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Well, perfect. It is 402. Let's go ahead and get started. And Secretary Zane is able to join. We'll have her join. So can we go 00:00:00
ahead and start with an approval of the agenda? 00:00:05
And note we do have two continuous items from the previous meeting. 00:00:12
I'll make a motion to approve the agenda. Do I have a second? I'll second. Can I get a roll call vote please? 00:00:16
Commissioner Markowitz, Commissioner Richmond. 00:00:22
Excuse me, Chair Moreland, Aye. 00:00:28
I cheer up then. Hi. 00:00:31
Motion passes. 00:00:33
Thank you very much. Do we have any Commission or staff announcements? 00:00:36
And I see Secretary Xena just joined. So I'm just going to give her a quick update. We just approved the agenda and and welcome to 00:00:46
the meeting. 00:00:50
Yeah. 00:00:56
So do we have any or item number two, is there any Commission announcements? 00:01:00
I don't see any hand raised, so I'm gonna see if there's any staff announcements. I do know we have other staff updates coming 00:01:05
later in the agenda, so I'm sure they'll be part of that. So with no announcements, we'll move on. Council liaison. So we welcome 00:01:11
council member Federi to the EDC. Thank you so much for joining us. 00:01:17
Yes, thank you. And I look forward to working with each one of you here to take things forward. I also wanted to take this 00:01:24
opportunity to let you know that I I saw some folks having. 00:01:30
Some board member expiration dates in January, so we have a cut off time of December 21st for board and committee appointments if 00:01:37
there's any interest to renew. 00:01:43
Please, please volunteer and continue your fantastic work. Thank you. 00:01:49
Thank you so much. We'll now open it up to general public comment. 00:01:55
So if you are part of the public and would like to speak, please click the Raise Hand part of your Zoom application and we will 00:01:59
give you 3 minutes to speak. 00:02:03
We have Andrews Henry's. 00:02:11
I just allowed him to talk. 00:02:15
Perfect. Welcome, Andrew. 00:02:16
Hi, my name is Andy Kubica and I have something to say, but I don't know if it's related to item 11 because I'm not sure I quite 00:02:18
understand everything about item 11, so I don't know whether to speak here or when you get to item 11. 00:02:24
So, so typically, so for each of the agenda items we will have public comment option as well. So if it is related to the budget, 00:02:32
item 11 is probably the best time. 00:02:38
All right. Thank you so much. Looking forward to hearing from you. 00:02:45
Do we have any other hands raised from the public? 00:02:48
No, we do not. 00:02:52
All right. Thank you very much. We will move on. 00:02:54
For the minutes. 00:02:59
And I believe that we do not have minutes to approve. 00:03:02
Do I have, do I have that correct, Ben, I believe we do not have minutes. Yes, Chair, that's correct. We, we do not have minutes 00:03:08
as part of this meeting. Thank you. Perfect. Thank you. So we're going to skip item 5. We'll move on to item number six. So this 00:03:15
is an update on the Arts District subcommittee and Commissioner McMurdo have your name for that one. Sure. So the Arts District 00:03:22
subcommittee is planning on meeting on Monday, but in the meantime? 00:03:29
Liz Jacobs from Wildfish, who was who presented to us at our last meeting, talked to one of the artists from the Art Center and 00:03:37
she created a draft art district map and I was hoping I could at least share that with you just so you can kind of see what 00:03:44
direction. 00:03:50
They're starting to go in with that. 00:03:58
And let's see if I can share my screen. Sorry, hold on one second. 00:04:00
All right. Oops, that's the wrong one. 00:04:04
All right. Can everyone see this? 00:04:06
Yes. Yeah. OK. So this is the map that. 00:04:09
An artist from the PG Art Center actually created this is a draft. This is a template, but we did get permission to be able to 00:04:15
share it with the Commission today just as sort of a here's a start to some of the things that the the subcommittee is going to 00:04:21
start working on. This is one piece of a very large project and we are going to start working on that shortly. So I just wanted to 00:04:27
show you this. 00:04:33
And then also show you something that is a little bit kismet actually that we are working with a local award-winning author. This 00:04:39
is the Chambers website on featured stories twice a month and strangely enough he wrote a story. I didn't ask him to write a story 00:04:48
specifically about art NPG, but he wrote a story on art houses and this is a really great sort of. 00:04:56
Grassroots Pigrovian who's lived here for over 25 years. 00:05:06
And just just some really interesting. 00:05:10
A literature based blog, if you want to call it that, We're calling it the Great Tide Pool. And twice a month he's going to be 00:05:14
writing these featured stories that we're going to, that we're going to publish. So I just wanted to show this to you so you guys 00:05:19
could see it and hopefully you can go on to our site. It's really simple to find. It's in the Discover tab and it's called 00:05:24
Featured Stories. 00:05:29
So let me stop sharing. 00:05:34
There, that is the end. Don't have a lot to report. Like I said, we won't meet until Monday. 00:05:37
Thank you very much. We'll now open it up to public comment. So if you'd like to speak, please click raise your hand. 00:05:42
I do not see any hands raised. 00:05:49
OK. Thank you very much. We'll now open it up to commissioner discussion. 00:05:53
And I do not see any hands raised, so I will say thank you very much, Commissioner McMurdo, for that presentation. 00:06:01
We'll move on to item number 7, which is the Pacific Grove Business Owner Spotlight and we I. 00:06:07
And I asked her to fill fill in for Sarah this month. I was gonna have her in January. So the purpose of doing a business 00:06:47
spotlight, which is something that Chair Moreland actually brought to me as a suggestion, is just to give a chance for the 00:06:54
commissioners to talk to an actual business owner in town and and ask them some questions. I sent the questions that we had 00:07:01
provided to Stephanie. So First off, welcome Stephanie Loftus. Thank you. 00:07:09
Stephanie, can you just tell us a little bit about yourself? 00:07:18
Yeah, I I'm. 00:07:21
Carmel resident I was born and raised and Carmel went to River Middle, Carmel High, but some of my family lived in Pacific Grove, 00:07:24
so I have a connection to Pacific Grove as well. I went to San Jose State for graphic design and soon after graduating. 00:07:34
Started working for the original owner of the Quill on Invitation design and that was back in 2006. 00:07:44
And she and I developed a strong connection and friendship over the years, and she was really hoping that by the time she was. 00:07:52
Ready to retire that I would be interested in taking over, so I purchased the business from her at the end of 2016. 00:07:59
The quill has been in Pacific Grove since 1996. We used to be up the street on right up here a couple doors up from where we are 00:08:09
now on Grand Ave. but now we're at the corner of Grand and Lighthouse which we we love this historic building and and the the 00:08:18
landlords Ted and Stacy Golding are the best so we're we're really lucky to be where we are. 00:08:26
That's actually really good to hear. So let me get into sort of Q&A here and then we it'll I'll open it up to the commissioners 00:08:36
ask definitely questions as well. So you've already told us how long you've been operating the business. So what are the main 00:08:43
challenges your business is currently experiencing? What are the big things that keep you awake up at night? 00:08:50
Staffing has been an issue. 00:08:58
I don't know. 00:09:01
This magic formula that it seems like everybody has figured out where they don't have to go to a physical job anymore. 00:09:04
But we we have a hard time finding anybody who's willing to work more than one or two days a week. 00:09:09
We did shorten our hours after Kovid. We did not decide to increase them except for the holiday we're we're doing later hours on 00:09:16
Fridays and Saturdays, but normally we're open. 00:09:22
11:00 to 4:00 Monday through Saturday and 11:00 to 3:00 on Sundays, which people have adjusted to, but I know it is kind of an 00:09:30
