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Acknowledge the City of Pacific Grove app because I had the pleasure of using that app to. 00:00:15
Put in a request to see if we can get that chime to be on time and it was taken care of. 00:00:22
And they were amazingly responsive. So if you have not used the City of Pacific Grove app, I highly recommend it. And they listen. 00:00:28
OK, so today is a special meeting of the Economic Development Commission. It is 4:00 o'clock. 00:00:35
On July, June 6th. 00:00:43
And. 00:00:47
Pardon 8th? Pardon me, I'm I'm already getting ahead of myself. 00:00:49
And. 00:00:53
I call this meeting to order. 00:00:55
If we can take roll call, please. 00:00:57
Absolutely, Commissioner Gibbs. 00:00:59
Here. 00:01:01
Commissioner Venuti, Vice Chair Jacobs here, Chair Upman. 00:01:02
Present Secretary McMurdo present. 00:01:06
Commissioner Markowitz, President. 00:01:09
Mr. Hoops here. 00:01:11
All present, with the exception of Commissioner Richmond. Absent. Thank you. 00:01:13
OK. The agenda for today and the supporting documents were circulated in advance of today's meeting. 00:01:17
You're available for download on the economic development page pacificgroup.org. 00:01:23
Begin Before we get going here, is there any public comment on the packet? 00:01:28
No. 00:01:33
I don't have view of the participants, so if you could. 00:01:34
And chair, you do not need to take any public comment on the approval of the agenda section if you don't wish to. 00:01:38
OK. 00:01:43
Does not look like we have any comment anyhow, so that's perfect. 00:01:44
OK. And any other questions on the agenda items for the committee? 00:01:47
Not. 00:01:52
For discussion during the actual agenda item that we're going to be reviewing today. 00:01:53
We're on #2 here. 00:02:00
Is that where we're still approving the agenda? 00:02:02
This is simply the approval agenda. 00:02:04
They were. 00:02:07
So would be appropriate for a motion to approve the agenda from someone. 00:02:09
Right. 00:02:13
Have a motion to approve the agenda? 00:02:15
I second. 00:02:17
All right, roll call. 00:02:18
Yeah, I think I'll put down Markowitz as the second for that. 00:02:21
OK, very good. Give me a moment to catch up. 00:02:25
OK, Commissioner Gibbs. 00:02:30
Yes. 00:02:33
Commissioner Beauty. 00:02:34
Vice Chair Jacobs. 00:02:36
Aye, aye. 00:02:37
Commissioner Markowitz Aye, Commissioner Hoops, Hi motion passes. 00:02:40
5. 00:02:44
One Richmond absent. Perfect. OK, great. 00:02:46
And then moving on to Commission and staff and announcements, are there any announcements from the city staff? 00:02:51
No chair. 00:02:58
OK. And any announcements not on the agenda from the commissioners press? 00:02:59
Seeing none. Ohh. Commissioner Gibbs. Yeah, well, I'm not sure if this is appropriate, but we we went past Memorial Day and there 00:03:04
was a group of people that. 00:03:08
Showed up at the local cemetery cemetery and put out 908 flags. 00:03:13
On the graves of the veterans and their and their spouses, mostly wives. 00:03:18
And so I just want to thank all of the 12:15 people show up. 00:03:22
Three people showed up to take them back out on Tuesday. So was one of them. So anyway, it was a great day. We got some good 00:03:26
pictures and there's a blog up about it. Thank you, that's wonderful, and thank you to everyone that participated. 00:03:32
Any further? 00:03:39
Announcements from the commissioners seeing none. 00:03:41
OK and. 00:03:45
Our council liaison will not be joining us unfortunately he's traveling at the moment so. 00:03:47
That brings us to general public comment. This portion of the meeting is reserved for members of the public to address the 00:03:53
Commission on matters not on the agenda. So, to be clear, not on the agenda today. 00:03:58
But under the jurisdiction of the Commission, commit comments from the public were limited to 3 minutes. 00:04:03
Will not receive EDC Commission action these comments. 00:04:08
Regarding items on the regular agenda should be heard prior to the Commission's consideration. 00:04:11
Of such items at the time. 00:04:17
Such items are called so once our agenda items are under discussion. 00:04:19
Whenever possible, written correspondence should be received or submitted to the CDC in advance of the meeting. We did receive 00:04:22
some public comments prior to today's meeting. Thank you for those very much. Are there any members of the public who would like 00:04:28
to make a comment at this time not regarding the discussion? 00:04:33
For today's special meeting. 00:04:39
Seeing none. 00:04:47
OK. 00:04:49
Great. So that moves us on to approval of the minutes. 00:04:50
The minutes of our June 1st meeting, which was just a week ago, we're just repeating in advance. 00:04:53
And are included in the agenda packet available for download at the cdcpage@pacificgroup.org. Is there any public comment on the 00:05:00
minutes that were distributed? 00:05:04
I'm confused. 00:05:12
I didn't see the minutes #1. 00:05:15
It's down at the bottom. OK, my fault. That's OK, but. 00:05:17
Do we do that at this special meeting or we do it at the next regular meeting? Well, the meeting, the minutes from the prior 00:05:20
meeting are distributed for every subsequent meeting. So, OK, the minutes from this will be at our regular meeting. It is 00:05:25
confusing. Sure. OK, I'll Scroll down. 00:05:30
OK, so. 00:05:36
I did look at the minutes it was it wasn't clear to me. 00:05:38
From the June 1st meeting, the purpose I understand we're looking at a letter about the parklets. 00:05:41
But I I wasn't sure. It wasn't clear from the Minutes what the purpose. 00:05:47
Of this session was from reading the minutes OK. 00:05:51
Is I? I didn't. I just didn't see. There wasn't a lot of discussion. I was here. 00:05:54
But but I didn't hear and I asked the question what the purpose was. 00:05:58
And I think the response I got from Mr. Harvey was, we can't talk about that. 00:06:03
You know, because that's. 00:06:07
Not on the agenda, so. 00:06:09
We didn't take a vote or anything, and I was just wondering if there's a description of rule here or description of of what the 00:06:11
item on the agenda is, specifically because it references a letter, but I don't have any letter in front of me, nor do I and so. 00:06:18
Done. 00:06:25
Sure, sure, Chair. I can take that question, so. 00:06:26
A couple of things, and I did engage in some e-mail correspondence with Commissioner Gibbs. 00:06:30
And I think one of the questions you had was. 00:06:35
You know you you were looking, if if I recall correctly, you were looking for, you know, some type of notice as to when and and. 00:06:38
When the meeting was going to be called and and what it was about, if I understood your e-mail correctly. 00:06:45
And I advise you in my response to you that. 00:06:50
It is up to the chair. 00:06:53
To decide. 00:06:55
When a meeting is called. 00:06:56
And for a special meeting, it only requires 24 hours notice and you are notified as an economic Development commissioner two ways. 00:06:57
One, you receive the. 00:07:02
Agenda and the packet in an e-mail sent. 00:07:07
To you, which you received. 00:07:10
And then you also if you're. 00:07:11
Out and about we'll we'll notice the agenda posted. 00:07:14
And you'll also see it on the city website. 00:07:17
So that's how you know. 00:07:19
It's been called the what the meeting is about is, you know, addressed when you read what's on the agenda itself. 00:07:21
And so there is an agenda item. 00:07:28
That we are considering today. 00:07:31
When I go. 00:07:33
Look at the item. There is a. 00:07:34
A subject. There is a recommendation. 00:07:37
There is a discussion. 00:07:39
And there are a couple. 00:07:41
Hyperlinks So. 00:07:43
To me it's it's clear from reading that what? The. 00:07:44
What the agenda item is all about, So I believe, Commissioner Gibbs, your your questions were answered and they and they have been 00:07:47
answered. 00:07:50
If there's anything that you're. 00:07:54
Confused about? I'd recommend that you bring that up during the agenda. 00:07:56
Report itself, but it seems very clear to me from from reading this. 00:07:59
And my idea, Thank you. No, thank you. I mean, I. 00:08:03
I was here when the meeting was. 00:08:05
Mentioned. 00:08:07
There wasn't a vote on the meeting itself, so but here I am, so, so again there doesn't and I think this is something you brought 00:08:08
up several times and chair, if I may continue. 00:08:13
There doesn't need to be a vote on whether or not there is going to be. 00:08:18
A special meeting that the chair. 00:08:21
And the chair alone decides the agenda. 00:08:24
And you know when, when the meeting shall take place, that is a a perk of of being the chair. And we've discussed this before, so 00:08:26
I'm gonna bring it up to you again. 00:08:30
This is you know, it does not require a vote as to whether or not you have a meeting or not. 00:08:34
What's important is whether or not a quorum will be present, because there's no point in having a meeting. 00:08:40
If you don't have a quorum there to. 00:08:45
Act on the items on the agenda. So maybe that was part of the confusion, as you were. 00:08:47
Mixing those two things up, at the last meeting we were simply trying to take a quick straw poll vote to see who might be present 00:08:52
if there was going to be a special meeting called. We didn't know at that point if there was going to be a special meeting called 00:08:56
because the chair was not present. 00:09:00
The vice chair who is presiding. 00:09:04
Took it as an action item to confer with the chair that it seemed there was a a a desire for this and it was up to him to make 00:09:06
that decision. He made the decision. The agenda was posted. 00:09:11
You're here. Here we are. 00:09:17
I got it. Thank you. I I guess my main point was. 00:09:19
We're talking about a letter. That's what the description is. 00:09:22
And I'm not sure was that letter we'll we'll we'll be discussing that in just a moment. I'm just asking. 00:09:25
They ask, Excuse me, was the proposed letter. 00:09:32
Included in the package was not. 00:09:34
That's not no. 00:09:37
That we all have in front of us is what's for discussion today. 00:09:38
So I believe that we have. 00:09:41
Approval of the Minutes. 00:09:44
As our next step, do we have a motion to approve the Minutes? 00:09:45
So moved. 00:09:49
We have a second. 00:09:50
Thank you. 00:09:52
All right. 00:09:53
Great one. Give me one moment to catch you up. That's Mark awaits. Oops. 00:09:54
Roll call vote chair. 00:10:01
Please. OK, Commissioner Gibbs. 00:10:02
All right. Commissioner Venuti, Mr. Jacobs. 00:10:05
Chair Hubman. 00:10:08
Second, sorry, Commissioner McMurdo. 00:10:10
I mean Markowitz, aye. 00:10:12
Commissioner Hoops. 00:10:15
Aye. 00:10:16
OK, motion passes 51. Commissioner Richmond absent. 00:10:17
Thank you. 00:10:21
OK. 00:10:22
That brings us to a regular agenda and and before we get started, this is a special Commission meeting tonight. 00:10:23
And I would very much like to make sure that we're able to take this single agenda item and have a concise conversation around 00:10:29
this and come to a decision. 00:10:33
I look forward to. 00:10:38
Debate and discussion, but I'd like to. 00:10:40
Try to manage today's conversation as best as possible. I ask that. 00:10:42
If you would Please wait to be acknowledged by the chair before speaking, I would appreciate that I have. 00:10:46
Positioned. 00:10:52
Uh. 00:10:53
Our secretary and our vice chair of both sides to please notify me if someone has raised their hand. We're just gonna try to be as 00:10:54
orderly as possible, and I would appreciate that. Thank you. 00:10:58
In addition, for all public comment and any opening comments, we would like to try to limit those to 3 minutes as per the rules of 00:11:04
Roberts rules. 00:11:08
That we will provide for enough time for. 00:11:14
Our own discussion as well around this agenda item. 00:11:16
So that brings us to our regular agenda and our single agenda item 4:00 today for the special meeting. 00:11:19
We are here to discuss a letter to the City Council that states our support of the quote status quo. 00:11:26
Of the City Park program. This was proposed by Commissioner Hoops. 00:11:31
Recommended action here is to draft a statement or a letter from the Economic Development Commission to the City Council that 00:11:36
states our support of the status quo of the City Park program. 00:11:41
And. 00:11:46
I believe, Commissioner Hoops, if you'd like to begin with. 00:11:48
OK. 00:11:54
Ohh, that's right. Did are you required to use yourself at this point? I'm sorry, we're still figuring out. 00:11:54
I've been advised to recuse, which means I won't be participating in the discussion and instead I. 00:12:01
Am I allowed to give a public comment? Excellent. OK, so we will, we will come back, circle back to you on the other side. Let us 00:12:08
know how the view is from that side. 00:12:12
