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So it is 6:00 PM. 00:00:02
I am Stephen Lilly and I will call to order this August 10th. 00:00:04
2023 Regular meeting of the Pacific Rd. Planning Commission. 00:00:09
Mr. Campbell, would you please call the roll? 00:00:13
Generally. 00:00:17
Here. 00:00:18
Vice Chair Murphy. 00:00:19
Commissioner Frederickson. 00:00:24
He has an excused absence. 00:00:26
Sure Sawyer. Ohh. Sorry, Commissioner Sawyer. 00:00:29
President, Commissioner Davison. 00:00:32
President, Commissioner Kubica. 00:00:34
Here. 00:00:36
Commissioner, Commissioner Dzinski. 00:00:37
Present we have 6 present one absent we have a quorum. 00:00:39
Good. So as I said, Commissioner Frederickson has an excuse absence and as Mr. Campbell said, we have a quorum. 00:00:44
Let me just begin briefly by stating this meeting is conducted under revised rules mandated and Assembly Bill 2449. 00:00:53
Besides our median and chambers here this evening, we have a virtual or zoom participation and therefore a hybrid format. 00:01:01
The webinar ID and toll free numbers for those not in attendance on Zoom are on the agenda phase sheet when the host opens the 00:01:08
agenda for public comment, those wishing to speak via Zoom should press star 9 to raise your hand. 00:01:15
And store 6 to unmute when recognized. 00:01:22
Before we continue further, let me remind you, including myself. 00:01:27
That we need to speak directly into the microphone so there are equipment can properly record us. 00:01:31
So and that also means we need to make sure the. 00:01:39
Each other's microphone is on. 00:01:41
So, so now we come to our agenda. Does anybody have any changes to the agenda? 00:01:44
Ohh hearing none. May I have a motion then to approve the agenda? 00:01:54
I move to approve the agenda. 00:02:01
I'll second. All right. Commissioner Nuzenski moved to approve the agenda and seconded by. 00:02:03
Vice Chair Murphy. 00:02:09
So is there any discussion about the agenda? 00:02:12
Ohh, hearing none then Mr. Campbell, would you please call the roll and? 00:02:17
All those in favor should say aye, and those opposed should say nay. 00:02:22
Commissioner Nijinsky. 00:02:28
Aye. 00:02:30
Commissioner, Vice Chair Murphy. 00:02:32
Commissioner Kubica. 00:02:35
Aye. 00:02:36
Commissioner Davison. 00:02:37
Aye. 00:02:39
Commissioner Sawyer. 00:02:40
Aye. 00:02:41
Chair Lily. 00:02:43
Agenda is approved. 00:02:45
Alright, so the agenda is approved by the motion to approve. The agenda is approved by Six Eyes No Nos. And so we move now to item 00:02:48
number 3. 00:02:52
Commission and staff announcements. 00:02:56
Does any member of the Commission have any announcements? 00:02:59
Commissioner Sawyer. 00:03:04
Are you ready with my letter? 00:03:12
Mr. Campbell. 00:03:16
You want me to? I have other things to talk about while you're doing that. You want me to do that? 00:03:32
OK. I also wanted to give an oral report on the. 00:03:36
Story Poll subcommittee because there is no place on it on our agenda. The last report was on July 13th. 00:03:42
We have met twice since then, on July 20th and August 3rd. 00:03:51
Our next meeting is August 16th. 00:03:56
We're making progress. That's all I got to say. Lots of it. 00:03:59
We finished with all the comparisons with other municipalities. 00:04:03
We are now working to complete our storyboard content outline. We're close to starting to write. 00:04:07
We have completed work on a certification letter we're working to complete. 00:04:14
Waivers, exceptions, and alternative policies. 00:04:20
Signage and other specifics regarding policy. 00:04:24
And that's the end of the report on the. 00:04:28
Destroy poll committee unless my compatriots wish to add anything. 00:04:31
No. OK. Thank you. 00:04:37
Umm. 00:04:39
And then I. 00:04:41
Have written a. 00:04:44
3rd letter in regards to the Great Divide, tide, pool, safety and environmental concerns. 00:04:46
My first letter was in June on the 6th. My second letter was July 12th. 00:04:53
And my third letter was today. 00:04:58
Which demonstrates continuing safety and environmental issues which include the following. 00:05:02
There's rebar protruding out of the wood edging beside the path, the drop off area near the coastal path above the great tide 00:05:09
pool. 00:05:13
And that's evident in photograph one, which we'll see in just a minute. 00:05:18
Mayors photograph one, so there's a rebar. 00:05:23
And what's worrisome to me is I was there yesterday when I took this picture. 00:05:26
And there were two ladies going down this path, and one lady did it without any issue. The third, the second lady actually 00:05:33
basically had to sit down so she could go over this. 00:05:39
And when I approached them, the second lady explained that she had a number of orthopedic. 00:05:45
Concerns and injuries. And she had to be extraordinarily careful when she was going down a path like this, so. 00:05:54
It just worries me that we have this. This is part of our coastal path. I just think it needs to be repaired. 00:06:01
This was sort of repaired in July with a DG and you can see that the DG did not stay in place and we have further erosion. 00:06:08
Thirdly, there's no signage or warning of the drop off on the coastal path and then there are. 00:06:19
No protections. 00:06:26
Yeah, number #2. 00:06:29
For the fragile dunes or the tide strums Lupin habitat on the Oceanside of the coastal. 00:06:32
Path and what you see here is. 00:06:40
The. 00:06:44
Wire actually down on the ground. 00:06:46
It doesn't do any good to keep people out of there, so if I could see the next. 00:06:48
Slide. Yeah. And that is a sign that says no entry and you can see there's evidence of. 00:06:54
A lot of footprints right behind that, no entry. 00:07:00
And that area is? 00:07:04
Of. 00:07:07
Significance to. 00:07:08
The. 00:07:11
Are. 00:07:12
You know, great tide pool because it contains a lot of the tide streams. Lupin. 00:07:13
Tide streams looping grow in very few areas. 00:07:18
In the world. 00:07:22
We happen to have in our great tide pool area the largest colony of them. 00:07:24
So they're considered rare and endangered and it just. 00:07:30
I mean, it breaks my heart every time I go by and I see all these footsteps. 00:07:33
And then the last. 00:07:38
Concern that I have is there's a considerable foot traffic as you can see through these fragile dune areas. 00:07:41
This area was. 00:07:50
Developed as part of a coastal development permit that allowed a lot of work to happen in the Asilomar dunes. 00:07:53
And Sylmar State Beach Conference Center Grounds And this. 00:07:58
Umm. 00:08:02
Area in the great tide pools was part of the mitigation that was. 00:08:03
Granted during that CDP. 00:08:07
And there there was a plan that was submitted to the city in May of 2013 and. 00:08:11
At a minimum, the plan was to demonstrate that they would protect the restoration area and avoid volunteer trails across the site. 00:08:17
And quite frankly, that's not happening and this is part of our coastal development permit. 00:08:26
And then the other issue that I have. 00:08:32
Strong feelings about his restoration shall be premised on enhancing dune habitat so that self functioning. 00:08:35
High quality dune habitat in perpetuity. 00:08:41
I don't see that happening if we don't protect this. 00:08:44
Umm. 00:08:48
It. 00:08:49
Appears that the CDP requirements are not outlined above. 00:08:50
Aren't followed by the city, as evidenced by the lack of continuous protection for fragile dunes and biologic areas. 00:08:54
And there also appears to be a rather blatant disregard for pedestrian safety on the great tide pool. 00:09:01
Coastal path. 00:09:07
Simple medications such as post and cable fencing, signage and a potential breakaway stair structure could be utilized. 00:09:10
And long term mitigation should include consideration of rerouting these coastal paths. 00:09:18
And viewing platforms due to coastal storm hazards. Thank you. 00:09:24
Mr. Chair, this is City Attorney Brian Perry. My recommendation would be that if the Commission wants to address any of the 00:09:29
concerns that were just expressed, is that you put this on a future council agenda. 00:09:36
Umm. 00:09:44
So there can't really be any discussion about it tonight. 00:09:45
But if you wanted to put it on a future agenda, you could do that. 00:09:48
We plan to do that for this agenda, however we. 00:09:52
Couldn't do that because of the lack of proper noticing, but thank you, we do plan to do that and I appreciate that. 00:09:56
And then the one. 00:10:04
Last question that I had is in regards to the board standing committees, joint working group. I have no idea what that is and I'm. 00:10:07
Hoping Miss Wyatt will be able to elucidate what that is. Thank you. Those are the end of my comments. 00:10:17
Thank you. 00:10:24
Are there any other comments? 00:10:25
From Commissioners. 00:10:27
If not, I just have a couple. 00:10:30
First, on July 13th, our last meeting, we approved coastal development permit. 00:10:33
22-0318 multiple locations in the coastal zone and you should know that that matter has been appealed to the. 00:10:38
City Council. 00:10:46
Other actions we took on July 13th stand. 00:10:48
At least at the local level stand they stand. 00:10:53
Including architectural and coastal development permit. 00:10:57
CDP for 100 Asilomar. 00:11:00
And architectural and use permit for 1060 Jewel Ave. 00:11:03
And denial of coastal development permit for pints on the peninsula. 00:11:07
And so I I would just repeat that a comment made by Commissioner Sawyer that next month's agenda could possibly have. 00:11:14
Recommendation of the City Council on the disposition of the matter she discussed about the Great Tide Pool. 00:11:25
Are there any staff announcements Director Wyatt or Mr. Campbell? 00:11:31
I'd be happy to address Commissioner Sawyers question about the the Joint Commission's working group. 00:11:37
It's. Please, please, please. 00:11:45
That is, Chief Madalone has put together had the idea to have one volunteer for each board and Commission. 00:11:48
To get together at their time. 00:11:57
And. 00:12:00
We have. 00:12:02
We we have given it or presented it to a number of boards so far. One of the reasons we didn't this time around is there are a lot 00:12:04
of questions that have been coming up from boards. 00:12:09
And commissions as we go through it. 00:12:14
And So what we're going to do is we're going to try to have the chief come and and. 00:12:17
Let you know what. 00:12:22
Her plan was for this Joint Commission's working group. It's meant to be. 00:12:23
Staff free. It will be only one volunteer per per group. It's not a decision making board, but it's meant for communication 00:12:30
purposes only. 00:12:34
OK. That's good. Thank you. Thank you. 00:12:41
Tonight. 00:12:45
And I think I heard his voice previously. We have Brian Perik, our legal counsel. 00:12:46
I think he's here. Do you have any announcements? 00:12:51
I'm just getting my mute button off there now. I have no announcements on this evening. Thank you, Mr. Chair. 00:12:57
All right, we come now to. 00:13:06
Council liaison announcements. Council member Coletti, do you have any announcements? Thank you, Chair, and greetings to all on 00:13:09
the Planning Commission. 00:13:13
I do have a couple of items I'd like to report regarding our August 2nd Council meeting. 00:13:17
We did a first read of our Accessory Dwelling Unit Ordinance which came before Planning Commission previously. 00:13:24
And we also another item we also selected Rincon. 00:13:32
As the contractor for our focus general plan update. 00:13:38
They will be the consultant, the lead consultant, I should say. 00:13:43
And we chose to kind of do it all apart, so. 00:13:47
We there were two phases that were presented. 00:13:51