early close for some people. But we figure, you know, since we're open seven days a week that. 00:09:36
You know, people. 00:09:43
Hopefully get to us on a day if they have a day off but staffing is has definitely been an issue. One thing that's been an issue 00:09:45
that I've brought up to Jenny and it's I don't know if it can even be solved but I. 00:09:51
The recycling cardboard issue is a real problem for us because the current waste management system that the city has their 00:09:59
contract with will not take flattened boxes unless we pay $9 for a sticker and then twine them together in three by three bundles 00:10:07
and put a $9 sticker on the bundle. 00:10:16
The former, Waste Management, used to allow us to have one, you know, one or two constructed boxes with all of our flattened boxes 00:10:26
in it. But it's gotten to be a real problem, so I'm actually having to. 00:10:31
You know, payout of pocket to hire somebody to come. 00:10:36
Sometimes BI Weekly to come get boxes. And it's also, I know a lot of businesses, you know, down the street from me, they're 00:10:39
putting recyclables in their waste bin because they're recycling, their recycling bin gets full and they're just like, well, I 00:10:45
have nowhere else to put this, so I'm just putting it all in my waistband, so. 00:10:52
It's it's been an ongoing an ongoing issue but. 00:10:59
Sales have been great, traffic has been great. 00:11:03
Other other than those issues, you know everything's been. 00:11:07
Been pretty good. 00:11:11
Did any of the commissioners have any specific questions on, you know, follow up on that? I think sorry, I just want to jump in. I 00:11:13
think what we need to do is we'll finish, if you wouldn't mind making the Q&A part kind of the questions that we are going to be 00:11:19
sending out to all businesses and then we'll go to public comment and then we'll come back and do Commissioner, just so it's. 00:11:26
Everything is always being seam line the same way if you if you wouldn't mind. No that makes sense. Thank you Chair. Appreciate 00:11:33
it. OK so the next question is are you aware the business resources that are available to you through the EDC's, through the 00:11:39
economic development Commission like yes yes improvement program with minority on business grants. I am like I said we're really 00:11:45
fortunate to have really lovely building owners who you know take care of facade issues had the building painted a couple years 00:11:51
ago. 00:11:57
So I haven't applied for any of those programs because I think our buildings in pretty good shape and I know about the women and 00:12:04
minorities grant too. I didn't apply for it simply because I I felt there's probably other businesses that could use to help more 00:12:10
than I can. 00:12:15
But but I get all the communication. I I'm one of the ones who actually reads the e-mail, so I am aware of all the programs. 00:12:22
That's great. 00:12:29
OK. Have you heard about the new website? Yes, and I've been on the website. It's great. It's really, really good. I think it's 00:12:31
really clear. I always am so confused when people, you know, I talk to people who are kind of interested in opening businesses and 00:12:37
they're like, oh, we want to be in Carmel. And I'm like, why do you want to pay, you know, $15,000 in rent for a business that you 00:12:44
don't have any proven, you know, statistics on? So I always am encouraging people to, to come to Pacific Grove because I think 00:12:50
it's, I think it's. 00:12:56
The obviously the best you know but but it's just it's beautiful the community's great the business owners and the chamber are 00:13:02
really supportive and and but the new website I think is really really good. I think it's a great resource. 00:13:09
For new new potential business owners. 00:13:16
Thank you. And last but not least on our list, what can your city's Economic Development Commission, which is this group, this 00:13:20
body, due to better support and engage with your business? 00:13:26
I think, you know, just knowing the people I think is great. It's always nice when you know, somebody comes into the store and 00:13:33
just, you know, introduces themselves and said, hey, I'm, you know, on this committee or whatever, I'm on a couple committees 00:13:38
myself and I think. 00:13:43
A lot of the time just the business owners having a face knowing a name. 00:13:49
Can be really helpful so that if a question comes up they can be like hey I have no idea who to, you know direct this question to, 00:13:54
but is this something your your boards you know? 00:14:00
Handling. So I think just being present in the community is is definitely the most the most helpful. 00:14:06
Thank you, Stephanie. OK, back over to Chair Moreland. 00:14:15
Thank you very much, Stephanie. We'll now open this up to public comment. So if you'd have something to say, please raise your 00:14:19
hand if you're from the public. 00:14:22
We do have Inga's hand raised. 00:14:31
I just allowed her to talk. 00:14:33
Perfect, welcoming. 00:14:35
Thank you. 00:14:37
Uh, Stephanie, I have received so many lovely, lovely, unusual cards from your shop. But I always say where did you find this? And 00:14:38
so over the years and I am truly. 00:14:44
Native here. 00:14:52
And I am fascinated to hear. 00:14:55
Your problems with green waste. I have been complaining about our horrible contract. 00:14:58
When we first got it, yes, bean waste is not responsive. They are not a good company and they absolutely charge an arm and a leg. 00:15:05
And our city continues to renew a contract with them that I worked with Caleb Schneider and now I'm trying going to try and work 00:15:12
with George first. 00:15:19
This is no way with the recycling bit that you're talking about and the horrid costs that they have and this company. 00:15:27
I need to band together and get rid of them and see what else is out there so I am fast over here. Business owners are not happy 00:15:36
to because I am just a resident. 00:15:42
A senior resident who's having problems for a long, long time with them, so I appreciate your sharing that. 00:15:49
Thank you and. 00:15:57
Yes, when I ever get downtown, I will get in there. I love receiving the cards. Thank you so much. 00:15:58
Thank you very much. Do we have any additional hands rates from the public? 00:16:07
I don't see any. 00:16:13
Thank you very much. We'll open up to commissioner discussion now and Commissioner Richmond has her hand raised. 00:16:14
Yes, hello. Well, thank you, Stephanie. I'm happy to meet you. I'm Kelsey. I'm at Captain and Stoker Coffee. We just opened up 00:16:20
this past year and hearing what you had to say about the recycling, I'm actually. 00:16:26
Now confused because they don't have us do that with our recycling, with our boxes. 00:16:34
So now I'm just like wait, why would they pick and choose who has to bundle them and put a sticker on? So I'm not really sure if 00:16:38
it's by section of PG or what, but. 00:16:44
On Lighthouse, but they've been, but we should know that. 00:17:25
Yeah, but I've. I've talked to them many times because there's been times too, where are, you know, I'm very careful not to 00:17:28
overstuff any of my bins because I've watched how those trucks work and sometimes, you know, the bin doesn't tip completely over 00:17:35
and so you'll end up with 1/2 full bin. Well, one day our bin was completely full, like it hadn't been serviced. The guy came out. 00:17:42
He was taking cell phone pictures. He actually was so forceful with the lid of our thing. He broke it. He was so angry that he had 00:17:49
to come back out. And, you know, service, our thing that wasn't service. So I've had many phone conversations with them and I 00:17:56
agree with Inga, they are. 00:18:02
Terrible to deal with, yeah. And I just, I don't know what the solution is because I, you know, I'm paying over $100 a week. 00:18:08
To have my boxes taken to the recycling facility by, yeah, family, friends. So yeah. And another thing with the recycling, which 00:18:16
is interesting, this is in Monterey too. We use a lot of Tetra packs, which are what, like the alternative milks come in and such. 00:18:22
Those are supposed to be recycled. 00:18:28
But like getting a green business and all this, this certifications, you actually can't be recycling those because our system, 00:18:34