Mr. Chairman, excuse me, with your indulgence please. You said that 3 minutes for public comment and then you said. 00:12:18
You follow that with three minutes for if we have any questions and then we'll get into discussion. You mean from the Commission 00:12:25
to be correct, We're limited to 3 minutes ideally so that we can get into the conversation. 00:12:30
And I did look at Roberts Rules of Orders and thank you for informing that and. 00:12:35
Roberts Rules of Order generally limits the discussion in 10 minutes. I didn't for discussion. 00:12:39
Right. I didn't find any three minute limit on commissioners. 00:12:44
Uh. 00:12:48
City manager, Sheriff, I could weigh in. So the normal protocol that we use at the City Council is we have the presentation from 00:12:49
whoever is giving the presentation and today it's going to be Commissioner Hoops. 00:12:54
You go out for public comment. Public comment is normally limited to three person 3 minutes per individual. 00:12:59
Usually. 00:13:05
Public comment is treated as a one way conversation. There is no need to respond to questions or inquiries. 00:13:06
This is just the time for the public to be heard, So after public comment is completed, you then go directly back to the 00:13:12
Commission as time for your. 00:13:16
Discussion. If there was a question raised during public comment, it's appropriate during the Commission discussion to either 00:13:20
answer yourselves or ask for staff to respond to it. 00:13:24
Thank you. 00:13:28
Thank you. 00:13:29
Yeah. 00:13:30
So that then takes us to Commissioner Hoops to introduce the agenda item and then we'll go to public comma. 00:13:31
Thank you Chair. So the recommendation here is pretty clear. 00:13:41
I I would like to have this Commission be drafting a letter that gets included into City Council's next consent agenda and 6/21. 00:13:46
4. 00:13:58
To express our support. 00:14:00
4. 00:14:01
The parklet program as it stands in Pacific Grove. 00:14:03
And. 00:14:08
What that means to to go into some detail cause there has been some question on this is that. 00:14:09
There's there's Parkland issues on the City council's agenda as they stand. This Commission has no control over what City Council 00:14:14
may choose to do. 00:14:18
There are existing parklets in our town as they are, which were constructed, I would like to remind everybody and it's included in 00:14:22
the discussion. 00:14:26
In the packet of the agenda and there's hyperlinks to city websites as far as what? 00:14:30
General regulations and I'm sure staff could provide deeper regulations that were actually two business, but as an overview the 00:14:37
regulations that were that were. 00:14:42
On the books when the parklets were constructed during years 2020 to 2022. 00:14:49
So. 00:14:54
I think the general consensus is that these, the parklets as they are, were constructed without regulation or oversight at all, 00:14:55
which is. 00:14:58
Not true and. 00:15:01
The the purpose of this letter would be to say that. 00:15:04
To inform City Council that. 00:15:07
This Commission overwhelmingly supports and and has heard from the business community that that we overwhelmingly support the 00:15:09
Parkland program. 00:15:13
And that the parklets that exist. 00:15:16
Were constructed with city traffic engineer emergency service workers. 00:15:19
Um, ADA compliance? Various other regulations? 00:15:25
In mind they are safe. 00:15:29
They are built to a code that existed, that was put forth by the city and not by the business owners themselves. 00:15:31
And that. 00:15:38
If there are new regulations to be drafted by the City Council, which is their prerogative that they only be for new? 00:15:39
Construction of parklets, that parklets as they exist today. 00:15:46
Should be. 00:15:50
Required to meet the regulations on which they were constructed and not whatever new regulations may come out from the City 00:15:53
Council going forward. 00:15:56
That's that's the issue. I'm happy to draft the letter myself, but I'd like. 00:16:02
To hear input from this Commission and we've heard. 00:16:08
A lot of input from the business community via e-mail, public comment, etcetera over. 00:16:13
Not only this leading up to this special special meeting, but also. 00:16:19
Over the last several months and and years as it stands for as these have been standing so. 00:16:23
That's that's where we're at is I I think it's it's behooves this Commission to. 00:16:29
As the. 00:16:34
The implement of the broader business community and the year to City Council to to draft a letter that says we support the status 00:16:37
quo of the parklets. And I'd be happy to draft that. And I'm happy to hear input from our Commission because I want this to be on 00:16:42
behalf of this Commission and not just. 00:16:46
Commissioner hoops so. 00:16:52
But. 00:16:54
Yeah, that's that's the agenda item and thank you for bringing this forward. Thank you, Commissioner. 00:16:55
OK, that brings us to public comment. Do we have any public comments before we get started on our discussion? Please welcome to 00:17:01
join us. 00:17:06
At the microphone. 00:17:10
And if you're unfamiliar with the microphone, the red light actually means off. So you need to hit a button and it's down at the 00:17:12
base. Perfect. Thank you very much. Welcome. Good afternoon. My name is Don Murphy. I'm a local resident. 00:17:17
I'm a patron of local restaurants. 00:17:23
And I'm a patron of local, local parklets. 00:17:26
And the city attorney has asked me to tell you that I'm also a member of the Planning Commission. 00:17:29
But I'm not here from the Planning Commission. I'm speaking just as myself, just as a resident, and I was not a member of the 00:17:33
Planning Commission. Park that subcommittee. 00:17:38
Again, my comments are just for myself. 00:17:43
I think the city and we saw Halloran in our building, official John Keel and the restaurant community and help the chamber 00:17:47
developed very good. 00:17:51
Temporary parklet program under emergency conditions. 00:17:56
I do feel, however, that there are. 00:18:00
Health and safety issues. 00:18:03
Involving the the diners at the parklets, pedestrians. 00:18:06
And motorists. 00:18:10
And I think that any recommended? 00:18:11
Changes by the City Council. 00:18:13
It's obvious the health and safety issue all part that should comply existing ones and new ones and it's. 00:18:16
I mean, that's clear as a bell to me. 00:18:23
And I know reasonable people can disagree on things. 00:18:25
But I can't imagine that a restaurant owner. 00:18:29
And if the Council thinks there again, health and safety improvements that should be made. 00:18:32
I can't. 00:18:38
Imagine a restaurant owner would not want to do them. 00:18:39
I understand they may not be happy having to pay for changes. I completely understand that and I sympathize. 00:18:41
But the health and safety of our residents and visitors? 00:18:47
Should should come first. 00:18:51
It's hard to comment on the letter since it doesn't exist yet, but I would hope whatever letter you draft. 00:18:53
Takes that into account. Thank you very much. 00:18:59
You very much. 00:19:03
Yes. 00:19:13
My. 00:19:13
Mike is on right. It is welcome and thank you before. 00:19:14
Peggy Gibbs, a resident of Pacific Grove. I too enjoy parklets and enjoy going there and and the benefit of them. I also know that 00:19:17
they were extremely important during the COVID shutdown in order for restaurants especially to be able to survive. 00:19:26
I think that during the time period that they were constructed, it was an emergency time period and everyone did absolutely, I 00:19:35
have no doubt the very best they could. 00:19:40
It was a very different time and a very important. 00:19:45
Decision to go forward, I would challenge, however. 00:19:48
The idea that now we have. 00:19:52
Lived with them. 00:19:54
And there might be ways to tweak. 00:19:56
A few spots. 00:19:59
To make them even better for the residents and for egress in order to be. 00:20:01
Very safe, very visible. 00:20:07
If we think back, we were trying to even do just small little things. 00:20:10
In our home with plexiglass and like sand, it was absolutely unavailable. 00:20:15
Because it was going into every single business. 00:20:21
So just even the way things were constructed sometimes had to be manipulated because of just materials that were available. 00:20:24
So now we've Fast forward. 00:20:33
And we're not the only city doing this. There are beautiful parklets everywhere, so I applaud that. 00:20:36
And I just ask that you think of. 00:20:42
A few places. 00:20:45
And I'm going to call out one place in particular. 00:20:47
And that is kind of a blind spot because of the crosswalk. 00:20:50
And that's right at Victorian corner. 00:20:53
I think we can make that a little better. 00:20:56
And still everyone can be happy so that you don't have the circumstance. 00:20:58
Of a mother pushing a stroller. 00:21:04
Into traffic that can't be seen. 00:21:06
Or a child. 00:21:08
In front of a parent walking in the crosswalk and not being seen. 00:21:10
None of us would want that. 00:21:15
So if we just think of. 00:21:16
The human element. 00:21:19
There are ways we can make that area better without diminishing parklets. 00:21:20
So we need to look at crosswalks, We need to look at sidewalks. 00:21:25
Possibly a bump out. I know last night. 00:21:29
At City Hall. Here at City Hall. 00:21:32
The City Council. 00:21:35
Approved $50,000 to make that area better. 00:21:38
So there are wonderful ways to help everyone and I just ask you to be open to that. 00:21:41
Thank you. 00:21:51
Hello. 00:22:00
This is my first time attending an EDC meeting. 00:22:02
Good to have you, Yeah. 00:22:05
No, you're good at it, Sir. 00:22:07
I'm a grant writer. 00:22:12
And that requires. 00:22:13
Persuasive writing supported by facts, evidence, and numbers. 00:22:16
When reading the. 00:22:22
When reading the Planning Commissions first report, I did not see. 00:22:24
Facts. I saw anecdotal evidence and similar to what we've heard thus far. 00:22:29
Words like I feel I'm concerned. 00:22:35
These are not facts. 00:22:40
And I don't believe. 00:22:42
That they should be taken at face value. 00:22:44
We have some number crunching to do. 00:22:48
But as I understand it, we've only had two accidents on Lighthouse. 00:22:51
We should be thanking the restaurants with parklets. They're the ones who kept the hospitality industry. 00:22:58
In Pacific Grove afloat. 00:23:06
Hospitality. 00:23:09
Economic development. That's what we hang our hats on. We kept us afloat when all of the businesses along Lighthouse Ave. 00:23:10
With the empty storefronts. 00:23:20
Did not bring any body in here. 00:23:23
OK. 00:23:25
Perhaps you can expand the facade grant to help the parklets, but there's no way. 00:23:27
That we should be. 00:23:33
Punishing the people who have helped Pacific Grove. 00:23:35
By making them. 00:23:39
Breakdown. 00:23:40
Parklets that they had to go through a very onerous codes to erect. 00:23:42
It doesn't make sense. 00:23:48
I don't understand. 00:23:50
The Planning Commission's reports. 00:23:52
It's vague. 00:23:55
It's nebulous. It's not persuasive. There are no numbers. There's not any persuasive reasoning behind it. 58 seconds. 00:23:57
Victoria, Victorian coroner. 00:24:08
Corner. 00:24:11
That is an issue. 00:24:12
Easily solved by a mirror, for Pete's sake. Come on. 00:24:14
Let's use our heads. 00:24:18
Umm. 00:24:19
We should be supporting this and thank you. 00:24:21
Commissioner Hoops. 00:24:23
Thank you. 00:24:25
Thank you. 00:24:27
Mr. Jacobs, welcome. 00:24:37
So is this. Yeah, this is on the Great. 00:24:42
So just wanted to say that actually I've been present at several discussions where the? 00:24:45
Issue at Victorian Corner has a proposed solution, which is that once the orange building is at 520 is complete, they're going to 00:24:52
move the crosswalk to the other side so that. 00:24:58
There is no conflict, there is no problem. So I guess not everybody knows that. 00:25:04
So I. 00:25:10
Feel that there are three things to know about the parklets. 00:25:11
One The program was created by city staff. 00:25:14
Two, there have been two versions of the program in circulation in PG, the City report and the Planning Report. 00:25:17
The anti parklet program has relied on misleading information, unfortunately. 00:25:25
So firstly, the program was created by city staff. 00:25:30
Which means it was created by professionals. And actually, Aaron, you did a lot of the explaining I wanted to do. 00:25:34
But the restaurant owners did not cobble together a slapdash structure of their own devices, but submitted plans to the city. 00:25:40
Complied with regulations of the city. 00:25:48
Received approval from the city. Use licensed contractors, had inspections carried out by the city, including the fire department 00:25:50
