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OK, let's call the meeting to order and. 00:00:00
Well, my watch says it's 6:00 o'clock. 00:00:04
So do you 6:00 o'clock Katie do do roll calls. 00:00:07
OK. 00:00:24
Member Gamble. 00:00:31
Member Goldsmith. 00:00:33
Present. 00:00:34
Remember Tully? 00:00:35
Member Wilson Booth. 00:00:37
And Daryl already said he would be absent. 00:00:40
I'm sorry, I'm still kind of taking minutes to. 00:00:49
OK. 00:00:52
Let's see. 00:00:54
So can we have a motion to approve the agenda? 00:00:57
Or are there any changes to the agenda? 00:01:02
I moved to approve the agenda. 00:01:06
We have a second on that. 00:01:09
Thank you. 00:01:12
All in favour. 00:01:14
Please say aye, aye. 00:01:15
OK. 00:01:17
Board and staff announcements. 00:01:22
Do we have anything Katie or Dan? 00:01:27
Yeah, we have a couple of announcements. The 1st is that we have. 00:01:31
Several special events August is packed with special events. The youth ambassadors have a dance tomorrow night at Chautauqua Hall 00:01:35
and then they have their big special event on Saturday at. 00:01:41
Lovers Point, we also have several other events, including All of Car Week, so we'll have that schedule up and updated on our web 00:01:47
page. 00:01:51
And then the other one we just want to say is tomorrow's our last day of formal summer programming. We've had a wonderful summer, 00:01:57
We've gotten lots of good feedback and we've gotten some really great ideas that we can continue to build our programs. So we just 00:02:02
want to send out a special thank you to City Council for their support. 00:02:08
To our city staff, particularly to Public Works. 00:02:14
Who has helped manage quite a lot for us? 00:02:17
To our summer staff, we had a lot of wonderful summer staff. We had a lot of returning staff and a great deal of new staff and 00:02:20
they all were wonderful, especially with our new programs that we started. 00:02:25
And then of course, we want to thank all the parents and guardians and family members who brought their kids to us for this 00:02:31
programming. We know it takes a lot to trust us with your kids for an hour or for all day or for all week, and we don't take that 00:02:35
lightly. We are very honored to be able to serve them in this capacity and we look forward to continuing that as we head into our 00:02:40
fall programming. 00:02:44
OK. Thank you very much. 00:02:50
Moving on, council liaison announcements is Nick Smith is not. 00:02:53
Present. He didn't call in or anything, did he? 00:02:59
Next myth is the council person desire liaison, OK? 00:03:07
And then moving to general public comments if there's somebody either online or present here. 00:03:13
I'd like you to come forward introduce yourself. 00:03:19
Thank you. 00:03:24
My name is Michael Lipson. Thank you for the opportunity to speak. 00:03:40
Between 1851 and 1852, a village of Chinese families. 00:03:45
Established itself on the. 00:03:52
Coast where the Hopkins Marine Station is now. 00:03:54
This is not only of significance to Pacific Grove, but to the United States as a whole, because it may have been the very first. 00:03:59
Presence of. 00:04:06
Chinese families in the United States, there were male workers who had come for the gold rush, but no women or children. 00:04:08
And it was also probably the 1st place where any Chinese were born in the United States. 00:04:15
Some Asian organizations. 00:04:22
Led by the. 00:04:24
Monterey Bay Chinese Association. 00:04:26
Have proposed building a pavilion to honor. 00:04:29
The history of the Chinese. 00:04:33
And to promote understanding of. 00:04:35
The Chinese presence and encourage tourism to come and. 00:04:39
See this and generate more money for the city. 00:04:45
Uh. 00:04:50
The Monterey Bay Chinese Association, and I'm not representing them directly, I'm working with them. 00:04:51
Met with. 00:04:58
Uh. 00:04:59
Mayor Peak and Mayor Pete suggested. 00:05:00
That they look at the. 00:05:03
Site of the. 00:05:05
A gazebo next to the Chautauqua hall. 00:05:07
In the Almarie **** sitting area. 00:05:10
The as you know that building. 00:05:13
Is in disrepair at this point in time. 00:05:16
It's an intriguing place to. 00:05:19
Consider doing that. 00:05:22
And so the Monterey Bay Chinese Association. 00:05:24
Will be. 00:05:29
Uh. 00:05:30
Sharing with you. 00:05:31
The idea. 00:05:32
The purpose? 00:05:35
And a sketch of what it might look like. 00:05:36
So we will circulate that to the Recreation Committee soon. 00:05:40
So you get an idea and the Monterey Bay Chinese Association with them. 00:05:45
Like to work with the city and raising money? 00:05:49
And constructing something which will add to the city and honour the Chinese residents. 00:05:53
Thank you. 00:05:58
Thank you. 00:06:00
There's nobody online and I can. 00:06:07
Is there anybody online? 00:06:09
OK. 00:06:15
So we'll move along to approval of the minutes. 00:06:24
Ohh, I'm sorry yes general written comment. I'm I have recorded just people that have sent in emails. We've got 4 emails in May. 00:06:29
I had two male emails in June. 00:06:41
And I recorded 4 emails for July. 00:06:44
And then there was one response also from our Public Works Director, Dan Go back to one of our citizens. 00:06:48
So those will be recorded in the Minutes as well. 00:06:55
So if everybody had a chance to look at the minutes, if there's any corrections, otherwise we need a motion to approve the 00:07:01
minutes. And these are the minutes from are they March? 00:07:06
April. 00:07:12
April minutes. 00:07:13
I make a motion to approve the Minutes. 00:07:24
I'll second. 00:07:27
All in favour. 00:07:30
Say aye. 00:07:31
OK. 00:07:32
Motion passed. 00:07:35
OK, we can go to the regular agent. 00:07:37
Umm. 00:07:41
What we have to do is we have lost Charlie, who was our chairperson, who was Absolutely Fabulous to work with, I think. I think 00:07:42
everybody in public works enjoyed working with Charlie too. He's very knowledgeable and he had a lot of great ideas, so I do miss 00:07:48
him. 00:07:53
But he has moved away. 00:07:59
And so we need a new chairperson. We need a new. 00:08:01
Vice chair. And we need a secretary. 00:08:04
So if there's any nominations. 00:08:07
I would like to nominate Colleen as chair. 00:08:13
Thank you. 00:08:17
About do we have any volunteers or anybody who would take on vice chair or secretary? 00:08:24
Need to put. 00:08:32
We could say Darrell, because he's not here and that's what happens. Don't come. 00:08:35
Be willing to volunteer for vice chair, OK, I would give the new. 00:08:40
Spoke some time to. 00:08:43
Thank you. 00:08:47
Actually. 00:08:48
And. 00:08:49
Miss Waves Booth, would you be interested in taking minutes? I mean, I can. I will help you too, because I'll still take notes. 00:08:50
And then? 00:08:57
All you do is send me kind of a draft. 00:08:59
And if there's any changes and then it just gets sent over to public works, if you'd willingly. 00:09:01
Willing to take it on for a few months and then maybe we can switch it around. 00:09:07
Umm. 00:09:15
Yes. 00:09:16
Thank you. I will take it on for a few months unless unless this gamble would like to. 00:09:18
Thank you. 00:09:24
I'll start it off. Yeah. OK. That sounds good. 00:09:26
Thank you. 00:09:29
It's not taking notes. 00:09:31
All right, so we have to take a vote on this and we just kind of. 00:09:34
I think we can call this a. 00:09:39
Point of order Since we only have one nominee is yeah, OK with you, Katie? Or do we need to vote? Vote. 00:09:41
Probably be pretty. 00:09:52
Make a motion. You could do it all in one motion. 00:09:53
OK. 00:09:56
All right. Motion to approve. 00:09:57
Goldsmith is chair, Tully vice chair, and Weissbluth as secretary, all in favour. 00:10:02
We we have a 2nd to 2nd, 2nd and vote on favor. 00:10:09
OK. Thank you very much. 00:10:13
Thank you very much. 00:10:17
So moving on to City Council goals and Katie was going to lead us off on that. 00:10:24
OK. 00:10:37
On this one, you guys had just asked for an update, so we prepared just a quick report. So I'm just going to read you a couple of 00:10:40
the key points from that and then we'll leave time for that. We go and ask questions. 00:10:44
So you had asked for an update. 00:10:56
On the council goals or the new goals that they had established? 00:10:58
And there are the four areas that have been identified as a priority for them. 00:11:02
They are recreation. 00:11:07
Infrastructure. 00:11:09
Environmental stewardship and affordable housing. So those are their four main goals, or 4 main priorities. 00:11:11
As far as recreation, there's a couple of. 00:11:18
Policy value statements that they have put out. So we're just going to go over those. We can kind of just tell you where we are at 00:11:24
this point. 00:11:27
So for the first one is Pacific Grove offers robust and accessible recreational and cultural activities for all ages. 00:11:32
So we are currently. 00:11:40
Working on that, one of the items is to expand the hours and the services of the youth center. 00:11:42
We are currently working on that. We had the soft opening of the youth center in May and that was intended just to open the doors 00:11:50
and let people come in and kind of see the building. We realized we had family and children who had never seen the building. 00:11:55
We had a few people stop by and say hi. It kind of overlapped with quite a lot of the middle school end of the year activities. We 00:12:01
did have some people come by, say hi. We had some people call in and ask us about it. 00:12:06
We will be planning to open it. 00:12:12
Again with full hours in the. 00:12:14
August 14th. 00:12:19
Yeah. 00:12:22
So the very the PG USD's first day is on August 9th, and we'll be opening it up for full hours on the following Monday. 00:12:23
And we have also City Council approved a 30 hour recreation coordinator for that position on that person will be overseeing that 00:12:35
program and then also overseeing some additional programs as well. We're in the final stages of that. So I hope to have a full 00:12:41
update for you on that position and the person who is in it at our next meeting. 00:12:48
And we're very excited for that, I just. 00:12:55
We'll have to give that update to you at the next meeting. 00:12:57
We're The second part was to expand and reinstate after school. 00:13:01
And recreational activities, including recreation, sports and programs. 00:13:05
We're happy to let you know that we also were able, we had the approval for a sports coordinator and we were also in the very 00:13:10
final stages of that. So I will have another update on that as well. 00:13:16
Um, this person is going to be managing. 00:13:22
Our sports. So they'll be managing our fields, they'll be managing our contractor sports, they'll be running sports. 00:13:24
We are hoping that this allows us to bring back a lot of the requested supports that we received. We received requests for soccer 00:13:30
for, you know, toss all the way up through youth. We've received requests for volleyball, for field sports, for track and field. 00:13:37
For basketball, for football, some of those might be through contractors and some of those might be through our own department, 00:13:45
our own staff. When we have that recreate the sports coordinator in place, they're going to have that skill set and the 00:13:51
determination of which would be the best way to handle each of those sports. 00:13:57
And again, we all, we're in the final stages of that. So I will have a full update on that staff member in our August meeting as 00:14:03
well. But we are very excited to be moving forward with that and to be bringing back a lot of those programs. We know the 00:14:08
community is definitely ready for them and we are excited to be bringing them back. 00:14:13
And then the third part of the evaluate fees and you sorry, fees for use rental for facilities, especially Zootopia Hall, 00:14:19
hopefully to incentivize more use by the community. We have already done the first step of a fee evaluation. We're working with 00:14:26
the cities, working with an agency on that. We've done the first steps on it. So we'll continue to work. 00:14:33
Through that process, they're going to help us evaluate all of our fees. 00:14:40
And bring them to a place. So hopefully will incentivize more local use by it and will also kind of help us just keep on track 00:14:43
