:35:01
And do I have a? 01:35:07
City. 01:35:09
Liaison person who really is mainly my backup and we have mandate mandates full time. 01:35:10
Audubon employee and all of us. 01:35:17
Communicate with each other. 01:35:21
Well, OK. 01:35:22
Alright then. Thank you so much. 01:35:24
Thank you. 01:35:28
Oh, oh wait, wait. 01:35:30
I did. I had one other comment. 01:35:31
In the in the other provisions B. 01:35:33
The termination I think it should. 01:35:37
I think all three parties should have to agree on the termination. I don't think one party should be able to terminate it. 01:35:41
By the way, really, we did that with what we had times we weren't necessarily all agreeing with each other. 01:35:51
And we had one party and I will say here that was a city that was wanted an option to be able to get out of the. 01:35:57
If they didn't like what we were doing. 01:36:04
That was. 01:36:07
A number of years ago. 01:36:08
Well, I think you need to. 01:36:14
I think you need to be able to let one party get out of an agreement. 01:36:16
OK. 01:36:20
I defer to you, Miss Attorney. 01:36:21
OK. 01:36:23
And that's that's not an unusual thing that's that's a normal thing in agreements at least having the part any party that wanted 01:36:24
to get out of an agreement particularly when we're dealing with as a memorandum of understanding. 01:36:30
That it, it's a. 01:36:35
It's not a it's a contract, but not a real contract. 01:36:38
It's an agreement. 01:36:42
And it's not it's above memory agreement because the council signs at all. But in that kind of a I've, I've worked on dozens and 01:36:44
dozens of these. 01:36:48
Umm. 01:36:52
As I I I managed the California Coastal National Monument for. 01:36:54
Over 11 years. 01:36:58
With the. 01:36:59
More than almost 50. 01:37:01
MOUS. 01:37:04
And every one of them gave the party an option to get out one party. 01:37:05
So. 01:37:09
OK. 01:37:11
I hope that doesn't happen here. Good thing to bring up, but not unusual. Thank you for that. 01:37:11
Anybody else before we go? 01:37:17
Why are you guys? You're making me look bad. 01:37:22
Chair McKenna. If I can just take a second to express my personal and on behalf of the city's appreciation for what? 01:37:24
Amanda and Rick do for the black oyster catchers, along with other shore birds and migratory birds. 01:37:30
And just how cooperative they've been in patient through this process and educating other staff and myself taking us on tours of 01:37:35
the coastline. 01:37:40
Introducing us to nesting pairs and working with us through this process. 01:37:45
And I think with the memorandum, I'm standing in place. 01:37:52
It would be great if this is a venue where we could come back and have annual discussions about how it went and what, you know, 01:37:56
this would we could put it on a presentation at some point. 01:38:01
To hear about it so. 01:38:06
Once it's signed, I think that would be. 01:38:08
OK. 01:38:10
Umm. 01:38:12
I just want to say I think it's really exciting. 01:38:14
To be on the verge of adopting this and I I think we are seeing great collaboration here so. 01:38:18
I personally think we should be. 01:38:26
Moving forward with this, it sounds like the city is happy. It sounds like Audubon's happy. I will admit I'm happy. 01:38:29
And I I I really think it is exciting to be on the verge of adopting this. I also really appreciate George. 01:38:37
Umm. 01:38:44
You were? 01:38:46
Momentum on this and bringing it to us, bringing it back so quickly, it really did not stall at all. So I just want to say a 01:38:47
heartfelt thank you, I think, for many of us. 01:38:52
I also think that this is an adaptive management plan. I think we can work on this. I think it benefits it's it's completely win, 01:38:59
win. I mean it's win, win and win for the black oyster catcher. 01:39:06
And I think this takes the burden from the city. 01:39:15
Some burden from the city and puts it more into expert hands. I think it can be. 01:39:19
Difficult when we ask. 01:39:24
That's the city for all of these. 01:39:27
Things. I also think it supports the California. 01:39:29
Coastal act so. 01:39:33
I personally AM. 01:39:35
Ready to make a motion, but maybe someone else has something to say. 01:39:37
OK, I guess my motion would be recommending adoption of the Black Oyster Catcher MOU. 01:39:43
I guess I can leave it at that or saying that it starts. 01:39:52
Effective. 01:39:56
Now, effective 2024, we Commissioner reason the recommendation would be to to recommend that Council. 01:39:59
Approves. Thank you. 01:40:06