staff of our city. So the part of the program is and always has been an official and formal compliant program. 00:25:57
There have been two versions of the program in circulation and PG. So the city report and they really find this hard because 00:26:05
they're. 00:26:10
Nuanced, long reports, and there's a lot there. I'm kind of paraphrasing, but basically the city report keeps the status quo with 00:26:14
minor tweaks, because as people have mentioned, once you live with something, there are improvements to be made. Not wholesale 00:26:20
destruction and rebuilding, but tweaks which can be made. And this is very much. 00:26:27
Supported by restaurant owners on the whole. 00:26:34
So the planning report instead advocates for the wholesale demolition of all the parklets, which represent a collective half 00:26:38
million dollar investment by restaurant owners in our town. 00:26:43
And the rebuilding of some of them, but not all of them. 00:26:49
The parklet advocated in the planning report is remarkably sparse. It is smaller. 00:26:52
There is no shelter overhead. There is no heating or lighting. In other words, no one would want to sit on one. 00:26:57
And the town will go back to being a ghost town. 00:27:05
The progress that we've made in creating a vibrant character to downtown will be lost. The boost to tourism, to residents and 00:27:08
businesses will be lost. 00:27:13
The anti parklet program has relied on misleading information. 00:27:19
I personally have no problem with different points of view, and I entirely respect friends, neighbors in this town who might want 00:27:23
to get rid of the parklets. 00:27:27
But what I do have a problem with is misleading the public. 00:27:32
The anti part of that report states that they support the parklets. OK this is very confusing. They they propose destroying them 00:27:36
and rebuilding but to something which is just tables on the sidewalk. But yet they say they support parklets. Vice chair Jacobs 00:27:44
I'm so sorry but your time is up. Oh that was quick. So sorry. I think I got most of it in. Thank thank you very much. 00:27:52
Terry Schroeder, we have questions here. 00:28:08
Yeah. 00:28:11
And. 00:28:12
My our business is not really affected by the parking situation. 00:28:14
At the parklets. 00:28:17
It is by the parking situation, the lack of available parking spaces in town. 00:28:19
And. 00:28:25
And and that is the fact that we are critically short of parking spaces and and in many situations and I'm also concerned about 00:28:27
the parking lot behind the cinema and what might be happening to that rather than expanding it, maybe losing it. 00:28:34
Umm. 00:28:41
So. 00:28:43
The. 00:28:44
I know personally several of the restaurants are here. Wonderful people. 00:28:46
We're fortunate to fortunate. I'll go ahead and take my notes here. I'm not a great speaker so. 00:28:51
Umm. 00:28:56
At least out of my wheelhouse. 00:28:57
So. 00:28:59
We're fortunate enough to have to have many very fine restaurants and each one does offer something very special to the community. 00:29:00
Umm. 00:29:08
And since we're talking about the park, let's. 00:29:10
You know my, my. I can give you my thoughts and my concerns. I think you know where I'm going with this. 00:29:14
Umm. 00:29:19
In the beginning the the these windows necessitated. 00:29:22
With the flu virus and we're a fun and novel idea, really kept our restaurants afloat. 00:29:26
With the the the drastic effect on the economy locally and nationally. 00:29:34
Umm. 00:29:39
Something that we're saying I. 00:29:42
You know, I was wondering how? 00:29:44
Bad the restaurants were doing prior to the pandemic situation. 00:29:45
I mean, it would be interesting to know. 00:29:50
I didn't realize restaurants were suffering. This was a ghost town. 00:29:54
Before that, because it seemed like PC was a pretty vibrant. 00:29:57
Place with the restaurants doing a lot of business and having a, you know, a great addition to the community. 00:30:00
So. 00:30:05
Just wanted to point that out. 00:30:06
I think what's more critical now is. 00:30:10
Mark this up. 00:30:15
They've outlived in my opinion and with others that I know as well. 00:30:16
The original intention, and there's many reasons. 00:30:20
Why I feel that they should be removed. 00:30:24
There's an extreme lack as it as I say, of availability, availability and parking. 00:30:27
Some are located, as it's been pointed out, in very dangerous situations. 00:30:33
Their liability not only to the city as well as to the business, to the restaurant, with the businesses in approximate. 00:30:37
And. 00:30:44
Reference to that intersection where, which is a dangerous one that I've had. 00:30:45
First call there myself. 00:30:50
Coming down Fountain Ave. trying to get across. It's a blind corner. 00:30:52
If you try and put a mirror. 00:30:55
Try and explain that to a five or six or seven or eight-year old kid running across. 00:30:57
So. 00:31:01
Those are only good if people are actually using those. 00:31:02
But you get a low car going through it and you know you don't see it. 00:31:06
Umm. 00:31:09
And. 00:31:11
Took me through our lighthouse. 00:31:12
The. 00:31:15
It's time, Sir. 00:31:16
Ohh, thank you asked. OK. 00:31:17
Appreciate your time. Thank you very much. 00:31:19
OK, we've. 00:31:25
We've addressed everyone here that's present. I believe we have some comments online. 00:31:27
Yes, Give us a moment, Chair. 00:31:32
Well. 00:31:36
OK, we have. 00:31:37
Inga, please proceed. 00:31:39
Commuter. 00:31:43
Thank you. 00:31:44
Umm. 00:31:46
Boy, there's a lot of brouhaha going around and misinformation. Many speakers have gotten that right. 00:31:47
Goodness gracious, nobody's trying to take the park. Let's away. 00:31:56
I mean. 00:32:01
With the previous speaker, yes, those are all concerns, but you know, reading the Planning Commission has not yet. The 00:32:02
subcommittee has. They're integrating and they're just presenting what they've come up with. 00:32:09
The City Council in seeing both the planning. 00:32:17
And the staff generated ones. 00:32:21
Directed. 00:32:24
The subcommittee to come back and integrate the two. 00:32:26
Then the City Council last night. 00:32:30
Actually allocated $50,000. 00:32:33
Just towards. 00:32:37
Making the parklets safe and permanent. 00:32:39
So I don't understand. 00:32:42
It's like, please just let the city do its process. 00:32:45
Nobody's taking your parklets away. 00:32:49
They're here to stay. 00:32:54
It's just I I see this letter as an absolutely futile attempt. 00:32:56
2. 00:33:02
Well. 00:33:04
I'd find it an embarrassment, but that's myself personally. 00:33:05
So. 00:33:09
I just wish you'd sit back and let it see and let it happen. And the council has already allocated the funds. I would have 00:33:10
expected the city manager to have announced that at the beginning of the meeting. 00:33:17
Because that happened last night. 00:33:23
Umm. 00:33:26
Thank you very much. 00:33:28
Thank you. 00:33:31
Believe we have other hands. Yes, we have. 00:33:40
Mary W please proceed. 00:33:44
Thank you. 00:33:49
I hear a lot of discussion about the parklets and. 00:33:51
You know, nobody's talking about taking them away. 00:33:55
That's true. They're talking about making. 00:33:58
So many barriers that you can't. 00:34:01
Even comply and have a place. 00:34:03
That would be worth visiting. 00:34:07
So if you say you want a parklet, but you put up so many barriers to the parklet. 00:34:09
You can still say you had a parklet. 00:34:15
But then nobody can. 00:34:17
Can have one. 00:34:18
And I'm really alarmed to find out that there's a rash of accidents and incidences. 00:34:20
That I haven't seen. 00:34:25
Reading the police, bloggers and everything else. 00:34:28
There are no rash of incidents and I refer back to a previous speaker. 00:34:31
We need facts if there's a rash of. 00:34:36
Problems with this let's. 00:34:39
Let's bring them out into the open. 00:34:41
But there's an awful lot of I don't feel like. 00:34:44
What? 00:34:47
It's not. 00:34:47
That doesn't make it true. 00:34:49
The Happy Girl Kitchen is a perfect example. They've been in business. 00:34:52
They've had that parklet for, I think it's over seven years. 00:34:56
And it's worked. Beautiful. 00:35:00
And I think that we need to be careful about throwing the baby out with the bathwater. 00:35:03
Umm. 00:35:09
Parking in Pacific Grove, if you've ever gone to Monterey or Carmel, is abundant. 00:35:10
I have never had an issue finding a parking space. 00:35:14
In the city of PG. 00:35:18
And I don't even use. 00:35:20
Use either one of the city parking lots. 00:35:22
I can always find a parking space right up in front of. 00:35:25
Any store that I want to visit so. 00:35:29
I think there's a lot of red herrings. I think there's a lot of feelings. 00:35:32
But there doesn't seem to be a lot of substance that warrants. 00:35:36
Having this much. 00:35:41
Consternation over the over the parklets. 00:35:44
They're good for PG. 00:35:47
They're good for the restaurants, they're good for tourism. 00:35:48
And they should be allowed to continue. 00:35:52
The way that they are right now, today. 00:35:56
Thank you. 00:35:58
Thank you. 00:36:02
I believe we have one more, Laura. 00:36:05
I've hit enter. 00:36:08
Please proceed. 00:36:10
You'll need to unmute yourself. 00:36:18
Hi, this is Laura Beheader. Hi, this is Laura Abider. Can you hear me? 00:36:28
Yes. 00:36:33
Thank you. Yeah. I actually visited a few park that's today myself. 00:36:34
I and I wrote to Mike Gibbs, wrote to the DC. 00:36:38
I'm very disturbed. 00:36:42
We we had a City Council meeting. I was there. 00:36:44
And I listened to the City Council say that they would not undo the parklet. The the parklets were actually validated by the city, 00:36:47
the city experts. 00:36:52
And written in conjunction with city safety people. 00:36:58
And that the public greatly wanted the parklets. 00:37:01
There was quite a swell of activity and there was a promise. 00:37:05
From the City Council that we would not undo the parklets. 00:37:09
Just shore up any lingering safety concerns. 00:37:12
And now there is definitely a move to get rid of the parklets. 00:37:16
And I also find parking downtown abundant. 00:37:20
I think the parklets have generated some revitalization for Lighthouse Ave. 00:37:23
And I feel that there have been a lot of moves. 00:37:28
By big real estate to change our town. 00:37:30
To build these multi story, you know expensive. 00:37:34
High end condos maybe turn us into some other seaside kind of a high end village versus the the town we know and love. 00:37:37
I got a letter back from my Gibbs that talked about his view, about safety and his view about parking. But it's really not about 00:37:47
his view. It's about what the city, the people in the city want. 00:37:53
And we've hired experts who who work for the city to to figure this out for us, how to make it safe. And they have. 00:37:59
And now other people without those skill sets. 00:38:06
Have their own intentions on what they want to do. 00:38:09
It's not right. 00:38:12
And now you've kind of lined up a bunch of people to say miscellaneous stuff. 00:38:13
In support of getting rid of the parklets, but they actually draw huge revenue for the city as well. 00:38:19
And if you ever go downtown on a Saturday night. 00:38:25
The jazz band really drums up business for the entire town. 00:38:27
I'm very surprised and very disappointed not to see more support. 00:38:32
From this group, we're keeping these parklets. 00:38:36
Thank you. 00:38:39
Thank you. 00:38:43
See another hand raised. 00:38:45
Yes. 00:38:46
Mary Adams, please proceed. 00:38:48
Thank you. 00:38:52
I actually strongly urge the Commission to write a letter in support of the parklets and I believe that our first online commenter 00:38:54
was. 00:38:59
It's a very good example of. 00:39:04
Commissioner Jacobs. 00:39:07
Talking about misinformation because they actually do want to dismantle the parklets as we know them. I couldn't understand why 00:39:09
the PG Lives Matter contingent was yammering on about the non existent parking issue in downtown Pacific Grove last night at the 00:39:15
City Council meeting and now I understand that it's an attempt to undermine the parklets. Anybody raising parking, parking 00:39:21
concerns in our parking, abundant and free parking downtown really might consider exploring our region more. A lack of parking is 00:39:27
a non excuse from. 00:39:33
Those weirdly biased against a wildly popular current parklet program, that is. 00:39:40
Benefiting all downtown businesses with increased foot traffic and vitality. As a matter of fact, I found it. 00:39:45
That there are a total of 20 parking, 24 parking spaces that have been taken out of Commission by Pandemic Era parklets. So we are 00:39:52
not lacking in parking. 00:39:57
I'm a relatively new resident of Pacific Grove, but I have been visiting here my entire life and I have never once faced a parking 00:40:03
