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OK. It's 3:00 o'clock. I think we'll go ahead and. | 00:01:01 | |
Call this meeting to order. Welcome to the Architecture Review Board meeting today, Tuesday, June 13th. | 00:01:04 | |
Can we please have a? | 00:01:15 | |
Roll call. | 00:01:17 | |
Yes, chair Boyle. | 00:01:24 | |
Here, Vice Chair Eldridge. | 00:01:26 | |
Member Bornstein here. Member Brooks. | 00:01:29 | |
Here a member Sutton here. So all five members are present. Thank you. | 00:01:33 | |
Great. Thank you. | 00:01:38 | |
And. | 00:01:40 | |
I think. | 00:01:42 | |
Um, Laurel, nothing's changing on the agenda. Would that be correct? That is correct. OK, so we just need to get in a motion to | 00:01:43 | |
approve the agenda. | 00:01:48 | |
2nd. | 00:01:58 | |
Great. Can we get a roll call vote? | 00:01:59 | |
Member Brooks. | 00:02:05 | |
Aye member Bornstein. | 00:02:09 | |
Chair Boyle. | 00:02:12 | |
Aye, Vice Chair Eldridge. | 00:02:13 | |
Aye and Secretary Stephen's motion passes 5 to 0 to approve the agenda as submitted. | 00:02:15 | |
Great. Moving right along. | 00:02:24 | |
Umm. | 00:02:26 | |
Item number three, board announcements. Any board announcements? | 00:02:27 | |
No and staff announcements. | 00:02:34 | |
No, we don't have any. Thanks. | 00:02:38 | |
Great and #4. | 00:02:40 | |
Our council liaison, I see Debbie Beck. | 00:02:42 | |
Can we get any sort of report from you? Miss Beck? You may. Hi, Turbo Oil and members of the Commission, the ARB Commission. We | 00:02:46 | |
have a couple of updates. Our last City Council meeting 2324 fiscal year budget was approved. On the first reading, we did have a | 00:02:52 | |
few modifications, one being a. | 00:02:59 | |
Council voted for a $50,000 allocation for a safety and traffic engineering for a permanent parklet program. So that will be | 00:03:07 | |
moving forward. We do have that on our council agenda which is coming up on June 21st, so look forward to that as well. More | 00:03:15 | |
information to be provided. Also a special event calendar permit was issued or approved by council at a four, three vote for I | 00:03:22 | |
believe it's pints on the Bay. | 00:03:30 | |
Which is the Monterey Seltzer Company or Pacific Grove Shelter Company which will be holding an event? | 00:03:37 | |
Upwards of 3000 people down in front of their restaurant on September 30th. | 00:03:43 | |
Ocean View Blvd. will be closed off for that event during that day. It might be an all day event even though the schedule will be | 00:03:50 | |
a four hour schedule event. | 00:03:55 | |
And that's all I have. You have a full agenda. So have a great meeting. Thank you. | 00:04:01 | |
Thank you very much for that. | 00:04:05 | |
And moving along to general public comment, this is the point in the meeting where members of the public via Zoom and here in Umm. | 00:04:09 | |
The Chambers can come and and speak for three minutes. | 00:04:23 | |
And the things that you would speak on would be things that are not. | 00:04:28 | |
On our agenda. | 00:04:32 | |
This afternoon. | 00:04:36 | |
So we can go ahead and open up general public comment if anybody in the audience would care to. | 00:04:38 | |
Speak, you can stand up and come to the podium and. | 00:04:45 | |
Otherwise raise your virtual hand. | 00:04:48 | |
See. | 00:05:00 | |
Aries. | 00:05:00 | |
Yes. | 00:05:02 | |
Missus. | 00:05:02 | |
Miss Gianni. | 00:05:03 | |
Thank you. I I just wanted to do sort of the standard reminder since this audio system has. | 00:05:07 | |
To everyone, if you could, please speak directly into the microphone. | 00:05:15 | |
I'd appreciate it. And I I just barely could hear Laurel just then and and I just wanted to say that we are. | 00:05:20 | |
Having a new roof installed and so I apologize in advance for my. | 00:05:28 | |
Later con comments if you have trouble hearing me. Alright, thank you very much. | 00:05:33 | |
Thank you. | 00:05:40 | |
And can we is there any way that we can turn the audio up so that we can hear our. | 00:05:41 | |
OK. | 00:05:59 | |
Perfect. OK. Thank you. | 00:06:00 | |
We can adjust that later if we if we need to. | 00:06:02 | |
Umm. | 00:06:06 | |
Great. OK. I don't. | 00:06:07 | |
Oh, I see. One more hand. | 00:06:09 | |
Sorry, we have Miss Dahmer. | 00:06:13 | |
Thank you. I didn't have an unmute button. | 00:06:25 | |
Also, I had a great deal of difficulty. I just now got on to this meeting. | 00:06:28 | |
From the city of Pacific Grove. It wouldn't load. It wouldn't this. I tried calling in so something else is going on today with | 00:06:34 | |
the. | 00:06:38 | |
Computer or the the the whole IT system? Thank you very much. | 00:06:43 | |
Great. Thank you. I'm glad you're able to be present. | 00:06:49 | |
All right. Any other general public comment? | 00:06:55 | |
Seeing none, we're going to close public comment and. | 00:07:00 | |
Go to our consent agenda. | 00:07:06 | |
We've got. | 00:07:11 | |
Just our two meetings from last month on our. | 00:07:13 | |
Consent agenda. | 00:07:19 | |
Does anybody on the board care to pull either of those items from the consent agenda? | 00:07:23 | |
No, OK. Any members of the public? | 00:07:32 | |
Wishing to pull. | 00:07:36 | |
Any items from the consent agenda? | 00:07:39 | |
I see no hands raised. OK, great. Um, then we can close that public, little public comment. And we can. | 00:07:44 | |
Entertain a motion to approve the consent agenda. But anybody care to make that motion? | 00:07:57 | |
So moved. | 00:08:07 | |
Thank you. | 00:08:09 | |
I'll second that. | 00:08:11 | |
Great, we have a motion and a second. Can we get a roll call vote please? | 00:08:12 | |
Yes, we can. | 00:08:17 | |
Number Brooks. | 00:08:19 | |
Vice Chair Eldridge. | 00:08:23 | |
Aye. | 00:08:26 | |
Member Bornstein. | 00:08:27 | |
Secretary Sutfin aye. | 00:08:30 | |
And chair Boyle. | 00:08:32 | |
Aye. | 00:08:33 | |
The board has voted 5 to 0 to approve the motion. | 00:08:35 | |
And the motion has passed. Thank you. | 00:08:39 | |
Thank you. | 00:08:42 | |
Now we're going over to our. | 00:08:44 | |
Regular agenda and we'll start with item 8A. | 00:08:48 | |
Architectural permit and coastal development permit. | 00:08:54 | |
Number. | 00:08:58 | |
23-0023. | 00:09:00 | |
Location, 100 Asilomar Ave. | 00:09:03 | |
Can we have a staff report please? | 00:09:07 | |
Yes, good afternoon, Chair, board members and members of the public. I'm Laurel O'halloran presenting this architectural permit | 00:09:11 | |
and coastal development permit for 100 Asilomar. | 00:09:16 | |
The proposed project includes the construction of 188 square foot, one story addition of a sunroom to an existing one story single | 00:09:21 | |
family residence. | 00:09:26 | |
The property is located at a Solamar and Lighthouse Ave. and is located in the coastal zone and an archaeological sensitive area. | 00:09:31 | |
And within an environmentally sensitive habitat. | 00:09:40 | |
An archaeological survey report was prepared for a previous project at the property by a qualified archaeologist. | 00:09:43 | |
The report concluded that the subject property contains no indication of cultural sites, features or artifacts. | 00:09:50 | |
The project is conditioned to address inadvertent discovery of human remains or cultural artifacts. | 00:09:57 | |
Since the proposed addition is located on a previously developed and disturbed and would not disturb new area, the report remains | 00:10:02 | |
valid for the current project. | 00:10:06 | |
The applicant has provided a project data sheet. | 00:10:11 | |
Indicating that the development standards of the zoning district, including building coverage, site coverage and gross floor area | 00:10:13 | |
have been met with no exceptions requested. | 00:10:18 | |
Staff recommends approval to the Planning Commission of the proposed architectural permit and coastal development permit. | 00:10:23 | |
Subject to the findings, conditions of approval and a class one. | 00:10:29 | |
Sequel exemption for existing facilities. | 00:10:33 | |
This concludes my staff report and the. | 00:10:35 | |
Applicant is here to speak for the questions and I'm also available. Thank you. | 00:10:39 | |
Thank you for that staff report. Does the applicant care to? | 00:10:43 | |
Speak. | 00:10:48 | |
No, OK. | 00:10:50 | |
We can open this up for. | 00:10:52 | |
Public comment. | 00:10:56 | |
If anybody in the audience cares to speak, you can just stand up and walk right over to the podium. | 00:11:03 | |
And if anybody in our audience virtually would like to speak, now is your chance to raise your virtual hand. | 00:11:08 | |
I see no hands raised. | 00:11:18 | |
I'm going to give it about another 30 seconds. | 00:11:21 | |
OK. | 00:11:32 | |
I'm confident nobody's trying to raise their hand. We'll go ahead and close public comment and bring it back to the board. Does | 00:11:33 | |
anybody have any comments? | 00:11:37 | |
Burning desire to speak first. | 00:11:40 | |
I'll fix that. | 00:11:45 | |
It's my understanding that this project has been. | 00:11:47 | |
Before us a couple of times at the last. | 00:11:51 | |
Two consecutive hearings and they you didn't have your netting up or? | 00:11:54 | |
There was some minor issues. | 00:11:58 | |
At this point I. | 00:12:00 | |
I feel like I'm very familiar with what your objectives are and. | 00:12:01 | |
I don't have any concerns, nor does it seem like anyone in the community does, so I would. | 00:12:05 | |
I'm pretty comfortable with this and and I'll just leave it at that. Great. | 00:12:10 | |
Thank you. | 00:12:14 | |
I will agree with Commissioner Eldridge, it's a really conservative addition and I hope the property owners can enjoy their new | 00:12:16 | |
space. | 00:12:20 | |
I approve. | 00:12:25 | |
I feel the same. Either of you guys wish to speak? | 00:12:27 | |
No. | 00:12:30 | |
I totally concur. Our apologies for. | 00:12:32 | |
You being. | 00:12:36 | |
Pushed and pushed and thank you for your patience on behalf of the Board and and I think it's fair to say on the behalf of staff | 00:12:38 | |
as well. | 00:12:42 | |
OK, we can we can wrap it up then and. | 00:12:47 | |
If somebody would like to. | 00:12:50 | |
Make a motion. | 00:12:53 | |
Please feel free. | 00:12:55 | |
I would like to make a motion that we approve this project as proposed. | 00:12:56 | |
I would second. | 00:13:01 | |
OK, we have a motion and a second. Can we get a roll call vote please? | 00:13:04 | |
Yes, Vice Chair Eldridge. | 00:13:09 | |
Aye member Bornstein. | 00:13:12 | |
Chair Boyle aye member Brooks. | 00:13:14 | |
Aye. | 00:13:17 | |
Good Terry Sutphin. | 00:13:19 | |
Motion passes 5 to 0. Thank you. | 00:13:21 | |
Great. | 00:13:27 | |
All right, at this time, I think we're having vice chair. Eldridge is recusing himself. | 00:13:28 | |
And we will. | 00:13:37 | |
Move on to item 8B. | 00:13:40 | |
This is architectural permit and administrative use permit. | 00:13:43 | |
And a tree permit with development. | 00:13:49 | |
23-00 | 00:13:54 | |
Sorry 03034960 Bayview Ave. | 00:13:57 | |
And can we please have a staff report? | 00:14:02 | |
Yes, good afternoon Chair Boyle and board members. | 00:14:06 | |
The project site is located at 960 Bayview Ave. and the R1 Zoning District property is an 11,100 and square foot interior lot. | 00:14:09 | |
Located on the north side of Bayview between 17 Mile Drive. | 00:14:19 | |
And Del Monte Blvd. | 00:14:23 | |
The property is located in the Archaeologically sensitive area and in the city's area of special biological significance. Property | 00:14:25 | |
is not listed on the city's Historic Resources Inventory. | 00:14:30 | |
The site is developed with a 2187 square foot, one story single family residence. | 00:14:35 | |
And 219 square foot detached garage. | 00:14:42 | |
The surrounding neighborhood is comprised of a mix of one and two-story single family residences of varying styles and sizes. | 00:14:45 | |
The applicant proposes 493 square feet of additions to the front and rear of the existing residence, allowing for a new master | 00:14:54 | |
bedroom and enlarged front bedroom. | 00:14:58 | |
The proposal includes an additional site coverage in the form of non exempt decks, patios and walkways that will bring the total | 00:15:03 | |
site coverage to 52.9%, not including the ministerially approved. | 00:15:09 | |
731 square foot detached. | 00:15:16 | |
AU. | 00:15:19 | |
The AU, being under 800 square feet, is exempt from site coverage requirements and does not require discretionary permit. | 00:15:21 | |
In addition, the tree permit with development for the removal of 143 inch Monterey pine is an association with the AU development | 00:15:28 | |
only. | 00:15:32 | |
A phase one Historical resources assessment was performed in November of 22. | 00:15:38 | |
