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It's 4:00 o'clock, and welcome to the city of Pacific Grove. 00:00:13
Traffic Safety Commission our regular. 00:00:17
Monthly meeting. 00:00:20
This meeting will be held in person and it's also being held virtually. 00:00:22
Via Zoom. 00:00:27
First item on the agenda will be. 00:00:29
Approval of the agenda. 00:00:32
Anyone would like to? 00:00:35
Excuse me? 00:00:39
Let me go back. 00:00:40
And Director, could we do roll call please? 00:00:42
Of course. 00:00:47
Commissioner Brown. 00:00:48
Here. 00:00:50
Commissioner Greening. 00:00:50
Yeah. 00:00:52
Vice Chair Gunby here, Commissioner Prock. 00:00:54
Commissioner Samas. 00:00:58
Here. 00:01:00
Commissioner Stern. 00:01:02
Chair floors. Lunas floors. Excuse me. 00:01:04
All present. 00:01:07
Thank you. 00:01:10
Now we go to the approval of the agenda. 00:01:12
Umm. 00:01:14
Anyway, anybody like to? 00:01:15
Agenda. 00:01:19
2nd. 00:01:21
OK. 00:01:22
After the vote, please. 00:01:23
Commissioner Brown. 00:01:29
Yes. 00:01:30
Chair Munoz Flores, Commissioner Greening. 00:01:32
Commissioner Gumby, yes, Commissioner Prock. 00:01:36
Commissioner Shamas. 00:01:40
Commissioner Stern. 00:01:42
All approved. 00:01:46
Thank you. 00:01:47
Approval of the Minutes The minutes for the April 25th. 00:01:48
2023 meeting will be approved at the June 27th. 00:01:51
2023 meeting. 00:01:55
So we moved to item three, general public comment. 00:01:58
General public comment must deal with matters subject to the jurisdiction of the City. 00:02:01
And the Traffic Safety Commission. 00:02:05
That are not on the regular agenda comments. 00:02:07
From the public will be limited to 3 minutes. 00:02:10
And will not receive Traffic Safety Commission action. 00:02:13
Comments regarding items on the regular agenda shall be heard. 00:02:16
Prior to traffic. 00:02:19
If you commissions consideration of such items. 00:02:21
At the time such items are called. 00:02:24
Whenever possible, reading correspondence. 00:02:26
Should be submitted to the Traffic Safety Commission in advance. 00:02:29
Of the meeting to provide adequate time. 00:02:32
For its consideration. 00:02:34
We have any public comments? 00:02:42
Treasure Go. 00:02:44
I do not see any hands raised. 00:02:45
Virtually. 00:02:48
We do have a few people in attendance. 00:02:49
OK. Thank you. 00:02:51
OK, moving to. 00:02:53
Item 4 written comment. 00:02:57
Umm. 00:02:59
We received two comments. 00:03:00
Umm. 00:03:02
Went from. 00:03:03
Alex Hunt regarding. 00:03:06
Synex traffic calming? 00:03:09
And we also received another. 00:03:11
From. 00:03:14
Susan. 00:03:15
There's a koski. I hope I pronounced it correctly. 00:03:18
Regarding. 00:03:22
Trash and overnight parking. 00:03:24
In the areas of the ocean view which I think. 00:03:27
We may discuss that to some degree today. 00:03:30
And most recently. 00:03:32
It didn't make the agenda, but we received another comment. 00:03:34
From. 00:03:37
Miss Lorenzen? 00:03:38
Regarding possible error. 00:03:40
In the city ordinance. 00:03:43
And I believe we're going to discuss that as well at a later. 00:03:45
Point. 00:03:48
And. 00:03:50
Director Go, any comments on this? 00:03:52
I do not have any. 00:03:55
OK. 00:03:57
And OK and item B. 00:03:59
Oral communication. 00:04:02
I don't see anybody's hand up. 00:04:09
That's correct. 00:04:11
OK, Item 4 Commission and Staff Announcement City related items only. 00:04:12
Subsection A Announcements. 00:04:17
Once again, the minutes for this meeting, I will prepare them. 00:04:20
Umm. 00:04:24
As a side note, I'm still evaluating. 00:04:25
Whether or not the transcript provided by Zoom. 00:04:28
Would be adequate. 00:04:31
And I did receive one copy. 00:04:33
And I need to get some more information about it. 00:04:35
I know other commissions use it. 00:04:38
And we're evaluating whether or not it would be appropriate. 00:04:40
Year 2. 00:04:43
Another announcement we received information that Commissioner Murray. 00:04:44
I resigned from the Commission. We thank her for her service. 00:04:48
And we're pleased to welcome Beth. 00:04:52
Shamus. 00:04:55
Shamas. 00:04:56
To our Commission. 00:04:57
Welcome. 00:04:59
Umm. 00:05:01
4th item under Announcements. 00:05:03
A discussion of an alternate to attend a TMC meeting. 00:05:06
If our Commissioner Stern is not able to attend. 00:05:11
So at this time I'll entertain. 00:05:14
A volunteer. 00:05:17
Who would like to do that? 00:05:20
I'd be happy to do it. Ohh wonderful. 00:05:22
So. 00:05:25
Racial Commissioner Brown will be attending. 00:05:27
In her absence. 00:05:30
And the last item under Announcements. 00:05:34
We've. 00:05:37
Had some challenges in finding a secretary. 00:05:38
To prepare the minutes for future meetings. 00:05:41
And I'm wondering if there's a. 00:05:44
Reinhard Soul. 00:05:47
Who would be interested in? 00:05:49
Volunteering. 00:05:51
If not, I have a proposal. 00:05:52
The proposal then would be. 00:05:58
Probably in a very unkind way. 00:06:01
Will be that I will post for our next agenda. 00:06:04
A list of. 00:06:07
Commissioners who will be assigned. 00:06:09
To complete. 00:06:11
The minutes for the following meetings. 00:06:13
Commencing in June. 00:06:16
And. 00:06:20
Then. 00:06:23
It'll be that person's responsibility. 00:06:24
To find somebody to substitute for them. 00:06:27
In the event that they can do it. 00:06:29
Any discussion about that? 00:06:33
Seems to make sense, OK. 00:06:37
Essentially. 00:06:41
OK. 00:06:44
Subsection B Staff and Commissioners meeting attendance. 00:06:46
And items of interest to the Commission. 00:06:49
Umm. 00:06:51
Council member Emilio will update the Commission. 00:06:52
On recent actions by the City Council. 00:06:55
Council member. 00:06:57
Good evening. 00:07:07
Give you some. 00:07:08
Tidbits of information from the last council meeting. 00:07:10
And there was a mayor's proclamation for recognizing Public Works Department. 00:07:13
For the City of Pacific Grove. 00:07:20
We also had. 00:07:22
A an agreement with a new accounting firm. It's called Pune. 00:07:26
That was agreed upon. 00:07:33
For accounting, the for accountant for the finance department. 00:07:36
There was also quite a few items that were. 00:07:41
Consent items. Also there was a hospital Improvement District. 00:07:46
Was approved and the Downtown Business Improvement District was. 00:07:51
Was approved. Also the formal selection of the General Plan consultant. 00:07:57
Is right now in in the queue, but it's right now it's being discussed. 00:08:02
There was also a lengthy discussion on the. 00:08:11
Draft cannabis regulations. 00:08:15
And we spent probably about. 00:08:18
Couple hours on that. 00:08:22
And there were several questions each council person had to answer or try to answer, and we try to come to some consensus on the 00:08:23
questions. 00:08:28
But that's still has to be discussed further. 00:08:33
If you have any questions, I'll be happy to. 00:08:37
Discuss. 00:08:42
I've got a question. I don't know if it fits into the general planning consultants work, but. 00:08:42
We had had discussions in this group before. 00:08:48
About a parking plan. 00:08:52
Do you have any concept of what's going on with that? 00:08:54
I I don't know what's going on with the parking plan that it was in in the queue on that the Mr. Gold do you happen to have any 00:08:57
information on the parking plan? 00:09:02
I do not have any information at the present moment on the parking plan. I know that we've received proposals. The proposals came 00:09:09
in significantly higher than our allotted budget. 00:09:13
That was a plan that was being. 00:09:18
Brought forth from the Police Department and they're currently. 00:09:20
Trying to come up with a. 00:09:24
Method to move the plan forward. 00:09:26
But it was very comprehensive. 00:09:30
The whole city downtown, all our parking lots, our meters, so on and so forth. 00:09:31
Yeah. It's my understanding we haven't had it changed since like 79 or something. So I I know they're working on it. Yeah. Thank 00:09:36
you very much. OK. Appreciate it. 00:09:40
Thank you. 00:09:45
Thank you. 00:09:46
And. 00:09:48
Our team MC bike and pedestrian safety. 00:09:49
Committee member. 00:09:53
Commissioner Stern. 00:09:54
So the last Camp C meeting was on May 3rd, and there were two major items of discussion. The first one was. 00:09:57
Transit Orientated Development study that is being looked at in five different areas Salinas, Marina CSUB. 00:10:05
Sand City, Seaside and Monterey. 00:10:15
And the objective of the study is to really. 00:10:18
Help increase transit ridership. 00:10:22
Umm. 00:10:25
This is a project that is also looking at. 00:10:26
Potentially using social housing. So social housing is when the city decides to purchase properties to help. 00:10:30
Community members afford housing in the area, so instead of public housing, it's social housing. 00:10:38
It's not exactly at market rate, it's. 00:10:44
Something that's a bit different, so the. 00:10:47
And the person that's looking into it might also look into social housing. That was a suggestion, another suggestion to increase 00:10:51
ridership. 00:10:55
In transit orientated areas was. 00:10:59
Looking at buses and making sure that electric bikes can go on the front of buses because a lot of the issues are at the last 00:11:03
mile. 00:11:08
And so if folks are incentivized to have electric bikes. 00:11:13
Buses that run in those areas should also be able to. 00:11:18
Take on those bicycles because they're really heavy and we currently don't have structures to provide mobility for those bikes. So 00:11:23
we're also another suggestion was. 00:11:29
Including bike vendors and transit orientated development area so on the ground floor retail could be bike related. 00:11:36
But also it's part of the SURF Bus Way BRT project, this TD development study. 00:11:45
The second item was the Salinas Vision 0 program. 00:11:53
Salinas. 00:11:58
Actually created an action plan in 2021 and they adopted their policy. The idea is to have no collisions with pedestrians from 00:12:00
vehicles, so no deaths, no accidents. 00:12:06
And it could be something, if we don't already have it here, something that we can look into having our own Pacific Grove Zero 00:12:13
Vision plan. 00:12:17
This looks at 10 year study of collision history using geospatial. 00:12:23
Analysis and showing hotspots of where to put energy towards making it safer. 00:12:29
So I think this would be definitely of interest for this specific Commission. 00:12:36
And also potentially adopting a zero vision plan. 00:12:41
Umm. 00:12:44
And it's also being funded through grant applications. 00:12:45
And this is a living document that Salinas has made, so it's supposed to be updated every four to five years. 00:12:50