problem downtown PG, even during special events that block off all or most of downtown. I do find parking occasionally difficult 00:40:09
in Carmel, but that has never once deterred me from. 00:40:14
Frequenting a local business and I'm sure I'll be visiting much more often if there are no parklets to dine in in Pacific Grove, 00:40:20
PG is abundance of parking, has always been and still remains the envy of our region and beyond. 00:40:27
There are no legitimate reasons to ignore City Staffs parklet recommendations. 00:40:34
Thank you very much. 00:40:39
Thank you. 00:40:44
Any further comments from I don't believe are there any other hands raised chair. Thank you, that's all. 00:40:45
OK, that brings it back to. 00:40:51
The Commission. 00:40:54
And. 00:40:56
I see my first hand. Commissioner Markowitz, would you like to begin our discussion? Yeah, thank you very much, first of all. 00:40:57
Thank you everybody for making your comments today. They were greatly appreciated. And I'm looking around here and I'm trying to 00:41:05
figure out if there's anybody here sitting in this room who actually has a business in downtown Pacific Grove. 00:41:11
Because there is one, and she happens not to be here tonight. But she did write a letter. I'm gonna. 00:41:17
See what Kelsey said. 00:41:22
Basically because Kelsey wrote this wonderful letter. 00:41:24
She kept it short and simple. 00:41:28
We may not have a Parkland in front of her business, which is Stoker Coffee Roasters right there in forest. 00:41:29
And Lighthouse Ave. 00:41:35
And. 00:41:37
On a regular basis, it feels so right. She has so many people who are coming in. She says this in her communication. I think 00:41:39
everybody has it here. Every time she visits the corner, there is plenty of parking. 00:41:44
And I go to in stride right there, the therapy place, there's plenty of parking that is not an issue. 00:41:50
Um, ever since the parklets came in, I have loved them. 00:41:56
They've been great. Yeah. You drive slowly around them because they're there. That's what you do with anything. That's what the 00:42:00
school bus stops. That's when you do a regular bus or car in traffic, the arguments about traffic, and then there's not enough 00:42:04
traffic, not enough parking places. 00:42:09
Is ridiculous. 00:42:14
The parklet program in my estimation. 00:42:15
Has brought business to Pacific Grove. It's bought happiness. It's enjoyable to go out for residents. This is something else that 00:42:18
I really want to emphasize that we really have to take into consideration. I hear everything Ohh business and business and 00:42:23
business and business and business. Well, I'm going to say residents love the parklets. I've talked to my neighbors, they love the 00:42:29
parklets. 00:42:35
I'm thinking right the damn letter. Why would anybody be opposed to it? If you want to tweak it, you can tweak it very easily. 00:42:41
Leave the damn parklets there because they're good for the city. You have an I vote on sending the letter from me. Thank you. 00:42:48
OK, so. 00:42:58
In terms of your vote, just for clarity sake, we don't have a motion on the floor yet. 00:43:01
All I'm saying is like communication, if we do decide to go, of course with that I understand. I just want to make sure 00:43:08
Commissioner Hoops, you had your next step. You were next in line. Yeah, I guess my questions are are directed towards city staff 00:43:13
and if you guys could clarify. 00:43:18
The $50,000 approved by City Council. 00:43:25
It's my understanding that there wasn't a budget approved, but it was not. 00:43:27
For a specific purpose. Is this correct? 00:43:31
To respond to Commissioner Hoops question through the chair of the there was $50,000 earmarked towards a parklet effort. It was 00:43:36
not specified exactly what that money would be used for. There was some discussion of. 00:43:42
Construction, engineering, drawings, et cetera. The City Council parklet subcommittee will be coming back at the next meeting on 00:43:48
the 21st with the status update. 00:43:53
So. 00:43:58
That, that that was actually the. 00:43:59
Took place last night. I don't have anything additional as to what. 00:44:01
Is being specifically proposed and that will come in more detail on the 21st if if I may, and forgive me if this is out of 00:44:04
process, but I do see that Council Member Claudia has raised his hand if. 00:44:09
We'd like to chair. You're able to call me to call on him in case he's able to address? I'd love to have some little insight on 00:44:14
that. Excellent. 00:44:18
Council manner. 00:44:24
Claudia, you have the floor. 00:44:25
Thank you Chair. Just to answer Commissioner hoops inquiry about what Council A directed. 00:44:27
Council took explicit action actually. 00:44:34
And the the action was to direct $50,000 towards engineering analysis. 00:44:37
And. 00:44:44
And drawings and planning efforts for extending the sidewalks to accommodate parklets, so. 00:44:46
The city manager may not have remembered it was a late meeting. 00:44:53
But we definitely took direct action and the action was to dedicate $50,000 towards engineering analysis. 00:44:56
And engineering drawings. 00:45:04
To extend the sidewalks out based on advice from our own city. 00:45:06
Traffic Engineer So. 00:45:12
The city manager is correct in that council will be bringing this or the subcommittee will be bringing this back to council on 00:45:14
June 21st. Thank you. 00:45:18
Thank you, Council member. Yeah, that's that's actually a great insight. I guess my question would be was that. 00:45:24
To extend the sidewalks as well in a wholesale way so that they're they're. 00:45:31
The width of a parklet, the entire duration of the street or are we just extending the the sidewalks so that there's a stable base 00:45:36
underneath the parklet itself? 00:45:41
Because. 00:45:47
As I see it, parklets that are level with the curb and ADA compliant. 00:45:49
Are already. 00:45:53
Have a stable base and don't really need to spend money to put sidewalk underneath them. 00:45:54
Umm. 00:45:58
The next question I have is. 00:46:00
Again, directed at city staff is Has there been any? 00:46:03
That you're aware of. 00:46:07
Any health and safety issues that have arisen out of this that have been? 00:46:08
And out of compliance issue that have come about that have that has required city involvement. 00:46:13
Commissioner Hoops, through the chair we have responded to concerns. When they have been raised, we've had concerns. 00:46:19
Primarily related to. 00:46:25
Let me take a step back. So with parklets have evolved during the time from when they were initially created to what you have in 00:46:28
place now. There were concerns at the onset regarding some of the heaters being used in in relation to proximity to. 00:46:35
Coverings over the roof and so on and so forth. Those have been addressed there have been. 00:46:44
Concerns about? 00:46:50
Sidewalk clearance in relation to ADA. 00:46:52
Those concerns have been addressed, so. 00:46:56
We like anything. We respond to concerns when when they arise and we and we address them, but outside of those types of issues. 00:46:59
I'm not aware of of other safety concerns. 00:47:07
There have been discussion about. 00:47:11
The crosswalk that is close to the. 00:47:13
The parklet at Victorian Corner Lighthouse and Fountain and. 00:47:17
Of the member of the public is correct there there there will be a city effort to relocate that to the other. 00:47:22
Side of the street. 00:47:28
Once the 520 Lighthouse project is further along, but those are the only. 00:47:30
Concerns that I'm aware of at the top of my head, yeah, it seems to me that that paint is pretty cheap, so a crosswalk movement is 00:47:36
is probably. 00:47:40
Not gonna warrant the $50,000 earmarked for Barcode Safety. 00:47:45
I also would like to say that I am a father and a downtown resident and I have a four year old child and it is not the job of this 00:47:49
Commission to. 00:47:53
Legislate negligent parenting. So if anybody wants to let their kid run into the street, that's their prerogative and they can 00:47:57
deal with the fallout of that. I certainly don't let my child do that. It's my job as a parent to make sure he's safe crossing the 00:48:02
street just like it is anybody else. I don't really see that as the job of this Commission and the parklets, you know, a street is 00:48:07
unsafe. 00:48:13
Regardless of whether there's a parklet there or not, I mean I You have to look both ways when you're holding your kids hand and 00:48:18
taking them across the street, no matter what you're doing, where you are, whether it's a park light, a car moving, a parking 00:48:22
spot, anything. 00:48:26
That that's a non issue. 00:48:31
I. 00:48:34
Think that this is something that. 00:48:37
This Commission. 00:48:39
Umm. 00:48:42
Needs to take into account, not only for. 00:48:43
Our. 00:48:46
Residents, as Commissioner Markowitz pointed out, But also the the business here, I mean. 00:48:47
It it is our job, as I see it, to be the the ear to the business community and convey that to City Council and other and and other 00:48:52
city boards and commissions. 00:48:56
I I really just don't see how. 00:49:01
If we say nothing here. 00:49:04
And do nothing. 00:49:06
And then city. 00:49:07
Because I have no control over City Council as stated. 00:49:09
They could. 00:49:12
Keep the status quo. They can vote to do whatever they're doing with this $50,000. That's beyond this commission's control. 00:49:13
The problem here is this, if we do nothing. 00:49:18
And then there is something that is viewed, even viewed not even like objectively, but even viewed by the business community to be 00:49:21
against them. We lose all credibility with the business community going forward, any project or anything we put forward. 00:49:28
They're not gonna listen to us. Nobody's gonna be on board with us. So anything we try to do just to prop up, solve small business 00:49:35
in this community is now moot because. 00:49:39
We have lost the thing that is there's overwhelming support for. 00:49:43
I just don't see. 00:49:47
How The negatives outweigh the positives here. And we can quibble about Traffic Safety or health and safety or or heater burning 00:49:49
down a park. Like, just as well it could burn down any, you know, a grease fire. Could happen in a kitchen, indoors, at a 00:49:53
restaurant. 00:49:57
That has nothing to do with the actual. 00:50:04
Life and vitality of the Parkwood program. 00:50:06
Commissioner, Hoops, if I may please. 00:50:09
Just just to try to steer this conversation towards. 00:50:13
A proposed. 00:50:17
Motion. 00:50:18
Umm. 00:50:20
I'd I'd like to just elaborate on what your your past statement here is, which is that as Economic Development Commission our 00:50:21
responsibility is. 00:50:25
Taking a larger view of the community as a whole and the business community as a whole, the vitality of. 00:50:29
Business in Pacific Grove. 00:50:34
And so in in my view. 00:50:37
Supporting what you've just said. 00:50:40
Clearly, we have seen an impact of these parklets on the businesses that have them. 00:50:43
Do you have a? 00:50:50
Motion that you would like to make in support. 00:50:53
And yes, a. 00:50:56
Clarification of what that? 00:50:58
Letter might be. 00:51:00
So that we can have a conversation around. 00:51:02
I motion that a letter letter is drafted on behalf of this committee and I'm happy to write it. 00:51:05
Umm. 00:51:10
That goes to City Council is on their 6/21 meeting consent calendar agenda. 00:51:12
That this Commission. 00:51:18
Is in support of status quo. 00:51:21
For the Parkway programs that the parklets were constructed under. 00:51:24
And as as it was stated by a member of the public they were official and compliant programs, then they remained to be that way. 00:51:29
And. 00:51:36
The the current construction should be. 00:51:37
Regulated by those. 00:51:39
Stipulations, and not by ongoing stipulations. 00:51:41
OK. 00:51:45
Their further comments on. 00:51:46
The motion is made. 00:51:48
Just well, just further discussion chair, you'll need a second then you can have further discussion on the motion we had 00:51:51
discussion before the move second and. 00:51:55
He still had the floor, so. 00:52:02
The. 00:52:03
You open that floor for discussion. 00:52:05
Commissioner Mark Woods commented. Commissioner, Hoops commented. 00:52:07
The rest of us were not heard from. 00:52:11
We can still have the conversation and wanted to move. 00:52:13
A motion has been made. 00:52:17
It needs a second when it's seconded and we go back to discussion. I just seconded it. 00:52:19
Go ahead. 00:52:23
Yeah. Thank you. 00:52:24
Trying to move this along. 00:52:28
We don't have to. 00:52:30
Agree. 00:52:31
We just simply discuss your mind. 00:52:33
So you have you have a comment. 00:52:43
I do, OK. Please, You got the flu? 00:52:45
Usually you look around before you take the motion and ask if there's further comment. 00:52:47