As options to council, we chose to pursue phase one initially. 00:13:54
And there are four principal components of phase one. 00:13:59
Zoning, Ordinance and Map amendments. 00:14:04
Is 1 objective design and development standards. Site development is a second. 00:14:07
And general plan land use element consistency updates. 00:14:14
And then finally a program EIR which would be amended later. 00:14:19
Based on some of the work that would happen in phase two. 00:14:23
The contract will run through the end of fiscal year 2425. 00:14:27
As you know, we are expecting soon. It was also reported at the same Council meeting by Rincon that they had submitted their 00:14:31
administrative draft. 00:14:36
Of the housing element to staff. 00:14:40
So we're expecting to see that soon. 00:14:43
And hopefully we can. 00:14:45
We can get started on on getting that adopted and certified and then getting going with our general plan updates. 00:14:48
That will be necessary to get. 00:14:56
The housing element implemented. 00:14:58
And finally, last point, we appointed City Council, appointed Tory Hanna as our city manager pro temporary. 00:15:00
With hiring authority, effective immediately. 00:15:09
And so we have a new city manager acting as a manager pro temporary. 00:15:12
And other than that? 00:15:19
That's about it. 00:15:21
Have a good meeting. 00:15:22
Alright, well, thank you. 00:15:23
We now come to item 5 on the agenda, general public comment. 00:15:26
General public comment must deal with matters subject to the jurisdiction of the City. 00:15:31
And the Planning Commission, but are not on the agenda this evening. 00:15:35
This is also an appropriate time to comment on items in the consent agenda. 00:15:39
But only if the speaker does not wish to have the item pulled for consideration by this Commission. 00:15:43
Comments from the public will be limited to 3 minutes per speaker and will not receive Commission action. 00:15:49
Comments regarding an item on the agenda will be heard later, at the time of the Commission's consideration of that item. 00:15:56
Before we continue, I believe there are several letters and emails in our agenda packet. 00:16:03
They are mainly included in the. 00:16:08
A relative subject. 00:16:12
In the packet. 00:16:14
Our administrative technician, Debbie Gonzales, also keeps a copy of all communications. 00:16:15
Of our Commission in a binder in our office, So that's always available. 00:16:22
So would anyone like to address the Commission on matters not on the agenda? 00:16:27
Welcome. 00:16:37
My name is Vince Tuminello. 00:16:44
And I'm here tonight to make a general. 00:16:47
Oral communication. 00:16:50
About some activity that's taking place in a non official capacity. 00:16:52
By a group of resident neighbors. 00:16:57
Not only here in Pacific Grove, but around the state. 00:17:00
And we've had some meetings at Casually in a non official capacity with residents of Carmel. 00:17:04
Who are much more organized. 00:17:12
Then the residents of Pacific Grove and many times remain quiet and and don't choose to participate in Planning Commission, City 00:17:15
Council or other meetings. 00:17:20
And my topic tonight is to alert you. 00:17:26
That there is an organization which is doing wonderful work. 00:17:29
Called Our Neighborhood Voices and they have a website Our Neighborhood Voices. 00:17:33
Dot com spelled just like it is one word our And what's the issue? I wish to talk about this group among 00:17:39
local residents and residents from other communities. 00:17:45
Has the objective to do our best to have a completed initiative. 00:17:52
Which will block. 00:17:59
The mandate by the state which is imposing on Pacific Grove to override. 00:18:01
Many of our local ordinances zoning, water, sewage and other. 00:18:07
Operations that take place in the city. 00:18:12
And to force us as a city. 00:18:14
And to you, we'll be participating in the procedures of developing this policy. 00:18:17
If you're allowed by the state and to the extent that you're allowed by the state, and we find this to be abhorrent. 00:18:22
Many of our local residents are not fully informed as to what it's all about. 00:18:29
So I want to refer you as individuals, you as commissioners and everyone in the city. 00:18:33
That they need to take a look on the Internet at our who's putting together an initiative? 00:18:40
To block and void the state mandate. 00:18:48
Which? 00:18:53
Is taking control of the development of the city away from city. 00:18:54
And putting it in the hands of the state. 00:18:59
Overriding many of the things we've become accustomed to, like planning that would involve consideration of our character, our 00:19:01
resources, and our ability to provide for any further development. Now you may have heard that as a casual way. 00:19:10
That the state is mandating that the City of Pacific Grove provide 1200. 00:19:20
New units and this is under the illusion that these are going to be low and affordable income units and that's really not the 00:19:26
import that's taking place here, the numbers that came up with this 1100. 00:19:33
A new unit concept was originally developed by a subcommittee of Ambac. 00:19:40
The Association of Monterey Bay. 00:19:46
A MB A/C Association of Monterey Bay Governments and in at that time. This is several decades ago. They're subcommittee. 00:19:49
Worked to develop what they thought was going to be necessary in the future and they came up with this number of 1100. It was not 00:19:59
a unanimous vote. Many of the. 00:20:04
Participants in that committee found a lot of disdain for that recommendation. So if you, as a local member of the community or as 00:20:09
a body as a commissioner, find that, it's very unreasonable for the state to come down and force us. 00:20:17
To build 1100 new units without any consideration for the quality of life, the parking, the sewage, the water. 00:20:26
The architectural design and so forth. I encourage all of you to visit the website Our Neighborhood Voices. 00:20:35
And when that. 00:20:42
Referendum is presented to you that you would support it as a body, as an individual resident. 00:20:44
And that we could gather signatures to put this on the ballot. 00:20:49
So that the residents can stop this ridiculous mandate to overbuild. 00:20:53
Without local control in the city of Pacific Grove. Thank you so much. Thank you. 00:20:59
Is there anyone else? 00:21:05
Welcome. 00:21:09
Good evening, planning commissioners. My name is Adam Pinterest. I'm the government and community affairs director for the 00:21:16
Monterey County Association of Realtors. 00:21:19
And I'm addressing item agenda, item 6A on the consent agenda. I do not want it pulled. 00:21:23
I just want to appreciate staff for putting together a very thorough report and gathering information on this subject. I look 00:21:29
forward to learning more. In other jurisdictions, community land trusts have proven an effective and creative way. 00:21:34
For creating more affordable housing, which has been identified as a clear need and challenge for this community. 00:21:40
And so I look forward to learning more and I hope the Commission proceeds with this in a thoughtful manner with an emphasis on 00:21:46
housing. Thank you. 00:21:49
Thank you. 00:21:53
Is there anybody virtually Mr. Campbell, who would like to speak? 00:21:56
Ohh. I'm sorry. Please come ahead. 00:22:01
Didn't see you. 00:22:03
Welcome. 00:22:09
This is Judy Cole. I'm a resident of Pacific Grove. 00:22:13
And I want to personally thank Commissioner Sawyer, and I believe it's Navinsky and. 00:22:17
Ohh, I'm sorry. Thank you. 00:22:25
Magic button some here. 00:22:27
I don't know. 00:22:29
It's on, you just talk into it. 00:22:30
Yeah, but you need this. If I do this right, so the the wrong time. OK, backing up just a little bit. First of all, my name is 00:22:34
Judy Cole. I am a resident of Pacific Girl and I'd like to personally thank. 00:22:40
Uh, the Story Poll committee for moving forward in such an expedient manner, I didn't realize you would be on the agenda because 00:22:47
it was an agenda. Aize. 00:22:53
But I appreciate the update and one of the reasons I appreciate the update is that the story polls can have a significant effect 00:22:58
on properties here in PG and currently there's a property that has a. 00:23:06
A lot of story polls up that then they blow down in the wind. And so I've been looking at it closely and realize that so many 00:23:13
people in the community may not have seen the story polls that were placed and what criteria was being used to place the story 00:23:21
poles. But to me, from what Commissioner Sawyer said today, they're doing an extensive researching of this project and looking 00:23:29
into certification. 00:23:37
For example, using someone. 00:23:44
I would assume would be a civil engineer type company to establish that the height of the poles etcetera. So I think you're on the 00:23:47
right track. 00:23:52
And I want to thank you very much. And I think there's it's, is it Mr. Commissioner Cooper? Yes, thank you. 00:23:57
That's it. 00:24:06
Thank you. Thank you. 00:24:07
Thanks. 00:24:09
Is there anyone else in the audience who would like to speak? 00:24:13
If not, is there anybody on the Zoom or whatever we call it, Mr. 00:24:17
Campbell, We have Mike Gibbs. 00:24:23
I believe he did raise his hand. 00:24:26
Welcome. 00:24:28
Good evening, Planning Commission Chairman Lily and everybody else else. Appreciate your service. 00:24:32
This is Mike Gibbs. I'm a member of the Pacific Grove Economic Development. 00:24:38
Commission. I'm here talking on my own behalf. 00:24:43
And I would like to 2nd Mr. Tuminello's remarks about Neighborhood Voices. If you haven't seen it, go to it. 00:24:46
And they're they're building a referendum to put on a state ballot in the next election. It's critical that you vote to overturn 00:24:53
the state mandate. However, I'm here to talk about something else. The Economic Development Commission for Pacific Grove is 00:24:58
beginning a. 00:25:03
Long and probably arduous journey to. 00:25:08
Help but think about what the strategic, economic, strategic goals are for the city. 00:25:11
And I would encourage everybody to attend Economic Development Commission meetings. The next one is September the 7th. 00:25:17
Ohh, that's a Thursday 1st Thursday at 4:00 PM and basically the, you know, the broadview is to make Pacific Grove one of the most 00:25:24
wonderful and unique cities in the world. Even better. 00:25:29
A place to live, workshop and visit. 00:25:35
And part of the research for this and this, I think the Planning Commission will be interested in this. 00:25:39
There have been a number of studies about cities in the category of Pacific Grove. 00:25:44
You know great little places to live and work and visit. 00:25:49
And it turns out there's a list of seven things that make it a really. 00:25:52
A great thing, and I think we're going to try to. 00:25:56
Focus on these as they are in in our planning process. 00:25:59
The first is a greater awareness of local entrepreneurship. 00:26:03
And how do we support it as a city? 00:26:06
#2 Working with local community colleges like Hartnell, MPC and. 00:26:09
And others to encourage entrepreneurship. 00:26:15
As a career path. 00:26:18
#3 Success Item number 3 for these great vibrant cities train young people and skills that major employers. 00:26:20
And use and demand. 00:26:27
Unique item number four is focus on unique innovative industries and we have a couple here in a mini here in Pacific Grove that we 00:26:30
need to continue and grow. 00:26:35
Success factor #5 is really pay attention to refine the central value proposition. There'll be a lot of discussion. 00:26:40
About what that value proposition is specifically, what makes it such a great place, and there's a variety of issues. 00:26:47