And they're hoping to have a new update pretty soon. 00:12:56
And that concludes the TMC updates. 00:13:00
Thank you for such a complete report. Any comments? Questions. 00:13:03
OK. 00:13:09
I don't fire. 00:13:11
Regular agenda, unfinished business. 00:13:12
And Commander Santos was going to present and I believe Director Gill. 00:13:15
Will be presenting on his behalf. 00:13:19
Umm. 00:13:21
Information to support an amendment to the ordinance. 00:13:23
Regarding overnight parking regulations. 00:13:25
Thank you, Chair Munoz Flores. Yes, I will be. 00:13:30
I'm filling in for Commander Santos today. 00:13:33
Both him and the police chief are unavailable. 00:13:36
So Commander Santos wrote this report and. 00:13:40
We've, as you know, through the traffic Commission, we get multiple inquiries. 00:13:44
About parking overnight. 00:13:48
And on Ocean View Blvd. primarily on the seaward side of Ocean View. 00:13:50
We already have restrictions in place. 00:13:56
Primarily from sea palm. The turnout. 00:14:00
To Lighthouse Ave. 00:14:03
So that would be Lighthouse Ave. over by the Noah building. 00:14:05
Is where we have restrictions in place so there's no parking between the hours of 12 AM. 00:14:09
And 5:00 AM. 00:14:14
We also have various restrictions in place where we have some meters. 00:14:17
And on some of those side streets like Dewey, which is noted in your report. 00:14:22
We also received an e-mail. 00:14:27
From Miss Bomber. 00:14:29
That the ordinance may possibly have an air. 00:14:32
We'll be reviewing that. 00:14:35
Ordinance in its entirety. 00:14:37
And bringing forth that the City Council for consideration and if there's an air in it. 00:14:40
Then that that would be the time that we would correct that error. 00:14:45
But what we're looking to do here is limit the parking on the rest of Ocean View Blvd. So basically from the end of the meters 00:14:48
which. 00:14:52
It's. 00:14:58
A little bit. 00:14:59
Before 1st Street, but we'll use 1st St. 00:15:01
As just a reference point to about sea palm, so around lovers point, and so on and so forth. 00:15:04
And what I believe the. 00:15:09
Police Department wants to do in parking enforcement. 00:15:10
Is enact that 12:00 AM to 5:00 AM. 00:15:14
Parking restriction throughout our whole coastline. 00:15:17
On the C word side. 00:15:20
Now there's a hurdle we're going to have to take. 00:15:21
We're gonna have to get the ordinance approved through the City Council. 00:15:24
There's going to be coastal Commission elements and permitting elements that will have to tackle, so this isn't just. 00:15:27
A rubber stamp. Let's put it into the code and let's start enacting it. 00:15:33
But the first step we're asking tonight is the blessing from the traffic Commission. 00:15:38
To move this forward, so if you. 00:15:42
Rant the recommendation, then we'll take it forward to. 00:15:46
The City Council. 00:15:50
With the recommendation that the traffic Commission. 00:15:52
Is in agreeance with staff to make this change to the ordinance and that's what we're asking for tonight. 00:15:57
Just your blessing for us to continue with the process. 00:16:04
That concludes my report. 00:16:07
And and director go after our discussion. 00:16:09
All you need is an AI from everyone. 00:16:12
Or do you need a proposal or? 00:16:15
We're just looking for a vote. Let's see. We're looking. 00:16:16
For your support, so a recommendation to support. 00:16:21
Staff to move forward with ordinance changes limiting the parking throughout all of Ocean View Blvd. 00:16:25
Basically what those time limits of 12:00 AM to 5:00 AM. 00:16:32
Mr. Chairman, it does not have to be. 00:16:35
Excuse me, Commissioner, it doesn't have to be a majority or a. 00:16:38
Unanimous. 00:16:43
But a majority would then give us the opportunity to bring that forth and say we have a majority vote with the. 00:16:45
Traffic Commission. 00:16:51
OK. Thank you. Make changes. 00:16:52
Yeah, Mr. Chairman, I I wanted to address a few issues that I think we have to keep into consideration. 00:16:54
Before we the. I don't mean to interrupt again, but before the. 00:17:00
The liberation of the traffic Commission begins. We should go out to public comment. 00:17:04
So sorry, yeah. And then I now have concluded my staff report. 00:17:09
OK, public comment, We have one hand up. 00:17:13
OK, we got a couple hands of a bear with me, I've never done it on this system right here, so let me see. 00:17:16
As Dormer, you have the floor. 00:17:24
Thank you, Dan. You did just great. 00:17:26
OK, but I have no idea how to do the timer. So I'm going to use the judgment. I'm not going to talk long Dan, No problem. 00:17:29
Yes, public comment is very, very important. We've got to say our piece. 00:17:38
And I want to support this. I think that the overnight parking all along Ocean View does create incredible environmental issues. 00:17:44
And as far as my. 00:17:55
Little bit of that one block of the West side of Dewey well. 00:17:59
That one probably has to do with the Coastal Commission too, but the 9:00 to 6:00 is ridiculous and that's what will be brought 00:18:03
back forth to AS. 00:18:08
With an amendment, with your support. 00:18:13
But it's never had any parking there because that's where the parking meters are on the east side and it's a two way for that one 00:18:15
block. 00:18:19
The rest of the other block of Dewey is. 00:18:24
One way. 00:18:27
So it's it's just a real little can of worms down there, but it's never had parking, so I hope that gets fixed too. 00:18:28
And yes, I fully support this, not. 00:18:37
Overnight parking along the coast. 00:18:40
To environmentally unsound. 00:18:42
Thank you very much. 00:18:45
Welcome, Kim. 00:18:54
Thank you. I also support this. I am down on the coastline every single morning, first thing in the morning, usually around 6:30. 00:18:56
And we repeatedly see cars that have been camping there overnight see a lot of garbage left behind. 00:19:07
There are no bathroom facilities, so people are using the wreck trail. 00:19:15
We've had issues certainly during the pupping season with this. 00:19:20
And also we notice. 00:19:25
Oftentimes people just sitting there idling, which? 00:19:28
If I'm not mistaken, we have an ordinance about that, but they're trying to warm their car so they sit running their engine for an 00:19:31
extended amount of time. 00:19:35
So this would certainly help with all of those issues and I support it wholeheartedly. Thank you for bringing it forward. 00:19:40
No further hands raised. Thank you very much, Commissioners. 00:19:51
Mr. Chairman, I'd. 00:19:55
Like to address this for a minute? We we've. 00:19:56
As you know, I think members of the panel that have been here for a little while. 00:20:00
We've actually discussed this issue a number of times and. 00:20:05
One of the concerns that I have is the interaction with the Coastal Commission. 00:20:08
There is some precedent. 00:20:13
And some precedent was recently sent. 00:20:14
Said actually is is as late as April this year by the city of Santa Cruz. 00:20:17
They tried to enact a similar type. 00:20:24
Modification to their parking restrictions. 00:20:29
And it would not have passed if they hadn't taken into consideration what's considered. 00:20:33
Environmental justice. And I know that may sound a little bit weird. 00:20:39
But there's actually a law in this state that you have to take that in consideration. It's also something that. 00:20:43
The Coastal Commission looks at very seriously. 00:20:49
And one of the things I want to make sure we do as we bring this up to. 00:20:53
The City Council and others who are investigating it. 00:20:58
Is that we look at what has happened and what the the Commission. 00:21:01
The Coastal Commission considered and why they agreed with the Santa Cruz statue. 00:21:05
One of the things that the Santa Cruz Statute had in it, which has never been discussed by us. 00:21:13
Was having these safe parking zones. 00:21:18
Or what's called a safe parking zone program. 00:21:22
Where you could say, OK, you can't park on the coast. 00:21:25
But you can park in these places and their facilities for that to that effect. 00:21:29
One of the things that I've noticed, and I think all of us have, is, for example, there's. 00:21:35
No. 00:21:39
Facility for. 00:21:40
Bathrooms or anything like it at Asilomar. 00:21:42
As a matter of fact, there's nothing on the coast. 00:21:45
In that regard. 00:21:48
But the Coastal Commission thought that it was important. 00:21:49
And actually critical. 00:21:52
That the city of Santa Cruz had set up the special program. 00:21:54
For people to park alternately. 00:21:59
With extended larger vehicles, which is one of the things we had talked about. 00:22:02
So that they would have those facilities and they could also protect the coastline. 00:22:07
While allowing them access, obviously everyone accessed during the day. 00:22:13
What I am also suggesting is. 00:22:17
There is a paper I. 00:22:21
Like to try to circulate? 00:22:22
For everybody involved, ironically. 00:22:24
It's one that my daughter just did. 00:22:26
And she just graduated from law school and she actually studied this issue. 00:22:29
Because it is a very important issue that's affecting all the coastal towns in California. 00:22:34
And there is a group that will litigate this if somehow we didn't get it right. 00:22:39
Because they will take it to the Commission and I think. 00:22:45
We would like to try to do something that would avoid that, since it would make it much more expensive. 00:22:48
To affect this change. 00:22:53
I personally AM. 00:22:55
Very much in favour of. 00:22:57
A change. 00:23:00
To try to discourage people from. 00:23:01
Being along the coastline because I have seen it myself. 00:23:03
I you know, I use the Sylmar beach a great deal. 00:23:07
I see people there day after day after day. I don't think they're cars or trucks or whatever. They've got to move very much. 00:23:11
And I am concerned about the effect on the environment and just. 00:23:18
Generally. 00:23:22
Umm. 00:23:24
It's it's a situation that's that needs to be addressed. 00:23:25
But if I can somehow. 00:23:28
Provide this information to you about the what's happened in Santa Cruz, et cetera. 00:23:31
And whoever else is involved, I'd like to be able to do that. 00:23:36
And thank you very much for your time. 00:23:39
Thank you very much. 00:23:42
Commissioner Park. 00:23:45
But we do have one spot. There's a possibility, and that's by the pond. 00:23:52
Through the 18th hole as the parking area in the world the rest. 00:23:56
So that may be our our one way out. 00:24:01