So I do have comment. 00:52:51
Well, I understand. OK. Can we proceed? 00:52:54
Thank you. 00:52:57
OK. 00:52:58
So I've sat here and I've listened to. 00:53:00
I still don't know exactly why we're here. 00:53:02
But here's my comments. Parklets are good for customers. 00:53:05
It's the clients, that's the residents that people that visit. 00:53:09
Good for business. 00:53:12
Brings in extra revenue for the city. 00:53:13
I don't know how much. 00:53:15
But it's good. 00:53:17
If done right, they're an enduring positive influence for Pacific growth. 00:53:18
Right. 00:53:23
And. 00:53:24
I I agree with that 100%. 00:53:25
It's an opportunity to do cool stuff the Arts District. 00:53:28
Good old competition, for example, to design some special panels for each of the parklets. 00:53:31
So. 00:53:37
I've heard several people talk about safety issues there. 00:53:39
I agree it's not the issue of this particular Commission, however. 00:53:43
There should be no trade-offs. There should be 0 trade-offs. 00:53:47
Between. 00:53:51
Safety and profit. 00:53:52
That even shouldn't. That shouldn't be even discussed. 00:53:54
And it offends me that. 00:53:58
Anybody would suggest that it doesn't matter? 00:53:59
So I would just like to point out that the. 00:54:02
Planning Commission. We've heard several people. 00:54:05
Allude to the Planning Commission making subjective statements. 00:54:08
Not having points of fact. 00:54:13
And I would look around the room, I'm wondering. 00:54:15
How many people read the Planning Commission subcommittee report? 00:54:18
End to end, I think Jenny did. 00:54:22
I mean the whole darn thing. I went back and looked at it and I took a few notes. 00:54:25
And let me just. 00:54:29
Just mention a few factual things. 00:54:31
First of all, the subcommittee met. 00:54:33
Does the Planning Commission so committee, not the City Council? 00:54:35
They met 17 times. 00:54:38
They visited each. 00:54:40
And every single one of the parks, at least once they took measurements. 00:54:42
They ask questions. 00:54:45
They look to see if they had single cloth or plexiglass siding, all of that stuff. It's all in their report. 00:54:47
They reviewed parklets and 16 other cities. In some cases, they went to these cities. 00:54:52
Right, they got plans. We sent them plans from the ones from Los Gatos, for example, which by the way, are all standard Los Gatos 00:54:58
parklets. 00:55:01
Or put up on a temporary order just like Pacific Grove. 00:55:06
And the city City Council made them take them all down. That's not. 00:55:10
What is going on here? I don't know where this anti parklet. 00:55:15
Discussion started up. I haven't heard a single person. 00:55:18
Say that the parking should be removed. 00:55:21
We had a City Council member here at the June 1st meeting. 00:55:23
She's in favor of Parklands. I talked to her and asked her directly, she says. I'm a favorite artist. She's on these. 00:55:27
City Council subcommittee. 00:55:32
OK, so in Los Gatos they made him take them down. We have a friend that has one by the Great Bear. 00:55:35
He had to get drawings. They cost them $80,000 to take it down, reconstruct it and then put the process through the Planning 00:55:41
Commission. We're not asking that nobody. 00:55:45
Is asking that I don't think. 00:55:49
Unless I've been duped, which is? 00:55:51
Possible, I suppose. 00:55:53
The Planning Commission served 100 surveyed, 112 businesses. They went in these places and they talked to the business owners. 00:55:55
So not just restaurants, they talk to all business owners. 00:56:03
And I, and I would suggest that several people have mentioned to me, Mr. Trotter was here, he doesn't have a Parkland, he doesn't 00:56:06
have a restaurant. 00:56:10
One of the things that is unclear in both of the reports is whether parklets would apply to non restaurant businesses. 00:56:14
If I have a Barber shop, could I have a parking? If I had an antique store, could I have a parking? I think that's not 00:56:21
particularly clear. 00:56:25
So the businesses that don't are at a disadvantage because they lose the parking. I I I think there's plenty of parking by the 00:56:29
way. 00:56:33
Unless the cinema parking lot goes away, then we have a problem. So anyway, they surveyed 112 businesses quality of Sawyer of the 00:56:37
Planning Commission. 00:56:41
I think she personally interviewed 103 residents and visitors to Pacific Grove or a six month period. She walked around you, maybe 00:56:46
she talked to you. She talked to me three times and she only let me comment once. 00:56:52
With a clipboard and a questionnaire. 00:56:59
And she talked to 103 people. 00:57:02
I don't know. That's data to me. 00:57:04
And then she put them into charts. If you look at the Planning Commission reports, 70%. 00:57:06
Surveyed said that parklets should only be for restaurants. I don't have an opinion on that. 00:57:11
However, 47% of the people surveyed said they were not. 00:57:16
They did not feel safe. 00:57:19
Walking or driving near a parklet. 00:57:21
Majority said they wanted design standards. There was a strong desire for bike parking, which there was not. 00:57:24
In existence now. 00:57:29
If you look at the comments, she wrote down every single comment. It is in the report. Every single language comment. 00:57:31
There were 10. 00:57:38
Near miss Comments at the Victorian corner. I've talked to five people different from these who've got a near miss, including Mr. 00:57:40
Trotter here. 00:57:43
And I went back and looked at it. Today, I stood at that corner. 00:57:47
You can't see. 00:57:50
Coming down from the you know. 00:57:52
From Chase Bank there you can't see that corner. 00:57:55
And Mr. Trotter's problem was not walking. He was trying to pull out on Fountain. He couldn't see the the traffic coming down the 00:57:58
lighthouse. So it's everybody, I think is pretty clear. It's it's it's a problem. 00:58:02
So there's a line of sight issue there. 00:58:07
I don't think we're too far apart. I don't think that the the city plan. 00:58:09
The staff plan and the Planning Commission are too far apart. 00:58:14
I think most of these are ADA compliant. I think that they most of them are trying to. 00:58:18
Address and mediate the gutter problem. They should be at least 20 feet from the intersection. There should be emergency gaps. 00:58:22
You know, if you got a 20 foot, there should be an emergency access gap for emergency medical people or the fire department. 00:58:30
And there's other issues that the I I talked to the owner of the happy girl. 00:58:38
And she is kind of a different case if I Mr. City Manager, if I understand. 00:58:44
Her packet was there before this temporary ordinance went into place. Is that correct? 00:58:48
That's correct, yeah. And I think and I and I told the person, I I didn't have a problem with that. But the issue was that. 00:58:53
The current planning report calls for parking lots on streets only. 00:59:00
15 miles an hour and under. 00:59:05
Most cities I went back and looked over the past three or four days. 00:59:08
And I looked at San Mateo, Palo Alto. 00:59:11
Culver City and they all call for 25 mile an hour. 00:59:14
Limits. 00:59:19
So she should not have her problem, and I went back and looked at her Parkland today. We weren't quite by it. 00:59:20
And she meets all the requirements, so, and I think she's grandfathered in anyway. 00:59:26
So you know, that's kind of my comment, comment and and. 00:59:30
I'm mystified that there are people who think there's an anti. 00:59:35
Parkwood. 00:59:39
Cabal of some kind. I haven't talked. I haven't talked to a single person who wants to take him away. 00:59:40
That's that's ridiculous. If I could just use that word. 00:59:44
So. 00:59:47
I have some other comments and suggestions that could go in the letter. 00:59:49
But when we get to the I don't know if Mr. Hoops is gonna propose the official wording or are you gonna read it to us or? 00:59:53
I don't know how that's going to happen, but the motions on the floor, it was seconded. 00:59:59
And I would like to have the opportunity to make a further discussion once I hear what the content of the letter is going to be 01:00:03
because the keywords. 01:00:07
They got my attention Where? 01:00:10
Grandfather. 01:00:13
And status quo and those both have from land use issues. 01:00:16
Those both have legal definitions. 01:00:19
Have anybody went and looked at the legal definition of status quo and grandfather from a zoning and land use? 01:00:22
Issue, but I am personally a grandfather. 01:00:28
And my grandkids don't let me grandfather anything yet. They hold me accountable. 01:00:31
For anything I did before and anything I did after. 01:00:36
So there you go. Maybe that's a good role model. Thank you. 01:00:39
Thank you. 01:00:41
Councilman Grove, 80. I didn't do the research you did. I applaud that. Thank you for doing that. 01:00:45
I live a block from downtown. 01:00:51
And I have to say that the parklets have really changed the nature. 01:00:53
And the culture of downtown in a really positive way. 01:00:58
I don't know that other businesses are losing business. I think foot traffic can only help businesses. 01:01:01
I am a real estate agent with Over the Moon and we get a lot of traffic past that little billboard, I'll tell you. 01:01:09
So they're going to the monarch where they're going. 01:01:14
You know, to the Thai restaurant. 01:01:18
And that there's no other reason for them to be walking. 01:01:22
By that. 01:01:24
Location or others? 01:01:25
It's also a great source of tax revenue for the city. 01:01:27
I'm assuming do you know how much tax revenue comes in from restaurant? 01:01:30
No, Commissioner, we don't have a breakdown of that. But I can tell you that the sales tax has increased steadily since the time 01:01:35
of the pandemic. Yeah, I know the restaurants during the pandemic were really suffering and we did our best as a family to take 01:01:40
take out. 01:01:44
But when the parklets came in, that was really a wonderful thing. 01:01:50
I'm just saying, and I think the restaurants encumbered some. 01:01:54
Some large expenses to build those Parklands. 01:01:58
Umm. 01:02:01
And so. 01:02:02
I would very much be in favor of your letter. 01:02:03
Commissioner Hoops. 01:02:07
Thank you. 01:02:09
That's right, Martha. Of course. 01:02:11
I am the Commissioner that doesn't have a vote here, but I did want to give you sort of my my thoughts on on what's happening here 01:02:13
and the agenda item is about the letter, you know, what is this letter going to state to to the City Council, I think. 01:02:21
Obviously from the chambers perspective, we've been in, you know, in supportive part parklets since the very beginning. I can echo 01:02:29
everything that everyone said about the vitality that they bring to the to the community. We were heavily in favour of the city 01:02:36
Staffs report that they wrote, which does recommend a few things. One of them. 01:02:42
Being cleaning a cleaning program and water flow underneath the parklet. So those are things that need to be done. And in fact a 01:02:49
lot of the restaurants that, yeah, they're more than willing to make those minor changes to make things better. So we we have 01:02:56
always been in support of that, not as not as much in support of some of those real major structural changes that the Planning 01:03:03
Commission report, subcommittee report had in it because those would be major versus minor, major changes. 01:03:10
I think for this Commission, my suggestion for the Commission would be to be careful about how you word it. Obviously wordsmithing 01:03:19
is kind of something you have to do when you write a letter. I I worry a little bit about the word grandfathering just because it 01:03:25
you need to define it, if that's what that is. And also I really think it's important that we look at what the city staff put 01:03:31
together because they are the professionals. They've been working with the restaurants since the very beginning and perhaps we 01:03:37
say. 01:03:43
That were in support of what they're recommending because there are some safety and and some guidelines that they've already 01:03:49
written that they're in support of and the restaurants and the community and the City Council are already seem to be in support of 01:03:55
as well. So that piece of it I think would be important for this letter. 01:04:01
And again, I, you know from the Chamber's perspective, we support the particular, it's just like it seems like almost everybody in 01:04:08
the community does. Thank you, thank you, thank you. And yeah, I definitely I. 01:04:13
Completely agree with you and I think that there are. Those terms are definitely defined and and and what I take them to mean is 01:04:19
is in the context of this agenda item is is. 01:04:24
You know there were stipulations, regulations, guidelines when these were built. If once once something is construction 01:04:29