with the rest of the fees for our department. 00:14:47
And again, we've done the first step with it. We're waiting for the company to reach back out to us as we continue going through 00:14:51
the steps to evaluate that and then that helps us set our new fees. 00:14:55
Which ultimately still have to be approved by City Council, but it's the first step in the process. 00:15:00
OK. Thank you for that. 00:15:10
Is there anybody who has any comments or questions for Katie? 00:15:11
I'm sorry, any public comment first on this? 00:15:16
No public comment. 00:15:23
Thank you. 00:15:25
I would note that there was an e-mail on this topic directly. 00:15:33
From. 00:15:36
Miss Crystal Got it. 00:15:38
And it was a. 00:15:40
I found it to be a really insightful. 00:15:42
E-mail. 00:15:43
And I think there's a lot of points that. 00:15:44
Are worth discussing in our. 00:15:48
In our discussion. 00:15:51
I had a question. 00:15:55
When the youth center opens. 00:15:57
Where you're getting a rat coordinator for 30 hours a week. 00:16:00
Is the youth center. How many hours is it anticipated to be open when it has its opening the Monday following August 9th? 00:16:03
We are anticipating opening it up for the after school program for three from 3:30 to 5:30 Monday through Friday. So that's the 00:16:12
that's the kind that's specifically targeted for our middle school youth so that they have a place to come. 00:16:18
After school. 00:16:24
OK. And that is Monday through Friday. Are there any Saturday or Sunday hours? 00:16:26
That's we the person. We do have a 30 hour coordinator. We know that doesn't eat up, take up all of their hours. They'll need some 00:16:32
time for prep, but we are also hoping that they can help us expand programming for that etcetera as well. 00:16:39
OK. 00:16:46
OK. So no, no we can Saturday. Sorry ohh Saturday is open too. 00:16:48
33530 or 12:00 to 5:00 or? 00:16:53
We're still working on those hours. OK to be determined. 00:16:56
And so you're going to hire the rec coordinator pretty soon? I'm sorry, I might have missed this, the sports coordinator have. Has 00:17:00
that person been hired yet or is that still in the final stages to of? 00:17:06
The 30 hour youth center coordinator and the 40 hour sports coordinator, we're in the final stages. I'm not able to comment on it 00:17:12
yet, but we're in the final stages so I'll have a full update at the next one. But we're we're right at the end, We're right 00:17:16
there. 00:17:21
OK. 00:17:25
That that's we're very excited with that sounds great. 00:17:26
Do we have any historical information, like sort of pre COVID of how many kids used to use the youth center and what? 00:17:30
Numbers we would try to be accommodating and getting back to, because I I have to say I'm kind of ignorant of that because I've 00:17:39
never had any kids that. 00:17:43
That actually used it, but what how? 00:17:47
Were there like 10 or 15 kids a day or is it three or four? Do we have any of that information? 00:17:50
Umm. 00:17:57
So pre COVID, we had the new registration system, the online registration Civic Rec, which was brought in during like just before 00:17:58
COVID that lets us run numbers from the date we started it up to now. A lot of the registration prior to that was handled through 00:18:04
paperwork. 00:18:09
So we would have to kind of dig through some of those files to get some numbers. My understanding is pre COVID. 00:18:15
One of the staff members who was in charge of it said that they generally had anywhere from sometimes 10 kids kind of dropping by 00:18:22
up to 30 seemed to be some of the more popular things were when they had some movies and pizza days. 00:18:28
Those seem to be kind of a popular. 00:18:33
Draw for them. Our hope is that we can obviously expand on those numbers, hopefully significantly. We know it'll be a little trial 00:18:36
and error. Needs have changed since COVID. What the youth want have changed, what the parents want for the youth of change. So we 00:18:41
know some of it's going to be a little trial and error we're going to keep. 00:18:47
Working with our new coordinator and with our staff to put out programs during those times that hopefully will attract them. We 00:18:53
wanna reach out to the community to hear what they would like as well. 00:18:57
And then we will just keep adjusting and fine tuning it till we find something that really, really hits what the youth want. 00:19:02
OK. All right. Thank you for that. I have one other question. Now is the swim pool. 00:19:07
With the cessation of swim lessons, is that going to be open at all on weekends for kids and adults, or is the pool closed in our 00:19:13
hopefully our two summer months, August and September? 00:19:18
We opened then we are looking at to figure out other ways to be able to. 00:19:56
Open that our traditional summer staff is often students and college students who all become suddenly. I mean not suddenly, but 00:20:01
they are not available as much during the school year due to their commitments. 00:20:05
OK, I was reading kind of an interesting article as a while back. I think it was like Wall Street Journal or something. They were 00:20:10
talking about how hard it is to hire. 00:20:14
You know, lifeguards, they just don't exist. So in this community back east, they actually had. 00:20:18
Senior citizens and retirees who could pass the test and were happy to come out and and be lifeguards. 00:20:24
I mean, I just don't know if you know. 00:20:31
You guys can be creative sometimes with, you know, looking to someone who's not sort of your typical lifeguard, but someone who. 00:20:33
You know, also wouldn't mind working a few hours or something. 00:20:41
I'd like to expand on that a little bit, if you don't mind. Chair Goldsmith. Sure. The new sports coordinator that we're hiring 00:20:46
part of their job description that we wrote into their. 00:20:50
The brochure that we advertise with. 00:20:56
Also said that that person would be our pool manager. 00:20:58
So we're anticipating that person coming on board and starting to create some of these programs. 00:21:02
Including how the pool looks. 00:21:07
Moving into these seasons that are non. 00:21:10
Swimming lessons, seasons, and we're open to anybody that puts in an application that has a lifeguard certificate. 00:21:15
So if somebody can get a certificate and they're 103 and can save a kid, wire them. 00:21:22
Hey. 00:21:29
Good to hear. 00:21:30
How deep is the pool? 00:21:32
Yeah, 3 1/2 feet. 00:21:34
Yeah. 00:21:36
Is there are there different lifeguards certifications for? 00:21:37
Kid pools I've got. 00:21:40
No, they they need a standard. 00:21:42
Certification to be a lifeguard on deck. There is a higher certification which is what water safety. 00:21:45
The WSI one, that one is the one that we have for some of our supervisors and then there are further certificates that obviously 00:21:50
we would have some of our coordinators do, but if we for standard lifeguarding for that type we can do a standard certificate. 00:21:57
I think the idea. 00:22:06
Came up with. 00:22:07
Telling about. 00:22:08
Offering senior citizens a chance to volunteer would be fantastic, yeah. 00:22:09
Well, I mean, they don't have to be volunteers. 00:22:13
Yeah, I mean, if I'm gonna have programs where the pool is open, I'm it's gonna be a paid position. 00:22:16
And it doesn't matter. It doesn't have to be a high school kid or a college kid. I have a higher. 00:22:21
Anybody that has the lifeguard certificate that qualifies? 00:22:26
To fulfill that position. 00:22:30
Yeah, passes the background check everything like that. I mean, it's. 00:22:32
Yeah, I would prefer to be a paid position. 00:22:36
Yeah. 00:22:38
OK. Well, thank you so much Katie for the update I had. I had another that's OK. I had another question you you mostly answered 00:22:41
it, but the after school programming 3:30 to 5:30. 00:22:46
It's sort of dropping, well it's not programming or it's dropping or it's, it's sort of open and that's one part and I know 00:22:52
there's going to be sort of hit or miss and then if it will evolve. 00:22:57
But also will there be at, for example, PG middle school? Sort of. 00:23:04
Advertising that this is an opportunity. 00:23:09
For the kids and the parents, yeah. 00:23:12
Uh, yes. So the the way it's set up and the way it's currently set up on our fee schedule which is what we'll need to follow, is 00:23:14
it set up as like a year long membership to kind of pay the membership and once they do that, they can come at any point. 00:23:21
We have a really good relationship with PGSD. We have been working with them all year long to build up that relationship. We're 00:23:28
able to send out advertising every single week on their you knew they're like E newsletter that they send out. It's at the bottom. 00:23:34
So when you when you get that E newsletter, if you scroll to the bottom, there's always Flyers. We put Flyers in every single 00:23:40
week. Sometimes they're promoting our special events, sometimes they're promoting. 00:23:46
Activities, as long as it's youth oriented, we can put those in. So we do that every single week and we'll be working with our 00:23:52
Facebook page to put up the advertising and then we can work with the individual schools directly to help them promote it for us 00:23:57
as well. That's great. 00:24:02
And then just one more thing is that this I don't know if this is the time but the the e-mail from. 00:24:08
Miss Godette also mentioned. 00:24:17
Sort of adult sports and adult programming and if if the sport coordinator is going to be. 00:24:20
Trying to nurture that as well. 00:24:27
The that would be under the sports coordinator as well. So they would be doing youth and adults, right? Thank you. 00:24:29
A couple of questions. 00:24:37
On. 00:24:39
The middle school. So the the youth center is specifically geared toward the middle school, correct? 00:24:40
Yes. 00:24:46
OK, and does middle school still get out early on Thursdays? 00:24:47
They they do. So we opened earlier on that Thursday, so it would not be 330, it would be 2:30 on Thursdays. Yes, PG USD early out 00:24:51
day is Thursday, so we traditionally have opened earlier on that day. 00:24:57
Great. That's good to hear And why? 00:25:04
Closing up at 5:30. 00:25:08
Was the rationale on that? 00:25:10
That seemed to be from the feedback I had gotten last time that seemed to be about when the kids, when the youth started kind of 00:25:11
heading home, started heading home. 00:25:15
For either dinner or after school or other activities or with their family. 00:25:20
That was the time though, we had set to kind of just have a time always open for them. 00:25:25
If we get a strong desire for a couple of evenings or longer extended time, we can do that too. 00:25:29
Is my concern would be that there might be some families that the parents don't get home? 00:25:36
Until later. And that would be, you know, kicking the kids out. 00:25:41
Um, I understand that with a 30 hour work week there's, you know, constraints there, but I would propose that we at least. 00:25:45
Look into a later closing time. 00:25:54
So I don't know the best method to do that, whether you would immediately start with a survey. I imagine that you have some 00:25:59
methods to survey families. 00:26:02
That's probably the the most logical. 00:26:07
Way to go. I don't know if you need a a formal recommendation or we can just note that in the. 00:26:09
In the minutes that that will be an investigation early on in the. 00:26:13
Once it's open. 00:26:17
I can take that note. 00:26:18
Great. Appreciate it, Katie. 00:26:19
The only other thing, couple of questions. There were a couple of other comments in the in the letter from Miss Scott referring 00:26:27
to. 00:26:31
Use of the the PGSD facilities. 00:26:36
And this is one that I think is really important idea. 00:26:40
Especially on weekends when the school is not using it. 00:26:44
My understanding is that there used to be. 00:26:48
Basketball leagues that would use the middle school or high school gym. 00:26:50
Is that also an intention of the? 00:26:53
Of the sports coordinator role. 00:26:56
Yes, our our intention would be that the sports coordinator would with a full time position would have the ability to manage some 00:27:00
of those leagues whether we try to run it all in house or whether we work. 00:27:05