That the, the discipline of the crucial Commission did that would be something we want to emphasize and having enough parking 00:24:05
places there would be important and then an alternative if if that's not available. 00:24:11
But that's something we can discuss in further detail. But thank you for reminding me that. 00:24:17
I have a comment. 00:24:23
Commissioner Brown, thank you for bringing this up. Environmental justice is something that I feel strongly about and that was one 00:24:25
of my concerns about. 00:24:29
This ordinance, so I appreciate the concern to find a place that's safe. 00:24:33
For individuals that might need to park overnight and I think that space near the the pond. 00:24:38
Is a great suggestion, and I'd be in favor of. 00:24:45
Also supporting this as long as we find an alternate spot as well. 00:24:48
In in addition to the. 00:24:53
Placed by the pond. 00:24:55
I'm sure I had another question for Commissioner Brown. Does the the city of Santa Cruz, they have a time limit of how many nights 00:25:00
of the stay in one spot or and? 00:25:06
What did the Coastal Commission? 00:25:12
Think about something like that. It was it was it was an overnight. 00:25:15
Reference. And it was for the entire time. Just like we're talking about maybe 12:00 to 5:00 in the morning. Nobody can park, 00:25:18
right? 00:25:22
Period. Period. OK. 00:25:25
All right. 00:25:27
Well, I guess. 00:25:30
Following up. 00:25:32
In the safe areas were there. 00:25:34
Were there other restrictions within the safe areas, like people had to move on every day or then they had to come back separately 00:25:36
at night or how did that you know I should amend this? This is for oversized vehicles in Santa Cruz. I I don't know the answer to 00:25:42
that, but I can find out alright and I'd be interested to. 00:25:49
See your your daughter's paper on the. 00:25:55
Thank you. 00:25:58
Thank you. 00:25:58
Thanks. 00:26:00
Anyone else? 00:26:02
And wholeheartedly. 00:26:05
For this. 00:26:07
Thank you so much. 00:26:09
Commissioner. 00:26:12
It seems reasonable. 00:26:17
I especially since most of ocean view and sunset I thought already had the. 00:26:19
Midnight to 5:00 AM. 00:26:25
Requirement. 00:26:28
So does it? Does it mean that? 00:26:29
You could the require That requirement doesn't apply to the other side of the street. 00:26:32
So the section you're talking about down by Dewey. 00:26:40
Are you are you seeing that? 00:26:45
That we're just talking about. 00:26:47
The Oceanside of ocean view but not. 00:26:49
That. 00:26:52
The house side. 00:26:53
Commissioner Schmitz, I believe that is correct. 00:26:57
Yeah. 00:26:59
The Oceanside is what we're referencing. 00:27:00
Yeah, if if I, inward side is used by residents. 00:27:03
Yeah. 00:27:07
Yeah, I mean, I think that's part of the problem with the oversized vehicles. 00:27:08
You'd have to differentiate them because otherwise you. 00:27:13
I don't see what the difference is if you're park on the inside. 00:27:16
Instead of the outside. I think you're going to have the same problem. 00:27:19
Aren't you? 00:27:22
I wouldn't want that parked in front of my house. 00:27:24
No, I'm just. 00:27:27
I'm just confused about why. 00:27:29
On one side of the street, it's an environmental hazard. 00:27:31
But not. 00:27:36
You know, 10 feet away, it's not. I don't know. 00:27:37
In general, I'm in favor of it. 00:27:42
I have a quick question for Director Gale. Doesn't the city have an oversized vehicle parking ordinance as it is nothing over like 00:27:45
12 feet tall and 22 feet long or something like that overnight? 00:27:51
Commissioner Gumby, we do have. 00:27:58
Parameters set forth in the code. 00:28:02
Do I know what they are? You're citing specific feet. I don't know those. I could look them up. 00:28:04
But yes, we do have. 00:28:10
Sections of the code, but if I recall and I'm trying to recall. 00:28:13
I thought it was like for a certain amount of time, like not to exceed 24 hours or 48 hours. 00:28:18
Anywhere throughout town. 00:28:24
And have the look, but yes, we do have sections in the code like that, yeah. And I think there was even a permit process where if 00:28:26
you're you're working on it, you know? 00:28:30
Loading it up for a trip or something, you could park it. 00:28:35
For. 00:28:38
For several days. 00:28:39
Before your trip or after your trip, So there were accommodations for people who. 00:28:41
Who needed it? But it wasn't. 00:28:45
I guess the idea was somebody parking a. 00:28:47
5th wheel in front of their house for weeks. 00:28:50
And weeks on time. 00:28:53
Thank you. 00:28:55
I believe that. 00:28:57
The average length of the parking space in Pacific Grove is 22 feet, so if you have a vehicle that's longer than 22 feet, it's 00:28:59
not. 00:29:02
Able to pack. 00:29:08
It's considered oversize. 00:29:09
Yeah, they the the complication I see here is, is not with some of the things we've been talking about, but the fact that it could 00:29:11
require interaction with the Coastal Commission. 00:29:15
That's that's really the concern because all these areas that we're talking about are within the coastal zone. 00:29:20
And therefore, there's an appeal process that can be taken even if we pass an ordinance. 00:29:25
To the Coastal Commission and if we pass something new, I have a feeling that's going to correct. 00:29:30
You know it's gonna attract attention. 00:29:36
And we do need something. 00:29:40
So it's just something we have to consider as we're going through this. 00:29:42
Well. 00:29:49
You know clearly I I support it 100% this is come up before. 00:29:50
I know in my travels on a bike and in the vehicle I see. 00:29:54
More and more extended vans. 00:30:00
And they have become a manifestation. 00:30:02
After the pandemic. 00:30:05
Where people bought these large fans. 00:30:07
That don't fit within the ordinance of the city as far as the length goes, because there was a previous. 00:30:09
Presentation by the Police Department. 00:30:15
And made it almost seem. 00:30:17
Overwhelmingly difficult. 00:30:20
To overcome so I think. 00:30:21
Limiting the hours and and my wonder. 00:30:23
Is in a previous city that I worked for. 00:30:26
There was no overnight parking. 00:30:28
Period. 00:30:31
Between the hours of. 00:30:32
Midnight and 6:00 o'clock. 00:30:34
Throughout the city. 00:30:36
And I'm wondering. 00:30:37
If the Coastal Commission. 00:30:39
Would be more accepting. 00:30:41
Of something like that, I think. 00:30:44
I I'm so excited that this is being looked at. 00:30:46
Because I remember having been on the Commission a couple years ago. 00:30:49
Giving back, then we had some citizens. 00:30:53
And. 00:30:56
And I really value. 00:30:57
Public comment, by the way. 00:30:58
Some of our citizens. 00:31:00
Were commenting about the lack of the bathrooms. 00:31:01
About paraphernalia that they discovered the following day. 00:31:04
That I don't even want to describe. 00:31:08
And so I think this is a long time in coming. 00:31:09
I'd hate for our beautiful coastline. 00:31:12
To look like parts of Carbonaria. 00:31:15
In Ventura. 00:31:17
Where it's bumper to bumper van. 00:31:18
And motor homes. 00:31:20
I think the closing Commission would find that more. 00:31:22
You know, unacceptable. 00:31:25
Then that's all. 00:31:27
I think all of us are in support. 00:31:29
Director Go. 00:31:32
And I don't know if you need anything further. 00:31:33
But we're really excited about this. 00:31:36
I think we should. 00:31:40
I think we are looking for a motion. OK, a request and I was looking up. I'm looking for the code just for Mr. Gumby to see if I 00:31:42
could find that regulations on the parking and I don't have it at my fingertips. 00:31:47
Can I ask question for clarification? So what we're asking you to do is to explore this in more detail. 00:31:53
To try to come up with a recommendation. 00:32:01
Because I want to make sure we're taking a consideration. 00:32:04
Environmental Justice and the. 00:32:08
The effect. 00:32:11
That. 00:32:12
The fact that this is in the coastal zone may have and what have we come up with? 00:32:13
Does that make sense? 00:32:21
That makes sense. And if that's if you would like to make another one to put. 00:32:22
Words in. 00:32:27
Commissioner or chair, Munoz floors as well, but if you want to make a motion. 00:32:28
Stating that that we need to look at the environmental justice aspects of it. 00:32:32
That's within your purview. I'll go ahead and do it, I suppose. 00:32:38
The Traffic Safety Commission. 00:32:42
Supports. 00:32:44
Public works in the City of Pacific Grove to explore other options. 00:32:45
Taking into account social justice. 00:32:49
Environmental factors. 00:32:52
And the quality of life. 00:32:53
Of our community. 00:32:56
Umm. 00:32:58
To look for options. 00:32:59
In. 00:33:01
Limiting. 00:33:02
Overnight parking. 00:33:04
In the city. 00:33:05
It's specifically. 00:33:06
In the coastline. 00:33:07
Yeah, we'll just make one correction, Environmental justice. 00:33:09
An additional suggestion and that we review the Coastal Commission's approval of the Santa Cruz amendment or ordinance. 00:33:14
So we can. 00:33:27
Possibly repeat that. 00:33:28
No. 00:33:31
Yeah. 00:33:32
I would second that. 00:33:33
OK, call for the vote please. 00:33:35
Commissioner Brown agreed. 00:33:40
Chair Munoz Floors agree, Commissioner Greening. 00:33:42
Commissioner Gunby agreed. Commissioner Prock, Commissioner Shamas. 00:33:46
Agreed Commissioner Stern. 00:33:51
Motion passes 7 O. 00:33:54
Thank you very much. 00:33:56
Thank you. 00:33:57
And I will pass all that along along to the police chief. 00:33:59
We'll be working on this with her department. Thank you. 00:34:02
OK. 00:34:06
Item 2. Present presentation of traffic related. 00:34:07
Items directory go. 00:34:10
And Rich Deal, our traffic engineer. 00:34:12
Thank you very much. I would like to introduce Mr. Rich Deal to you. 00:34:16
He hasn't been before this new Commission before. 00:34:21
Rich has been our traffic engineer for approximately 3 years now, Yeah, yeah. 00:34:24
And has done some good work. 00:34:29
Throughout town already. 00:34:31
Reviews all of our. 00:34:33
Traffic related inquiries that come through this Commission. 00:34:35
Quite a few of the inquiries that come through from. 00:34:38
The public. 00:34:41
But also reviews all of our plan sets that we bring forth. 00:34:43
For our Rd. rehabilitation projects to make sure that we properly stripe. 00:34:47
All of the roadways and so on and so forth after completion of the construction. So he's an integral part of the city and the 00:34:51
public works department he is here today to present on. 00:34:57
Various items. 00:35:02
And he's got a little presentation I'm gonna share. 00:35:04
The presentation Rich can go ahead and do his thing. And then. 00:35:07