constructed, major structural changes to them need not be the responsibility of of the business. Like you know, a little bit of 01:04:35
water, drainage, drill a couple holes, make a vent here, this or that is fine, but you can't then regulate. 01:04:41
You know, it needs to now be 4 feet wide instead of five feet wide or or something like this and that. That's sort of the the the 01:04:49
nature of this is that. 01:04:53
You know who knows what those regulations are gonna be? I think major structural changes is and I and I use that word cautiously 01:04:58
because then how do you define that? And I understand this is a whole can of worms, but I think that like. 01:05:03
Saying that a wall needs to be 5 feet high instead of four feet high just because that's the arbitrary number that was pulled out 01:05:09
is is. 01:05:12
Is a little bit. 01:05:15
Onerous on the on the business owners and I think that like. 01:05:18
Something about improved drainage or you know there's there's going to be city oversight as far as cleanliness and and there's 01:05:21
gonna be inspectors that come around monthly or whatever. I mean that's all compliance issue that's totally fine and I think that 01:05:25
that's. 01:05:29
Useful and helpful but but tearing them down just to rebuild them is is not is not something that I see is feasible and I think 01:05:34
once they go down there never going to come back up, which is the concern here. 01:05:39
So yeah, I'm happy to take input on on what that letter might be and and define those terms as we see fit. But I think that like. 01:05:44
The the big thing here is that we need to protect what is an existing structure, that it's not a wholesale change to those 01:05:52
structures. 01:05:56
And I think that that we're on the same page about that as far as Chamber and. 01:06:00
This this draft that I'm proposing. 01:06:04
Yeah. 01:06:09
Just my two cents on on the topic. Again, looking at this through the lens of the CDC. 01:06:10
Acknowledging the fact that this has been a program that's been very successful for the local businesses and I acknowledge that. 01:06:16
I too AM. 01:06:24
Concerned and and hesitant to use certain verbiage in the letter. 01:06:27
Frankly, in terms of the CDC and our purview. 01:06:32
I believe that the opportunity to voice support. 01:06:36
For the parklets. 01:06:39
And to share that as an advisory? 01:06:40
Commission to the the City Council. 01:06:43
Is. 01:06:46
Ultimately, where? 01:06:47
We have an opportunity to. 01:06:49
Communicate that information. Beyond that, we are not experts and many of the things that we've discussed today and heard feedback 01:06:51
from. 01:06:54
I appreciate all the public comments that we received and again. 01:06:58
We are simply. 01:07:02
Representing. 01:07:04
The business interests, interests of the community here and looking to provide support where appropriate. 01:07:05
And so in that I think that. 01:07:12
Perhaps. 01:07:15
To Commissioner Mcmurdo's recommendation. 01:07:16
In drafting the letter, we consider the fact that we are simply. 01:07:19
Stating support. 01:07:22
For the parklets themselves, without getting into too deep into specifics. 01:07:24
Would be my recommendation. 01:07:29
In terms of next steps. 01:07:31
It sounds as though we have an opportunity to take a vote on a letter. 01:07:34
Then the next step following that would be the letter itself and I. 01:07:38
Apologize, but I do not know that process and so I had asked the city manager if maybe you can advise us on how we would approach 01:07:43
that. 01:07:46
Sure, Chair. So the motion, as I understand it, is for Commissioner Hoops to write a letter on behalf of the EDC supporting. 01:07:51
The existing parklet program, he. 01:08:00
His motion is for that letter to appear. 01:08:03
On the. 01:08:07
Consent calendar. 01:08:09
For the 621 City Council meeting, as I understand what he's asking for. 01:08:10
You have one or two. 01:08:16
Options here. 01:08:17
Umm. 01:08:19
One is. 01:08:21
Allowing Commissioner hoops to. 01:08:22
You know, granting commissioner of the authority to write the letter on behalf of the CDC through your motion that that's an 01:08:24
option. That's I think the motion that's on the table. 01:08:28
If you don't want to do that, then you'd have to convene another meeting. 01:08:32
And have a draft letter brought back before you. You likely don't have a lot of time to do that. I would tell you you can, but you 01:08:36
you would need to do that before the posting of the 621 agenda if that's what you're trying to do. 01:08:41
We are going to post that agenda. 01:08:49
On Friday the 16th. So those would be the two paths forward that I would see. You don't have an option to distribute the letter 01:08:52
via e-mail and take input that way. That would be considered a serial meeting under the Brown Act. Thank you. Thank you. 01:08:58
Commissioner Hobbs, would you like to? 01:09:04
Clarify or amend or? 01:09:08
Restate your motion so that we can take a vote. 01:09:10
A motion that the chair give me the authority to speak on behalf of the DC in a letter drafted to City Council in support of the 01:09:14
parklet program that would appear in their 621 consent calendar agenda. 01:09:20
Yeah. 01:09:27
I'm just I'm a little bit confused here. 01:09:29
Which is? 01:09:32
Only a semi permanent condition. We're learning together. 01:09:33
Instead, we're learning the process together. Thank you. Thank you for that. 01:09:37
But. 01:09:41
Commissioner Hoops in his initial discussion. 01:09:42
Referred to the wording in the recommendation, so there is a discussion. 01:09:46
That was printed in the Agenda for June the 1st. 01:09:50
And Commissioner Hoops referred to a live link. 01:09:53
Linking it to the City Council March 22nd, 2013 meeting. 01:09:56
Did I hear you say that? 01:10:01
20/13/2023 meeting, sorry. 01:10:03
So there is a live link in the discussion. 01:10:07
From June 1st. 01:10:10
But the wording for the discussion. 01:10:12
For the June 8th that is this session is different. 01:10:15
Right. So it's a little bit confusing for people who went out. 01:10:19
The June 1st wording and I can read it. 01:10:22
In line with many Pro business, pro parquet statements issued by local groups, it is in the economic. 01:10:25
Health Interest of the City for the Economic Development Commission to issue a letter of support. 01:10:31
To the City Council for the city's existing Parkland program. 01:10:35
The recommended program would advise the City Council the point of order. I'm so sorry to interrupt you, but. 01:10:39
City manager has raised his hand. I just want to make sure that he's able to be manager. There's two different letters here and 01:10:44
they're both different. The second one does not have the live link. 01:10:48
But it refers to the original code of regulation. 01:10:51
And I sent you an e-mail about this and you didn't seem to understand. 01:10:55
What the original code of regulation was referring to? 01:10:58
Which is in the June 8th discussion about this issue. For clarification, I think you're making this overly complex, Commissioner. 01:11:01
Basically, from what I understand that you're doing right now, you're reading from an agenda report that was on the prior EDC 01:11:08
agenda, and that agenda report was actually not heard. That was authored by the vice chair. The vice chair, as we know, has a 01:11:14
conflict. She recused herself today. So that item was not actually heard at that meeting. 01:11:20
That's what you're referring to right now. That's what you're reading from. That is not a letter. That is a an agenda report that 01:11:27
was at a meeting that we had previously that was actually not considered. So flash forward to today. We have a different agenda 01:11:31
report. It's by Commissioner Hoops. He does not have a conflict. He is here and in his agenda report he's proposing and it says 01:11:36
here. 01:11:40
Draft a statement or letter. So he's proposing that you give him the authority to draft a letter. 01:11:45
Yes. The letter is not here. You're not wordsmithing his proposed words. You are giving him the authority, if you approve this 01:11:53
motion, to draft a letter on behalf of the DC, right, That is what you are being asked to do. There is no. 01:11:59
So you're not going through what? 01:12:06
What words? 01:12:08
Will be in the letter. You're simply giving him that authority to write it. 01:12:10
As I stated before, if it's the pleasure of the Commission and you want to go through whatever he's written prior to it going to 01:12:14
the City Council. 01:12:18
You would have to. 01:12:22
Convene another special meeting to do that, but if you want to, just simply. 01:12:23
You know, take that leap of faith and allow him to to write it on your behalf. That's what you're being asked to do as part of 01:12:28
this motion. OK, so I don't know what's gonna go on the letter. I make a motion. 01:12:32
That we have a special meeting to review the wording of the letter by Mr. Hoops. It's going to go to the City Council. 01:12:37
So point of order there is a motion and a second on the on the on the floor. You know you if you're making a counter. 01:12:43
The substitute motion you can you can look for a second for that and you can see if that goes forward. 01:12:50
OK. So it sounds like we do have a counter motion, yes. OK. 01:12:56
I I don't know what's gonna be in the letter. I can't approve something that's. 01:13:00
You're going to ask me to approve the letter that commissioner who's going to write? 01:13:03
There have been issues about some allowed to vote nay on the motion that I have made for giving me authority to do this. You can 01:13:06
vote against that. 01:13:10
I didn't let me just finish my statement here. Thank you. 01:13:15
I I don't know. I heard the chairman suggest that they'll keep it simple. 01:13:18
And just simply basically support. 01:13:23
The particular program, I'm in favor of that. 01:13:26
I'm not in favor of using words like status quo or existing code or making them exempt from any new regulations. 01:13:28
Or grandfather ever said exempt. Ever. 01:13:36
If by the law, when you grandfather something in and base it on the status quo, they are exempt from any future. 01:13:39
Regulations or ordinances that would be passed after you grandfathered the previous. 01:13:46
Establishment in That's just the way it works. Go back and read the law. That's what it says. So basically you're exempting. 01:13:52
The current parklets and the businesses. 01:13:59
From any improvements having to do with SATA standards or safety? 01:14:01
Or crosswalks. Or if a new building gets built. 01:14:05
What happens then? I have no idea, but you basically said EDC is now supported a business having an existing. 01:14:08
Parklet, which is not in compliance and I'm not in favor of that because there are safety issues. 01:14:15
That are going to get brought up so using words like says will grandfather. 01:14:20
And all of that you just say we're going to. 01:14:23
Support Bartletts. 01:14:26
Unless there is but support parklets, it's a great program. Let's keep it going. I'm for that. Thank you. 01:14:28
So we have a counter counter. 01:14:34
On the floor. 01:14:35
Anyone like to 2nd that? 01:14:36
OK, seeing none. 01:14:41
So we do have a motion on the floor. 01:14:43
Shall we? 01:14:45
Take A roll call vote. 01:14:46
Yes, Commissioner Gibbs. 01:14:48
So we're voting on. 01:14:52
Commissioner Hoops, a motion that we don't know what it's going to say that Mister Hoop is going to write. 01:14:53
On giving. 01:14:59
Mr. Who's the permission? 01:15:00
We're voting on. 01:15:02
To give Mr. Hoops the permission to write a draft a letter from EDD. Period. 01:15:04
That's why our vote is on. 01:15:11
15 mile speed limits. Line of sight. I don't care. Let's just vote. 01:15:12
Let's this gentleman's done a hell of a lot of research on this and he's brought this forward and he's absolutely right, and 01:15:17
Eric's absolutely right about what this Commission should do and what it is. 01:15:22
Let's send a letter. Period. That's the vote. 01:15:28
It isn't just drafting the letter. 01:15:33
And that's not the motion that you we're giving you. We're asking. You're asking. 01:15:35
To represent the EDC, correct. Yeah, that's Ohh yeah. 01:15:39
OK. 01:15:46
We still have a motion on the floor for a vote. OK, Commissioner Gibbs. 01:15:47
So I'm just I got interrupted twice when I was trying to ask my question. 01:15:52
Right. And Mr. Mark, what's up? Beautifully phrased my question. So thank you, Mr. Markowitz. You're welcome. 01:15:56
So Mr. Hoops is going to write this letter. 01:16:02
Open-ended. We don't know what it's going to say. He's listening to the he could say. 01:16:05
I could say I'm against grandfather and he put grandfathering in there. I'm against that. I don't know what the letter is going to 01:16:09
say. I can't approve something. 01:16:12
That I don't know what's in the darn letter. And don't No, no. 01:16:16
Right. 01:16:21