But I think among the things that the features that we have is the 4 miles of shoreline between us, a Solimar and the aquarium. 00:26:54
We have the lighthouse, which is one of the oldest functioning in in the United States. We have a wonderful museum. 00:27:01
We have the only Carnegie library left in Monterey County. Don't know if you knew that. 00:27:08
And who doesn't play golf, or at least like to go out and walk on the golf course? What a great place. 00:27:13
Item number six is just recognizing importance of arts and museums. 00:27:18
In Pacific Grove and item number seven for success. 00:27:22
Is to constantly evaluate this portfolio of assets. 00:27:25
These features that people love. 00:27:29
About Pacific Grove and keep them up on the front and advertise and market the heck out of those things when we get a chance. So 00:27:31
Planning Commission, you have a lot of work ahead of you. I appreciate your time and thank you for all being here. 00:27:37
Thank you. 00:27:44
England, Lawrence and Dahmer welcome. 00:27:49
Thank you. 00:27:55
I would have expected a planner, Campbell. 00:27:57
To have corrected his minutes and issued an errata sheet. 00:28:02
Which they were very much an omission, and I wrote a letter to the Planning Commission and to him. 00:28:06
And that didn't happen. 00:28:13
And. 00:28:16
We have. 00:28:17
Small enough action minutes. 00:28:19
That it, they need to be accurate. 00:28:24
Transparent. 00:28:27
And in as much detail as action minutes. 00:28:29
Can give. 00:28:33
Which includes public comment. 00:28:34
Unfortunately, I'm kind of noticing that. 00:28:37
That his omissions on the minutes have happened on. 00:28:40
Items that the Planning Commission did not agree with the staff recommendation. 00:28:45
And on items that unfortunately I'm going to take this personally that I have commented. 00:28:50
Adversely on. 00:28:57
And I will want to pull. 00:28:58
The July 13th. 00:29:02
Minutes. 00:29:05
As they have not been corrected on the consent agenda. 00:29:06
And I just want to. 00:29:10
Reiterate. 00:29:13
That we need. 00:29:14
Detailed transparency and accuracy. 00:29:16
And. 00:29:21
That has to happen and we don't know what's going to turn up of Ohh. Well, we corrected them. Well, what does? We corrected them. 00:29:22
Mean. 00:29:30
So I would like to know and I'd like to encourage you. 00:29:31
To follow up on this. 00:29:35
And thank you. 00:29:38
Commissioner Sawyer for the lovely. 00:29:40
Story Polls Subcommittee. 00:29:43
Update which was impromptu and and much appreciated because this is something that. 00:29:48
Is just it's it's a wonderful way to move forward. 00:29:54
In all those ways, thank you very much. 00:29:59
Thank you. 00:30:03
We have Tony Chiani. 00:30:06
Welcome. 00:30:08
Good evening, Commissioners staff. 00:30:12
Agenda item 5A. 00:30:15
About public comment as big. 00:30:18
Despite what was said earlier. 00:30:21
The recommended action. 00:30:23
Is to receive correspondence. 00:30:25
But it is unclear what correspondence, if any. 00:30:28
The commissioners. 00:30:31
It's not published. 00:30:33
Not only should the Commissioners know. 00:30:35
For sure. 00:30:37
What public comments were sent? 00:30:39
So should the general public. 00:30:42
On a separate item. 00:30:45
The Environmental Enhancement Fund has been part of the city's annual budget. 00:30:47
For many years. 00:30:52
The funding sources appear to. 00:30:53
Reflect grants. 00:30:55
Or private contributions. 00:30:56
Or environmental mitigation funds. 00:30:59
I believe there should be a clear and simple accounting. 00:31:03
Of the funds income. 00:31:07
And expenses? 00:31:09
As money in, money out. 00:31:10
Where it comes from? 00:31:14
And where it's spent. 00:31:16
I also believe the Planning Commission. 00:31:19
Should be responsible for that fund. 00:31:22
Including a Citizens Advisory committee. 00:31:25
And I recommend. 00:31:28
That it should be codified. 00:31:30
With a mission based. 00:31:32
On the General plan. 00:31:34
And local coastal programs, conservation policies and goals. 00:31:36
Not as a public. 00:31:42
Uh. 00:31:44
Uh. 00:31:45
Public works Capital funding source. 00:31:46
#3 00:31:50
I'm concerned about. 00:31:52
The Environmental Quality of Crespi Pond. 00:31:54
And the surrounding wetlands. 00:31:57
I believe the Planning Commission. 00:31:59
Should take the leadership. 00:32:01
For the protection and restoration. 00:32:02
Of the Crispy Pond wetland. 00:32:04
Frankly. 00:32:07
I believe the Public Works Department. 00:32:08
Has a difficult role when it comes to managing. 00:32:11
The city's natural resources. 00:32:14
Or belt resources. 00:32:16
Like the state of California. 00:32:18
Parks and Recreation Department. 00:32:20
PG. 00:32:23
Should consider. 00:32:24
Some a similar mission. 00:32:26
The California mission is. 00:32:28
To provide. 00:32:30
For. 00:32:31
This is a quote to provide for the help. 00:32:32
Inspiration. 00:32:35
Education. 00:32:36
Of the people of California. 00:32:38
By helping preserve the states. 00:32:40
Extraordinary biological diversity. 00:32:42
Protecting its most valued natural and cultural resources and creating opportunities. 00:32:46
For high quality outdoor recommendation. 00:32:52
But Solamar State Park is a good example for that. 00:32:55
Nevertheless. 00:32:59
Crispy pond requires A conservation plan. 00:33:00
To improve its ecology. 00:33:04
And overall health? 00:33:06
Please do that. Thank you. 00:33:08
Thank you. 00:33:10
David O'Neill, welcome. 00:33:16
I'm speaking to you tonight is a local, full-time Peninsula resident. 00:33:22
I also serve on the board of the. 00:33:26
Carmel Residents Association and volunteer for Meals on Wheels and with the Colonel Police Department. 00:33:28
I'd like to affirm the previous comment regarding our neighborhood voices. 00:33:34
I belong to a strong group in Carmel by the Sea who support our neighbourhood voices as well. 00:33:38
Today I noticed that the World Atlas named Pacific Grove and Carmel, two of the seven most beautiful towns in California. 00:33:44
Unfortunately, some developers have been working hard to disguise their greens. 00:33:53
Behind the roots of affordable housing. 00:33:57
And taking away local rights in the process. 00:34:00
The state constitution gives municipalities the right to govern their own development. 00:34:03
But now we can't stop developers from building whatever they want. 00:34:08
Wherever they want. 00:34:12
Without even contributing to new transit. 00:34:13
Parkings Boulder Rd. 00:34:16
What will our communities look like if developers are allowed to do as they please? 00:34:18
If the state is allowed to control this. 00:34:24
What else will they try to control? 00:34:26
All of this is justified because our population is supposedly going to explode. 00:34:29
But the California State auditor? 00:34:35
Found that the outrageous population projections were based on false data. 00:34:37
Now, affordable housing is important. 00:34:42
But we can't turn our local planning over to private profiteers. 00:34:45
We are required to fulfill our plan for the housing element to avoid state penalties without developers from enacting the builders 00:34:50
remedy to build without any restrictions. 00:34:55
But I ask you to alter protect your community by joining our Neighborhood Voices. 00:35:00
It's a coalition of thousands of California neighborhood leaders. 00:35:05
Creating an initiative to be put on the 24 ballot. 00:35:08
If reported by activists. 00:35:11
Person. 00:35:13
Content politicians and nonprofits. 00:35:14
All trying to put local power back in your hands. 00:35:17
In the hand of local citizens. 00:35:21
Who love their communities and want the best for them. 00:35:24
Thank you all for your service. 00:35:27
Thank you. 00:35:30
We have Marsha. OK, welcome Marsha. 00:35:34
Thank you, Mr. Chair. 00:35:39
Apologize. 00:35:43
I just lost that Marsha. 00:35:45
Jumping around, there we go. 00:35:49
Are you there? Yes. 00:35:52
Thank you, Mr. Chair and Commissioners. 00:35:54
I want to echo the comments, the eloquent comments made by Mr. Tim Monello. 00:35:59
Mr. O'Neill. 00:36:07
And Mr. Gibbs, regarding our neighborhood. 00:36:08
Voices, I think it's it's very important, particularly in PG, a charter city. 00:36:12
To. 00:36:20
To fight for. 00:36:23
Local land use. 00:36:25
Central planning never works. 00:36:29
The Soviet Union is a perfect example of the failures of. 00:36:32
Of central planning. 00:36:38
I hope. 00:36:40
People who are zooming this meeting and yourselves. 00:36:42
Will look into. 00:36:47
The website. 00:36:49
And uh. 00:36:50
And in terms of. 00:36:52
Affordable housing. 00:36:55
As others have noted, it seems like it's. 00:36:58
Motherhood and apple pie. 00:37:03
Kind of front. 00:37:05
For. 00:37:08
You know developers. 00:37:10
And trade unions and their Initially it was to be. 00:37:11
Implemented because of growing populations and massive new jobs? Well, that's turned out to be false. 00:37:20
And and though. 00:37:29
Affordable housing may be needed. 00:37:31
On a on a More. 00:37:34
Reduced level. 00:37:36
We have to keep in mind that any time we take grants from the state. 00:37:39
It means we have to play by the states rules. 00:37:44
And so local. 00:37:47
People may not be eligible. May not act, They'll be eligible. 00:37:49
But. 00:37:54
Typically what will happen is that. 00:37:55
Anyone can apply for affordable housing who resides in California, and then there'll be a lottery. 00:37:58
And. 00:38:06
So I think people are misled. 00:38:07
By. 00:38:11
You know, the possibility of actually being able to get into the affordable housing in PG just because you're a longtime resident. 00:38:12
So I think it's really important to return. 00:38:22
Local. 00:38:26
Our power to our local representatives and boards. 00:38:27
And commissions like yourselves. 00:38:32
Thank you very much. 00:38:34
Thank you. 00:38:37
We have Lisa Chiani. 00:38:41
Welcome. 00:38:43
Thank you. 00:38:46
I just want to add to the expressions of appreciation for Commissioner Sawyers update on the story poll. 00:38:48
Ordinance because. 00:38:59
That's it's been a long time coming and and it's so very needed. So it's it's good to hear about the progress with that and. 00:39:00
And I also want to express appreciation for her. 00:39:11
Continued. 00:39:17
Attention to this situation at the Great Tide Pool Restoration trail restoration area and trail it. It's really shameful that the 00:39:21
city has let this go on for seven months. The the. 00:39:30
Public public safety issue there. 00:39:38
Commissioner Sawyer pointed out not only. 00:39:42
Now now we're back to rebar sticking out but. 00:39:46
No warning that that. 00:39:51
That nice DG trail that starts out from the South side of or yeah, South side of the Great Tide pool. 00:39:54
And goes goes along. 00:40:02
There's no warning that it abruptly is going to drop off. 00:40:03
Umm. 00:40:07
So. 00:40:07
It it's just hard to understand. 00:40:09
How this could go on for seven months and then furthermore the the failure to just put back up? 00:40:12
The rod and cable fencing to protect the dune restoration and the endangered species. 00:40:21
In our local coastal program. 00:40:31
Staff when that was being developed. 00:40:34
Really didn't want to protect anything more than endangered species and here we're not even protecting those. There will be 00:40:37
something done about this in the in the wildlife protection. 00:40:44
Amendments that are being proposed. 00:40:53
For our LCP. 00:40:55
But in any case. 00:40:57
I know it's you. You've said now it's going to be on your next agenda. 00:41:00
But it shouldn't even be waiting for that. 00:41:05
Public works should be on that. 00:41:08
Right now. 00:41:10