Open up for public comment, you guys ask questions. 00:35:11
Great. Well. 00:35:17
Dan's loading that. I'll just give you some background. 00:35:17
I've been doing traffic engineering for 38 years. I can't believe I'm that old. 00:35:21
Umm. 00:35:27
I started down in Southern California. 00:35:28
Did. 00:35:32
Over 600 signalized intersections. 00:35:33
Miles and miles of freeways interchanges. 00:35:36
I served as traffic engineer for dozens of agencies down there. 00:35:40
And then move to Monterey as city traffic engineer way back in 1994. 00:35:45
Was there for 20-3 years and then? 00:35:50
I was at the transportation agency from Monterey County launching all their Measure X projects. 00:35:53
And then I retired. 00:35:58
And then Dan needed out. 00:35:59
So here I am. 00:36:01
Offering my help, I'm just gonna blast through. This is especially good for new folks. 00:36:03
Um, because traffic engineering is kind of a weird industry. 00:36:09
It's unusual because. 00:36:13
You know, most of the tension is on crashes. 00:36:16
And you know if you wreck your car and intersection fire department is going to show up, extract you from your car, put you in the 00:36:20
ambulance and send you to Chomp. 00:36:23
Couple months later, you know you they show up at the fire station with cookies for the firemen who? 00:36:28
Got him out, which is a really great thing. 00:36:35
But wouldn't it be great if you didn't have to wreck your car? 00:36:37
And that's what I do. It's a weird job because you it's hard to quantify. 00:36:41
How do you quantify something that doesn't happen? 00:36:45
So I'm going to run through a bunch of things. 00:36:48
And. 00:36:51
I I Is it OK for them to ask questions as I'm going or you want me to just blaster? 00:36:52
It's OK with me. 00:36:57
Lester. 00:36:59
You know they ask questions if, if. 00:37:02
Commissioner has questions. 00:37:04
Thank you very much. And you're going to discuss the Traffic Safety manual? 00:37:07
Yep. Wonderful. 00:37:10
So this is pretty much what I'm gonna hit. I'll talk about the standards and the manual Uniform Traffic Control Devices, which is 00:37:12
a national. 00:37:15
Standard. 00:37:19
And then there's also the California one, which is a spin off. We'll talk about stop signs, talk about speed limits. 00:37:21
Talk about crosswalks. That covers about 90% of the stuff that will come across. 00:37:26
Your plate. 00:37:31
All right, standards I do serve on the. 00:37:36
National Committee for. 00:37:40
Writing the standards for the Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices we meet twice a year. 00:37:42
And we do all kinds of crazy things on several task forces, including crosswalks and some other stuff. 00:37:47
So I get some good insights from other engineers around. 00:37:53
The country and. 00:37:57
Here are the basic principles that are written into the MU TCD. 00:38:00
So really it talks about traffic control devices and how they're actually effective. 00:38:04
And these five principles we talk about all the time. 00:38:10
They've got to fulfill a need. 00:38:13
Command, attention convey a clear, simple meaning, which is probably the hardest one up there. 00:38:15
Command respect from road users and give adequate time for proper response. 00:38:22
A lot of this is directed towards. 00:38:27
You know how that device interacts with the driver? 00:38:29
But it also works with the pedestrian. 00:38:32
Or the bike rider, or whatever other micro. 00:38:35
Mobility. 00:38:39
Item there is. 00:38:40
So let's talk about stops. In the MTCD there's there are warrants for always stops. 00:38:44
There are not warrants for two way stops. 00:38:50
They're very common and essentially for A2 way stop. 00:38:53
The general starting point is you select the major St. 00:38:57
And you let that go through, and then you put stops on the minor St. and it helps control the right away. On whose turn is it to 00:39:02
go and. 00:39:06
It becomes a pretty natural. 00:39:10
Intuitive thing for drivers to figure out very very quickly. 00:39:13
A lot of times. 00:39:17
Low volume intersections don't need any control at all. 00:39:19
Some residential streets or intersections don't have any controls at all because. 00:39:22
They're so few. 00:39:26
Interactions that you don't have very many conflicts. Statistically is just very few conflicts. So it's you approach the 00:39:28
intersection with care and you cross one. 00:39:32
It's safer you can see. 00:39:36
Some people use, some guys use. 00:39:38
Yield signs. 00:39:40
For one. 00:39:41
Leg or the other and that's fine too. Well, let's talk about always stop warrants, because all always stops are. 00:39:42
Probably the most overused. 00:39:49
Feature or traffic control device that we have in our toolbox because they. 00:39:51
Tend to be used overused. 00:39:59
For speed control or traffic calming. 00:40:02
Um, and. 00:40:05
They're overused in cases where. 00:40:08
There might be longer delay on the side street. 00:40:10
And so folks are feeling a little cheated because they have to wait what feels like so long. 00:40:14
In order to get a break in traffic when it's their turn to go. 00:40:20
So. 00:40:24
The manuals got some warrants. They're basically based on 2. 00:40:25
Or three different principles. The first one is. 00:40:29
If you get a lot of crashes that are susceptible to right away issues like. 00:40:31
Right angle crashes, left turn crashes, things like that. 00:40:36
And you get 5. 00:40:40
In a 12 month period. 00:40:43
Then that would meet the crash warrant. 00:40:45
I've put them in when I've hit four because. 00:40:48
When you think about. 00:40:51
The number of conflicts. 00:40:52
Without crashes. 00:40:54
To get five reported collisions is a lot. 00:40:55
Of conflicts. 00:40:59
But it's designed so that you have to stop and think about OK. 00:41:01
Is this the right tool? Is before we start the right tool for dealing with these crashes? 00:41:06
In my experience, almost every intersection that has warranted an always stop has also needed geometric changes to make it work 00:41:10
more effectively. 00:41:14
And essentially. 00:41:19
I try and design my intersection so that. 00:41:21
All of the people entering the intersection feel like they understand what they're driving into. 00:41:24
It's intuitive. It feels like I should stop. I'm on the minor St. it feels like. 00:41:29
I should stop because you know it's their turn to go. It feels correct. 00:41:34
That's usually geometric changes. 00:41:39
So. 00:41:41
Second one is. 00:41:42
Umm. 00:41:43
There's a volume warrant. 00:41:45
And the volume one is designed so that. 00:41:47
At an intersection, the major St. has. 00:41:51
At least 300 cars an hour for 8 hours. That's a lot of traffic. 00:41:54
For a normal intersection. 00:42:00
And then also the side street would have at least 200 cars crossing that, or bikes or PEDs or dogs or. 00:42:02
Strollers or whatever. 00:42:09
And so the combined total is about 500. 00:42:11
Umm. 00:42:14
Per hour, so it's a lot. 00:42:16
It's a lot of traffic. 00:42:18
And. 00:42:21
When you have that much side street traffic. 00:42:23
Creating. 00:42:25
The. 00:42:26
Right away control, so you take turns on who goes through the intersection. Makes sense and a lot of times drivers are feeling 00:42:27
like that. 00:42:30
The downside is. 00:42:34
Whenever I put in an, always stop. 00:42:37
I add to the total delay in the intersection, so in two way stop. 00:42:39
The Minor St. 00:42:45
Has all the delay but as soon as I put in. 00:42:47
Always stop. 00:42:50
Now everybody has delay and each car. 00:42:51
Has some startup loss time that's added into the equation. What I mean is. 00:42:54
Your turn to get up into the you know at the stop line and you're going to. 00:43:00
Use your regular right away control person on the right goes first if you got the intersection first. 00:43:05
I don't always stop, and then it's your turn to go. 00:43:10
The time it takes to figure out, OK, is it my turn or is it your turn? 00:43:13
Or is it your turn? 00:43:17
Adds more delay than you normally had with A2 way stop. 00:43:18
So whenever I put in an, always stop. 00:43:24
The delay on the Major St. 00:43:27
Feels really substantial. 00:43:29
So we want to be really careful and not overuse. 00:43:31
And always stop control. 00:43:34
And you've heard of the California stock? 00:43:37
You know where you really kind of rolling through? 00:43:39
When? 00:43:43
Agencies overuse Always stop control. 00:43:44
Drivers get frustrated. 00:43:48
Especially in large grids, they're like I'm not stopping. 00:43:49
I gotta stop here and then here and then here, and two things usually happen. 00:43:53
Umm. 00:43:59
Either they're rolling the stops or. 00:44:01
They're speeding up in between stops, so the speed is higher. 00:44:04
Between stops. 00:44:09
And right now, almost every residential St. has. 00:44:11
An operating speed of between 29 and 31 miles an hour. 00:44:15
Everybody knows the speed limit is 25. 00:44:19
So why are we all driving 29 to 31 miles an hour? 00:44:21
Because it feels comfortable. 00:44:24
And we need to get somewhere. And we're humans and we're drivers, and that's just what we do. 00:44:26
Is it possible to deploy enough police resources to make everybody? 00:44:32
Drive 25. 00:44:35
No. 00:44:37
That's why. 00:44:38
In some. 00:44:39
Cases. 00:44:40
Traffic calming is much more effective. We put in things that make the. 00:44:42
Character of the street. Feel more residential and we can slow traffic down and people. 00:44:46
Are voluntarily. 00:44:50
Reducing their speeds because it feels like a more comfortable St. 00:44:53
Interesting when we do. 00:44:57
Traffic calming measures. 00:45:00
Those streets end up becoming more. 00:45:01
Livable. 00:45:04
And more bike friendly and more pedestrian friendly. 00:45:05
It's an interesting thing, Speed. 00:45:09
And and residential streets. 00:45:12
So anyways, that's stop control. 00:45:15
Umm. 00:45:17
I'm just gonna cruise through here. 00:45:18
Here's some alway stop control applications, so. 00:45:21
Really, the intent is for right away control, orderly movement of higher volume intersections. 00:45:26
Umm. 00:45:30
They are sometimes effective for unusual intersections with visibility limitations. 00:45:32
So the the intersection is so confusing it needs something extra. 00:45:38
And we've done this before. 00:45:42
And lastly, always stops our most effective when the. 00:45:44
Split between. 00:45:48
The major St. traffic and the minor St. traffic. 00:45:51
Isn't that range from 5050 to 6040? 00:45:54
I've had some always stops that were put in. 00:45:58
In the 7030 range, 3% on the miner St. 00:46:01
And we went out later and measured the compliance and we actually had a 7%. 00:46:05