It's on the It's your vote. 01:16:22
Commissioner Gibbs. 01:16:25
Roll call vote please. 01:16:30
Commissioner Venuti. 01:16:33
Aye. 01:16:34
Share admin aye. 01:16:35
Commissioner Markowitz. 01:16:37
Mr. Hoops Hi. 01:16:40
Commissioner Gibbs. 01:16:41
I can't go along with this. I I feel like we're being railroaded into something. 01:16:45
I can't. I can't agree. But the record reflect Commissioner gives is abstaining from the vote no. I'm not abstaining, I'm voting 01:16:48
no. 01:16:51
OK. Thank you. Thank you. 01:16:54
Motion Passes, 41 Gibbs. 01:16:56
OK. 01:17:01
So this is a special meeting. We still have good of the order. 01:17:08
We do have our next regular meeting. 01:17:12
Coming up on Thursday, July 6th. 01:17:15
The Lasix, so we're. 01:17:23
We're next month at this point here. 01:17:25
And my intention for that meeting is for the opportunity to. 01:17:28
Proceed with our workshop session. 01:17:34
During that time, so I hope that we can all be present for that meeting. 01:17:37
And welcome you all there and look forward to that conversation. What's the workshops topic? 01:17:41
So we're going to be going over a few things. First, this process. 01:17:46
We'll be walking through goals for the EDC. 01:17:50
And looking forward at some some more strategy conversations as well trying to narrow down our scope so that we can really focus 01:17:54
in on. 01:17:57
Accomplishing. 01:18:01
Some specific. 01:18:04
Items for the remainder of. 01:18:06
Of the Commission's term. 01:18:09
OK. 01:18:12
July 6th, 4:00 o'clock. 01:18:13
OK. 01:18:16
Then the time to talk about other agenda items on that meeting. Yeah, you certainly can. Again, this would be a primarily focused 01:18:17
on the workshop sessions. We wanna leave as much time for that as we can. 01:18:22
Umm. 01:18:28
And you also just reminded me, forgive me, but you just reminded me as well, that we'll be using that time. 01:18:29
To review a subcommittee recommendation because we will be reviewing the grant program prior to that meeting, so. 01:18:34
We'll be meeting and discussing and bringing back feedback so we can keep that. 01:18:42
Moving along in a timely manner now, if you do have anything else that you'd like to recommend. 01:18:46
Since we talked. 01:18:52
About including a a discussion about the chamber taking over the. 01:18:54
I forget what it's called, but the gift cards for restaurants, yes, yes. So if we could put that on the agenda, that would be 01:18:59
great. 01:19:02
OK. 01:19:08
Anything further? 01:19:10
You asked, you said that the. 01:19:11
Grant program would be before the meeting. 01:19:13
You mean it's going to be, it'll be at the beginning of the meeting, subcommittee meeting to discuss our record. OK. So bringing 01:19:17
it back, it's not the full, it's not the full Commission, correct. 01:19:21
There will be a full Commission discussion over the recommendation. 01:19:26
We'll work on. Yeah, we'll work on that one. Kelly's back. OK. Very good. That is the end of the meeting. I'll call this meeting 01:19:33
adjourned. It is 5/19. 01:19:38
Well done everyone. Thank you. 01:19:43
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As as we get started right here, the chime ringing and I want to. 00:00:11
Acknowledge the City of Pacific Grove app because I had the pleasure of using that app to. 00:00:15
Put in a request to see if we can get that chime to be on time and it was taken care of. 00:00:22
And they were amazingly responsive. So if you have not used the City of Pacific Grove app, I highly recommend it. And they listen. 00:00:28
OK, so today is a special meeting of the Economic Development Commission. It is 4:00 o'clock. 00:00:35
On July, June 6th. 00:00:43
And. 00:00:47
Pardon 8th? Pardon me, I'm I'm already getting ahead of myself. 00:00:49
And. 00:00:53
I call this meeting to order. 00:00:55
If we can take roll call, please. 00:00:57
Absolutely, Commissioner Gibbs. 00:00:59
Here. 00:01:01
Commissioner Venuti, Vice Chair Jacobs here, Chair Upman. 00:01:02
Present Secretary McMurdo present. 00:01:06
Commissioner Markowitz, President. 00:01:09
Mr. Hoops here. 00:01:11
All present, with the exception of Commissioner Richmond. Absent. Thank you. 00:01:13
OK. The agenda for today and the supporting documents were circulated in advance of today's meeting. 00:01:17
You're available for download on the economic development page pacificgroup.org. 00:01:23
Begin Before we get going here, is there any public comment on the packet? 00:01:28
No. 00:01:33
I don't have view of the participants, so if you could. 00:01:34
And chair, you do not need to take any public comment on the approval of the agenda section if you don't wish to. 00:01:38
OK. 00:01:43
Does not look like we have any comment anyhow, so that's perfect. 00:01:44
OK. And any other questions on the agenda items for the committee? 00:01:47
Not. 00:01:52
For discussion during the actual agenda item that we're going to be reviewing today. 00:01:53
We're on #2 here. 00:02:00
Is that where we're still approving the agenda? 00:02:02
This is simply the approval agenda. 00:02:04
They were. 00:02:07
So would be appropriate for a motion to approve the agenda from someone. 00:02:09
Right. 00:02:13
Have a motion to approve the agenda? 00:02:15
I second. 00:02:17
All right, roll call. 00:02:18
Yeah, I think I'll put down Markowitz as the second for that. 00:02:21
OK, very good. Give me a moment to catch up. 00:02:25
OK, Commissioner Gibbs. 00:02:30
Yes. 00:02:33
Commissioner Beauty. 00:02:34
Vice Chair Jacobs. 00:02:36
Aye, aye. 00:02:37
Commissioner Markowitz Aye, Commissioner Hoops, Hi motion passes. 00:02:40
5. 00:02:44
One Richmond absent. Perfect. OK, great. 00:02:46
And then moving on to Commission and staff and announcements, are there any announcements from the city staff? 00:02:51
No chair. 00:02:58
OK. And any announcements not on the agenda from the commissioners press? 00:02:59
Seeing none. Ohh. Commissioner Gibbs. Yeah, well, I'm not sure if this is appropriate, but we we went past Memorial Day and there 00:03:04
was a group of people that. 00:03:08
Showed up at the local cemetery cemetery and put out 908 flags. 00:03:13
On the graves of the veterans and their and their spouses, mostly wives. 00:03:18
And so I just want to thank all of the 12:15 people show up. 00:03:22
Three people showed up to take them back out on Tuesday. So was one of them. So anyway, it was a great day. We got some good 00:03:26
pictures and there's a blog up about it. Thank you, that's wonderful, and thank you to everyone that participated. 00:03:32
Any further? 00:03:39
Announcements from the commissioners seeing none. 00:03:41
OK and. 00:03:45
Our council liaison will not be joining us unfortunately he's traveling at the moment so. 00:03:47
That brings us to general public comment. This portion of the meeting is reserved for members of the public to address the 00:03:53
Commission on matters not on the agenda. So, to be clear, not on the agenda today. 00:03:58
But under the jurisdiction of the Commission, commit comments from the public were limited to 3 minutes. 00:04:03
Will not receive EDC Commission action these comments. 00:04:08
Regarding items on the regular agenda should be heard prior to the Commission's consideration. 00:04:11
Of such items at the time. 00:04:17
Such items are called so once our agenda items are under discussion. 00:04:19
Whenever possible, written correspondence should be received or submitted to the CDC in advance of the meeting. We did receive 00:04:22
some public comments prior to today's meeting. Thank you for those very much. Are there any members of the public who would like 00:04:28
to make a comment at this time not regarding the discussion? 00:04:33
For today's special meeting. 00:04:39
Seeing none. 00:04:47
OK. 00:04:49
Great. So that moves us on to approval of the minutes. 00:04:50
The minutes of our June 1st meeting, which was just a week ago, we're just repeating in advance. 00:04:53
And are included in the agenda packet available for download at the cdcpage@pacificgroup.org. Is there any public comment on the 00:05:00
minutes that were distributed? 00:05:04
I'm confused. 00:05:12
I didn't see the minutes #1. 00:05:15
It's down at the bottom. OK, my fault. That's OK, but. 00:05:17
Do we do that at this special meeting or we do it at the next regular meeting? Well, the meeting, the minutes from the prior 00:05:20
meeting are distributed for every subsequent meeting. So, OK, the minutes from this will be at our regular meeting. It is 00:05:25
confusing. Sure. OK, I'll Scroll down. 00:05:30
OK, so. 00:05:36
I did look at the minutes it was it wasn't clear to me. 00:05:38
From the June 1st meeting, the purpose I understand we're looking at a letter about the parklets. 00:05:41
But I I wasn't sure. It wasn't clear from the Minutes what the purpose. 00:05:47
Of this session was from reading the minutes OK. 00:05:51
Is I? I didn't. I just didn't see. There wasn't a lot of discussion. I was here. 00:05:54
But but I didn't hear and I asked the question what the purpose was. 00:05:58
And I think the response I got from Mr. Harvey was, we can't talk about that. 00:06:03
You know, because that's. 00:06:07
Not on the agenda, so. 00:06:09
We didn't take a vote or anything, and I was just wondering if there's a description of rule here or description of of what the 00:06:11
item on the agenda is, specifically because it references a letter, but I don't have any letter in front of me, nor do I and so. 00:06:18
Done. 00:06:25
Sure, sure, Chair. I can take that question, so. 00:06:26
A couple of things, and I did engage in some e-mail correspondence with Commissioner Gibbs. 00:06:30
And I think one of the questions you had was. 00:06:35
You know you you were looking, if if I recall correctly, you were looking for, you know, some type of notice as to when and and. 00:06:38
When the meeting was going to be called and and what it was about, if I understood your e-mail correctly. 00:06:45
And I advise you in my response to you that. 00:06:50
It is up to the chair. 00:06:53
To decide. 00:06:55
When a meeting is called. 00:06:56
And for a special meeting, it only requires 24 hours notice and you are notified as an economic Development commissioner two ways. 00:06:57
One, you receive the. 00:07:02
Agenda and the packet in an e-mail sent. 00:07:07
To you, which you received. 00:07:10
And then you also if you're. 00:07:11
Out and about we'll we'll notice the agenda posted. 00:07:14
And you'll also see it on the city website. 00:07:17
So that's how you know. 00:07:19
It's been called the what the meeting is about is, you know, addressed when you read what's on the agenda itself. 00:07:21
And so there is an agenda item. 00:07:28
That we are considering today. 00:07:31
When I go. 00:07:33
Look at the item. There is a. 00:07:34
A subject. There is a recommendation. 00:07:37
There is a discussion. 00:07:39
And there are a couple. 00:07:41
Hyperlinks So. 00:07:43
To me it's it's clear from reading that what? The. 00:07:44
What the agenda item is all about, So I believe, Commissioner Gibbs, your your questions were answered and they and they have been 00:07:47
answered. 00:07:50
If there's anything that you're. 00:07:54
Confused about? I'd recommend that you bring that up during the agenda. 00:07:56
Report itself, but it seems very clear to me from from reading this. 00:07:59
And my idea, Thank you. No, thank you. I mean, I. 00:08:03
I was here when the meeting was. 00:08:05
Mentioned. 00:08:07
There wasn't a vote on the meeting itself, so but here I am, so, so again there doesn't and I think this is something you brought 00:08:08
up several times and chair, if I may continue. 00:08:13
There doesn't need to be a vote on whether or not there is going to be. 00:08:18
A special meeting that the chair. 00:08:21
And the chair alone decides the agenda. 00:08:24
And you know when, when the meeting shall take place, that is a a perk of of being the chair. And we've discussed this before, so 00:08:26
I'm gonna bring it up to you again. 00:08:30
This is you know, it does not require a vote as to whether or not you have a meeting or not. 00:08:34
What's important is whether or not a quorum will be present, because there's no point in having a meeting. 00:08:40
If you don't have a quorum there to. 00:08:45
Act on the items on the agenda. So maybe that was part of the confusion, as you were. 00:08:47
Mixing those two things up, at the last meeting we were simply trying to take a quick straw poll vote to see who might be present 00:08:52
if there was going to be a special meeting called. We didn't know at that point if there was going to be a special meeting called 00:08:56
because the chair was not present. 00:09:00
The vice chair who is presiding. 00:09:04
Took it as an action item to confer with the chair that it seemed there was a a a desire for this and it was up to him to make 00:09:06
that decision. He made the decision. The agenda was posted. 00:09:11
You're here. Here we are. 00:09:17
