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So it is 6:00 PM. | 00:00:02 | |
I am Stephen Lilly and I will call to order this August 10th. | 00:00:04 | |
2023 Regular meeting of the Pacific Rd. Planning Commission. | 00:00:09 | |
Mr. Campbell, would you please call the roll? | 00:00:13 | |
Generally. | 00:00:17 | |
Here. | 00:00:18 | |
Vice Chair Murphy. | 00:00:19 | |
Commissioner Frederickson. | 00:00:24 | |
He has an excused absence. | 00:00:26 | |
Sure Sawyer. Ohh. Sorry, Commissioner Sawyer. | 00:00:29 | |
President, Commissioner Davison. | 00:00:32 | |
President, Commissioner Kubica. | 00:00:34 | |
Here. | 00:00:36 | |
Commissioner, Commissioner Dzinski. | 00:00:37 | |
Present we have 6 present one absent we have a quorum. | 00:00:39 | |
Good. So as I said, Commissioner Frederickson has an excuse absence and as Mr. Campbell said, we have a quorum. | 00:00:44 | |
Let me just begin briefly by stating this meeting is conducted under revised rules mandated and Assembly Bill 2449. | 00:00:53 | |
Besides our median and chambers here this evening, we have a virtual or zoom participation and therefore a hybrid format. | 00:01:01 | |
The webinar ID and toll free numbers for those not in attendance on Zoom are on the agenda phase sheet when the host opens the | 00:01:08 | |
agenda for public comment, those wishing to speak via Zoom should press star 9 to raise your hand. | 00:01:15 | |
And store 6 to unmute when recognized. | 00:01:22 | |
Before we continue further, let me remind you, including myself. | 00:01:27 | |
That we need to speak directly into the microphone so there are equipment can properly record us. | 00:01:31 | |
So and that also means we need to make sure the. | 00:01:39 | |
Each other's microphone is on. | 00:01:41 | |
So, so now we come to our agenda. Does anybody have any changes to the agenda? | 00:01:44 | |
Ohh hearing none. May I have a motion then to approve the agenda? | 00:01:54 | |
I move to approve the agenda. | 00:02:01 | |
I'll second. All right. Commissioner Nuzenski moved to approve the agenda and seconded by. | 00:02:03 | |
Vice Chair Murphy. | 00:02:09 | |
So is there any discussion about the agenda? | 00:02:12 | |
Ohh, hearing none then Mr. Campbell, would you please call the roll and? | 00:02:17 | |
All those in favor should say aye, and those opposed should say nay. | 00:02:22 | |
Commissioner Nijinsky. | 00:02:28 | |
Aye. | 00:02:30 | |
Commissioner, Vice Chair Murphy. | 00:02:32 | |
Commissioner Kubica. | 00:02:35 | |
Aye. | 00:02:36 | |
Commissioner Davison. | 00:02:37 | |
Aye. | 00:02:39 | |
Commissioner Sawyer. | 00:02:40 | |
Aye. | 00:02:41 | |
Chair Lily. | 00:02:43 | |
Agenda is approved. | 00:02:45 | |
Alright, so the agenda is approved by the motion to approve. The agenda is approved by Six Eyes No Nos. And so we move now to item | 00:02:48 | |
number 3. | 00:02:52 | |
Commission and staff announcements. | 00:02:56 | |
Does any member of the Commission have any announcements? | 00:02:59 | |
Commissioner Sawyer. | 00:03:04 | |
Are you ready with my letter? | 00:03:12 | |
Mr. Campbell. | 00:03:16 | |
You want me to? I have other things to talk about while you're doing that. You want me to do that? | 00:03:32 | |
OK. I also wanted to give an oral report on the. | 00:03:36 | |
Story Poll subcommittee because there is no place on it on our agenda. The last report was on July 13th. | 00:03:42 | |
We have met twice since then, on July 20th and August 3rd. | 00:03:51 | |
Our next meeting is August 16th. | 00:03:56 | |
We're making progress. That's all I got to say. Lots of it. | 00:03:59 | |
We finished with all the comparisons with other municipalities. | 00:04:03 | |
We are now working to complete our storyboard content outline. We're close to starting to write. | 00:04:07 | |
We have completed work on a certification letter we're working to complete. | 00:04:14 | |
Waivers, exceptions, and alternative policies. | 00:04:20 | |
Signage and other specifics regarding policy. | 00:04:24 | |
And that's the end of the report on the. | 00:04:28 | |
Destroy poll committee unless my compatriots wish to add anything. | 00:04:31 | |
No. OK. Thank you. | 00:04:37 | |
Umm. | 00:04:39 | |
And then I. | 00:04:41 | |
Have written a. | 00:04:44 | |
3rd letter in regards to the Great Divide, tide, pool, safety and environmental concerns. | 00:04:46 | |
My first letter was in June on the 6th. My second letter was July 12th. | 00:04:53 | |
And my third letter was today. | 00:04:58 | |
Which demonstrates continuing safety and environmental issues which include the following. | 00:05:02 | |
There's rebar protruding out of the wood edging beside the path, the drop off area near the coastal path above the great tide | 00:05:09 | |
pool. | 00:05:13 | |
And that's evident in photograph one, which we'll see in just a minute. | 00:05:18 | |
Mayors photograph one, so there's a rebar. | 00:05:23 | |
And what's worrisome to me is I was there yesterday when I took this picture. | 00:05:26 | |
And there were two ladies going down this path, and one lady did it without any issue. The third, the second lady actually | 00:05:33 | |
basically had to sit down so she could go over this. | 00:05:39 | |
And when I approached them, the second lady explained that she had a number of orthopedic. | 00:05:45 | |
Concerns and injuries. And she had to be extraordinarily careful when she was going down a path like this, so. | 00:05:54 | |
It just worries me that we have this. This is part of our coastal path. I just think it needs to be repaired. | 00:06:01 | |
This was sort of repaired in July with a DG and you can see that the DG did not stay in place and we have further erosion. | 00:06:08 | |
Thirdly, there's no signage or warning of the drop off on the coastal path and then there are. | 00:06:19 | |
No protections. | 00:06:26 | |
Yeah, number #2. | 00:06:29 | |
For the fragile dunes or the tide strums Lupin habitat on the Oceanside of the coastal. | 00:06:32 | |
Path and what you see here is. | 00:06:40 | |
The. | 00:06:44 | |
Wire actually down on the ground. | 00:06:46 | |
It doesn't do any good to keep people out of there, so if I could see the next. | 00:06:48 | |
Slide. Yeah. And that is a sign that says no entry and you can see there's evidence of. | 00:06:54 | |
A lot of footprints right behind that, no entry. | 00:07:00 | |
And that area is? | 00:07:04 | |
Of. | 00:07:07 | |
Significance to. | 00:07:08 | |
The. | 00:07:11 | |
Are. | 00:07:12 | |
You know, great tide pool because it contains a lot of the tide streams. Lupin. | 00:07:13 | |
Tide streams looping grow in very few areas. | 00:07:18 | |
In the world. | 00:07:22 | |
We happen to have in our great tide pool area the largest colony of them. | 00:07:24 | |
So they're considered rare and endangered and it just. | 00:07:30 | |
I mean, it breaks my heart every time I go by and I see all these footsteps. | 00:07:33 | |
And then the last. | 00:07:38 | |
Concern that I have is there's a considerable foot traffic as you can see through these fragile dune areas. | 00:07:41 | |
This area was. | 00:07:50 | |
Developed as part of a coastal development permit that allowed a lot of work to happen in the Asilomar dunes. | 00:07:53 | |
And Sylmar State Beach Conference Center Grounds And this. | 00:07:58 | |
Umm. | 00:08:02 | |
Area in the great tide pools was part of the mitigation that was. | 00:08:03 | |
Granted during that CDP. | 00:08:07 | |
And there there was a plan that was submitted to the city in May of 2013 and. | 00:08:11 | |
At a minimum, the plan was to demonstrate that they would protect the restoration area and avoid volunteer trails across the site. | 00:08:17 | |
And quite frankly, that's not happening and this is part of our coastal development permit. | 00:08:26 | |
And then the other issue that I have. | 00:08:32 | |
Strong feelings about his restoration shall be premised on enhancing dune habitat so that self functioning. | 00:08:35 | |
High quality dune habitat in perpetuity. | 00:08:41 | |
I don't see that happening if we don't protect this. | 00:08:44 | |
Umm. | 00:08:48 | |
It. | 00:08:49 | |
Appears that the CDP requirements are not outlined above. | 00:08:50 | |
Aren't followed by the city, as evidenced by the lack of continuous protection for fragile dunes and biologic areas. | 00:08:54 | |
And there also appears to be a rather blatant disregard for pedestrian safety on the great tide pool. | 00:09:01 | |
Coastal path. | 00:09:07 | |
Simple medications such as post and cable fencing, signage and a potential breakaway stair structure could be utilized. | 00:09:10 | |
And long term mitigation should include consideration of rerouting these coastal paths. | 00:09:18 | |
And viewing platforms due to coastal storm hazards. Thank you. | 00:09:24 | |
Mr. Chair, this is City Attorney Brian Perry. My recommendation would be that if the Commission wants to address any of the | 00:09:29 | |
concerns that were just expressed, is that you put this on a future council agenda. | 00:09:36 | |
Umm. | 00:09:44 | |
So there can't really be any discussion about it tonight. | 00:09:45 | |
But if you wanted to put it on a future agenda, you could do that. | 00:09:48 | |
We plan to do that for this agenda, however we. | 00:09:52 | |
Couldn't do that because of the lack of proper noticing, but thank you, we do plan to do that and I appreciate that. | 00:09:56 | |
And then the one. | 00:10:04 | |
Last question that I had is in regards to the board standing committees, joint working group. I have no idea what that is and I'm. | 00:10:07 | |
Hoping Miss Wyatt will be able to elucidate what that is. Thank you. Those are the end of my comments. | 00:10:17 | |
Thank you. | 00:10:24 | |
Are there any other comments? | 00:10:25 | |
From Commissioners. | 00:10:27 | |
If not, I just have a couple. | 00:10:30 | |
First, on July 13th, our last meeting, we approved coastal development permit. | 00:10:33 | |
22-0318 multiple locations in the coastal zone and you should know that that matter has been appealed to the. | 00:10:38 | |
City Council. | 00:10:46 | |
Other actions we took on July 13th stand. | 00:10:48 | |
At least at the local level stand they stand. | 00:10:53 | |
Including architectural and coastal development permit. | 00:10:57 | |
CDP for 100 Asilomar. | 00:11:00 | |
And architectural and use permit for 1060 Jewel Ave. | 00:11:03 | |
And denial of coastal development permit for pints on the peninsula. | 00:11:07 | |
And so I I would just repeat that a comment made by Commissioner Sawyer that next month's agenda could possibly have. | 00:11:14 | |
Recommendation of the City Council on the disposition of the matter she discussed about the Great Tide Pool. | 00:11:25 | |
Are there any staff announcements Director Wyatt or Mr. Campbell? | 00:11:31 | |
I'd be happy to address Commissioner Sawyers question about the the Joint Commission's working group. | 00:11:37 | |
It's. Please, please, please. | 00:11:45 | |
That is, Chief Madalone has put together had the idea to have one volunteer for each board and Commission. | 00:11:48 | |
To get together at their time. | 00:11:57 | |
And. | 00:12:00 | |
We have. | 00:12:02 | |
We we have given it or presented it to a number of boards so far. One of the reasons we didn't this time around is there are a lot | 00:12:04 | |
of questions that have been coming up from boards. | 00:12:09 | |
And commissions as we go through it. | 00:12:14 | |
And So what we're going to do is we're going to try to have the chief come and and. | 00:12:17 | |
Let you know what. | 00:12:22 | |
Her plan was for this Joint Commission's working group. It's meant to be. | 00:12:23 | |
Staff free. It will be only one volunteer per per group. It's not a decision making board, but it's meant for communication | 00:12:30 | |
purposes only. | 00:12:34 | |
OK. That's good. Thank you. Thank you. | 00:12:41 | |
Tonight. | 00:12:45 | |
And I think I heard his voice previously. We have Brian Perik, our legal counsel. | 00:12:46 | |
I think he's here. Do you have any announcements? | 00:12:51 | |
I'm just getting my mute button off there now. I have no announcements on this evening. Thank you, Mr. Chair. | 00:12:57 | |
All right, we come now to. | 00:13:06 | |
Council liaison announcements. Council member Coletti, do you have any announcements? Thank you, Chair, and greetings to all on | 00:13:09 | |
the Planning Commission. | 00:13:13 | |
I do have a couple of items I'd like to report regarding our August 2nd Council meeting. | 00:13:17 | |
We did a first read of our Accessory Dwelling Unit Ordinance which came before Planning Commission previously. | 00:13:24 | |
And we also another item we also selected Rincon. | 00:13:32 | |
As the contractor for our focus general plan update. | 00:13:38 | |
They will be the consultant, the lead consultant, I should say. | 00:13:43 | |
And we chose to kind of do it all apart, so. | 00:13:47 | |
We there were two phases that were presented. | 00:13:51 | |
As options to council, we chose to pursue phase one initially. | 00:13:54 | |
And there are four principal components of phase one. | 00:13:59 | |
