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So quickly it is 4:00 PM and this is the April 18th, 2024 meeting of the Climate App. 00:00:00
Climate action and adaptation. Brown Act Committee. 00:00:08
I believe it is. 00:00:13
And currently all members are present except I. 00:00:16
Coletti. 00:00:20
And so we have a quorum. 00:00:22
And I guess the 1st. 00:00:24
Action is the approval of the agenda. 00:00:27
If somebody would like to make a motion. 00:00:30
A second, all right, and a vote. 00:00:34
All in favor. 00:00:38
Aye. 00:00:39
And he knows. 00:00:41
Right. Thank you very much. 00:00:43
So. 00:00:49
Next is subcommittee and staff announcements on city related items. 00:00:52
Probably start with staff announcements. 00:00:58
Chair McDonald, no announcements this evening. Thank you. OK, thank you. And do we have any other committee announcements? 00:01:02
All right. Thank you very much. 00:01:11
So now we will open to general public comment if we have any general public attending. 00:01:14
I don't see anybody in person and there's nobody. 00:01:22
And stand corrected. 00:01:25
We have one hand raised in the virtual audience. I'll open the floor to Lisa Johnny. 00:01:26
Thank you. It's it's great to see you guys meeting again. 00:01:34
And I only just wanted to say something that. 00:01:40
I I don't quite understand if it's it. 00:01:44
In your. 00:01:47
Jurisdiction. That's not the word I went. 00:01:50
Just the concept. 00:01:54
Of, to me, climate. 00:01:57
Means we want trees. 00:02:00
And yet the City Council two years ago and the Coastal Commission just now, just last week, have approved a project that's 00:02:02
removing. 00:02:09
The entire tree canopy of a property. The Coastal Commission was only interested in the big statewide issues because I think 00:02:16
largely because they are so underfunded right now, they they can't deal with it, but we as a community need to take care of. 00:02:26
Our our own resources in the Coastal Commission. So I. 00:02:36
You know, I, I'm just hoping that we're going to see some changes that will not allow such. 00:02:43
An incredible destruction of. 00:02:50
Resources trees that we need. 00:02:55
The Monterey Audubon wrote a wonderful letter that didn't get to get read into the. 00:02:58
At the Coastal Commission because they cut off public comment when there were still 37 people waiting to to comment. 00:03:05
But. 00:03:13
That kind of destruction of trees, they're not even. 00:03:16
Keeping the Monterey Cypress at the corner where they're putting a park. Now they're taking out all of them so. 00:03:20
Anyway, as you. 00:03:28
As you work on these big issues, I hope that that will be something that. 00:03:30
Eventually gets addressed and and I'm. 00:03:38
You know our harbour seals are are yet. 00:03:44
A concern but but in terms of climate action, the one thing we can do is take care of our tree canopy. 00:03:49
So. 00:03:59
Anyway, thank you all for being on this committee and I look forward to. 00:04:01
The all the developments. Thank you. 00:04:09
No further hands raised at this time. 00:04:17
All right. Thank you. Then I will close public comment and now. 00:04:20
I guess technically I did the. 00:04:26
That was the approval of the agenda. Now we'll be doing approval of the actual. 00:04:27
Minutes from last time, technically. That I guess is on the. 00:04:32
Now since we don't have it listed as separate as regular and consent agenda and it's the only item, I guess it makes sense to just 00:04:37
approve the minutes in particular. 00:04:41
Anybody like to make a motion? I make a motion to approve. 00:04:47
Second. All right, those in favor. 00:04:50
Aye, any opposed? 00:04:54
All right, motion carries 6. 00:04:57
01. 00:04:59
501 Sorry, keep forgetting, there's only six of us. 00:05:01
All right. 00:05:07
And the next item on the agenda? 00:05:08
Is I want to make sure I read or write a. 00:05:11
So on our regular agenda item 6A is climate action adaptation planning, RFP concept review. And so Mr. First, would you like to 00:05:16
give us the. 00:05:22
Committee members. 00:05:29
Sure, Donald. 00:05:32
At the last Climate Action and Adaptation Planning Committee, and I'm just going to say climate committee is kind of shorthand 00:05:35
here and the request was to come back at this and we're still kind of finding our footing with our scheduling that originally was 00:05:40
going to be quarterly every three months, but we've kind of wavered a little bit with different membership. And so this was kind 00:05:44
of a special meeting. 00:05:49
Two months after the last meeting and the idea was to come back with a kind of draft or a first first draft of the. 00:05:55
RFP that available that you guys could review, give some feedback and then come back in a month for the regularly scheduled May 00:06:04
meeting and finalize that RFP and get it out to bid so. 00:06:09
What a couple things that I've updated are on the on this agenda item and then also on the Climate web web page, the Climate 00:06:17
Committee web page, cityofbg.org/climate. 00:06:22
I put up a list of Pacific Grove climate action and adaptation planning related documents, and then I've also put up links to. 00:06:27
A handful of regional. 00:06:37
Climate action and adaptation planning plans. 00:06:39
So if you didn't, if you probably saw it on this agenda item, but then also this is available to the public and will stay up. 00:06:42
And by number means, is this a comprehensive list? So if anyone has suggestions or things they'd like to see added, I'm open to 00:06:49
suggestions. 00:06:53
But it has a lot of the city documents that not necessarily have been named as climate documents or climate action documents, but 00:06:57
really kind of fit into the Venn diagram with a climate action or adaptation plan. You know, the city's general plan, which is of 00:07:03
course any climate action plan is going to have to. 00:07:08
Fit into the. 00:07:14
Cities Climate change vulnerability assessment that was completed in 2015. 00:07:16
And I think one thing that we're going to have to decide as we move forward with this is if that vulnerability assessment is 00:07:21
adequate or if you know with the, the, you know, the years since it was completed, if it needs much updating or how much updating 00:07:26
is necessary. 00:07:30
And then of course, those local coastal program. 00:07:36
The Pacific Grove shoreline management plan. 00:07:39
The draft community wide greenhouse gas inventory report that we received from Ambag in 2020. 00:07:42
And the community wildlife protection plan that was completed recently. 00:07:50
By the Monterey Fire Department. 00:07:53
For the Tri-City area that shares the fire department services Monterey, Pacific Grove and Carmel. 00:07:56
And then also a list of. 00:08:02
Climate action plan websites that have the plans and also other supporting documents and kind of you can get a glimpse into the 00:08:06
process that these cities and counties went through. 00:08:10
And you know a number of these have been mentioned by speakers and kind of have been referenced at a lot of our meetings and 00:08:15
discussions. So I think all of these documents and all of these plans are really good for all of us involved to kind of. 00:08:22
Brush up on and to become familiar with. 00:08:29
And the public also. 00:08:32
So the draft that is attached. 00:08:35
Tonight is meant to solicit a consultant to support the development and adoption of a Climate action and Adaptation plan. 00:08:39
And one of the things that was mentioned at the last meeting. 00:08:46
By Councilmember Colletti was that. 00:08:49
We could utilize A consultant not just to develop and write the plan, but also to kind of guide the process. So I think through by 00:08:54
issuing this RFP and. 00:09:00
Once we find a consultant, they're not just going to write the plan, they're going to work with us to kind of tailor the plan to 00:09:05
what we. 00:09:09
Want it to be and what we. 00:09:12
And like I said, the committee requested an opportunity to review a draft for IV Black and then review a second, maybe a hopefully 00:09:16
a final draft. 00:09:20
Following at next month's meeting, so I'm hoping that with the feedback we can put, I can refine what we have and hopefully after 00:09:26
next, after May's meeting, we can post this and get the ball moving. 00:09:32
So I don't know if you guys have any questions or if you guys want to move into the discussion or I do have the the draft RFP on 00:09:40
my computer too, if you'd like me to share that if anyone needs to look at certain sections of it or I. 00:09:46
Yeah. Thank you. 00:09:52
All right. Thank you so much for that and for pulling all that information together. Obviously, in three days I did not have a 00:09:55
chance to read all of that, but that will give us something to really read for the next time. But what I do want to do now is open 00:09:59
public comment for this item. 00:10:04
As well please. 00:10:09
We have no hands raised in the virtual audience. 00:10:18
Then in that case, open it to committee and discussion. 00:10:22
Yes, thank you for pulling all the documentation. I know you said you were looking for suggestions as well. And just thinking 00:10:27
about the earlier public comment that we received from Miss Johnny, we could also add the most recent tree survey that I think was 00:10:31
done in 2015. 00:10:36
Um, but I could be mistaken on the year, but that'd be helpful. 00:10:41
And then maybe guide us to think about, since it's been nearly a decade since we've done that, to do another. 00:10:45
I have a question and that is, do you think 100,000 is enough for this survey? 00:11:03
In the completion of the. 00:11:07
RFP. 00:11:10
Any member written. 00:11:11
That's a tricky question because I think like we've explored in past meetings. 00:11:15
A lot of these climate action and adaptation planning plans aren't necessarily, you know, one-size-fits-all for different cities 00:11:19
or municipalities. And I think a lot of that will depend on what exactly we want from this consultant. 00:11:26
And I think when we first looked into this and looked at comparable costs, we kind of thought it would be in the neighborhood of 00:11:34
75 to $80,000. 00:11:38
But then as different things developed, as time went on, and, you know, with inflation and just general prices going up. 00:11:42
We also had some quotes later on when it was connected to the General plan that exceeded $100,000. 00:11:49
So I'm not, I can't say with 100% confidence. 00:11:55
That it will be enough to, but I would be hopeful that we'll get a proposal that will come in under that. 00:12:00
OK, the reason I was asking was. 00:12:06
Partly because of what you said. 00:12:11
That we would want the consultant to guide us through the process. 00:12:13
But I think. 00:12:18
I believe I, I would, I think that that is pretty a standard thing. You know, I, I think all of these. 00:12:21
Communities that utilize the consultant, if they did further their planning, it wasn't just to have them jump right in and write 00:12:27