I got it. Thank you. I I guess my main point was. 00:09:19
We're talking about a letter. That's what the description is. 00:09:22
And I'm not sure was that letter we'll we'll we'll be discussing that in just a moment. I'm just asking. 00:09:25
They ask, Excuse me, was the proposed letter. 00:09:32
Included in the package was not. 00:09:34
That's not no. 00:09:37
That we all have in front of us is what's for discussion today. 00:09:38
So I believe that we have. 00:09:41
Approval of the Minutes. 00:09:44
As our next step, do we have a motion to approve the Minutes? 00:09:45
So moved. 00:09:49
We have a second. 00:09:50
Thank you. 00:09:52
All right. 00:09:53
Great one. Give me one moment to catch you up. That's Mark awaits. Oops. 00:09:54
Roll call vote chair. 00:10:01
Please. OK, Commissioner Gibbs. 00:10:02
All right. Commissioner Venuti, Mr. Jacobs. 00:10:05
Chair Hubman. 00:10:08
Second, sorry, Commissioner McMurdo. 00:10:10
I mean Markowitz, aye. 00:10:12
Commissioner Hoops. 00:10:15
Aye. 00:10:16
OK, motion passes 51. Commissioner Richmond absent. 00:10:17
Thank you. 00:10:21
OK. 00:10:22
That brings us to a regular agenda and and before we get started, this is a special Commission meeting tonight. 00:10:23
And I would very much like to make sure that we're able to take this single agenda item and have a concise conversation around 00:10:29
this and come to a decision. 00:10:33
I look forward to. 00:10:38
Debate and discussion, but I'd like to. 00:10:40
Try to manage today's conversation as best as possible. I ask that. 00:10:42
If you would Please wait to be acknowledged by the chair before speaking, I would appreciate that I have. 00:10:46
Positioned. 00:10:52
Uh. 00:10:53
Our secretary and our vice chair of both sides to please notify me if someone has raised their hand. We're just gonna try to be as 00:10:54
orderly as possible, and I would appreciate that. Thank you. 00:10:58
In addition, for all public comment and any opening comments, we would like to try to limit those to 3 minutes as per the rules of 00:11:04
Roberts rules. 00:11:08
That we will provide for enough time for. 00:11:14
Our own discussion as well around this agenda item. 00:11:16
So that brings us to our regular agenda and our single agenda item 4:00 today for the special meeting. 00:11:19
We are here to discuss a letter to the City Council that states our support of the quote status quo. 00:11:26
Of the City Park program. This was proposed by Commissioner Hoops. 00:11:31
Recommended action here is to draft a statement or a letter from the Economic Development Commission to the City Council that 00:11:36
states our support of the status quo of the City Park program. 00:11:41
And. 00:11:46
I believe, Commissioner Hoops, if you'd like to begin with. 00:11:48
OK. 00:11:54
Ohh, that's right. Did are you required to use yourself at this point? I'm sorry, we're still figuring out. 00:11:54
I've been advised to recuse, which means I won't be participating in the discussion and instead I. 00:12:01
Am I allowed to give a public comment? Excellent. OK, so we will, we will come back, circle back to you on the other side. Let us 00:12:08
know how the view is from that side. 00:12:12
Mr. Chairman, excuse me, with your indulgence please. You said that 3 minutes for public comment and then you said. 00:12:18
You follow that with three minutes for if we have any questions and then we'll get into discussion. You mean from the Commission 00:12:25
to be correct, We're limited to 3 minutes ideally so that we can get into the conversation. 00:12:30
And I did look at Roberts Rules of Orders and thank you for informing that and. 00:12:35
Roberts Rules of Order generally limits the discussion in 10 minutes. I didn't for discussion. 00:12:39
Right. I didn't find any three minute limit on commissioners. 00:12:44
Uh. 00:12:48
City manager, Sheriff, I could weigh in. So the normal protocol that we use at the City Council is we have the presentation from 00:12:49
whoever is giving the presentation and today it's going to be Commissioner Hoops. 00:12:54
You go out for public comment. Public comment is normally limited to three person 3 minutes per individual. 00:12:59
Usually. 00:13:05
Public comment is treated as a one way conversation. There is no need to respond to questions or inquiries. 00:13:06
This is just the time for the public to be heard, So after public comment is completed, you then go directly back to the 00:13:12
Commission as time for your. 00:13:16
Discussion. If there was a question raised during public comment, it's appropriate during the Commission discussion to either 00:13:20
answer yourselves or ask for staff to respond to it. 00:13:24
Thank you. 00:13:28
Thank you. 00:13:29
Yeah. 00:13:30
So that then takes us to Commissioner Hoops to introduce the agenda item and then we'll go to public comma. 00:13:31
Thank you Chair. So the recommendation here is pretty clear. 00:13:41
I I would like to have this Commission be drafting a letter that gets included into City Council's next consent agenda and 6/21. 00:13:46
4. 00:13:58
To express our support. 00:14:00
4. 00:14:01
The parklet program as it stands in Pacific Grove. 00:14:03
And. 00:14:08
What that means to to go into some detail cause there has been some question on this is that. 00:14:09
There's there's Parkland issues on the City council's agenda as they stand. This Commission has no control over what City Council 00:14:14
may choose to do. 00:14:18
There are existing parklets in our town as they are, which were constructed, I would like to remind everybody and it's included in 00:14:22
the discussion. 00:14:26
In the packet of the agenda and there's hyperlinks to city websites as far as what? 00:14:30
General regulations and I'm sure staff could provide deeper regulations that were actually two business, but as an overview the 00:14:37
regulations that were that were. 00:14:42
On the books when the parklets were constructed during years 2020 to 2022. 00:14:49
So. 00:14:54
I think the general consensus is that these, the parklets as they are, were constructed without regulation or oversight at all, 00:14:55
which is. 00:14:58
Not true and. 00:15:01
The the purpose of this letter would be to say that. 00:15:04
To inform City Council that. 00:15:07
This Commission overwhelmingly supports and and has heard from the business community that that we overwhelmingly support the 00:15:09
Parkland program. 00:15:13
And that the parklets that exist. 00:15:16
Were constructed with city traffic engineer emergency service workers. 00:15:19
Um, ADA compliance? Various other regulations? 00:15:25
In mind they are safe. 00:15:29
They are built to a code that existed, that was put forth by the city and not by the business owners themselves. 00:15:31
And that. 00:15:38
If there are new regulations to be drafted by the City Council, which is their prerogative that they only be for new? 00:15:39
Construction of parklets, that parklets as they exist today. 00:15:46
Should be. 00:15:50
Required to meet the regulations on which they were constructed and not whatever new regulations may come out from the City 00:15:53
Council going forward. 00:15:56
That's that's the issue. I'm happy to draft the letter myself, but I'd like. 00:16:02
To hear input from this Commission and we've heard. 00:16:08
A lot of input from the business community via e-mail, public comment, etcetera over. 00:16:13
Not only this leading up to this special special meeting, but also. 00:16:19
Over the last several months and and years as it stands for as these have been standing so. 00:16:23
That's that's where we're at is I I think it's it's behooves this Commission to. 00:16:29
As the. 00:16:34
The implement of the broader business community and the year to City Council to to draft a letter that says we support the status 00:16:37
quo of the parklets. And I'd be happy to draft that. And I'm happy to hear input from our Commission because I want this to be on 00:16:42
behalf of this Commission and not just. 00:16:46
Commissioner hoops so. 00:16:52
But. 00:16:54
Yeah, that's that's the agenda item and thank you for bringing this forward. Thank you, Commissioner. 00:16:55
OK, that brings us to public comment. Do we have any public comments before we get started on our discussion? Please welcome to 00:17:01
join us. 00:17:06
At the microphone. 00:17:10
And if you're unfamiliar with the microphone, the red light actually means off. So you need to hit a button and it's down at the 00:17:12
base. Perfect. Thank you very much. Welcome. Good afternoon. My name is Don Murphy. I'm a local resident. 00:17:17
I'm a patron of local restaurants. 00:17:23
And I'm a patron of local, local parklets. 00:17:26
And the city attorney has asked me to tell you that I'm also a member of the Planning Commission. 00:17:29
But I'm not here from the Planning Commission. I'm speaking just as myself, just as a resident, and I was not a member of the 00:17:33
Planning Commission. Park that subcommittee. 00:17:38
Again, my comments are just for myself. 00:17:43
I think the city and we saw Halloran in our building, official John Keel and the restaurant community and help the chamber 00:17:47
developed very good. 00:17:51
Temporary parklet program under emergency conditions. 00:17:56
I do feel, however, that there are. 00:18:00
Health and safety issues. 00:18:03
Involving the the diners at the parklets, pedestrians. 00:18:06
And motorists. 00:18:10
And I think that any recommended? 00:18:11
Changes by the City Council. 00:18:13
It's obvious the health and safety issue all part that should comply existing ones and new ones and it's. 00:18:16
I mean, that's clear as a bell to me. 00:18:23
And I know reasonable people can disagree on things. 00:18:25
But I can't imagine that a restaurant owner. 00:18:29
And if the Council thinks there again, health and safety improvements that should be made. 00:18:32
I can't. 00:18:38
Imagine a restaurant owner would not want to do them. 00:18:39
I understand they may not be happy having to pay for changes. I completely understand that and I sympathize. 00:18:41
But the health and safety of our residents and visitors? 00:18:47
Should should come first. 00:18:51
It's hard to comment on the letter since it doesn't exist yet, but I would hope whatever letter you draft. 00:18:53
Takes that into account. Thank you very much. 00:18:59
You very much. 00:19:03
Yes. 00:19:13
My. 00:19:13
Mike is on right. It is welcome and thank you before. 00:19:14
Peggy Gibbs, a resident of Pacific Grove. I too enjoy parklets and enjoy going there and and the benefit of them. I also know that 00:19:17
they were extremely important during the COVID shutdown in order for restaurants especially to be able to survive. 00:19:26
I think that during the time period that they were constructed, it was an emergency time period and everyone did absolutely, I 00:19:35
have no doubt the very best they could. 00:19:40
It was a very different time and a very important. 00:19:45
Decision to go forward, I would challenge, however. 00:19:48
The idea that now we have. 00:19:52
Lived with them. 00:19:54
And there might be ways to tweak. 00:19:56
A few spots. 00:19:59
To make them even better for the residents and for egress in order to be. 00:20:01
Very safe, very visible. 00:20:07
If we think back, we were trying to even do just small little things. 00:20:10
In our home with plexiglass and like sand, it was absolutely unavailable. 00:20:15
Because it was going into every single business. 00:20:21
So just even the way things were constructed sometimes had to be manipulated because of just materials that were available. 00:20:24
So now we've Fast forward. 00:20:33
And we're not the only city doing this. There are beautiful parklets everywhere, so I applaud that. 00:20:36
And I just ask that you think of. 00:20:42
A few places. 00:20:45
And I'm going to call out one place in particular. 00:20:47
And that is kind of a blind spot because of the crosswalk. 00:20:50
And that's right at Victorian corner. 00:20:53
I think we can make that a little better. 00:20:56
And still everyone can be happy so that you don't have the circumstance. 00:20:58
Of a mother pushing a stroller. 00:21:04
Into traffic that can't be seen. 00:21:06
Or a child. 00:21:08
In front of a parent walking in the crosswalk and not being seen. 00:21:10
None of us would want that. 00:21:15
So if we just think of. 00:21:16
The human element. 00:21:19
There are ways we can make that area better without diminishing parklets. 00:21:20
So we need to look at crosswalks, We need to look at sidewalks. 00:21:25
Possibly a bump out. I know last night. 00:21:29
At City Hall. Here at City Hall. 00:21:32
The City Council. 00:21:35
Approved $50,000 to make that area better. 00:21:38
So there are wonderful ways to help everyone and I just ask you to be open to that. 00:21:41
Thank you. 00:21:51
Hello. 00:22:00
This is my first time attending an EDC meeting. 00:22:02
Good to have you, Yeah. 00:22:05
No, you're good at it, Sir. 00:22:07
I'm a grant writer. 00:22:12