With an outside agency like Next Level or any of those groups would be, we'd grant and leave that up to the sports coordinators 00:27:11
expertise. They're gonna be able to best judge which program might be best. But yes, that would be our goal. 00:27:18
Again, we've been working all year with PGSD and really trying to, you know, work with the partnership that we have. 00:27:25
And we do have the joint use agreement in place, which lets us when we have a program as long as it is open and PGSD says they 00:27:31
don't have any other programming there. 00:27:35
Um, does allow us to use those? 00:27:40
For free, yeah. 00:27:43
Yes, as part of that, yeah. Waive the fee. Yes, that's great. Well, we can't wait to meet the sports coordinator. I can have a ton 00:27:44
of questions for him or her when they start. 00:27:48
OK. If there's nothing else, I just want to thank you because I caught some of the City Council meeting. So I know that you and 00:27:54
and Mr. Go have, you know, put in time, you know, making the presentation to the City Council. So thank you for that as well. 00:28:01
Moving along to the skate park. 00:28:10
Dan, Mr. Go is going to make that presentation. 00:28:14
That's correct. Thank you very much. 00:28:19
Members of the Rec Board skate park, so as you know. 00:28:21
With the fiscal year 2223, last year's capital improvement program. 00:28:26
The City Council allocated $158,000 of the ARPA fund, which is American Relief Plan Act funding. 00:28:31
Believe I got it right. 00:28:39
Did. 00:28:41
For skate park. 00:28:42
The recreation board created a subcommittee we evaluated. 00:28:44
Public Works evaluated numerous locations around town. 00:28:50
The subcommittee then came back and. 00:28:54
Presented to the recreation board, which ultimately decided to move forward with the force lodge. 00:28:56
Location. 00:29:03
And location on David Ave. 00:29:04
We at the middle or the? 00:29:07
Is it the charter school? 00:29:11
Continuation High School property. 00:29:13
We brought those forward to the City Council. 00:29:15
And we did that at their. 00:29:18
April 12th, 2023 Meeting after a very long and robust discussion. 00:29:21
The City Council opted to not move forward with. 00:29:26
Not the project, but the locations. 00:29:30
And. 00:29:34
Because they kind of come up with the consensus of the locations and they thought it would be best to have the location beyond 00:29:35
city property. 00:29:38
What they directed staff to do was go back and look for. 00:29:42
A property that wasn't going to affect residents, wasn't going to affect the environment, and that was already basically on 00:29:45
Hardscape so. 00:29:49
It's quite a challenge, right? 00:29:53
We reviewed in public works and really don't have a location that we think is suitable. 00:29:56
But simultaneously, through the budget process, the City Council removed the remaining funding. We don't really only spent maybe. 00:30:02
3038 hundred dollars, something like that. 00:30:11
On the Skate Park project to date. 00:30:15
They removed the rest of the funding and they've allocated it now towards a sidewalk project. 00:30:18
So in theory, the project doesn't have any more funding. 00:30:23
Umm. 00:30:26
That's kind of our update. We're sitting idle with the skate park. 00:30:27
I wanted to just bring it forward to the recreation board and let them know where we stood. 00:30:33
Now would we have the new budget? 00:30:38
And. 00:30:40
The new CFP project, and this is not one of them. 00:30:41
That concludes my report. OK, thank you. Is there any public comment on? 00:30:44
This item. 00:30:50
Yeah, we have one hand raised. Hold on, let me see if I can hold it. 00:30:55
Have the capability. 00:31:07
Thank you. 00:31:14
Bear with us, Miss Dahmer. 00:31:24
Please. 00:31:25
There it goes. 00:31:31
Miss Dahmer, you have the floor. Welcome. 00:31:35
I'm unmuted finally. Thank you. 00:31:37
I just wanted to say that the ARPA funds had to be spent on a project within a certain time period, on a physical project that had 00:31:41
plans in place and were start to finish within this time frame. 00:31:48
So the city had to allocate the ARPA funds to something that could be completed and to use them on. 00:31:56
And they said yes, come back if you can find a location for something else, but because those ARPA funds had to be used. 00:32:04
And finished at a certain time frame. 00:32:13
That is why they got reallocated. 00:32:16
So I just wanted to clarify that that it wasn't the City Council dissing Escape Park. 00:32:20
Thank you very much. 00:32:26
Thank you very much. 00:32:28
There's nobody else. 00:32:34
OK. Thank you for that. 00:32:38
Umm. 00:32:39
Commissioners, any comments? 00:32:40
More questions? 00:32:42
I have a couple. 00:32:45
Couple of comments. 00:32:46
This is obviously a. 00:32:49
Was it was a very time consuming and challenging project. 00:32:51
To to look at, as I noted in previous meetings. 00:32:55
I saw a lot of issues with the way that city staff handled the project. 00:33:00
And I think that right now we have an opportunity to at least provide. 00:33:04
Something for? 00:33:11
The. 00:33:13
For the residents in this manner, so I would like to propose. 00:33:14
Two areas that. 00:33:18
Umm. 00:33:20
That the Council look at. 00:33:21
One is a portion of the parking lot. 00:33:24
Right next to the youth center. 00:33:28
There is 12. 00:33:31
Spots that I count that would be. 00:33:32
Potentially lost. 00:33:34
You'd still have access from the main drive. 00:33:36
And what I'm and? 00:33:40
What I'm proposing is a temporary. 00:33:42
Blocking off no construction. 00:33:45
Just the purchase of. 00:33:47
Some ramps. 00:33:48
Which you can buy online. I would say you know under $2000.00 of of RAMPS. 00:33:49
And the cordoning off of that parking lot. 00:33:55
Yeah, especially with the opening of the skate park. I think this would at least give us some type of experiment here. 00:33:59
We don't know how loud it is. 00:34:06
We don't really know. 00:34:08
How much it's going to be used and this would give us a sense of of, you know, do we have some type of possibility for the future? 00:34:10
Instead of just letting this die. 00:34:18
Yeah. 00:34:20
It looked like it did which which I think. 00:34:21
Was. 00:34:24
A Very. 00:34:25
I don't know. Unglamorous ending to a big. 00:34:27
Idea. 00:34:30
I think we owe it to the folks who worked so hard on this project to to do something. 00:34:32
So I would like to propose that one site. 00:34:38
Again as a temporary measure. 00:34:41
And the second site I'd like to propose is. 00:34:43
The. 00:34:47
Parking lot, I guess it's it's right along Sunset Ave. I guess it would be the northwest corner. 00:34:48
Of the Public Works yard. So right after you enter the gate, there's a large parking lot on the right side. 00:34:53
There you would have a gated area. 00:35:00
There be supervision. 00:35:02
At least there would be adults there with city staff. 00:35:04
What I really envision long term is a teen. 00:35:08
Workshop type area. There's a a large garage there. 00:35:12
I'm sure it's being used by Public works, but. 00:35:16
I would I would look into. 00:35:20
Trying to make that a space where you could have a bike shop. 00:35:23
Skate shop. 00:35:26
Surfboard shop, whatever you want. 00:35:27
A place for our high schoolers because. 00:35:29
I have seen that, that. 00:35:32
There. 00:35:34
Is not. You know you got the youth Center for the middle school, but you don't have a hangout spot for high schoolers. 00:35:34
And we need something that is far enough away. It would be close to the beach. I think it'd be a phenomenal spot. 00:35:39
And they it doesn't even have to be a huge skate park. Again, it could be temporary boards or. 00:35:45
Temporary ramps. They could be making their own stuff. 00:35:50
I actually think it's it's just as much fun for a lot of kids to make their own stuff, make their own ramps, than it is to just, 00:35:53
you know, have the perfect. 00:35:57
Skate park which we've seen at, you know, some other areas. 00:36:02
I think it's a very low cost solution that we could do. 00:36:05
I think it would. It would at least see if we've got a possibility of a project here and I think it would show. 00:36:08
That the city is trying. 00:36:13
To. 00:36:16
Meet some of the goals that that skate park project had, and I think it could actually even do more. 00:36:17
With with some type of maker space, you know where you've got some. 00:36:22
You know, maybe some tools in there. You've got a great public works staff, you've got a sports coordinator now maybe that's the 00:36:27
spot. I don't know there. I just, I see a ton of potential here. 00:36:31
So. 00:36:35
I'd love to hear discussion, but I plan on making a a motion to recommend that we ask the council to analyze those two spots. 00:36:36
And to. 00:36:44
Purchase some temporary equipment that we could move and test out of those two areas, then we can do noise. 00:36:46
Tests really see how loud it is. 00:36:53
We can see if if kids are gonna, you know. 00:36:55
If we need to somehow lock it up at night, if it's in the parking lot right behind the the youth center, fortunately it's also 00:36:58
right behind the police station and the fire station. 00:37:02
Like, don't think we're gonna. 00:37:07
Get into some of the. 00:37:10
The challenges that a lot of people were concerned about, which was. 00:37:11
You know, you know. 00:37:14
Improper illegal activity at night. 00:37:17
So I think this. 00:37:19
Could be something. 00:37:21
So. 00:37:22
Is there anybody else who'd like to speak on that? 00:37:25
I think it's a great idea. 00:37:30
I love it. It's sort of a pilot program. 00:37:33
That like like. 00:37:36
Tell Mister Tully says is low cost. 00:37:39
We can see how many kids actually sort of gravitate towards there. 00:37:44
Expanding it to sort of surf repair bike repair. 00:37:49
Learning to use tools, I think it's a great idea, especially because we we. 00:37:54
How come? A lot about youth programming but high school is is more you know specific and and we haven't spent time on that I I 00:38:01
love it. 00:38:06
I I hope I wouldn't vote for it. I hope it goes through. 00:38:11
Yeah, I'm also a fan. I think that's a great idea. I think those locations are fantastic. One concern I have is that my my 00:38:15
understanding is ramps are actually quite a bit louder than than concrete bowls. So I would hate for people to say see this is too 00:38:22
noisy. So that's just a a small concern but but maybe we can do some research, maybe wood ramps or maybe louder than some plastic 00:38:30
ramps. We could you know work on it. 00:38:37
But but yeah, I I love it. I think that's a great idea. 00:38:44
OK. 00:38:49
Umm. 00:38:50
I was just gonna ask a question and that is well we do have somebody on City Council who is still seems very positive about a 00:38:51
skate park who's made comments at at City Council level and meetings. 00:38:57
But my question for Mr. Go is. 00:39:04
They talked about a smaller area. So were there any smaller areas, I don't know 2500 to 5000 square feet that? 00:39:08
Even remotely came up as a possibility. 00:39:18
When you were doing your research, I know there was not a, you know, there was no, not really the funding, but. 00:39:21
City Council did kind of task. 00:39:26
You with trying to come up with some other locations. 00:39:29
Miss Halaby, my deputy director, and I reviewed. 00:39:35
Other locations just. 00:39:38
The locations that we're familiar with and we just weren't able to really come up with anything that. 00:39:40
Wouldn't displace another activity. 00:39:45
OK. 00:39:50
Just to comment on that, Colleen, one of the constraints that was put on the last project was that it had to be a 10,000 square 00:39:51
foot area and that really constrained the options. Hmm. And that was a big point of discussion among residents that that. 00:39:57
You know, if we maybe we don't need one that large. 00:40:04
And that if you want to do more of a, you know, a smaller skate park in the five 6000 range. 00:40:07
Both of these sites that I've proposed are in that. 00:40:12
Five, I think this I think the area by the public works that corner. 00:40:15
Is around 7500 square feet. 00:40:19
One thing I didn't mention was that I I printed out something I I think it would probably need a gate. 00:40:22
Across that eastern side. 00:40:27