the plan. I think part of the process is to bring the consultant in, who the consultant then works with the city, the committees 00:12:33
and the public and then, you know, formulates what they're going to do. 00:12:40
So I think a lot of times the proposal won't necessarily be just a flat. 00:12:47
Figure it'll be kind of a broken down costs with different options and then eventually we would choose those options and that's 00:12:51
what you call for I believe. 00:12:55
Yeah. 00:13:00
Thank you, George. Thanks for putting this together. I'm finally seeing the light of the big. So let me put it that way. 00:13:07
Dean. 00:13:15
Is this a template that you borrowed from somewhere to craft this RFP or so? The, the general template I borrowed from similar 00:13:16
RFPs the city has put out. So if you look back at through, you know what professional service RFP's that the city has used, a lot 00:13:23
of them look very similar. And a lot of the legal language, especially at the end was borrowed directly from that. And then a lot 00:13:30
of the language to put into that template I borrowed from similar. 00:13:38
You know, cities that. 00:13:46
Had recently put out RFPs or for the similar thing. All right, that's helpful. And I think that's useful for this committee to 00:13:47
know is because we're not just like putting paragraphs in here. So this has been done before. So we should get some similar kind 00:13:52
of response when you put this out to bed is what I'm getting at. 00:13:58
The other thing is if we want to go the route of like the consultant kind of guiding us through this, my suggestion is in the 00:14:04
evaluation criteria, maybe put an additional item to say any ideas that the consultant can toss? 00:14:10
Which will help us. 00:14:18
Really do it a better job at this one would be part of the evaluation criteria. That's where that way you know which bidders are 00:14:20
trying to go a step forward. 00:14:24
With the process the the the other thing that I. 00:14:29
At least I through. 00:14:34
I know we haven't had that many discussions, but I think this was touched upon and some of the discussions is really around 00:14:36
funding. 00:14:39
So this is just. 00:14:43
I mean, technically this is just a plan. I mean, we got to like do the steps to. 00:14:44
Take care of the plan. 00:14:48
So I would expect some kind of paragraph or something in here which says guide us through the grants process too. 00:14:50
Or provide suggestions on how the city can gain grants or grants opportunities. 00:14:58
I mean, they don't have to do the grants, but they should at least communicate to us. 00:15:04
What type of grant opportunities? 00:15:07
And when, what kind of foreseeable future what, what is going away kind of thing so, so we can expedite the process as needed. 00:15:10
Does that make sense? 00:15:17
Yes, that makes sense. OK, fantastic. And then just from a timeline perspective, you have some. 00:15:20
Aggressive dates, I would say somewhat so. 00:15:27
Are you comfortable with like, wrapping everything up in July? 00:15:32
Not not necessarily wrapping everything up and those are very tentative dates. So I did want to kind of scrutinize those a little 00:15:36
further before those would get published and then let me pull up what we had. 00:15:41
But I kind of based those dates off of if this is kind of greenlit in May. 00:15:47
And then we put out the RFP in June. 00:15:53
And then you know. 00:15:56
Expecting the response of the so the deadline for proposal proposers to submit for questions would be July, the middle of July, so 00:15:59
a month and 1/2 after that or month. 00:16:05
Followed by pretty shortly the city would respond to those questions from the proposal proposer and that same month of July and 00:16:13
then final proposals after those questions are received and responded to would be the end of July. 00:16:19
And then I. 00:16:26
A you know, about a month and so the beginning of September that the the recommendation to City Council would on what to do to 00:16:29
award that so. 00:16:34
I borrowed that kind of that rough timeline based on past RFPs. 00:16:39
And to be honest, I don't have a ton of experience or much at all on, you know. 00:16:44
Releasing RFP's and following these timelines so that based off of previous RFP's that was kind of the rough timeline that I I 00:16:50
adopted just getting bumped it out just for my benefit is. 00:16:55
By city staff, is it just you or is it more than you that will come into play here? 00:17:00
I think it'll definitely be more more than myself. 00:17:06
I think that as a staff liaison to this committee, I'll kind of be leading the charts, but I'll be doing it consulting with other 00:17:09
public works staff and also planning staff. 00:17:13
So all that I'm saying is as long as you're comfortable, I'm comfortable. Let me put it that way. And I'll make sure to talk to, 00:17:18
you know, other staff that have done more RFP's than I have and kind of reassess as we get closer to putting this out, OK? 00:17:26
And then I would say final question from me. So we talked about this 100,000 amount that is allocated right now and this is now 00:17:34
spilling into July, so. 00:17:38
Does that 100,000 carry over? So that I think that'll be slightly up to you council members. I think it was budgeted in the last 00:17:42
fiscal year and we're going to submit for it to carry over. So assuming that that doesn't get spiked by council, it will, you 00:17:49
know, I think we're going to, we're going to push that to carry over to the next year and assuming the council doesn't. 00:17:56
You know, change that, then it will. 00:18:03
OK. So essentially if we take an action which is in May. 00:18:05
Which will say we are going out to RFP with this RFP process. 00:18:10
Which is going to happen in June, which is still within the fiscal year. 00:18:14
And technically, the money needs to be at least budgeted for this effort. 00:18:18
Correct, Yeah. So it was budgeted in this current fiscal year and it'll have to be carried over into next year just like any other 00:18:23
public works project, correct. I think it's budgeted under under consulting services. 00:18:29
And but was budgeted for this particularly. 00:18:35
Let me put it all. What I'm getting at is if there's any need or desire for this committee to meet. 00:18:38
In order for those funds to be expanded. 00:18:44
Let us know. 00:18:47
Otherwise, I'll assume that everything is going to go forward. 00:18:49
All right. Thank you. That's all from my side. 00:18:53
And then one, excuse me, Chair McDonald, the one other thing I wanted to mention. 00:18:58
The language that I left in here was that is is. 00:19:03
Or the selection committee for the different proposals proposers was to have staff on that. But after I posted that and I thought 00:19:06
about it, I thought it might be more appropriate to have kind of a combination of staff and committee members. 00:19:13
So I think that's something that we should keep in mind between now and next meeting is to perhaps have a number of volunteers 00:19:20
from the committee or assigned people from the committee less than a quorum. 00:19:25
That would want to join staff on a future. 00:19:30
Selection committee of. 00:19:34
The proposers. 00:19:36
Nothing like to be on that. And then the one other thing I wanted to mention is that this doesn't mention any specifics about 00:19:42
exactly where we want to go. And one thing that question that's come up in a lot of our past discussions is whether we want this 00:19:47
plan to be sequel qualified or not. 00:19:52
And I think in general what my understanding is that for the most part when you get a consultant on board. 00:19:59
Their kind of general template and framework is to go sequel qualified. I think that's just kind of the standard. So I think we 00:20:05
should be aware that most of these proposals are going to come in probably suggesting that and pushing us towards that. And it's 00:20:11
going to be up to us as a committee to kind of guide it away from that if that's what we want or? 00:20:18
Guided towards that, if that's what we want. 00:20:25
Could you please describe the difference between what that would look like? I'm assuming there would be a cost difference because 00:20:29
it would be more complex to go through the secret process, but would there be advantages and disadvantages that you know of? 00:20:34
So I think that. 00:20:40
I'm not 100. This is still something that seems to elude me a little bit, but my understanding is that a sequel Qualified Climate 00:20:42
Action Plan meets the requirements of the secret guidelines, specifically section 15183.5 B. 00:20:49
And the key advantage is that it streamlines the greenhouse gas analysis of new development projects. 00:20:56
That are subject to environmental review. So like if we have a big development. 00:21:04
And part of their. 00:21:08
Environmental Review. 00:21:10
Is going in part of the sequel requirements for their environmental review is going to include a greenhouse gas? 00:21:13
Study by being in a city that has a secret qualified climate action plan, they can kind of. 00:21:18
Use that data to help get their. 00:21:25
Analysis. 00:21:28
And then I think the there's different opinions on how much that matters for a city or for a climate action plan to be sequa 00:21:30
qualified for things like getting grants where I think in the past when not a lot of cities had climate action plans, I think that 00:21:37
if you were one of the few. 00:21:43
Cities that were kind of ahead of the curve and already had one and it was sequel qualified, you could use that to your advantage 00:21:50
to get grants. But then we have heard from speakers and other people that that advantage is really not there anymore. And now they 00:21:55
aren't giving kind of preferential treatment to cities that have these plans and are sequel qualified. They're more looking at 00:22:01
other factors. So I think that some of the advantages of having a sequel qualified plan. 00:22:06
Aren't as big as they might have been five years ago or 10 years ago. And that's that's kind of based off of what we heard from 00:22:13
mostly from. 00:22:17
The staff person from the city of Watsonville who kind of looking back at their experience of creating a sequel qualified plan and 00:22:22
then looking at other regional cities kind of had, you know, had. 00:22:28
Questioned what would have been the most advantageous. 00:22:36
I think it's definitely a question we'd want answered from the proposals and. 00:23:14
I'll have to consult with other consult with other staff to see if it's a how to appropriately put it into the RFP or if that's 00:23:19
maybe something more appropriate for later on in the. 00:23:24
Selection process and the kind of just the collaborative process once we have a consultant selected. 00:23:29
And part of the reason I ask is because different consultants might price that out differently. So if we've already chosen A 00:23:36
consultant, we might not have the benefit of seeing the differentiation across all of the different consultants. So that might be 00:23:41