Zoning, Ordinance and Map amendments. | 00:14:04 | |
Is 1 objective design and development standards. Site development is a second. | 00:14:07 | |
And general plan land use element consistency updates. | 00:14:14 | |
And then finally a program EIR which would be amended later. | 00:14:19 | |
Based on some of the work that would happen in phase two. | 00:14:23 | |
The contract will run through the end of fiscal year 2425. | 00:14:27 | |
As you know, we are expecting soon. It was also reported at the same Council meeting by Rincon that they had submitted their | 00:14:31 | |
administrative draft. | 00:14:36 | |
Of the housing element to staff. | 00:14:40 | |
So we're expecting to see that soon. | 00:14:43 | |
And hopefully we can. | 00:14:45 | |
We can get started on on getting that adopted and certified and then getting going with our general plan updates. | 00:14:48 | |
That will be necessary to get. | 00:14:56 | |
The housing element implemented. | 00:14:58 | |
And finally, last point, we appointed City Council, appointed Tory Hanna as our city manager pro temporary. | 00:15:00 | |
With hiring authority, effective immediately. | 00:15:09 | |
And so we have a new city manager acting as a manager pro temporary. | 00:15:12 | |
And other than that? | 00:15:19 | |
That's about it. | 00:15:21 | |
Have a good meeting. | 00:15:22 | |
Alright, well, thank you. | 00:15:23 | |
We now come to item 5 on the agenda, general public comment. | 00:15:26 | |
General public comment must deal with matters subject to the jurisdiction of the City. | 00:15:31 | |
And the Planning Commission, but are not on the agenda this evening. | 00:15:35 | |
This is also an appropriate time to comment on items in the consent agenda. | 00:15:39 | |
But only if the speaker does not wish to have the item pulled for consideration by this Commission. | 00:15:43 | |
Comments from the public will be limited to 3 minutes per speaker and will not receive Commission action. | 00:15:49 | |
Comments regarding an item on the agenda will be heard later, at the time of the Commission's consideration of that item. | 00:15:56 | |
Before we continue, I believe there are several letters and emails in our agenda packet. | 00:16:03 | |
They are mainly included in the. | 00:16:08 | |
A relative subject. | 00:16:12 | |
In the packet. | 00:16:14 | |
Our administrative technician, Debbie Gonzales, also keeps a copy of all communications. | 00:16:15 | |
Of our Commission in a binder in our office, So that's always available. | 00:16:22 | |
So would anyone like to address the Commission on matters not on the agenda? | 00:16:27 | |
Welcome. | 00:16:37 | |
My name is Vince Tuminello. | 00:16:44 | |
And I'm here tonight to make a general. | 00:16:47 | |
Oral communication. | 00:16:50 | |
About some activity that's taking place in a non official capacity. | 00:16:52 | |
By a group of resident neighbors. | 00:16:57 | |
Not only here in Pacific Grove, but around the state. | 00:17:00 | |
And we've had some meetings at Casually in a non official capacity with residents of Carmel. | 00:17:04 | |
Who are much more organized. | 00:17:12 | |
Then the residents of Pacific Grove and many times remain quiet and and don't choose to participate in Planning Commission, City | 00:17:15 | |
Council or other meetings. | 00:17:20 | |
And my topic tonight is to alert you. | 00:17:26 | |
That there is an organization which is doing wonderful work. | 00:17:29 | |
Called Our Neighborhood Voices and they have a website Our Neighborhood Voices. | 00:17:33 | |
Dot com spelled just like it is one word our neighborhoodvoices.com And what's the issue? I wish to talk about this group among | 00:17:39 | |
local residents and residents from other communities. | 00:17:45 | |
Has the objective to do our best to have a completed initiative. | 00:17:52 | |
Which will block. | 00:17:59 | |
The mandate by the state which is imposing on Pacific Grove to override. | 00:18:01 | |
Many of our local ordinances zoning, water, sewage and other. | 00:18:07 | |
Operations that take place in the city. | 00:18:12 | |
And to force us as a city. | 00:18:14 | |
And to you, we'll be participating in the procedures of developing this policy. | 00:18:17 | |
If you're allowed by the state and to the extent that you're allowed by the state, and we find this to be abhorrent. | 00:18:22 | |
Many of our local residents are not fully informed as to what it's all about. | 00:18:29 | |
So I want to refer you as individuals, you as commissioners and everyone in the city. | 00:18:33 | |
That they need to take a look on the Internet at our neighborhoodvoices.com who's putting together an initiative? | 00:18:40 | |
To block and void the state mandate. | 00:18:48 | |
Which? | 00:18:53 | |
Is taking control of the development of the city away from city. | 00:18:54 | |
And putting it in the hands of the state. | 00:18:59 | |
Overriding many of the things we've become accustomed to, like planning that would involve consideration of our character, our | 00:19:01 | |
resources, and our ability to provide for any further development. Now you may have heard that as a casual way. | 00:19:10 | |
That the state is mandating that the City of Pacific Grove provide 1200. | 00:19:20 | |
New units and this is under the illusion that these are going to be low and affordable income units and that's really not the | 00:19:26 | |
import that's taking place here, the numbers that came up with this 1100. | 00:19:33 | |
A new unit concept was originally developed by a subcommittee of Ambac. | 00:19:40 | |
The Association of Monterey Bay. | 00:19:46 | |
A MB A/C Association of Monterey Bay Governments and in at that time. This is several decades ago. They're subcommittee. | 00:19:49 | |
Worked to develop what they thought was going to be necessary in the future and they came up with this number of 1100. It was not | 00:19:59 | |
a unanimous vote. Many of the. | 00:20:04 | |
Participants in that committee found a lot of disdain for that recommendation. So if you, as a local member of the community or as | 00:20:09 | |
a body as a commissioner, find that, it's very unreasonable for the state to come down and force us. | 00:20:17 | |
To build 1100 new units without any consideration for the quality of life, the parking, the sewage, the water. | 00:20:26 | |
The architectural design and so forth. I encourage all of you to visit the website Our Neighborhood Voices. | 00:20:35 | |
And when that. | 00:20:42 | |
Referendum is presented to you that you would support it as a body, as an individual resident. | 00:20:44 | |
And that we could gather signatures to put this on the ballot. | 00:20:49 | |
So that the residents can stop this ridiculous mandate to overbuild. | 00:20:53 | |
Without local control in the city of Pacific Grove. Thank you so much. Thank you. | 00:20:59 | |
Is there anyone else? | 00:21:05 | |
Welcome. | 00:21:09 | |
Good evening, planning commissioners. My name is Adam Pinterest. I'm the government and community affairs director for the | 00:21:16 | |
Monterey County Association of Realtors. | 00:21:19 | |
And I'm addressing item agenda, item 6A on the consent agenda. I do not want it pulled. | 00:21:23 | |
I just want to appreciate staff for putting together a very thorough report and gathering information on this subject. I look | 00:21:29 | |
forward to learning more. In other jurisdictions, community land trusts have proven an effective and creative way. | 00:21:34 | |
For creating more affordable housing, which has been identified as a clear need and challenge for this community. | 00:21:40 | |
And so I look forward to learning more and I hope the Commission proceeds with this in a thoughtful manner with an emphasis on | 00:21:46 | |
housing. Thank you. | 00:21:49 | |
Thank you. | 00:21:53 | |
Is there anybody virtually Mr. Campbell, who would like to speak? | 00:21:56 | |
Ohh. I'm sorry. Please come ahead. | 00:22:01 | |
Didn't see you. | 00:22:03 | |
Welcome. | 00:22:09 | |
This is Judy Cole. I'm a resident of Pacific Grove. | 00:22:13 | |
And I want to personally thank Commissioner Sawyer, and I believe it's Navinsky and. | 00:22:17 | |
Ohh, I'm sorry. Thank you. | 00:22:25 | |
Magic button some here. | 00:22:27 | |
I don't know. | 00:22:29 | |
It's on, you just talk into it. | 00:22:30 | |
Yeah, but you need this. If I do this right, so the the wrong time. OK, backing up just a little bit. First of all, my name is | 00:22:34 | |
Judy Cole. I am a resident of Pacific Girl and I'd like to personally thank. | 00:22:40 | |
Uh, the Story Poll committee for moving forward in such an expedient manner, I didn't realize you would be on the agenda because | 00:22:47 | |
it was an agenda. Aize. | 00:22:53 | |
But I appreciate the update and one of the reasons I appreciate the update is that the story polls can have a significant effect | 00:22:58 | |
on properties here in PG and currently there's a property that has a. | 00:23:06 | |
A lot of story polls up that then they blow down in the wind. And so I've been looking at it closely and realize that so many | 00:23:13 | |
people in the community may not have seen the story polls that were placed and what criteria was being used to place the story | 00:23:21 | |
poles. But to me, from what Commissioner Sawyer said today, they're doing an extensive researching of this project and looking | 00:23:29 | |
into certification. | 00:23:37 | |
For example, using someone. | 00:23:44 | |
I would assume would be a civil engineer type company to establish that the height of the poles etcetera. So I think you're on the | 00:23:47 | |
right track. | 00:23:52 | |
And I want to thank you very much. And I think there's it's, is it Mr. Commissioner Cooper? Yes, thank you. | 00:23:57 | |
That's it. | 00:24:06 | |
Thank you. Thank you. | 00:24:07 | |
Thanks. | 00:24:09 | |
Is there anyone else in the audience who would like to speak? | 00:24:13 | |
If not, is there anybody on the Zoom or whatever we call it, Mr. | 00:24:17 | |
Campbell, We have Mike Gibbs. | 00:24:23 | |
I believe he did raise his hand. | 00:24:26 | |
Welcome. | 00:24:28 | |
Good evening, Planning Commission Chairman Lily and everybody else else. Appreciate your service. | 00:24:32 | |
This is Mike Gibbs. I'm a member of the Pacific Grove Economic Development. | 00:24:38 | |
Commission. I'm here talking on my own behalf. | 00:24:43 | |
And I would like to 2nd Mr. Tuminello's remarks about Neighborhood Voices. If you haven't seen it, go to it. | 00:24:46 | |
And they're they're building a referendum to put on a state ballot in the next election. It's critical that you vote to overturn | 00:24:53 | |
the state mandate. However, I'm here to talk about something else. The Economic Development Commission for Pacific Grove is | 00:24:58 | |
beginning a. | 00:25:03 | |
Long and probably arduous journey to. | 00:25:08 | |
Help but think about what the strategic, economic, strategic goals are for the city. | 00:25:11 | |
And I would encourage everybody to attend Economic Development Commission meetings. The next one is September the 7th. | 00:25:17 | |
Ohh, that's a Thursday 1st Thursday at 4:00 PM and basically the, you know, the broadview is to make Pacific Grove one of the most | 00:25:24 | |
wonderful and unique cities in the world. Even better. | 00:25:29 | |
A place to live, workshop and visit. | 00:25:35 | |
And part of the research for this and this, I think the Planning Commission will be interested in this. | 00:25:39 | |
There have been a number of studies about cities in the category of Pacific Grove. | 00:25:44 | |
You know great little places to live and work and visit. | 00:25:49 | |
And it turns out there's a list of seven things that make it a really. | 00:25:52 | |
A great thing, and I think we're going to try to. | 00:25:56 | |
Focus on these as they are in in our planning process. | 00:25:59 | |
The first is a greater awareness of local entrepreneurship. | 00:26:03 | |
And how do we support it as a city? | 00:26:06 | |
#2 Working with local community colleges like Hartnell, MPC and. | 00:26:09 | |
And others to encourage entrepreneurship. | 00:26:15 | |
As a career path. | 00:26:18 | |
#3 Success Item number 3 for these great vibrant cities train young people and skills that major employers. | 00:26:20 | |
And use and demand. | 00:26:27 | |
Unique item number four is focus on unique innovative industries and we have a couple here in a mini here in Pacific Grove that we | 00:26:30 | |
need to continue and grow. | 00:26:35 | |
Success factor #5 is really pay attention to refine the central value proposition. There'll be a lot of discussion. | 00:26:40 | |
About what that value proposition is specifically, what makes it such a great place, and there's a variety of issues. | 00:26:47 | |
But I think among the things that the features that we have is the 4 miles of shoreline between us, a Solimar and the aquarium. | 00:26:54 | |
We have the lighthouse, which is one of the oldest functioning in in the United States. We have a wonderful museum. | 00:27:01 | |