like the actual disposal companies don't have the correct machinery. So we're having to throw away things that are recyclable just 00:18:40
because they don't have the right equipment. So I just wonder if that's kind of a part of this larger conversation as well for the 00:18:46
recycling company and if we need to look at a different direction. So yeah. 00:18:53
Yeah, I know. Yep. So thank you. 00:19:01
Thank you very much, Secretary Zena. 00:19:06
1st, just thank you so much Stephanie for coming and joining and sharing with us. And also thank you to Chairman Moreland for the 00:19:09
idea and for Jenny for bringing starting the series. I think it's really helpful to stay grounded and we have business 00:19:15
representative, but it's always helpful to hear diversity of opinion. So really appreciate that. 00:19:22
And two things that I picked up on and what you shared and so one kind of follow up and then one separate question. 00:19:30
I am really. 00:19:37
Sorry to hear about your staffing concerns, that is really frustrating the staff. 00:19:39
Some you know to staff with people only willing to work one or two days, they can't imagine that. So I I don't know if I have an 00:19:46
immediate solution for that, but one of the things that you had said in terms of like shrinking your hours to respond to 00:19:52
individuals not wanting to come in person. 00:19:57
It made me wonder. And I'm. 00:20:04
About a year ago we had a report and I'm wondering if some of the other my. 00:20:07
My fellow commissioners would will recall some of the details here, but just about like what are what we can do with specific 00:20:12
growth to spur economic activity in our city. And they were really talking about kind of how some cities operate on like a nine to 00:20:20
nine, Like you know what a schedule of when we have business activity is particularly in our downtown center. And that it was 00:20:28
interesting that in Pacific Grove we actually are because of the proliferation of restaurants, how much activity. 00:20:36
Happens more in the evening and weekends and not like needing to offer more activity during the daytime. So I'm curious, just kind 00:20:45
of trying to thread what we heard from that. 00:20:51
Consultant presentation and what we're hearing from you, I heard that you feel like traffic is good, sales was good. So if you 00:20:58
didn't have the staffing issue, if you could easily staff, do you think you would? 00:21:05
Open and elongate your hours. Are you really comfortable with the hours you're open today? And actually it might. It might be 00:21:13
helpful to start with confirming which hours you are open. But I assume it's kind of a more daytime operation, yeah. And and the 00:21:17
other thing I should I I should have mentioned. 00:21:22
I so I'm open Sundays from 11:00 to 3:00 I get. 00:21:28
So many people every single Sunday that are saying thank you so much for being open. Nothing downtown is open. Is everything 00:21:33
always closed on Sundays? Why are they closed on Sundays? It's a three day weekend. 00:21:39
What is going on? And so I've been and I've brought it up because I'm on a couple of committees, you know, with Jenny too and. 00:21:45
I really think we should try to figure out a way to encourage the businesses to maybe. 00:21:53
Close on Tuesdays like Peppers does or something, but Sunday? People spend a lot of money on Sundays. I'm I'm just shocked. But in 00:21:58
terms of the hours, I would be willing to extend the hours however, especially during this time of the year once it gets dark. 00:22:07
We don't see a lot of people coming into the store. They're here to go to the restaurant so and it's nice because we have. 00:22:18
Great rest we have you know Wild Fish and Rodolfo's and Victorian Corner and then across the street Giannini whenever that reopens 00:22:25
with the new owners, we're in a good spot. We just it can be you can be in the store for 1/2 hour and nobody comes in so. 00:22:32
You know, to pay people to staff. 00:22:41
You know, we have to make it worth our while. Um. 00:22:45
But, and the other thing that's making it difficult with staffing too, with this one and two days a week thing, is the new 00:22:48
requirement. You know that businesses with five or more employees are required to open 401K accounts for their. 00:22:55
Employees, although we don't have to contribute to them, that's a lot of extra work. 00:23:02
And so I'm like right at the threshold right now and it's like. 00:23:07
If I hire another person who can work three days a week, then I'm probably going to have to let go of the person working one day 00:23:12
to offset and. 00:23:16
You know the five person rule, so there's some, you know, challenges that haven't been an issue before, but I'm always willing to 00:23:21
look at extending hours if I can support. 00:23:27
You know, paying somebody to be her or myself being here for an extra, you know, couple hours. 00:23:34
OK. Thank you. That was really helpful. I have another question, but I will not hoard your time. I'll see if someone else does. If 00:23:40
not, I'm happy to raise the handpad, but I will see the floor. Do you have any other commissioner discussion? Otherwise, Secretary 00:23:44
Xena, it's your floor. 00:23:49
OK. I my other question was just a lot of our role is seeking to see like how we can spur new businesses to come to this area. I'm 00:23:54
curious if you know you are an established business so that focus doesn't necessarily directly impact you, but what would be your 00:24:04
kind of ask for us or maybe recommendation for us as we seek to attract new businesses to fill vacant lots and? 00:24:14
Just embark on spurring new economic activity with new businesses. What would you recommend we consider? 00:24:24
It's tough because like my, my market is kind of withering to say the least. I mean you. 00:24:32
I'm I was in San Francisco just yesterday and I was shocked with the amount of. 00:24:40
Retail that had closed in the city so. 00:24:46
You know, bringing in, you know, we obviously have tons of restaurants, great restaurants, but trying to bring in. 00:24:51
You know, maybe some more retail I. 00:24:58
I think one of the limitations is the size of the. 00:25:02
The locations that are available, I mean, for a new business, it's kind of daunting to look at like say, the Pier One building and 00:25:06
say, Oh yeah, I'm gonna take this and I'm gonna be able to fill this. 00:25:11
There's no easy solution to that. Obviously you can't change the size of storefronts, but I. 00:25:18
You know, I think the website, I think the website is great. It's just at this economic climate on the brink of, you know, 00:25:25
possibly a recession and whatnot, it's really difficult to convince people. 00:25:31
You know that. 00:25:39
That now is the great time to open a business unfortunately. But I think the more transparent you make it and with the website and 00:25:41
you know those statistics about how much money is spent in the city and. 00:25:47
You know, the average income, all of that is really helpful. 00:25:54
To me that that. 00:25:59
That's great, but I think. 00:26:01
You know the proof is in the pudding if they see other businesses thriving. 00:26:02
And can hear from other business owners that it's a great city to. 00:26:08
Do business and I think that's going to be the most helpful. 00:26:12
Stephanie, I wanted to see how much appreciative we are of you not only speaking tonight, but the Quill being part of Pacific 00:26:18
Grove, a business in our community. I have a quick question I always like to reverse when we see challenges such as staffing. You 00:26:25
spoke very eloquently about why people may not, may not, you know, join your workforce. Can you speak towards those who have 00:26:32
stayed and those who are, you know, your loyal employees we used to, why are they saying why are they? 00:26:40
Within those parameters, what's making them stay? What's what's, what's working? 00:26:48
I have two young girls that work for me. Both have other jobs. They just want, they're looking at, you know, hopefully buying 00:26:54
homes in the future and they just want some extra income. So that's why, you know, they've stayed. I have my mother works for me 00:27:03
so she she kind of by osmosis ends up being here all the time. And then my other employee works three days a week. She. 00:27:12
Is kind of in between. 00:27:22
Careers kind of figuring things out and just likes the environment We get a lot of. I mean, most of our customers are wonderful 00:27:25