But. 00:40:30
Tom. 00:40:30
But it would be fairly. 00:40:32
Fairly straightforward. 00:40:34
I mean, you do realize that that's an active public works yard That and that's my mechanical department right there that maintains 00:40:38
fire. Total ease apparatuses totally understand God's people in and out of it all day long. It would not be the totally 00:40:43
understand, safest safest area, totally understand. When I worked at public works at the at the Navy Postgraduate School, we had a 00:40:49
large warehouse. 00:40:54
And everybody said there is no space there. 00:41:00
And when the Admiral said. 00:41:02
You have to move the public works offices. 00:41:04
Out of the main building, Herman Hall and into the warehouse. 00:41:07
We found space. There is. It is. It is. 00:41:11
And I'm I'm not saying that I've never been there. I don't know how tight it is. 00:41:14
But I'm also saying that we might need to get creative backside, the South side of that yard. 00:41:17
Is. 00:41:22
You know when you look at on Google Earth, it just looks like there's a ton of space. I'm sure you're you're you've got dirt and 00:41:22
it's a it's a fill yard and and a cut and fill. 00:41:26
But I think we owe it. 00:41:30
To analyze the space and see if that front area. 00:41:32
That front warehouse. 00:41:35
Could be repurposed and you could use. You could do your storage further back. 00:41:37
So I but I I appreciate that this would be a big ask for you, Dan. 00:41:42
Well, it's not a warehouse. 00:41:45
That's an active mechanical department right there. I'm just specifying that. Sure. OK, Yeah. 00:41:47
If it's the recommendation of the board to bring this forward to. 00:41:53
The City Council we will schedule for future meeting. 00:41:57
I'd like to make a motion. 00:42:01
Sure. 00:42:03
Make a motion that two sites be brought forth to the City Council for. 00:42:04
Review and. 00:42:11
To at least. 00:42:13
Have a process to look at them. 00:42:14
The site behind the youth center. 00:42:17
And the site in the northwest corner of the public works yard. 00:42:19
By the gate. 00:42:23
Additionally that. 00:42:24
A I don't know a dollar amount, but a maybe a not to exceed. 00:42:26
Say. 00:42:31
$2000.00 of equipment that could be. 00:42:33
Used as. 00:42:36
As a pilot project. 00:42:39
Be temporarily put there and we. 00:42:43
Say we set aside a. 00:42:45
I don't know what I'm appropriate. Maybe a two-month, three month trial period in each location or at least in the youth center 00:42:48
location. I understand that the other location would would require. 00:42:54
A lot. It would be a lot more impact to use. So I'm I wouldn't propose a a trial there. 00:43:00
So is I don't know if that's a clear enough motion. So basically there's two elements to it. Investigate 2 sites. 00:43:06
And in the youth center site. 00:43:12
Umm. 00:43:14
Temporarily install some ramps or. 00:43:15
I don't know, Grind bar. We'd probably need to ask some of the people from the public who are a part of the. 00:43:19
The subcommittee to. 00:43:26
Propose on some items. 00:43:27
You would also mentioned perhaps continuing to look but for. 00:43:31
Something that's just a small, smaller square footage as well. 00:43:36
Is that if there are other sites sure that that aren't that? 00:43:40
Aren't constrained by the 10,000 square foot. I think that's a good idea that maybe looking back and going OK, what about 00:43:45
something that's 5000 square feet or a minimum? 00:43:50
But I believe, Dan, you and Joyce probably looked at other sites that were smaller, right? 00:43:55
During our initial no during the 2nd. 00:44:01
We did and it's there's. 00:44:05
I mean you've. 00:44:07
Come up with a couple of locations that are hardscape. 00:44:08
In the used or the Youth center parking lot. 00:44:12
It's our City Hall parking lot. 00:44:15
Don't know where our City Hall employees are going to park? 00:44:17
But there's also residents across the street. 00:44:19
That was talked about at the City Council level. 00:44:22
Was these parking lots? 00:44:24
I didn't think about the public works yard. 00:44:26
Umm. 00:44:28
And I mean, we've looked at. 00:44:30
The parking lot behind 17 Mile Ball Drive Ball Field. 00:44:32
There's a location but then you've got residents right there also so so and it's tucked up in the corner so the security on a 00:44:36
location like that's. 00:44:40
Not quite as good. I mean we've looked at areas like this, we looked at our net park. 00:44:44
At putting some ramps up there by where the playground is. 00:44:49
But then we'd have to pave something. 00:44:53
We've looked at areas like that we have. 00:44:55
Oiled with the. 00:44:58
The RAMPS idea we we thought about maybe doing something. 00:45:00
At lovers point behind the volleyball court. 00:45:06
We've got that little area where the series park. 00:45:09
But the the concrete up there has got like. 00:45:11
1/2 inch to three quarter inch expansion gap. 00:45:15
So it's not suitable for skate. 00:45:18
Boards that with the wheels. 00:45:20
So we've got to look at items like that too. You know what I mean? So we have looked at some of these smaller locations. 00:45:22
Umm. 00:45:28
They're just not the ideal spot, right? There's just not the ideal spot. 00:45:30
We need a brand new park. 00:45:34
Or something. So my recollection from the the City Council meeting was that there was never clarity on how far it had to be from 00:45:36
residents, it said, it said, they said something like an adequate distance. 00:45:42
When you look at other sites and it was it was pretty ambiguous. 00:45:48
The reason the the part of the youth center parking lot would be the area closest to the city. 00:45:52
City Hall so that it would be farthest from those residents on. I don't remember what street that is. Maybe on on the other far 00:45:57
side. 00:46:00
Again, we would have to look at areas. 00:46:05
We would be, we'd be. 00:46:08
Looking at sound and again this is this is an experiment. 00:46:09
So the the the the only other part of the. 00:46:16
The motion that I thought might be worth. 00:46:19
Proposing and maybe it's a separate topic is. 00:46:22
If we're going to propose the idea of the public works yard. 00:46:25
I think that. 00:46:29
It would be really interesting to go deeper into that idea of a high school. 00:46:30
Teen Center. 00:46:34
In that and and. 00:46:35
Understanding that it would be a major displacement to the shop there. 00:46:37
But it is. It's really the only spot that I can see that is. 00:46:41
Far enough away from everything. I mean, you've got a lumber yard down there, you've got a lot of industrial stuff. 00:46:44
It's already a noisy. 00:46:49
Area. 00:46:52
So it's not like you're. 00:46:52
Putting something noisy into an area that doesn't have any noise already. 00:46:54
Bless you. 00:46:59
We. 00:47:05
Motion. 00:47:06
What do you want to second? The motion, or do we want to reword it a bit or motion? 00:47:07
I'm just it's it's sorry less about the motion I I just have two questions about sort of infrastructure. 00:47:14
If this were. 00:47:22
Made a lot smaller. 00:47:24
Is not the. 00:47:26
The area across from forest. 00:47:27
Hill. 00:47:30
Like behind the high school. And there's so much of that. 00:47:31
Parking area that we had talked about is that not? 00:47:36
And it's not sick, but. 00:47:39
No MOU possibilities. Is that what happened this at that meeting, the stipulation from council was it we have to investigate sites 00:47:40
on city land, homeland city land? Yeah, so. 00:47:46
We'd have to bring up a whole new. 00:47:52
Idea and I think it would be. 00:47:54
A long time to before you got it back on the agenda. Yeah, but we could. 00:47:56
OK. 00:48:02
I'll leave it at that, then I'll I'll second the motion. 00:48:04
Hi. 00:48:07
OK. All in favor. And I, and again, Mr. Gale, we're not trying to make this difficult for you because. 00:48:09
You know, you may not be real comfortable with bringing this up. 00:48:16
Because, but it is a way to. 00:48:19
Bring something forward to City Council. See what they want to do with it. 00:48:23
OK. All in favor, please say aye. 00:48:29
Aye. 00:48:31
OK. 00:48:32
OK, the Ayes have it. 00:48:33
I brought way more difficult things forward to sitting down with me. 00:48:35
Dan, maybe you get a whole new shop out of this, yeah? 00:48:41
I do have concerns about the public works yard, don't get me wrong. I mean, we're providing an essential service to the City of 00:48:46
Pacific Grove and. 00:48:49
We're also administrators out there. 00:48:52
Providing services that need to. 00:48:56
Concentrate and be able to do our thing but it. 00:48:58
We'll present it fine. 00:49:02
Is there still a Skate Park subcommittee? 00:49:05
Active. 00:49:08
Great question. 00:49:10
I do. 00:49:11
I believe there is. It was Charlie and Elliot. They're both gone. 00:49:12
And Emily? 00:49:15
Is she gone too well? I know she's not gone, but but on the Commission there were two members who are no longer. 00:49:16
I would also ask if we could, to get clarification on that budget. That was not my understanding that. 00:49:23
The funds were gone. 00:49:29
My understanding is that it wasn't. 00:49:32
Put into the new 2324 budget. 00:49:35
Can we get clarification on that? 00:49:38
I can give you clarification right here. 00:49:40
Um, what they specified is, as Inga said, they were going to move it to a new project which the funding has now been allocated 00:49:42
towards. 00:49:46
Sidewalks on David Ave. 00:49:50
Which we're currently in the process of engineering. 00:49:52
And they said if they come up with a location that's suitable. 00:49:55
They could potentially. 00:49:59
Look at funding it through another source. 00:50:01
Through like the mid year budget process, allocate more funding and so on and so forth. 00:50:05
But. 00:50:09
It's also was supposed to be a campaign. 00:50:10
A fundraising campaign to raise all the money right The what the City Council allocated was seed money for us to get started and 00:50:13
if we got a location to. 00:50:18
Get the design engineer on board to. 00:50:24
Begin the concept for. 00:50:29
Residential review. 00:50:31
Alright, thank you. 00:50:35
OK. We're moving along and playground equipment at George Washington Park. OK, I brought this forward to you guys in your, I 00:50:39
believe your April meeting. 00:50:44
Yes, your April meeting and. 00:50:50
I heard that the desire of the board to go out and. 00:50:53
Talked to some other. 00:50:58
Some other. 00:51:02
Vendors. 00:51:03
To possibly. 00:51:04
Look at some more natural type stuff. 00:51:07
Management. 00:51:09
So I did that and I I spoke with a company called Timber Form. 00:51:11
And. 00:51:16
I got some renderings from them too. 00:51:18
This is. 00:51:20
The. 00:51:22
Let me back up. We've got a couple of new members. 00:51:24
On February of 2023, we put out a request for proposals. 00:51:26
For playground equipment at George Washington Park to complement the existing equipment there. 00:51:31
That was. 00:51:36
Accessible and had accessible aspects to it, but was geared towards children between the age of two and five because the equipment 00:51:37
that's currently there is for 5 to 12 year olds. 00:51:43
We put out a request for proposals to provide the equipment. 00:51:49
Do the installation, create the boulder and the landing fall material, and do it all at once. 00:51:53
We received a quote from Game Time with multiple options. 00:51:59
But this is the quote for the two to five year old equipment. 00:52:03
That best meet the needs of. 00:52:07
Well, that. 00:52:10
Filled the RFP request. 00:52:11
Has the playground equipment. 00:52:14
It has the little climbing log thing in the background. 00:52:16
As you see right here. 00:52:20
And then it has the sensory swing. 00:52:22
Which I've heard that a lot of that. 00:52:24
People would like to use a sensory swing and it has a value. 00:52:27
To some families in the community. 00:52:33
I did reach out to, so this is. 00:52:36
That and. 00:52:38
As your staff member, public works director, I'm still recommending this. 00:52:40
This is my recommendation because I can get all of this done. 00:52:44
The border, the landing material, the installation. 00:52:49
I could provide young kid equipment at the park. 00:52:52
And I'll still have a budget to be able to get a accessible swing. 00:52:56