We have the only Carnegie library left in Monterey County. Don't know if you knew that. | 00:27:08 | |
And who doesn't play golf, or at least like to go out and walk on the golf course? What a great place. | 00:27:13 | |
Item number six is just recognizing importance of arts and museums. | 00:27:18 | |
In Pacific Grove and item number seven for success. | 00:27:22 | |
Is to constantly evaluate this portfolio of assets. | 00:27:25 | |
These features that people love. | 00:27:29 | |
About Pacific Grove and keep them up on the front and advertise and market the heck out of those things when we get a chance. So | 00:27:31 | |
Planning Commission, you have a lot of work ahead of you. I appreciate your time and thank you for all being here. | 00:27:37 | |
Thank you. | 00:27:44 | |
England, Lawrence and Dahmer welcome. | 00:27:49 | |
Thank you. | 00:27:55 | |
I would have expected a planner, Campbell. | 00:27:57 | |
To have corrected his minutes and issued an errata sheet. | 00:28:02 | |
Which they were very much an omission, and I wrote a letter to the Planning Commission and to him. | 00:28:06 | |
And that didn't happen. | 00:28:13 | |
And. | 00:28:16 | |
We have. | 00:28:17 | |
Small enough action minutes. | 00:28:19 | |
That it, they need to be accurate. | 00:28:24 | |
Transparent. | 00:28:27 | |
And in as much detail as action minutes. | 00:28:29 | |
Can give. | 00:28:33 | |
Which includes public comment. | 00:28:34 | |
Unfortunately, I'm kind of noticing that. | 00:28:37 | |
That his omissions on the minutes have happened on. | 00:28:40 | |
Items that the Planning Commission did not agree with the staff recommendation. | 00:28:45 | |
And on items that unfortunately I'm going to take this personally that I have commented. | 00:28:50 | |
Adversely on. | 00:28:57 | |
And I will want to pull. | 00:28:58 | |
The July 13th. | 00:29:02 | |
Minutes. | 00:29:05 | |
As they have not been corrected on the consent agenda. | 00:29:06 | |
And I just want to. | 00:29:10 | |
Reiterate. | 00:29:13 | |
That we need. | 00:29:14 | |
Detailed transparency and accuracy. | 00:29:16 | |
And. | 00:29:21 | |
That has to happen and we don't know what's going to turn up of Ohh. Well, we corrected them. Well, what does? We corrected them. | 00:29:22 | |
Mean. | 00:29:30 | |
So I would like to know and I'd like to encourage you. | 00:29:31 | |
To follow up on this. | 00:29:35 | |
And thank you. | 00:29:38 | |
Commissioner Sawyer for the lovely. | 00:29:40 | |
Story Polls Subcommittee. | 00:29:43 | |
Update which was impromptu and and much appreciated because this is something that. | 00:29:48 | |
Is just it's it's a wonderful way to move forward. | 00:29:54 | |
In all those ways, thank you very much. | 00:29:59 | |
Thank you. | 00:30:03 | |
We have Tony Chiani. | 00:30:06 | |
Welcome. | 00:30:08 | |
Good evening, Commissioners staff. | 00:30:12 | |
Agenda item 5A. | 00:30:15 | |
About public comment as big. | 00:30:18 | |
Despite what was said earlier. | 00:30:21 | |
The recommended action. | 00:30:23 | |
Is to receive correspondence. | 00:30:25 | |
But it is unclear what correspondence, if any. | 00:30:28 | |
The commissioners. | 00:30:31 | |
It's not published. | 00:30:33 | |
Not only should the Commissioners know. | 00:30:35 | |
For sure. | 00:30:37 | |
What public comments were sent? | 00:30:39 | |
So should the general public. | 00:30:42 | |
On a separate item. | 00:30:45 | |
The Environmental Enhancement Fund has been part of the city's annual budget. | 00:30:47 | |
For many years. | 00:30:52 | |
The funding sources appear to. | 00:30:53 | |
Reflect grants. | 00:30:55 | |
Or private contributions. | 00:30:56 | |
Or environmental mitigation funds. | 00:30:59 | |
I believe there should be a clear and simple accounting. | 00:31:03 | |
Of the funds income. | 00:31:07 | |
And expenses? | 00:31:09 | |
As money in, money out. | 00:31:10 | |
Where it comes from? | 00:31:14 | |
And where it's spent. | 00:31:16 | |
I also believe the Planning Commission. | 00:31:19 | |
Should be responsible for that fund. | 00:31:22 | |
Including a Citizens Advisory committee. | 00:31:25 | |
And I recommend. | 00:31:28 | |
That it should be codified. | 00:31:30 | |
With a mission based. | 00:31:32 | |
On the General plan. | 00:31:34 | |
And local coastal programs, conservation policies and goals. | 00:31:36 | |
Not as a public. | 00:31:42 | |
Uh. | 00:31:44 | |
Uh. | 00:31:45 | |
Public works Capital funding source. | 00:31:46 | |
#3 | 00:31:50 | |
I'm concerned about. | 00:31:52 | |
The Environmental Quality of Crespi Pond. | 00:31:54 | |
And the surrounding wetlands. | 00:31:57 | |
I believe the Planning Commission. | 00:31:59 | |
Should take the leadership. | 00:32:01 | |
For the protection and restoration. | 00:32:02 | |
Of the Crispy Pond wetland. | 00:32:04 | |
Frankly. | 00:32:07 | |
I believe the Public Works Department. | 00:32:08 | |
Has a difficult role when it comes to managing. | 00:32:11 | |
The city's natural resources. | 00:32:14 | |
Or belt resources. | 00:32:16 | |
Like the state of California. | 00:32:18 | |
Parks and Recreation Department. | 00:32:20 | |
PG. | 00:32:23 | |
Should consider. | 00:32:24 | |
Some a similar mission. | 00:32:26 | |
The California mission is. | 00:32:28 | |
To provide. | 00:32:30 | |
For. | 00:32:31 | |
This is a quote to provide for the help. | 00:32:32 | |
Inspiration. | 00:32:35 | |
Education. | 00:32:36 | |
Of the people of California. | 00:32:38 | |
By helping preserve the states. | 00:32:40 | |
Extraordinary biological diversity. | 00:32:42 | |
Protecting its most valued natural and cultural resources and creating opportunities. | 00:32:46 | |
For high quality outdoor recommendation. | 00:32:52 | |
But Solamar State Park is a good example for that. | 00:32:55 | |
Nevertheless. | 00:32:59 | |
Crispy pond requires A conservation plan. | 00:33:00 | |
To improve its ecology. | 00:33:04 | |
And overall health? | 00:33:06 | |
Please do that. Thank you. | 00:33:08 | |
Thank you. | 00:33:10 | |
David O'Neill, welcome. | 00:33:16 | |
I'm speaking to you tonight is a local, full-time Peninsula resident. | 00:33:22 | |
I also serve on the board of the. | 00:33:26 | |
Carmel Residents Association and volunteer for Meals on Wheels and with the Colonel Police Department. | 00:33:28 | |
I'd like to affirm the previous comment regarding our neighborhood voices. | 00:33:34 | |
I belong to a strong group in Carmel by the Sea who support our neighbourhood voices as well. | 00:33:38 | |
Today I noticed that the World Atlas named Pacific Grove and Carmel, two of the seven most beautiful towns in California. | 00:33:44 | |
Unfortunately, some developers have been working hard to disguise their greens. | 00:33:53 | |
Behind the roots of affordable housing. | 00:33:57 | |
And taking away local rights in the process. | 00:34:00 | |
The state constitution gives municipalities the right to govern their own development. | 00:34:03 | |
But now we can't stop developers from building whatever they want. | 00:34:08 | |
Wherever they want. | 00:34:12 | |
Without even contributing to new transit. | 00:34:13 | |
Parkings Boulder Rd. | 00:34:16 | |
What will our communities look like if developers are allowed to do as they please? | 00:34:18 | |
If the state is allowed to control this. | 00:34:24 | |
What else will they try to control? | 00:34:26 | |
All of this is justified because our population is supposedly going to explode. | 00:34:29 | |
But the California State auditor? | 00:34:35 | |
Found that the outrageous population projections were based on false data. | 00:34:37 | |
Now, affordable housing is important. | 00:34:42 | |
But we can't turn our local planning over to private profiteers. | 00:34:45 | |
We are required to fulfill our plan for the housing element to avoid state penalties without developers from enacting the builders | 00:34:50 | |
remedy to build without any restrictions. | 00:34:55 | |
But I ask you to alter protect your community by joining our Neighborhood Voices. | 00:35:00 | |
It's a coalition of thousands of California neighborhood leaders. | 00:35:05 | |
Creating an initiative to be put on the 24 ballot. | 00:35:08 | |
If reported by activists. | 00:35:11 | |
Person. | 00:35:13 | |
Content politicians and nonprofits. | 00:35:14 | |
All trying to put local power back in your hands. | 00:35:17 | |
In the hand of local citizens. | 00:35:21 | |
Who love their communities and want the best for them. | 00:35:24 | |
Thank you all for your service. | 00:35:27 | |
Thank you. | 00:35:30 | |
We have Marsha. OK, welcome Marsha. | 00:35:34 | |
Thank you, Mr. Chair. | 00:35:39 | |
Apologize. | 00:35:43 | |
I just lost that Marsha. | 00:35:45 | |
Jumping around, there we go. | 00:35:49 | |
Are you there? Yes. | 00:35:52 | |
Thank you, Mr. Chair and Commissioners. | 00:35:54 | |
I want to echo the comments, the eloquent comments made by Mr. Tim Monello. | 00:35:59 | |
Mr. O'Neill. | 00:36:07 | |
And Mr. Gibbs, regarding our neighborhood. | 00:36:08 | |
Voices, I think it's it's very important, particularly in PG, a charter city. | 00:36:12 | |
To. | 00:36:20 | |
To fight for. | 00:36:23 | |
Local land use. | 00:36:25 | |
Central planning never works. | 00:36:29 | |
The Soviet Union is a perfect example of the failures of. | 00:36:32 | |
Of central planning. | 00:36:38 | |
I hope. | 00:36:40 | |
People who are zooming this meeting and yourselves. | 00:36:42 | |
Will look into. | 00:36:47 | |
The website. | 00:36:49 | |
And uh. | 00:36:50 | |
And in terms of. | 00:36:52 | |
Affordable housing. | 00:36:55 | |
As others have noted, it seems like it's. | 00:36:58 | |
Motherhood and apple pie. | 00:37:03 | |
Kind of front. | 00:37:05 | |
For. | 00:37:08 | |
You know developers. | 00:37:10 | |
And trade unions and their Initially it was to be. | 00:37:11 | |
Implemented because of growing populations and massive new jobs? Well, that's turned out to be false. | 00:37:20 | |
And and though. | 00:37:29 | |
Affordable housing may be needed. | 00:37:31 | |
On a on a More. | 00:37:34 | |
Reduced level. | 00:37:36 | |
We have to keep in mind that any time we take grants from the state. | 00:37:39 | |
It means we have to play by the states rules. | 00:37:44 | |
And so local. | 00:37:47 | |
People may not be eligible. May not act, They'll be eligible. | 00:37:49 | |
But. | 00:37:54 | |
Typically what will happen is that. | 00:37:55 | |
Anyone can apply for affordable housing who resides in California, and then there'll be a lottery. | 00:37:58 | |
And. | 00:38:06 | |
So I think people are misled. | 00:38:07 | |
By. | 00:38:11 | |
You know, the possibility of actually being able to get into the affordable housing in PG just because you're a longtime resident. | 00:38:12 | |
So I think it's really important to return. | 00:38:22 | |
Local. | 00:38:26 | |
Our power to our local representatives and boards. | 00:38:27 | |
And commissions like yourselves. | 00:38:32 | |
Thank you very much. | 00:38:34 | |
Thank you. | 00:38:37 | |
We have Lisa Chiani. | 00:38:41 | |
Welcome. | 00:38:43 | |
Thank you. | 00:38:46 | |
I just want to add to the expressions of appreciation for Commissioner Sawyers update on the story poll. | 00:38:48 | |
Ordinance because. | 00:38:59 | |
That's it's been a long time coming and and it's so very needed. So it's it's good to hear about the progress with that and. | 00:39:00 | |
And I also want to express appreciation for her. | 00:39:11 | |
Continued. | 00:39:17 | |
Attention to this situation at the Great Tide Pool Restoration trail restoration area and trail it. It's really shameful that the | 00:39:21 | |
city has let this go on for seven months. The the. | 00:39:30 | |
Public public safety issue there. | 00:39:38 | |
Commissioner Sawyer pointed out not only. | 00:39:42 | |
Now now we're back to rebar sticking out but. | 00:39:46 | |
No warning that that. | 00:39:51 | |
That nice DG trail that starts out from the South side of or yeah, South side of the Great Tide pool. | 00:39:54 | |
And goes goes along. | 00:40:02 | |
There's no warning that it abruptly is going to drop off. | 00:40:03 | |
Umm. | 00:40:07 | |
So. | 00:40:07 | |
It it's just hard to understand. | 00:40:09 | |
How this could go on for seven months and then furthermore the the failure to just put back up? | 00:40:12 | |
The rod and cable fencing to protect the dune restoration and the endangered species. | 00:40:21 | |
In our local coastal program. | 00:40:31 | |
Staff when that was being developed. | 00:40:34 | |
Really didn't want to protect anything more than endangered species and here we're not even protecting those. There will be | 00:40:37 | |
something done about this in the in the wildlife protection. | 00:40:44 | |
Amendments that are being proposed. | 00:40:53 | |
For our LCP. | 00:40:55 | |
But in any case. | 00:40:57 | |
I know it's you. You've said now it's going to be on your next agenda. | 00:41:00 | |
But it shouldn't even be waiting for that. | 00:41:05 | |
Public works should be on that. | 00:41:08 | |
Right now. | 00:41:10 | |
And I, if we don't have a provision for that in our LCP, we really need to do something about that fast. | 00:41:11 | |