By Historic Resource Associates and found that the residence is not eligible for state or federal listing and does not appear to | 00:15:44 | |
be eligible for inclusion. | 00:15:48 | |
On the historic resources inventory due to substantial renovations and additions that took place. | 00:15:53 | |
In 1949 and 1975. | 00:15:59 | |
Phase one and two archaeological assessments were performed in September of 22, also by Historic Resource Associates. | 00:16:02 | |
These assessments found that the property was not indicative. | 00:16:10 | |
Of. | 00:16:13 | |
Pre contact, use or occupation. | 00:16:14 | |
Existing residents, including the proposed addition, complies with applicable development standards regarding maximum allowed | 00:16:17 | |
floor area, allowed height and setbacks, maximum building coverage and maximum site coverage. | 00:16:22 | |
An existing nonconforming detached garage will undergo repairs with no increase in floor area. | 00:16:28 | |
The project is categorically exempt from Sequoia per Section 15301, pertaining to existing facilities, allowing additions and | 00:16:33 | |
alterations to existing facilities and structures. | 00:16:39 | |
And that concludes this staff presentation. I and the. | 00:16:44 | |
Applicant. | 00:16:49 | |
Are available for questions, and again I do want to. | 00:16:50 | |
Remind everyone that the Adu is ministerially approved and not part of this. | 00:16:54 | |
Application not part of subjective. | 00:17:01 | |
Review. | 00:17:05 | |
Thank you. | 00:17:07 | |
Thank you very much for that report. | 00:17:07 | |
Would the applicant care to speak? | 00:17:10 | |
I do have a question. Are we going to post the plans? Yes, we need to put them up. | 00:17:14 | |
Good afternoon, members of the Architectural Review Board. My name is Hunter Algis, and I've been working with Robert and Lisa | 00:17:33 | |
Kagami in their efforts to design an appropriate project to renovate and add on to this home at 960 Bayview for. | 00:17:40 | |
Well, over a year. | 00:17:47 | |
Umm. | 00:17:49 | |
I would like to start my presentation with the following statement due to the conclusions of my architectural historian, Mr. | 00:17:50 | |
Supernova. It's phase One historic report. | 00:17:55 | |
An agreement of cities planning staff with these conclusions. | 00:18:01 | |
The ARB is here today to review the proposed designs consistency with the cities architectural Design guidelines. | 00:18:05 | |
Planning staff has determined that the project follows zoning ordinances and applicable regulations. | 00:18:13 | |
So the Arby's job today is to evaluate the proposed design. | 00:18:18 | |
And decide whether it is appropriate and consistent with the guidelines. | 00:18:22 | |
It is not your responsibility to decide whether the project should be reviewed by the HRC versus the ARB. | 00:18:28 | |
And indeed, the project has been brought before you today because this decision decision has already been made. | 00:18:34 | |
I have also met with noted local architectural historian Kent Seavey regarding this property. | 00:18:41 | |
Mr. Seavey. | 00:18:48 | |
Has read Mr. Supernaut's report and had no objection to his assessment. | 00:18:49 | |
Indeed, I wanted to hire Mr. Seavey to serve as my architectural historian on this project, but he had to decline due to his close | 00:18:57 | |
involvement in resolving Mr. Hathaway's collection in the state. | 00:19:03 | |
Since Mr. Hathaway's estate is still in probate. | 00:19:09 | |
And Mr. Steve has been advised by his legal counsel not to involve himself in my project. | 00:19:12 | |
He had to decline from serving as the art as my historian. However, he did agree to share that he supports the conclusion. | 00:19:21 | |
Of the phase one assessment by Mr. Super Nawaz. | 00:19:27 | |
And he sees no reason to add this property to the city's HRI. | 00:19:31 | |
And I'll just leave it at that. | 00:19:36 | |
Umm. | 00:19:37 | |
My project historian did not overlook Mr. Seavey's great efforts. | 00:19:39 | |
And Mr. Hathaway's. | 00:19:45 | |
Significant contribution to the cities. | 00:19:47 | |
History in terms of the photographic collection that he. | 00:19:50 | |
Put together during his lifetime. | 00:19:55 | |
Let's all recognize that Mister Hathaway's collection of photos. | 00:19:57 | |
Is a treasure and absolutely worthy of preservation, and let's applaud Mr. Stevie for his efforts in preserving it. | 00:20:01 | |
But this isn't the topic we need to discuss today. | 00:20:07 | |
We are here today to review this proposed design and decide as to its consistency with the City's architectural design guidelines. | 00:20:10 | |
This House can be described as a Mediterranean eclectic, with a history of permit records clearly showing several modifications | 00:20:19 | |
over time. | 00:20:23 | |
It has been added on to modified and during Mr. Hathaway's period of residence it has suffered. | 00:20:27 | |
From a significant number of deferred maintenance issues. | 00:20:33 | |
Frankly, this property really needs to be renovated. | 00:20:37 | |
And that's what we are trying to do here. | 00:20:40 | |
There are at least two comments and letters of opposition. | 00:20:44 | |
Comparing my client's property to the La Porte mansion. | 00:20:48 | |
The LaPorte Mansion is beyond argument, one of the most important. | 00:20:52 | |
Pieces of architecture in this city's boundaries and comparing 960 Bayview is a big stretch of the imagination. | 00:20:55 | |
I don't want to spend much more time on this topic, but I did want to point out that there is a huge disparity between the | 00:21:04 | |
historic significance of the LaPorte Mansion versus 960 Bayview. | 00:21:08 | |
Beyond concerns about historic preservation, there have been comments from public questioning. | 00:21:15 | |
Our approach to tree protection, tree removal, archaeological protection, how we intend to connect to the municipal sewer system | 00:21:20 | |
and parking. | 00:21:24 | |
We have provided extensive reports. | 00:21:31 | |
From Frank Ohh, no. | 00:21:33 | |
Regarding all matters relating to trees on this property. | 00:21:36 | |
We have submitted an archaeological assessment from a qualified archaeologist. | 00:21:39 | |
We will connect to the municipal sewer system through an approved design with the blessing of the city's building department and | 00:21:44 | |
public works. | 00:21:47 | |
Just as anyone else would do, would be required to do to assure functional and legal disposal of wastewater. | 00:21:50 | |
Lastly, we meet the city's parking standards. | 00:21:57 | |
My clients could not be here today because they are currently in Mexico volunteering with their church to build a school for for. | 00:22:02 | |
Children far less fortunate than any of us in this room. | 00:22:09 | |
They're good people. | 00:22:12 | |
And I've been thoroughly enjoyed working with them on this lovely property. | 00:22:14 | |
They have long dreamed about having a nice home at Pacific Grove and it is their intention to invest a significant amount of money | 00:22:18 | |
and life energy into making appropriate renovations. | 00:22:22 | |
And additions to this residence. | 00:22:27 | |
I'm sure over time. | 00:22:30 | |
Once they move into their renovated home, everyone will realize that Bob and Lisa Tajimi are just the type of people we should all | 00:22:32 | |
welcome into this community. | 00:22:36 | |
And I'll leave it at that. Thank you. | 00:22:40 | |
Thank you. | 00:22:44 | |
Well, we can open. | 00:22:50 | |
This on. | 00:22:52 | |
Thank you. We can open it up to public comment. | 00:22:53 | |
At this time. | 00:22:58 | |
So if anybody in the audience cares to speak, then I would ask you to just come on up to the podium and we'll give you 3 minutes. | 00:23:00 | |
I'd like to speak on behalf of myself and my husband. We lived at 990 Bayview and in response to what Mr. Eldridge has said. | 00:23:15 | |
As far as the House being historical and can see his agreement. | 00:23:25 | |
In the report, The Phase one Report. | 00:23:29 | |
It actually says that the house does meet the criteria for Pacific Groves historical register. OK, so if he's agreeing with that | 00:23:32 | |
then I agree with that. | 00:23:37 | |
It's right here on page 11. I included. I sent a letter and it says clearly that it does qualify for the register. It was the | 00:23:42 | |
national and California register that it did not qualify for. | 00:23:47 | |
And part of that I want to just add it was in my. | 00:23:53 | |
A letter that they store the last store frontage that the neighbor had that Pat had closed around 2014. | 00:23:57 | |
And many people agree with that. And I have a a little thing from one of his friends saying, yes, it closed, he thought before his | 00:24:06 | |
mother died, which was the end of 2014. | 00:24:11 | |
So not all the information in that packet was accurate. | 00:24:16 | |
If you look at Yelp, the store is still open. | 00:24:20 | |
So anyway, if you went by Yelp, that was a problem. So anyway, and Pat. | 00:24:23 | |
You know, everyone agrees, I think is a very historical person. The other thing I wanted to. | 00:24:28 | |
Disagree with on that is that the house is associated with Pat and and the. | 00:24:33 | |
The photos, in fact. | 00:24:38 | |
Can't see V who was just spoken of. | 00:24:41 | |
Felt that there was such an association that he could not leave the house empty and he actually paid for a caretaker to live there | 00:24:44 | |
for a year to protect the photo collection because there was so much interest in it and people, yes, were coming by. | 00:24:51 | |
And stopping and ohh it's the Hathaway house and and and word of mouth people knew the photos were in there. | 00:24:57 | |
So that is not accurate on that statement. | 00:25:03 | |
I want to go on because as the neighbor all the additions are on my side, on the West side of their property and so right now I | 00:25:07 | |
have a flat top roof we see over to a nice forest, we see the Monterey Bay over there. The proposal is adding addition to the rear | 00:25:14 | |
on at right at our property line 4 1/2 feet and to the front. | 00:25:21 | |
And our property line, that's the main additions as far as I know is all on our property line. | 00:25:28 | |
Goes back beyond our property line to the neighbors behind and. | 00:25:33 | |
Almost to the front, you know you've got the 15 foot setback, so now you've got a big. | 00:25:37 | |
Wall. | 00:25:42 | |
I have a picture somewhere, but you've seen the picture. It's some little slided windows. | 00:25:44 | |
And my whole house. All my windows are directed that way. I have big picture windows. | 00:25:48 | |
And now I have just a view of a wall. There's pictures I sent in and so it's going up, out and out, and I have a picture from | 00:25:55 | |
every room it's shaded. | 00:26:00 | |
And my light has been dimmed. It will be diminished from the living room, family room, kitchen, dining room, my dining room. When | 00:26:06 | |
I sit there, I will look at a big wall with some little splits. It looks like a prison. | 00:26:11 | |
You know. | 00:26:16 | |
The rest of the house I'm sure is very nice. Front, other side. | 00:26:17 | |
And I have the least. | 00:26:21 | |
A setback. There's 4 1/2 feet on the existing house and he wants to continue that about another 5 seconds. How about for my | 00:26:23 | |
husband could speak for him? | 00:26:28 | |
Well, your time is up if he'd like to come out, if he doesn't want to talk. But anyway, I just want to say that it is a great | 00:26:33 | |
impact on us with that addition being so close to the sideline. And I think that I know he's now applied for an administrative use | 00:26:40 | |
permit and I think that should be denied. There's plenty of room on the other side where they can build out and it's not going to | 00:26:46 | |
affect anybody to the back to the other side. There's plenty of setbacks. Thank you for your comments. | 00:26:52 | |
OK. Does anybody else care to speak to this? | 00:27:02 | |
Project in the room. | 00:27:05 | |
Can we put the plans up and then see if we have any members of the virtual audience that would like to speak? | 00:27:09 | |
I have Miss Chiani would like to speak and I can't share the screen and do the timer. OK. So I'll get the plans back up right when | 00:27:21 | |
we're done with. Terrific. Thank you. | 00:27:26 | |
Thank you, Uh Pacific Growth has an amazing heritage of ferric structures and of notable residents inspired by the natural and | 00:27:33 | |
man-made beauty and diversity of this place. Pat Hathaway was one of those notable individuals. It's not clear how Mr. Soprano, | 00:27:41 | |
it's concluded that Pat Hathaway's home at 960 Bayview was not a location of where he curated, copied and sold his photographic | 00:27:49 | |
images. That is simply not the case. The city has a bifurcated and inconsistent. | 00:27:56 | |