And I, if we don't have a provision for that in our LCP, we really need to do something about that fast. 00:41:11
Alright, thank you. 00:41:20
Thank you. 00:41:22
You know, further questions online. 00:41:25
OK. Thank you. Then I will. 00:41:27
Close that item or we'll move on to the consent agenda. 00:41:30
The consent agenda deals with routine and non controversial matters. 00:41:33
May include actions on resolutions or ordinances. 00:41:38
And other public hearings for which testimony is not anticipated. 00:41:41
We have 4 items on the consent agenda this evening. 00:41:46
The first two items are for information only under item 6A. 00:41:50
Is web links about community land trusts that I? 00:41:56
Came across and. 00:42:00
Requested and. 00:42:02
Director Wyatt was gracious enough to put this. 00:42:04
Information on the agenda for information. 00:42:07
Perhaps we will consider that when we get into the housing development element. 00:42:11
Discussion in October. 00:42:17
Under Item 6B is an updated Planning Commission 2023 Work Plan, which. 00:42:19
We update every month. 00:42:24
The third item 7A is minutes from our June 8th, 2023 meeting. 00:42:26
And the 4th is minutes as well. Item 7B minutes from our July 13th, 2023 meeting. 00:42:31
Both the minutes require some action or something along those lines I suppose. 00:42:38
So would any. 00:42:44
Commissioner would like to remove any of these items from the consent agenda. Commissioner Sawyer. 00:42:46
I would like to pull and continue. 00:42:53
7A and 7B until. 00:42:58
September or October until they are corrected. 00:43:02
OK. Those two items are pulled. 00:43:06
Does it? 00:43:10
Is there any other polling from the Consent agenda? Vice Chair Murphy? 00:43:10
If I could ask Commissioner Sawyer. 00:43:16
I I think under our rules. 00:43:19
You know, minor, straightforward connections, corrections to the minutes. 00:43:23
And could. 00:43:28
Could be done now. 00:43:29
And I wonder if. 00:43:32
It makes sense to try to do that. 00:43:35
These are not minor corrections. 00:43:37
Right. 00:43:42
Any other? 00:43:44
Commissioner, wish to pull it. 00:43:46
One of the two remaining items. 00:43:48
All right. Would any staff member like to remove either of the remaining two items? 00:43:51
OK. 00:43:57
Would any member of the audience? 00:43:58
Either in person or remotely. 00:44:00
Like to remove either other. 00:44:02
Either of the two items remaining meaning on the consent agenda. 00:44:05
Hearing none, it looks like we have. 00:44:10
Lisa Chang, Sorry and up. 00:44:14
I didn't see the hand. Ohh, there's three hands. Ohh my. 00:44:16
Lisa Chiani. 00:44:23
Yeah. 00:44:25
I'm muted. 00:44:26
Can you hear me? 00:44:28
Yes. 00:44:30
Ohh OK I wanted to pull 6A. 00:44:31
Six day, all right. 00:44:35
We have intolerance and Dumber. 00:44:39
I just wanted to make very certain that 7B is pulled. 00:44:44
Thank you very much. 00:44:49
Thank you. 00:44:51
That looks to be it. 00:44:55
All right. So the only item remaining on the consent agenda is the Planning Commission 2023 Work plan. 00:44:58
So may I have a motion to approve the one item on the consent agenda? 00:45:06
I move that we. 00:45:12
Approve item. 00:45:13
6B The only item remaining on the consent agenda so that the motion by Vice Chair Murphy is to approve the consent agenda with. 00:45:15
Item 6B Or second to that motion. 00:45:23
And Commissioner Dzinski seconded that motion. 00:45:27
Is there any further discussion? 00:45:30
OK. 00:45:34
If not, Mr. Campbell, would you please call the roll? 00:45:35
Vice Chair Murphy. 00:45:39
Aye. 00:45:41
Chairman Izinski. 00:45:43
Aye, chair Lily. 00:45:44
Commissioner Sawyer. 00:45:48
Aye. 00:45:49
Commissioner Davison. 00:45:49
Aye. 00:45:51
Commissioner Kubica. 00:45:52
We have six eyes, 0 nays and one absent. The motion passes. 00:45:54
All right. Let me raise a point of order. Well, first of all, let me reiterate. 00:46:01
Mr. Campbell's comment that the motion passed. 00:46:07
6. 00:46:11
To zero with one absence. 00:46:13
That means there are four three items pulled from the consent agenda. 00:46:16
I believe that was. 00:46:20
6A7A and 7B. 00:46:21
Do we need this may be a question for legal counsel. Do we need to? 00:46:26
Pass a motion on 7A and B because. 00:46:31
Commissioners Sawyer. 00:46:36
In her comments said that they should be removed and continued. 00:46:38
Until a later meeting. So do we need to pass a motion to that effect or is that just? 00:46:42
What do we do? 00:46:48
Well, it depends on what the Commission wants to do. 00:46:50
Would be a motion, I suppose, that could be made. 00:46:55
To continue those items. 00:46:59
To a future meeting, either a date certain or to be determined. 00:47:01
And then you could vote on that motion and if that motion fails, then you would consider them tonight. 00:47:05
All right. 00:47:12
So they have been removed. As far as as Item 6A, I I would just talk at that. 00:47:13
Further down in the agenda, I think that's just a a matter of discussion and doesn't need any action on it. 00:47:19
But 7A and B appear that they may, and that's why I asked the question. 00:47:25
So I would last like to ask what the pleasure of the Commission is regarding that Commissioner Sawyer. 00:47:30
You pulled them. Do you have a a motion or a comment or something? 00:47:35
I would like to make a motion to pull and continue. 00:47:40
The minutes for June 8th and the minutes for July 13th until. 00:47:45
They are corrected and I'm hoping that we can get that done by September. 00:47:51
And that would be September 14th. 00:47:59
Correct. So would you like to make that part of your motion that they be? 00:48:01
Corrected and presented for approval by September 14th, the 7th or on the September 14th meeting. I'll amend that. It's a friendly 00:48:06
amendment and I accept it. Thank you. So the motion then is to continue item 7A and 7B to September 14th. 00:48:15
The the those are minutes that would be corrected. Is there a second to that motion? 00:48:24
Seconded by Mr. or Commissioner Kubica. 00:48:29
So is there discussion on this matter? 00:48:33
Vice Chair Murphy. 00:48:37
8. 00:48:39
I guess I wonder how this correction will miraculously happen. 00:48:40
And I would ask again. 00:48:44
Umm. 00:48:46
Whether this is something we could just hand off tonight rather than putting it off. 00:48:48
Do you want me to get started on all the corrections that need to be done on each of them? They're pretty major. 00:48:52
They're not insignificant if we if we don't. 00:49:00
And and I would be more than happy to work with the staff to help correct these because I have written an e-mail. 00:49:03
Last month correcting the one and it did not happen. 00:49:11
Because we have some major omissions. 00:49:17
And corrections. 00:49:20
OK. Thank you. 00:49:23
OK, is there any other discussion? I I I suppose this becomes a question again as I say my favorite words have become what is the 00:49:24
pleasure of the Commission regarding this? 00:49:28
It sounds like. 00:49:33
Commissioner Sawyer. 00:49:35
Is ready, willing and able to work with staff to. 00:49:37
I'll insert my impression quickly. 00:49:40
Make these changes so that they can be docketed and brought forward to us and so that there's no further delay. 00:49:43
Because I don't. 00:49:49
Like that there's. 00:49:50
Delay. 00:49:51
And these minutes. But they have to be accurate too. 00:49:52
So. 00:49:55
If if there's no further discussion, then I I think we have a motion on the floor. It was and it was seconded by. 00:49:57
Mr. 00:50:04
By Commissioner Kubica, So we have a motion on the floor. 00:50:06
Do you have further comment? 00:50:10
And at the risk of putting. 00:50:13
Staff on the spot. 00:50:15
Is what, Commissioner? 00:50:18
Sorry is proposing. 00:50:20
Does that make sense to you guys? 00:50:24
As long as I I think one of the. 00:50:28
Responses that I've given both to. 00:50:33
Chair Lillian, Commissioner. 00:50:36
Sawyer. Is that as long as? 00:50:38
Are corrections. 00:50:41
Are in line with action minutes. 00:50:43
I think one of the things that's very important to recognize. 00:50:46
Is that we are now mirroring what the City Council does with their minutes. 00:50:49
And. 00:50:54
Giving in a little bit more so the only things that really could be. 00:50:56
And a little bit more. 00:51:01
The votes. 00:51:02
No, in June the order of the Minutes is incorrect. 00:51:04
There's multiple multiple issues. 00:51:10
And I would be more than happy to sit down and talk with you and we can correct it. It won't take very long. If you sending me the 00:51:13
corrections, I'll sit down with the clerk, the city clerk and we'll we'll go over them with her because I I have sent them to you 00:51:18
previously and they were not corrected. 00:51:23
And that's the concern. 00:51:29
I just want our minutes to be correct and again, I I just want to make sure that what? 00:51:30
Is being asked is appropriate for these wasn't about action minutes, it was about the order in which things were heard. 00:51:35
Yeah. 00:51:45
Send that to you. 00:51:47
Sure. Thank you. Thank you at this point. 00:51:48
People in. 00:51:52
Involved with this and made their point. So if there's no further discussion then Mr. Campbell, can you please call the roll? 00:51:53
Yes, we have, Commissioner Sawyer. 00:52:05
Aye. 00:52:08
Sure, Kubica. 00:52:10
Sorry, chair, Chair, Commissioner Sawyer, Commissioner Kubrick, sorry about that. 00:52:11
Commissioner Nijinsky. 00:52:20
Aye. 00:52:21
Point of order. How did Commissioner Kubica voted? He voted. Aye. Ohh. He did. I'm sorry. Yeah. 00:52:22
Commissioner Davison. 00:52:29
Aye. 00:52:31
Chair Murphy. 00:52:33
Sure Sawyer, Lily. Sorry. 00:52:36
All over the place. 00:52:40
With Six Eyes 0 nays 1. Absent the motion to continue the minutes from July or June 8th and July 13th. 00:52:43
To September 14th passes. 00:52:53
OK. 00:52:55
Then the motion, as Mr. Campbell said, passes and I look forward to that being on our agenda. 00:52:56
Properly corrected on September 14th. 00:53:03
That means then that Item 6A I will put down under item. 00:53:09
Let me see if I can get this straight. 00:53:15
I believe that would be 7B. 00:53:17
Hmm. 00:53:20
Order that would still be on consent. 00:53:21
88B8B, I'm sorry. OK, so that will be 8B. 00:53:24
All right. 00:53:32
So 6A becomes 8B. 00:53:33
We are now to the regular agenda. This evening we have. 00:53:40
The draft Cannabis Ordinance review. 00:53:44
And. 00:53:48
This is an item that. 00:53:50
Goes back to May 17th. 00:53:53
2023, when the City Council reviewed these ordinances. 00:53:55
Answered a number of questions posed by the staff. 00:54:01
But then referred both ordinances to the Planning Commission for review and comment. 00:54:05
And so we have this before us this evening. I also believe that staff has prepared. 00:54:11
An agenda? 00:54:17
Item for this I think it's. They have a. 00:54:19
PowerPoint. 00:54:25
They. 00:54:27
Staff without. 00:54:28
Stealing Mr. Campbell's Thunder, are you? Suppose he wants to present it? 00:54:30
Proposes that we look at. 00:54:34
Chiefly 3 issues and and certainly they are important issues. 00:54:36
I also myself went through both ordinances because of the mandate from the. 00:54:41
City Council and looked at both ordinances and came up with 10 pages of questions. 00:54:47
And I. 00:54:52
Structured them. 00:54:54
Along the lines of what? 00:54:55
Do you want to do not really take into position, but obviously saw? 00:54:57
Discrepancies or issues that needed to be addressed. 00:55:01
And that included the three items that are. 00:55:04
In the. 00:55:07
Staffs. 00:55:09
Report this evening as well. So with that, Mister Campbell, would you like to proceed with your presentation? And then we'll go 00:55:10
from there. 00:55:13
Well, thank you. 00:55:18