and we have regulars that come in multiple times a week. So it's really, you get to know people and it's really a community feel. 00:27:30
It's not like. 00:27:36
It's not, as you know, it's not like a business where you may see one person, you never see them again. So, you know, they tell me 00:27:43
they like feeling like they're part of a team and feeling like they're part of the community. 00:27:50
Which, which I always you know. 00:27:57
I always strive to to do but it's you know it's just it's an odd time and I keep I'm I'm willing to raise pay if I need to to you 00:28:00
know keep people or attract new people. But it seems like no matter what I do it's just kind of there isn't there isn't a lot of 00:28:06
interest but I've heard that from everyone so I. 00:28:12
It's just kind of where we are now. 00:28:20
Commissioner McMurdo. 00:28:22
Yeah. This is actually a sort of an internal question because of what you just said, Chair Moreland. How about I add on to that 00:28:25
question, what are the main challenges your business is currently experiencing and what is working for the future? 00:28:31
OK. 00:28:39
Got it. Yes, Commissioner Richmond. 00:28:40
Yeah, I just wanted to also talk about that employee issues because I'm have, I'm of course having the same issues. It's it's hard 00:28:45
finding people. It's hard finding people with the right availability. 00:28:51
And actually something I've noticed is almost all of our employees that work for us. 00:28:58
Some of them are coming from Prunedale and Salinas and it's like I think a lot has to do with not being able to afford living in 00:29:04
PG. So there are less people right here. 00:29:09
And if you're working somewhere that's very community oriented, but you don't live in the community, it doesn't feel the same. So 00:29:16
I think if there were more people actually living, like able to live in town, that would be very helpful. Because I mean, if you 00:29:23
think about it, we really are a very retirement age kind of town. So there are less people looking for those kind of jobs. 00:29:29
So I think it really also has to do with just who is actually available and looking. So that might play a part as well. It's just 00:29:37
like the actual housing. Valid, Very valid, yeah. 00:29:42
Well, seeing no other hands raised again, Stephanie, thank you very much for speaking about tonight. Yeah, thank you for having 00:29:50
me. 00:29:53
Thank you. We'll move on now to item number 8. This is with Mr. Harvey, the business owner survey update. 00:29:57
Hi there. Thank you, Chair. Just very briefly, I'm sorry, forgive me for a moment. 00:30:05
Sorry, always fun when your dog decides to talk. And so we we are currently in the midst of the city of conducting the survey. You 00:30:13
may have heard about it. It involves. 00:30:19
The potential skate park locations and that is going to be open until the end of this month and so we're waiting for that to 00:30:25
finish. There will be some analysis once the survey closes up. 00:30:31
That we are going to wait for, particularly we're wanting to see. 00:30:39
The discerning between those who live in 93950, which is Pacific Grove, versus those who do not skate park survey of course, is 00:30:43
open to anyone, just as a potential skate park would be. But we're going to punch some numbers and. 00:30:50
Split the data up. Once that's finished, we should be able to probably in the. 00:30:58
January to February, Time Frame launched the EDC Business Owner Survey. It's going to go to all licensed business owners in 00:31:03
Pacific Grove. We have their e-mail address from the business license system. You have already as a body decided upon the 00:31:10
questions that you wish to ask them. It's in the agenda report. I'm going to be the chair is urging and I think it's a good idea 00:31:16
adding one more question to that survey and that relates to childcare. 00:31:23
Just seeing if childcare is a barrier or an issue, so that will be a fill in answer on that and. 00:31:31
That that's basically the update that I have. It's being run through Zen City which is our software provider. It's part of the 00:31:40
package that we get complimentary for them with our subscription. So I'll stop talking and let it go to public comment and 00:31:45
commissioner dialogue. Thank you. 00:31:50
Yeah, just wanted to add in that the childcare element he spoke of is what we've already approved upon. We already had the vote. 00:31:55
So it would be a way to combine those two elements to get the results back to the EDC to work upon that information sooner. That's 00:32:01
the the genesis of that. We'll open it up to public comment. Do we have any hands raised for public comment please? 00:32:07
I do not see any hands raised. 00:32:15
All right. Thank you very much. We'll open up to Commissioner comment and I see Secretary Zena first. 00:32:19
Sorry, I wanted to. 00:32:29
Since we are not launching that survey until next year and we have some time, I'm just curious hearing what we heard from 00:32:33
Stephanie about the challenge of. 00:32:38
Having more than five employees requiring a offering of 401K, I'm curious and and this might there might be other forums where 00:32:44
that question is being posed. And Jenny, I assume that you've been in touch with business leaders about that. But I'm my first 00:32:50
thought when I heard that from Stephanie was if this is something that a lot of businesses are struggling with. I wonder if there 00:32:57
is kind of a way that there can be some efficiencies where kind of businesses grouped together. So it didn't takes that. 00:33:03
And with that example of the 401K requirement being one potential to consider. 00:33:45
Do you have any other Commissioner discussion? I see Commissioner McMurdo raised your hand. Yeah, I just kind of wanted to respond 00:33:55
to that. That's it's it's state law starts January 1. It's a requirement and so. 00:34:02
Everyone has been inundated. If you have a small business with those emails that say, make sure that you sign up for Cal Savers or 00:34:11
you have a plan. 00:34:15
I don't know. Yes, it's probably one of the pieces of a challenge, but. 00:34:21
Besides going and talking to your legislators and advocating, which we did prior to it being being put on, put on the books, I 00:34:29
don't know. I don't know if it's something that we should add to the questionnaire or the survey. 00:34:37
I don't know, that's just my $0.02. 00:34:46
Secretary. 00:34:50
Yeah, I guess I was just thinking like, um. 00:34:52
From me, even just hearing what Stephanie had just mentioned, even if you're not going to contribute just like administratively 00:34:55
it's difficult. And if we knew that that kind of multiple businesses were facing that administrative challenge, if that could be 00:35:00
something that they. 00:35:04
Did you know like a kind of collaborative where that administrative portion was shared across kind of local partners that feel 00:35:10
like trusted local partners? And so I don't think that there is like a solution in terms of you know, it's a requirement, but more 00:35:16
just to say, hey, if you're in PG and you're a small business and this is administrative. 00:35:22
Like there's a community of businesses who? 00:35:29
Who just even like collegially. 00:35:32
Partner to alleviate some or share some of that admin burden. There may not be something that we could offer, but I think just 00:35:37
even being able to identify that there are these businesses who fall under that cusp of like 4:00 to 7:00 where they're either 00:35:44
just hitting that mark or right under it and nervous to hit that mark. I think could be helpful to pair those businesses together 00:35:52
to see if there is a way that kind of Better Together and making that administrative lift a little easier. 00:35:59
But anyway, so we, I don't feel strongly about it. It just that comment made that's where I thought of like if we're trying to 00:36:07
make Pacific Rd. more attractive and remove barriers even if it's not something we're directly offering, but just facilitating 00:36:13
some of businesses working together on that, I think that could be helpful. I'm don't feel like we need to add it, but it also 00:36:19
made me think do we want to revisit and finalize that set of questions after our January meeting once we'll hear from another 00:36:25