Process for reviewing historic properties. That does not excuse excuse a RB from taking the historical character into account. | 00:28:04 | |
I hope that you all have. | 00:28:17 | |
The required. | 00:28:20 | |
Interest and knowledge in historic preservation and the Cultural resources. Pacific Grove. The familiarity with the City's | 00:28:22 | |
Historic Preservation Ordinance, including designation criteria. | 00:28:27 | |
The historic context statement and the Secretary of Interior Standards. Please consider whether you can actually make findings | 00:28:34 | |
necessary to approve this project based on the Phase one report approved by the applicant. the IT states on page 11 of 21 that the | 00:28:41 | |
property meets criterion H retaining enough character character defining elements of its Spanish Revival Mediterranean | 00:28:49 | |
architectural design for listing on the HRI, but the report fails to recognize criterion C also. | 00:28:57 | |
Applies, namely, that it is strongly identified with a person who's significantly contributed to the history of the City of | 00:29:04 | |
Pacific Grove. Please do not approve the current plans, which are not consistent with the Secretary of Interior standards as | 00:29:10 | |
required for a house that's eligible for the HRI. And please require an accurate historical report that adequately recognizes the | 00:29:16 | |
importance of Pat Hathaway and his work to Pacific Grove and beyond, and that recognizes his family residence at 960 Bayview as an | 00:29:23 | |
important. | 00:29:29 | |
Location based work. An accurate historical report is necessary before any plans are approved. The earlier modifications were | 00:29:35 | |
permitted during the historical period and were appropriate for the building. The proposed modifications are not appropriate. The | 00:29:41 | |
owners can enjoy reasonable use of their historic property without changing its appearance in such a way as to disqualify it from | 00:29:46 | |
eligibility. | 00:29:52 | |
HR. | 00:29:58 | |
And this project would. | 00:29:59 | |
Extra care and diligence are required for projects involving properties eligible for the HRI in order to protect PG's historic | 00:30:01 | |
resources. | 00:30:06 | |
And I would say also I I didn't. | 00:30:11 | |
Understand what was said about archaeology, but I see no indication in the permit or in the agenda report about an archaeological | 00:30:14 | |
report. | 00:30:19 | |
And and survey. And this is in the cities archaeological zone, which means it's an archaeologically sensitive area with the | 00:30:25 | |
likelihood of geological resources being unearthed during a ground disturbing work. And I also am not sure that this | 00:30:33 | |
administrative use permit followed. | 00:30:41 | |
The correct procedure. | 00:30:50 | |
So. | 00:30:53 | |
Thank you. | 00:30:54 | |
For considering my comments. | 00:30:54 | |
Thank you for your comments. | 00:30:57 | |
I have Miss Dahmer. | 00:31:01 | |
Thank you. | 00:31:07 | |
I'm really going to support the previous two comments made before me. | 00:31:08 | |
Normally I and and even in this case I like. | 00:31:15 | |
Hunter Eldridge's. | 00:31:20 | |
Plans and and drawings, but not this house and not this historic and it is, is, is. Pat Hathaway is one of our beloved. | 00:31:24 | |
Beloved. | 00:31:35 | |
Personages. | 00:31:36 | |
Here. | 00:31:38 | |
And continues to contribute. | 00:31:39 | |
To our history. | 00:31:42 | |
To so many of us and the entire community and communities beyond us. | 00:31:45 | |
There is no way that this cannot be historic and as was said. | 00:31:51 | |
In its own right, it could be listed. | 00:31:56 | |
For its style, I mean it's. | 00:31:59 | |
I just. | 00:32:02 | |
I just don't understand how. | 00:32:03 | |
There is so dismal much disconnect. | 00:32:07 | |
Between. | 00:32:10 | |
What we really want in his in our historical. | 00:32:12 | |
Resource. | 00:32:16 | |
Inventory and. | 00:32:17 | |
What's happening? | 00:32:20 | |
This is how we lose our history. | 00:32:22 | |
And the most. | 00:32:26 | |
The most horrifying thing is that we forget. | 00:32:29 | |
I think you probably need some sun studies on this house because the poor neighbor with losing her light is just a horrifying | 00:32:35 | |
thought. | 00:32:40 | |
And I can't imagine that it's going to be. | 00:32:46 | |
OK. | 00:32:50 | |
So please carefully consider. | 00:32:52 | |
And even though you're supposedly not to be asked, it needs. | 00:32:55 | |
Further scrutiny? | 00:33:00 | |
And. | 00:33:02 | |
We're not going to take it lying down. | 00:33:05 | |
Thank you very much. | 00:33:08 | |
Thank you for your comments. | 00:33:10 | |
Mr. Atkins. | 00:33:19 | |
Yeah. Hi. I'm Andy Atkins. I'm a neighbor on the downhill side at 951 Jewel. | 00:33:22 | |
Umm. | 00:33:28 | |
My comments are a little bit different than the previous comments and that's. | 00:33:29 | |
Around the ADUI am surprised to hear that it's administratively approved but I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll say this anyhow. I understand | 00:33:33 | |
regulations allow a US to be built. | 00:33:39 | |
Up to, you know, within 3 feet of the property line. | 00:33:47 | |
But if you look at the plans for the AU? | 00:33:51 | |
It and the big picture window facing out the back of the master bedroom inside the AU. | 00:33:54 | |
It's going to give the occupants a Clearview into my neighbor's backyard and into my backyard. | 00:34:01 | |
Umm. | 00:34:07 | |
There is plenty of room in the backyard of this property. There's no physical reason for the AD U to be built within 3 feet of the | 00:34:08 | |
property lines on the. | 00:34:14 | |
On the downhill side, so. | 00:34:20 | |
I humbly request that if that AU does get built. | 00:34:22 | |
That it's moved away from the property line so that. | 00:34:26 | |
People who live in that age, you do not have line of sight into my backyard nor into my neighbors backyard. That's a. | 00:34:30 | |
Becky Michael's backyard, So. | 00:34:37 | |
That's that's my. | 00:34:39 | |
That's my comment and request. | 00:34:41 | |
Thank you for your comments. | 00:34:46 | |
Mr. Chiani. | 00:34:56 | |
Good afternoon. | 00:35:01 | |
It's particularly unfortunate that the staff report is materially deficient. | 00:35:03 | |
In providing the Architectural Review Board with any of the General Plan policies. | 00:35:08 | |
In Chapter 7. | 00:35:13 | |
Historic and archaeological, excuse me, and archaeological resources. | 00:35:15 | |
Chapter 7. | 00:35:20 | |
States quote. | 00:35:22 | |
The purpose of preservation is to identify. | 00:35:23 | |
Protect and preserve. | 00:35:27 | |
The structures of Pacific Groves. Cultural and architectural history. | 00:35:28 | |
The staff report is also defective because it omits. | 00:35:33 | |
The following principle and the architectural review guidelines. | 00:35:37 | |
For single family residences. | 00:35:41 | |
It states quote. | 00:35:44 | |
In order to maintain and preserve Pacific grows natural. | 00:35:46 | |
And historic character. | 00:35:50 | |
The community has adopted an architectural review process that is specifically designed to. | 00:35:52 | |
Protect Pacific Groves architectural heritage. | 00:35:59 | |
Moreover. | 00:36:02 | |
The Pacific Grove Minicipal code for alterations and additions. | 00:36:04 | |
Provides that the quote. | 00:36:08 | |
Appropriate review authority. | 00:36:10 | |
Which in this case is the ARB. | 00:36:12 | |
Must be guided by the Secretary of interiors. | 00:36:15 | |
Standards. | 00:36:18 | |
And Appendix One of the architectural review Guidelines for the historic. | 00:36:19 | |
Buildings. | 00:36:25 | |
Which the report? | 00:36:26 | |
The staff report has admitted. | 00:36:28 | |
Those should be in front of you. | 00:36:30 | |
The applicants historical assessment determined that quote. | 00:36:32 | |
The residents at 960 Bayview Ave. | 00:36:36 | |
Does. | 00:36:40 | |
Does appear to meet criterion age? | 00:36:41 | |
Which is a reference to. | 00:36:45 | |
One of the historic. | 00:36:47 | |
Resource inventory is criteria for listing. | 00:36:50 | |
The consultant found. | 00:36:55 | |
That the existing house retains in his words enough character defining elements. | 00:36:59 | |
In my opinion. | 00:37:05 | |
The building is also significant due to its association. | 00:37:07 | |
With photographic. | 00:37:10 | |
Archivist Pat Hathaway. | 00:37:12 | |
And his California Views historic photo collection business. | 00:37:14 | |
Which contributed to the. | 00:37:19 | |
Culture, history, and development of Pacific Grove thus. | 00:37:21 | |
The Historic Resources Inventory Criteria, C. | 00:37:25 | |
For a listing. | 00:37:29 | |
In the HRI is satisfied and moreover the building retains. | 00:37:30 | |
The integrity from the historical period. | 00:37:35 | |
I strongly believe that the proposed remodel. | 00:37:38 | |
In addition, does not comply. | 00:37:41 | |
With the guidelines and standards and the municipal code. | 00:37:44 | |
Including, but not limited to. | 00:37:48 | |
The proposed placement of the addition on the front facade. | 00:37:50 | |
Or the proposed changes? | 00:37:54 | |
To the character defining. | 00:37:56 | |
Features of the historic resources. | 00:37:58 | |
Thus. | 00:38:01 | |
The findings required. | 00:38:02 | |
To approve the ARP. | 00:38:04 | |
Permit cannot be made and therefore must be denied. Thank you for your consideration. | 00:38:05 | |
Thank you very much for your comments. | 00:38:12 | |
Do you have any more public comments? | 00:38:21 | |
I see no other hands raised. | 00:38:23 | |
OK, and nobody else in the audience cares to speak. | 00:38:28 | |
My name is Daniel Soprano with Can I just ask you to speak as? Yeah, you don't have to speak right into it, but as close as as | 00:38:40 | |
comfortable. My name is Dana Supernodes. I'm the principal of Historic Resource Associates. | 00:38:47 | |
And I was asked to perform the archaeological inventory. | 00:38:54 | |
And to complete the phase one study of the resonance. | 00:38:58 | |
Umm. | 00:39:03 | |
So just to reiterate what we said earlier, there was a phase one. | 00:39:04 | |
And a phase two archaeological study done the property. | 00:39:08 | |
And that means not only visually examining the surface. | 00:39:11 | |
But actually digging. | 00:39:15 | |
Units shovel tests to determine that there if there's anything below grade. | 00:39:17 | |
And that's a standard procedure. Nothing was found. | 00:39:21 | |
It is an archaeological sensitive zone, but not all Pacific Grove. | 00:39:24 | |
Is, you know, covered with archaeological resources, they. | 00:39:29 | |
They're scattered throughout the city. | 00:39:32 | |
So though the finding was that there would be no effect to archaeological resources from the project. | 00:39:35 | |
I also looked at the house. | 00:39:40 | |
And gave it a lot of consideration. | 00:39:43 | |
Because I knew it was about how there's health. | 00:39:46 | |
And I knew pathway. | 00:39:49 | |
And there was an intimate friend upon Hathaway, but we did. | 00:39:52 | |
Business together. I provided him with photographs. | 00:39:55 | |
I collect photographs, ephemera in California and I've been doing that for 50 years. | 00:39:58 | |
The difference is it's not a negative thing. But I don't. I didn't monetize what I what I own. | 00:40:04 | |
Pat did. It was his business. | 00:40:10 | |
I collected solely for research purposes, but I had things that Pat wanted. | 00:40:12 | |
And. | 00:40:16 | |
Over the years, I've provided those to him. | 00:40:18 | |
My my assertion is that Path has Pat Hathaway's collection. | 00:40:21 | |
His place of business. | 00:40:25 | |
We're in three different locations. | 00:40:28 | |
And if you look at the newspapers there, it's pretty clear that he had two studios in Pacific Grove over the years. | 00:40:30 | |
And he had a studio in Monterey that I visited and he had his collection, or most of his collection there. | 00:40:36 | |
Umm. | 00:40:42 | |
And the other, I think the other factor with Pat Hathaway is that. | 00:40:43 | |
It's unusual to. | 00:40:48 | |
Designate a property significant for a person as a collector. | 00:40:50 | |
The norm is, you know, an artist. | 00:40:55 | |
Whose principal residence was used as a studio. | 00:40:57 | |
Or that event occurred and. | 00:41:01 | |
It was recognized as the principal place of that. | 00:41:04 | |
As an artist, as an example. | 00:41:08 | |
I have a I had a good friend. He's passed on, but he was a collector of. | 00:41:10 | |
Uh. | 00:41:16 | |
Of of art California art in his house, and he monetized that. But there's no assertion I've ever heard that the house would be. | 00:41:17 | |
Significant because he was a collector of art. | 00:41:25 | |
And I do think. | 00:41:29 | |