Stopping compliance. 00:46:11
That's a single digit. 00:46:13
So they can be a little detrimental, even though the intent is. 00:46:15
You know, let's have a little better control and little runaway step. 00:46:20
OK. 00:46:27
They have some forest. 00:46:27
It's a very common intersection to GET requests for always stop. 00:46:29
Why is that? Well, it's kind of the main intersection in town. It feels like when you hit this intersection you are in. 00:46:34
Pacific Grove, This is kind of your shopping district? 00:46:40
So to a stop on Forest the miner St. 00:46:43
And the Major St. Lighthouse has angle parking on both sides and also in the median, so there's a lot going on. 00:46:46
It is a 15 mile an hour St. and it actually drives 15 miles an hour. It's a really good St. 00:46:54
It's very tight. 00:47:00
And sometimes it feels uncomfortable, but it feels uncomfortable in the way you would drive through. 00:47:02
A parking lot, like at Whole Foods. 00:47:07
It feels tight. 00:47:11
And that's why the speeds are low, which means it's generally very, very safe. We get very few crashes. 00:47:12
On Lighthouse, which is good. So let's talk about what if we put. 00:47:18
And always stop. 00:47:21
At Lighthouse and Forest. 00:47:23
We would add delay to the major St. 00:47:26
And the minor St. would have more opportunities to make. 00:47:30
Turns into and out of lighthouse and crossing lighthouse. 00:47:34
However, the intersection is so wide. 00:47:38
We would need to do geometric improvements. 00:47:41
To tighten up that. 00:47:44
Interior of the. 00:47:46
Intersection so it would function more correctly and drivers could. 00:47:47
Make. 00:47:51
Good eye contact with their conflicting. 00:47:52
Drivers were coming from the right of the left. 00:47:56
Bike riders, pedestrians, all that kind of stuff. 00:47:58
So. 00:48:01
In this case. 00:48:01
Before I would want to put in an always stop, I would want to do geometric changes. 00:48:03
Which would make it operate. 00:48:07
More efficiently and correctly. 00:48:09
And if it still didn't work, then the always stop would be an appropriate measure. But generally the geometric improvements make 00:48:11
the need for additional right away. 00:48:16
Control just kind of evaporate. 00:48:21
So speed limits, we'll spend a little bit of time on this because they're one of the more that's good question. Yes, Sir. 00:48:26
When you say geometric changes. 00:48:32
Just theoretically in this situation because it's easier to visualize it with an example, what would you be talking about? So a 00:48:35
good you don't have a quantity. 00:48:39
A good example is. 00:48:44
Umm. 00:48:46
You see where the limit line on Forest is to the left of the screen. 00:48:47
If we pull that forward so that the driver. 00:48:54
Was felt like more inside the intersection. And thank you Sir. 00:48:58
It doesn't work. 00:49:05
Cursor maybe? 00:49:07
The mouse. 00:49:09
It's not giving you this pad. 00:49:11
Ohh man. OK, I'm just gonna talk it through. 00:49:14
I don't think that. 00:49:16
Never mind. 00:49:19
Anyways. 00:49:21
So we can build the curb extensions out. 00:49:22
Into the intersection so that when the driver on forest. 00:49:25
Is stopping at the limit line. 00:49:30
They're further into the intersection. You have a better line of sight looking at opposing traffic coming. 00:49:32
On lighthouse and do any side. 00:49:38
What does that do it? 00:49:40
Shrinks the interior space. 00:49:41
In the intersection, it makes the crosswalk shorter, so the pedestrians are spending less time in the intersection. 00:49:44
And far less exposure because they're not crossing such a long distance and in doing that. 00:49:51
The interaction between drivers is very positive. Same thing with pedestrians and bike riders and whatever. 00:49:56
So. 00:50:01
That's what I would do before I did. Always stop again if it. 00:50:02
You know, if the volume on forest increases to a point where, gosh, we could really use the right away control. 00:50:07
You do the improve the geometric improvements first, then do the stop Molly stop, and then it would. 00:50:13
Function really, really well. 00:50:18
Another quick question, is it possible to do those the geometric modifications by just paint? 00:50:20
As opposed to curbs or, you know, concrete or. 00:50:27
It is possible to do it temporarily as paint? 00:50:33
Umm. 00:50:37
But. 00:50:38
The doing it in concrete. 00:50:39
As a solution. 00:50:42
Puts the ADA ramps in the correct space. 00:50:44
In it. 00:50:47
Gives preserves the the sidewalk space at sidewalk grade. 00:50:48
For pedestrians waiting to cross the street and it gives them a refuge area that feels comfortable. 00:50:52
And it feels. 00:50:57
Like it's their space. So yes, you can do it in pain, but only on a. 00:50:59
Temporary basis. 00:51:04
Until you would build something. 00:51:05
Is this what you did at Congress and? 00:51:09
And pine. 00:51:13
Do we do? 00:51:15
Yes, very similar, but that was we did put in an always stop at that location. 00:51:19
Yeah. 00:51:23
Where it was only two way at one point. 00:51:24
But you also did the geometric aspects, didn't you? Build out into the street? 00:51:26
That's correct, because the and Mr. Deal wasn't here when we did that project. 00:51:30
Of Pine Ave. so wide. 00:51:34
That by us building those bulb outs, it just shortens up that pedestrian. 00:51:36
Crossing. 00:51:42
10 feet on each side makes a big difference when that pedestrians crossing in adds that added protection to the. 00:51:43
To the cross time. 00:51:49
Accused today and for getting that done. Good project. 00:51:52
Very intuitive. 00:51:56
OK, speed limits. 00:51:59
So speed limits are truly one of the worst. 00:52:02
Legislated. 00:52:06
Issues that are in the vehicle code. 00:52:08
Very little has changed since the 1958 printing. 00:52:10
Of the California vehicle code, which was the first time we printed and it was not distributed by. 00:52:15
The. 00:52:21
AAA. 00:52:21
Would have. 00:52:22
Very interest. 00:52:24
So here's some of the code sections. So California Vehicle Code Section 22350 is a basic speed law. 00:52:26
You shouldn't drive faster than. It's safe to do so. 00:52:32
Very common. A lot of speeding tickets written on that. 00:52:35
Very effectively, especially when it's raining or snowing. 00:52:38
Or flooding. Or whatever. 00:52:41
The next one is 22357, the prima facies speed limit, which is the speed limit that's set. 00:52:44
By the traffic engineer enforced by the Police Department. 00:52:50
And. 00:52:55
The Police Department is using radar or lidar. 00:52:56
As a measuring tool. 00:52:59
For. 00:53:01
Citing drivers. 00:53:03
And. 00:53:05
When this code actually went into effect in the 40s and 50s, I know that's a long time ago. 00:53:07
Of course, had a problem with agencies. 00:53:12
Arbitrarily posting speed limits too low. 00:53:16
And what the court was saying was gosh. 00:53:20
You know your speed limits are so low. 00:53:22
When you measure. 00:53:24
The prevailing speed. Everybody is a violator. 00:53:26
So. 00:53:29
You have to do an engineering and traffic survey. 00:53:30
In order to justify. 00:53:33
The speed limit that you put on the sign and. 00:53:34
Section 20 or 4082 is the speed trap law says you got to do with entering speed survey within five years or seven if your cups 00:53:38
are. 00:53:41
Certified that added out of that. So here's the engineering and traffic survey you have to have. 00:53:45
4. 00:53:50
Specific. 00:53:52
Things in each speech. Sorry. 00:53:54
Measurement of prevailing speeds. 00:53:56
Roadway conditions. 00:53:58
Crash history. 00:54:00
And. 00:54:02
A statement of conditions that are not really apparent to the driver. So let's go through these so you can get. 00:54:03
What happens? 00:54:07
Here's the data sheet from this was Central Ave. 00:54:08
I did this a few months ago. 00:54:14
What this is showing is each little X is a speed measurement. The code says gosh you gotta get a total of 50. 00:54:18
Umm. 00:54:27
Samples. 00:54:29
I use a minimum of 100. I try and get 50 in each direction if you've taken statistics. 00:54:31
34 is a valid sample or something. I want to make sure we double that. Part of it is getting the curve to look like a real bell 00:54:36
shaped curve so it's easier to pick out. 00:54:41
What makes a normal? 00:54:46
Speed limit. 00:54:48
So what's shown here is. 00:54:49
In the yellow bar. 00:54:52
That shows the place where. 00:54:54
85% of the drivers are driving at or less. 00:54:57
And it's a cumulative thing, so that happens to be 27 miles an hour. 00:55:01
And then the shaded Gray portion is the 10 mile an hour pace. 00:55:06
So in order to have a. 00:55:12
A good. 00:55:14
Speed limit. 00:55:16
You want your 85th percentile to be up toward the top of the pace. 00:55:17
And you want. 00:55:23
You want the majority of your traffic. 00:55:25
Inside. 00:55:27
That pace. 00:55:29
So you can see at the bottom I've got 87% of the traffic is inside that pace. That's a really good number. So central drives 00:55:30
really well. 00:55:34
So what the code says is you. 00:55:38
As a traffic engineer. 00:55:41
Should set the speed limit. 00:55:42
At the closest five mile an hour increment. 00:55:44
To your 85th percentile speed. 00:55:47
So 85th percentile speed is. 00:55:49
27 so. 00:55:51
I would post this at 25 miles an hour. 00:55:53
And when you look across it, the teeny little numbers at 25, it says 77% of the traffic is driving 25 miles an hour or less. 00:55:56
So it's a good speed limit and it's it functions really well. 00:56:04
If you look above the pace. 00:56:08
What you see is. The curve is. 00:56:11
Kind of dropping off to nothing and you see you know certain number of samples above 30 miles an hour. So that's kind of our. 00:56:13
More of our excessive speed range. 00:56:21
And so that's what the police would be targeting. 00:56:24
You know, it's set at 25, so gosh, there's plenty of people that are going 32, three, 3435. 00:56:28
And that's what they're doing behavior modification on, trying to bring them back down into. 00:56:34
The pace. 00:56:39
One more example. 00:56:41
So this is Congress. 00:56:44
This one you can see that I have. 00:56:46
And this is between David and Sunset. 00:56:49
Where we have the nice little pedestrian crossings, Robert Downs School. 00:56:53
The forest. 00:56:56
And. 00:56:59
It feels like a street you just should zip down. 00:56:59
So here the 85th percentile speed is 29 miles an hour. 87% of the traffic is in the pace, which is great. 00:57:02
So in this case, the closest five mile an hour increment would be 30 miles an hour. 00:57:09
So this should be posted at 30. 00:57:13
Miles an hour. 00:57:16
We have it posted at 25. 00:57:18