business and they may also raise. 00:36:30
Topics that we might want to consider soliciting from the broader group, but. 00:36:37
Again, don't feel strongly if people don't think it's maybe the appropriate forum for that sort of question. 00:36:42
Do we have any other Commissioner discussion? 00:36:49
All right. Thank you very much. We will now move on to item number 9. This is with Miss O'halloran and it's in regards to the 00:36:53
women and minority business owner grant status update. 00:36:58
Hi, good afternoon, Chair, EDC members and members of the public. I'm Laurel O'halloran with an update on the women and minority 00:37:05
owned business grant opportunity. 00:37:09
The program was launched November 21st of 2022 and will close on January 6th of 2023. 00:37:15
So far I've received 6 applic. 00:37:23
And anticipate more to come in soon. Staff plans to bring this item to the January 19th EDC meeting with a list of who has applied 00:37:26
and a scoring criteria. The EDC will need to form a subcommittee at this meeting to review the submittals and make a 00:37:31
recommendation. 00:37:37
At the February 9th, 2023 meeting for two applicants to receive the grant. 00:37:43
This recommendation will go to council and the subcommittee will bring the recommendation to the March City Council meeting for 00:37:48
decision. 00:37:52
That's my update. 00:37:56
And just wanted to mention in there. 00:37:59
Mr. Holly was right. I'm going to be out in January. So that's why she mentioned January 19th as a potential date for the review. 00:38:01
So we'll cover that later. But you did hear that right, January 19th as a potential sub for that. Thank you. We'll now move to 00:38:07
public comment. 00:38:13
I see no hands raised chair. 00:38:21
Thank you very much. We'll open it up to commissioner discussion. 00:38:24
The Commissioner McMurdo. 00:38:31
Not really discussion, just glad to hear that you've got, he said. Six applications thus far. That's great to hear. Good. 00:38:33
Any other discussion before we move on? 00:38:43
Thank you so much, Laurel. 00:38:47
Thank you. All right, we will now move on to. 00:38:49
Unfinished and ongoing business. 00:38:55
So I'm not seeing any of this. I think we'll jump to now a #11. 00:39:00
So we have the budget update, and this is with Mr. Harvey. 00:39:05
Thank you, Chair. 00:39:10
For your consideration this evening. 00:39:12
You have. 00:39:16
1313 thousand dollars remaining. 00:39:18
To program, you've already earmarked $20,000 for the Women in Minority Business Grant. As you just heard. You earmarked another 00:39:22
5000 to help. 00:39:28
With the Internet advertising, for lack of a better term, I'm using the wrong words. I know Vice Chair Upman for the Pick PG site, 00:39:35
but that leaves you with 13 grand that you have at your disposal. How exciting. 00:39:41
There are lots of options for for you to consider you you heard at your last meeting. 00:39:48
You know a report from HDLE Consolutions as to as to some suggestions. 00:39:54
Since the time that this item was on your agenda, Miss O'haller and I met with local radio station KRML. 00:40:01
And they are very interested in trying to partner with the EDC in some type of concert. 00:40:10
The thought being that if the concert is well received, perhaps it could lead to a future concert series or other concerts. 00:40:17
You may ask what would KRML? 00:40:27
Contribution be what would be in promoting the concert, of course on the airwaves and through their network. 00:40:30
They indicated that for a contribution from the EDC of five to $10,000, that would likely take care of artist fees. 00:40:37
The need to rent a facility. 00:40:47
And the associated fees with that? 00:40:51
They indicated that from their experience, the best. 00:40:53
Group of artists to tap into or you know for them, our course of the format for their radio station, which is kind of a 00:40:57
rock'n'roll pop singer-songwriter type format. 00:41:02
They always suggest. 00:41:08
Try to go for an artist that either has an album out or is on tour. 00:41:10
Because they tend to have the support of their label to help with things, and if the Commission decides to do that, they stand 00:41:14
ready to jump in right away and see what artists might be possible and. 00:41:20
Look at a date. 00:41:27
Venues that could be possible. Chautauqua Hall. 00:41:29
That's near the downtown. You would have to, you know, rent some Porta potty facilities for that to be used, but for the right 00:41:33
act, it could be a perfect venue. 00:41:38
What we're recommending with this agenda item is to appoint a subcommittee. 00:41:44
Two people have that subcommittee meet between now and January and come back with some recommendations on how to program that 00:41:49
money. 00:41:53
That is the end of my report. 00:41:57
Thank you very. 00:41:59
Mr. Harvey, do you mind mentioning, because I know it was an important aspect before we go and for public comment, was that this 00:42:02
was. 00:42:05
Had influence from City Council. It was one of their goals of City Council how to do the arts. Would you mind speaking towards 00:42:10
other things that would be helpful? Sure. Chair one of the City Council goals and I'm gonna state it incorrectly, but it's helped 00:42:15
help the local business economy recover and or thrive. I can't remember which phrase we used exactly. A corresponding tactic of 00:42:21
that was to create a music. 00:42:27
Series. And so while a concert is certainly not a music series, you know, it'd be a way to really see if there's interest and 00:42:34
enthusiasm and if the community would would receive it well so that we could know if that was something we should pursue further. 00:42:40
So that thank you for that question. 00:42:45
Thank you very much. We'll now move to public comments, so please click Raise your hand on The Zoom if you'd like to speak from 00:42:52
the public. 00:42:55
And I do see Andrew has raised his hand. So welcome back, Andrew. 00:43:01
You have the floor. 00:43:06
And Andrew, if you're speaking, you know we do have you. OK. Thank you. I begin to hear you now. Thank you, Andrew. OK, thank you 00:43:13
very much, Chair. And thank you, Mr. Harvey for the presentation. 00:43:17
The When I read this item here, I wasn't sure what. 00:43:23
First of all, I think it's a great idea that we have some type of festival with artists. I think that's wonderful. I think using 00:43:29
Chautauqua Hall is wonderful. 00:43:32
Stockholm seems to me to be a wonderful city asset that needs needs to be repaired, needs additional work. 00:43:37
And it it would then shine and we could use it for the group there for the city. 00:43:44
One of the items that I noticed here was the Porta potties and I'm not sure why we would be using Porta potties. 00:43:51
I didn't know if that was because the bathrooms right now are not functional or need work or. 00:43:58
If the this was in addition to the current bathrooms that are there and that's what brought my thoughts up and that's why I didn't 00:44:04
know if it came up front, public comment or here. 00:44:09
But right now I believe. 00:44:15
We have a. Let's see if I can get it here. 00:44:19
Chautauqua Hall has a capital improvement of $27,000 to fix the bathrooms. 00:44:23
And what they're supposed to be doing for that, for that bathroom, is redoing the floor and fixing some of the drywalls. 00:44:29
And you know, I don't know how old the bathrooms are. I haven't been over there for a while. I. 00:44:36
And. 00:44:41
The several things I've seen in other cities and and San Francisco. I was up there one time and. 00:44:42
They've gone to unisex bathrooms and maybe we need to do that for this particular bathroom instead of just redoing it. 00:44:50
And that would allow for more bathrooms being used and they put a sink outside the the stalls. 00:44:56
And you know, we can convert the two bathrooms we have there to, you know, multiple stalls with a sink outside and then that's 00:45:02
enclosed. 00:45:05
And I didn't realize you were going to use that money to hire. I thought maybe the EDC would be willing to throw in 13 K to go in 00:45:10
with the 27 Ki. Don't know how much it would cost to do what I'm suggesting. 00:45:16
But I I think trying to fix up Chautauqua Hall. 00:45:23
Would be a great idea. 00:45:27
And it would help the community. Umm. 00:45:29
And I'm just throwing it out there more than anything else. And if I lost my picture, I apologize. My computer does weird things 00:45:32