Chair, Lillian, Commissioners. 00:55:19
Back again before this is a Draft Cannabis Zoning Ordinance review. 00:55:23
Umm. 00:55:27
And as Chair Lily mentioned tonight, the review is to review the proposed draft Cannabis Zoning Ordinance and provide the 00:55:29
following recommendations focusing mainly on these three. 00:55:34
Uh. 00:55:40
With regards to zoning. 00:55:40
One which specific zones? 00:55:43
Should cannabis retailers be allowed? 00:55:45
To Should any additional separation requirements beyond the 1000 foot from schools, daycares and youth centers be recommended for 00:55:48
cannabis business? 00:55:52
And should additional parameters be considered on delivery only medicinal cannabis retailers beyond those limitations? 00:55:56
And the industrial commercial zones? 00:56:03
On December 7th, 2022, City Council directed the City Manager and City Attorney to create a Cannabis Licensing Program consistent 00:56:07
with voter approved Measure M. 00:56:12
On May 17th, 2023, the Draft Cannabis Ordinance was presented to City Council for concept review. 00:56:18
At that time, City Council directed the Planning Commission to review the proposed zoning ordinance to address cannibal cannabis 00:56:25
retail locations, potential separation requirements beyond the 1000 feet from schools, daycares and youth centers. 00:56:30
And additional limitations and requirements for delivery only medicinal cannabis retailers. 00:56:37
On June 8th, the Planning Commission of 2023, the Planning Commission began a discussion to address the City Council's request. 00:56:44
The Planning Commission requested additional maps to clarify zoning districts and a better map of the cannabis retail business 00:56:54
buffer zones, and it was continued to a later date. 00:56:58
On November 8th of 2022 is a little bit of background. Pacific Grove Voters approved Measure M&N at the general election. Measure 00:57:06
M was an advisory measure that posed the question should the Pacific Grove City Council be authorized to amend the Municipal Code 00:57:14
to allow retail sales of medical or recreational recreational cannabis limited to one single location within the city? 00:57:21
At a location no closer than 1000 feet from any existing licensed daycare, preschools, youth center and schools to engage in 00:57:29
commercial cannabis activities. 00:57:34
Measure N established the tax on cannabis businesses at the rate of 6% of gross receipts from the retail sale of cannabis. 00:57:39
Another important part to remember is that coming up in January 1st 2024 we have SB1186 which is medicinal medicinal cannabis 00:57:47
patients rights. 00:57:54
To Access Act. 00:58:00
Requires after January 1st, 2024, the California cities and counties be required to allow retail sale by delivery. 00:58:03
Of Canada of medicinal cannabis. And so that's. 00:58:11
Strictly medicinal and and delivery. 00:58:15
And this ordinance and ordinances that exist that prohibit or have the effect of prohibiting the establishment of. 00:58:18
Of physical premises from which Retail sale by delivery of medicinal. 00:58:24
Cannabis is conducted will be in violation of SB1186. 00:58:28
And so, in addition to the one storefront retail location Canton owned by Measure M, the proposed ordinance will allow for 00:58:33
cannabis retailers that. 00:58:37
Operate his delivery only and only engage in the sale of medicinal. 00:58:41
Cannabis. 00:58:46
And. 00:58:52
This. 00:58:53
The the again, the Planning Commission's consideration will be with. 00:58:55
Which specific zones? There's PC recommended retailers. 00:59:00
Should any additional separation requirements be recommended for cannabis business? 00:59:04
And should additional parameters be considered for delivery only retailers with no walk in businesses beyond limitations and 00:59:08
industrial commercial zones? 00:59:12
I'd like to. 00:59:17
At this point. 00:59:18
Invite. 00:59:20
The city attorney. 00:59:21
Brian Pierick and Erica Vega if they would like to comment on this at all. 00:59:24
Yes, thank you. Aaron, can you go back to the slides at the end where the the questions are presented and and and the 00:59:31
recommendations. So you did mention what the questions were. So perhaps you can collaborate a little bit on the slide that you've 00:59:37
got up now. 00:59:43
Sure. The which specific zones does the PC recommend retailers be allowed? 00:59:52
The staff recommended cannabis be allowed in the following zones that the. 00:59:59
Downtown. 01:00:03
Commercial. 01:00:04
Light commercial, Heavy commercial and Forest Hill commercial. 01:00:05
Does not recommend the C1T or the commercial Hotel condominium district. It would be pretty much restricted anyway by that 1000 01:00:10
foot buffer zone and the visitor commercial. And it's basically the Monterey Aquarium offices are already there, so it's not 01:00:17
likely that we would. 01:00:23
Umm. 01:00:31
Change that, use. 01:00:31
Do you want me to continue with those, Brian? 01:00:37
You know, we can do this one at a time. So it's just that when you went through the slides earlier, I don't know that you. 01:00:40
Elaborated on what the staff recommendation was. So then. 01:00:46
The second question is your next slide. 01:00:49
Should any additional separation requirements be recommended for a cannabis business? 01:00:52
We were looking at. 01:00:57
Other. 01:01:00
Potential institutions that that may benefit from that zone drug and alcohol rehabilitation facilities. The staff felt that that 01:01:01
it was important to separate. 01:01:06
Those facilities from Retail Cannabis. 01:01:12
High density residential. Both this actually. The next three have a lot more with public safety. 01:01:16
The safe parking program locations and beach locations that but all of these would basically increase they could increase police, 01:01:25
department and enforcement. 01:01:31
The latter being the closer to the the beach would be encouraging or? 01:01:37
When we. 01:01:43
Had a discussion with with members of the Police Department. They they felt that. 01:01:45
It would increase cannabis use on beaches and trails. So these four additional areas that we think would we would recommend some 01:01:52
degree of separation doesn't necessarily have to be that 1000 feet, but it could be to the pleasure of the of the Commission to 01:01:58
discuss that. 01:02:05
What may be appropriate for those those different? 01:02:13
Those different institutions. 01:02:17
The Should additional parameters be considered for delivery only retailers with no walk in business beyond limitations to 01:02:21
industrial commercial zones, we we recommended that. 01:02:25
Not. 01:02:32
To have the. 01:02:33
Delivery only in our commercial districts and to some degree I mean that we do have. 01:02:35
We do have things like storage facilities. 01:02:41
But these they? 01:02:43
They have preserved their storefronts and we would recommend not. 01:02:45
Ohh. 01:02:50
Directing them to our storefronts since they if they were delivery only and no foot traffic, we would want to for. 01:02:51
The preservation of our storefronts promoting foot traffic. 01:03:00
And promoting economic development, keep keep the delivery only of the medical medicinal cannabis. 01:03:03
Out of the commercial district. 01:03:12
So those are the three questions that that the staff is asking from the Commission, the other thing I wanted to mention. 01:03:14
Is that the scope of the review by the Planning Commission as requested by the City Council, as I understand it is for the zoning? 01:03:23
Ordinance, since that is within the scope of the Planning Commissions charge. 01:03:33
Whereas the other ordinance is the licensing ordinance, which is not a land use issue, it's a licensing issue. So. 01:03:40
That would not be one within the scope of the Planning Commission's charge. 01:03:48
So perhaps we should stop there for a moment, and. 01:03:54
Because I I know there may be some questions about the the scope of your review and we might want to. 01:03:58
Get that? 01:04:04
Out front before. 01:04:05
Put you on to the rest of the discussion. 01:04:07
Are you? Is your? 01:04:13
Presentation completed. Mr. Campbell, thank you. Before we proceed, let me briefly. 01:04:14
Review our rules this evening and then we can. 01:04:22
Get to. 01:04:24
Mr. Pierrie's comments. 01:04:26
After we. 01:04:28
Review the agenda reports and apparently review our charge. 01:04:31
I will then open the hearing for public comments. 01:04:37
Those wishing to speak speak will have 3 minutes each. 01:04:39
I will then close the hearing to further comment from the general public so that we can go through the draft ordinances. 01:04:43
Discuss and make recommendations to the City Council. 01:04:50
I'll begin. 01:04:55
In response to Mr. Pirie's comment, I listened to the tapes of the Planning Commission on May 17th. 01:04:56
And. 01:05:03
I was also there. I think, in all due respect to Mr. Purick, I have a different opinion about what? 01:05:04
City Council asked. They asked us to review both ordinances. 01:05:10
So to me that's a pretty open-ended thing and as I went through these both ordinances line by line. 01:05:14
I found a number of deficiencies that. 01:05:20
Whether we correct them? 01:05:23
Somebody's got to correct them because they they have to be. 01:05:24
And this goes far beyond. 01:05:28
I think just. 01:05:30
Selecting what zones these things ought to be and for example, who should select? 01:05:32
The. 01:05:38
The the cannabis dealer, how should they be be selected? 01:05:40
And some of the language in the ordinances. 01:05:44
Appear to appears to infringe upon the use. 01:05:47
Permit authority of the City of this Planning Commission later when we reviewed the. 01:05:52
The so-called local licensee so. 01:05:58
I I think we need to at least. 01:06:00
Look at the broader picture. Instead of looking at one or two things and then saying we we ought to go home, that that's my view. 01:06:03
Perhaps you disagreed. 01:06:07
I'm certainly willing to listen to. 01:06:12
Or certainly wasn't. Consider each other's opinions about this so we can come to a conclusion. 01:06:15
So who is who would like to speak? 01:06:21
Vice Chair Murphy. 01:06:24
Well, again, again, very respectfully, Mr. Mr. Burke, I I listened to the tape. 01:06:27
And and the Council was clear, that was asking us. 01:06:32
To review both ordinances. 01:06:37
I understand that title 11 is not usually. 01:06:39
Under our charge. 01:06:42
And some of those items. 01:06:45
And frankly, I don't care about one way or the other. But they did. They did ask us. 01:06:47
As as. 01:06:52
And I I. 01:06:53
I think I recall that both you and then city manager. 01:06:55
Ben Harvey were asked clarifying questions and you both said. 01:06:59
That what the Council asked was for the Planning Commission to review both both ordinances. 01:07:03
And and if if my memory is faulty I I apologize but I don't. 01:07:09
I don't think it is. 01:07:16
And as the chair. 01:07:18
Pointed out there are some areas of overlap. 01:07:20
And in the ordinances that I think are not are not clear and would benefit by some. 01:07:25
Some clarification. 01:07:31
My hope would be that we spend. 01:07:34
Umm. 01:07:36
You know, not much time on Title 11. 01:07:37
But when you do do address. 01:07:40
Those. 01:07:42
Those pieces that. 01:07:43
The. 01:07:45
Seem to relate to and perhaps conflict with the title three that is our. 01:07:46
Our usual. 01:07:52
Territory. 01:07:53
Thank you. 01:07:55
Thank you. 01:07:56
Any other comments, Commissioner Sawyer? 01:07:58
I looked through the general plan in the chapter that has to do with land use because I was concerned about what we were being 01:08:01
charged with. I was at the meeting as well. 01:08:06
When the City Council did give us a charge, they asked us to look at. 01:08:12