Alright, thank you. | 00:41:20 | |
Thank you. | 00:41:22 | |
You know, further questions online. | 00:41:25 | |
OK. Thank you. Then I will. | 00:41:27 | |
Close that item or we'll move on to the consent agenda. | 00:41:30 | |
The consent agenda deals with routine and non controversial matters. | 00:41:33 | |
May include actions on resolutions or ordinances. | 00:41:38 | |
And other public hearings for which testimony is not anticipated. | 00:41:41 | |
We have 4 items on the consent agenda this evening. | 00:41:46 | |
The first two items are for information only under item 6A. | 00:41:50 | |
Is web links about community land trusts that I? | 00:41:56 | |
Came across and. | 00:42:00 | |
Requested and. | 00:42:02 | |
Director Wyatt was gracious enough to put this. | 00:42:04 | |
Information on the agenda for information. | 00:42:07 | |
Perhaps we will consider that when we get into the housing development element. | 00:42:11 | |
Discussion in October. | 00:42:17 | |
Under Item 6B is an updated Planning Commission 2023 Work Plan, which. | 00:42:19 | |
We update every month. | 00:42:24 | |
The third item 7A is minutes from our June 8th, 2023 meeting. | 00:42:26 | |
And the 4th is minutes as well. Item 7B minutes from our July 13th, 2023 meeting. | 00:42:31 | |
Both the minutes require some action or something along those lines I suppose. | 00:42:38 | |
So would any. | 00:42:44 | |
Commissioner would like to remove any of these items from the consent agenda. Commissioner Sawyer. | 00:42:46 | |
I would like to pull and continue. | 00:42:53 | |
7A and 7B until. | 00:42:58 | |
September or October until they are corrected. | 00:43:02 | |
OK. Those two items are pulled. | 00:43:06 | |
Does it? | 00:43:10 | |
Is there any other polling from the Consent agenda? Vice Chair Murphy? | 00:43:10 | |
If I could ask Commissioner Sawyer. | 00:43:16 | |
I I think under our rules. | 00:43:19 | |
You know, minor, straightforward connections, corrections to the minutes. | 00:43:23 | |
And could. | 00:43:28 | |
Could be done now. | 00:43:29 | |
And I wonder if. | 00:43:32 | |
It makes sense to try to do that. | 00:43:35 | |
These are not minor corrections. | 00:43:37 | |
Right. | 00:43:42 | |
Any other? | 00:43:44 | |
Commissioner, wish to pull it. | 00:43:46 | |
One of the two remaining items. | 00:43:48 | |
All right. Would any staff member like to remove either of the remaining two items? | 00:43:51 | |
OK. | 00:43:57 | |
Would any member of the audience? | 00:43:58 | |
Either in person or remotely. | 00:44:00 | |
Like to remove either other. | 00:44:02 | |
Either of the two items remaining meaning on the consent agenda. | 00:44:05 | |
Hearing none, it looks like we have. | 00:44:10 | |
Lisa Chang, Sorry and up. | 00:44:14 | |
I didn't see the hand. Ohh, there's three hands. Ohh my. | 00:44:16 | |
Lisa Chiani. | 00:44:23 | |
Yeah. | 00:44:25 | |
I'm muted. | 00:44:26 | |
Can you hear me? | 00:44:28 | |
Yes. | 00:44:30 | |
Ohh OK I wanted to pull 6A. | 00:44:31 | |
Six day, all right. | 00:44:35 | |
We have intolerance and Dumber. | 00:44:39 | |
I just wanted to make very certain that 7B is pulled. | 00:44:44 | |
Thank you very much. | 00:44:49 | |
Thank you. | 00:44:51 | |
That looks to be it. | 00:44:55 | |
All right. So the only item remaining on the consent agenda is the Planning Commission 2023 Work plan. | 00:44:58 | |
So may I have a motion to approve the one item on the consent agenda? | 00:45:06 | |
I move that we. | 00:45:12 | |
Approve item. | 00:45:13 | |
6B The only item remaining on the consent agenda so that the motion by Vice Chair Murphy is to approve the consent agenda with. | 00:45:15 | |
Item 6B Or second to that motion. | 00:45:23 | |
And Commissioner Dzinski seconded that motion. | 00:45:27 | |
Is there any further discussion? | 00:45:30 | |
OK. | 00:45:34 | |
If not, Mr. Campbell, would you please call the roll? | 00:45:35 | |
Vice Chair Murphy. | 00:45:39 | |
Aye. | 00:45:41 | |
Chairman Izinski. | 00:45:43 | |
Aye, chair Lily. | 00:45:44 | |
Commissioner Sawyer. | 00:45:48 | |
Aye. | 00:45:49 | |
Commissioner Davison. | 00:45:49 | |
Aye. | 00:45:51 | |
Commissioner Kubica. | 00:45:52 | |
We have six eyes, 0 nays and one absent. The motion passes. | 00:45:54 | |
All right. Let me raise a point of order. Well, first of all, let me reiterate. | 00:46:01 | |
Mr. Campbell's comment that the motion passed. | 00:46:07 | |
6. | 00:46:11 | |
To zero with one absence. | 00:46:13 | |
That means there are four three items pulled from the consent agenda. | 00:46:16 | |
I believe that was. | 00:46:20 | |
6A7A and 7B. | 00:46:21 | |
Do we need this may be a question for legal counsel. Do we need to? | 00:46:26 | |
Pass a motion on 7A and B because. | 00:46:31 | |
Commissioners Sawyer. | 00:46:36 | |
In her comments said that they should be removed and continued. | 00:46:38 | |
Until a later meeting. So do we need to pass a motion to that effect or is that just? | 00:46:42 | |
What do we do? | 00:46:48 | |
Well, it depends on what the Commission wants to do. | 00:46:50 | |
Would be a motion, I suppose, that could be made. | 00:46:55 | |
To continue those items. | 00:46:59 | |
To a future meeting, either a date certain or to be determined. | 00:47:01 | |
And then you could vote on that motion and if that motion fails, then you would consider them tonight. | 00:47:05 | |
All right. | 00:47:12 | |
So they have been removed. As far as as Item 6A, I I would just talk at that. | 00:47:13 | |
Further down in the agenda, I think that's just a a matter of discussion and doesn't need any action on it. | 00:47:19 | |
But 7A and B appear that they may, and that's why I asked the question. | 00:47:25 | |
So I would last like to ask what the pleasure of the Commission is regarding that Commissioner Sawyer. | 00:47:30 | |
You pulled them. Do you have a a motion or a comment or something? | 00:47:35 | |
I would like to make a motion to pull and continue. | 00:47:40 | |
The minutes for June 8th and the minutes for July 13th until. | 00:47:45 | |
They are corrected and I'm hoping that we can get that done by September. | 00:47:51 | |
And that would be September 14th. | 00:47:59 | |
Correct. So would you like to make that part of your motion that they be? | 00:48:01 | |
Corrected and presented for approval by September 14th, the 7th or on the September 14th meeting. I'll amend that. It's a friendly | 00:48:06 | |
amendment and I accept it. Thank you. So the motion then is to continue item 7A and 7B to September 14th. | 00:48:15 | |
The the those are minutes that would be corrected. Is there a second to that motion? | 00:48:24 | |
Seconded by Mr. or Commissioner Kubica. | 00:48:29 | |
So is there discussion on this matter? | 00:48:33 | |
Vice Chair Murphy. | 00:48:37 | |
8. | 00:48:39 | |
I guess I wonder how this correction will miraculously happen. | 00:48:40 | |
And I would ask again. | 00:48:44 | |
Umm. | 00:48:46 | |
Whether this is something we could just hand off tonight rather than putting it off. | 00:48:48 | |
Do you want me to get started on all the corrections that need to be done on each of them? They're pretty major. | 00:48:52 | |
They're not insignificant if we if we don't. | 00:49:00 | |
And and I would be more than happy to work with the staff to help correct these because I have written an e-mail. | 00:49:03 | |
Last month correcting the one and it did not happen. | 00:49:11 | |
Because we have some major omissions. | 00:49:17 | |
And corrections. | 00:49:20 | |
OK. Thank you. | 00:49:23 | |
OK, is there any other discussion? I I I suppose this becomes a question again as I say my favorite words have become what is the | 00:49:24 | |
pleasure of the Commission regarding this? | 00:49:28 | |
It sounds like. | 00:49:33 | |
Commissioner Sawyer. | 00:49:35 | |
Is ready, willing and able to work with staff to. | 00:49:37 | |
I'll insert my impression quickly. | 00:49:40 | |
Make these changes so that they can be docketed and brought forward to us and so that there's no further delay. | 00:49:43 | |
Because I don't. | 00:49:49 | |
Like that there's. | 00:49:50 | |
Delay. | 00:49:51 | |
And these minutes. But they have to be accurate too. | 00:49:52 | |
So. | 00:49:55 | |
If if there's no further discussion, then I I think we have a motion on the floor. It was and it was seconded by. | 00:49:57 | |
Mr. | 00:50:04 | |
By Commissioner Kubica, So we have a motion on the floor. | 00:50:06 | |
Do you have further comment? | 00:50:10 | |
And at the risk of putting. | 00:50:13 | |
Staff on the spot. | 00:50:15 | |
Is what, Commissioner? | 00:50:18 | |
Sorry is proposing. | 00:50:20 | |
Does that make sense to you guys? | 00:50:24 | |
As long as I I think one of the. | 00:50:28 | |
Responses that I've given both to. | 00:50:33 | |
Chair Lillian, Commissioner. | 00:50:36 | |
Sawyer. Is that as long as? | 00:50:38 | |
Are corrections. | 00:50:41 | |
Are in line with action minutes. | 00:50:43 | |
I think one of the things that's very important to recognize. | 00:50:46 | |
Is that we are now mirroring what the City Council does with their minutes. | 00:50:49 | |
And. | 00:50:54 | |
Giving in a little bit more so the only things that really could be. | 00:50:56 | |
And a little bit more. | 00:51:01 | |
The votes. | 00:51:02 | |
No, in June the order of the Minutes is incorrect. | 00:51:04 | |
There's multiple multiple issues. | 00:51:10 | |
And I would be more than happy to sit down and talk with you and we can correct it. It won't take very long. If you sending me the | 00:51:13 | |
corrections, I'll sit down with the clerk, the city clerk and we'll we'll go over them with her because I I have sent them to you | 00:51:18 | |
previously and they were not corrected. | 00:51:23 | |
And that's the concern. | 00:51:29 | |
I just want our minutes to be correct and again, I I just want to make sure that what? | 00:51:30 | |
Is being asked is appropriate for these wasn't about action minutes, it was about the order in which things were heard. | 00:51:35 | |
Yeah. | 00:51:45 | |
Send that to you. | 00:51:47 | |
Sure. Thank you. Thank you at this point. | 00:51:48 | |
People in. | 00:51:52 | |
Involved with this and made their point. So if there's no further discussion then Mr. Campbell, can you please call the roll? | 00:51:53 | |
Yes, we have, Commissioner Sawyer. | 00:52:05 | |
Aye. | 00:52:08 | |
Sure, Kubica. | 00:52:10 | |
Sorry, chair, Chair, Commissioner Sawyer, Commissioner Kubrick, sorry about that. | 00:52:11 | |
Commissioner Nijinsky. | 00:52:20 | |
Aye. | 00:52:21 | |
Point of order. How did Commissioner Kubica voted? He voted. Aye. Ohh. He did. I'm sorry. Yeah. | 00:52:22 | |
Commissioner Davison. | 00:52:29 | |
Aye. | 00:52:31 | |
Chair Murphy. | 00:52:33 | |
Sure Sawyer, Lily. Sorry. | 00:52:36 | |
All over the place. | 00:52:40 | |
With Six Eyes 0 nays 1. Absent the motion to continue the minutes from July or June 8th and July 13th. | 00:52:43 | |
To September 14th passes. | 00:52:53 | |
OK. | 00:52:55 | |
Then the motion, as Mr. Campbell said, passes and I look forward to that being on our agenda. | 00:52:56 | |
Properly corrected on September 14th. | 00:53:03 | |
That means then that Item 6A I will put down under item. | 00:53:09 | |
Let me see if I can get this straight. | 00:53:15 | |
I believe that would be 7B. | 00:53:17 | |
Hmm. | 00:53:20 | |
Order that would still be on consent. | 00:53:21 | |
88B8B, I'm sorry. OK, so that will be 8B. | 00:53:24 | |
All right. | 00:53:32 | |
So 6A becomes 8B. | 00:53:33 | |
We are now to the regular agenda. This evening we have. | 00:53:40 | |
The draft Cannabis Ordinance review. | 00:53:44 | |
And. | 00:53:48 | |
This is an item that. | 00:53:50 | |
Goes back to May 17th. | 00:53:53 | |
2023, when the City Council reviewed these ordinances. | 00:53:55 | |
Answered a number of questions posed by the staff. | 00:54:01 | |
But then referred both ordinances to the Planning Commission for review and comment. | 00:54:05 | |
And so we have this before us this evening. I also believe that staff has prepared. | 00:54:11 | |
An agenda? | 00:54:17 | |
Item for this I think it's. They have a. | 00:54:19 | |
PowerPoint. | 00:54:25 | |
They. | 00:54:27 | |
Staff without. | 00:54:28 | |
Stealing Mr. Campbell's Thunder, are you? Suppose he wants to present it? | 00:54:30 | |
Proposes that we look at. | 00:54:34 | |
Chiefly 3 issues and and certainly they are important issues. | 00:54:36 | |
I also myself went through both ordinances because of the mandate from the. | 00:54:41 | |
City Council and looked at both ordinances and came up with 10 pages of questions. | 00:54:47 | |
And I. | 00:54:52 | |
Structured them. | 00:54:54 | |
Along the lines of what? | 00:54:55 | |
Do you want to do not really take into position, but obviously saw? | 00:54:57 | |
Discrepancies or issues that needed to be addressed. | 00:55:01 | |
And that included the three items that are. | 00:55:04 | |
In the. | 00:55:07 | |
Staffs. | 00:55:09 | |
Report this evening as well. So with that, Mister Campbell, would you like to proceed with your presentation? And then we'll go | 00:55:10 | |