an advantage of having that visibility in the initial process. So it's definitely something that I'm willing to look into kind of 00:23:46
other RFP's and other. 00:23:51
Kind of see it, try and strategize on how to work that in as a question at some point. That'd be great. Thank you. 00:23:57
Yeah. No, that that's a very valid point because the cost difference could be important. It does. And this is just for 00:24:06
clarification because I don't know if it's more a sequa. 00:24:11
I guess qualified plan, is that what would be considered more traditional? I know you mentioned the non traditional versus 00:24:17
traditional. Yeah, I think, I think the word I remember hearing and maybe I misspoke, but it was conventional or non conventional, 00:24:21
but kind of in the same idea, yeah. 00:24:26
I think usually a sequel qualified plan would be a conventional plan and then non sequel qualified as non conventional. 00:24:32
And does anybody know what a non conventional plan looks like? I think that it can look like. 00:24:40
They can any number of things, you know, I think, I don't think there's any. 00:24:46
It has been, you know. 00:24:50
By definition non conventional. 00:24:52
It kind of. You can tailor tailor make it to whatever you'd like. 00:24:55
Sorry, I was going to say didn't. 00:25:00
Then the guy from Watsonville. 00:25:02
Some suggested nontraditional plan. He did. He did. I think he said he wished they'd done that in retrospect. So they don't 00:25:05
currently have a non traditional plan. Do I remember that correctly? 00:25:11
OK. So I think that's a really strong endorsement for maybe not going the traditional secret route, not only because it would 00:25:19
maybe cost more money, but because it doesn't seem to maybe make sense in these times since there's already so many guidance and 00:25:26
regulations in place that we're not having to kind of reinvent the wheel anymore. We could maybe utilize that and do something 00:25:32
more, more tailor fit to our needs. Yeah, I agree. And I think if I could or we can figure out a way to put some language. 00:25:39
Kind of leading the perspective, perspective proposers to that concept that might help to have them justify one way or the other. 00:25:46
Yeah, what what would work to our advantage, maybe just not now, but in the long term. 00:25:53
So that we don't have a week plan, for example, of five years down the road, it would really be to our advantage to be secret 00:26:02
qualified. 00:26:05
You know on On that note, does this have a timeline like for? 00:26:10
The respondent to come up with the deliverable like a year's timeline or? 00:26:15
It does not have a. It doesn't have those timelines delineated in this RFP, no. 00:26:22
But I think I would expect that any proposal from the proposers would include their timeline and then it would before we would 00:26:28
make an agreement. 00:26:32
With that proposal or any propos? 00:26:37
We would kind of negotiate that timeline or set that timeline. 00:26:40
OK. And if you want to, you can make it explicit there to say that suggests that they include a timeline with their with their 00:26:44
proposal. 00:26:48
So that we can evaluate that. 00:26:52
Along with milestones. 00:26:56
Stop by that. Agreed. And as you guys know, like Rincon is doing our housing element and Rincon had proposed a CAP kind of concept 00:26:58
too. 00:27:03
So technically, Rincon can bid, right? Absolutely. Yeah. OK. All right. Just making your work. 00:27:10
That seems from the last meeting that. 00:27:18
We really didn't know what. We just really had no idea where we were going and that the hiring of the consultant was going to be 00:27:22
more advisory. 00:27:26
Unless jumping right into a plan, you know, whether we focus on adaptation or you know what we focus on. So. 00:27:31
I'm just curious. And then you said that. 00:27:39
That this RFP as drafted is probably going to elicit responses more along the the. 00:27:43
Conventional. 00:27:49
So I wonder, are we going to get all of our base questions answered? 00:27:51
In this RFPD believe. 00:27:57
So I think what I was trying to say with whether this I think anytime that we solicit. 00:28:03
Consultants. 00:28:10
Consultants are going to default to a conventional plan. Mm-hmm. Because I think that is by far the most common type of plans. So 00:28:11
I think anytime a consultant looks at what's been done in the past or what they've done in the past. 00:28:17
Chances are those were conventional plans and I think most of the time the non conventional plans were mostly authored in house my 00:28:23
understanding. 00:28:27
So I think by going this way with a consultant, we are kind of leaning in that direction and I think it's going to take some. 00:28:33
Like almost intervention from us or if that's really what we want to avoid. 00:28:41
Then it's going to take, you know, us kind of being vocal about that and intent on that. 00:28:46
And the consultants, you know, the consultants are going to hopefully come with quite a bit more experience on this topic than any 00:28:54
of us and they might have a good case to make. 00:28:58
Or the conventional plan? Mm-hmm. 00:29:04
Do we know of any consultants that have developed non conventional plans that we could invite to specifically apply? 00:29:08
I am not aware of. That's something I'd be happy to look into. I think that the. 00:29:17
Yeah, I'm not. So that's not a question I'm prepared to answer. 00:29:24
I'm just thinking that might be something useful to look into because somebody who has done unconventional plans in the past may 00:29:29
be more likely to kind of think outside the box and look more specifically at Taylor, making them to individual city's needs. 00:29:36
Do we have examples of any local? 00:29:44
Communities that have a non conventional plan, I would have to double check, but I believe that the except for Carmel, maybe 00:29:47
Carmel, Carmel's plan is conventional, yes. They did it in house though, right? They did it with the help of two different 00:29:54
consultants. So they started it, they with a similar kind of setup as we have with a climate committee and then the climate 00:30:00
committee with staff first wrote their vulnerability assessment and then they brought in one consultant group that did their 00:30:06
climate action plan. 00:30:12
They've got included as an appendix to their climate adaptation plan that was written by another consultant and those consultants 00:30:19
helped, didn't just write the plans, but also helped with their to, you know, run their meetings, do community engagement and the 00:30:24
whole process. 00:30:28
Thanks. I believe it's one of the counties, I want to say Santa Cruz County. 00:30:34
Or that has the has a non dimensional plan. 00:30:39
But don't quote me on that. 00:30:44
But there are Regent, there are an an example or two or two regionally that are non conventional and I believe that those 00:30:46
municipalities were a big enough organizations and. 00:30:50
Mostly created the plans themselves in house without a consultant. 00:30:56
OK. That's really helpful to know and. 00:31:02
Like Commissioner Myers had said that or committee member. 00:31:06
Committee, a member said. 00:31:11
I also kind of was under the impression that the idea was to get into a consultant to guide us on the path, which likely would 00:31:15
lead to writing a plan. So I would think it would be important to to make sure that. 00:31:20
Making it clear at the beginning that we are looking for somebody to guide us and what is the best option for us would be 00:31:27
beneficial because that way they're really aware that we are not married to a conventional plan. And we really want somebody who 00:31:32
will will look beyond that and let us know if that is or isn't the best option for us, why and why not. And, and I think that will 00:31:38
guide us in the best direction, especially having had information that there's buyers remorse a bit people who've gone the 00:31:44
conventional route. 00:31:50
And so anything we can do to get more information and. 00:31:57
Yeah, If I may make a suggestion, I think any items like this, we can technically put it as part of the evaluation criteria. So 00:32:37
the evaluation criteria can state. 00:32:41
What is your approach towards developing this plan? Are you going with a conventional approach or non conventional approach? 00:32:46
Provide us the pros and cons. 00:32:51
And similarly milestones or low cost, whatever be the case, that can be your evaluation criteria since we're involving staff and 00:32:57
and a committee set here. 00:33:01
We can examine that thoroughly and, say, decide what we want to do at that point in time. 00:33:06
But I'm pretty sure the consultants know both approaches is just that how How will they tackle both in the context of Pacific 00:33:11
Grove? That is to be TBD kind of thing. 00:33:17
That makes sense. Yeah, I think that that sounds like a good idea. Yeah. So anything that, you know, kind of flushes out that we 00:33:23
are looking to potentially lean on conventional, I think would help because we would be more likely to get somebody to go that 00:33:28
route because they're probably very used to writing proposals where everybody's looking for conventional. So we're going to lead 00:33:33
that direction. It may not really occur to them to give us more of that outside of the box thinking that they might have going in 00:33:39
on conventional route. 00:33:44
That kind of leads into the grants too because that's my biggest concern with non conventional. 00:33:50
I think we talked about that after the Watsonville meeting, but. 00:33:57
So just, I think it's just more information. We just need a lot of information. 00:34:03
Which would come up in. 00:34:13
The course of your discussions with people, making their submissions and then asking them questions and the questions back and 00:34:17
forth, right? 00:34:20
Commissioner Myers, I think so. I think getting the, getting this RFP out and getting proposals in, we'll start to answer some of 00:34:24
those questions and we'll probably find. 00:34:28
Out and find more questions that we didn't even know. Yeah. 00:34:33
That's usually the case exactly, yeah. 00:34:38
And it sounds like that will give us a really robust evaluation process so we better understand what's best for the city. 00:34:41
And knowing that the evaluation process is going to be robust, I suggest not two days for that little timeline, maybe put a window 00:34:47
in there so that we are able, first of all, we need to find our own schedules to match with staff schedules and et cetera. 00:34:54
So maybe give some cushion there. 00:35:03
Thank you. Understood. 00:35:04
Anybody with any other discussion points on this topic? I know we'll be bringing it back next month to discuss it more fully to 00:35:09
get a second review of this. And I'm, I'm guessing too, that that will give us more time to read all the materials that, that 00:35:15