And I'll say it very clearly. | 00:41:30 | |
Pat Hathaway made it very important contributions to Pacific Grove. | 00:41:32 | |
He made important contributions to. | 00:41:37 | |
Collecting photographs. | 00:41:40 | |
And providing those to people and often selling those to people. | 00:41:42 | |
For use in research or for just simply displaying? | 00:41:46 | |
I think it deserves a lot of credit for that. I just didn't feel that the house. | 00:41:50 | |
Is the most representative location for Pat Hathaway's contribution. | 00:41:55 | |
I think there's a lot of ways that you can take. | 00:42:00 | |
Is the museum obviously has a collection of Historical Society. | 00:42:04 | |
But there are places in Pacific Grove where Pat Hathaway should be commemorated. | 00:42:08 | |
Is collection and I think for the public. | 00:42:13 | |
I I saw very little public benefit that the House. | 00:42:15 | |
Would be listed for Pat Hathaway. | 00:42:19 | |
And I did feel the house had architectural character. But as I said, under Sequel in the National Register, there are some real | 00:42:22 | |
serious concerns about its integrity. | 00:42:26 | |
The additions. | 00:42:31 | |
And it's also important to point out that the House. | 00:42:32 | |
Is not the halfway house, it's the Paul Hathaway house. Pauls were the first owners, the house states in 1925. | 00:42:35 | |
There's additions to date to the. | 00:42:42 | |
Late 40s, fifties in 1975. | 00:42:44 | |
The house is not pristine. | 00:42:47 | |
It's still, you know, if you look at the front of the house it it's still kind of looks like, I mean it looks like a | 00:42:49 | |
Mediterranean. | 00:42:52 | |
Spanish revival house. But if you really begin to look at the house and carefully examine it, you can see the back addition was a | 00:42:55 | |
major addition in the late 40s. | 00:43:00 | |
And then you have the front porch, which is altered. | 00:43:04 | |
And those are those are really important character finding features to determine a property being a significant property in | 00:43:07 | |
Pacific Grove, they always have been. | 00:43:11 | |
The front facade, the most important. | 00:43:16 | |
So I felt that lease under the National Register in the California register didn't qualify. | 00:43:18 | |
I also looked at the Civic Grove criteria in a way that. | 00:43:24 | |
Sort of helps you provide some guidance, but it's not the overarching. | 00:43:27 | |
Thing, that is. | 00:43:32 | |
The key to determining eligibility or historic significance for residents. | 00:43:34 | |
But it sort of guides you in in that sense. | 00:43:38 | |
So it was it was difficult and. | 00:43:41 | |
As I said, I I think Pat Hathaway did a wonderful thing. | 00:43:45 | |
For the community. | 00:43:49 | |
But I just don't think the house is the the best place to represent. | 00:43:51 | |
His work, I think there's lots of other opportunities and and places to do that. | 00:43:54 | |
So. | 00:43:59 | |
Any questions? | 00:44:00 | |
I have it up. | 00:44:02 | |
I have a lot of questions my my initial one is just a. | 00:44:03 | |
Clarifying point and. | 00:44:07 | |
You at the start of your comments you you mentioned the phase one and two. | 00:44:09 | |
Archaeological. | 00:44:14 | |
Surveys. Did you do those as well as the historic research? So you did all three. You did 3 reports. | 00:44:17 | |
Initially I did the archaeological study. That was the first thing that I did. | 00:44:24 | |
OK. | 00:44:28 | |
Hmm. | 00:44:29 | |
If you don't hold it down, it's just an on off. There you go. | 00:44:33 | |
You got it. Very helpful. Perfect. | 00:44:37 | |
Umm and and when were the? | 00:44:40 | |
Phase one and phase two archaeological studies done. | 00:44:43 | |
Uh, let's see what were the dates of that. So the report was done. | 00:44:47 | |
In. | 00:44:53 | |
Let's see. I just bought part of that in September. | 00:44:56 | |
October was the phase one report, historical report, so was probably September. | 00:44:59 | |
I believe. | 00:45:05 | |
OK. | 00:45:08 | |
I have more. I have a lot, but we'll we'll we'll get there. | 00:45:10 | |
OK. Thank you. We may call you back up if we have some questions. I appreciate your testimony. I think that was a wonderful | 00:45:14 | |
addition. Thank you. | 00:45:18 | |
I don't see any other hands raised. So at this time I'm going to go ahead and close public comment, We'll bring it back to the | 00:45:23 | |
board. | 00:45:28 | |
We can discuss and then maybe what we'll do is sort of develop what questions that we have for. | 00:45:33 | |
The architect or? | 00:45:41 | |
Whoever. | 00:45:45 | |
Else we may have questions. | 00:45:46 | |
Or so. | 00:45:48 | |
Did you want to? | 00:45:49 | |
Open up with what questions just to us and then we can chime in. | 00:45:50 | |
Sure, yeah, I'm happy to start. | 00:45:56 | |
I I I want to start with saying that I think the plans look. | 00:46:00 | |
They look beautiful to me. | 00:46:04 | |
It's my subjective opinion. I think they they look. | 00:46:07 | |
Lovely. | 00:46:10 | |
Umm. | 00:46:11 | |
Have a couple questions. | 00:46:13 | |
The first one just. | 00:46:16 | |
With, well, maybe the first one is kind of a comment with respect to the AU. | 00:46:18 | |
I appreciate that. It's. | 00:46:22 | |
Within the. | 00:46:26 | |
Code guidelines of the three foot setback I also though. | 00:46:28 | |
Hear the comments from the. | 00:46:33 | |
Public. | 00:46:36 | |
And. | 00:46:37 | |
It seems to me that. | 00:46:39 | |
Not that we could. I don't think it would be my place to to mandate that it be. | 00:46:43 | |
Moved, but certainly I want to just provide my personal comment that it might be a neighborly thing to do. It seems like there is | 00:46:48 | |
a lot of space that it could be pushed back. | 00:46:54 | |
But I'm not sure. | 00:47:01 | |
What the considerations are there, but I wanted to at least state that that. | 00:47:03 | |
I think that if if there is an ability to. | 00:47:07 | |
Push it back. | 00:47:10 | |
Away from both of the. | 00:47:12 | |
North and East. | 00:47:15 | |
Property lines. | 00:47:17 | |
That would be a, in my opinion, neighborly thing to do. | 00:47:19 | |
The most managers jump in real quick, and let's just say that that is entirely. | 00:47:22 | |
And I know you're you're missing that, but I just want to reiterate that would be entirely up to the applicant since they do meet | 00:47:28 | |
the state requirements for an Adu. | 00:47:31 | |
For ministerial approval, I've just, I'm not right. I know that. I said yeah, I just want to. I'm just reiterating just for our | 00:47:35 | |
sake. Thank you. Thank you. | 00:47:39 | |
I I think the. | 00:47:45 | |
Central. | 00:47:47 | |
Question and that I have. | 00:47:48 | |
And it has been, I think, appropriately raised by the public and I've. | 00:47:52 | |
I've read through the Phase one assessment. | 00:47:57 | |
And and I reached the same conclusion and and I I just have to say I'm a little confused. | 00:48:00 | |
Umm. | 00:48:06 | |
Page 11 The final paragraph of the report of the written report. | 00:48:07 | |
Does. | 00:48:12 | |
That. | 00:48:13 | |
960 Bayview Ave. does appear to meet criteria on H. | 00:48:14 | |
Now set aside the criteria on C which. | 00:48:19 | |
I I think. | 00:48:23 | |
Subjectively, there's there's valid points to be made there. It's not something that I have the expertise to decide upon. | 00:48:25 | |
But. | 00:48:32 | |
Regardless criterion age of PG. | 00:48:34 | |
Municipal code 2376025. | 00:48:38 | |
Appears to have been met and by the. | 00:48:42 | |
By the assessments own. | 00:48:46 | |
Statement earlier on in the assessment on page. | 00:48:48 | |
9. | 00:48:52 | |
It says if it is determined that a resource is eligible. | 00:48:54 | |
For listing under one or more of the above sources than a phase two. | 00:48:59 | |
Historical resource assessment is triggered. | 00:49:03 | |
And that is. | 00:49:06 | |
Verbatim or very close there too. | 00:49:08 | |
To the actual. | 00:49:11 | |
City of Pacific Grove Guidelines for Historic Assessments. | 00:49:13 | |
On page two of that. | 00:49:17 | |
Document says. | 00:49:20 | |
If it is determined that a resource is eligible for listing or under one or more of the above sources, than a phase two assessment | 00:49:23 | |
is triggered. | 00:49:27 | |
So my first and. | 00:49:31 | |
Primary question that I have is. | 00:49:34 | |
It doesn't. It doesn't seem like this is appropriately before us. It seems like a phase two assessment. | 00:49:36 | |
Is required here. | 00:49:41 | |
And so that's just my initial question. It seems like there's a hurdle that a phase two assessment should have been done or or | 00:49:44 | |
needs to be done and then. | 00:49:47 | |
Quite frankly, I'm, I'm. | 00:49:51 | |
Now forgive me for my ignorance here, but I'm. | 00:49:53 | |
I'm not entirely sure the procedure for. | 00:49:56 | |
Whom would? | 00:49:59 | |
Would receive and evaluate that phase two assessment, whether it would be the ARB or whether it would be the HRC. | 00:50:00 | |
Who would then determine? | 00:50:09 | |
And evaluate it. | 00:50:11 | |
Evaluate the recommendations and the comments provided in this assessment and then determine whether the property should be on the | 00:50:12 | |
HR I. | 00:50:16 | |
So that was my. | 00:50:20 | |
That's my primary concern and comment. | 00:50:22 | |
I also have some comments with respect to the. | 00:50:27 | |
The UP I was, I was a little kind of. | 00:50:30 | |
I was a little confused there in terms of. | 00:50:32 | |
Umm. | 00:50:36 | |
In terms of just? | 00:50:38 | |
Guidance for for how we determine. | 00:50:39 | |
Whether. | 00:50:42 | |
What I guess, what guidelines to follow, whether to determine? | 00:50:44 | |
Uh. | 00:50:47 | |
Whether that should be approved or not, the the 20% of the site of the site with. | 00:50:49 | |
Essentially from my read of that meaning that. | 00:50:56 | |
It would be 12 feet total, 6 feet times 210 to 20% and then that would essentially be we'd be able to. | 00:50:58 | |
They're asking for use to. | 00:51:06 | |
I guess. | 00:51:09 | |
Lessen some of the side setback. | 00:51:10 | |
Uh. | 00:51:13 | |
And then? | 00:51:14 | |
Increase. | 00:51:15 | |
The other setback, So that is all within 12 feet. | 00:51:16 | |
But I was confused on what guidelines. | 00:51:20 | |
To to evaluate that on so that was a a side. | 00:51:22 | |
Subsequent question that I had, Scott, can I get clarity on that? Are you asking is the 12 feet for the AU or for the house? Thank | 00:51:26 | |
you. Great question. I didn't know that that was another question that I had. I wasn't entirely sure what the AUP was for, what | 00:51:32 | |
setbacks it was it was in it was referring to so. | 00:51:38 | |
Thank you. | 00:51:44 | |
Do you want to you want to comment on that? | 00:51:45 | |
Yes, thank you, Chair. First we. | 00:51:48 | |
I apologize that it doesn't, I think in staff. | 00:51:53 | |
Part We just make the assumption that because it's ministerially approved at the Adu that all of this is regarding. | 00:51:56 | |
The the the primary structure. | 00:52:05 | |
So and I believe that it's 14 1/2 feet total for those sides or when you do the 20%, it's 14 1/2 feet since I think it's 73 feet. | 00:52:08 | |
Width of the lot. | 00:52:22 | |
Just sorry to interject, but sure that that's that's great and very helpful. Just the first sentence. | 00:52:25 | |
First part of that first line. | 00:52:32 | |
And the report just says the required side yard setback is 10% of site with. | 00:52:33 | |
Or 6 feet for each side. So that's where I got the 12 feet, but. | 00:52:39 | |
So. | 00:52:43 | |
OK, so yeah, so it's. | 00:52:45 | |
That's one section if you're going to go with the the 10%. | 00:52:49 | |
Then you have. | 00:52:55 | |
That's 10% for each side. | 00:52:56 | |
So it's right now it's a 73 foot lot. So if you use the 10% it would be. | 00:52:59 | |
7.3 feet. | 00:53:05 | |
Minimum. | 00:53:08 | |
Side yard. | 00:53:11 | |
So you'd go to the next standard which needs a use permit is to use the 20%, which is an aggregate of the two. | 00:53:12 | |
With a minimum of the three feet. | 00:53:19 | |
So it's you take the 20% which is the 14 1/2 feet. | 00:53:22 | |
Total. | 00:53:26 | |
And you can go 3 feet on down to three feet on one side with approval from the use permit and then 11 1/2, yeah. | 00:53:27 | |
Great. That all makes perfect sense. | 00:53:36 | |
The. The. | 00:53:38 | |
The final point I guess to that is. | 00:53:40 | |
What's the guideline? How do I? How are we supposed to determine whether or not? | 00:53:43 | |
That. | 00:53:48 | |
What's the criteria there for determining whether we should approve? | 00:53:49 | |
That. | 00:53:53 | |
I I couldn't find it in the code when I looked. | 00:53:54 | |
And so I'm not entirely sure how to evaluate that. | 00:53:58 | |