sometimes when it takes my picture away. 00:45:36
But yes, I think you should have do something with the having that as a venue. 00:45:41
It could be used for multiple types, not just this one particular. 00:45:47
Trial singing event. 00:45:51
So with that, I'll be quiet. Thank you. 00:45:55
Thank you very much. Do we have any additional public comment? 00:45:58
I see no hands raised. 00:46:03
Thank you very much. I see Commissioner Richmond and then Commissioner Mark Woods after. 00:46:04
Yes. Well, first, Andrew, thank you for mentioning that because that does seem like a very important aspect that we might need to 00:46:09
be looking at in side by side with this new idea. 00:46:15
I just what Stephanie said in the beginning. It is so dead. 00:46:21
You know, at night, like once the sun goes down, it's like there's nobody walking around. So this is definitely a really 00:46:25
incredible idea that will kick up. A lot of people like that are normally just going home. It's dark, there's nothing to do. So I 00:46:30
think that's a really good thing, especially for Pacific Grove's. 00:46:36
There's not much going on in Monterey either, but especially at night, there's a lot less even in Pacific Grove. 00:46:43
And then also there's so many incredible local bands, so I would hope that they would also kind of look into them because not all 00:46:48
of them are touring necessarily or have a new album out, but we really do have a lot of great locals. 00:46:55
And then lastly, I am curious, I'm not sure if this is something that's even been thought of because we're not at that step yet. 00:47:03
But I would hope that if we did have this concert series, whether it's the first time or like if we continue it, that there might 00:47:09
be food and drink vendors. I'm not sure if that is something that can happen in that specific space because I haven't been there 00:47:15
myself, but I can't really imagine going to a concert without being able to get something to drink or to snack on or something. So 00:47:21
I just want to know if. 00:47:27
That has been part of the conversation with that space or um. 00:47:34
Just in general, if that details even been thought of, so yeah, thank you. 00:47:39
Commissioner Markowitz. 00:47:45
Yeah, I think we've lost focus here. This particular agenda item says how are we going to spend $13,000 that's remaining to us. 00:47:47
And all I've heard is about let's have a concert, let's do this, let's have our EDC get together. No, I love the idea of forming A 00:47:54
subcommittee. I love the ideas that are written down here that are much more feasible. 00:48:00
Signage symbols on the Rec Trail to let people know where downtown Pacific Grove is a bicycle app to lead bicyclists to. 00:48:08
Come to Pacific Grove and do their businesses. Uh proposed Arts district among I think a subcommittee needs to do this. 00:48:16
The music's a wonderful idea, but it's. 00:48:23
I hate to put this out there. It's a can of worms. And REDC, we have a lot on our plate. We're talking about doing money and all 00:48:26
these things going and now all of a sudden. 00:48:31
For some reason I understand the suggestion is very valid, but all of a sudden are we getting into promoting business and we're 00:48:37
trying to find local? 00:48:40
That's not what this is about. Let's form a subcommittee and take a look at how to spend the rest of the money in something that's 00:48:44
going to benefit the entire city. That's not going to take bring somebody in to spend all this money and bring groups in and go 00:48:49
through the list of who's going to do what. Let's take a look at some of the things that we can do very simply for the $13,000 we 00:48:55
have left. 00:49:00
Thank you. 00:49:06
Thank you. We'll go to Commissioner McMurdo and then following Ladue. Commissioner Richmond, please. 00:49:07
Great. Thank you, Chair Morlam, because I'm on the Arts District subcommittee with Ariel, She's looking at me like we're going to 00:49:12
ask for money. 00:49:18
I obviously they they have asked and once we have a formalized plan in place which we're hoping to do by the January meeting so 00:49:25
that we can actually show you costs for some of the items that we're we're looking at. I definitely want to be able to throw. 00:49:34
Some of that for from this fiscal year's budget and then also look at the next fiscal year as well for for the arts district 00:49:43
subcommittee because they're just getting going. I did want to mention that you no one knows this, but the chamber is actually 00:49:51
proposing and in fact our applications are into the rec board currently for a music series. 00:49:59
July, August and September it would be on a Fridays. We originally thought rocking the jewel the Jewel park right next to where it 00:50:09
was, but we're also considering Point the. 00:50:14
Lovers point rock on the point as well as an alternative. Those applications are currently into the rec board for consideration. 00:50:20
So just so you know, music is definitely. 00:50:25
We're working on it in that. 00:50:31
In that Ave. So thank you. 00:50:34
And because it's specifically about that, Commissioner Richmond, if you wouldn't mind just have a quick question for Mr. Harvey, 00:50:38
would you mind speaking to commissions ever partner with other? 00:50:43
Boards and things like that, that we have the city as commissioner, McMurdo said. There's another record potentially working on do 00:50:49
they team together? What is the protocol or something like that? Would that be possible? 00:50:53
Sure the the $38,000 is yours to recommend for programming. 00:50:59
So there aren't constraints as to how you do that, and we'd be happy to take whatever direction. 00:51:05
The subcommittee. If you decide to form a subcommittee, you know I'd be happy to work with the subcommittee. Laurel would be happy 00:51:11
to to firm up some suggestions for the January meeting, whatever they may be. 00:51:17
Thank you, Thank you, Commissioner Richmond, thank you. You're up. 00:51:25
Yeah, I just want to follow up. 00:51:29
Because to me. 00:51:32
This, this idea here definitely does develop the economy a bit, which is to me what we're doing here. 00:51:33
Because I've been to so many different places where they have, whether it's weekly or monthly, you know, concerts in these little 00:51:42
small towns and all of the businesses within within walking distance really like, benefit from that. Because people are walking in 00:51:48
and out as they they hang out the concert, then they go get ice cream, then they go get a pizza, then they backwards apparently, 00:51:54
because normally do the other way. But then you might go shopping like it's definitely just a big community vibe and you might be 00:52:00
meeting even more people. 00:52:05
Within your community. So to me, the concert series absolutely makes sense for us to. 00:52:12
Put our money towards. So I just want to make sure that it's clear that it's not just that we're listening to music, it's that 00:52:18
we're creating more life. 00:52:21
During maybe a time in the in the day, that doesn't usually get quite a lot of life. And that would help out a lot of people like 00:52:26
Stephanie, who she might not stay open normally once the sun goes down. But if there's a concert series going on, she knows she's 00:52:32
going to get a lot of people walking in the doors. So I think that'd be really helpful for her and a lot of other people. 00:52:38
Commissioner Markowitz and then Secretary Zena, please. Yeah, I'm going to go back to the fact that and and Jenny, you had said 00:52:46
about the Arts Council getting together talking about, I think that's the appropriate venue to do that and I think what? 00:52:52
Our Commission should be doing is the subcommittee and as part of a subcommittee investigation is talking to Jenny. Let's take a 00:52:59
look at this. Let's take a look at that. 00:53:04
I think we will be. 00:53:09
By for some reason, by talking about this music thing, we're getting short trip to bicyclists and signage and things that we can 00:53:11
actually spend money on now and get that doing and do some action. If we're talking about a concert series, we're talking months 00:53:17
and months and months down the line. 00:53:22
Because it's not going to be. I'm looking at people on the Commission. 00:53:28