from there. | 00:55:13 | |
Well, thank you. | 00:55:18 | |
Chair, Lillian, Commissioners. | 00:55:19 | |
Back again before this is a Draft Cannabis Zoning Ordinance review. | 00:55:23 | |
Umm. | 00:55:27 | |
And as Chair Lily mentioned tonight, the review is to review the proposed draft Cannabis Zoning Ordinance and provide the | 00:55:29 | |
following recommendations focusing mainly on these three. | 00:55:34 | |
Uh. | 00:55:40 | |
With regards to zoning. | 00:55:40 | |
One which specific zones? | 00:55:43 | |
Should cannabis retailers be allowed? | 00:55:45 | |
To Should any additional separation requirements beyond the 1000 foot from schools, daycares and youth centers be recommended for | 00:55:48 | |
cannabis business? | 00:55:52 | |
And should additional parameters be considered on delivery only medicinal cannabis retailers beyond those limitations? | 00:55:56 | |
And the industrial commercial zones? | 00:56:03 | |
On December 7th, 2022, City Council directed the City Manager and City Attorney to create a Cannabis Licensing Program consistent | 00:56:07 | |
with voter approved Measure M. | 00:56:12 | |
On May 17th, 2023, the Draft Cannabis Ordinance was presented to City Council for concept review. | 00:56:18 | |
At that time, City Council directed the Planning Commission to review the proposed zoning ordinance to address cannibal cannabis | 00:56:25 | |
retail locations, potential separation requirements beyond the 1000 feet from schools, daycares and youth centers. | 00:56:30 | |
And additional limitations and requirements for delivery only medicinal cannabis retailers. | 00:56:37 | |
On June 8th, the Planning Commission of 2023, the Planning Commission began a discussion to address the City Council's request. | 00:56:44 | |
The Planning Commission requested additional maps to clarify zoning districts and a better map of the cannabis retail business | 00:56:54 | |
buffer zones, and it was continued to a later date. | 00:56:58 | |
On November 8th of 2022 is a little bit of background. Pacific Grove Voters approved Measure M&N at the general election. Measure | 00:57:06 | |
M was an advisory measure that posed the question should the Pacific Grove City Council be authorized to amend the Municipal Code | 00:57:14 | |
to allow retail sales of medical or recreational recreational cannabis limited to one single location within the city? | 00:57:21 | |
At a location no closer than 1000 feet from any existing licensed daycare, preschools, youth center and schools to engage in | 00:57:29 | |
commercial cannabis activities. | 00:57:34 | |
Measure N established the tax on cannabis businesses at the rate of 6% of gross receipts from the retail sale of cannabis. | 00:57:39 | |
Another important part to remember is that coming up in January 1st 2024 we have SB1186 which is medicinal medicinal cannabis | 00:57:47 | |
patients rights. | 00:57:54 | |
To Access Act. | 00:58:00 | |
Requires after January 1st, 2024, the California cities and counties be required to allow retail sale by delivery. | 00:58:03 | |
Of Canada of medicinal cannabis. And so that's. | 00:58:11 | |
Strictly medicinal and and delivery. | 00:58:15 | |
And this ordinance and ordinances that exist that prohibit or have the effect of prohibiting the establishment of. | 00:58:18 | |
Of physical premises from which Retail sale by delivery of medicinal. | 00:58:24 | |
Cannabis is conducted will be in violation of SB1186. | 00:58:28 | |
And so, in addition to the one storefront retail location Canton owned by Measure M, the proposed ordinance will allow for | 00:58:33 | |
cannabis retailers that. | 00:58:37 | |
Operate his delivery only and only engage in the sale of medicinal. | 00:58:41 | |
Cannabis. | 00:58:46 | |
And. | 00:58:52 | |
This. | 00:58:53 | |
The the again, the Planning Commission's consideration will be with. | 00:58:55 | |
Which specific zones? There's PC recommended retailers. | 00:59:00 | |
Should any additional separation requirements be recommended for cannabis business? | 00:59:04 | |
And should additional parameters be considered for delivery only retailers with no walk in businesses beyond limitations and | 00:59:08 | |
industrial commercial zones? | 00:59:12 | |
I'd like to. | 00:59:17 | |
At this point. | 00:59:18 | |
Invite. | 00:59:20 | |
The city attorney. | 00:59:21 | |
Brian Pierick and Erica Vega if they would like to comment on this at all. | 00:59:24 | |
Yes, thank you. Aaron, can you go back to the slides at the end where the the questions are presented and and and the | 00:59:31 | |
recommendations. So you did mention what the questions were. So perhaps you can collaborate a little bit on the slide that you've | 00:59:37 | |
got up now. | 00:59:43 | |
Sure. The which specific zones does the PC recommend retailers be allowed? | 00:59:52 | |
The staff recommended cannabis be allowed in the following zones that the. | 00:59:59 | |
Downtown. | 01:00:03 | |
Commercial. | 01:00:04 | |
Light commercial, Heavy commercial and Forest Hill commercial. | 01:00:05 | |
Does not recommend the C1T or the commercial Hotel condominium district. It would be pretty much restricted anyway by that 1000 | 01:00:10 | |
foot buffer zone and the visitor commercial. And it's basically the Monterey Aquarium offices are already there, so it's not | 01:00:17 | |
likely that we would. | 01:00:23 | |
Umm. | 01:00:31 | |
Change that, use. | 01:00:31 | |
Do you want me to continue with those, Brian? | 01:00:37 | |
You know, we can do this one at a time. So it's just that when you went through the slides earlier, I don't know that you. | 01:00:40 | |
Elaborated on what the staff recommendation was. So then. | 01:00:46 | |
The second question is your next slide. | 01:00:49 | |
Should any additional separation requirements be recommended for a cannabis business? | 01:00:52 | |
We were looking at. | 01:00:57 | |
Other. | 01:01:00 | |
Potential institutions that that may benefit from that zone drug and alcohol rehabilitation facilities. The staff felt that that | 01:01:01 | |
it was important to separate. | 01:01:06 | |
Those facilities from Retail Cannabis. | 01:01:12 | |
High density residential. Both this actually. The next three have a lot more with public safety. | 01:01:16 | |
The safe parking program locations and beach locations that but all of these would basically increase they could increase police, | 01:01:25 | |
department and enforcement. | 01:01:31 | |
The latter being the closer to the the beach would be encouraging or? | 01:01:37 | |
When we. | 01:01:43 | |
Had a discussion with with members of the Police Department. They they felt that. | 01:01:45 | |
It would increase cannabis use on beaches and trails. So these four additional areas that we think would we would recommend some | 01:01:52 | |
degree of separation doesn't necessarily have to be that 1000 feet, but it could be to the pleasure of the of the Commission to | 01:01:58 | |
discuss that. | 01:02:05 | |
What may be appropriate for those those different? | 01:02:13 | |
Those different institutions. | 01:02:17 | |
The Should additional parameters be considered for delivery only retailers with no walk in business beyond limitations to | 01:02:21 | |
industrial commercial zones, we we recommended that. | 01:02:25 | |
Not. | 01:02:32 | |
To have the. | 01:02:33 | |
Delivery only in our commercial districts and to some degree I mean that we do have. | 01:02:35 | |
We do have things like storage facilities. | 01:02:41 | |
But these they? | 01:02:43 | |
They have preserved their storefronts and we would recommend not. | 01:02:45 | |
Ohh. | 01:02:50 | |
Directing them to our storefronts since they if they were delivery only and no foot traffic, we would want to for. | 01:02:51 | |
The preservation of our storefronts promoting foot traffic. | 01:03:00 | |
And promoting economic development, keep keep the delivery only of the medical medicinal cannabis. | 01:03:03 | |
Out of the commercial district. | 01:03:12 | |
So those are the three questions that that the staff is asking from the Commission, the other thing I wanted to mention. | 01:03:14 | |
Is that the scope of the review by the Planning Commission as requested by the City Council, as I understand it is for the zoning? | 01:03:23 | |
Ordinance, since that is within the scope of the Planning Commissions charge. | 01:03:33 | |
Whereas the other ordinance is the licensing ordinance, which is not a land use issue, it's a licensing issue. So. | 01:03:40 | |
That would not be one within the scope of the Planning Commission's charge. | 01:03:48 | |
So perhaps we should stop there for a moment, and. | 01:03:54 | |
Because I I know there may be some questions about the the scope of your review and we might want to. | 01:03:58 | |
Get that? | 01:04:04 | |
Out front before. | 01:04:05 | |
Put you on to the rest of the discussion. | 01:04:07 | |
Are you? Is your? | 01:04:13 | |
Presentation completed. Mr. Campbell, thank you. Before we proceed, let me briefly. | 01:04:14 | |
Review our rules this evening and then we can. | 01:04:22 | |
Get to. | 01:04:24 | |
Mr. Pierrie's comments. | 01:04:26 | |
After we. | 01:04:28 | |
Review the agenda reports and apparently review our charge. | 01:04:31 | |
I will then open the hearing for public comments. | 01:04:37 | |
Those wishing to speak speak will have 3 minutes each. | 01:04:39 | |
I will then close the hearing to further comment from the general public so that we can go through the draft ordinances. | 01:04:43 | |
Discuss and make recommendations to the City Council. | 01:04:50 | |
I'll begin. | 01:04:55 | |
In response to Mr. Pirie's comment, I listened to the tapes of the Planning Commission on May 17th. | 01:04:56 | |
And. | 01:05:03 | |
I was also there. I think, in all due respect to Mr. Purick, I have a different opinion about what? | 01:05:04 | |
City Council asked. They asked us to review both ordinances. | 01:05:10 | |
So to me that's a pretty open-ended thing and as I went through these both ordinances line by line. | 01:05:14 | |
I found a number of deficiencies that. | 01:05:20 | |
Whether we correct them? | 01:05:23 | |
Somebody's got to correct them because they they have to be. | 01:05:24 | |
And this goes far beyond. | 01:05:28 | |
I think just. | 01:05:30 | |
Selecting what zones these things ought to be and for example, who should select? | 01:05:32 | |
The. | 01:05:38 | |
The the cannabis dealer, how should they be be selected? | 01:05:40 | |
And some of the language in the ordinances. | 01:05:44 | |
Appear to appears to infringe upon the use. | 01:05:47 | |
Permit authority of the City of this Planning Commission later when we reviewed the. | 01:05:52 | |
The so-called local licensee so. | 01:05:58 | |
I I think we need to at least. | 01:06:00 | |
Look at the broader picture. Instead of looking at one or two things and then saying we we ought to go home, that that's my view. | 01:06:03 | |
Perhaps you disagreed. | 01:06:07 | |
I'm certainly willing to listen to. | 01:06:12 | |
Or certainly wasn't. Consider each other's opinions about this so we can come to a conclusion. | 01:06:15 | |
So who is who would like to speak? | 01:06:21 | |
Vice Chair Murphy. | 01:06:24 | |
Well, again, again, very respectfully, Mr. Mr. Burke, I I listened to the tape. | 01:06:27 | |
And and the Council was clear, that was asking us. | 01:06:32 | |
To review both ordinances. | 01:06:37 | |
I understand that title 11 is not usually. | 01:06:39 | |
Under our charge. | 01:06:42 | |
And some of those items. | 01:06:45 | |
And frankly, I don't care about one way or the other. But they did. They did ask us. | 01:06:47 | |
As as. | 01:06:52 | |
And I I. | 01:06:53 | |
I think I recall that both you and then city manager. | 01:06:55 | |
Ben Harvey were asked clarifying questions and you both said. | 01:06:59 | |
That what the Council asked was for the Planning Commission to review both both ordinances. | 01:07:03 | |
And and if if my memory is faulty I I apologize but I don't. | 01:07:09 | |
I don't think it is. | 01:07:16 | |
And as the chair. | 01:07:18 | |
Pointed out there are some areas of overlap. | 01:07:20 | |
And in the ordinances that I think are not are not clear and would benefit by some. | 01:07:25 | |
Some clarification. | 01:07:31 | |
My hope would be that we spend. | 01:07:34 | |
Umm. | 01:07:36 | |
You know, not much time on Title 11. | 01:07:37 | |
But when you do do address. | 01:07:40 | |
Those. | 01:07:42 | |
Those pieces that. | 01:07:43 | |
The. | 01:07:45 | |
Seem to relate to and perhaps conflict with the title three that is our. | 01:07:46 | |
Our usual. | 01:07:52 | |
Territory. | 01:07:53 | |
Thank you. | 01:07:55 | |
Thank you. | 01:07:56 | |
Any other comments, Commissioner Sawyer? | 01:07:58 | |
I looked through the general plan in the chapter that has to do with land use because I was concerned about what we were being | 01:08:01 | |
charged with. I was at the meeting as well. | 01:08:06 | |
When the City Council did give us a charge, they asked us to look at. | 01:08:12 | |