Through the chair. Are you asking about approving the administrative use permit? Correct. So that's a staff approval that's not. | 00:54:01 | |
Air B approval. | 00:54:08 | |
Very good. And we do have findings that we meet to approve it and it's the directors decision. | 00:54:10 | |
OK, so then. | 00:54:16 | |
And they are. | 00:54:18 | |
If I'm wrong, they are meeting the guideline. They're meeting that yes, yes. | 00:54:20 | |
If it's not. | 00:54:24 | |
OK. That makes sense. That's very helpful. Thank you for the clarity. | 00:54:26 | |
Perfect. | 00:54:31 | |
Check off that box for me at least. | 00:54:32 | |
And then yeah. | 00:54:35 | |
The main issue just to. | 00:54:37 | |
Loop back is for me. My question is, is that phase two assessment? I'm just. | 00:54:39 | |
Confused on why that. | 00:54:43 | |
Wasn't done. | 00:54:45 | |
And whether it needs to be done, and then to whom it is presented to, to which committee? | 00:54:48 | |
So if. | 00:54:54 | |
If a phase two. | 00:54:56 | |
A historic assessment, yes, was done. | 00:54:59 | |
Then would that, would it be dependent on what the phase two result would be, whether it would go to HRC or ARB? No, no. So phase | 00:55:03 | |
two is only done of it is actually on the historic resources inventory? | 00:55:10 | |
Of phase one is done, if it's questionable, it's basically triggered by age, is that correct? It's a phase 1A. Phase one is | 00:55:18 | |
triggered by age, but a phase two is that you already are on the the Historic Resources Inventory and what you're proposing meets | 00:55:24 | |
the Secretary of Interior standards for a historic home. | 00:55:31 | |
That. | 00:55:38 | |
That wasn't my read of the. | 00:55:40 | |
Guidelines. So my read of the guidelines was that. | 00:55:43 | |
A phase two is automatically triggered if it's on the HR HR, I understood. | 00:55:47 | |
But if it's not on the HRI and then there is a phase one assessment and the phase one assessment. | 00:55:53 | |
Determines that a resource is eligible. | 00:55:59 | |
Then it triggers a phase two. | 00:56:02 | |
Yes, but it was determined in the phase one that it's not eligible. | 00:56:05 | |
But that's. But no, it wasn't. | 00:56:09 | |
But that's the other whole point, is that the phase one assessment in the final paragraph? | 00:56:11 | |
Apology for for my confusion if I if I'm misreading this, but it seems mostly that's eligible. | 00:56:17 | |
But it does not merit designation eligibility and historical designation it's not. | 00:56:23 | |
If then. | 00:56:30 | |
So it can meet the criteria for, you know, based on its age, but based on. | 00:56:33 | |
The addendum there too it's it's not the best in class example of a home of that style and age. There are other, better | 00:56:39 | |
representative. | 00:56:43 | |
Examples. | 00:56:47 | |
So you can be eligible. Does that make more sense just based on? | 00:56:48 | |
Age alone. | 00:56:52 | |
But. | 00:56:53 | |
Please. Yeah, yeah, I'm. I'm still not. | 00:56:55 | |
Convinced there. And that doesn't really seem to make sense to me. So yeah, appreciate more clarity. Yeah, I'll, I'll, I'll do my | 00:56:58 | |
best. Sure. So. | 00:57:02 | |
Again, when I looked at the house, when I look at any house I look at. | 00:57:06 | |
When it was built. | 00:57:10 | |
I look at. | 00:57:11 | |
The characteristics of the House and the alterations of the House. | 00:57:13 | |
I did exactly that and I found that, you know, as I looked at the house more closely, I found more alterations. | 00:57:17 | |
I didn't realize the front porch had been altered. I didn't realize the extent of the back you could see when you go inside the | 00:57:24 | |
house. | 00:57:27 | |
And the other thing that you have before, that was before you is the Paging Turnbull study. | 00:57:30 | |
And the Pigeon Turnbull study laid out of context. | 00:57:37 | |
And in the study, they have one criterion. It's called significant without integrity. | 00:57:40 | |
Basically what that's getting at is that you could have a house. | 00:57:45 | |
That may have value, but architecturally it's been altered. | 00:57:49 | |
And what has been designed by Hunter at least. | 00:57:53 | |
In my opinion, you know. | 00:57:57 | |
Takes that house to maintains its historic feeling of a Spanish survival house. | 00:58:00 | |
And you know, allows for the individuals to do something more. | 00:58:06 | |
In keeping what they desire to do. | 00:58:11 | |
Because the house already doesn't have integrity. | 00:58:13 | |
So it's sort of a. | 00:58:16 | |
It's sort of a catch 22 a little bit, but in this case. | 00:58:17 | |
I felt the house. | 00:58:20 | |
Still looks like a Mediterranean house, but it's had a lot of alterations. | 00:58:22 | |
And you know what? A phase two make a difference. | 00:58:27 | |
It it may not because I I if I were to do it, I would argue that the house has already been altered. | 00:58:31 | |
Dramatically over the years. | 00:58:37 | |
And and maybe not during this period significance because it was Bill 1925. | 00:58:39 | |
And what they're doing is sort of taking it and bringing it back to some degree because the porch has been changed. | 00:58:43 | |
And then they're pushing it out a little bit in the front, but it won't look dramatically different. | 00:58:49 | |
So it's kind of a. | 00:58:53 | |
It's an appropriate. | 00:58:55 | |
You know, I think you know method to preserve the house, but to enhance the house. | 00:58:57 | |
Your question about. | 00:59:02 | |
And this is what the falls with the city in terms of. | 00:59:04 | |
They're protocol for a house. That's sort of borderline. It's not listed. | 00:59:07 | |
And there are other people that I talked to, but I won't name names that felt it shouldn't be listed either. | 00:59:13 | |
That are very knowledgeable about the history of Pacific growth. That doesn't mean that it isn't emblematic of. | 00:59:19 | |
Mediterranean architecture. It's just that it's lost a lot of its. | 00:59:25 | |
Character over the years. | 00:59:29 | |
As you said, it's not pristine. | 00:59:32 | |
It's definitely not pristine. Yeah, I that that's clearly the case. | 00:59:33 | |
Yeah. | 00:59:38 | |
Does that. That helps. Unfortunately, unfortunately it doesn't. | 00:59:39 | |
I don't disagree at all again that I think the plans look beautiful and I agree with everything you said in terms of if it was, | 00:59:44 | |
if, if I thought it was up to me to determine whether or not. | 00:59:50 | |
The plans were appropriate and. | 00:59:57 | |
Added added value and were in keeping with. | 01:00:01 | |
The. | 01:00:05 | |
The historical integrity, you know, that's a separate question. And and. | 01:00:07 | |
I just don't think that it is. This is the. | 01:00:11 | |
It doesn't appear to me that this is the proper form for That appears to me the proper form for determining whether or not the | 01:00:14 | |
house. | 01:00:18 | |
Whether or not these plans. | 01:00:22 | |
Are in our support the historical integrity and are are in line with it. That's the determination it seems to me and I apologize, | 01:00:26 | |
I'm I I'm not. I could be ignorant here but it seems to me that's a determination for the HRC and it's at least it seems to me. | 01:00:34 | |
That it's a that they phase two assessment. | 01:00:41 | |
Should be conducted here. I I certainly think if phase two. | 01:00:45 | |
Assessment. | 01:00:50 | |
Should be required it seems. | 01:00:51 | |
That seems to be just by the flat, plain reading of this phase one assessment. | 01:00:55 | |
And by my read of the. | 01:01:00 | |
Historical. | 01:01:02 | |
Umm. | 01:01:04 | |
Pacific Grove Guidelines for Historic Assessments. | 01:01:06 | |
So I I've. I've been, I've heard. | 01:01:10 | |
Conflicting thoughts here. | 01:01:13 | |
But. | 01:01:15 | |
Quite frankly. | 01:01:16 | |
That's not what I'm reading. | 01:01:18 | |
And. | 01:01:20 | |
I what what the historical assessment says is. | 01:01:23 | |
If the and what your report says. | 01:01:26 | |
Is that if it is determined that a resource is eligible doesn't mean that it? | 01:01:29 | |
It. | 01:01:33 | |
There's a question there and there's an ambiguity ambiguity there in terms of whether it. | 01:01:34 | |
It is actually. | 01:01:38 | |
Umm. | 01:01:40 | |
A historical resource or not, but whether it's. | 01:01:41 | |
You can determine whether it potentially could be eligible. | 01:01:44 | |
And then your your report says. | 01:01:46 | |
It does appear to be eligible to meet that criterion. | 01:01:49 | |
So then phase two seems to me that it should be triggered and should be conducted and I would encourage. | 01:01:53 | |
Not only phase two, but. | 01:02:00 | |
I would encourage. | 01:02:02 | |
In the phase two assessment. | 01:02:03 | |
That there is a deeper dive and evaluation. | 01:02:05 | |
Not only of all the criterion of. | 01:02:10 | |
23.76.025. | 01:02:12 | |
But specifically of? | 01:02:15 | |
Subdivision C. | 01:02:16 | |
Because I do think it's not for me to determine, but I do think there are certainly credible arguments here. | 01:02:19 | |
That another forum should decide of whether or not. | 01:02:25 | |
The home qualifies under that subdivision. It might not. It might be irrelevant. I mean, if it qualifies under age, presumably. | 01:02:30 | |
Then it should be under the HRI. | 01:02:36 | |
It should be under the Historic Resources inventory, just under that alone. | 01:02:40 | |
That we we just need to determine well we just had. | 01:02:44 | |
We we had an overabundance of homes on the on the HRI so Page and Turnbull. This is going years back Page and Turnbull was hired | 01:02:48 | |
as a consultant. | 01:02:53 | |
To go through our historic resources inventory. | 01:02:59 | |
And look at all the homes that were on the inventory because back in the 70s it was a very popular thing to. | 01:03:02 | |
Have your house be on the historic registry SO page and Turnbull. | 01:03:09 | |
And the Historic Resources Committee. | 01:03:14 | |
Um went, went through, let me back up Page and Turnbull went through and looked at the homes. | 01:03:17 | |
Umm. | 01:03:27 | |
That were questionable. There were some that were obviously. | 01:03:29 | |
Should not have been on there. | 01:03:34 | |
Umm. | 01:03:36 | |
The ones that were questionable. | 01:03:37 | |
Were brought in front of. | 01:03:40 | |
The HRC and they were either kept on or removed from the HRI. | 01:03:43 | |
This House, however. | 01:03:49 | |
Was never on the HRI. | 01:03:51 | |
So that's where this. | 01:03:54 | |
Conundrum is. | 01:03:56 | |
And in my. | 01:03:58 | |
Knowledge and I always say staff. If I am out of line please tell me. | 01:04:00 | |
What we are here to do is to look at the. | 01:04:08 | |
Architectural. | 01:04:13 | |
Guidelines. And it's not our place to determine whether or not this is. | 01:04:15 | |
A historic home it is not. | 01:04:22 | |
It is. That's what I'm saying. Yes, right. And and years and years and years ago. | 01:04:26 | |
Actually when I first started on a RB. | 01:04:30 | |
We did see. | 01:04:35 | |
Umm. | 01:04:38 | |
Historic homes. | 01:04:39 | |
And. | 01:04:41 | |
I don't know. What do you call them? Regular houses? Non historic homes? | 01:04:43 | |
And. | 01:04:47 | |
Just within the last probably 5-6 years, Laurel, is that about right? Yeah, it was about four years ago that we started having | 01:04:48 | |
that. We split it, yeah, to take some of the load off of the ARB. So then the HRC would then see. | 01:04:55 | |
These homes that were on the HRI. | 01:05:03 | |
So it's it's a conundrum. | 01:05:06 | |
That were in the midst of. | 01:05:10 | |
And I can see where you're. | 01:05:12 | |
Having a hard time with this. | 01:05:14 | |
But. | 01:05:17 | |
To me, the if you're gonna, you know, take all this. | 01:05:18 | |
Wonderful. | 01:05:22 | |
Broth and simmer it down. | 01:05:24 | |
The bottom line is. | 01:05:28 | |
And this is my opinion. We are here today not to determine whether or not this home. | 01:05:30 | |
Should or should not be on the Historic Resources Inventory. | 01:05:38 | |
We are supposed to be looking at. | 01:05:43 | |
And not even the 80U. | 01:05:46 | |
We are supposed to be looking at the plans before us. | 01:05:49 | |
And. | 01:05:52 | |
Making a determination. | 01:05:54 | |
Up to. | 01:05:56 | |
Ohh no, we're making, we are making an approval or. | 01:06:00 | |
What have you? | 01:06:04 | |
Based on our architectural review guidelines. | 01:06:06 | |
And I. | 01:06:11 | |
New Pat Hathaway. | 01:06:13 | |
I bought pictures from him, thought he was a really wonderful person. | 01:06:15 | |
And and I think there is a place. | 01:06:20 | |
That we should honestly have a. | 01:06:23 | |
A permanent. | 01:06:27 | |
Display of the things that he curated and collected and. | 01:06:29 | |
Umm. | 01:06:33 | |
But. | 01:06:34 | |