That can be used. We'll take one of the children's the young kid swings. 00:53:01
And convert it to. 00:53:05
Like a swing that somebody can strap into and use. 00:53:07
And we'll have the budget to do that. 00:53:11
Now the City Council has allocated. 00:53:12
$25,000 for this? 00:53:15
And I've received a grant for another $81,000. 00:53:17
The grant is good till like December of 2024. 00:53:22
But. 00:53:25
This quote for the RFP, I've reached out to them and they said they would honor it until. 00:53:27
August. 00:53:34
Which is well beyond the 6:30 to 60 days which we ask on the RFP. 00:53:36
But then I reached out to. 00:53:41
Timber form. 00:53:44
And this is some more of the same setting of the two to five year old from. 00:53:46
Game time. 00:53:52
So timber form can do something like the game time and this is one of their examples where 27,000 dollars $28,000 but again this 00:53:55
is just the equipment. 00:53:59
No tax, no delivery, no installation, no, none of that. 00:54:05
They don't do it. I asked them. I said give me a whole quote. I sent them a scope. I said here's the scope of the RFP and they 00:54:09
said they don't do it. We'd have, they could hook us up with somebody. 00:54:14
But we would have to get extra quotes from them that it doesn't come as a package. 00:54:19
Here's another piece of equipment similar to like your traditional. 00:54:24
$27,000 would need to be modified slightly for the two to five year olds. 00:54:29
Again, another piece of equipment. 00:54:33
And then you've got this larger piece of equipment on top. 00:54:38
Which would need to be modified, but it's it's more or less similar to what we already have, right? 00:54:41
Then you could go down to these timber forms, which is more of like I believe what you guys are asking us for and you have like 00:54:46
this hammock. 00:54:49
$6700. 00:54:53
And then you have this stair step. 00:54:55
I know it's kind of small, but it's $6000. 00:54:57
And then you have these other like balance beam things and this slide, I'm just can't believe how much of this slide was $31,000. 00:55:00
I was like, ohh, my gosh. 00:55:04
But you asked me to get you some numbers, so this is kind of where we're at. And then there's this place stack for $17,000. 00:55:08
So I reached out to them. This is what we're looking at. I'm looking for a recommendation from. 00:55:15
The Rec board. 00:55:21
But I'll be bringing something forward to the City Council at their August 16th meeting, because. 00:55:22
I only have the proposal I got. 00:55:28
Is expiring. 00:55:31
And I think it's a sound valid proposal. 00:55:33
Where I get everything done. 00:55:36
That's my report. 00:55:38
OK. Thank you. Do we have any public comment? 00:55:40
We do. OK. Thank you. 00:55:51
Thank you. Boy, this unmute was a lot quicker. Thank you, Dan. Katie. 00:55:57
At this point I really think because it is expiring. 00:56:05
I mean, I don't like to be pressured on that, but there's been a lot of time. 00:56:09
And we don't have the money. 00:56:14
For what you really want, Jay. 00:56:16
Commissioner I. 00:56:19
You. 00:56:21
But I think that something for the three to five would be better than nothing. 00:56:22
And because part of this is grant. 00:56:27
Even though it's not ideal. 00:56:30
I would suggest that we go ahead and get it in. 00:56:32
Because it would serve a purpose for now. 00:56:36
And it is a lot of grant money. 00:56:41
So thank you. 00:56:44
Thank you very much. 00:56:46
No one else. 00:56:54
Is there anybody on Commission you'd like to make some comments? 00:56:55
Comments. 00:57:03
Question on the grant On the $80,000 grant, what are the constraints on how it? 00:57:04
Can be spent. 00:57:09
I I don't believe there are any constraints except for it has to be spent for the playground equipment in George Washington Park. 00:57:11
That's how we titled the application. 00:57:15
OK. So is it, I guess my question is, is, is it enhancing George Washington Park or is it playground equipment? 00:57:19
In George Washington Park, it was definitely for playground equipment geared towards the younger kids, which was. 00:57:26
Which was the $25,000 that the City Council allocated was the. 00:57:32
Playground equipment towards younger kids and I presented. 00:57:37
Shoot probably at the end of last year to you guys what we could get for that amount of money right and. 00:57:41
Yeah, yeah. 00:57:46
So I then my questions are. 00:57:47
If you have. 00:57:51
$105,000 Is this the best way to spend it? 00:57:52
And. 00:57:56
My understanding of the history of that park was we had a playground. 00:57:58
That. 00:58:03
Didn't meet code. 00:58:04
And. 00:58:06
We took it down and put up one that met. 00:58:10
The Met code about $30,000. Obviously there was not the the groundwork which the earthwork, which is a, you know, a big part of 00:58:12
the cost. 00:58:16
But now we're looking at and and then we realized well that. 00:58:20
Playground. 00:58:23
Didn't meet the two to five year old need. 00:58:25
There was one piece of equipment, I think the the dinosaur rocker that does. 00:58:28
So now we're looking at. 00:58:32
Spending $100,000 on a fairly similar piece of equipment. 00:58:34
To to. 00:58:40
To meet that. 00:58:41
I don't know if it's a requirement or a goal. 00:58:43
I think that we've seen we see some options here that can. 00:58:46
Do just as good a job, Actually better, I think. 00:58:50
At a much lower cost. 00:58:53
The the pieces of equipment, I went to that website too. I have actually got some. 00:58:55
Some some Flyers. It's some really nice equipment. 00:59:00
And. 00:59:03
I don't think you need the whole. 00:59:05
Play structure, I think I mean. 00:59:07
Excuse me, I think the hammock. 00:59:10
The way my kids have played on a hammock. 00:59:12
It is ours. I think it is often more fun to play on something that simple. 00:59:14
Than it is to climb upstairs. 00:59:19
And go down. 00:59:22
You know, a smaller slide than the one next door. 00:59:23
So I I think that we need. 00:59:26
Some parental input. 00:59:28
And. 00:59:32
I would like to bring up this idea. 00:59:34
That I've I've brought up in the past is that when you build a a house or a or do a renovation to your house. 00:59:36
We require our citizens to put up story polls. 00:59:43
And that you have to keep them up for 30 days or so. 00:59:46
And that is to tell everyone else this is what's going up. 00:59:49
Yet we don't make that same requirement. 00:59:53
Of our city. 00:59:56
On something that affects everybody, not just the the private residents. 00:59:57
I think we have a obligation to ours, the people who use the park to say we are planning on doing something out there and I know 01:00:01
we're having these meetings, but. 01:00:06
Most. 01:00:10
Parents of young kids are not coming to these meetings. 01:00:11
And so I think that we need. 01:00:14
Some type of signage like we did, it was about. 01:00:16
Three years ago now I think. 01:00:19
Where we said we were considering a project. 01:00:21
And we want some input, and that input led to the idea of more natural. 01:00:23
Equipment. 01:00:28
So I think we're, we're, we're. 01:00:29
I don't want this to go on forever, believe me. I think we've got some really good products here, I think the Hammock. 01:00:31
I think the the bridgeway, that twisting Bridgeway. 01:00:36
Those are our. 01:00:40
I think that would be. 01:00:41
Sufficient. 01:00:43
Especially with the dyno rocker that we've got, we would, we would have the stuff that younger kids could play on and. 01:00:44
Again, speaking from a parent. 01:00:50
As a parent who had a young kid, they only want to do what the older kids are doing anyway. 01:00:52
And so. 01:00:56
I just, I don't think that 100,100 and $5000. 01:00:58
To build a a miniature version of what we already have there is the right way for us to spend the money. 01:01:01
And I think that. 01:01:06
We have a lot of needs at George Washington Park. We need a we need a water fountain there. 01:01:07
The bathrooms are still terrible. 01:01:11
There. I know you guys are looking at the the picnic benches, the picnic tables, which the new ones are fantastic by the way. 01:01:14
They're beautiful. 01:01:19
We need some trash cans. I mean, there's so much. 01:01:23
That that park needs. 01:01:26
But I don't think it needs $105,000 miniature play structure that's right next to the. 01:01:28
The regular size play structure so. 01:01:33
I I would not be voting for the approval of this. I think there's a way that we could make a motion. 01:01:36
That right. I think there is something that we could purchase, but I think it's gonna require a design build. 01:01:42
Proposal. 01:01:47
From perhaps this company timber form or or one of their contractors that you mentioned. 01:01:49
But. 01:01:54
It does not appear to me that we've been given good options from you from staff. 01:01:55
On this one. 01:02:00
OK. Well, that's that's an interesting comment. I mean I never considered you know not doing sort of the. 01:02:03
Replication with the other, you know, play structure, that is, you know, to me was always more about kind of separating the 01:02:09
children, you know, the older children you know might play a little rougher, a little more. 01:02:15
Aggressively than the young toddlers who are kind of exploring and aren't quite as adept. 01:02:21
So that was the reason I could kind of see doing some of the same equipment, but I I do like this idea of. 01:02:27
You know, like the hammock and and maybe it is, it's just a different kind of a playground. I mean I personally love the place. I 01:02:34
just think you know, ohh my gosh my kids would love that cause it's kind of got rounded edges. 01:02:41
And yeah, it is like the world's most expensive slide, but maybe you know, even if this slide is suitable or some type of slide. 01:02:48
Maybe we do. 01:02:59
Forget the the the play structure per se and just do some of these other. 01:03:00
Kind of very exploratory. Very. 01:03:06
Hands on things for little kids. I kind of love that idea. 01:03:09
Anybody else have any? 01:03:14
Thoughts. 01:03:16
I was surprised when I saw the the report that it was just the equipment. 01:03:18
You know, I I can't imagine that this. 01:03:24
This company would exist without having their right hand people. 01:03:27
Or. 01:03:33
The ones who who put the proposal together and do the grading and the installation and the taking away of the old equipment and 01:03:35
and all of that. 01:03:39
So it would be great to get the option that includes this equipment and what the total cost would be. 01:03:44
If we were to choose two or three of these. 01:03:52
Along with the whole installation, because I'm sure there's you know that that. 01:03:55
That. 01:03:59
No city codes and this is this is what they do. 01:04:01
So. 01:04:04
If we can get the similar proposal that includes what the total would be, that would be really helpful and I also. 01:04:06
I mean hammocks. 01:04:14
But it's it is really hours of play and and having. 01:04:17
Um. 01:04:21
More unique play structures. 01:04:22
I think would enhance George Washington Park. 01:04:26
Tremendously rather than just like this sort of the same old, same old. 01:04:30
So I'm in agreement. 01:04:34
Yes, I agree. My I know. 01:04:43
That like like you said that. 01:04:45
Younger kids often want to do what the bigger kids are doing. I think that. 01:04:48
That. 01:04:52
Kids can make you in that forest. I think some some scaled down ideas are great. 01:04:53
Great idea. 01:04:58
So we would have to come up with a a motion. 01:05:04
Would anybody like to make a motion? 01:05:09
On this topic, I mean, I've got direction. I'm not going to take this to City Council. 01:05:13
I'm going to go back to Timber form and ask him for a full package for design, installation, all that, but for which pieces of 01:05:18
equipment? Various options. 01:05:23
Sure. 01:05:28
I think that'd be great and but I'm, I don't think we're going to get it within our budget. I'm being, I'm gonna be honest with 01:05:29
you, I don't get it within our budget. 01:05:32
And this doesn't meet, I mean. 01:05:36
Any kid with a disability is unable to play on this stuff. 01:05:39
What about the size? And I mean from 2 to 5 year olds, just Katie tells me that she doesn't take our our preschool camps and our 01:05:42
youth camps there because. 01:05:46