Because there is a condition that's not readily apparent to the driver, and I apologize this isn't big enough to read, but 00:57:20
essentially it says. 00:57:24
Congress Ave. has students walking to force Government Elementary School. 00:57:29
Swelling uncontrolled mid block crosswalks have warning systems. The presence of trees in the median and both sides of Congress 00:57:32
limits driver visibility of pedestrians. 00:57:36
Dictating and reduction reduction in posted speed. 00:57:41
Crash rate for this segment exceeds the statewide average, which justifies reduction in speed to 25 miles an hour. So I can the 00:57:44
code allows me to go 1/5 mile an hour increment. 00:57:49
Low. 00:57:55
The 85th percentile speed if I have a really good. 00:57:56
Justification for it. And so that's what this is. So it's posted at 25. 00:58:00
And. 00:58:05
When you look at the. 00:58:05
Statewide average. Essentially what it is, is you compare every street in California that's a two lane divided roadway and they 00:58:07
get this crash statistics for every one of those roads through the statewide. 00:58:13
Traffic monitoring. 00:58:19
Accident monitoring system. 00:58:21
And then your number of crashes is. 00:58:23
Per million vehicle miles as compared to theirs and that's how you get that number. 00:58:25
Alright. 00:58:33
I have some Congress. 00:58:34
I have this here because. 00:58:36
Umm. 00:58:38
We have had some complaints of speeding. 00:58:40
And there's an interesting. 00:58:43
Correlation. 00:58:46
Between. 00:58:47
Speeding and traffic volume. 00:58:48
It's not that the more traffic you get, the higher the speeds go. 00:58:52
Because generally when you get more congestion, the speeds drop, right? 00:58:56
But what happens is. 00:59:00
If you're at a location where. 00:59:02
You interact with someone who's driving way too fast. 00:59:05
You have an emotional reaction to averting the conflict. 00:59:09
Right. I mean and you can name. 00:59:13
Dozens in your own past of ohh my gosh. 00:59:15
You know, they just hit me. Ohh my gosh. 00:59:18
You know, and it those kind of interactions. 00:59:20
When you are at that location and the volume goes up. 00:59:23
Even though the speed's not going up. 00:59:27
The traffic volume feels like. 00:59:29
What you experienced before, there's too much traffic and everybody is speeding. 00:59:32
Everybody's not speeding, but that's what it feels like. 00:59:38
They're not wrong. It's just. 00:59:41
Feels that way. 00:59:42
Umm, and so. 00:59:44
Frequently I'll get. 00:59:48
Calls for. Gosh, you should. 00:59:49
People are speeding on my street. You know you should put in a stop sign. 00:59:51
Put an always stop. 00:59:55
Or you should put in speedups. 00:59:56
And frequently, if I get a call, it says. 00:59:59
People are speeding on my street and my cat got run over or my neighbor's cat got run. 01:00:01
You know what they ask for every time? 01:00:06
Children of play signs. 01:00:08
Because if that guy, dastardly guy, would run over a cat, no child is safe. 01:00:10
It's just the way it is. It's an emotional. 01:00:15
Attachment and a reaction to. 01:00:18
People that drive too fast. 01:00:21
Questions on speeding? 01:00:23
So with that. 01:00:27
Thing. 01:00:28
With all that data and stuff. 01:00:30
The ability to. 01:00:32
Arbitrarily lower a speed limit. 01:00:34
To answer a complaint of speeding. 01:00:38
Is very slim. 01:00:41
And. 01:00:43
I've done so many speed surveys. What I found is if I do the speed surveys and they're perfect. 01:00:46
None of my tickets get thrown out. 01:00:53
And I don't know if you've heard the chief talk about. 01:00:56
The three E's, You know, engineering, enforcement, education. 01:00:58
Umm. 01:01:03
If I get 1 ticket. 01:01:06
It's thrown out. 01:01:08
And one of my boys in blue goes up there and they go, ohh no, this survey is no good. 01:01:09
Guess who's gonna know the very next? 01:01:14
Time he walks into the station. 01:01:17
Every officer. 01:01:19
Ohh yeah I got that one thrown out. Don't go enforced over there. 01:01:20
So I lose a tool, even if it's sporadic. 01:01:24
I lose a tool. 01:01:27
For managing. 01:01:29
Driver behavior on those streets. So I try to make everyone perfect and I haven't lost. 01:01:30
Ticket yet based on the speech array. 01:01:36
Which is real. 01:01:38
Crosswalks. 01:01:41
Yes, Sir. 01:01:43
Excuse me, going back to Lighthouse and Congress, did you have any you brought? 01:01:44
We have a picture of it and I'm I'm probably one of those people who think that it should be a four way stop. 01:01:49
Um. 01:01:55
Did you have? 01:01:56
Any. 01:01:58
Ideas about how this one? 01:02:00
The issues, the issues I see are. 01:02:04
Potential speeding because when you're mostly eastbound. 01:02:07
People are transitioning from 25 plus down to 15, and they may not notice that until they're passed the Shell station. 01:02:13
And but I was also curious about the the. 01:02:22
Geometrics of the of the intersection because. 01:02:26
I've noticed that. 01:02:31
Sight lines are not good when you've got cars parking. 01:02:33
In front of the the post office in front of passion Fish, in front of toasties. 01:02:36
Yeah, that it does. It creates a very narrow window there. 01:02:44
Umm. 01:02:49
And then another question is how did you get away with 15 miles an hour? 01:02:50
Because that seems to be really really slow in most other cases but. 01:02:54
The you said it works fine at least most of the time. I guess on on White House you're really drives 15 which is really great. So 01:03:00
prevailing speed backs it up this intersection. There are a couple of points that you hit on that are that are very correct. 01:03:07
And intuitive. What makes this block a little bit different is you can see where the yellow Mustang is. 01:03:14
We don't have angle parking in the median and on the side, so the street is a little more wide open. 01:03:21
So in that direction. 01:03:28
The driver feels like. 01:03:30
She can go faster and they drive a little bit faster through there, so the speed is a little bit higher. 01:03:32
The visibility, Same thing, you know. 01:03:38
Doing curb extensions would tighten everything up and make it function a lot better. 01:03:41
And you know. 01:03:47
It would make it feel like more of a downtown. 01:03:49
Interesting. The curb extensions really help with the character. 01:03:51
Of. 01:03:55
The shopping district House district. 01:03:56
And. 01:03:59
I guess the most important thing. 01:04:02
I can really relay is every single thing. 01:04:04
I build in the right away is gonna either enhance. 01:04:07
Or a Rd. 01:04:11
Character. 01:04:12
Of the city. 01:04:13
So being really careful about what is our vision for what we're growing into. 01:04:14
Is really, really important. 01:04:18
So everything that we build should be very deliberate. 01:04:21
We should be trying to serve. 01:04:23
You know all the different modes, especially bikes, because bikes are becoming much more prominent. 01:04:26
Especially on the Peninsula, with electric bikes, you can get just about. 01:04:31
Everywhere. 01:04:36
Walking. Same thing it it should feel so comfortable. 01:04:37
To walk up to the corner that you know that that driver is gonna stop because you can make easy eye contact and you know it's just 01:04:41
seamless. 01:04:44
You know, you shouldn't have to like, grip your kids hands and go, OK, wait. 01:04:49
You know, wait, it's not clear. It should feel much more natural and into it. 01:04:54
So very. 01:05:00
Very good question. 01:05:01
May I interrupt for one second? Commissioner Green has asked. 01:05:02
Permission to leave a little bit early because of an important meeting. 01:05:06
I want to thank you for your attendance. 01:05:10
Yeah. 01:05:11
Thank you. 01:05:12
I had one more kind of follow up with for Commissioner Brown. 01:05:13
You'd mentioned Pine and Congress. 01:05:18
And that was another question I had for both. 01:05:21
Director well, director go. 01:05:26
Umm. 01:05:28
Did you have, did you meet all the warrants? I mean, I know there were some. 01:05:30
Issues and other sections of pine with pedestrians being struck, but to my knowledge there weren't any. 01:05:35
Major. 01:05:43
Traffic collisions at that particular intersection. 01:05:46
I applaud you for doing it. I think it's great. That's why I wanted it done at the Lighthouse too. But I think it made a huge 01:05:49
difference. 01:05:52
For my transiting through that intersection. 01:05:58
Since the addition of those. 01:06:01
Stops on pine. 01:06:03
I believe we. 01:06:07
I know we did our studies there. I don't have the results of those studies like at my fingertips or and it was some years ago, our 01:06:10
previous traffic engineer, Mr. Silva, did those. 01:06:16
He designed that intersection and those improvements there, along with the improvements we made of Pine and early. 01:06:22
We did those in conjunction and then did some improvements in front of Robert down. 01:06:29
Simultaneously. 01:06:33
Umm. 01:06:35
I recall him doing the traffic counts and the studies and I believe the results of that wanted. 01:06:36
The installation of that four way stop. 01:06:45
I could dig them up if the Commission. 01:06:49
Request. 01:06:52
Hopefully those weren't some of the paper warrants that were burned down in our fire and the warehouse, but I I don't think they 01:06:54
were. I'm sure I could probably track them down if you would like to see. No, I I was actually congratulating you on on that 01:06:59
because I think it made a huge improvement to that intersection and I just. 01:07:05
Thank you, Sir. Wanted to see it here at the. 01:07:10
Lighthouse and Congress too. Thank you. Just to to comment on that I live. 01:07:12
You know, I look out on that intersection. That's where my office is. 01:07:17
And. 01:07:22
Before they put this in, you could hear a crash. 01:07:23
Every. 01:07:26
Every month or so. The other problem is that it's a place where the kids walk. 01:07:27
Both up pine and back down pine to the elementary school and then up Congress to the high school. 01:07:32
So you get a lot of kids crossing that intersection and it really is been very positive. Thank you. 01:07:40
Commission approach you have that was part of my. 01:07:47
Thursday. 01:07:50
For the influence there. 01:07:51
Major thorough. 01:07:53
Walk for the children. 01:07:55
That was brought up at the time, as the Commissioner said at that time. 01:07:57
So I remember that. 01:08:00
Good. 01:08:02
One of the major influences. 01:08:03
Xbox. 01:08:08
Alright, here's the vehicle code. 01:08:11
Umm. 01:08:13
Defines a crosswalk. 01:08:14
As the extension of. 01:08:16
Any. 01:08:18
Sidewalk at a normal intersection, whether it's striped. 01:08:19