George so wonderfully put together for us. And if and if in the meantime people have further comments or feedback, I'm always 00:35:21
available phone calls or e-mail or if you'd like to meet. 00:35:27
I'm here. 00:35:34
Right. Because I think if we notice things in the meanwhile based on our discussion today feed that directly to to you that would 00:35:36
make the most sense and then you would have that information to pull together for the the meeting next month on the agenda, 00:35:40
correct, Correct. 00:35:44
That would be great. I know I tried. Thank you for the links too to the other counties and cities. I know I was able to open a 00:35:50
couple of them. I had trouble with a few opening but I don't know if that was my own Internet or computer not allowing me. So we 00:35:55
may want to double check the links. 00:35:59
That were provided. 00:36:05
Yeah. And I was able, I think I was able to download. I didn't try to count any ones yet. Actually I ran out of time, so. 00:36:07
OK. So yeah, but I think that that's a good resource and but none of the ones you sent us that you're certain of were non 00:36:13
conventional plans, correct? 00:36:18
One of the counties, possibly one of the counties, I believe that the county of Santa Cruz, but I want to double check on that so 00:36:23
I can look into that and respond to the group. 00:36:27
With a better answer because I think that would help us to maybe key in because there's so many to read and they're on very many 00:36:32
pages. So if we knew that, OK, here's a good example of a non conventional. 00:36:38
That we could at least look to and get an idea for. How does that look different than the conventional? That kind of helps us. 00:36:44
With our future discussions, I think because we'll have a better perspective of what that looks like. 00:36:50
Yeah, the comparison piece. Yeah, exactly. 00:36:55
And I think we had talked at one of our long ago meetings that Carmel may be more similar to us than some of the others because of 00:36:58
the similar coastal aspects to us. And so I think that one and maybe a non conventional one may be really good starting points for 00:37:03
us. 00:37:08
As far as reviewing. 00:37:14
Sounds great. 00:37:16
Anything else you feel that we need to cover in our discussion today? 00:37:18
I don't think so. I think if we kind of all kind of spend the next month to review those documents and regional plans. 00:37:22
And then we can plan to come back in May and I think we're working on a potential speaker for May, so having a speaker for that 00:37:30
meeting as a regular meeting. 00:37:34
And then also to review a second draft, maybe a final draft of the RFP. 00:37:38
We can move forward like that. 00:37:44
OK. And kind of on that note, if we don't have anything else on this item, what I can do is close this item and go to item 7, 00:37:46
which is next meeting. And I don't know if technically we need to take public comment on the next meeting item, but it's an item 00:37:50
on the agenda, so I would presume that we should. 00:37:55
I don't know. I don't think you're welcome to. I don't think we need to. But if you'd like to, OK, I can open it up just in case 00:38:00
if anybody out there in video land that has a comment regarding next meeting. 00:38:06
The floor is yours, Lisa. Hi is. Can you hear me? 00:38:13
'Cause I have, Oh, you can hear me. 00:38:21
OK, All right. So my, my comments are totally unprepared today because I I wasn't able to just jump on this, but I think it's 00:38:24
great that you're planning to meet next month. 00:38:31
One thing considering there's so much that needs to be understood about this is there is the option because we well, our new city 00:38:39
manager doesn't start until May 6th, but he he has a. 00:38:48
Bachelor's degree in geography and and with a concentration in environmental planning and analysis. So he he might. 00:38:57
Have some? 00:39:11
Good perspective on this and in any case, and he has lots of experience in planning and city management. 00:39:12
The city allows. 00:39:22
The city manager to have a I forget what the spending authority something that's under $50,000. It doesn't have to go through City 00:39:25
Council and so you could you know, there's the option of hiring somebody on a much. 00:39:35
Smaller scale just on the in the advisory role this friend well and even with the historical consultant for. 00:39:45
The NOAA building that that that contract is just $16,000. 00:39:56
So it's possible that you could. 00:40:03
Get more on board with with what you think you need if you go that route and and I would think that the. 00:40:07
Planning Director, the CDD director Karen Vaughn. 00:40:16
Might also be more experienced in in. 00:40:22
RFPs because. 00:40:27
Public Works does so many of our RFPs, but they're all for CIP kind of projects, they're all. 00:40:30
Not for this kind of planning. And in fact they got really bogged down when they tried to do the archaeological resources one. So 00:40:36
anyway, those are just things that. 00:40:41
George may already be planning to do or may be aware of, but I thought that would be great. And then. 00:40:48
Maybe at you would put on the agenda for your next meeting to create a subcommittee, because I mean, you can only have two people. 00:40:54
But you need to have it on the agenda before. So it's like today, even though you may know you want a subcommittee, you can't do 00:41:04
it today. But just just some thoughts from my observations from what what's going on. Thank you so much. 00:41:12
No further hands. 00:41:24
All right. Well that was very helpful and then any other? 00:41:27
Any comments on that? 00:41:33
You know, that actually does make an an interesting point and I'm wondering if. 00:41:35
So we're we're kind of like going almost big package. I don't do you remember what Rincon's came in As for that just the CI. I 00:41:43
could have sworn they came back with something else on another bid that we asked them for that ended up being so much larger than 00:41:48
their initial bid that my concern is that might be the case with climate action, but I don't remember what they're. 00:41:53
Yeah. So we're already talking way over what we were anticipating. 00:42:01
Potentially. 00:42:05
And I think as their bids evolved with different timelines and different things, the cost for the Climate Action and Adaptation 00:42:06
Planning add-on grew. 00:42:10
So I think they're the first bit I saw from them was in the $85,000 neighborhood, but then like the second and third bit I saw 00:42:14
were over 100,000 approaching 150,000. 00:42:19
OK. Yeah. And so I guess what I'm wondering is as we're talking for the. 00:42:25
Next meeting agenda and then when that will be? 00:42:31
Wouldn't make sense to. 00:42:35
Consider the possibility of getting it as a two stage process, a consultant first and then expanding that into because that was 00:42:38
sort of my question earlier but it wasn't quite. 00:42:42
Sure. How to formulate it at the time, since we kind of were talking bigger RFP, does it make sense? 00:42:48
Part of that process to. 00:42:53
Do it as a two stage process. Start with the consulting and then add in for the consulting. Are we less likely to get bids that 00:42:56
way would you think? 00:42:59
I don't feel prepared to answer that question. It's not something that I've explored in depth. 00:43:05
Yeah, no worries. I just kind of wanted to throw it out there as kind of a thinking point because it will be relevant for the 00:43:10
meeting for next month. 00:43:14
And so. 00:43:19
I'm not sure how that would work as far as writing an RFP specifically though. Yeah, my suggestion is I think. 00:43:20
More or less like all of these plans, Like I've looked at quite a few of them more as they look similar. It doesn't like there's 00:43:25
not rocket science to like develop something incredibly different. 00:43:30
My suggestion is, I think it's a great suggestion from Mr. Gianni that the city manager is here. I think it's important for us to, 00:43:36
at least in the time window that he's here between 6th and 16th or whatever, just at least have a chat with him to see what his 00:43:42
views are and perhaps we can invite him to this call. 00:43:47
So that he can attend and he can provide his views. 00:43:53
And that way we can be directed as to what what we need to do next. And he's part of Marina, he's already knows the Marina kind of 00:43:56
climate action, etc. That'll be helpful. Indeed. There's a limit 40,000. She's correct. So there's a limit 40,000 up to 40,000. 00:44:03
So 39999.99. 00:44:12
That he's authorized to. 00:44:14
Provide money for. 00:44:17
I think with the series of steps that we have taken, I think we're at a good point already. 00:44:19
And if we're doing as George is suggesting, we should be able to get there. But I think taking Matt's opinion doesn't hurt. And so 00:44:24
let us do that and maybe we can come prepared for the May 16th and invite him to my suggestion. So. 00:44:31
Yeah, that makes a lot of. 00:44:39
Yeah, I think that makes a lot of sense. And I think that that might give us more insight into whether it makes sense to do it as 00:44:42
sort of a tiered approach to doing the consulting first, decide which direction we want to go and then solicit an RFP that more 00:44:46
directly addresses on the direction that makes sense for us. But I again, I don't know how that would impact applicants for an RFP 00:44:51
so. 00:44:55
I know that probably doesn't give you great guidance on, I understand the question. I just, I don't have a well thought out answer 00:45:02
for you. Yeah, no, no, I wouldn't expect that on the spot. More just kind of like us thinking and like trying to think about like 00:45:09
what are good next steps. So maybe even a way to address both options that might like, I don't know if you could do the RFP as 00:45:15
like 2 parts, one for the consulting phase and then the second-half as the development phase type thing. So. 00:45:22
OK, yeah, I was thinking more like an informal thing. So I'm going to connect with Matt at some point, I think. So I'm pretty sure 00:46:03
George is definitely going to connect. So I think we'll have some feedback before the May 16 meeting. I don't think we need to 00:46:08
wait till May 16th to get this done. 00:46:14
So it can be an informal call or chat. 00:46:21
What do you think? 00:46:25
Like you said, I definitely plan to include the CDD director and the new city manager in the this discussion and I I think it'll 00:46:27
start informally, definitely. 00:46:31
OK. So hopefully we've given you enough guidance on our thoughts and the direction we think would be useful to kind of put that 00:46:37
together as if it needs any modifications or or what the new city manager might recommend if that should be A2 staged approach or 00:46:41
something like that. 00:46:45
I think so. I think so. I agree. 00:46:51
OK, great. 00:46:54
Well, that being done, then I would move for adjournment. 00:46:56
And thank you very much. 00:47:00
And see you guys on May 16th, 2024 at 4:00 PM. 00:47:03
Thank you everyone. 00:47:08