Both of these ordinances and when I looked at the general plan, when I looked at page 18, it talked about alcohol sales downtown. | 01:08:17 | |
And one of the things that it did state was. | 01:08:24 | |
Needed to make sure that the quality of life and general public safety in Pacific Grove was maintained. | 01:08:31 | |
Then it also talked about on page 24 non conforming uses. | 01:08:39 | |
In order to grant any use permit, the Planning Commission must make the finding. | 01:08:45 | |
That the use or building applied for will not be detrimental to persons or property. | 01:08:50 | |
In the neighborhood or to the general welfare of the city? | 01:08:56 | |
I think that gives us a little bit. | 01:09:00 | |
More perspective and allows us to look a little bit broader because. | 01:09:03 | |
As I went through both of these ordinances, I also had. | 01:09:09 | |
A number of questions as there were some deficiencies and some overlap. So it would be helpful I think to have our eyes on it just | 01:09:13 | |
to ask questions and to quickly go through. | 01:09:19 | |
Areas that. | 01:09:24 | |
Alright. | 01:09:26 | |
Important. | 01:09:27 | |
Thank you. | 01:09:28 | |
Thank you. | 01:09:29 | |
If it. | 01:09:30 | |
Commissioner, I mean Mr. Campbell, you, you. | 01:09:31 | |
Seemed to have something you wanted to say, so I'll recognize you. I appreciate that. | 01:09:35 | |
In preparing for this staff report, one thing that I did, I did go back and and watch on it. | 01:09:40 | |
Over and over and you you are correct where at the end of the meeting when they were. | 01:09:47 | |
Giving direction, they said. Let's give both to both of these ordinances to the Planning Commission. | 01:09:52 | |
The one thing that I didn't see during the meat of it that when. | 01:09:59 | |
Zoning was was brought up. | 01:10:04 | |
Both. | 01:10:07 | |
Lou Coletti and and the mayor and and everyone said send it to I felt. | 01:10:10 | |
And especially when drafting this, I felt there was they were giving a direction. | 01:10:17 | |
I would. | 01:10:22 | |
If we. | 01:10:22 | |
If you do not feel or if the Commission doesn't feel, that enough direction was given specifically for. | 01:10:24 | |
The Chapter 11. | 01:10:31 | |
Because I feel like they were very clear on Chapter 23 what was being asked. They went through very specific questions and those | 01:10:33 | |
are the questions that that we had, that I drew from those, from that meeting. | 01:10:39 | |
It's fair if you. | 01:10:46 | |
Didn't feel that you had enough direction concerning Chapter 11 just to ask and and see if they have any specific. | 01:10:48 | |
Things that they'd like for you to look at. | 01:10:56 | |
That would be my my suggestion. Thank you. Appreciate that. | 01:10:58 | |
If there's consensus on the Commission, I would prefer to proceed looking at both ordinances, certainly beginning with the ones | 01:11:03 | |
the issues that staff has pointed out, because they are embedded in the 10 pages of questions I have. | 01:11:09 | |
As we come to things in #11. | 01:11:16 | |
That we think we we need to gloss over or quickly dispose of we can. | 01:11:19 | |
But as I said before, we we don't need to ask the City Council any further what they. | 01:11:24 | |
What they intended, they said, what they intended and and at this point we're parsing words and wasting time, so I would prefer we | 01:11:30 | |
move along. | 01:11:34 | |
And if there's without objection, then I would like to move along. | 01:11:38 | |
Vice chair or I mean Commissioner Zinski. | 01:11:42 | |
Please turn on your microphone. My question is should we go to public comments at this time or I think we. Well, yes I will. OK. | 01:11:46 | |
Yeah I'll I'll do that under these circumstances. I I we we were gonna do that anyway. So if we're, if we're done with this | 01:11:53 | |
portion of the discussion then I will go to public comment and I appreciate. | 01:11:59 | |
The comments by everybody and and staff. So with that, is there anybody who's raised and Mr. Period, do you have any further | 01:12:06 | |
comments? Yeah, yeah I did. It's certainly your prerogative if you want to look at the both ordinances. I just made my comments | 01:12:12 | |
because I I had understood that it was. | 01:12:17 | |
At least primarily the zoning ordinance, since that's kind of the bailiwick for the Planning Commission, I should also. So if you | 01:12:23 | |
want to consider both ordinances, you certainly don't have the legal right to do that. | 01:12:28 | |
And the other thing is that my partner, Erica Vega is also on the line and she's the one that wrote the ordinance. So in case you | 01:12:34 | |
had any questions either now or later, she's available to respond. | 01:12:40 | |
Ohh, I'm sure we will have questions of Miss Vega and I'm glad she is in attendance this evening so well and I didn't get a chance | 01:12:46 | |
to welcome her. I don't see her picture up on the screen, but welcome. | 01:12:51 | |
So with that, do we have any, if if that's it, Mr. Purrington will proceed on and I think the first person on the docket is Mike | 01:12:58 | |
Gibbs, is that correct or is there anybody in the audience first who would like to? | 01:13:04 | |
To address. | 01:13:10 | |
Mr. Tuminello, I think does, and then we'll go to Mr. Gibbs. | 01:13:12 | |
So welcome. | 01:13:16 | |
No. | 01:13:23 | |
It's. It's red. So now well. | 01:13:24 | |
Wait, is it on now? OK, good. OK. Vince Tuminello, Pacific Grove resident. | 01:13:29 | |
And I'm a little stunned that this is even still an issue. You know, when when they had Measure M on the ballot? | 01:13:34 | |
Personally, I think it was misrepresentative making illusions that we were going to raise $300,000 a year. | 01:13:40 | |
And tax revenue from this one single storefront store, maybe including the delivery, I didn't even realize. | 01:13:48 | |
That was going to be part of the program. | 01:13:55 | |
But that that was my era. But anyway, if you take a look at other cities, the industry of growing marijuana. | 01:13:58 | |
The industry of selling marijuana licensed by different municipalities. | 01:14:06 | |
Has very much underperformed. | 01:14:11 | |
The presented expectations to the public and this measure M. | 01:14:14 | |
Alluded to the to the idea we were going to raise $300,000, which in the overall city budget is a drop in the bucket. So I don't | 01:14:18 | |
know how many people were swayed by that, but they were missed swayed if they were. The other thing is I know a lot of people who | 01:14:24 | |
was auditions would be great. I don't have to drive out the Seaside. | 01:14:29 | |
Well, a lot of people go out to Costco. I don't see anybody complaining about going to Costco. Why do we need a marijuana shop in | 01:14:35 | |
Pacific Grove, our quaint, beautiful little town? And I certainly wouldn't put it. | 01:14:41 | |
In public's knows like on Central Ave. Lighthouse Ave. down by the aquarium, these places would be totally out of. | 01:14:47 | |
My concept of a good location for a pot shop. I'll tell you what I think if you're going to insist on doing this. | 01:14:54 | |
The only place that I think would be affordable to it. | 01:15:00 | |
Would be up across the street from Safeway parking lot, across the street from the Goodyear store behind the French bakery up | 01:15:03 | |
there, there's a little shopping center that's kind of out of the way and not too obvious. And if you want to put a pot shop | 01:15:10 | |
someplace in the city, put it up there. Nobody leave, you notice it except those people who find it to be a necessity either for | 01:15:17 | |
medical or recreational needs to go there. But also let me mention, you know, this is not legal on the federal level. | 01:15:24 | |
You're putting yourself in liability by going along with this because at some point. | 01:15:31 | |
Sometime in the future there may be, you know, ramifications. Some lawyers will get together. Someone was injured, overdose, too | 01:15:36 | |
much THC wound up in the emergency room, which happens quite often if you talk to anybody from Chomp. | 01:15:43 | |
They have a lot of OD THC people up there who are completely out of their minds, passed out and debilitated in other ways. God | 01:15:50 | |
forbid one of these people gets in a car accident and injured in some other way, says Hey, you know that I I bought a license shop | 01:15:55 | |
by the city of Pacific Grove. | 01:16:01 | |
Gee, you know, they're violating federal law. Well, is that going to really fly? | 01:16:07 | |
I mean, I I. | 01:16:11 | |
And it just amazes me, you know, that we have a federal law does not allow. | 01:16:13 | |
Promotion sale of marijuana yet? We're all going well going ahead with this. | 01:16:18 | |
So I want to wish everybody luck who participates in this, but I know you'll feel obligated by the City Council will do so. I know | 01:16:24 | |
the mayor is here. I know the expectations for $300,000 a year are way over the top. | 01:16:30 | |
And is it all going to be worth it in the end? Thank you so much. Thank you. | 01:16:37 | |
Is there anybody else in the audience? If not, then I think we can go to. | 01:16:47 | |
Zoom. | 01:16:52 | |
With Mike Gibbs. | 01:16:54 | |
Planning Commission, thank you very much. This is Mike Gibbs again with the EDC. I'm speaking on my own behalf about the cannabis. | 01:16:58 | |
Issue. I completely agree with Mr. Tuminello on this issue and I. | 01:17:05 | |
I kind of feel bad that you all have to do this, but as long as you do, please. | 01:17:10 | |
Take on both of the ordinances, not just the one that seemed like that. The city staff member was trying to force you in One | 01:17:15 | |
Direction. Thank you for pushing back. | 01:17:19 | |
My comments are going to be a little bit more at a higher level of this. You know, Big Tobacco right now is the big investor | 01:17:23 | |
behind Big Cannabis. | 01:17:27 | |
And they pushed the lie or the myth, let's just put it that way, that cannabis was safe and that there's medicinal marijuana we | 01:17:32 | |
need to have it in. | 01:17:36 | |
All of our cities not true. | 01:17:40 | |
Last year I attended a meeting at the Pacific Grove High School. | 01:17:42 | |
About fentanyl, I don't know if any of you were there, but two ER doctors, doctor Rib Closen. | 01:17:46 | |
Casey Grover were there from montage. | 01:17:52 | |
And they delivered a a very compelling look at. | 01:17:54 | |
Drugs inside Pacific Grove? | 01:17:58 | |
And three people got up. Three parents got up and talked about their children who had died from fentanyl. Guess what they all | 01:18:00 | |
started with? Cannabis. | 01:18:04 | |
So the doctors handed out. | 01:18:08 | |
A paper. | 01:18:11 | |
They talked about the three myths that have been perpetrated that caused cities like Pacific Grove to pass this abomination. | 01:18:12 | |
Really. | 01:18:17 | |
And one is that marijuana is a medicine. Now these are directly from Montage, ER doctors. | 01:18:21 | |
And most studies show that there is. And we already know there's no FDA approved medical marijuana. There is 0. There's none. It | 01:18:26 | |
is often used for anxiety and depression. | 01:18:31 | |
The, ER, docs at Montage would point out that, in fact, marijuana makes anxiety and depression even worse. | 01:18:37 | |
Not better. | 01:18:44 | |
2nd Myth there was perpetuated by Big Cannabis that marijuana is safe. It is not. | 01:18:45 | |
It is the leasing leading cause of suicides among teens in the United States. It increases depression, anxiety and psychosis | 01:18:51 | |
almost. Psychologists and I saw this first hand myself, and it is something to see if you've never seen it. | 01:18:58 | |
Myth #3. It has no effect on driving. Not true. | 01:19:06 | |
There's a direct relationship between high levels of marijuana and the ability to drive safely. | 01:19:10 | |
Myth #4. It has no effect on school work. | 01:19:16 | |
That is been proven to be not true. | 01:19:20 | |
That we know that marijuana reduces brain growth. | 01:19:24 | |
Brain growth. | 01:19:28 | |
Among kids and youth under the age of 25, and it affects their ability to perform on tests. | 01:19:29 | |
You know, graduate on time. It contributes to absenteeism and dropouts. | 01:19:37 | |
And I don't think that's something that we want to. | 01:19:42 | |
Even think about it because it's too horrible to really cogitate on. | 01:19:45 | |
This number 5 marijuana is not addictive. And this is a big one. | 01:19:49 | |
I don't know how anybody can possibly think whether it's medical marijuana or not. | 01:19:54 | |
They all have high levels of THC that somebody may tell you different. It's not true and one of the things that some point if | 01:19:59 | |
you're going to look at one of the measures. | 01:20:03 | |
I would look at THC dosing. The dosing is 20 times higher than it was 50 years ago when I was treating people and it is way too | 01:20:08 | |
high and overdoses. | 01:20:13 | |
Occur all of the time and there is no Narcan. There is no nothing that you can take if you have a THC overdose and one of the | 01:20:18 | |