Thank you for clarifying. So recommendation that Council approves. 01:40:08
The black oyster catcher MOU. 01:40:14
I second. 01:40:18
All in favor. 01:40:20
Aye. 01:40:21
Any opposed? 01:40:23
Motion passes. 01:40:25
Thank you all. All right. So up next is our the Wildlife Subcommittee has put together. 01:40:28
Draft recommendations for the website. There's more to come, but we really focused in. If you've looked at the website recently, 01:40:35
there's lots of different headings there, but one of them is. 01:40:40
Leisure And there was an opportunity to add a tab in there that really speaks to the wildlife. It was, I forget it was kind of 01:40:45
buried. 01:40:49
Under Animal, I don't remember, but if you look at it now, what it looks like now, but it would be it more prominent as an 01:40:54
opportunity for someone visiting the city to be able to. 01:40:58
Learn about wildlife here and what actions that they can take. When we wrote it, we did try and keep it as positive messaging as 01:41:04
possible, following lots of recommendations out there of how to engage with the public. 01:41:09
To take action so. 01:41:15
I I don't know there's subcommittees can add more background, but that's a little bit of background to where we were going with 01:41:17
this. And also some of this might be repeated in like the resident section as well too. So the amount of feedback we get now would 01:41:22
benefit some of the other. 01:41:27
Parts of the website that we have ideas on as well too, so I'll just let the other subcommittee members speak if they have 01:41:33
anything else to add. 01:41:36
OK. 01:41:45
Maybe they think that. 01:41:46
I really love this. I really love doing this. I really think this is important. It was my first time ever working on a Google 01:41:55
Document. 01:41:58
Umm. 01:42:02
The the like. 01:42:03
Itchy feeling I have is that. 01:42:06
I feel like it reads a little bit like a list of to dos and to not dos and. 01:42:10
Everything I know about engaging the public like this is under leisure. So if you're on vacation. 01:42:17
Would you want to read? 01:42:24
The list of dos and don'ts. Or would you rather like have a little bit of a grabbing, enticing like story? So what I'd really like 01:42:26
to hear from the public is if you like it the way it is, or if you would like it to be a little bit more like an interpretive, 01:42:36
what do you call them an A nature interpreter where you provide them with like the zone for the harbor seals and they can like. 01:42:45
Play with that. 01:42:57
So. 01:42:59
That was the only. 01:43:00
Wondering I had. Thank you. 01:43:02
OK. 01:43:07
Yeah. So I guess the other thing in there, you'll notice too, and it is a little dry with all of the city ordinances in there as 01:43:09
well too, but it was a place where I think some of us found that. 01:43:13
Uh. 01:43:19
There's a lot on our city ordinances related to wildlife and this was an opportunity to pull that together as well. So they're all 01:43:20
LinkedIn, that document as well. 01:43:24
All right. We'll open up for public comment. 01:43:29
Any hands raised. 01:43:34
Yes. 01:43:36
We will start with Tom Eggman. 01:43:45
I think you just a very quick and simple contact. 01:43:51
Or comment. 01:43:55
When you get down in that plan, I I think it's a good plan. I think it's a great start. 01:43:56
And but when you get down in the plan for harbor, more harbor seal information. 01:44:01
You suggest going to the PG Museum website. 01:44:06
I don't think that's going to be the best source of harbor seal information locally or or or elsewhere. 01:44:11
I would recommend going to the Marine Mammal Center website. 01:44:18
They seemed to have the simplest, clearest and most. 01:44:23
Direct information on harbor seals that we've been able to find. 01:44:27
Online at this point, so. 01:44:32
That's the only thing I'd have to say. Thank you. 01:44:34
Thank you. 01:44:40
Any other hands raised? 01:44:41
Now, Lisa, Johnny. 01:44:42
Thank you. 01:44:45
Umm. 01:44:46
This is such a great idea to get wildlife information easily accessible on the city's homepage. 01:44:47
And the text is beautifully and engagingly written. 01:44:55
So. 01:44:59
And. 01:45:00
I think it. 01:45:01
Yeah. 01:45:03
Sorry I'm stumbling here because. 01:45:03
Umm. 01:45:06
Yeah, what I want to say, and I mean Tom Smith said This too is. 01:45:07
This is a start. 01:45:12
Because the cities website is not. 01:45:14
The greatest it has, It has some issues and but but this is fabulous to be starting. 01:45:18