I have to agree with the. | 01:06:36 | |
The report that I'm reading. | 01:06:39 | |
I I I think I don't mean to just monopolize the time. And I'm here and I appreciate. | 01:06:43 | |
All of those comments. | 01:06:50 | |
The the only. | 01:06:53 | |
Point. | 01:06:54 | |
And I apologize if I haven't been clear. | 01:06:55 | |
So I I do take. | 01:07:00 | |
Issue with the underlying. | 01:07:02 | |
Assertion that. | 01:07:06 | |
That the plans are properly before us in whether we have proper standing is is how I would phrase it and and I just I I framed | 01:07:08 | |
that. | 01:07:14 | |
Only because. | 01:07:20 | |
The phase one assessment. | 01:07:22 | |
Says. | 01:07:26 | |
That it does appear to meet a criterion. | 01:07:27 | |
And then the phase one assessment and our guidelines say that if it does appear to meet a criterion. | 01:07:30 | |
It requires a phase two assessment, so. | 01:07:37 | |
If, if, the assessment said. | 01:07:40 | |
It doesn't appear to meet any criterion. | 01:07:43 | |
Then I would. | 01:07:46 | |
Agree with you that this would be properly before us to evaluate. | 01:07:47 | |
But it doesn't say that, and so I. | 01:07:53 | |
I could not. | 01:07:56 | |
I could not. | 01:07:58 | |
Approve it. | 01:07:59 | |
Under the under these circumstances I suppose it I hope that makes sense and and again I I follow your lead also Sarah in terms of | 01:08:01 | |
saying. | 01:08:05 | |
If I'm out of line, please let me know. | 01:08:09 | |
You know, I've only been here for for half a year, so I'm. | 01:08:12 | |
If I'm if I'm missing something, that's what I'm I would. I would like to be informed about it. | 01:08:16 | |
Please Madam Chair, can I ask a quick question and maybe this might help since you have the person who wrote the report the if you | 01:08:21 | |
notice the criterion A through H are all inclusionary. | 01:08:27 | |
I. | 01:08:34 | |
Is exclusionary. | 01:08:35 | |
And I think the question you might want to pose to our historian is why? | 01:08:37 | |
And, and I, by the way, for those at home, whether a resource with historic or cultural significance retains historic integrity. | 01:08:45 | |
So the question might be, why didn't that end up on the report? | 01:08:53 | |
That could be. | 01:08:57 | |
Because that that would be like you meet these, all of these, and it says at the end there's no integrity. | 01:09:00 | |
So that's the question that I think that. | 01:09:06 | |
You might want to. | 01:09:08 | |
Pose if you're so inclined because. | 01:09:10 | |
There is one exclusionary. | 01:09:13 | |
Item. | 01:09:16 | |
I'll I'll one more and I'll I'll concede time. | 01:09:20 | |
Just intuitively, I'll just close on this point for for now, just intuitively. | 01:09:25 | |
It seems. | 01:09:30 | |
This would seem to make sense to me that. | 01:09:31 | |
How it would work? | 01:09:35 | |
Would be. | 01:09:36 | |
You would conduct a phase one assessment. | 01:09:37 | |
And what that phase one assessment is trying to do is determine hey is are, are there some potential. | 01:09:39 | |
Concerns here. | 01:09:45 | |
Do we have some potential? | 01:09:47 | |
Issues. | 01:09:50 | |
That could make this home, could could say that this home is should be on the HRI and if that is. | 01:09:51 | |
If if there is something there, there is an inkling. | 01:09:58 | |
Then we should delve deeper. | 01:10:01 | |
And ensure. | 01:10:03 | |
And to determine whether or not that is in fact the case. | 01:10:05 | |
And that would be a phase two assessment and that's what the seems to me what the historical guidelines say. | 01:10:09 | |
Umm. | 01:10:16 | |
But that's that's just my read of it and I apologize if I'm being obtuse and. | 01:10:17 | |
Not not correctly. | 01:10:22 | |
Assessing the situation, for lack of a better word. | 01:10:25 | |
No, I appreciate that. | 01:10:28 | |
OK. If we have more questions, we may call you back though. | 01:10:30 | |
Thank you. | 01:10:33 | |
I will politely disagree. I don't think a phase two would be necessary. I think there are enough findings and information here to | 01:10:37 | |
make a decision both here and. | 01:10:41 | |
Really. | 01:10:47 | |
The Historic Resources Board of So inclined. | 01:10:49 | |
I think the report's pretty clear that it it's it's eligible, but it's lost so much integrity that it's not a good example, and it | 01:10:51 | |
wasn't found to be eligible. | 01:10:56 | |
Under the criteria of an important person. | 01:11:01 | |
And that doesn't diminish Mr. Hathaway's contributions. I personally had not heard of him before, but I really enjoyed learning | 01:11:04 | |
about him. | 01:11:08 | |
And and I. | 01:11:11 | |
I think we should be grateful we don't often have physical. | 01:11:13 | |
Materials that represent notable people's contributions to this city and in this case we do, we have a really large collection | 01:11:17 | |
that the community. | 01:11:21 | |
Banded together to preserve. | 01:11:26 | |
And so there is an area that you can go and and see his materials and all of his photos digitally and then physical prints as | 01:11:28 | |
well. | 01:11:32 | |
So we don't need to tether it to the House. | 01:11:36 | |
Right. And if there are three other locations, you know, every every place can't be historic. | 01:11:39 | |
So we. | 01:11:44 | |
I concur with the historians report that that the House. | 01:11:46 | |
Just by nature would not be historic and. | 01:11:51 | |
Relationship to Mr. Hathaway. | 01:11:56 | |
Umm. | 01:11:58 | |
And I do have a couple comments on the actual design. | 01:12:00 | |
Umm. | 01:12:05 | |
Specifically the tree removal, I think we covered through Mr. Ono's report, there was concern. | 01:12:07 | |
We did get public comment on the tree. | 01:12:14 | |
But but Mr. Owners report was pretty clear that it was diseased. | 01:12:16 | |
Parking appears adequate. It's a very long driveway and. | 01:12:22 | |
Street parking there. | 01:12:27 | |
In regards to the positioning of the AD U, with the understanding that it's ministerially approved, I'm not sure if the | 01:12:28 | |
positioning is. | 01:12:32 | |
Umm. | 01:12:36 | |
Up for debate or not but? | 01:12:38 | |
My my comments. I know we have received comments from the Westerly neighbor about privacy concerns. | 01:12:41 | |
Umm. | 01:12:47 | |
The AD is actually on the furthest. | 01:12:48 | |
Side opposite of their property. | 01:12:50 | |
And I I feel that the way the design is laid out, the view impacts are kind of buffered by that patio and you're looking into the | 01:12:53 | |
living space not necessarily a. | 01:12:59 | |
A private bedroom. So for the Westerly neighbor, it does seem to be the most neighborly design and positioning. | 01:13:05 | |
And then the easterly neighbor with concerns about the three foot setback. I would like to hear Mr. Eldridge's design strategy for | 01:13:13 | |
for that. | 01:13:16 | |
Placement. It does seem logical. | 01:13:21 | |
Although. | 01:13:25 | |
I'm and I'm not sure how much. | 01:13:26 | |
This project would benefit from scooting it over a couple feet. | 01:13:29 | |
And then finally, it really is a conservative design that Harkins back to the original. | 01:13:35 | |
Design and feel and very modest. | 01:13:42 | |
For the for the property. | 01:13:46 | |
And. | 01:13:48 | |
Also with the AU it does contribute to the to the housing goals for this community and we do need to absorb housing units across | 01:13:49 | |
the city, so therefore I fully support this project. | 01:13:54 | |
I'm gonna echo what what? Anna said. Thank you. Made my job easier. | 01:14:07 | |
I think the design is. | 01:14:11 | |
Is fantastic. I really like it. I. | 01:14:13 | |
Yes, I hear neighborhood good neighborly concerns. We certainly have all been there. | 01:14:16 | |
Umm. | 01:14:21 | |
But I'm respecting what I'm hearing from the city that we're here to to vote on the design. | 01:14:24 | |
And to understand the historic decisions have been made. | 01:14:30 | |
And then? | 01:14:34 | |
As Pat's wonderful contributions can be can be taken in with in other locations. | 01:14:35 | |
I don't have any other comments. | 01:14:42 | |
Maybe we could ask the architect to come up and just. | 01:14:44 | |
Just share with us because you talked, didn't talk a whole heck of a lot about the design, but I would love to hear. | 01:14:49 | |
About the side yard setback and. | 01:14:57 | |
You know there's always a method to your madness. If you could just share with us your thoughts. Can you share the OR screen share | 01:14:59 | |
the site plan? | 01:15:04 | |
Thank you. Helpful. | 01:15:08 | |
That's believe the existing site plan. | 01:15:24 | |
Existing. | 01:15:29 | |
You're gonna need to get into the proposed sheets. | 01:15:30 | |
Keep going. | 01:15:33 | |
There you go. | 01:15:35 | |
Yep. | 01:15:36 | |
Stop right there. | 01:15:37 | |
So this this is actually the proposed floor plan, but we can start here. | 01:15:39 | |
When I started working for the new owners of this property. | 01:15:45 | |
They had the objective of creating a three bedroom home and to do that we. | 01:15:50 | |
Split these 400 and some odd square foot additions half towards Bayview and half towards the rear yard. | 01:15:58 | |
As you can see in this plan, the the darker beige colour represents additions. | 01:16:04 | |
And then the lighter colors are the existing footprint. | 01:16:11 | |
Umm. | 01:16:14 | |
In the backyard, we were constrained by our desire to preserve the Redwood tree. That's. | 01:16:18 | |
Quite close to the. | 01:16:26 | |
Proposed. | 01:16:29 | |
Project. | 01:16:30 | |
Between the proposed deck and proposed master bedroom, Mr. Ono gave us a 7 foot. | 01:16:31 | |
Set back from the diameter of the tree and we respected that and. | 01:16:38 | |
So there's reasons that we are keeping the. | 01:16:43 | |
The master bedroom addition. | 01:16:47 | |
On the West side of the property because we're trying to protect this. | 01:16:50 | |
Protected Redwood tree in. | 01:16:54 | |
Moving those additions. | 01:16:58 | |
Towards any closer to the tree would be detrimental to the tree's health. So there's that's one of the reasons we asked for the | 01:17:01 | |
AUP. | 01:17:04 | |
It is administratively approved. | 01:17:09 | |
And we met the findings for that part of it that was also just to kind of maintain one consistent line with these additions front | 01:17:13 | |
and rear along that existing 4 foot, six side yard with the West property boundary. | 01:17:20 | |
It just looked clean that way to to us. | 01:17:27 | |
So that I think that speaks for the most part to the. | 01:17:33 | |
Kind of the, well, I would also say that, you know, we wanted to create a little bit more of an inviting portico to the front | 01:17:37 | |
door. | 01:17:40 | |
There was an addition. | 01:17:45 | |
Permitted edition. I believe it was circa 1975 where they. | 01:17:47 | |
Bumped out of very low and I would say oppressive. | 01:17:52 | |
Shed. | 01:17:55 | |
Roof over the front door, overhang with a with an. | 01:17:58 | |
Arched opening and. | 01:18:01 | |
If you look at any photographs of that, it it's very dark, it's very low and not particularly inviting. | 01:18:04 | |
And we felt that opening up this. | 01:18:11 | |
Gable and and giving it a little bit. | 01:18:14 | |
A little bit more pizzazz and. | 01:18:17 | |
We added some wrought iron details to it and and all of this is kind of trying to pay homage to the. | 01:18:20 | |
Spanish revival and Mediterranean style that that we were working with. We're not trying to deviate in any direction other than | 01:18:28 | |
just kind of celebrating what we really the best parts of this house. | 01:18:33 | |
You know, I've let my historian speak a little bit to the how, how he does his job because frankly that's why he's here. But I've | 01:18:40 | |
worked on a lot of historic properties and. | 01:18:46 | |
Usually when I step onto a property and it's historic. | 01:18:53 | |
It looks like a time capsule. It's all original it it's intact, at least the the majority of the structure. | 01:18:57 | |
Has been unmodified and that's what makes it significant. And. | 01:19:07 | |
This property is is an example of something that's really been chopped up over time and if you go up to the city and you pull the | 01:19:11 | |
permit file, you can see the record of permits. So there have been over time it's been added on to, it's been modified. The | 01:19:18 | |
additions in the back in my opinion are are very unattractive with this flat parapet roof. | 01:19:25 | |
We're trying to bring back the the. | 01:19:32 | |
Clay tile roof that is much more attractive we're. | 01:19:35 | |
We're embellishing upon a lot of the details that I think are appropriate for this style of a home and. | 01:19:39 | |
We've really worked hard to get it here and and I I think it's a nice looking project. I I realize a lot of members of the | 01:19:46 | |