things is that many of you are parents, You may have experienced cannabis or marijuana back in the 60s or 70s. | 01:20:26 | |
And parents think that's not a big deal because when I was doing it. | 01:20:34 | |
When I was token, you know, when I was smoking, it wasn't a problem unfortunately. | 01:20:38 | |
Their experience doesn't apply to teenagers today, and parents don't understand the current risk. So I honor your, you know, | 01:20:42 | |
having to take this from the City Council. It was an advisory measure. We should have never approved it as a City Council. City | 01:20:47 | |
Council already knows that. So good luck with this. | 01:20:53 | |
And I and I admire the fact that you're approaching this in the correct way. So thank you very much, Chairman Lilly and the rest | 01:20:58 | |
of the Planning Commission. | 01:21:02 | |
Thank you. | 01:21:07 | |
We have influence and Dahmer welcome. | 01:21:10 | |
Sponsor. | 01:21:13 | |
Goodness gracious, what a bunch of. | 01:21:14 | |
Propaganda. | 01:21:19 | |
Excuse me, there is a medical use for marijuana. | 01:21:21 | |
Tell that to the cancer patients you just absolutely dismissed. | 01:21:26 | |
Umm, as far as your? | 01:21:32 | |
As far as your. | 01:21:36 | |
Following what the council recommended. | 01:21:38 | |
Yes, I will agree. | 01:21:41 | |
That they asked you to look at all of it. | 01:21:44 | |
And I realized that this city is a little bit disarrayed right now. | 01:21:47 | |
Because the head propagandist is no longer. | 01:21:52 | |
Uh. | 01:21:57 | |
Manager. | 01:21:59 | |
City manager and guess what the organizational chart still says? The City Council. | 01:22:00 | |
Is right up there underneath. | 01:22:07 | |
The citizens of Pacific Grove. | 01:22:10 | |
Who voted for this? Whatever reason, it's fine. | 01:22:13 | |
I myself has used cannabidiol products. | 01:22:18 | |
And been to many different dispensaries. | 01:22:23 | |
Throughout many years. | 01:22:26 | |
I had a medical license from the state. | 01:22:28 | |
Not for high THC content whatsoever. | 01:22:32 | |
Because I need it to manage pain. | 01:22:36 | |
And it is mostly CBD products. I don't want to get high. | 01:22:39 | |
Believe me, I want to speak my mind perfectly sober, thank you very much. | 01:22:45 | |
So here we go. You are charged with this. | 01:22:50 | |
I am. I am asking you. I I figure this is going to end up kind of being like a skate park. The only thing I agreed with the last | 01:22:54 | |
two speakers on is probably up there in the Forest Hill behind. | 01:23:01 | |
Whatever and across from Safeway, you know, that's about the only thing I can agree upon. Because. | 01:23:07 | |
I didn't hear anywhere with I I heard the CV, you know, and. | 01:23:14 | |
And transient, but I didn't hear the CV ATC one, which of course is my area of the woods. | 01:23:19 | |
And the fact that Monterrey has approved apparently 21 on Lighthouse Ave. in New Monterey there and one near Cannery Row will | 01:23:27 | |
Yeah, this isn't a real good thought. | 01:23:34 | |
Saturation and whatever. | 01:23:42 | |
Yes, I approve of delivery only in some industrial little place. They don't need a large warehouse for this. | 01:23:45 | |
There isn't going to be. I don't even know if you're going to find. | 01:23:52 | |
Someone who wants to do it to tell you the truth. | 01:23:57 | |
Because this high dosage. | 01:24:01 | |
Really high THC, which are for medical ones which are. | 01:24:03 | |
For cancer patients etc. | 01:24:09 | |
They already have their connection, so to speak, their dispensary. | 01:24:12 | |
I don't think Pacific Grove is ever going to realize the money they think they are from this. | 01:24:17 | |
And. | 01:24:23 | |
Anyway, I don't think another one down here. And yes, I'd like to see some zoning between. | 01:24:25 | |
Residential areas, I don't think the CV ATC is a good idea at all. | 01:24:31 | |
And umm. | 01:24:38 | |
And as far as the ordinances go, since we really don't have a permanent city manager right now, I think it'd be a good idea to | 01:24:40 | |
take any of that out of the ordinances. | 01:24:45 | |
Because it needs more oversight. | 01:24:51 | |
Than anything else. I am very hopeful of what we'll get in next but. | 01:24:54 | |
Umm. | 01:25:00 | |
I'm not relying on staff, so to speak. | 01:25:02 | |
Thank you very much. | 01:25:05 | |
Thank you. | 01:25:09 | |
If Tony Chiani welcome. | 01:25:11 | |
Good evening, Commissioners and staff. | 01:25:18 | |
Uh. | 01:25:20 | |
And other members of the public. | 01:25:22 | |
I'm probably not a good candidate for talking about this, because. | 01:25:25 | |
I don't use marijuana or. | 01:25:28 | |
That other stuff. | 01:25:31 | |
But one of my cats does. | 01:25:34 | |
Umm. | 01:25:36 | |
And I had to go to Seaside. | 01:25:37 | |
To fulfill the vets prescription for it. | 01:25:40 | |
But as a planner. | 01:25:45 | |
And looking at the parameters. | 01:25:48 | |
Sort of the design parameters that you need to consider. | 01:25:50 | |
If it's 1000 feet. | 01:25:55 | |
From. | 01:25:58 | |
Residential areas. | 01:26:00 | |
Or schools or churches and things like that. | 01:26:01 | |
Then I suggest you get out your. | 01:26:05 | |
Your. | 01:26:08 | |
Protractors. | 01:26:10 | |
And draw the circles. | 01:26:12 | |
And figure out where from the edges of any. | 01:26:15 | |
Commercial areas. | 01:26:19 | |
Or industrial areas. | 01:26:22 | |
That there are not residences or schools. | 01:26:24 | |
And. | 01:26:29 | |
As I. | 01:26:30 | |
Understand. | 01:26:31 | |
The zoning maps. | 01:26:33 | |
There's not a lot of places like that in Pacific Grove. | 01:26:35 | |
I don't think Pacific Grove is really a great place. | 01:26:38 | |
For selling and distributing. | 01:26:42 | |
Cannabis products. | 01:26:44 | |
Except. | 01:26:46 | |
Possibly. | 01:26:47 | |
To have some sort of a. | 01:26:49 | |
Not even a storefront? Some sort of a? | 01:26:52 | |
Delivery service. | 01:26:54 | |
So enterprise? | 01:26:57 | |
That could deliver those. | 01:26:59 | |
Products primarily probably for. | 01:27:02 | |
Health purposes. | 01:27:05 | |
To people who need it. | 01:27:06 | |
And that way it'll be more accessible. | 01:27:09 | |
That way I wouldn't have to drive to Pacific to Seaside. | 01:27:11 | |
To get this little bottle of stuff. | 01:27:16 | |
That I drip on my cat's food. | 01:27:19 | |
So my cats. | 01:27:22 | |
Doing a little bit better. | 01:27:25 | |
Take a scientific. | 01:27:29 | |
Approach to this. | 01:27:31 | |
Look and see. | 01:27:34 | |
If there's any areas. | 01:27:35 | |
That are not in the coastal zone. | 01:27:37 | |
Not visitor serving. | 01:27:39 | |
Uh. | 01:27:42 | |
That. | 01:27:42 | |
Or visitor commercial areas. | 01:27:43 | |
That. | 01:27:46 | |
Can accommodate this kind of use. | 01:27:47 | |
That's a difficult choice. Thank you very much for your work. | 01:27:50 | |
Thank you. | 01:27:54 | |
We have Marsha. | 01:27:58 | |
Marsha. | 01:28:00 | |
Welcome. | 01:28:01 | |
Good evening, Mr. Chair and Commissioners. | 01:28:03 | |
Umm. | 01:28:07 | |
I'm glad that you opened up the discussion and that you're going to be. | 01:28:09 | |
Opening up your review. | 01:28:14 | |
Umm. | 01:28:17 | |
I'm. | 01:28:19 | |
I'm primarily going to address. | 01:28:20 | |
Your. | 01:28:24 | |
Land use responsibilities as they relate to health, safety, welfare, quality of life. | 01:28:26 | |
And. | 01:28:34 | |
And something that was not put on the. | 01:28:37 | |
On the referendum that went to to the vote. | 01:28:41 | |
Was the fact that there are a lot of health issues. | 01:28:45 | |
Mental health issues. | 01:28:49 | |
Related to cannabis, for example. | 01:28:51 | |
In May of 2023. | 01:28:55 | |
A new study was done. | 01:28:58 | |
In Denmark that. | 01:29:01 | |
Considered. | 01:29:04 | |
6.9 million people who ranged in age from 16 to 49 between 1972 and. | 01:29:06 | |
2021. | 01:29:14 | |
This was also done in conjunction with the US. | 01:29:16 | |
Researchers and they found. | 01:29:21 | |
That marijuana use increases schizophrenia risk in young men. | 01:29:24 | |
As many as 30% of schizophrenia cases among young men could have been prevented if they had avoided marijuana. | 01:29:30 | |
There was a lesser percentage. For young females it was 4%. | 01:29:40 | |
This coincided with previous research that showed that. | 01:29:47 | |
The psychoactive ingredient in cannabis, called THC, may trigger or worsen schizophrenia. Long term and heavy cannabis use can | 01:29:52 | |
alter the way. | 01:29:58 | |
That brain works, and it especially impacts developing brains of teenagers. That's something to consider about our youth. | 01:30:04 | |
Also, weed related ER visits are up 44% in New York City. | 01:30:14 | |
And. | 01:30:23 | |
There's also an article about. | 01:30:25 | |
Candy weed. | 01:30:28 | |
No protection for marijuana child poisoning. | 01:30:30 | |
Over 7000 children under the age of six were exposed to cannabis in the US. | 01:30:35 | |
Do between 2017, 2021. | 01:30:42 | |
And they found. | 01:30:47 | |
15%. | 01:30:49 | |
Marijuana related hospital encountered. | 01:30:51 | |
Encounters required hospitalization, 4% required mechanical ventilation. | 01:30:54 | |
Root candy was responsible for 43% of pediatric poisoning. | 01:31:02 | |
So. | 01:31:08 | |
Consider that when you're considering zoning. Thank you. | 01:31:10 | |
Thank you. | 01:31:14 | |
No one else online, No one else online, alright, we just one person just popped up. | 01:31:21 | |
Person popped up, Melinda. | 01:31:27 | |
Miller. Miller. | 01:31:31 | |
Mueller, Mueller. | 01:31:32 | |
Welcome. | 01:31:34 | |
Hello. | 01:31:37 | |
My name is Melinda Derouen Mueller and I am a resident of Pacific Grove. | 01:31:39 | |
I am also a mother. | 01:31:46 | |
I have two children in local schools who are young. | 01:31:49 | |
And I am a cannabis user. | 01:31:53 | |
And. | 01:31:57 | |
I'm not a schizophrenic. | 01:31:58 | |
I'm a. | 01:32:00 | |
Totally normal human being. | 01:32:01 | |
And me, along with all other Pacific Grove residents. | 01:32:05 | |
Who are adults and choose to use cannabis Drive out of town? | 01:32:09 | |
To spend our money. | 01:32:14 | |
In Carmel. | 01:32:16 | |
In Seaside. | 01:32:18 | |
And in. | 01:32:21 | |
Salinas. | 01:32:22 | |
To buy our cannabis. | 01:32:24 | |
If you put a. | 01:32:28 | |
Cannabis Dispensary in Pacific Grove. I can guarantee you nobody's going to drive to the edge of the peninsula. | 01:32:30 | |
From Salinas or Seaside to buy cannabis. | 01:32:36 | |
But all your Pacific Grove residents will be spending our money locally. | 01:32:40 | |
You will be getting the tax money. | 01:32:44 | |
It won't be going to Carmel or Seaside. | 01:32:46 | |
You'll get all the tax money. | 01:32:50 | |
And you'll be serving us. | 01:32:52 | |
You're not going to attract people from Seaside who want to drive all the way out here for something like that. | 01:32:54 | |
And this is coming from a totally normal human being who is has two children locally. I am an upstanding community member. | 01:33:01 | |
And I'm a totally normal person and I'm just sick of driving to Seaside. | 01:33:10 | |
To spend my money it should. It should be local. | 01:33:15 | |
Ensure visitors will. | 01:33:19 | |
Possibly also. | 01:33:21 | |
Partake. But you know, we also sell alcohol locally, so it's the same thing. | 01:33:23 | |
There is already. | 01:33:28 | |
Umm. | 01:33:30 | |
Deliveries that we can get out here. | 01:33:31 | |
But you know, just. | 01:33:34 | |
As far as driving and going elsewhere. | 01:33:36 | |
You would you would save a lot of Pacific Grove residents. | 01:33:40 | |
Driving, driving time and you would get yourself a lot of tax money. | 01:33:44 | |
And. | 01:33:49 | |
I'm not a schizophrenic or just, you know, we choose not to drink alcohol. | 01:33:51 | |
That's a totally normal thing and people just need to start getting used to it. | 01:33:56 | |
And Pacific Grove is just super behind on this. | 01:34:00 | |
Other towns are already. | 01:34:03 | |
Way ahead of us. | 01:34:06 | |
Just like with cutting down trees like let's, let's get to the present day here in town. | 01:34:08 | |
So. | 01:34:13 | |
I hope that you listen to somebody who is a cannabis user. | 01:34:14 | |
And an upstanding Pacific Grove resident. | 01:34:18 | |
I appreciate you your time. Thank you very much. | 01:34:21 | |
Thank you. | 01:34:25 | |
I see no other hands, all right. | 01:34:29 | |
So then. | 01:34:32 | |
At this point I will close. | 01:34:34 | |
This matter to further public comment so we can proceed to. | 01:34:37 | |
Consider all these issues and so. | 01:34:43 | |
Without objection, then let me. | 01:34:49 | |
Use the format that. | 01:34:52 | |
Initially suggested by the staff and that's the first item actually on the list I provided, and that would be. | 01:34:55 | |
And what zones should? | 01:35:03 | |
Storefront cannabis retailer be allowed. | 01:35:05 | |
I let me propose this, though, that we go through. | 01:35:08 | |