We're not music promoters, that's we're trying to bring stuff in here and we're being asked to take a look at economic. 00:53:32
The situation in Pacific growth and let's do it in an orderly fashion. 00:53:40
We have a committee here. 00:53:44
It's recommended we do a subcommittee and take a look at some great ideas. This is not eliminating music. 00:53:45
But what I'm suggesting is we put this in the proper order and go to the proper venues, Jenny's group, the Arts Council, to come 00:53:50
up with ideas and after January 19th. 00:53:56
Then we can revisit because we'll also at that time have recommendations on how to spend the rest of our paltry funding. 00:54:01
Thank you. 00:54:08
Secretary Zena. 00:54:10
Yeah. So on a similar note to to Commissioner Mark Woods, I was just going to say. 00:54:13
We can continue the discussion now, or we could file a motion to create a subcommittee to review the options. 00:54:21
Including a concert together with KRMC, including coordination with the Arts District Subcommittee and also reviewing the 00:54:28
recommendations made to us in our November meeting meeting and to come in January with a recommendation. 00:54:37
Considering all of those options, I. 00:54:47
That would be my emotion. 00:54:50
Do I have a second of that motion Second? 00:54:55
All right. Can I get a roll call vote please? 00:54:59
Excuse me, Chair, who would be on the subcommittee? 00:55:03
I will vote. I would like to be on that subcommittee. I'm just tossing that out right now. 00:55:08
Do we have any other willing participants of the subcommittee? 00:55:14
I apologize, the reason I am not volunteering is I'm just traveling so much and I'm doing the arts committee subcommittee so it's 00:55:24
I feel over committed beyond that but happy to coordinate with. 00:55:29
Where the arts subcommittee lands, but don't think I can dedicated to being on this subcommittee. 00:55:36
Commissioner McMurdo, are you raising your hand? 00:55:41
Sorry. Go ahead. Oh, no, sorry. Oh, I have my I I will raise my hand to be on that subcommittee as well if unless there's someone 00:55:44
else who would like to be on it. 00:55:49
I'm happy to join that subcommittee as well. So we have three people. So it would be Chair More alone, Commissioner McMurdo and 00:55:58
Commissioner Markowitz would be the subcommittee. So with that in mind that I think that gives us a full motion that was second if 00:56:03
we could do a roll call with that in mind. 00:56:09
The only. Sorry, I'm pausing for a moment. Chair, can we have a subcommittee with three? 00:56:16
You're you're going to be at a quorum there, right? So you're going to need a subcommittee of two. I'm happy to bow out. So it 00:56:22
would be a commissioner back Murdo and Commissioner Mark Woods. 00:56:28
Very good. So I can. 00:56:34
I think we have a motion on the table. I can take the roll call if you like. 00:56:36
Please OK, Commissioner Markowitz Aye. Chair Moreland. Vice Chair Upman Aye. 00:56:39
Secretary Zena. 00:56:47
Aye, Commissioner Richmond. 00:56:49
Aye, motion passes 50. Thank you. 00:56:54
All right. We will move on to our final item, item number 12. 00:57:00
So this is. 00:57:05
With that in context. 00:57:39
One of the items ideas I wanted to present would be when you're coming into Pacific Grove, we have a high traffic area. This is at 00:57:42
the area of Ocean View Blvd. and early. This is near the ATC project if people know where that is that. 00:57:50
We would want to be able to promote the many different businesses. We have a business that have popped up recently. We have ones 00:57:59
that are well established that if you're coming to Pacific Grove, we're able to show you the wide variety of different businesses 00:58:05
we have where they're located to provide a permanent spot. 00:58:10
Would provide something of this caliber. 00:59:34
And with that in mind, I'm going to go and stop my screen and open it up to public comment. 00:59:37
I see no hands raised chair. 00:59:46
Thank you very much. We'll open up to Commissioner discussion and I see Secretary Zena. 00:59:48
Selfishly, not knowing how much we're going to, we're going to request for the Arts District and and. 01:00:23
Wondering you know, whether we want to say yes to something when we know that we have. 01:00:30
In addition to this. 01:00:34
Potential five to $10,000 concert series, our arts district and all of the recommendations we heard last month. It just feels like 01:00:36
maybe we want to consider those all together. 01:00:41
I completely agree and I would. 01:00:47
Would would enjoy the the subcommittee looking at this in context exactly what you said because there's a lot of great ideas that 01:00:49
I think the subcommittee would be a great body to consider that maybe prioritize and then come back but I completely agree with 01:00:55
that sentiment and commissioner Richmond. 01:01:02
Well, I completely agree with Secretary Zena on that one because I was actually going to ask like. 01:01:09
What other things might be in the that we're like thinking about here? Because it's hard to answer something without knowing a 01:01:15
bigger picture, what options there are, but also just on that specific subject. 01:01:20
I do worry that that might not be. 01:01:27
Think about other things as well. 01:02:01
Do we have any other Commissioner discussion? 01:02:04
So, Mr. Harvey, I'm going to ask for guidance on this. Do we need to make a motion for this item to ask the subcommittee to 01:02:09
consider this among the many other items that they are considering for the previous item or is? 01:02:16
Do we need to, we need to vote on that or not, I guess is my question? 01:02:23
I mean, it doesn't to vote on it. I think you've got your two subcommittee members here who heard the direction. So I I would 01:02:27
suggest that. 01:02:31
I think you're fine, Laurel and I can help make sure if that gets lost, but it's pretty clear that that needs to be added to the 01:02:36
mix and it all goes together, so I think you're good. 01:02:41
Thank you very much. 01:02:47
And and then the only other thing is I just wanted to so so that is going to close out that item and then the only other thing was 01:02:50
the next meeting date itself. We are looking at January 19th, so typically we have the 2nd Thursday looking at to push that to the 01:02:59
third Thursday. So that would be January 19th. If you could, wouldn't mind putting that onto your calendar same time. 01:03:08
But the January 19th and do we need to is this a hybrid at that point do we need, are we switching over to Mr. Harvey? 01:03:18
No chair, because the the governor is expected to weigh in in February. You may still conduct it as a virtual meeting. 01:03:27
So in February, we're we're likely going to see a change in state law. 01:03:37
OK, so then it will be a virtual meeting same time, but on the 19th, Secretary Zena? 01:03:41
I generally just because the number of us are having our. 01:03:47
Our seats in this Commission expire and before the kind of re application period, I was wondering if we could get a little bit of 01:03:53
line of sight to the. 01:03:58
Expectation for 2023 around in person Zoom. I will just say I would love to participate next year. I travel so much that I worry 01:04:05
that if I was in person only my participation would make it so that was potentially not tenable. 01:04:13
So just wanted to gauge, I know hearing what you just said around the February comment from the governor, it seems like there's 01:04:22
still ambiguity, but if you could give some direction of what you think things will land, I think that would be really helpful for 01:04:29
those commissioners who are considering their continuation or applying for their continuation next year. 01:04:35
Chair, would you like me to take that? OK, my crystal ball is broken, but I mean, I, you know, I I think. 01:04:44
I bet it'll be a hybrid continuation. Basically we'll just be required to have every single meeting be hybrid. What remains 01:04:51
unclear to me a little bit is whether. 01:04:56
Board members. 01:05:02
Will always be able to participate. 01:05:03
Remotely. That is not as clear to me. 01:05:06
So once we have a little better idea and our city attorney is also involved in this week, we can share that but. 01:05:09
That's what I think right now. Sorry, it's not really good. 01:05:16
Thank you. 01:05:21
If I may, yes, Commissioner Markowitz. Yeah, one thing, Jenny, for some reason I'm just letting you know I don't have either your 01:05:22