community don't want to see any change here, but. | 01:19:50 | |
I have to respectfully. | 01:19:57 | |
Stick to my guns and try to. | 01:19:59 | |
Get this approved on behalf of my client because I I I just. | 01:20:01 | |
I don't feel bad about anything I've done here. | 01:20:04 | |
Umm. | 01:20:07 | |
But again, this is a this is a home that's been chopped up and modified. Again, the permits are all on file. They my historian | 01:20:09 | |
references them in his report. | 01:20:15 | |
Umm. | 01:20:21 | |
I've worked in a lot of historic homes and they've. | 01:20:22 | |
They it's just not the same thing. And. | 01:20:25 | |
I realized Scott this you're you're asking a lot of questions. | 01:20:27 | |
Some of them to me are just, in my opinion, having worked on a lot of historic homes. It's it's it's pretty obvious to me why, why | 01:20:32 | |
this is a different. | 01:20:36 | |
Situation. And again, I think we all agree. | 01:20:40 | |
Mr. Hathaway's collection is is important and it's it's being preserved. | 01:20:44 | |
This just doesn't seem like the most appropriate way to particularly. | 01:20:51 | |
For the public to enjoy that. | 01:20:57 | |
It's a private residence and a residential community that's full of private homes and and. | 01:21:00 | |
I. | 01:21:07 | |
I feel good about what I'm doing here, so. | 01:21:08 | |
Thank you. Do you have any other questions for me? | 01:21:10 | |
I I think just to address the the placement of the AD and I can see how it's aligned with the with the garage. | 01:21:13 | |
Again, is Mr. Anna's report. | 01:21:22 | |
Noted it. It is a seriously hazardous and diseased tree and. | 01:21:24 | |
As we all know, these Monterey Pines are dangerous and. | 01:21:30 | |
Once that was identified as as, I mean there's. | 01:21:34 | |
3 trees in the backyard and they're all large trees and and it and Mr. made it clear that this tree. | 01:21:37 | |
Was the one that was diseased and and most likely you know, to to be hazardous to the surrounding community so. | 01:21:43 | |
Once it was identified that that tree was. | 01:21:50 | |
Hazardous. | 01:21:54 | |
We looked at the property accordingly and that corner of the property became. | 01:21:55 | |
The the ideal place to to locate the AU. It's also the lowest point on the property. | 01:22:01 | |
And I think that's important to note because. | 01:22:07 | |
As we push it. | 01:22:10 | |
In any direction. | 01:22:12 | |
Either West or South, which is the only direction we can push it. It will increase in its height and the the windows that that | 01:22:14 | |
face. | 01:22:19 | |
The various neighbors we'll have, we'll be looking out at those properties from a higher vantage point. | 01:22:24 | |
And it's also important to note that. | 01:22:31 | |
On both of those property lines there's a six foot wooden fence and we plan on maintaining those fences. | 01:22:34 | |
And so when you really look out these windows, you're not looking directly into the neighbors yard, you're looking primarily at a | 01:22:40 | |
wood fence and then up towards the sky. | 01:22:44 | |
Umm. | 01:22:49 | |
I'd be happy to talk to my client about subtle adjustments to the location of it, but I still think it it belongs in that corner | 01:22:52 | |
of the property. | 01:22:55 | |
And again, it's really not subject to much discussion here based on state law, but I believe in being neighborly and and looking | 01:23:00 | |
at that and I'd like to talk to my client a little bit more about about the concerns there, but. | 01:23:06 | |
Again, I also think if you push it towards a higher elevation. | 01:23:13 | |
It's only going to make it some. | 01:23:18 | |
And privacy issues? More of a concern in my opinion, so. | 01:23:20 | |
Yeah. | 01:23:25 | |
Any other questions? | 01:23:26 | |
No, that was wonderful. Thank you. If we need you, we'll call you back up. Thank you. | 01:23:28 | |
I have one please. | 01:23:34 | |
Just wait to talk until you get right up to your microphone. Pretty please. Thank you. Thank you. One of the other considerations, | 01:23:38 | |
and it's not ratified as I understand it, is this idea of character properties. | 01:23:43 | |
That are not listed properties on the HRI. | 01:23:49 | |
Is that correct? | 01:23:53 | |
There's been discussion, there's there's discussions, but there's not an existing character list, right, exactly. And that that's | 01:23:54 | |
kind of where I was going with this is it has character. It still feels Mediterranean, but I'm aware that there's been some | 01:23:59 | |
dramatic changes to it. | 01:24:04 | |
And they're not, want to say, sympathetic, but they're not. | 01:24:09 | |
Historically. | 01:24:13 | |
You know, a portrayal of the original property. | 01:24:14 | |
And the character issue is not ratified, so you can't. | 01:24:17 | |
You know, say, well, maybe it's a character property, but not worthy of listing. | 01:24:22 | |
So I just want to make that point and maybe someday there will be. | 01:24:26 | |
That official. | 01:24:29 | |
Character property as a as a second or third tier. | 01:24:31 | |
That makes sense. We're 4th tier I guess. | 01:24:35 | |
And then properties like this that have been altered but still kind of have a feel can be considered as character properties, but | 01:24:38 | |
not worthy of that but the listing. | 01:24:43 | |
Official listings. | 01:24:48 | |
Thank you. And I'm glad that he brought that up, because I actually sat on the. | 01:24:49 | |
Umm. | 01:24:56 | |
Historic Resources Inventory. | 01:24:58 | |
Panel. | 01:25:02 | |
With Page and Turnbull and we had lengthy discussions about creating. | 01:25:04 | |
Separate like sub lists of. | 01:25:11 | |
Character. | 01:25:18 | |
Character homes. | 01:25:20 | |
And that they wouldn't be subject to. | 01:25:21 | |
The same rules as a historic. | 01:25:24 | |
Umm. | 01:25:29 | |
Home. | 01:25:30 | |
But in having these very lengthy discussions, we realized. | 01:25:32 | |
We would be pigeonholing ourselves. | 01:25:38 | |
And creating a whole new set of. | 01:25:41 | |
Issues. | 01:25:45 | |
And so. | 01:25:47 | |
You know, discussing it ad nauseam, we decided against that and. | 01:25:48 | |
Umm. | 01:25:53 | |
But it's but but it's a valid it's a valid thing and and on paper it sure looks great. | 01:25:54 | |
To do that but. | 01:26:01 | |
Umm. | 01:26:03 | |
I. | 01:26:04 | |
Umm. | 01:26:05 | |
Quite frankly, I really like. | 01:26:09 | |
Um, what the Architect has done here? I I like the change of the entry. I feel like the. | 01:26:12 | |
The two. | 01:26:19 | |
Remodels that were done that are at least on record that have been done, I think did no favors. | 01:26:22 | |
To the home and I think that the. | 01:26:30 | |
The modifications. | 01:26:36 | |
And maybe subsequent undoing of. | 01:26:38 | |
You know some of the things that were done back in the. | 01:26:42 | |
Late 40s and mid 70s I think are going to. | 01:26:45 | |
Umm. | 01:26:50 | |
Bring back this house and make it. | 01:26:53 | |
Like it's. | 01:26:56 | |
You know, original glory. | 01:26:57 | |
Umm. | 01:27:00 | |
I just, I think it's a wonderful home. I think it's it's. | 01:27:02 | |
Unfortunate that we're. | 01:27:07 | |
That were put in this position of the. | 01:27:08 | |
The his historic. | 01:27:11 | |
A piece of it, I I don't think that the. | 01:27:14 | |
I think that. | 01:27:20 | |
Probably the. | 01:27:23 | |
Only thing that might make this. | 01:27:24 | |
This. | 01:27:26 | |
Home, a historic home, would be the fact that Pat Hathaway it was his family home, but I believe strongly that. | 01:27:28 | |
He was a wonderful person and he. | 01:27:37 | |
Collected. | 01:27:41 | |
Some amazing works, but I do not think that that you know based on my understanding and. | 01:27:42 | |
Umm. | 01:27:50 | |
Studies that that does not determine this to be. | 01:27:52 | |
Umm. | 01:27:56 | |
A historic home because of. | 01:27:57 | |
The person who? | 01:28:00 | |
Resided there. | 01:28:02 | |
That those are my comments. Does anybody else want to? | 01:28:05 | |
Comment and I'll conclude or won't be that presumptuous. I'll I'll just finish myself. | 01:28:08 | |
But again, reemphasizing that I think the plans are. | 01:28:15 | |
Beautiful. I would. | 01:28:19 | |
Love to have that as as as my personal home. | 01:28:21 | |
I just think my my. | 01:28:27 | |
Issue is an issue of procedure. The statute which is statutes here subject ones. | 01:28:29 | |
Which I deal with daily 23.76.03 O. | 01:28:37 | |
Says that the IT is the HRC's determination to decide whether or not a property should be listed on the HRI. So it's all | 01:28:42 | |
irrelevant on, in my opinion, of whether or not we think we. | 01:28:49 | |
Think this property should be on the HR I. It's not a determination for us to make. | 01:28:55 | |
I think that a phase two assessment is has been triggered should be done. | 01:29:01 | |
And then the HRC HRC should detect should determine whether or not the home is on an HR is on the HRI. | 01:29:06 | |
And then proceed accordingly. | 01:29:14 | |
OK, great. | 01:29:17 | |
Do you have any more comment? | 01:29:21 | |
I don't want to belabor this too much, but I'm I. | 01:29:24 | |
Maybe I shouldn't, but I'm not sure what you know. | 01:29:28 | |
This project or might gain from the from the phase two in my opinion and I do have experience with historical. | 01:29:31 | |
Properties and and procedurally so I I think I. | 01:29:39 | |
Would. | 01:29:44 | |
Yeah. | 01:29:45 | |
Not recommend that and leverage the. | 01:29:48 | |
Historians reports that we have and even his rebuttal. Thank you for providing a rebuttal. | 01:29:53 | |
That was nice. | 01:29:58 | |
To do to respond to public comment there. | 01:30:00 | |
I think we can probably. | 01:30:04 | |
Wrap this up and. | 01:30:07 | |
If somebody would like to make a motion. | 01:30:10 | |
I'll make a motion to approve this project as is. | 01:30:17 | |
No conditions. | 01:30:21 | |
I'll second that. | 01:30:26 | |
OK, so there's a motion on the table, and that motion would be. | 01:30:28 | |
To approve the. | 01:30:35 | |
APA UP and. | 01:30:39 | |
Uh. | 01:30:42 | |
Tree permit 22-0303 Subject to the findings, Conditions of Approval and Class 1 Sequoia Categorical Exemption. | 01:30:43 | |
We have a motion, We have a second. | 01:30:51 | |
Can we get a roll call vote please? | 01:30:54 | |
Yes, member Bornstein. | 01:30:58 | |
Aye. | 01:31:00 | |
Secretary Suppan. | 01:31:01 | |
Aye, chair Boyle. | 01:31:02 | |
Aye. | 01:31:04 | |
Member Brooks. | 01:31:05 | |
Motion passes 321 and 1 recuse. | 01:31:07 | |
Thank you. | 01:31:13 | |
All right, moving on to item. | 01:31:17 | |
8C. | 01:31:25 | |
I think I'm going to wait for a second and see if we're going to get our. | 01:31:26 | |
Vice chair. | 01:31:31 | |
Back and. | 01:31:34 | |
Item 8C. | 01:31:38 | |
Would be architectural permit 22-0320 for 170 Slope Ave. | 01:31:44 | |
Do we have a staff report? | 01:31:52 | |
Yes, we do. | 01:31:56 | |
Good afternoon Chair Boyle and board members. | 01:32:01 | |
The proposed project includes the remodel of an existing 1054 square foot two-story single family dwelling involving the | 01:32:03 | |
replacement of existing windows. | 01:32:08 | |
Replacement of the existing composition asphalt shingle roof. | 01:32:14 | |
And extending the main entry porch area and roof overhang. | 01:32:18 | |
The proposed proposed project also includes a 307 square foot wood deck in the rear at the basement level. | 01:32:22 | |
The resulting residents, including the basement, would have a gross floor area of 1065 square feet. | 01:32:29 | |
Which does not include the 163 square foot AU that has been proposed. | 01:32:35 | |
As proposed, the project complies with the zoning regulations set forth in Pacific Grove Municipal Code 23.28 R 4. | 01:32:43 | |
This includes, but is not limited to, height limits, setbacks, gross floor area, and allowable site and building coverage. | 01:32:50 | |
No exempt exceptions have been requested. | 01:32:57 | |
And staff has reviewed the guidelines, plans and zoning code and determined the project is consistent with the applicable | 01:33:02 | |
requirements. | 01:33:05 | |
CD staff determined the project to be exempt from the requirement to obtain a coastal development permit and forward this | 01:33:10 | |
determination to the Coastal Commission. | 01:33:14 | |
Staff recommends the IRB approved the architectural permit subject to the recommended findings, conditions of approval and a Class | 01:33:20 | |
1 Sequa exemption for existing facilities. | 01:33:25 | |
This concludes the staff presentation. I'm available for questions as is the applicant. Thank you. | 01:33:30 | |
Thank you for that report. | 01:33:38 | |
Does the applicant care to? | 01:33:41 | |