The ordinances. | 01:35:12 | |
And look at the questions that we've. | 01:35:14 | |
Identified You may have other questions you wish to identify. | 01:35:16 | |
We'll talk them through. | 01:35:19 | |
We we had a discussion a couple of months ago. | 01:35:21 | |
Where we? | 01:35:25 | |
Almost like a kitchen table discussion about our thoughts about this thing, but now we I think we need to focus on the specific | 01:35:26 | |
issues before us. | 01:35:30 | |
That have been outlined by the staff and in the. | 01:35:34 | |
Presentation that I provided so without objection then it will proceed. And so the first question that staff raised was which | 01:35:38 | |
specific zone should. | 01:35:42 | |
Planning Commission. | 01:35:48 | |
Recommend retailers be allowed. | 01:35:50 | |
And that's in the. | 01:35:52 | |
Ordinance, 2392. | 01:35:54 | |
And that would be in. | 01:35:57 | |
Ohh 6 OB 2. | 01:35:59 | |
And staff recommends cannabis be allowed in the following districts. | 01:36:01 | |
Downtown commercial like commercial. | 01:36:05 | |
Heavy commercial which is C2 and Forest Hill commercial. | 01:36:08 | |
The original ordinance also had. | 01:36:12 | |
Visitor. Commercial. | 01:36:16 | |
And CIT, which would be, I think, just the Holman block, if I'm not mistaken. So there there's. | 01:36:18 | |
Some change there in the. | 01:36:27 | |
The the initial state, the initial ordinance and and then what staff recommends so. | 01:36:31 | |
Best way I know it is just to go go through one by one and and hear everybody's thoughts. So who would like to begin? | 01:36:38 | |
I I'm in accord with the staff recommendation it makes it makes sense to me. | 01:36:47 | |
OK. | 01:36:53 | |
So that would be then the ones that are listed here on their first recommendation. OK, all right. | 01:36:54 | |
Who else would like to comment about? | 01:37:00 | |
That issue, Commissioner Sawyer. | 01:37:02 | |
I just was wondering about the downtown commercial area that. | 01:37:04 | |
Does that preclude are basically historic blocks? | 01:37:09 | |
How do you mean if we all get it doesn't preclude any if downtown commercial would be all CD. | 01:37:18 | |
If you allowed it in retail. | 01:37:25 | |
It it would include the whole lighthouse area. | 01:37:27 | |
It. | 01:37:31 | |
Go ahead. | 01:37:32 | |
I'm, I'm sorry. | 01:37:33 | |
It would not because of the buffer zones. | 01:37:35 | |
So if you look at the bus buffer zone maps. | 01:37:37 | |
There's very, very little of the downtown commercials. There's maybe 3 parcels in the whole of downtown where? | 01:37:40 | |
Ohh allowed. | 01:37:47 | |
All right. | 01:37:49 | |
I don't have a problem with it then. | 01:37:51 | |
Thank you, Commissioner Nuzenski, Thank you. | 01:37:57 | |
Seem to have your hand raised for a bit, yeah? I I support the staff recommendation for item number one. | 01:38:00 | |
OK. | 01:38:07 | |
So. | 01:38:07 | |
I have a question so CV which is this does not include visitor commercial correct? | 01:38:10 | |
OK. And that is where that is. | 01:38:17 | |
I don't have my zoning map, but. | 01:38:21 | |
We have these maps at the end of. | 01:38:24 | |
Again, there are a few of them. There's. | 01:38:27 | |
Ohh, if you look on the screen there there. | 01:38:30 | |
It's the blow up from map 2. | 01:38:33 | |
So can you see where this is? This map too is. | 01:38:36 | |
I'll take it back to this area. | 01:38:40 | |
The first CV area. | 01:38:43 | |
Is. | 01:38:47 | |
Right around that. | 01:38:48 | |
Central and that is a recommendation. It's a very small block. | 01:38:50 | |
Ohh. | 01:38:55 | |
We're. | 01:38:56 | |
This is. | 01:38:59 | |
The mayor saying it's a Meals on Wheels. | 01:39:01 | |
To the very small, that CV area is very small, and then there's another area over. | 01:39:07 | |
Which, which is that that area over by the. | 01:39:13 | |
The aquarium offices. | 01:39:17 | |
Order there were the. | 01:39:24 | |
OK. | 01:39:26 | |
Order there where the aquarium offices are. That's a happy girl kitchen. | 01:39:27 | |
As I understand it, the thing they're up in the corner. | 01:39:32 | |
By Hopkins, that is. | 01:39:36 | |
The old Monterey boat works, is that correct? | 01:39:39 | |
Well, that was years ago. I don't know what they call it now, but that's what it was years ago. Ohh, you mean on this? Well, we | 01:39:43 | |
have it on this. Is it the same spot on this map here that. | 01:39:47 | |
You can see that. | 01:39:52 | |
Campbell. | 01:39:59 | |
I know there are a lot of different maps. | 01:40:01 | |
It might make sense to be using our zoning map and and just if you want to use the whole screen, let me pull the whole. | 01:40:03 | |
There we go. OK, that. That's. That's clear to me. Maybe not to others, but it's clear to me. So CVS then means. | 01:40:14 | |
The boat works location in the northeast northeast corner. | 01:40:23 | |
Of the city. | 01:40:28 | |
Next to the budding the aquarium property. | 01:40:29 | |
The heavy Girl kitchen. And then there was there a third one. | 01:40:32 | |
Ohh, down by the. | 01:40:35 | |
They're in the the upper left corner of map 2. | 01:40:37 | |
Yes. And that would be the. | 01:40:42 | |
Ohh, is that where? | 01:40:45 | |
Is that the the, the, the Community Center? | 01:40:47 | |
It's a senior housing. The senior housing in that area, Yeah, that area in there. | 01:40:53 | |
Umm. | 01:40:58 | |
And then the the one down and then they're down here on the bottom on map one and that would be those are actually that's C2 | 01:41:00 | |
that's heavy commercial that's why I tried to get these a little bit blown up because they the way that they hash these they don't | 01:41:06 | |
a lot of sense that's C2 down in the on map 1. | 01:41:12 | |
So the happy girl one is really see, two not. | 01:41:19 | |
CV and that. | 01:41:22 | |
Miss. | 01:41:24 | |
Mr. Chair, that's not happy. Go kitchen. That's down down on by slow, I think. There. | 01:41:25 | |
You're right. That's where the and that's not, but that's that's C2 and that's the Quonset Hut, right? Yeah, that's the Quonset | 01:41:32 | |
Hut. | 01:41:36 | |
And so the visitor commercial really is just that one. | 01:41:41 | |
Warner there. | 01:41:45 | |
Alright. | 01:41:51 | |
So what is the consensus then of of the Commission that we we use the staff's? | 01:41:53 | |
Recommendation. Do we need to take a vote on some of these things or? | 01:41:59 | |
It's it's it appears that you have any comment, Commissioner Davidson about that or? | 01:42:03 | |
With everybody else. | 01:42:10 | |
So perhaps, Mr. Campbell, you can take copious notes of this. | 01:42:14 | |
And. | 01:42:20 | |
Record that we're in agreement with it, I think. | 01:42:21 | |
The staff recommendation on this, unless there's a desire to take a vote on some of these things, if if there appears to be | 01:42:24 | |
controversy, we can. | 01:42:28 | |
OK, Mr. Chair, this is Brian Perry. My recommendation would be that you do a motion on it so you formalize your direction to the | 01:42:32 | |
council. | 01:42:36 | |
Alright, so may I have a motion then to approve the staff recommendation number? | 01:42:42 | |
But Commissioner Sawyer, when you say staff recommends cannabis be allowed in the following zoning districts, are we? | 01:42:50 | |
Delineating which cannabis? Or is it cannabis in its entirety? Because we seem to. | 01:42:58 | |
Want to have delivery and storefront so when you say cannabis, you're just lumping it all together. | 01:43:06 | |
Right, No. | 01:43:11 | |
This is the retailers. The why doesn't it say cannabis retail, that is. | 01:43:14 | |
Ohh. | 01:43:22 | |
Up above the. | 01:43:22 | |
Thank you. OK, let let let me ask a question though, but this. | 01:43:24 | |
This still is subject to the 1000 foot rule. | 01:43:29 | |
Yes. | 01:43:32 | |
So. | 01:43:33 | |
Even many of these are are potentially knocked out exactly. Yes, I would if we could ask Erica Vega just to, since she did. | 01:43:35 | |
Prepare the ordinance, I want to make sure, because what we have. | 01:43:47 | |
In the. | 01:43:51 | |
The ordinance itself and that 60. | 01:43:54 | |
Be two. | 01:43:57 | |
It says it does say use for permit for a cannabis business. | 01:44:01 | |
Shall be granted subject to the following. | 01:44:05 | |
So if, if Eric could, Erica could chime in on on if we are. | 01:44:08 | |
If these delivery only if we can. | 01:44:14 | |
If that is being eliminated from this and we're just talking about retail because the retail it's still the delivery only is | 01:44:17 | |
retail, it's just medicinal retail. So this is. | 01:44:22 | |
So maybe you could help us make this motion correct. So the purpose of of this question and for the purposes of this motion, it | 01:44:27 | |
would pertain to your storefront retailer, not your delivery or any delivery only retailers. That's addressed in the second | 01:44:32 | |
question. | 01:44:37 | |
Umm. | 01:44:43 | |
And. | 01:44:44 | |
And to get to the comment, I think or heard from Chair Lily, it's sort of a a double layer. So first she would kind of. | 01:44:45 | |
Identify the zone where the storefront. | 01:44:53 | |
Or or zones where the storefront business could locate and then you would take the map that has the radius to figure out which | 01:44:56 | |
which sites within each of those zones are even available. | 01:45:01 | |
OK. | 01:45:09 | |
We haven't gotten to the question yet on the. | 01:45:10 | |
On the. | 01:45:13 | |
This is the separation so. | 01:45:14 | |
But once you once you finalize that and once council finalizes that, that's how it would work. | 01:45:17 | |
I know I have a number of questions about the medicinal SO. | 01:45:22 | |
Defer that. | 01:45:26 | |
But. | 01:45:27 | |
So the CIT or C1T district excludes the home and block. | 01:45:29 | |
Although the home of block. | 01:45:35 | |
Is. | 01:45:37 | |
Really within 1000 feet of a lot of things. | 01:45:38 | |
So it's almost. | 01:45:42 | |
It's like. | 01:45:43 | |
This leaves out of your vest, I suppose, if you want to use an analogy. | 01:45:44 | |
All right, so is there a motion to this? | 01:45:49 | |
I believe it. | 01:45:51 | |
We recommend we I move that we approve the recommended. | 01:45:54 | |
Staff recommendation. | 01:45:59 | |
Brother. | 01:46:01 | |
Retail store. | 01:46:02 | |
Zoning Registration, Storefront retail. | 01:46:03 | |
Storefront Retail. Thank you. | 01:46:06 | |
OK. Is there a second to that motion? | 01:46:09 | |
OK. | 01:46:12 | |
So Commissioner Nijinsky moved that we accept the staff recommendation. | 01:46:13 | |
On. | 01:46:18 | |
Storefront. | 01:46:19 | |
Cannabis. | 01:46:20 | |
Retailers be allowed in the. | 01:46:21 | |
Zoning districts of CD C1C2. | 01:46:23 | |
And CFH. | 01:46:27 | |
And I believe also that that would include the 1000 foot buffer. | 01:46:30 | |
Am I correct with that? Do we need a friendly amendment for that or? | 01:46:34 | |
No. | 01:46:38 | |
OK. | 01:46:40 | |
And there's a seconded by Commissioner Sawyer. So is there further discussion? | 01:46:40 | |
If not, then Mr. Campbell, can you call the roll please? | 01:46:46 | |
Or I'm sorry, commissioner, Kobe, cut. Make sure that we're. | 01:46:49 | |
I want to make sure we're very specific. | 01:46:54 | |
OK. That it is not the delivery service? | 01:46:56 | |
The. | 01:47:00 | |
There would be no confusion in the future and if retailer. | 01:47:01 | |
Using the term retailer is the correct legal term. | 01:47:05 | |
To do that. | 01:47:09 | |
Then I have no problem. | 01:47:10 | |
But I want to make sure that it is not. | 01:47:12 | |
Storefront retailer, it's the motion, OK And that that is the one. | 01:47:15 | |
Retailer that the city will then. | 01:47:20 | |
Require a. | 01:47:22 | |
License for. | 01:47:24 | |
OK. | 01:47:25 | |
Is that is that specific enough, Miss Vega? | 01:47:26 | |
I would just like to clarify. | 01:47:29 | |
That a storefront retailer, the 1 storefront retailer. | 01:47:31 | |
Could offer delivery service as a part of their business. | 01:47:36 | |
And that would be allowed. So it would be a combination of storefront walk in. | 01:47:39 | |
Sales and Delivery sales. | 01:47:46 | |
That is, that is an option. | 01:47:48 | |
Under both state licensing and how the the licensing ordinance for the city is currently drafted and we haven't received any. | 01:47:50 | |
Concrete direction. | 01:48:00 | |
On whether. | 01:48:02 | |
On the specific issue of allowing. | 01:48:03 | |
Delivery. | 01:48:06 | |
At the storefront retailer from the City Council at this point in time. | 01:48:07 | |
So that would be basically if the dealer then at this point so chose. | 01:48:12 | |
Correct. They wouldn't be mandated to it, but it is something that they could decide to provide as a part of their business model. | 01:48:17 | |
All right. | 01:48:25 | |
Is that clear, then, to everybody, or are you satisfied with that, Commissioner? | 01:48:26 | |
Then if there's no further discussion, could you call the roll, Mr. Campbell? | 01:48:32 | |
Yes. | 01:48:37 | |
Commissioner Nizki. |