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So quickly it is 4:00 PM and this is the April 18th, 2024 meeting of the Climate App. 00:00:00
Climate action and adaptation. Brown Act Committee. 00:00:08
I believe it is. 00:00:13
And currently all members are present except I. 00:00:16
Coletti. 00:00:20
And so we have a quorum. 00:00:22
And I guess the 1st. 00:00:24
Action is the approval of the agenda. 00:00:27
If somebody would like to make a motion. 00:00:30
A second, all right, and a vote. 00:00:34
All in favor. 00:00:38
Aye. 00:00:39
And he knows. 00:00:41
Right. Thank you very much. 00:00:43
So. 00:00:49
Next is subcommittee and staff announcements on city related items. 00:00:52
Probably start with staff announcements. 00:00:58
Chair McDonald, no announcements this evening. Thank you. OK, thank you. And do we have any other committee announcements? 00:01:02
All right. Thank you very much. 00:01:11
So now we will open to general public comment if we have any general public attending. 00:01:14
I don't see anybody in person and there's nobody. 00:01:22
And stand corrected. 00:01:25
We have one hand raised in the virtual audience. I'll open the floor to Lisa Johnny. 00:01:26
Thank you. It's it's great to see you guys meeting again. 00:01:34
And I only just wanted to say something that. 00:01:40
I I don't quite understand if it's it. 00:01:44
In your. 00:01:47
Jurisdiction. That's not the word I went. 00:01:50
Just the concept. 00:01:54
Of, to me, climate. 00:01:57
Means we want trees. 00:02:00
And yet the City Council two years ago and the Coastal Commission just now, just last week, have approved a project that's 00:02:02
removing. 00:02:09
The entire tree canopy of a property. The Coastal Commission was only interested in the big statewide issues because I think 00:02:16
largely because they are so underfunded right now, they they can't deal with it, but we as a community need to take care of. 00:02:26
Our our own resources in the Coastal Commission. So I. 00:02:36
You know, I, I'm just hoping that we're going to see some changes that will not allow such. 00:02:43
An incredible destruction of. 00:02:50
Resources trees that we need. 00:02:55
The Monterey Audubon wrote a wonderful letter that didn't get to get read into the. 00:02:58
At the Coastal Commission because they cut off public comment when there were still 37 people waiting to to comment. 00:03:05
But. 00:03:13
That kind of destruction of trees, they're not even. 00:03:16
Keeping the Monterey Cypress at the corner where they're putting a park. Now they're taking out all of them so. 00:03:20
Anyway, as you. 00:03:28
As you work on these big issues, I hope that that will be something that. 00:03:30
Eventually gets addressed and and I'm. 00:03:38
You know our harbour seals are are yet. 00:03:44
A concern but but in terms of climate action, the one thing we can do is take care of our tree canopy. 00:03:49
So. 00:03:59
Anyway, thank you all for being on this committee and I look forward to. 00:04:01
The all the developments. Thank you. 00:04:09
No further hands raised at this time. 00:04:17
All right. Thank you. Then I will close public comment and now. 00:04:20
I guess technically I did the. 00:04:26
That was the approval of the agenda. Now we'll be doing approval of the actual. 00:04:27
Minutes from last time, technically. That I guess is on the. 00:04:32
Now since we don't have it listed as separate as regular and consent agenda and it's the only item, I guess it makes sense to just 00:04:37
approve the minutes in particular. 00:04:41
Anybody like to make a motion? I make a motion to approve. 00:04:47
Second. All right, those in favor. 00:04:50
Aye, any opposed? 00:04:54
All right, motion carries 6. 00:04:57
01. 00:04:59
501 Sorry, keep forgetting, there's only six of us. 00:05:01
All right. 00:05:07
And the next item on the agenda? 00:05:08
Is I want to make sure I read or write a. 00:05:11
So on our regular agenda item 6A is climate action adaptation planning, RFP concept review. And so Mr. First, would you like to 00:05:16
give us the. 00:05:22
Committee members. 00:05:29
Sure, Donald. 00:05:32
At the last Climate Action and Adaptation Planning Committee, and I'm just going to say climate committee is kind of shorthand 00:05:35
here and the request was to come back at this and we're still kind of finding our footing with our scheduling that originally was 00:05:40
going to be quarterly every three months, but we've kind of wavered a little bit with different membership. And so this was kind 00:05:44
of a special meeting. 00:05:49
Two months after the last meeting and the idea was to come back with a kind of draft or a first first draft of the. 00:05:55
RFP that available that you guys could review, give some feedback and then come back in a month for the regularly scheduled May 00:06:04
meeting and finalize that RFP and get it out to bid so. 00:06:09
What a couple things that I've updated are on the on this agenda item and then also on the Climate web web page, the Climate 00:06:17
Committee web page, cityofbg.org/climate. 00:06:22
I put up a list of Pacific Grove climate action and adaptation planning related documents, and then I've also put up links to. 00:06:27
A handful of regional. 00:06:37
Climate action and adaptation planning plans. 00:06:39
So if you didn't, if you probably saw it on this agenda item, but then also this is available to the public and will stay up. 00:06:42
And by number means, is this a comprehensive list? So if anyone has suggestions or things they'd like to see added, I'm open to 00:06:49
suggestions. 00:06:53
But it has a lot of the city documents that not necessarily have been named as climate documents or climate action documents, but 00:06:57
really kind of fit into the Venn diagram with a climate action or adaptation plan. You know, the city's general plan, which is of 00:07:03
course any climate action plan is going to have to. 00:07:08
Fit into the. 00:07:14
Cities Climate change vulnerability assessment that was completed in 2015. 00:07:16
And I think one thing that we're going to have to decide as we move forward with this is if that vulnerability assessment is 00:07:21
adequate or if you know with the, the, you know, the years since it was completed, if it needs much updating or how much updating 00:07:26
is necessary. 00:07:30
And then of course, those local coastal program. 00:07:36
The Pacific Grove shoreline management plan. 00:07:39
The draft community wide greenhouse gas inventory report that we received from Ambag in 2020. 00:07:42
And the community wildlife protection plan that was completed recently. 00:07:50
By the Monterey Fire Department. 00:07:53
For the Tri-City area that shares the fire department services Monterey, Pacific Grove and Carmel. 00:07:56
And then also a list of. 00:08:02
Climate action plan websites that have the plans and also other supporting documents and kind of you can get a glimpse into the 00:08:06
process that these cities and counties went through. 00:08:10
And you know a number of these have been mentioned by speakers and kind of have been referenced at a lot of our meetings and 00:08:15
discussions. So I think all of these documents and all of these plans are really good for all of us involved to kind of. 00:08:22
Brush up on and to become familiar with. 00:08:29
And the public also. 00:08:32
So the draft that is attached. 00:08:35
Tonight is meant to solicit a consultant to support the development and adoption of a Climate action and Adaptation plan. 00:08:39
And one of the things that was mentioned at the last meeting. 00:08:46
By Councilmember Colletti was that. 00:08:49
We could utilize A consultant not just to develop and write the plan, but also to kind of guide the process. So I think through by 00:08:54
issuing this RFP and. 00:09:00
Once we find a consultant, they're not just going to write the plan, they're going to work with us to kind of tailor the plan to 00:09:05
what we. 00:09:09
Want it to be and what we. 00:09:12
And like I said, the committee requested an opportunity to review a draft for IV Black and then review a second, maybe a hopefully 00:09:16
a final draft. 00:09:20
Following at next month's meeting, so I'm hoping that with the feedback we can put, I can refine what we have and hopefully after 00:09:26
next, after May's meeting, we can post this and get the ball moving. 00:09:32
So I don't know if you guys have any questions or if you guys want to move into the discussion or I do have the the draft RFP on 00:09:40
my computer too, if you'd like me to share that if anyone needs to look at certain sections of it or I. 00:09:46
Yeah. Thank you. 00:09:52
All right. Thank you so much for that and for pulling all that information together. Obviously, in three days I did not have a 00:09:55
chance to read all of that, but that will give us something to really read for the next time. But what I do want to do now is open 00:09:59
public comment for this item. 00:10:04
As well please. 00:10:09
We have no hands raised in the virtual audience. 00:10:18
Then in that case, open it to committee and discussion. 00:10:22
Yes, thank you for pulling all the documentation. I know you said you were looking for suggestions as well. And just thinking 00:10:27
about the earlier public comment that we received from Miss Johnny, we could also add the most recent tree survey that I think was 00:10:31
done in 2015. 00:10:36
Um, but I could be mistaken on the year, but that'd be helpful. 00:10:41
And then maybe guide us to think about, since it's been nearly a decade since we've done that, to do another. 00:10:45
I have a question and that is, do you think 100,000 is enough for this survey? 00:11:03
In the completion of the. 00:11:07
RFP. 00:11:10
Any member written. 00:11:11
That's a tricky question because I think like we've explored in past meetings. 00:11:15
A lot of these climate action and adaptation planning plans aren't necessarily, you know, one-size-fits-all for different cities 00:11:19
or municipalities. And I think a lot of that will depend on what exactly we want from this consultant. 00:11:26
And I think when we first looked into this and looked at comparable costs, we kind of thought it would be in the neighborhood of 00:11:34
75 to $80,000. 00:11:38
But then as different things developed, as time went on, and, you know, with inflation and just general prices going up. 00:11:42
We also had some quotes later on when it was connected to the General plan that exceeded $100,000. 00:11:49
So I'm not, I can't say with 100% confidence. 00:11:55
That it will be enough to, but I would be hopeful that we'll get a proposal that will come in under that. 00:12:00
OK, the reason I was asking was. 00:12:06
Partly because of what you said. 00:12:11
That we would want the consultant to guide us through the process. 00:12:13
But I think. 00:12:18
I believe I, I would, I think that that is pretty a standard thing. You know, I, I think all of these. 00:12:21
Communities that utilize the consultant, if they did further their planning, it wasn't just to have them jump right in and write 00:12:27