Both of these ordinances and when I looked at the general plan, when I looked at page 18, it talked about alcohol sales downtown. 01:08:17
And one of the things that it did state was. 01:08:24
Needed to make sure that the quality of life and general public safety in Pacific Grove was maintained. 01:08:31
Then it also talked about on page 24 non conforming uses. 01:08:39
In order to grant any use permit, the Planning Commission must make the finding. 01:08:45
That the use or building applied for will not be detrimental to persons or property. 01:08:50
In the neighborhood or to the general welfare of the city? 01:08:56
I think that gives us a little bit. 01:09:00
More perspective and allows us to look a little bit broader because. 01:09:03
As I went through both of these ordinances, I also had. 01:09:09
A number of questions as there were some deficiencies and some overlap. So it would be helpful I think to have our eyes on it just 01:09:13
to ask questions and to quickly go through. 01:09:19
Areas that. 01:09:24
Alright. 01:09:26
Important. 01:09:27
Thank you. 01:09:28
Thank you. 01:09:29
If it. 01:09:30
Commissioner, I mean Mr. Campbell, you, you. 01:09:31
Seemed to have something you wanted to say, so I'll recognize you. I appreciate that. 01:09:35
In preparing for this staff report, one thing that I did, I did go back and and watch on it. 01:09:40
Over and over and you you are correct where at the end of the meeting when they were. 01:09:47
Giving direction, they said. Let's give both to both of these ordinances to the Planning Commission. 01:09:52
The one thing that I didn't see during the meat of it that when. 01:09:59
Zoning was was brought up. 01:10:04
Both. 01:10:07
Lou Coletti and and the mayor and and everyone said send it to I felt. 01:10:10
And especially when drafting this, I felt there was they were giving a direction. 01:10:17
I would. 01:10:22
If we. 01:10:22
If you do not feel or if the Commission doesn't feel, that enough direction was given specifically for. 01:10:24
The Chapter 11. 01:10:31
Because I feel like they were very clear on Chapter 23 what was being asked. They went through very specific questions and those 01:10:33
are the questions that that we had, that I drew from those, from that meeting. 01:10:39
It's fair if you. 01:10:46
Didn't feel that you had enough direction concerning Chapter 11 just to ask and and see if they have any specific. 01:10:48
Things that they'd like for you to look at. 01:10:56
That would be my my suggestion. Thank you. Appreciate that. 01:10:58
If there's consensus on the Commission, I would prefer to proceed looking at both ordinances, certainly beginning with the ones 01:11:03
the issues that staff has pointed out, because they are embedded in the 10 pages of questions I have. 01:11:09
As we come to things in #11. 01:11:16
That we think we we need to gloss over or quickly dispose of we can. 01:11:19
But as I said before, we we don't need to ask the City Council any further what they. 01:11:24
What they intended, they said, what they intended and and at this point we're parsing words and wasting time, so I would prefer we 01:11:30
move along. 01:11:34
And if there's without objection, then I would like to move along. 01:11:38
Vice chair or I mean Commissioner Zinski. 01:11:42
Please turn on your microphone. My question is should we go to public comments at this time or I think we. Well, yes I will. OK. 01:11:46
Yeah I'll I'll do that under these circumstances. I I we we were gonna do that anyway. So if we're, if we're done with this 01:11:53
portion of the discussion then I will go to public comment and I appreciate. 01:11:59
The comments by everybody and and staff. So with that, is there anybody who's raised and Mr. Period, do you have any further 01:12:06
comments? Yeah, yeah I did. It's certainly your prerogative if you want to look at the both ordinances. I just made my comments 01:12:12
because I I had understood that it was. 01:12:17
At least primarily the zoning ordinance, since that's kind of the bailiwick for the Planning Commission, I should also. So if you 01:12:23
want to consider both ordinances, you certainly don't have the legal right to do that. 01:12:28
And the other thing is that my partner, Erica Vega is also on the line and she's the one that wrote the ordinance. So in case you 01:12:34
had any questions either now or later, she's available to respond. 01:12:40
Ohh, I'm sure we will have questions of Miss Vega and I'm glad she is in attendance this evening so well and I didn't get a chance 01:12:46
to welcome her. I don't see her picture up on the screen, but welcome. 01:12:51
So with that, do we have any, if if that's it, Mr. Purrington will proceed on and I think the first person on the docket is Mike 01:12:58
Gibbs, is that correct or is there anybody in the audience first who would like to? 01:13:04
To address. 01:13:10
Mr. Tuminello, I think does, and then we'll go to Mr. Gibbs. 01:13:12
So welcome. 01:13:16
No. 01:13:23
It's. It's red. So now well. 01:13:24
Wait, is it on now? OK, good. OK. Vince Tuminello, Pacific Grove resident. 01:13:29
And I'm a little stunned that this is even still an issue. You know, when when they had Measure M on the ballot? 01:13:34
Personally, I think it was misrepresentative making illusions that we were going to raise $300,000 a year. 01:13:40
And tax revenue from this one single storefront store, maybe including the delivery, I didn't even realize. 01:13:48
That was going to be part of the program. 01:13:55
But that that was my era. But anyway, if you take a look at other cities, the industry of growing marijuana. 01:13:58
The industry of selling marijuana licensed by different municipalities. 01:14:06
Has very much underperformed. 01:14:11
The presented expectations to the public and this measure M. 01:14:14
Alluded to the to the idea we were going to raise $300,000, which in the overall city budget is a drop in the bucket. So I don't 01:14:18
know how many people were swayed by that, but they were missed swayed if they were. The other thing is I know a lot of people who 01:14:24
was auditions would be great. I don't have to drive out the Seaside. 01:14:29
Well, a lot of people go out to Costco. I don't see anybody complaining about going to Costco. Why do we need a marijuana shop in 01:14:35
Pacific Grove, our quaint, beautiful little town? And I certainly wouldn't put it. 01:14:41
In public's knows like on Central Ave. Lighthouse Ave. down by the aquarium, these places would be totally out of. 01:14:47
My concept of a good location for a pot shop. I'll tell you what I think if you're going to insist on doing this. 01:14:54
The only place that I think would be affordable to it. 01:15:00
Would be up across the street from Safeway parking lot, across the street from the Goodyear store behind the French bakery up 01:15:03
there, there's a little shopping center that's kind of out of the way and not too obvious. And if you want to put a pot shop 01:15:10
someplace in the city, put it up there. Nobody leave, you notice it except those people who find it to be a necessity either for 01:15:17
medical or recreational needs to go there. But also let me mention, you know, this is not legal on the federal level. 01:15:24
You're putting yourself in liability by going along with this because at some point. 01:15:31
Sometime in the future there may be, you know, ramifications. Some lawyers will get together. Someone was injured, overdose, too 01:15:36
much THC wound up in the emergency room, which happens quite often if you talk to anybody from Chomp. 01:15:43
They have a lot of OD THC people up there who are completely out of their minds, passed out and debilitated in other ways. God 01:15:50
forbid one of these people gets in a car accident and injured in some other way, says Hey, you know that I I bought a license shop 01:15:55
by the city of Pacific Grove. 01:16:01
Gee, you know, they're violating federal law. Well, is that going to really fly? 01:16:07
I mean, I I. 01:16:11
And it just amazes me, you know, that we have a federal law does not allow. 01:16:13
Promotion sale of marijuana yet? We're all going well going ahead with this. 01:16:18
So I want to wish everybody luck who participates in this, but I know you'll feel obligated by the City Council will do so. I know 01:16:24
the mayor is here. I know the expectations for $300,000 a year are way over the top. 01:16:30
And is it all going to be worth it in the end? Thank you so much. Thank you. 01:16:37
Is there anybody else in the audience? If not, then I think we can go to. 01:16:47
Zoom. 01:16:52
With Mike Gibbs. 01:16:54
Planning Commission, thank you very much. This is Mike Gibbs again with the EDC. I'm speaking on my own behalf about the cannabis. 01:16:58
Issue. I completely agree with Mr. Tuminello on this issue and I. 01:17:05
I kind of feel bad that you all have to do this, but as long as you do, please. 01:17:10
Take on both of the ordinances, not just the one that seemed like that. The city staff member was trying to force you in One 01:17:15
Direction. Thank you for pushing back. 01:17:19
My comments are going to be a little bit more at a higher level of this. You know, Big Tobacco right now is the big investor 01:17:23
behind Big Cannabis. 01:17:27
And they pushed the lie or the myth, let's just put it that way, that cannabis was safe and that there's medicinal marijuana we 01:17:32
need to have it in. 01:17:36
All of our cities not true. 01:17:40
Last year I attended a meeting at the Pacific Grove High School. 01:17:42
About fentanyl, I don't know if any of you were there, but two ER doctors, doctor Rib Closen. 01:17:46
Casey Grover were there from montage. 01:17:52
And they delivered a a very compelling look at. 01:17:54
Drugs inside Pacific Grove? 01:17:58
And three people got up. Three parents got up and talked about their children who had died from fentanyl. Guess what they all 01:18:00
started with? Cannabis. 01:18:04
So the doctors handed out. 01:18:08
A paper. 01:18:11
They talked about the three myths that have been perpetrated that caused cities like Pacific Grove to pass this abomination. 01:18:12
Really. 01:18:17
And one is that marijuana is a medicine. Now these are directly from Montage, ER doctors. 01:18:21
And most studies show that there is. And we already know there's no FDA approved medical marijuana. There is 0. There's none. It 01:18:26
is often used for anxiety and depression. 01:18:31
The, ER, docs at Montage would point out that, in fact, marijuana makes anxiety and depression even worse. 01:18:37
Not better. 01:18:44
2nd Myth there was perpetuated by Big Cannabis that marijuana is safe. It is not. 01:18:45
It is the leasing leading cause of suicides among teens in the United States. It increases depression, anxiety and psychosis 01:18:51
almost. Psychologists and I saw this first hand myself, and it is something to see if you've never seen it. 01:18:58
Myth #3. It has no effect on driving. Not true. 01:19:06
There's a direct relationship between high levels of marijuana and the ability to drive safely. 01:19:10
Myth #4. It has no effect on school work. 01:19:16
That is been proven to be not true. 01:19:20
That we know that marijuana reduces brain growth. 01:19:24
Brain growth. 01:19:28
Among kids and youth under the age of 25, and it affects their ability to perform on tests. 01:19:29
You know, graduate on time. It contributes to absenteeism and dropouts. 01:19:37
And I don't think that's something that we want to. 01:19:42
Even think about it because it's too horrible to really cogitate on. 01:19:45
This number 5 marijuana is not addictive. And this is a big one. 01:19:49
I don't know how anybody can possibly think whether it's medical marijuana or not. 01:19:54
They all have high levels of THC that somebody may tell you different. It's not true and one of the things that some point if 01:19:59