Just getting good information on there and it really is so well written. 01:45:26
So I just have many Many thanks. 01:45:33
To the wildlife subcommittee members. 01:45:36
Thank you and. 01:45:42
Yeah, go ahead. 01:45:43
Hey, again, it's Amanda Priest from Monterey Audubon. And yes, also agree that it's a great idea, always good to get this 01:45:49
information out to people from whatever avenues that we, you know, we might they might click and find it. I'm not sure if the city 01:45:56
of PG has like a tourism website. I know, see, Monterey is a really big one. And some of our local wildlife disturbance buddies in 01:46:03
the community have kind of been pushing that. They have some cool signs on buses now that say like. 01:46:10
Adore responsibly or something with a sea Otter. So they're kind of trying to work in like wildlife. 01:46:17
Respecting wildlife as part of the tourism industry. So I think this is a really good move. You could certainly this is already a 01:46:24
lot already on your plate but if the the. 01:46:28
PG Tourism Chamber of Commerce folks have a website people go to. They could just link to the city website where you've got all 01:46:33
this great information gathered. 01:46:37
I was going to say in my experience people often I've had people e-mail and say the one that they found an injured animal that 01:46:42
might be something to have near the top. That seems to be something people in a crisis, they're like. 01:46:48
You know they don't realize SPCA is a wildlife place. That's where you take injured wildlife to the SPCA for Monterey County. Some 01:46:55
might be something to put near the top that then can maybe look past all the fun information and go right to where you have all 01:47:01
those helpful members at the bottom. So just a a tip that I've people have found those same numbers on our Audubon website 01:47:07
randomly. You just never know where people are going to find this when they're searching in a crisis. 01:47:13
And and also real quick, kind of like the harbor seal thing, the aquarium is a great option for southern sea otters, but there's 01:47:20
another group called Sea Otter Sadden and they specialize in trying to reduce disturbance to sea otters by kayakers, paddle 01:47:26
boarders and water activities. 01:47:32
So a lot of folks visiting might be engaging in that and so the other savvy website might be great to include with some sea Otter. 01:47:39
That's all. Thanks so much. Great work. 01:47:44
Good idea. 01:47:49
Thank you. 01:47:55
Next we have a hand hand raised from Kim. 01:47:56
Thank you. Yes, I think this is a great idea and Rebecca was asking. 01:48:03
Ohh how we would want it up there. And definitely for visitors we do want them to be aware of the sensitivities of our wildlife. 01:48:08
Especially for them, that's who we're trying to reach a lot of times, the people coming here. 01:48:17
Certainly to let them know about drone policies so that. 01:48:22
You know, they're not automatically just launching the moment they hit our shoreline. 01:48:26
Whatever we can do to educate them ahead of coming here is great. And even while they're here, we have been doing the BCL 01:48:31
sensitive to educate people about our harbor seals, our day sleepers. 01:48:37
So any way that we could let people know that and again? 01:48:44
Asking them to be sensitive in our wildlife areas would be awesome. Yes, I agree that the Marine Mammal Center is a great resource 01:48:48
for the harbor seals and ESC artist Savvy has some great slogans for the sea otters so. 01:48:55
If you have any questions for us, we are out there counting and logging everything on a daily basis. 01:49:03
And out educating the public. 01:49:10
With the docents in Bay that we'd be happy to help in any way, so thank you. 01:49:13
Yeah. 01:49:20
Any other hands raised? 01:49:21
No further public hands raised. We have a hand raised from Council member Coletti. 01:49:23
Thank you, George. 01:49:30
I I just wanted to remind the BRC. 01:49:32
And I kind of alluded to it in my liaison announcements, but. 01:49:36
That council at our July 19th meeting. 01:49:41
We authorized the LCP to go forward for. 01:49:45
Umm. 01:49:50
Or excuse me, the RFP for doing an LCP amendment and correction? 01:49:51
But at that same meeting we also. 01:49:55
Formed a subcommittee to work with the city. 01:49:58
Attorney. 01:50:02
To evaluate the current code base, the municipal code base. 01:50:03
And ordinances for wildlife policies and enforcement as they currently exist. 01:50:07