the plan. I think part of the process is to bring the consultant in, who the consultant then works with the city, the committees 00:12:33
and the public and then, you know, formulates what they're going to do. 00:12:40
So I think a lot of times the proposal won't necessarily be just a flat. 00:12:47
Figure it'll be kind of a broken down costs with different options and then eventually we would choose those options and that's 00:12:51
what you call for I believe. 00:12:55
Yeah. 00:13:00
Thank you, George. Thanks for putting this together. I'm finally seeing the light of the big. So let me put it that way. 00:13:07
Dean. 00:13:15
Is this a template that you borrowed from somewhere to craft this RFP or so? The, the general template I borrowed from similar 00:13:16
RFPs the city has put out. So if you look back at through, you know what professional service RFP's that the city has used, a lot 00:13:23
of them look very similar. And a lot of the legal language, especially at the end was borrowed directly from that. And then a lot 00:13:30
of the language to put into that template I borrowed from similar. 00:13:38
You know, cities that. 00:13:46
Had recently put out RFPs or for the similar thing. All right, that's helpful. And I think that's useful for this committee to 00:13:47
know is because we're not just like putting paragraphs in here. So this has been done before. So we should get some similar kind 00:13:52
of response when you put this out to bed is what I'm getting at. 00:13:58
The other thing is if we want to go the route of like the consultant kind of guiding us through this, my suggestion is in the 00:14:04
evaluation criteria, maybe put an additional item to say any ideas that the consultant can toss? 00:14:10
Which will help us. 00:14:18
Really do it a better job at this one would be part of the evaluation criteria. That's where that way you know which bidders are 00:14:20
trying to go a step forward. 00:14:24
With the process the the the other thing that I. 00:14:29
At least I through. 00:14:34
I know we haven't had that many discussions, but I think this was touched upon and some of the discussions is really around 00:14:36
funding. 00:14:39
So this is just. 00:14:43
I mean, technically this is just a plan. I mean, we got to like do the steps to. 00:14:44
Take care of the plan. 00:14:48
So I would expect some kind of paragraph or something in here which says guide us through the grants process too. 00:14:50
Or provide suggestions on how the city can gain grants or grants opportunities. 00:14:58
I mean, they don't have to do the grants, but they should at least communicate to us. 00:15:04
What type of grant opportunities? 00:15:07
And when, what kind of foreseeable future what, what is going away kind of thing so, so we can expedite the process as needed. 00:15:10
Does that make sense? 00:15:17
Yes, that makes sense. OK, fantastic. And then just from a timeline perspective, you have some. 00:15:20
Aggressive dates, I would say somewhat so. 00:15:27
Are you comfortable with like, wrapping everything up in July? 00:15:32
Not not necessarily wrapping everything up and those are very tentative dates. So I did want to kind of scrutinize those a little 00:15:36
further before those would get published and then let me pull up what we had. 00:15:41
But I kind of based those dates off of if this is kind of greenlit in May. 00:15:47
And then we put out the RFP in June. 00:15:53
And then you know. 00:15:56
Expecting the response of the so the deadline for proposal proposers to submit for questions would be July, the middle of July, so 00:15:59
a month and 1/2 after that or month. 00:16:05
Followed by pretty shortly the city would respond to those questions from the proposal proposer and that same month of July and 00:16:13
then final proposals after those questions are received and responded to would be the end of July. 00:16:19
And then I. 00:16:26
A you know, about a month and so the beginning of September that the the recommendation to City Council would on what to do to 00:16:29
award that so. 00:16:34
I borrowed that kind of that rough timeline based on past RFPs. 00:16:39
And to be honest, I don't have a ton of experience or much at all on, you know. 00:16:44
Releasing RFP's and following these timelines so that based off of previous RFP's that was kind of the rough timeline that I I 00:16:50
adopted just getting bumped it out just for my benefit is. 00:16:55
By city staff, is it just you or is it more than you that will come into play here? 00:17:00
I think it'll definitely be more more than myself. 00:17:06
I think that as a staff liaison to this committee, I'll kind of be leading the charts, but I'll be doing it consulting with other 00:17:09
public works staff and also planning staff. 00:17:13
So all that I'm saying is as long as you're comfortable, I'm comfortable. Let me put it that way. And I'll make sure to talk to, 00:17:18
you know, other staff that have done more RFP's than I have and kind of reassess as we get closer to putting this out, OK? 00:17:26
And then I would say final question from me. So we talked about this 100,000 amount that is allocated right now and this is now 00:17:34
spilling into July, so. 00:17:38
Does that 100,000 carry over? So that I think that'll be slightly up to you council members. I think it was budgeted in the last 00:17:42
fiscal year and we're going to submit for it to carry over. So assuming that that doesn't get spiked by council, it will, you 00:17:49
know, I think we're going to, we're going to push that to carry over to the next year and assuming the council doesn't. 00:17:56
You know, change that, then it will. 00:18:03
OK. So essentially if we take an action which is in May. 00:18:05
Which will say we are going out to RFP with this RFP process. 00:18:10
Which is going to happen in June, which is still within the fiscal year. 00:18:14
And technically, the money needs to be at least budgeted for this effort. 00:18:18
Correct, Yeah. So it was budgeted in this current fiscal year and it'll have to be carried over into next year just like any other 00:18:23
public works project, correct. I think it's budgeted under under consulting services. 00:18:29
And but was budgeted for this particularly. 00:18:35
Let me put it all. What I'm getting at is if there's any need or desire for this committee to meet. 00:18:38
In order for those funds to be expanded. 00:18:44
Let us know. 00:18:47
Otherwise, I'll assume that everything is going to go forward. 00:18:49
All right. Thank you. That's all from my side. 00:18:53
And then one, excuse me, Chair McDonald, the one other thing I wanted to mention. 00:18:58
The language that I left in here was that is is. 00:19:03
Or the selection committee for the different proposals proposers was to have staff on that. But after I posted that and I thought 00:19:06
about it, I thought it might be more appropriate to have kind of a combination of staff and committee members. 00:19:13
So I think that's something that we should keep in mind between now and next meeting is to perhaps have a number of volunteers 00:19:20
from the committee or assigned people from the committee less than a quorum. 00:19:25
That would want to join staff on a future. 00:19:30
Selection committee of. 00:19:34
The proposers. 00:19:36
Nothing like to be on that. And then the one other thing I wanted to mention is that this doesn't mention any specifics about 00:19:42
exactly where we want to go. And one thing that question that's come up in a lot of our past discussions is whether we want this 00:19:47
plan to be sequel qualified or not. 00:19:52
And I think in general what my understanding is that for the most part when you get a consultant on board. 00:19:59
Their kind of general template and framework is to go sequel qualified. I think that's just kind of the standard. So I think we 00:20:05
should be aware that most of these proposals are going to come in probably suggesting that and pushing us towards that. And it's 00:20:11
going to be up to us as a committee to kind of guide it away from that if that's what we want or? 00:20:18
Guided towards that, if that's what we want. 00:20:25
Could you please describe the difference between what that would look like? I'm assuming there would be a cost difference because 00:20:29
it would be more complex to go through the secret process, but would there be advantages and disadvantages that you know of? 00:20:34
So I think that. 00:20:40
I'm not 100. This is still something that seems to elude me a little bit, but my understanding is that a sequel Qualified Climate 00:20:42
Action Plan meets the requirements of the secret guidelines, specifically section 15183.5 B. 00:20:49
And the key advantage is that it streamlines the greenhouse gas analysis of new development projects. 00:20:56
That are subject to environmental review. So like if we have a big development. 00:21:04
And part of their. 00:21:08
Environmental Review. 00:21:10
Is going in part of the sequel requirements for their environmental review is going to include a greenhouse gas? 00:21:13
Study by being in a city that has a secret qualified climate action plan, they can kind of. 00:21:18
Use that data to help get their. 00:21:25
Analysis. 00:21:28
And then I think the there's different opinions on how much that matters for a city or for a climate action plan to be sequa 00:21:30
qualified for things like getting grants where I think in the past when not a lot of cities had climate action plans, I think that 00:21:37
if you were one of the few. 00:21:43
Cities that were kind of ahead of the curve and already had one and it was sequel qualified, you could use that to your advantage 00:21:50
to get grants. But then we have heard from speakers and other people that that advantage is really not there anymore. And now they 00:21:55
aren't giving kind of preferential treatment to cities that have these plans and are sequel qualified. They're more looking at 00:22:01
other factors. So I think that some of the advantages of having a sequel qualified plan. 00:22:06
Aren't as big as they might have been five years ago or 10 years ago. And that's that's kind of based off of what we heard from 00:22:13
mostly from. 00:22:17
The staff person from the city of Watsonville who kind of looking back at their experience of creating a sequel qualified plan and 00:22:22
then looking at other regional cities kind of had, you know, had. 00:22:28
Questioned what would have been the most advantageous. 00:22:36
I think it's definitely a question we'd want answered from the proposals and. 00:23:14
I'll have to consult with other consult with other staff to see if it's a how to appropriately put it into the RFP or if that's 00:23:19
maybe something more appropriate for later on in the. 00:23:24
Selection process and the kind of just the collaborative process once we have a consultant selected. 00:23:29
And part of the reason I ask is because different consultants might price that out differently. So if we've already chosen A 00:23:36
consultant, we might not have the benefit of seeing the differentiation across all of the different consultants. So that might be 00:23:41