you're going to look at one of the measures. 01:20:03
I would look at THC dosing. The dosing is 20 times higher than it was 50 years ago when I was treating people and it is way too 01:20:08
high and overdoses. 01:20:13
Occur all of the time and there is no Narcan. There is no nothing that you can take if you have a THC overdose and one of the 01:20:18
things is that many of you are parents, You may have experienced cannabis or marijuana back in the 60s or 70s. 01:20:26
And parents think that's not a big deal because when I was doing it. 01:20:34
When I was token, you know, when I was smoking, it wasn't a problem unfortunately. 01:20:38
Their experience doesn't apply to teenagers today, and parents don't understand the current risk. So I honor your, you know, 01:20:42
having to take this from the City Council. It was an advisory measure. We should have never approved it as a City Council. City 01:20:47
Council already knows that. So good luck with this. 01:20:53
And I and I admire the fact that you're approaching this in the correct way. So thank you very much, Chairman Lilly and the rest 01:20:58
of the Planning Commission. 01:21:02
Thank you. 01:21:07
We have influence and Dahmer welcome. 01:21:10
Sponsor. 01:21:13
Goodness gracious, what a bunch of. 01:21:14
Propaganda. 01:21:19
Excuse me, there is a medical use for marijuana. 01:21:21
Tell that to the cancer patients you just absolutely dismissed. 01:21:26
Umm, as far as your? 01:21:32
As far as your. 01:21:36
Following what the council recommended. 01:21:38
Yes, I will agree. 01:21:41
That they asked you to look at all of it. 01:21:44
And I realized that this city is a little bit disarrayed right now. 01:21:47
Because the head propagandist is no longer. 01:21:52
Uh. 01:21:57
Manager. 01:21:59
City manager and guess what the organizational chart still says? The City Council. 01:22:00
Is right up there underneath. 01:22:07
The citizens of Pacific Grove. 01:22:10
Who voted for this? Whatever reason, it's fine. 01:22:13
I myself has used cannabidiol products. 01:22:18
And been to many different dispensaries. 01:22:23
Throughout many years. 01:22:26
I had a medical license from the state. 01:22:28
Not for high THC content whatsoever. 01:22:32
Because I need it to manage pain. 01:22:36
And it is mostly CBD products. I don't want to get high. 01:22:39
Believe me, I want to speak my mind perfectly sober, thank you very much. 01:22:45
So here we go. You are charged with this. 01:22:50
I am. I am asking you. I I figure this is going to end up kind of being like a skate park. The only thing I agreed with the last 01:22:54
two speakers on is probably up there in the Forest Hill behind. 01:23:01
Whatever and across from Safeway, you know, that's about the only thing I can agree upon. Because. 01:23:07
I didn't hear anywhere with I I heard the CV, you know, and. 01:23:14
And transient, but I didn't hear the CV ATC one, which of course is my area of the woods. 01:23:19
And the fact that Monterrey has approved apparently 21 on Lighthouse Ave. in New Monterey there and one near Cannery Row will 01:23:27
Yeah, this isn't a real good thought. 01:23:34
Saturation and whatever. 01:23:42
Yes, I approve of delivery only in some industrial little place. They don't need a large warehouse for this. 01:23:45
There isn't going to be. I don't even know if you're going to find. 01:23:52
Someone who wants to do it to tell you the truth. 01:23:57
Because this high dosage. 01:24:01
Really high THC, which are for medical ones which are. 01:24:03
For cancer patients etc. 01:24:09
They already have their connection, so to speak, their dispensary. 01:24:12
I don't think Pacific Grove is ever going to realize the money they think they are from this. 01:24:17
And. 01:24:23
Anyway, I don't think another one down here. And yes, I'd like to see some zoning between. 01:24:25
Residential areas, I don't think the CV ATC is a good idea at all. 01:24:31
And umm. 01:24:38
And as far as the ordinances go, since we really don't have a permanent city manager right now, I think it'd be a good idea to 01:24:40
take any of that out of the ordinances. 01:24:45
Because it needs more oversight. 01:24:51
Than anything else. I am very hopeful of what we'll get in next but. 01:24:54
Umm. 01:25:00
I'm not relying on staff, so to speak. 01:25:02
Thank you very much. 01:25:05
Thank you. 01:25:09
If Tony Chiani welcome. 01:25:11
Good evening, Commissioners and staff. 01:25:18
Uh. 01:25:20
And other members of the public. 01:25:22
I'm probably not a good candidate for talking about this, because. 01:25:25
I don't use marijuana or. 01:25:28
That other stuff. 01:25:31
But one of my cats does. 01:25:34
Umm. 01:25:36
And I had to go to Seaside. 01:25:37
To fulfill the vets prescription for it. 01:25:40
But as a planner. 01:25:45
And looking at the parameters. 01:25:48
Sort of the design parameters that you need to consider. 01:25:50
If it's 1000 feet. 01:25:55
From. 01:25:58
Residential areas. 01:26:00
Or schools or churches and things like that. 01:26:01
Then I suggest you get out your. 01:26:05
Your. 01:26:08
Protractors. 01:26:10
And draw the circles. 01:26:12
And figure out where from the edges of any. 01:26:15
Commercial areas. 01:26:19
Or industrial areas. 01:26:22
That there are not residences or schools. 01:26:24
And. 01:26:29
As I. 01:26:30
Understand. 01:26:31
The zoning maps. 01:26:33
There's not a lot of places like that in Pacific Grove. 01:26:35
I don't think Pacific Grove is really a great place. 01:26:38
For selling and distributing. 01:26:42
Cannabis products. 01:26:44
Except. 01:26:46
Possibly. 01:26:47
To have some sort of a. 01:26:49
Not even a storefront? Some sort of a? 01:26:52
Delivery service. 01:26:54
So enterprise? 01:26:57
That could deliver those. 01:26:59
Products primarily probably for. 01:27:02
Health purposes. 01:27:05
To people who need it. 01:27:06
And that way it'll be more accessible. 01:27:09
That way I wouldn't have to drive to Pacific to Seaside. 01:27:11
To get this little bottle of stuff. 01:27:16
That I drip on my cat's food. 01:27:19
So my cats. 01:27:22
Doing a little bit better. 01:27:25
Take a scientific. 01:27:29
Approach to this. 01:27:31
Look and see. 01:27:34
If there's any areas. 01:27:35
That are not in the coastal zone. 01:27:37
Not visitor serving. 01:27:39
Uh. 01:27:42
That. 01:27:42
Or visitor commercial areas. 01:27:43
That. 01:27:46
Can accommodate this kind of use. 01:27:47
That's a difficult choice. Thank you very much for your work. 01:27:50
Thank you. 01:27:54
We have Marsha. 01:27:58
Marsha. 01:28:00
Welcome. 01:28:01
Good evening, Mr. Chair and Commissioners. 01:28:03
Umm. 01:28:07
I'm glad that you opened up the discussion and that you're going to be. 01:28:09
Opening up your review. 01:28:14
Umm. 01:28:17
I'm. 01:28:19
I'm primarily going to address. 01:28:20
Your. 01:28:24
Land use responsibilities as they relate to health, safety, welfare, quality of life. 01:28:26
And. 01:28:34
And something that was not put on the. 01:28:37
On the referendum that went to to the vote. 01:28:41
Was the fact that there are a lot of health issues. 01:28:45
Mental health issues. 01:28:49
Related to cannabis, for example. 01:28:51
In May of 2023. 01:28:55
A new study was done. 01:28:58
In Denmark that. 01:29:01
Considered. 01:29:04
6.9 million people who ranged in age from 16 to 49 between 1972 and. 01:29:06
2021. 01:29:14
This was also done in conjunction with the US. 01:29:16
Researchers and they found. 01:29:21
That marijuana use increases schizophrenia risk in young men. 01:29:24
As many as 30% of schizophrenia cases among young men could have been prevented if they had avoided marijuana. 01:29:30
There was a lesser percentage. For young females it was 4%. 01:29:40
This coincided with previous research that showed that. 01:29:47
The psychoactive ingredient in cannabis, called THC, may trigger or worsen schizophrenia. Long term and heavy cannabis use can 01:29:52
alter the way. 01:29:58
That brain works, and it especially impacts developing brains of teenagers. That's something to consider about our youth. 01:30:04
Also, weed related ER visits are up 44% in New York City. 01:30:14
And. 01:30:23
There's also an article about. 01:30:25
Candy weed. 01:30:28
No protection for marijuana child poisoning. 01:30:30
Over 7000 children under the age of six were exposed to cannabis in the US. 01:30:35
Do between 2017, 2021. 01:30:42
And they found. 01:30:47
15%. 01:30:49
Marijuana related hospital encountered. 01:30:51
Encounters required hospitalization, 4% required mechanical ventilation. 01:30:54
Root candy was responsible for 43% of pediatric poisoning. 01:31:02
So. 01:31:08
Consider that when you're considering zoning. Thank you. 01:31:10
Thank you. 01:31:14
No one else online, No one else online, alright, we just one person just popped up. 01:31:21
Person popped up, Melinda. 01:31:27
Miller. Miller. 01:31:31
Mueller, Mueller. 01:31:32
Welcome. 01:31:34
Hello. 01:31:37
My name is Melinda Derouen Mueller and I am a resident of Pacific Grove. 01:31:39
I am also a mother. 01:31:46
I have two children in local schools who are young. 01:31:49
And I am a cannabis user. 01:31:53
And. 01:31:57
I'm not a schizophrenic. 01:31:58
I'm a. 01:32:00
Totally normal human being. 01:32:01
And me, along with all other Pacific Grove residents. 01:32:05
Who are adults and choose to use cannabis Drive out of town? 01:32:09
To spend our money. 01:32:14
In Carmel. 01:32:16
In Seaside. 01:32:18
And in. 01:32:21
Salinas. 01:32:22
To buy our cannabis. 01:32:24
If you put a. 01:32:28
Cannabis Dispensary in Pacific Grove. I can guarantee you nobody's going to drive to the edge of the peninsula. 01:32:30
From Salinas or Seaside to buy cannabis. 01:32:36
But all your Pacific Grove residents will be spending our money locally. 01:32:40
You will be getting the tax money. 01:32:44
It won't be going to Carmel or Seaside. 01:32:46
You'll get all the tax money. 01:32:50
And you'll be serving us. 01:32:52
You're not going to attract people from Seaside who want to drive all the way out here for something like that. 01:32:54
And this is coming from a totally normal human being who is has two children locally. I am an upstanding community member. 01:33:01
And I'm a totally normal person and I'm just sick of driving to Seaside. 01:33:10
To spend my money it should. It should be local. 01:33:15
Ensure visitors will. 01:33:19
Possibly also. 01:33:21
Partake. But you know, we also sell alcohol locally, so it's the same thing. 01:33:23
There is already. 01:33:28
Umm. 01:33:30
Deliveries that we can get out here. 01:33:31
But you know, just. 01:33:34
As far as driving and going elsewhere. 01:33:36
You would you would save a lot of Pacific Grove residents. 01:33:40
Driving, driving time and you would get yourself a lot of tax money. 01:33:44
And. 01:33:49
I'm not a schizophrenic or just, you know, we choose not to drink alcohol. 01:33:51
That's a totally normal thing and people just need to start getting used to it. 01:33:56
And Pacific Grove is just super behind on this. 01:34:00
Other towns are already. 01:34:03
Way ahead of us. 01:34:06
Just like with cutting down trees like let's, let's get to the present day here in town. 01:34:08
So. 01:34:13
I hope that you listen to somebody who is a cannabis user. 01:34:14
And an upstanding Pacific Grove resident. 01:34:18
I appreciate you your time. Thank you very much. 01:34:21
Thank you. 01:34:25
I see no other hands, all right. 01:34:29
So then. 01:34:32
At this point I will close. 01:34:34
This matter to further public comment so we can proceed to. 01:34:37
Consider all these issues and so. 01:34:43
Without objection, then let me. 01:34:49
Use the format that. 01:34:52
Initially suggested by the staff and that's the first item actually on the list I provided, and that would be. 01:34:55
And what zones should? 01:35:03