And to develop a single document and return to Council for further review, so that. 01:50:13
That also is on the the the radar screen for the City Council as well. 01:50:18
Thank you. 01:50:22
Thank you. 01:50:28
I'll be link added as well. 01:50:29
Talking was available. Any other comments? 01:50:32
Chair McKenna, if I could clarify. 01:50:37
Just that the tab under the Leisure tab that we're discussing the Potential tab. 01:50:38
Would be on the. 01:50:44
The main city web page not on the BR web page. So a recommendation to make these changes. 01:50:45
If recommended, I would take to the IT department and the Public Information Officer team. 01:50:51
And they would consider those recommendations. So just so we're all clear that. 01:50:56
Personally, as a stately is on in my position, I don't have access to all of that and there's always a balance between putting the 01:51:02
most essential information on a city website without. 01:51:07
Cluttering it with too much information. Not in it, but I appreciate what you guys have done here and I think this is some 01:51:13
phenomenal information. 01:51:16
But so just to clarify that that's how this would work. 01:51:20
It did streamline something. No, I think it looks great. You guys are a wonderful job and it's all good information. I think as 01:51:24
you know, if if it's not approved to go up, then let's consider putting it on the NRC website somehow. But let's go for the city 01:51:29
website 1st. And if we get feedback that way, then there's alternative opportunities that you can help us post on the BRC. 01:51:34
Understood. And then also just to clarify that. 01:51:39
Like council member Claudia suggested, there's. 01:51:45
Kind of simultaneous efforts towards similar goals that will all be kind of refined together by the people that manage the 01:51:47
website. 01:51:51
Great. 01:51:55
Umm. 01:51:56
Umm. 01:51:59
Well, we want to have any discussion with in our group. Is there any other public comment, right, that's all. 01:52:00
And no further hands raised. Thank you. Yeah, I think for this it would I have the notes jotted down from comments we've had so 01:52:08
far. So it would make those changes. 01:52:13
And then any other changes recommended by this team and then get it to George to see if we can. 01:52:17
That would be the that would be the goal, but right now is the opportunity to. 01:52:23
Make recommendations from you all about what you might add or take out or. 01:52:27
Change. 01:52:31
I don't know streamline it is if I were. 01:52:33
You know, putting myself in the shoes of a a, a resident or somebody coming and visiting. I would like this to be kind of bullet 01:52:36
pointed as it is. I love the idea of the of a story, but I think that maybe that goes in a different place or for a different 01:52:43
reason. Having been an artist and and having a website, I know that. 01:52:50
When you try to get too artistic about things, you lose your audience. And I think that this makes it very, very clear of what's 01:52:58
going on and why. And I like the wording and I think everybody did a great job. Thank you. 01:53:04
Any other comments? 01:53:14
The only other comment that I would make is if and when it makes it on to the website is to do some sort of public rollout. Or 01:53:17
maybe it's in the city managers report, come check out the new site. 01:53:23
I think there's some really important information in there, like the fine that you can get if you feed wildlife, because I see so 01:53:30
many people feeding wildlife, even residents, and I think that they. 01:53:36
I think they're doing good for our wildlife, but it's. 01:53:41
As you can see in the information that's being proposed, it's really detrimental for wildlife, so it seems like a really 01:53:45
important. 01:53:49
Point to make and to drive home. 01:53:54
Thank you. 01:53:59
All right. 01:54:06
Thank you all for that so. 01:54:07
I don't. There's no motion here. We just gonna go, OK? 01:54:09
Umm. 01:54:12
Alright. So last item is just announcement of our next meeting which is September 19th at 4:00 PM. 01:54:13
We'll try and get that agenda together as soon as we can. I do send out that e-mail, so just try to get back and the more you 01:54:21
formatted that quicker it goes for this sort of stuff. 01:54:25
Um. 01:54:30
And with that, I'd like to. 01:54:32
Make a motion to adjourn the meeting. 01:54:34
One second. 01:54:37
All in favor. 01:54:42
Aye. 01:54:44
Motion passes. 01:54:45
Thank you all. 01:54:46
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