an advantage of having that visibility in the initial process. So it's definitely something that I'm willing to look into kind of 00:23:46
other RFP's and other. 00:23:51
Kind of see it, try and strategize on how to work that in as a question at some point. That'd be great. Thank you. 00:23:57
Yeah. No, that that's a very valid point because the cost difference could be important. It does. And this is just for 00:24:06
clarification because I don't know if it's more a sequa. 00:24:11
I guess qualified plan, is that what would be considered more traditional? I know you mentioned the non traditional versus 00:24:17
traditional. Yeah, I think, I think the word I remember hearing and maybe I misspoke, but it was conventional or non conventional, 00:24:21
but kind of in the same idea, yeah. 00:24:26
I think usually a sequel qualified plan would be a conventional plan and then non sequel qualified as non conventional. 00:24:32
And does anybody know what a non conventional plan looks like? I think that it can look like. 00:24:40
They can any number of things, you know, I think, I don't think there's any. 00:24:46
It has been, you know. 00:24:50
By definition non conventional. 00:24:52
It kind of. You can tailor tailor make it to whatever you'd like. 00:24:55
Sorry, I was going to say didn't. 00:25:00
Then the guy from Watsonville. 00:25:02
Some suggested nontraditional plan. He did. He did. I think he said he wished they'd done that in retrospect. So they don't 00:25:05
currently have a non traditional plan. Do I remember that correctly? 00:25:11
OK. So I think that's a really strong endorsement for maybe not going the traditional secret route, not only because it would 00:25:19
maybe cost more money, but because it doesn't seem to maybe make sense in these times since there's already so many guidance and 00:25:26
regulations in place that we're not having to kind of reinvent the wheel anymore. We could maybe utilize that and do something 00:25:32
more, more tailor fit to our needs. Yeah, I agree. And I think if I could or we can figure out a way to put some language. 00:25:39
Kind of leading the perspective, perspective proposers to that concept that might help to have them justify one way or the other. 00:25:46
Yeah, what what would work to our advantage, maybe just not now, but in the long term. 00:25:53
So that we don't have a week plan, for example, of five years down the road, it would really be to our advantage to be secret 00:26:02
qualified. 00:26:05
You know on On that note, does this have a timeline like for? 00:26:10
The respondent to come up with the deliverable like a year's timeline or? 00:26:15
It does not have a. It doesn't have those timelines delineated in this RFP, no. 00:26:22
But I think I would expect that any proposal from the proposers would include their timeline and then it would before we would 00:26:28
make an agreement. 00:26:32
With that proposal or any propos? 00:26:37
We would kind of negotiate that timeline or set that timeline. 00:26:40
OK. And if you want to, you can make it explicit there to say that suggests that they include a timeline with their with their 00:26:44
proposal. 00:26:48
So that we can evaluate that. 00:26:52
Along with milestones. 00:26:56
Stop by that. Agreed. And as you guys know, like Rincon is doing our housing element and Rincon had proposed a CAP kind of concept 00:26:58
too. 00:27:03
So technically, Rincon can bid, right? Absolutely. Yeah. OK. All right. Just making your work. 00:27:10
That seems from the last meeting that. 00:27:18
We really didn't know what. We just really had no idea where we were going and that the hiring of the consultant was going to be 00:27:22
more advisory. 00:27:26
Unless jumping right into a plan, you know, whether we focus on adaptation or you know what we focus on. So. 00:27:31
I'm just curious. And then you said that. 00:27:39
That this RFP as drafted is probably going to elicit responses more along the the. 00:27:43
Conventional. 00:27:49
So I wonder, are we going to get all of our base questions answered? 00:27:51
In this RFPD believe. 00:27:57
So I think what I was trying to say with whether this I think anytime that we solicit. 00:28:03
Consultants. 00:28:10
Consultants are going to default to a conventional plan. Mm-hmm. Because I think that is by far the most common type of plans. So 00:28:11
I think anytime a consultant looks at what's been done in the past or what they've done in the past. 00:28:17
Chances are those were conventional plans and I think most of the time the non conventional plans were mostly authored in house my 00:28:23
understanding. 00:28:27
So I think by going this way with a consultant, we are kind of leaning in that direction and I think it's going to take some. 00:28:33
Like almost intervention from us or if that's really what we want to avoid. 00:28:41
Then it's going to take, you know, us kind of being vocal about that and intent on that. 00:28:46
And the consultants, you know, the consultants are going to hopefully come with quite a bit more experience on this topic than any 00:28:54
of us and they might have a good case to make. 00:28:58
Or the conventional plan? Mm-hmm. 00:29:04
Do we know of any consultants that have developed non conventional plans that we could invite to specifically apply? 00:29:08
I am not aware of. That's something I'd be happy to look into. I think that the. 00:29:17
Yeah, I'm not. So that's not a question I'm prepared to answer. 00:29:24
I'm just thinking that might be something useful to look into because somebody who has done unconventional plans in the past may 00:29:29
be more likely to kind of think outside the box and look more specifically at Taylor, making them to individual city's needs. 00:29:36
Do we have examples of any local? 00:29:44
Communities that have a non conventional plan, I would have to double check, but I believe that the except for Carmel, maybe 00:29:47
Carmel, Carmel's plan is conventional, yes. They did it in house though, right? They did it with the help of two different 00:29:54
consultants. So they started it, they with a similar kind of setup as we have with a climate committee and then the climate 00:30:00
committee with staff first wrote their vulnerability assessment and then they brought in one consultant group that did their 00:30:06
climate action plan. 00:30:12
They've got included as an appendix to their climate adaptation plan that was written by another consultant and those consultants 00:30:19
helped, didn't just write the plans, but also helped with their to, you know, run their meetings, do community engagement and the 00:30:24
whole process. 00:30:28
Thanks. I believe it's one of the counties, I want to say Santa Cruz County. 00:30:34
Or that has the has a non dimensional plan. 00:30:39
But don't quote me on that. 00:30:44
But there are Regent, there are an an example or two or two regionally that are non conventional and I believe that those 00:30:46
municipalities were a big enough organizations and. 00:30:50
Mostly created the plans themselves in house without a consultant. 00:30:56
OK. That's really helpful to know and. 00:31:02
Like Commissioner Myers had said that or committee member. 00:31:06
Committee, a member said. 00:31:11
I also kind of was under the impression that the idea was to get into a consultant to guide us on the path, which likely would 00:31:15
lead to writing a plan. So I would think it would be important to to make sure that. 00:31:20
Making it clear at the beginning that we are looking for somebody to guide us and what is the best option for us would be 00:31:27
beneficial because that way they're really aware that we are not married to a conventional plan. And we really want somebody who 00:31:32
will will look beyond that and let us know if that is or isn't the best option for us, why and why not. And, and I think that will 00:31:38
guide us in the best direction, especially having had information that there's buyers remorse a bit people who've gone the 00:31:44
conventional route. 00:31:50
And so anything we can do to get more information and. 00:31:57
Yeah, If I may make a suggestion, I think any items like this, we can technically put it as part of the evaluation criteria. So 00:32:37
the evaluation criteria can state. 00:32:41
What is your approach towards developing this plan? Are you going with a conventional approach or non conventional approach? 00:32:46
Provide us the pros and cons. 00:32:51
And similarly milestones or low cost, whatever be the case, that can be your evaluation criteria since we're involving staff and 00:32:57
and a committee set here. 00:33:01
We can examine that thoroughly and, say, decide what we want to do at that point in time. 00:33:06
But I'm pretty sure the consultants know both approaches is just that how How will they tackle both in the context of Pacific 00:33:11
Grove? That is to be TBD kind of thing. 00:33:17
That makes sense. Yeah, I think that that sounds like a good idea. Yeah. So anything that, you know, kind of flushes out that we 00:33:23
are looking to potentially lean on conventional, I think would help because we would be more likely to get somebody to go that 00:33:28
route because they're probably very used to writing proposals where everybody's looking for conventional. So we're going to lead 00:33:33
that direction. It may not really occur to them to give us more of that outside of the box thinking that they might have going in 00:33:39
on conventional route. 00:33:44
That kind of leads into the grants too because that's my biggest concern with non conventional. 00:33:50
I think we talked about that after the Watsonville meeting, but. 00:33:57
So just, I think it's just more information. We just need a lot of information. 00:34:03
Which would come up in. 00:34:13
The course of your discussions with people, making their submissions and then asking them questions and the questions back and 00:34:17
forth, right? 00:34:20
Commissioner Myers, I think so. I think getting the, getting this RFP out and getting proposals in, we'll start to answer some of 00:34:24
those questions and we'll probably find. 00:34:28
Out and find more questions that we didn't even know. Yeah. 00:34:33
That's usually the case exactly, yeah. 00:34:38
And it sounds like that will give us a really robust evaluation process so we better understand what's best for the city. 00:34:41
And knowing that the evaluation process is going to be robust, I suggest not two days for that little timeline, maybe put a window 00:34:47
in there so that we are able, first of all, we need to find our own schedules to match with staff schedules and et cetera. 00:34:54
So maybe give some cushion there. 00:35:03
Thank you. Understood. 00:35:04
Anybody with any other discussion points on this topic? I know we'll be bringing it back next month to discuss it more fully to 00:35:09
get a second review of this. And I'm, I'm guessing too, that that will give us more time to read all the materials that, that 00:35:15
George so wonderfully put together for us. And if and if in the meantime people have further comments or feedback, I'm always 00:35:21