Give some testimony. | 01:33:45 | |
Let me see. | 01:33:53 | |
He got his hands raised, Mr. Innards. | 01:33:54 | |
Yes, hi there. Are you able to hear me? | 01:33:59 | |
Yes. | 01:34:02 | |
Great. I don't have any additional comments to add. I think the staff report is sufficient. Thank you for giving it. I just want | 01:34:03 | |
to make sure that I'm here for any questions if you have them. Thank you. | 01:34:09 | |
Thank you. | 01:34:15 | |
OK. We will go ahead and open this up for public comment. | 01:34:20 | |
Anybody in the audience here wish to speak? You can go ahead and go to the podium. | 01:34:24 | |
And our friends in. | 01:34:30 | |
Virtual land can raise their. | 01:34:33 | |
Virtual hands. | 01:34:36 | |
I have Miss Dahmer's hand raised. Great. | 01:34:38 | |
Thank you. | 01:34:43 | |
Of course, you know that the picture you're seeing up there of the project is absolutely. | 01:34:45 | |
Erroneous. | 01:34:52 | |
I hope you have received my letter with. | 01:34:55 | |
Pictures Ohh yes I'm a resident of this street. Slowed Ave. It's 3 Doors Down from me. | 01:34:58 | |
And. | 01:35:05 | |
It's an interesting thing that nothing was said of the fact that this is red tagged. | 01:35:09 | |
Because they violated. | 01:35:15 | |
A building without a permit. | 01:35:17 | |
And just far exceeding. | 01:35:20 | |
What they were legally able to do. | 01:35:23 | |
And this is this is very disconcerting. | 01:35:27 | |
Because of the process. Again, it's it's another process. | 01:35:32 | |
Like I first brought up this project at the HRI. | 01:35:36 | |
Because. | 01:35:41 | |
Because it was supposedly the only way that it was going, only public hearing it was going to have. | 01:35:44 | |
And yes, it was determined, not historical, which that's OK with me too. | 01:35:52 | |
Obviously I'm historical. | 01:35:58 | |
But. | 01:36:02 | |
The problem was this is a. | 01:36:02 | |
An LLC. | 01:36:05 | |
That bought the property actually has a homeowners exemption on it. | 01:36:07 | |
Though none of them have lived here. | 01:36:12 | |
And got an interior remodel permit. | 01:36:14 | |
And then decided to add a JDUADU on. | 01:36:18 | |
That had a door connecting to the STR with an active license, so I had to bring these things up in a roundabout way to the HRI. | 01:36:22 | |
HRC, Because that was the only public hearing it was going to have. | 01:36:33 | |
In working with Joe Sidor and the problems that it had with the connecting door. | 01:36:38 | |
And all these other ones, it was definitely. | 01:36:43 | |
Then scheduled. | 01:36:47 | |
For a hearing to get an architectural. | 01:36:49 | |
Permit itself. | 01:36:52 | |
It has an exemption from the CDP, which is the only way we found out about it anyway, was the CDP. | 01:36:55 | |
Application form which. | 01:37:02 | |
Miss Lisa Chiani was on the list. | 01:37:04 | |
They got it so that the plans were there. | 01:37:07 | |
OK, here we are. | 01:37:10 | |
At Mr. Joe Sidor, as you all know, is. | 01:37:12 | |
Not with us right now, I. | 01:37:18 | |
Certainly worked with him and with Chief Madalone and. | 01:37:22 | |
With Andrew Butler. | 01:37:27 | |
Because of these extreme violations. | 01:37:29 | |
Of our code. | 01:37:34 | |
Umm. | 01:37:37 | |
So here we go, Joe Sidor had said. Ohh yes, all of this would be in. | 01:37:38 | |
The report which the report you have right now is. | 01:37:46 | |
I consider it a fallacy. | 01:37:51 | |
Umm. | 01:37:55 | |
Unfortunately what happened was the also the construction workers of doing this illegal work not permitted work. | 01:37:58 | |
Outside. | 01:38:07 | |
Just going ahead with the plans that they've done, which from my photos I I hope you can see that they've already done it. | 01:38:09 | |
Umm. | 01:38:18 | |
The workers. | 01:38:21 | |
We have a residential parking permit program on our street, first set up in 1983 or 4 when the aquarium opened up because we are | 01:38:22 | |
the closest free parking to them. | 01:38:29 | |
So we have an agreement with the Coastal Commission. | 01:38:36 | |
And set an ordinance here. | 01:38:40 | |
That it's only a limited 2 hour public parking and all the rest must have permits. | 01:38:43 | |
And we do, we pay for our permits these. | 01:38:50 | |
Contractors or construction company decided they really didn't need them and their workers took over the public parking on our | 01:38:54 | |
street. | 01:38:59 | |
For all day. | 01:39:04 | |
Can you we We appreciate your testimony and gut Your time is up. Would you mind giving us about another 10 seconds? | 01:39:07 | |
Thank you. I don't have any particular problem. I don't like it now, but that's just personal. I think the. | 01:39:19 | |
It's it's kind of a ridiculous thing, but other than that, it's like whatever you change, you can change. | 01:39:27 | |
But one thing that needs to happen is that they buy a permit for their workers on the street. | 01:39:34 | |
Thank you. | 01:39:39 | |
Thank you. Appreciate you being here. | 01:39:41 | |
All right, we've got one more. | 01:39:44 | |
Hand up. | 01:39:46 | |
Bing. | 01:39:49 | |
Yes, we have Miss Chiani. | 01:39:50 | |
Thank you. | 01:39:54 | |
Well, the staff oral report was very incomplete. | 01:39:55 | |
Causing inga to. | 01:40:02 | |
You know to have to spend all her. | 01:40:04 | |
3 minutes. | 01:40:07 | |
Explaining the actual situation. | 01:40:09 | |
And and the and the. You know, the written report wasn't complete. | 01:40:12 | |
So it's really disappointing the process. | 01:40:17 | |
For this one, I also was at the HRC. | 01:40:20 | |
Hearing and and they came very close, actually to putting it on the HRI. | 01:40:24 | |
Umm. | 01:40:30 | |
But. | 01:40:32 | |
In any case. | 01:40:33 | |
There's been a real. | 01:40:35 | |
Lack of genuine. | 01:40:40 | |
Umm. | 01:40:42 | |
Responsibility for this project. | 01:40:43 | |
And. | 01:40:46 | |
Umm. | 01:40:47 | |
I I wish I could suggest some mitigation. | 01:40:49 | |
Other than finally getting a a parking permit. | 01:40:53 | |
But. | 01:40:57 | |
I. | 01:40:59 | |
It. | 01:41:01 | |
It's too much for me, this one. | 01:41:02 | |
This is too convoluted. | 01:41:04 | |
And. | 01:41:06 | |
And it should should not have. | 01:41:07 | |
It should have been. | 01:41:09 | |
Stopped, and it should. | 01:41:11 | |
I don't know. | 01:41:13 | |
Been required to do. | 01:41:18 | |
Something. | 01:41:20 | |
To. | 01:41:21 | |
Make up for for all that they have done that was not in cordance with their permits. | 01:41:23 | |
Thank you. | 01:41:31 | |
Thank you. | 01:41:35 | |
I see no other hands raised. | 01:41:38 | |
OK. We can go ahead and close public comment and I. | 01:41:43 | |
I'm just going to. | 01:41:51 | |
Say my one little thing. | 01:41:54 | |
My. | 01:41:56 | |
Be in my bonnet is that it is a. | 01:41:57 | |
Huge. | 01:42:00 | |
Umm. | 01:42:02 | |
Disappointment to me when people. | 01:42:03 | |
Go above and beyond their. | 01:42:06 | |
Permits and their scope of work. I'm in this industry. | 01:42:08 | |
It takes more time to go. | 01:42:12 | |
Along with what the rules, regulations and laws are, and it's the right thing to do. | 01:42:16 | |
And. | 01:42:21 | |
Unfortunately. | 01:42:23 | |
What these people did before? | 01:42:24 | |
Umm. | 01:42:27 | |
Is sort of none, in my opinion, none of our business. We are looking at it now. We're trying to. | 01:42:31 | |
Basically right or wrong? | 01:42:37 | |
And. | 01:42:40 | |
Uh. | 01:42:42 | |
I. | 01:42:43 | |
My apologies, I usually try to go last but. | 01:42:47 | |
I'll just leave it be in my bonnet right now. | 01:42:51 | |
Umm. | 01:42:54 | |
I am I also completely? | 01:42:55 | |
Feel I live on a narrow St. I've got construction next door to me. I've got construction across the street from me. I have | 01:43:00 | |
construction going on at my own home. Parking is an absolute nightmare. So I can I I can feel for. | 01:43:07 | |
What Inga is going through? | 01:43:15 | |
I did talk to. | 01:43:18 | |
The building inspector and. | 01:43:23 | |
He basically said that. | 01:43:26 | |
It is. | 01:43:30 | |
Umm. | 01:43:32 | |
Something that is gonna need to be. | 01:43:33 | |
Brought up the whole parking permit thing is going to need to be brought up with the Police Department. | 01:43:35 | |
And essentially. | 01:43:41 | |
We can't scold these people. | 01:43:46 | |
Anymore than I just did, but. | 01:43:49 | |
We just have to, I think, look at. | 01:43:53 | |
What they're doing now and try and. | 01:43:55 | |
You know, on the exterior. | 01:44:02 | |
Apply our guidelines and see if it's something that we're. | 01:44:05 | |
We're OK with so that we can all. | 01:44:08 | |
Move forward and. | 01:44:11 | |
Move ahead. | 01:44:12 | |
Umm. | 01:44:14 | |
I don't know, but you guys go ahead and I'll get off my soapbox. | 01:44:17 | |
Well, can I ask for clarity because I'm one here we are trying to approve those who are following the rules and laws and. | 01:44:22 | |
And getting permits ahead of time. | 01:44:29 | |
So what happens in this case when they move forward? | 01:44:31 | |
Without the permits. | 01:44:35 | |
I mean it's red tagged but. | 01:44:37 | |
Yes, through the chair that that's what happens. There's been a stop work order put on there by. | 01:44:39 | |
Code enforcement and the building official. | 01:44:45 | |
OK. | 01:44:47 | |
And and yes, the Chief of police has gotten involved with the parking and all the all all of engage concerns are being addressed. | 01:44:48 | |
OK, there's really your purview, so I tried to keep the report. | 01:44:56 | |
For you to help these people come into compliance with their architectural permit with their minor. | 01:45:02 | |
Exterior proposals, OK, thanks for your clarity. Sure. | 01:45:08 | |
Really. Is this on? Yeah. | 01:45:12 | |
If let's just say they did a major. | 01:45:15 | |
Change to the front. | 01:45:19 | |
And they brought it to ARB and we could see the picture before as we did. | 01:45:21 | |
On the front page of the plans. | 01:45:27 | |
And then? | 01:45:29 | |
We do our drive by. | 01:45:30 | |
And if we are just like, absolutely not. | 01:45:32 | |
We're not going to approve it. | 01:45:36 | |
Then they're gonna have to. | 01:45:37 | |
Rip it out. | 01:45:40 | |
So that I mean that would be worst case scenario. | 01:45:41 | |
If that makes sense. | 01:45:46 | |
Is anybody else? Did you have more comments Christy? | 01:45:49 | |
Is the applicant available to speak or? | 01:45:53 | |
Said questions aren't. | 01:45:57 | |
Yes, Matt. | 01:45:59 | |
And then once that's. | 01:46:01 | |
I'll unmute myself. | 01:46:04 | |
First of all, I'd like to apologize on behalf of my client for the parking issues caused and for the work that was done beyond | 01:46:07 | |
permit. The work that was done beyond permit was the beginning of this lower deck in the backyard. | 01:46:13 | |
Umm. | 01:46:19 | |
And so both, you know, that's what caused the stop work order. I'm sorry for the inconvenience that it's caused for our to the | 01:46:20 | |
neighbors and we will, you know, act in accordance to Pacific Grove regulations in the future. | 01:46:27 | |
Um. | 01:46:35 | |
You know the work that was permitted on the interior. That's not. | 01:46:37 | |
Required to be reviewed, are reviewed by the IRB, was done with the building permit. The deck was beyond that scope and we | 01:46:42 | |
apologize for that. | 01:46:47 | |
And we're really, yeah, here to permit the work that we have proposed in this planning permit, which is the conversion of this AU, | 01:46:51 | |
the replacement of exterior windows. | 01:46:56 | |
And they're replacement of the garage door with those double French doors that you see there as an entry into the AU. | 01:47:01 | |
Thanks, Matt. | 01:47:12 | |
Do you mind if I ask them? | 01:47:13 | |
Just a few questions for you, Matt. Are the French doors the only? | 01:47:15 | |
Access doors for the Adu. | 01:47:20 | |
They are, yes. | 01:47:24 | |
OK. | 01:47:26 | |
Umm. | 01:47:27 | |
And the sunroom and storage room and hallway. There are those all conditioned spaces. | 01:47:27 | |
Those are not as shown on the plan. | 01:47:35 | |
Because they're those are existing spaces that are remaining intact. OK, I thank you. Sorry, the cross hatching is a little bit | 01:47:44 | |
light here. I see the key now, OK. | 01:47:48 | |
Umm. | 01:47:53 | |
OK. | 01:47:56 | |
I know that was kind of existing. I just find that area a little bit awkward. | 01:47:57 | |
But does look to be existing, so you're just kind of working in those constraints. | 01:48:03 | |
Umm. | 01:48:09 | |
That's all my questions for now. | 01:48:12 | |
Great. Thank you. Anybody else? | 01:48:14 | |
I do have a couple of questions. | 01:48:19 | |
It it seems to me that. | 01:48:21 | |
This proposed AD is just converting an existing garage. | 01:48:24 | |
Into an AD U correct? | 01:48:28 | |