They can't play on the equipment. They're intimidated by the big equipment, by the bigger kids, I mean, so, but let me get some 01:05:51
more information. But we will lose the quote. 01:05:55
From game time. 01:06:00
But that doesn't mean I can't put it back out to bid. 01:06:02
Could we have some more clarifications on what you'll be asking this other company, the the proposals that I would, I I think that 01:06:04
it's important to have the swing, the accessible swing included. 01:06:08
I think that's a. 01:06:13
Absolutely. And well, that's something I could purchase and install. 01:06:14
OK, great. Yes, OK. So then long as I have the available budget, I'm going to just go back to Ted Johnson with Timber Form. 01:06:17
And I'm going to ask him to if they can put that the records interested. 01:06:24
And some of their equipment if they could put a full package together. 01:06:29
With an installer. 01:06:32
And a contractor to build the border and the fall zone and stuff. That's where the cost is. 01:06:34
Right, because I gotta pay prevailing wage. 01:06:39
Can we request a smaller area than was used? Because if if you're saying the cost is in the earthwork. 01:06:41
It's not, it is in the earthwork. Go ahead. I'm sorry, I didn't mean interrupt you. So if if in the last proposal, what was the 01:06:48
area of that? 01:06:51
But that that's not really, I mean. 01:06:55
It's the mobilization, It's getting the people out there. If I add 1000 square feet, that's. 01:06:57
That's budget dust compared to getting. 01:07:03
The contractor here, they're mobilizing. 01:07:07
There's not somebody locally I think, that's really doing this. They're mobilizing from somewhere. 01:07:10
They're bringing their crews in, they're bringing their equipment in. 01:07:14
That's the big cost of it, right? The labor of it not adding five or six, 700 square feet here or there. 01:07:18
And that's not really the cost, right? 01:07:24
It's it's the labor associated with it and the labour's here regardless. 01:07:27
That's my experience with all of these type of public works projects. 01:07:31
But isn't that the the same applies to the the other equipment, the game time? Yeah, but they've provided us a proposal through a 01:07:36
request for. 01:07:40
Proposals. So they've given us a dollar value. 01:07:46
Which is set so if I go and I. 01:07:50
Get a contract that's set for the value they gave us. 01:07:53
It's locked in. Does that make sense? 01:07:57
Where at right now I don't have that value so they might be like OK the equipments. 01:07:59
$40,000, but it's $100,000 for us to prepare the ground for it. 01:08:05
Right, but that's what we need. So and like the game time part, let me finish, like game time, they have a whole package, so. 01:08:11
When you get these proposals like. 01:08:18
I've I've bet a lot of projects right we've got I've got a $1.6 million sewer storm drain Rd. rehabilitation project going right 01:08:20
now. 01:08:24
I got a contractor that maybe charges more for the asphalt and building the road, and then I got another contractor that's cheaper 01:08:28
for building the road but more expensive to put the pipe in the ground underneath. 01:08:34
And it's just all about how they. 01:08:40
Structure their bid to make their profit. Everybody's here to make a profit, right? And so Game Time gave me a proposal. 01:08:42
Which? 01:08:51
Has the whole package and their profits are built in somewhere. 01:08:52
Where timber form. 01:08:57
Has just said this is what it costs to buy the equipment. 01:08:58
You want the equipment. 01:09:01
I could get it to you on a truck. 01:09:02
And delivered to the public works yard. 01:09:05
For this amount of money, isn't the more appropriate way to go to ask the contractor, the general contractor who's gonna be doing 01:09:07
the work to get the bid from timber form? 01:09:11
And they're the sub. 01:09:15
Yeah, but then I'm gonna get a 10 to 15 to 20% markup on the equipment. But you're still gonna need to get a quote from. I'm gonna 01:09:16
ask you reform to to work up a whole package for me. Why not ask one of the contractors that they recommended? 01:09:22
I haven't received a recommendation from their a contractor. You told us a second ago that that you did. 01:09:29
No, I have not received it. They said they could provide us with some information. 01:09:35
And then I would have to go separately and I have to purchase the equipment. 01:09:39
And then go separately to these. 01:09:43
Contractors that do the installation and everything. 01:09:45
I haven't. 01:09:48
Done that yet? 01:09:49
But I would. That would be my next step. 01:09:51
Can we please put up the again the timber form equipment so we have clarity on which ones we prefer? 01:09:55
I I'm assuming you guys don't like the traditional. 01:10:07
Cracked I don't think it's needed. I think that's. I think, like, like Amanda said, that something a little more fitting to the 01:10:09
park is something we've been asking for for a while now. 01:10:15
I think it's needed. 01:10:21
I think that the two to five year old kids do not have the equipment to play on down there. 01:10:22
Right. That's what I hear. And kids that have any disability or special need don't have something to play on. 01:10:27
I hear from parents that the sensory swing would be huge. 01:10:32
But I mean the sensory chair or the swing the chair, OK? 01:10:36
OK, but here's the timber form stuff. So. 01:10:41
You got the hammock. 01:10:43
In the bridge. 01:10:46
And this? 01:10:47
Stepping column. 01:10:48
And then the slide. 01:10:50
They have other stuff. 01:10:52
I mean. 01:10:53
And are these not rated for two to five year olds? 01:10:54
I asked them for stuff that was rated from two to five year old. They did. 01:10:58
Yes. So they are. 01:11:02
So this would meet the requirement of the two to five year olds. 01:11:03
But is it all accessible? 01:11:08
No, I mean not all the equipment accessible, but. 01:11:10
And if the sensory, I think you call it a sensory wave chair is really excellent. 01:11:15
I would love to see that it it it didn't. 01:11:20
You know it doesn't look like much in a in a picture, but if it's a wonderful piece of equipment for. 01:11:23
Children with those needs, I would, I would definitely endorse getting that separately. 01:11:28
Yeah, but I I do think that those. 01:11:35
I mean, we might as well see how much it would it would. 01:11:38
If it would be. 01:11:41
Within the budget and then. 01:11:43
I don't think the slide. 01:11:46
If that seems excessive. 01:11:48
But those others are not. 01:11:50
I would, I would love to see a couple of different proposals, a smaller area than is than what we're seeing in the proposal from 01:11:52
game time, which is. 01:11:56
You know, like a 50 foot by 40 foot. 01:12:00
So I think we've got. 01:12:05
You know if you put in a package with two of those, you know the the the two I think I would probably go for is the. 01:12:07
The hammock and. 01:12:13
Probably the the twisting bridgeway. 01:12:15
We we actually had one of those bridges in the old. 01:12:18
Play structure at George Russian Park. It was more of a a chain one. Hmm. So. 01:12:21
Umm. 01:12:26
If they can put together a couple of different packages, I think we'd have some apples to apples comparisons to go. 01:12:30
And then I think, I think if we had some money leftover to do some of the needed things. 01:12:35
Like a water fountain. 01:12:39
Maybe bathroom doors? 01:12:42
Or, you know, the bathrooms are just they're still in terrible shape. 01:12:44
And some garbage cans and some of the other amenities that are really missing from the park. 01:12:49
I mean, that part has been really. 01:12:53
I mean, the weeds this summer have been. 01:12:56
Incredibly high and I know we had a lot of rain. 01:12:58
But there's a lot more that makes the park. 01:13:01
Usable. 01:13:05
Then just a play structure. 01:13:06
I'm not disputing that. 01:13:11
But I won't put doors on that. I put doors on there and then I'm going to have homeless people living on that in that bathroom and 01:13:13
stuff. And we've had issues when we had doors in there before. 01:13:16
Do we have that at the Caledonia park? 01:13:21
Yeah. And we keep them open all the time, I believe you really. 01:13:25
Yeah. 01:13:27
The parks a little bit more in the residential area, Yeah, it's not understandable. 01:13:29
Yeah. 01:13:34
OK. I understand. I I mean, I've reached out to the Timber form before and I I don't mean that I'm just having a dialogue with you 01:13:35
guys. 01:13:38
I asked them exactly for what you're asking for. 01:13:42
And they told me they couldn't. They do not do that. But I'll ask them again and see what they say. 01:13:44
Are you open to asking another contractor who can do this or are you only going to ask timber form? 01:13:51
Or can you ask a contractor who can purchase timber form or install timber form if if you don't want to pay the markup on the 01:13:59
equipment that we make 2 contracts? 01:14:03
I know that's more work, but if you're saving. 01:14:07
$10,000. 01:14:10
I'm going to start anchoring about how I can make it happen. 01:14:12
OK, great. Appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. 01:14:16
But it won't come back to you guys in in September. 01:14:20
There's going to be October, November time frame. It's got to be. 01:14:23
Why? 01:14:26
Because I've got. 01:14:28
A lot of workload. 01:14:30
I do. I mean it's. 01:14:32
This is gonna take time for timber form to prepare. 01:14:33
It's gonna take time for me to prepare, especially if I've got to go try to find contractors. 01:14:36
That are doing this type of work within prevailing wage that means I've got to get. 01:14:41
Contractors and. 01:14:44
Everybody that's. 01:14:46
Registered with the Department of Industrial Relations. 01:14:47
It it's a whole different ball game. 01:14:50
So. 01:14:53
It is not a lot of people that do this. 01:14:54
That's what you is. It's not like they just call up. 01:14:57
Local contractor and say hey come install this stuff. They've all got to be playground equipment certified. 01:15:02
So on and so forth. 01:15:07
Well, we do have this this bid by the 1st vendor. 01:15:12
Umm. 01:15:15
Is it possible to go back to them and and make any modifications since they seem more receptive in terms of? 01:15:16
Putting together numbers. 01:15:24
I think they sell these products, so they're not gonna get anybody else's products, right, Do they? But do they sell like this 01:15:26
bridge and the hammock and some of these other items? 01:15:31
I'll ask them if they have a line that's similar to this. Sure it's a very good suggestion. OK. I one other question, I happen to 01:15:36
be in Arnet Park and there were Ohh maybe. 01:15:40
A dozen little children playing. A couple moms watching them. These are the bathrooms. They are locked. 01:15:46
Are they supposed to be opened? 01:15:51
Those bathrooms are actually operated by the PG pony. They're not our bathrooms. Ohh, OK alright. 01:15:54
Thanks. 01:16:01
There's this side, sorry. 01:16:02
OK. 01:16:04
I've got direction for the playground equipment. Give me. I I don't mean like I just. I'm not bringing this back in September. 01:16:10
Maybe October? 01:16:15
Would be a time frame. 01:16:18
September would be great. Yeah, I know. And I know it would be, but. 01:16:19
I just would hate to think that we're gonna get. 01:16:25
Really pinched. 01:16:27
When the funds expire in December 24. 01:16:29
There's still like 18 months from now I I know, but it takes take a long time. 01:16:33
Hey. 01:16:42
We are moving on to Item E ARPA Fund Projects Recreation. 01:16:46
Park needs assessment and Mr. Goel. 01:16:52
Talk to us about that. 01:16:56
You guys aren't sick of hearing me talking or what? 01:16:58
OK. 01:17:03
So this is just the an update. 01:17:03
And then we got a little bit of news at the end of it, so the picnic tables. 01:17:07
City Council allocated money through ARPA $50,000 for us to move forward with. 01:17:12
The recreation need assessments? Start some of that stuff. You've noticed we've done a lot of tables it. 01:17:17
The parks. 01:17:23
I still have some more tables I'm still planning on replacing. 01:17:24
Some of the tables. 01:17:28
Some more of the tables at George Washington. 01:17:29
I still got a couple more. 01:17:32
We've just been really like. 01:17:34
Combating leads for about the last like 3 months, we've mowed that area of George Washington Park. 01:17:36