Storefront cannabis retailer be allowed. 01:35:05
I let me propose this, though, that we go through. 01:35:08
The ordinances. 01:35:12
And look at the questions that we've. 01:35:14
Identified You may have other questions you wish to identify. 01:35:16
We'll talk them through. 01:35:19
We we had a discussion a couple of months ago. 01:35:21
Where we? 01:35:25
Almost like a kitchen table discussion about our thoughts about this thing, but now we I think we need to focus on the specific 01:35:26
issues before us. 01:35:30
That have been outlined by the staff and in the. 01:35:34
Presentation that I provided so without objection then it will proceed. And so the first question that staff raised was which 01:35:38
specific zone should. 01:35:42
Planning Commission. 01:35:48
Recommend retailers be allowed. 01:35:50
And that's in the. 01:35:52
Ordinance, 2392. 01:35:54
And that would be in. 01:35:57
Ohh 6 OB 2. 01:35:59
And staff recommends cannabis be allowed in the following districts. 01:36:01
Downtown commercial like commercial. 01:36:05
Heavy commercial which is C2 and Forest Hill commercial. 01:36:08
The original ordinance also had. 01:36:12
Visitor. Commercial. 01:36:16
And CIT, which would be, I think, just the Holman block, if I'm not mistaken. So there there's. 01:36:18
Some change there in the. 01:36:27
The the initial state, the initial ordinance and and then what staff recommends so. 01:36:31
Best way I know it is just to go go through one by one and and hear everybody's thoughts. So who would like to begin? 01:36:38
I I'm in accord with the staff recommendation it makes it makes sense to me. 01:36:47
OK. 01:36:53
So that would be then the ones that are listed here on their first recommendation. OK, all right. 01:36:54
Who else would like to comment about? 01:37:00
That issue, Commissioner Sawyer. 01:37:02
I just was wondering about the downtown commercial area that. 01:37:04
Does that preclude are basically historic blocks? 01:37:09
How do you mean if we all get it doesn't preclude any if downtown commercial would be all CD. 01:37:18
If you allowed it in retail. 01:37:25
It it would include the whole lighthouse area. 01:37:27
It. 01:37:31
Go ahead. 01:37:32
I'm, I'm sorry. 01:37:33
It would not because of the buffer zones. 01:37:35
So if you look at the bus buffer zone maps. 01:37:37
There's very, very little of the downtown commercials. There's maybe 3 parcels in the whole of downtown where? 01:37:40
Ohh allowed. 01:37:47
All right. 01:37:49
I don't have a problem with it then. 01:37:51
Thank you, Commissioner Nuzenski, Thank you. 01:37:57
Seem to have your hand raised for a bit, yeah? I I support the staff recommendation for item number one. 01:38:00
OK. 01:38:07
So. 01:38:07
I have a question so CV which is this does not include visitor commercial correct? 01:38:10
OK. And that is where that is. 01:38:17
I don't have my zoning map, but. 01:38:21
We have these maps at the end of. 01:38:24
Again, there are a few of them. There's. 01:38:27
Ohh, if you look on the screen there there. 01:38:30
It's the blow up from map 2. 01:38:33
So can you see where this is? This map too is. 01:38:36
I'll take it back to this area. 01:38:40
The first CV area. 01:38:43
Is. 01:38:47
Right around that. 01:38:48
Central and that is a recommendation. It's a very small block. 01:38:50
Ohh. 01:38:55
We're. 01:38:56
This is. 01:38:59
The mayor saying it's a Meals on Wheels. 01:39:01
To the very small, that CV area is very small, and then there's another area over. 01:39:07
Which, which is that that area over by the. 01:39:13
The aquarium offices. 01:39:17
Order there were the. 01:39:24
OK. 01:39:26
Order there where the aquarium offices are. That's a happy girl kitchen. 01:39:27
As I understand it, the thing they're up in the corner. 01:39:32
By Hopkins, that is. 01:39:36
The old Monterey boat works, is that correct? 01:39:39
Well, that was years ago. I don't know what they call it now, but that's what it was years ago. Ohh, you mean on this? Well, we 01:39:43
have it on this. Is it the same spot on this map here that. 01:39:47
You can see that. 01:39:52
Campbell. 01:39:59
I know there are a lot of different maps. 01:40:01
It might make sense to be using our zoning map and and just if you want to use the whole screen, let me pull the whole. 01:40:03
There we go. OK, that. That's. That's clear to me. Maybe not to others, but it's clear to me. So CVS then means. 01:40:14
The boat works location in the northeast northeast corner. 01:40:23
Of the city. 01:40:28
Next to the budding the aquarium property. 01:40:29
The heavy Girl kitchen. And then there was there a third one. 01:40:32
Ohh, down by the. 01:40:35
They're in the the upper left corner of map 2. 01:40:37
Yes. And that would be the. 01:40:42
Ohh, is that where? 01:40:45
Is that the the, the, the Community Center? 01:40:47
It's a senior housing. The senior housing in that area, Yeah, that area in there. 01:40:53
Umm. 01:40:58
And then the the one down and then they're down here on the bottom on map one and that would be those are actually that's C2 01:41:00
that's heavy commercial that's why I tried to get these a little bit blown up because they the way that they hash these they don't 01:41:06
a lot of sense that's C2 down in the on map 1. 01:41:12
So the happy girl one is really see, two not. 01:41:19
CV and that. 01:41:22
Miss. 01:41:24
Mr. Chair, that's not happy. Go kitchen. That's down down on by slow, I think. There. 01:41:25
You're right. That's where the and that's not, but that's that's C2 and that's the Quonset Hut, right? Yeah, that's the Quonset 01:41:32
Hut. 01:41:36
And so the visitor commercial really is just that one. 01:41:41
Warner there. 01:41:45
Alright. 01:41:51
So what is the consensus then of of the Commission that we we use the staff's? 01:41:53
Recommendation. Do we need to take a vote on some of these things or? 01:41:59
It's it's it appears that you have any comment, Commissioner Davidson about that or? 01:42:03
With everybody else. 01:42:10
So perhaps, Mr. Campbell, you can take copious notes of this. 01:42:14
And. 01:42:20
Record that we're in agreement with it, I think. 01:42:21
The staff recommendation on this, unless there's a desire to take a vote on some of these things, if if there appears to be 01:42:24
controversy, we can. 01:42:28
OK, Mr. Chair, this is Brian Perry. My recommendation would be that you do a motion on it so you formalize your direction to the 01:42:32
council. 01:42:36
Alright, so may I have a motion then to approve the staff recommendation number? 01:42:42
But Commissioner Sawyer, when you say staff recommends cannabis be allowed in the following zoning districts, are we? 01:42:50
Delineating which cannabis? Or is it cannabis in its entirety? Because we seem to. 01:42:58
Want to have delivery and storefront so when you say cannabis, you're just lumping it all together. 01:43:06
Right, No. 01:43:11
This is the retailers. The why doesn't it say cannabis retail, that is. 01:43:14
Ohh. 01:43:22
Up above the. 01:43:22
Thank you. OK, let let let me ask a question though, but this. 01:43:24
This still is subject to the 1000 foot rule. 01:43:29
Yes. 01:43:32
So. 01:43:33
Even many of these are are potentially knocked out exactly. Yes, I would if we could ask Erica Vega just to, since she did. 01:43:35
Prepare the ordinance, I want to make sure, because what we have. 01:43:47
In the. 01:43:51
The ordinance itself and that 60. 01:43:54
Be two. 01:43:57
It says it does say use for permit for a cannabis business. 01:44:01
Shall be granted subject to the following. 01:44:05
So if, if Eric could, Erica could chime in on on if we are. 01:44:08
If these delivery only if we can. 01:44:14
If that is being eliminated from this and we're just talking about retail because the retail it's still the delivery only is 01:44:17
retail, it's just medicinal retail. So this is. 01:44:22
So maybe you could help us make this motion correct. So the purpose of of this question and for the purposes of this motion, it 01:44:27
would pertain to your storefront retailer, not your delivery or any delivery only retailers. That's addressed in the second 01:44:32
question. 01:44:37
Umm. 01:44:43
And. 01:44:44
And to get to the comment, I think or heard from Chair Lily, it's sort of a a double layer. So first she would kind of. 01:44:45
Identify the zone where the storefront. 01:44:53
Or or zones where the storefront business could locate and then you would take the map that has the radius to figure out which 01:44:56
which sites within each of those zones are even available. 01:45:01
OK. 01:45:09
We haven't gotten to the question yet on the. 01:45:10
On the. 01:45:13
This is the separation so. 01:45:14
But once you once you finalize that and once council finalizes that, that's how it would work. 01:45:17
I know I have a number of questions about the medicinal SO. 01:45:22
Defer that. 01:45:26
But. 01:45:27
So the CIT or C1T district excludes the home and block. 01:45:29
Although the home of block. 01:45:35
Is. 01:45:37
Really within 1000 feet of a lot of things. 01:45:38
So it's almost. 01:45:42
It's like. 01:45:43
This leaves out of your vest, I suppose, if you want to use an analogy. 01:45:44
All right, so is there a motion to this? 01:45:49
I believe it. 01:45:51
We recommend we I move that we approve the recommended. 01:45:54
Staff recommendation. 01:45:59
Brother. 01:46:01
Retail store. 01:46:02
Zoning Registration, Storefront retail. 01:46:03
Storefront Retail. Thank you. 01:46:06
OK. Is there a second to that motion? 01:46:09
OK. 01:46:12
So Commissioner Nijinsky moved that we accept the staff recommendation. 01:46:13
On. 01:46:18
Storefront. 01:46:19
Cannabis. 01:46:20
Retailers be allowed in the. 01:46:21
Zoning districts of CD C1C2. 01:46:23
And CFH. 01:46:27
And I believe also that that would include the 1000 foot buffer. 01:46:30
Am I correct with that? Do we need a friendly amendment for that or? 01:46:34
No. 01:46:38
OK. 01:46:40
And there's a seconded by Commissioner Sawyer. So is there further discussion? 01:46:40
If not, then Mr. Campbell, can you call the roll please? 01:46:46
Or I'm sorry, commissioner, Kobe, cut. Make sure that we're. 01:46:49
I want to make sure we're very specific. 01:46:54
OK. That it is not the delivery service? 01:46:56
The. 01:47:00
There would be no confusion in the future and if retailer. 01:47:01
Using the term retailer is the correct legal term. 01:47:05
To do that. 01:47:09
Then I have no problem. 01:47:10
But I want to make sure that it is not. 01:47:12
Storefront retailer, it's the motion, OK And that that is the one. 01:47:15
Retailer that the city will then. 01:47:20
Require a. 01:47:22
License for. 01:47:24
OK. 01:47:25
Is that is that specific enough, Miss Vega? 01:47:26
I would just like to clarify. 01:47:29
That a storefront retailer, the 1 storefront retailer. 01:47:31
Could offer delivery service as a part of their business. 01:47:36
And that would be allowed. So it would be a combination of storefront walk in. 01:47:39
Sales and Delivery sales. 01:47:46
That is, that is an option. 01:47:48
Under both state licensing and how the the licensing ordinance for the city is currently drafted and we haven't received any. 01:47:50
Concrete direction. 01:48:00
On whether. 01:48:02
On the specific issue of allowing. 01:48:03
Delivery. 01:48:06
At the storefront retailer from the City Council at this point in time. 01:48:07
So that would be basically if the dealer then at this point so chose. 01:48:12
Correct. They wouldn't be mandated to it, but it is something that they could decide to provide as a part of their business model. 01:48:17
All right. 01:48:25
Is that clear, then, to everybody, or are you satisfied with that, Commissioner? 01:48:26
Then if there's no further discussion, could you call the roll, Mr. Campbell? 01:48:32
Yes. 01:48:37
Commissioner Nizki.