Or not striped, marked or unmarked, marked. 01:08:23
So. 01:08:26
In the. 01:08:27
In the. 01:08:30
Code basically talks about. 01:08:31
Crosswalk markings providing guidance. 01:08:34
For pedestrians at controlled intersections signals. 01:08:37
Roundabouts. 01:08:41
Stop signs. 01:08:42
Whatever the control is. 01:08:44
So that's we're telling the pedestrian, and this is where you should cross, this is a safe place to cross and this is the best 01:08:45
place for you to cross. 01:08:49
It's the guidance. 01:08:53
I don't know uncontrolled locations. 01:08:54
The crosswalk markings are really. 01:08:56
Alerting the road user, the driver, or the bike rider? Hey, this is where you can expect to see. 01:08:59
A pedestrian. 01:09:04
So watch for pedestrian and pedestrians have the right of way. 01:09:05
So it's kind of a funny tool because it has dual. 01:09:10
Dual services. So if you look in the vehicle code. 01:09:13
The. 01:09:16
Really the responsibility is shared between the driver and the pedestrian. So driver must yield the right away to a pedestrian all 01:09:17
marked crosswalks or at any intersection which is non marked crosswalk. 01:09:22
Similarly, no pedestrians should suddenly run out into the path of a vehicle which is close enough to be an immediate hazard. 01:09:27
Or unnecessarily delayed delay traffic. 01:09:34
Whiling across. 01:09:37
Yes. 01:09:39
Mr. Stern. 01:09:40
I I'm wondering how helpful those California codes are where it says California law must stop for pedestrians. 01:09:42
Because I I know in some of your photographs, I think Lighthouse and Congress, you had one-on-one section but not the other. 01:09:50
And I'm wondering in your experience. 01:09:57
If they have. 01:10:00
Been helpful, especially around school zones and things like that. Yes, it's a great point. They're extremely helpful at school 01:10:01
zones and school crosswalks. School crosswalks are yellow, so you know, the sign really helps there. They're not so helpful at 01:10:07
crosswalks that have a very low pedestrian crossing volume. 01:10:12
So where you have a heavy. 01:10:19
Volume a good example. 01:10:21
At the aquarium. 01:10:24
I mean zillions of pedestrians. 01:10:26
Really good tool. 01:10:27
Right in the middle of the street there and they're very, very effective. 01:10:29
Driver, CM and generally it's the shape. 01:10:32
It's not really the message, it's just the shape and it's out in the middle, OK? 01:10:35
This is where I can expect. 01:10:38
To see a lot of pedestrians. 01:10:40
They are a little punishing to the public works crews because they got a stock, a bunch of them. 01:10:43
And replace them every couple of months. But I in a lot of cases it's really worth it, especially if it's. 01:10:48
High volume crosswalks. 01:10:54
I like him a lot for. 01:10:56
Multi lane roundabouts. 01:10:58
Because it brings the. 01:11:01
Drivers vision down to crosswalk level. 01:11:04
Instead of looking up at all the. 01:11:06
You know directional signs. How do I get to Carmel? 01:11:08
Okay crosswalk principles. So before I want to strike a crosswalk. 01:11:14
I want to have good visibility. 01:11:18
At the crosswalk. In the crosswalk, I also want good visibility, good lighting. 01:11:20
In the curb return area where the pedestrian is waiting. 01:11:25
It's really important. 01:11:29
For the driver in their peripheral vision to be able to notice what's coming up. 01:11:31
One of the most common crashes in a marked crosswalk. 01:11:35
Is a bike. 01:11:40
Coming from. 01:11:41
The right. 01:11:43
Into the crosswalk, especially at a signal if it's on a walk. 01:11:44
So they have the right away. 01:11:48
The driver. 01:11:50
The opposing driver waiting to make a right turn. 01:11:52
Is looking to the left. 01:11:55
Like British looking to the left for. 01:11:58
Conflicting traffic. 01:12:00
He's already stopped. 01:12:02
And he's gonna make a right turn on Red. 01:12:04
And then he doesn't hear the bike, doesn't see the bike cause he's looking left and then boom. 01:12:07
Bike crash head crashes, two fed pickers like. 01:12:13
So I'm really good visibility, wanna really positive interaction between the pedestrian and driver, which means I wanna set the 01:12:16
crosswalk. 01:12:20
Up so that where I have the ramps and things, it's intuitive for the driver and the pedestrian to interact and go, yeah this is 01:12:24
this is very comfortable and they can even have that in contact discussion of OK, you better go because you're going too fast or 01:12:29
it's my turn so. 01:12:34
Hang on a second type of thing. And that those interactions are really positive, I see those as really healthy. 01:12:40
Things in crosswalks. 01:12:46
So I want that crosswalk design to meet driver and pedestrian expectations so they all get it. 01:12:49
Crosswalks do not work for speed control. 01:12:54
They don't. They're they're a really bad. 01:12:58
Safety tool. 01:13:01
I know that sounds weird. 01:13:02
Isn't a crosswalk? Isn't that make things safer? 01:13:04
Only if the setting. 01:13:08
Is safe Will the crosswalk. The marked crosswalk, actually. 01:13:11
Be safe. 01:13:15
Almost all the fatal crashes I've experienced in my tenure have been in. 01:13:17
Marked crosswalks. 01:13:22
It's because the setting wasn't correct. 01:13:25
So let's talk about crosswalks. 01:13:31
This is Fountain by the. 01:13:37
Umm. 01:13:39
Corner, yeah. The Victorian corner, Yeah, Yeah. 01:13:42
Yeah. So we did stripe in a buffer area that you can see there that gives driver and the pedestrian a little bit of. 01:13:45
Safety area to. 01:13:53
Refuge area to look at each other and it seems to be working. 01:13:54
It's not ideal. 01:13:58
You know, all great traffic engineers want to eliminate all visibility obstructions, so I just want these things to just go away. 01:13:59
But we have other factors to consider, so we're not gonna dwell on those. But the good news is, you know, I I got a shot of this 01:14:06
lady with her kids and. 01:14:10
It was working. 01:14:15
Was working fairly well and because lighthouse is so slow. 01:14:17
Umm. 01:14:21
It really, the drivers are really. 01:14:23
You know, yielding well. 01:14:25
I would like, I actually would really love to have every intersection on Lighthouse. 01:14:28
You know, have curb extensions and tighten it all up. That would be my dream. 01:14:33
I work for day. 01:14:37
Any questions on crosswalks? 01:14:41
Excuse me? 01:14:45
And this one here at Lighthouse and Fountain. 01:14:48
I mean, I. 01:14:51
Avoid coming down Fountain to turn right onto Lighthouse, because you cannot. 01:14:53
Really see? 01:14:59
What's coming or it it's just. 01:15:01
And then because that you have outdoor seating, you have more people? 01:15:05
That. 01:15:10
Either are just hanging out. You're not sure are they gonna cross? What are they gonna do it just. 01:15:10
I avoid that. 01:15:16
I mean, I go. 01:15:18
Down pine or, you know, whatever else I do. But. 01:15:19
That's. 01:15:23
That's gonna be a problem. That's really good information. 01:15:25
I know that the council subcommittee for park places. 01:15:28
Dealing with this location. 01:15:31
I'm hopeful that I believe there's some discussion about moving that crosswalk. 01:15:33
Eliminating that one and moving it. 01:15:37
To the other side of the intersection. 01:15:39
Now that the 520 lighthouse has completed. 01:15:41
And we have that sidewalk open because for two years there was no. 01:15:45
Where for pedestrian to go if they were to cross lighthouse on the movie theater side? 01:15:50
Because of the construction, now that that's been opened up, we do have a work order in that remove this. 01:15:55
Crosswalk. 01:16:01
Umm. 01:16:02
Pushed the crossing to the other side and pushed the crossing to the other side over by the movie theater. 01:16:04
Until we can come up with a permanent solution. 01:16:09
With how pedestrians, vehicles, bicycles and parklets can all coexist downtown. 01:16:12
That's our. 01:16:18
That's what. 01:16:19
The Council is trying to tackle at the present moment. 01:16:20
Would you, if you take this crosswalk out, would you put like barricades up to do? 01:16:24
We put no no pen crossing sign, OK. 01:16:32
All right, lastly. 01:16:39
I mean, really gotta pay attention to the micro mobility issues. It's fun to have the segues. 01:16:41
Right down the street and. 01:16:46
It's interesting. 01:16:48
Even though this is kind of a not a common thing. 01:16:50
Umm. 01:16:53
The fact that they feel comfortable enough writing. 01:16:55
On lighthouses are really good thing. 01:16:57
And it shows two things, #1 lighthouse is a kind of a destination and a draw. 01:16:59
Which is really, really important. You have to have a sense of place. 01:17:04
And I think White House does a really good job with that. 01:17:08
And. 01:17:11
They're doing the right thing. I mean, they're. 01:17:11
They're using. 01:17:13
Using that little buffer area and. 01:17:15
They're all riding safely. I'll go Hamlets. 01:17:18
So it's good. I mean, I would love to see more. 01:17:21
Bikes and on Lighthouse and you know. 01:17:23
I would like to get more complaints about not having enough places to lock our bikes. We're going to restaurants. 01:17:27
It's much better than. 01:17:32
You know, trying to accommodate so many cars. 01:17:34
It's just much more fun. 01:17:37
So any other questions? 01:17:40
Any other off the wall non topic? 01:17:41
Check traffic engineering questions. 01:17:43
Should Dan, we should probably, maybe, after Miss Stern's question, open up the public comment. 01:17:50
In your experience a community of this size could it benefit from? 01:17:59
Having a pedestrian only zone. 01:18:05
Instead of. 01:18:08
How it currently is configured? 01:18:10
Laos Yeah, Yeah, so. 01:18:12
That's an That's a really, really good question. 01:18:16
And I've had several cities. 01:18:19
Grapple with this. We grappled with it several times on. 01:18:22
Cannery Row and also on Alvarado in Monterey. 01:18:25
And. 01:18:30
You know when you see a farmer's market? 01:18:32
And it has such a positive draw on the House, the streets full of pedestrians, and it's fun and it's comfortable. And you're 01:18:34
buying vegetables at four times the price, you know, It just feels good. 01:18:40
It feels really, really good. 01:18:47
If you can. 01:18:50
Replace. 01:18:51
The activity of the general flow traffic. 01:18:53
With and their activity that creates the draw on a daily basis, that can be very effective. 3rd St. in Santa Monica hugely 01:18:58
successful. 01:19:02
Um, and Lighthouse certainly doesn't have such a huge volume that we couldn't do it on Lighthouse. 01:19:08
The secret is. 01:19:13
What do we do that creates the energy? 01:19:15
And the activity. 01:19:19
That makes it feel vibrant. 01:19:21