Two or three times already. 01:17:42
And they're still growing. 01:17:45
It's active. I've never seen it like this before. 01:17:46
So we've got the picnic tables that we've done around, we've got the Gazebo, Elmarie, **** Park, which I think. 01:17:50
Mr. Epson makes a great suggestion. 01:17:57
About maybe having that be the area for the this Chinese pavilion. 01:18:01
Because that structure. 01:18:05
We've talked about it numerous times here at the city or at the recreation board level. 01:18:06
It's more than the $12,000 that you guys have allocated. It's a tear down and rebuild completely. 01:18:11
It looks better that we've taken all the foliage off of it. 01:18:18
And we've cleaned up that area, but it's it's more so I think that. 01:18:21
If we could work with UH, Mr. Epson and his group. 01:18:25
The. 01:18:29
Maybe get this? 01:18:30
Idea there that be great and we. 01:18:32
Maybe have a little seed money that the city could throw in. 01:18:34
That the recreation board wants to use that $12,000. 01:18:37
Towards this. 01:18:40
Or if they fundraise for their whole structure. 01:18:42
We can use our money to build the fix the planters and stuff on the outskirts. 01:18:46
And then we've done the storm drain at our net. We've done that and it actually worked really well this winter. 01:18:51
I didn't have a lot of that DG coming down like we had before on the crews did a good job. We did a lot of that in house, most of 01:18:57
this. 01:19:00
Money was for materials, and so on and so forth. 01:19:04
We had the extra $20,000. 01:19:07
That was still in there. 01:19:10
And it's up to your guys's discretion how that wants to be spent through. 01:19:11
The recreation needs assessment. 01:19:16
The City Council through the budget. 01:19:19
Then opted to keep that money in there. 01:19:21
So that's the good news is. 01:19:23
You guys can figure out how you want to spend that? 01:19:25
Maybe we can work with? 01:19:28
This. 01:19:31
Concept for Elmarie **** Park and that money could go towards that also, but it's up to you guys if you see something that you 01:19:32
would like to do through the needs assessment. 01:19:36
With a smaller capital improvement, we have an additional $20,000. 01:19:40
That's my report. 01:19:44
OK. Thank you for that. Do we have any public comment? 01:19:47
You would be the public too, if you. 01:19:53
You want to come forward? 01:19:55
I'm Michael Epson again. 01:20:06
I was not aware before I came today and talked to Mr. Go about the the situation on the. 01:20:08
The. 01:20:14
Gazebo It was clear that there's a lot of work to do there, but. 01:20:15
I think this is a a congruence of interest that would be very good for. 01:20:18
The. 01:20:24
Project and the city and the the the Chinese people. So. 01:20:24
I'm all in favor of it. 01:20:30
Thank you. 01:20:33
Board, any comments? 01:20:42
Quick question on the work at Arnett Park. So the public works. 01:20:44
Cruz did the DG and the earthwork. 01:20:48
That's correct. What type of equipment do you have? 01:20:52
I have whatever we need, front end loaders and. 01:20:54
Ohh yeah. Could you back those front end loaders you do the could you do the George Washington Park get grade that area for the. 01:20:57
Playground. 01:21:04
No. 01:21:06
OK. 01:21:07
And let me tell you why. 01:21:08
Because it's all about opportunity cost. 01:21:09
And I have so many I have already this year we've completed like 17 or 1800 work orders. 01:21:12
And I have a stack of work orders that are 50 deep. 01:21:18
For. 01:21:21
Potholes. Curbs. 01:21:21
Things like that. 01:21:24
When I have the budget to do. 01:21:25
Have somebody come in and do it. I've got to take that opportunity so I can do something else for this. 01:21:28
The residents of Pacific Grove. 01:21:34
So that's why I say no, because opportunity cost and this is an opportunity cost. 01:21:36
For me to do something else, Sure. Understand that makes sense. 01:21:41
Plus I don't have the expertise. 01:21:45
Yes, I have a big front end loaders. 01:21:47
Where if a big old tree fell across the road, I could go move the tree. 01:21:50
Or I got a backhoe where I don't need a precise hole. 01:21:53
And I stick something in it and I'd fill it all back in. I could do that, right? 01:21:56
But the level. 01:22:01
A playground spot where with the survey equipment and everything. I don't have that. 01:22:03
But we can make big holes. 01:22:09
Another quick question on that topic. If we were scaling back the playground equipment could, is there room for something like 01:22:12
just the hammock and one other, you know, sensory piece in the existing leveled area? 01:22:20
I don't think so because I need to have the the fall zones. 01:22:31
Right from the slides and everything like that. If a playground gets too crowded then it it it becomes a safety issue. 01:22:36
It's tricky. They also wanted to have a separation between the two play the play areas. 01:22:43
I'll get back to the playgrounds, let me get some stuff and I'll come back to you guys. 01:22:48
I have a question. So as I understand it, we have an additional 20K to use at our discretion and one option is is to. 01:22:53
Rework, redo the gazebo basically with the sort of the Chinese heritage in mind. Is that gonna? 01:23:02
Cover that cost, and if not. 01:23:12
No, no, no. If not, where would the other funding come from to to finish a project like that? I believe the speaker said that we 01:23:14
could, they would be willing to do a fundraiser campaign. OK, so maybe the city could assist with that fundraising campaign. 01:23:21
Or if they raise it up money to build the structure. 01:23:29
We could use that money to maybe enhance other portions of the park. Now don't get me wrong. I mean, that's would all have to be 01:23:33
permitted. It would have to go through the City Council. They'd have to make sure that. 01:23:38
It's suitable. I mean, every **** park has a specific meaning also, right? So then we'd be bringing in another. 01:23:43
Meaning to the park like. 01:23:50
Value, if that makes sense, yes. Yeah, yeah. 01:23:53
So we're talking about $20,000, Is that the amount? That's correct. We have $20,000 left of that. 01:23:56
Funding. 01:24:02
That was allocated for the. 01:24:03
Parks assessment that you guys did in the capital improvements plan? 01:24:07
Project we had one that was for like various pieces of equipment like. 01:24:12
Soccer goals? 01:24:16
You could theoretically. I don't know if you've already got funding for. 01:24:20
The skate park type, you know, ramps. That's a possibility. I mean, you've heard me mention the water fountain. 01:24:24
Couple Times Now. 01:24:31
Umm. 01:24:32
You know, I think there's a there's a few options. I mean, I don't know if you're gonna buy garbage cans already with other 01:24:34
operational money and if this is a separate fund that is really specifically for upgrading something. 01:24:39
I wouldn't want to. 01:24:45
You know, take away from. 01:24:46
An opportunity to use other money to do things like garbage cans, but but there's just not enough there. 01:24:48
At. 01:24:53
At least at George Washington Park. 01:24:54
This that would be a prime example of what this money could be used for. OK, yeah, anything that you guys noticed in that. 01:24:56
Recreational assessment. 01:25:02
Water fountain great. 01:25:05
Are we talking water fountain or refill station? 01:25:07
Normally the combo I think is a good, a good way to go and we also had talked at the last there was back in April the planter 01:25:10
boxes are in really bad condition too. So and I don't know if the irrigation. 01:25:17
Has ever been fixed there, but the group that goes, the volunteers, we just kind of take up the weeds and there's never any. 01:25:25
Possibility of planting anything? Where at where? At Tequila Park. 01:25:33
Our Chautauqua and Elmarie ****. 01:25:38
So we just go there and do a clean up. 01:25:41
So should we? How? How might we? 01:25:43
Should we come back and? 01:25:46
Next time or do we need to vote on this now? Like how do we use the $20,000? 01:25:48
No vote. 01:25:54
No. 01:25:55
We have till December of 2024 I believe. Then don't hold me to that date with ARPA, but I believe that's the date, OK. 01:25:56
You want to just come back with a list of the next meeting and just try to prioritize it, Yeah. 01:26:05
Sound like a good idea? Coming back prioritizing what we could do with that money? Yeah. 01:26:10
Yeah. 01:26:15
OK. Thanks, Dan. 01:26:16
Where are we? We almost done. We're getting there. We're getting there. OK, last item. 01:26:18
Is recreation facilities water payments? 01:26:25
This was just requested to put on there by a board member, so I wanted to just provide it to you guys. 01:26:28
I don't have any specifics like. 01:26:34
Quantities of water or anything like that, but this is. 01:26:37
More narrowed down in the past you've just seen. 01:26:40
The want some budget, so I wanted to at least provide you with the recreation facilities. This is what's being charged out of the 01:26:44
rec budget. 01:26:48
And this was. 01:26:53
I think this was the final accounting. 01:26:57
For last fiscal year, is that correct, Katie? 01:27:00
Yeah, I believe so. 01:27:04
Yeah, because it goes through 6. 01:27:06
June. 01:27:08
8th of 23. 01:27:09
So there will be a little bit more charges, right, just to get us through the end of? 01:27:12
June because the fiscal year is, you know, runs. 01:27:16
July 1st through June 30th. 01:27:19
That's it. 01:27:25
I appreciate it. 01:27:26
Yeah. 01:27:27
All right. Do you have any public comment? 01:27:28
The report, just a quick question on that is there is there gonna be a way to line up those addresses with? 01:27:32
What they actually are. 01:27:39
So on that far right I have a question, I could probably answer it. 01:27:41
OK, but we do have one speaker. 01:27:44
One public comment. Yeah. OK. Thank you. 01:27:46
Hello me again. 01:27:55
Umm. 01:27:57
Boy, this is truly an amazing number, isn't it, as far as what it costs? 01:27:58
I'd ask a specific question of what's 611 Central? 01:28:04
I didn't understand what it was right off the bat, but. 01:28:09
It costs a lot that we pay Calam. It's not just we as people for our little homes, it is. 01:28:16
An incredible amount. 01:28:24
And here we've got a local water project losing money. 01:28:26
It seems like something should be done. 01:28:30
Majorly. 01:28:34
Thank you very much. 01:28:35
Thank you. 01:28:38
Well, thank you for that information. 01:28:47
Umm. 01:28:49
I had something This isn't on the agenda. 01:28:50
But I was just wondering how everything looks for the activities that are. 01:28:53
Coming up this weekend and also. 01:29:00
I did see something somewhere about. 01:29:04
A Hiroshima and Nagasaki event. 01:29:07
I don't know if that was on our calendar or if that's a smaller bit. And then also car week, ours is. 01:29:09
Everything. Kind of. 01:29:16
Ready. 01:29:18
Yes. 01:29:21
Good 100% prepared. 01:29:22
Good, Well, I'm trying to get a round up a bunch of volunteers on the Audi Club Needs volunteers. 01:29:24
So if anybody's interested or you know anybody, I have two shifts and you get free lunch. 01:29:31
And you get in the little snazzy vest to walk around in. So where's the free lunch from? It's gonna be probably right on the side. 01:29:36
There's there. Last year it was great. 01:29:41
Yeah, we are ready. OK, including the car event again at the golf course. 01:29:47
OK. Well, I know they're all looking really forward to the event. They just think it's a phenomenal location, so. 01:29:52
And I know they're very sensitive to, last year was like some trucks and some parking in the wrong area. So they've actually 01:29:58
secured, I think more parking on the golf course, that's correct. So that should help too. 01:30:04
I don't have anything else. 01:30:11
Anybody. 01:30:13
I do. I wanted to bring up. 01:30:14
The e-mail that we just got before coming here and see about perhaps putting out on next month's agenda and that had to do with. 01:30:17
I think it was from the beautification. 01:30:25
Or sorry, I'm not sure that the committees committee yes, sustainable PG sustainable. What about confetti and balloons? About the 01:30:28
confetti and balloons and seeing where we might fit in to help? 01:30:35
Negate the negative impacts or. 01:30:43
Yeah, I think that would be great with that on the agenda, so at your next City Council meeting. 01:30:47