available phone calls or e-mail or if you'd like to meet. 00:35:27
I'm here. 00:35:34
Right. Because I think if we notice things in the meanwhile based on our discussion today feed that directly to to you that would 00:35:36
make the most sense and then you would have that information to pull together for the the meeting next month on the agenda, 00:35:40
correct, Correct. 00:35:44
That would be great. I know I tried. Thank you for the links too to the other counties and cities. I know I was able to open a 00:35:50
couple of them. I had trouble with a few opening but I don't know if that was my own Internet or computer not allowing me. So we 00:35:55
may want to double check the links. 00:35:59
That were provided. 00:36:05
Yeah. And I was able, I think I was able to download. I didn't try to count any ones yet. Actually I ran out of time, so. 00:36:07
OK. So yeah, but I think that that's a good resource and but none of the ones you sent us that you're certain of were non 00:36:13
conventional plans, correct? 00:36:18
One of the counties, possibly one of the counties, I believe that the county of Santa Cruz, but I want to double check on that so 00:36:23
I can look into that and respond to the group. 00:36:27
With a better answer because I think that would help us to maybe key in because there's so many to read and they're on very many 00:36:32
pages. So if we knew that, OK, here's a good example of a non conventional. 00:36:38
That we could at least look to and get an idea for. How does that look different than the conventional? That kind of helps us. 00:36:44
With our future discussions, I think because we'll have a better perspective of what that looks like. 00:36:50
Yeah, the comparison piece. Yeah, exactly. 00:36:55
And I think we had talked at one of our long ago meetings that Carmel may be more similar to us than some of the others because of 00:36:58
the similar coastal aspects to us. And so I think that one and maybe a non conventional one may be really good starting points for 00:37:03
us. 00:37:08
As far as reviewing. 00:37:14
Sounds great. 00:37:16
Anything else you feel that we need to cover in our discussion today? 00:37:18
I don't think so. I think if we kind of all kind of spend the next month to review those documents and regional plans. 00:37:22
And then we can plan to come back in May and I think we're working on a potential speaker for May, so having a speaker for that 00:37:30
meeting as a regular meeting. 00:37:34
And then also to review a second draft, maybe a final draft of the RFP. 00:37:38
We can move forward like that. 00:37:44
OK. And kind of on that note, if we don't have anything else on this item, what I can do is close this item and go to item 7, 00:37:46
which is next meeting. And I don't know if technically we need to take public comment on the next meeting item, but it's an item 00:37:50
on the agenda, so I would presume that we should. 00:37:55
I don't know. I don't think you're welcome to. I don't think we need to. But if you'd like to, OK, I can open it up just in case 00:38:00
if anybody out there in video land that has a comment regarding next meeting. 00:38:06
The floor is yours, Lisa. Hi is. Can you hear me? 00:38:13
'Cause I have, Oh, you can hear me. 00:38:21
OK, All right. So my, my comments are totally unprepared today because I I wasn't able to just jump on this, but I think it's 00:38:24
great that you're planning to meet next month. 00:38:31
One thing considering there's so much that needs to be understood about this is there is the option because we well, our new city 00:38:39
manager doesn't start until May 6th, but he he has a. 00:38:48
Bachelor's degree in geography and and with a concentration in environmental planning and analysis. So he he might. 00:38:57
Have some? 00:39:11
Good perspective on this and in any case, and he has lots of experience in planning and city management. 00:39:12
The city allows. 00:39:22
The city manager to have a I forget what the spending authority something that's under $50,000. It doesn't have to go through City 00:39:25
Council and so you could you know, there's the option of hiring somebody on a much. 00:39:35
Smaller scale just on the in the advisory role this friend well and even with the historical consultant for. 00:39:45
The NOAA building that that that contract is just $16,000. 00:39:56
So it's possible that you could. 00:40:03
Get more on board with with what you think you need if you go that route and and I would think that the. 00:40:07
Planning Director, the CDD director Karen Vaughn. 00:40:16
Might also be more experienced in in. 00:40:22
RFPs because. 00:40:27
Public Works does so many of our RFPs, but they're all for CIP kind of projects, they're all. 00:40:30
Not for this kind of planning. And in fact they got really bogged down when they tried to do the archaeological resources one. So 00:40:36
anyway, those are just things that. 00:40:41
George may already be planning to do or may be aware of, but I thought that would be great. And then. 00:40:48
Maybe at you would put on the agenda for your next meeting to create a subcommittee, because I mean, you can only have two people. 00:40:54
But you need to have it on the agenda before. So it's like today, even though you may know you want a subcommittee, you can't do 00:41:04
it today. But just just some thoughts from my observations from what what's going on. Thank you so much. 00:41:12
No further hands. 00:41:24
All right. Well that was very helpful and then any other? 00:41:27
Any comments on that? 00:41:33
You know, that actually does make an an interesting point and I'm wondering if. 00:41:35
So we're we're kind of like going almost big package. I don't do you remember what Rincon's came in As for that just the CI. I 00:41:43
could have sworn they came back with something else on another bid that we asked them for that ended up being so much larger than 00:41:48
their initial bid that my concern is that might be the case with climate action, but I don't remember what they're. 00:41:53
Yeah. So we're already talking way over what we were anticipating. 00:42:01
Potentially. 00:42:05
And I think as their bids evolved with different timelines and different things, the cost for the Climate Action and Adaptation 00:42:06
Planning add-on grew. 00:42:10
So I think they're the first bit I saw from them was in the $85,000 neighborhood, but then like the second and third bit I saw 00:42:14
were over 100,000 approaching 150,000. 00:42:19
OK. Yeah. And so I guess what I'm wondering is as we're talking for the. 00:42:25
Next meeting agenda and then when that will be? 00:42:31
Wouldn't make sense to. 00:42:35
Consider the possibility of getting it as a two stage process, a consultant first and then expanding that into because that was 00:42:38
sort of my question earlier but it wasn't quite. 00:42:42
Sure. How to formulate it at the time, since we kind of were talking bigger RFP, does it make sense? 00:42:48
Part of that process to. 00:42:53
Do it as a two stage process. Start with the consulting and then add in for the consulting. Are we less likely to get bids that 00:42:56
way would you think? 00:42:59
I don't feel prepared to answer that question. It's not something that I've explored in depth. 00:43:05
Yeah, no worries. I just kind of wanted to throw it out there as kind of a thinking point because it will be relevant for the 00:43:10
meeting for next month. 00:43:14
And so. 00:43:19
I'm not sure how that would work as far as writing an RFP specifically though. Yeah, my suggestion is I think. 00:43:20
More or less like all of these plans, Like I've looked at quite a few of them more as they look similar. It doesn't like there's 00:43:25
not rocket science to like develop something incredibly different. 00:43:30
My suggestion is, I think it's a great suggestion from Mr. Gianni that the city manager is here. I think it's important for us to, 00:43:36
at least in the time window that he's here between 6th and 16th or whatever, just at least have a chat with him to see what his 00:43:42
views are and perhaps we can invite him to this call. 00:43:47
So that he can attend and he can provide his views. 00:43:53
And that way we can be directed as to what what we need to do next. And he's part of Marina, he's already knows the Marina kind of 00:43:56
climate action, etc. That'll be helpful. Indeed. There's a limit 40,000. She's correct. So there's a limit 40,000 up to 40,000. 00:44:03
So 39999.99. 00:44:12
That he's authorized to. 00:44:14
Provide money for. 00:44:17
I think with the series of steps that we have taken, I think we're at a good point already. 00:44:19
And if we're doing as George is suggesting, we should be able to get there. But I think taking Matt's opinion doesn't hurt. And so 00:44:24
let us do that and maybe we can come prepared for the May 16th and invite him to my suggestion. So. 00:44:31
Yeah, that makes a lot of. 00:44:39
Yeah, I think that makes a lot of sense. And I think that that might give us more insight into whether it makes sense to do it as 00:44:42
sort of a tiered approach to doing the consulting first, decide which direction we want to go and then solicit an RFP that more 00:44:46
directly addresses on the direction that makes sense for us. But I again, I don't know how that would impact applicants for an RFP 00:44:51
so. 00:44:55
I know that probably doesn't give you great guidance on, I understand the question. I just, I don't have a well thought out answer 00:45:02
for you. Yeah, no, no, I wouldn't expect that on the spot. More just kind of like us thinking and like trying to think about like 00:45:09
what are good next steps. So maybe even a way to address both options that might like, I don't know if you could do the RFP as 00:45:15
like 2 parts, one for the consulting phase and then the second-half as the development phase type thing. So. 00:45:22
OK, yeah, I was thinking more like an informal thing. So I'm going to connect with Matt at some point, I think. So I'm pretty sure 00:46:03
George is definitely going to connect. So I think we'll have some feedback before the May 16 meeting. I don't think we need to 00:46:08
wait till May 16th to get this done. 00:46:14
So it can be an informal call or chat. 00:46:21
What do you think? 00:46:25
Like you said, I definitely plan to include the CDD director and the new city manager in the this discussion and I I think it'll 00:46:27
start informally, definitely. 00:46:31
OK. So hopefully we've given you enough guidance on our thoughts and the direction we think would be useful to kind of put that 00:46:37
together as if it needs any modifications or or what the new city manager might recommend if that should be A2 staged approach or 00:46:41
something like that. 00:46:45
I think so. I think so. I agree. 00:46:51
OK, great. 00:46:54
Well, that being done, then I would move for adjournment. 00:46:56
And thank you very much. 00:47:00
And see you guys on May 16th, 2024 at 4:00 PM. 00:47:03
Thank you everyone. 00:47:08
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