I have had other agencies that have taken out. 01:19:24
Traffic. 01:19:27
And the place just feels like a dead zone. 01:19:28
I've had events on Cannery Row where we close the street. 01:19:31
And you know, the event organizer didn't have enough. 01:19:34
Things going on in the street and you look down the street like, why is this street closed? 01:19:38
It just feels and it's kind of around. 01:19:42
You would think I mean I need to get to that T-shirt shop. 01:19:44
And the Streets Club, So the secret is. 01:19:47
You know, what do you want that street to be? And how do you intentionally? 01:19:50
Make it that way the activity and then it's very easy. 01:19:55
To displace the traffic. 01:19:59
You can do. 01:20:01
Incremental things, like what happens if you get rid of parking on one side or in the median. 01:20:04
And you put in bike lanes and you shrink the. 01:20:09
Driving envelope with the street down to where? 01:20:12
You know, traffic is not the most important thing in that street. It's a sub. 01:20:15
Thing to everything else going on. 01:20:20
And that can be very, very effective. 01:20:22
That median space has so much opportunity. 01:20:25
Because the streets so wide for other activities in the median. I don't know if you've been to Santana Row. 01:20:28
Where there's restaurants and stuff in the median and the giant checkerboard and you know all these other things, beautiful St. 01:20:33
trees and the setting is the place in the middle of the road and it feels. 01:20:38
Great. 01:20:44
That's what you're looking for? 01:20:46
I believe Miss Dahmer has her hand up. 01:20:49
Miss Dahmer, you have the floor. 01:20:54
Thank you. I didn't know if it was time for public comment. I just wanted to. 01:20:57
Get my hand up there for when it was. 01:21:02
Umm. 01:21:05
I wanted to say that when the Commissioners and. 01:21:07
Especially Mr. Deal, you need to speak into your microphones. Some of you are doing it just fine, but I lost half. 01:21:12
Of Mr. Deals. 01:21:21
Information I've got closed captioning on, which is a joke by the way, if you're using that for a transcript, but I lost it 01:21:23
because he must have been moving. I can't see him on Zoom. 01:21:30
The camera angle doesn't go there. 01:21:38
But he must have been turning away from his microphone because I lost half of it. 01:21:40
Of what he was saying, he would boom in on certain things and then just go away. 01:21:47
So I am. 01:21:53
You know, not happy about that. 01:21:55
But the other thing is. 01:21:57
I understand that this is the wave of the future is closing off streets and doing all this. 01:22:00
I avoid downtown except for the post office. 01:22:06
And. 01:22:10
Whatever. I think the 15 mile speed limit is just great because. 01:22:11
Although it's not well adhered to. 01:22:17
Because there is so much going on and of course with the parklets too and the visibility. 01:22:20
But I swear if you closed down something like lighthouse. 01:22:25
I will never, ever go to downtown again. Period. 01:22:30
I mean, I am glad I'm at the end of my life rather than the beginning. 01:22:34
Because I'm not going to be able to live in that wave of the future. 01:22:40
And there are lots of us that are at this point in our lives. 01:22:45
Thank you very much. 01:22:50
Miss Yanni. 01:22:54
Thanks. 01:22:58
Thank you. I have a variety of comments here. I'll see if I can get them all. I really appreciated the presentation that was very 01:22:59
informative. 01:23:03
And and and I. 01:23:08
I understand English frustration with the sound system. It is terrible and it never used to be that way, so I don't know. 01:23:11
What what the issue is, but it's very frustrating. 01:23:20
I wanted to thank the city for the beautiful. 01:23:24
New painted. 01:23:29
Wooden 15 mile per hour sign. 01:23:30
In the median. 01:23:34
Coming into town from the West just before Congress, I I'm not quite I it might be at Cyprus or something. 01:23:36
But it it's it's so attractive, it's so in character for PG and it really. 01:23:44
Really grabs your attention. There's still the metal sign. I assume there's the metal sign. 01:23:52
Over there, you know, on the sidewalk. But. 01:23:56
But. 01:23:58
Or the curb. 01:24:00
This, this wouldn't sign is lovely and and the 15 mile per hour speed limit I I think is really great. 01:24:02
Umm. 01:24:09
I was wondering. 01:24:10
I I think curb extensions, which I think is a. 01:24:12
Probably better name for ball bouts, I I'm not sure but. 01:24:18
But I think they are quite expensive. 01:24:22
And and with the lower speed. 01:24:26
On lighthouses compared to to pine I just still would love to see at the Congress. 01:24:29
And Lighthouse intersection four way stops. 01:24:36
Because it is confusing approaching that intersection and trying to keep. 01:24:40
Like of everything, because there's also the people pulling out from the mailboxes on the. 01:24:46
On the. 01:24:51
East side. 01:24:52
And and you're coming from, yeah, from the. 01:24:54
Mostly developed around the West. 01:24:58
So I'd love to see more waste stop there and also at Lighthouse. 01:25:01
At where where Alder comes in from the the South end and. 01:25:08
Del Monte comes in from the north because it's a very wide intersection, huge long. 01:25:14
Crosswalk and the drivers coming up, Del Monte cannot see. 01:25:20
The traffic coming from the left, right house. 01:25:25
And at 1st Street, where it comes into Overview Blvd. 01:25:29
That's a really confusing stop. It's sort of a three-way stop. 01:25:34
But they would be so helpful there for people walking along the inland. 01:25:39
Sidewalk it's It's impossible. It's so hard to cross there. But anyway, it's. 01:25:44
To learn about this, I assume that the things I would love to see, I should. 01:25:51
Right. 01:25:56
Right to Traffic Safety committee about, but thank you. Thank you again for this presentation. 01:25:56
Thank you for your comments. 01:26:04
Commissioners. 01:26:06
Well, I appreciate. I appreciate the presentation by Mr. Deal and by. 01:26:11
Director Go and. 01:26:17
I thought it was very good. Thank you. 01:26:20
Yeah. Thank you very much. It was very informed. 01:26:25
You know I am. 01:26:29
You know, I want to thank. 01:26:30
I wish the chief was here, but. 01:26:32
Our director go because I asked for you to do this because. 01:26:34
I in the past I found. 01:26:38
That the Traffic Safety manual takes a lot of the emotion. 01:26:41
And the passion? 01:26:44
Out of certain requests. 01:26:46
For example, I have a big strong feeling about lighthouse forest until today. 01:26:48
Because I really hadn't thought about. 01:26:52
The you know the. 01:26:54
Construction of the intersection. I thought it was an attractive. 01:26:56
Intersection after you explained it I. 01:26:59
See where it could cause more problems. 01:27:01
And solve problems so. 01:27:03
You know, I thought it was an excellent presentation and. 01:27:05
I hope you're permitted to include it. 01:27:08
In our minutes. 01:27:10
Copy of the slides and. 01:27:11
We really appreciate your time. 01:27:13
OK and. 01:27:17
Under Item C, reports from the subcommittee. 01:27:20
The goals for the Traffic Safety Commission. 01:27:24
Our Commissioners Brown, Gunby and Stern, Do you have an update for your? 01:27:27
I do not we we were not able to meet the this in the last month. So we'll hopefully we'll. 01:27:31
Or maybe double it up the next month. OK. Thank you very much. 01:27:37
Umm. 01:27:41
Director, do you have any closing comments? 01:27:42
No, Sir. Thank you very much. 01:27:47
Fellow Commissioners, any last minute comments? 01:27:49
Yes. 01:27:52
So if a Commissioner would like something to be on the next agenda, how do you work that? 01:27:54
What do you recommend, Director Co. 01:28:02
I would recommend working with the chair, SO chair Munoz Flores and the police chief. 01:28:05
Miss Madalone Chief Madalone, Who's the? 01:28:12
Liaison to this board. 01:28:14
And. 01:28:18
So then write like an e-mail to them and just just ask for can we consider this item? 01:28:19
That's correct. I'll give you my e-mail address and you send it to me. Thank you. 01:28:26
Yes, I did have a question regarding CIP, if we would get an update on what gets approved and what those timelines look like 01:28:31
because I know we did submit our request for this Commission. 01:28:37
We would Public Works would be more than happy to make a presentation on that at your next traffic Commission meet. 01:28:44
Great. Thank you. And we'll put that on the agenda. Thank you. 01:28:50
Anybody else? 01:28:54
No. OK. It's 5:28 PM and our meeting is closed. 01:28:55
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It's 4:00 o'clock, and welcome to the city of Pacific Grove. 00:00:13
Traffic Safety Commission our regular. 00:00:17
Monthly meeting. 00:00:20
This meeting will be held in person and it's also being held virtually. 00:00:22
Via Zoom. 00:00:27
First item on the agenda will be. 00:00:29
Approval of the agenda. 00:00:32
Anyone would like to? 00:00:35
Excuse me? 00:00:39
Let me go back. 00:00:40
And Director, could we do roll call please? 00:00:42
Of course. 00:00:47
Commissioner Brown. 00:00:48
Here. 00:00:50
Commissioner Greening. 00:00:50
Yeah. 00:00:52
Vice Chair Gunby here, Commissioner Prock. 00:00:54
Commissioner Samas. 00:00:58
Here. 00:01:00
Commissioner Stern. 00:01:02
Chair floors. Lunas floors. Excuse me. 00:01:04
All present. 00:01:07
Thank you. 00:01:10
Now we go to the approval of the agenda. 00:01:12
Umm. 00:01:14
Anyway, anybody like to? 00:01:15
Agenda. 00:01:19
2nd. 00:01:21
OK. 00:01:22
After the vote, please. 00:01:23
Commissioner Brown. 00:01:29
Yes. 00:01:30
Chair Munoz Flores, Commissioner Greening. 00:01:32
Commissioner Gumby, yes, Commissioner Prock. 00:01:36
Commissioner Shamas. 00:01:40
Commissioner Stern. 00:01:42
All approved. 00:01:46
Thank you. 00:01:47
Approval of the Minutes The minutes for the April 25th. 00:01:48
2023 meeting will be approved at the June 27th. 00:01:51
2023 meeting. 00:01:55
So we moved to item three, general public comment. 00:01:58
General public comment must deal with matters subject to the jurisdiction of the City. 00:02:01
And the Traffic Safety Commission. 00:02:05
That are not on the regular agenda comments. 00:02:07
From the public will be limited to 3 minutes. 00:02:10
And will not receive Traffic Safety Commission action. 00:02:13
Comments regarding items on the regular agenda shall be heard. 00:02:16
Prior to traffic. 00:02:19
If you commissions consideration of such items. 00:02:21
At the time such items are called. 00:02:24
Whenever possible, reading correspondence. 00:02:26
Should be submitted to the Traffic Safety Commission in advance. 00:02:29
Of the meeting to provide adequate time. 00:02:32