August 2nd and I won't be there. 01:30:53
Yeah, I'm gonna be on vacation. 01:30:56
But. 01:30:57
George First, our Environmental Program Manager has been working with the Beautification and Natural Resources Commission and 01:30:58
they're going to be making a presentation. 01:31:02
About plastic ordinances and revising the plastic ordinance as it is. 01:31:06
Associated with. 01:31:11
Like your single, use your take outs. 01:31:15
Plastic stuff like that. 01:31:18
And. 01:31:20
Balloons and Confettis. 01:31:21
Will also be brought forward as part of that potential ordinance change. 01:31:23
So I think if you're interested, tune into the August 2nd meeting. 01:31:29
And let's see what the direction is that the City Council gives. We won't be bringing forward the ordinance changes at this time. 01:31:33
Concept review. See how the City Council accepts that review. 01:31:39
And then we'll be moving forward with potential ordinance changes. 01:31:45
Which could include. 01:31:49
That. 01:31:51
Even though it's already banned on our park permits. 01:31:52
It could be put into the city code, so it's enforceable. 01:31:56
Wasn't it? Yeah. Well, we can talk about it next. Next time. There was a suggestion in that e-mail, I think, to do a cleaning 01:32:03
deposit. 01:32:06
Which I've encountered recently at Toro Park when I made a reservation there. 01:32:09
And it's not a bad way to. 01:32:13
Encourage people to clean up. Not just not not just confetti, but anything. 01:32:15
Have you guys been to lovers Point lately too? 01:32:24
Just something just on this out there. 01:32:27
We got that Coastal Conservancy grant that did the Point Pinos trail project and we've. 01:32:28
Been building that Coastal Conservancy trail marker at Lovers Point. 01:32:34
Which is right in the main driveway asphalt area and it's still looking a little rough. 01:32:38
Because we gotta do still do a few things and seal it all and wash it and then. 01:32:42
Pull the tape off of it, but it's going to be a pretty cool. 01:32:46
The cool trail marker there that shows Oregon to the north. 01:32:48
Mexico to the. 01:32:52
South with the mileage. 01:32:54
And part that we're now part of the California. 01:32:56
Conservancy Coastal Trail. It's pretty cool. 01:33:00
Yeah, it's kind of rough still. We're gonna have it done in like another week or so, but. 01:33:04
It's something we've been working on down there. 01:33:07
Yeah. 01:33:10
Not. 01:33:16
There's a skate park subcommittee and perhaps, you know, given your motion about, you know, trying out some ideas if maybe we 01:33:16
should implement an A new subcommittee. 01:33:22
Do that's I think is a good idea. I just wonder do we have to agendize that? 01:33:30
Or can we include that as a as a callback to? 01:33:34
Item Was it 7A or 7C? 01:33:39
Or can we just do that ad hoc? 01:33:43
The Creative Subcommittee. 01:33:48
I'm not sure the question. I mean we've we've moved on from that. 01:33:55
Topic I I I plan on bringing this forward to City Council at A. 01:34:00
Sooner than later meeting. 01:34:05
I mean, I gotta get it. Look at the advance agenda and see where we stand. 01:34:07
Perhaps so I could bring it to City Council and see what their ideas are on the two locations that you guys have recommended. 01:34:12
And then if they say. 01:34:19
We like these ideas. We could put it back to you guys could create a subcommittee. Yeah, Perhaps the way to do it is at the City 01:34:21
Council meeting where that recommendation is brought forward. 01:34:24
We have a member here attend and and we can propose it. 01:34:28
OK. 01:34:34
Great. Well I we we forgot to mention I think just welcome to actually welcome to the board welcome it's wonderful and and also in 01:34:36
a long overdue or a thank you to you all. We're really excited about the youth center. I don't know if it was expressed it's 01:34:43
obviously been a a long time and and a lot of work for you guys in the meantime covering. So thank you for. 01:34:50
Making those fires happen. 01:34:58
Correct. 01:34:59
And then next month, I think because you were going to be doing some last minute things with summer camp and students, you'll give 01:35:00
us an updated report on sort of revenues, expenses, attendance and just kind of an update of how the summer went and? 01:35:08
Yes. So we'll be preparing an end of the summer report for you guys. We'll have some a presentation with some photos and some 01:35:18
updated numbers. 01:35:22
We do need a little bit of time. Tomorrow's our last day and we're we. We've packed the day full. The kids have a party and 01:35:26
they're in the parade and they have a pool party. 01:35:31
Yeah, every staff we have is is slammed working for that one. We're super excited cause it's a great way to end the summer. We 01:35:35
love it, but we do need a little time to be able to prepare the numbers to pull up that stuff from finance, to let some of the 01:35:40
accounts settle so you can see the true what it's settled at once we've done. 01:35:45
All of the final registrations and refunds and that type of stuff. So we should have much better chance to do that at the next one 01:35:50
and we're excited to report it. We've had a really good summer and we had a lot of things that we've learned about as well that 01:35:56
we'd love to implement for next summer so that each year hopefully is better than the last. 01:36:01
Great. OK. Thanks so much for that. That parade tomorrow too. I know I'm coming. 01:36:06
With my big pet. 01:36:14
OK. Are we ready to adjourn this meeting? Thank you all for attending. Thanks for our comments from the public and it looks like 01:36:15
it's 736. 01:36:20
So meeting adjourned. 01:36:25
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OK, let's call the meeting to order and. 00:00:00
Well, my watch says it's 6:00 o'clock. 00:00:04
So do you 6:00 o'clock Katie do do roll calls. 00:00:07
OK. 00:00:24
Member Gamble. 00:00:31
Member Goldsmith. 00:00:33
Present. 00:00:34
Remember Tully? 00:00:35
Member Wilson Booth. 00:00:37
And Daryl already said he would be absent. 00:00:40
I'm sorry, I'm still kind of taking minutes to. 00:00:49
OK. 00:00:52
Let's see. 00:00:54
So can we have a motion to approve the agenda? 00:00:57
Or are there any changes to the agenda? 00:01:02
I moved to approve the agenda. 00:01:06
We have a second on that. 00:01:09
Thank you. 00:01:12
All in favour. 00:01:14
Please say aye, aye. 00:01:15
OK. 00:01:17
Board and staff announcements. 00:01:22
Do we have anything Katie or Dan? 00:01:27
Yeah, we have a couple of announcements. The 1st is that we have. 00:01:31
Several special events August is packed with special events. The youth ambassadors have a dance tomorrow night at Chautauqua Hall 00:01:35
and then they have their big special event on Saturday at. 00:01:41
Lovers Point, we also have several other events, including All of Car Week, so we'll have that schedule up and updated on our web 00:01:47
page. 00:01:51
And then the other one we just want to say is tomorrow's our last day of formal summer programming. We've had a wonderful summer, 00:01:57
We've gotten lots of good feedback and we've gotten some really great ideas that we can continue to build our programs. So we just 00:02:02
want to send out a special thank you to City Council for their support. 00:02:08
To our city staff, particularly to Public Works. 00:02:14
Who has helped manage quite a lot for us? 00:02:17
To our summer staff, we had a lot of wonderful summer staff. We had a lot of returning staff and a great deal of new staff and 00:02:20
they all were wonderful, especially with our new programs that we started. 00:02:25
And then of course, we want to thank all the parents and guardians and family members who brought their kids to us for this 00:02:31
programming. We know it takes a lot to trust us with your kids for an hour or for all day or for all week, and we don't take that 00:02:35
lightly. We are very honored to be able to serve them in this capacity and we look forward to continuing that as we head into our 00:02:40
fall programming. 00:02:44
OK. Thank you very much. 00:02:50
Moving on, council liaison announcements is Nick Smith is not. 00:02:53
Present. He didn't call in or anything, did he? 00:02:59
Next myth is the council person desire liaison, OK? 00:03:07
And then moving to general public comments if there's somebody either online or present here. 00:03:13
I'd like you to come forward introduce yourself. 00:03:19
Thank you. 00:03:24
My name is Michael Lipson. Thank you for the opportunity to speak. 00:03:40
Between 1851 and 1852, a village of Chinese families. 00:03:45
Established itself on the. 00:03:52
Coast where the Hopkins Marine Station is now. 00:03:54
This is not only of significance to Pacific Grove, but to the United States as a whole, because it may have been the very first. 00:03:59
Presence of. 00:04:06
Chinese families in the United States, there were male workers who had come for the gold rush, but no women or children. 00:04:08
And it was also probably the 1st place where any Chinese were born in the United States. 00:04:15
Some Asian organizations. 00:04:22
Led by the. 00:04:24
Monterey Bay Chinese Association. 00:04:26
Have proposed building a pavilion to honor. 00:04:29
The history of the Chinese. 00:04:33
And to promote understanding of. 00:04:35
The Chinese presence and encourage tourism to come and. 00:04:39
See this and generate more money for the city. 00:04:45
Uh. 00:04:50
The Monterey Bay Chinese Association, and I'm not representing them directly, I'm working with them. 00:04:51
Met with. 00:04:58
Uh. 00:04:59
Mayor Peak and Mayor Pete suggested. 00:05:00
That they look at the. 00:05:03
Site of the. 00:05:05
A gazebo next to the Chautauqua hall. 00:05:07
In the Almarie **** sitting area. 00:05:10
The as you know that building. 00:05:13
Is in disrepair at this point in time. 00:05:16
It's an intriguing place to. 00:05:19
Consider doing that. 00:05:22
And so the Monterey Bay Chinese Association. 00:05:24
Will be. 00:05:29
Uh. 00:05:30
Sharing with you. 00:05:31
The idea. 00:05:32
The purpose? 00:05:35
And a sketch of what it might look like. 00:05:36
So we will circulate that to the Recreation Committee soon. 00:05:40
So you get an idea and the Monterey Bay Chinese Association with them. 00:05:45
Like to work with the city and raising money? 00:05:49
And constructing something which will add to the city and honour the Chinese residents. 00:05:53
Thank you. 00:05:58
Thank you. 00:06:00
There's nobody online and I can. 00:06:07
Is there anybody online? 00:06:09
OK. 00:06:15
So we'll move along to approval of the minutes. 00:06:24
Ohh, I'm sorry yes general written comment. I'm I have recorded just people that have sent in emails. We've got 4 emails in May. 00:06:29
I had two male emails in June. 00:06:41
And I recorded 4 emails for July. 00:06:44
And then there was one response also from our Public Works Director, Dan Go back to one of our citizens. 00:06:48
So those will be recorded in the Minutes as well. 00:06:55
So if everybody had a chance to look at the minutes, if there's any corrections, otherwise we need a motion to approve the 00:07:01
minutes. And these are the minutes from are they March? 00:07:06
April. 00:07:12
April minutes. 00:07:13
I make a motion to approve the Minutes. 00:07:24
I'll second. 00:07:27
All in favour. 00:07:30
Say aye. 00:07:31
OK. 00:07:32
Motion passed. 00:07:35
OK, we can go to the regular agent. 00:07:37
Umm. 00:07:41
What we have to do is we have lost Charlie, who was our chairperson, who was Absolutely Fabulous to work with, I think. I think 00:07:42
everybody in public works enjoyed working with Charlie too. He's very knowledgeable and he had a lot of great ideas, so I do miss 00:07:48
him. 00:07:53
But he has moved away. 00:07:59
And so we need a new chairperson. We need a new. 00:08:01
Vice chair. And we need a secretary. 00:08:04
So if there's any nominations. 00:08:07
I would like to nominate Colleen as chair. 00:08:13
Thank you. 00:08:17
About do we have any volunteers or anybody who would take on vice chair or secretary? 00:08:24
Need to put. 00:08:32
We could say Darrell, because he's not here and that's what happens. Don't come. 00:08:35
Be willing to volunteer for vice chair, OK, I would give the new. 00:08:40
Spoke some time to. 00:08:43
Thank you. 00:08:47
Actually. 00:08:48
And. 00:08:49