e-mail or your phone number, so we could do that because we got to be in touch on this. 01:05:28
Yeah. Actually I was just looking through my e-mail to find your e-mail and I didn't have it. So either Laurel or Ben, could you 01:05:34
guys help connect the two of us? Thank you guys. Thank you very much. 01:05:40
All right. Well, that then adjourns today's meeting and I will see everyone at January 19th at 4:00 PM on Zoom. Thank you all very 01:05:47
much. Have a good evening. 01:05:51
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Well, perfect. It is 402. Let's go ahead and get started. And Secretary Zane is able to join. We'll have her join. So can we go 00:00:00
ahead and start with an approval of the agenda? 00:00:05
And note we do have two continuous items from the previous meeting. 00:00:12
I'll make a motion to approve the agenda. Do I have a second? I'll second. Can I get a roll call vote please? 00:00:16
Commissioner Markowitz, Commissioner Richmond. 00:00:22
Excuse me, Chair Moreland, Aye. 00:00:28
I cheer up then. Hi. 00:00:31
Motion passes. 00:00:33
Thank you very much. Do we have any Commission or staff announcements? 00:00:36
And I see Secretary Xena just joined. So I'm just going to give her a quick update. We just approved the agenda and and welcome to 00:00:46
the meeting. 00:00:50
Yeah. 00:00:56
So do we have any or item number two, is there any Commission announcements? 00:01:00
I don't see any hand raised, so I'm gonna see if there's any staff announcements. I do know we have other staff updates coming 00:01:05
later in the agenda, so I'm sure they'll be part of that. So with no announcements, we'll move on. Council liaison. So we welcome 00:01:11
council member Federi to the EDC. Thank you so much for joining us. 00:01:17
Yes, thank you. And I look forward to working with each one of you here to take things forward. I also wanted to take this 00:01:24
opportunity to let you know that I I saw some folks having. 00:01:30
Some board member expiration dates in January, so we have a cut off time of December 21st for board and committee appointments if 00:01:37
there's any interest to renew. 00:01:43
Please, please volunteer and continue your fantastic work. Thank you. 00:01:49
Thank you so much. We'll now open it up to general public comment. 00:01:55
So if you are part of the public and would like to speak, please click the Raise Hand part of your Zoom application and we will 00:01:59
give you 3 minutes to speak. 00:02:03
We have Andrews Henry's. 00:02:11
I just allowed him to talk. 00:02:15
Perfect. Welcome, Andrew. 00:02:16
Hi, my name is Andy Kubica and I have something to say, but I don't know if it's related to item 11 because I'm not sure I quite 00:02:18
understand everything about item 11, so I don't know whether to speak here or when you get to item 11. 00:02:24
So, so typically, so for each of the agenda items we will have public comment option as well. So if it is related to the budget, 00:02:32
item 11 is probably the best time. 00:02:38
All right. Thank you so much. Looking forward to hearing from you. 00:02:45
Do we have any other hands raised from the public? 00:02:48
No, we do not. 00:02:52
All right. Thank you very much. We will move on. 00:02:54
For the minutes. 00:02:59
And I believe that we do not have minutes to approve. 00:03:02
Do I have, do I have that correct, Ben, I believe we do not have minutes. Yes, Chair, that's correct. We, we do not have minutes 00:03:08
as part of this meeting. Thank you. Perfect. Thank you. So we're going to skip item 5. We'll move on to item number six. So this 00:03:15
is an update on the Arts District subcommittee and Commissioner McMurdo have your name for that one. Sure. So the Arts District 00:03:22
subcommittee is planning on meeting on Monday, but in the meantime? 00:03:29
Liz Jacobs from Wildfish, who was who presented to us at our last meeting, talked to one of the artists from the Art Center and 00:03:37
she created a draft art district map and I was hoping I could at least share that with you just so you can kind of see what 00:03:44
direction. 00:03:50
They're starting to go in with that. 00:03:58
And let's see if I can share my screen. Sorry, hold on one second. 00:04:00
All right. Oops, that's the wrong one. 00:04:04
All right. Can everyone see this? 00:04:06
Yes. Yeah. OK. So this is the map that. 00:04:09
An artist from the PG Art Center actually created this is a draft. This is a template, but we did get permission to be able to 00:04:15
share it with the Commission today just as sort of a here's a start to some of the things that the the subcommittee is going to 00:04:21
start working on. This is one piece of a very large project and we are going to start working on that shortly. So I just wanted to 00:04:27
show you this. 00:04:33
And then also show you something that is a little bit kismet actually that we are working with a local award-winning author. This 00:04:39
is the Chambers website on featured stories twice a month and strangely enough he wrote a story. I didn't ask him to write a story 00:04:48
specifically about art NPG, but he wrote a story on art houses and this is a really great sort of. 00:04:56
Grassroots Pigrovian who's lived here for over 25 years. 00:05:06
And just just some really interesting. 00:05:10
A literature based blog, if you want to call it that, We're calling it the Great Tide Pool. And twice a month he's going to be 00:05:14
writing these featured stories that we're going to, that we're going to publish. So I just wanted to show this to you so you guys 00:05:19
could see it and hopefully you can go on to our site. It's really simple to find. It's in the Discover tab and it's called 00:05:24
Featured Stories. 00:05:29
So let me stop sharing. 00:05:34
There, that is the end. Don't have a lot to report. Like I said, we won't meet until Monday. 00:05:37
Thank you very much. We'll now open it up to public comment. So if you'd like to speak, please click raise your hand. 00:05:42
I do not see any hands raised. 00:05:49
OK. Thank you very much. We'll now open it up to commissioner discussion. 00:05:53
And I do not see any hands raised, so I will say thank you very much, Commissioner McMurdo, for that presentation. 00:06:01
We'll move on to item number 7, which is the Pacific Grove Business Owner Spotlight and we I. 00:06:07
And I asked her to fill fill in for Sarah this month. I was gonna have her in January. So the purpose of doing a business 00:06:47
spotlight, which is something that Chair Moreland actually brought to me as a suggestion, is just to give a chance for the 00:06:54
commissioners to talk to an actual business owner in town and and ask them some questions. I sent the questions that we had 00:07:01
provided to Stephanie. So First off, welcome Stephanie Loftus. Thank you. 00:07:09
Stephanie, can you just tell us a little bit about yourself? 00:07:18
Yeah, I I'm. 00:07:21
Carmel resident I was born and raised and Carmel went to River Middle, Carmel High, but some of my family lived in Pacific Grove, 00:07:24
so I have a connection to Pacific Grove as well. I went to San Jose State for graphic design and soon after graduating. 00:07:34
Started working for the original owner of the Quill on Invitation design and that was back in 2006. 00:07:44
And she and I developed a strong connection and friendship over the years, and she was really hoping that by the time she was. 00:07:52
Ready to retire that I would be interested in taking over, so I purchased the business from her at the end of 2016. 00:07:59
The quill has been in Pacific Grove since 1996. We used to be up the street on right up here a couple doors up from where we are 00:08:09
now on Grand Ave. but now we're at the corner of Grand and Lighthouse which we we love this historic building and and the the 00:08:18
landlords Ted and Stacy Golding are the best so we're we're really lucky to be where we are. 00:08:26
That's actually really good to hear. So let me get into sort of Q&A here and then we it'll I'll open it up to the commissioners 00:08:36
ask definitely questions as well. So you've already told us how long you've been operating the business. So what are the main 00:08:43
challenges your business is currently experiencing? What are the big things that keep you awake up at night? 00:08:50
Staffing has been an issue. 00:08:58
I don't know. 00:09:01
This magic formula that it seems like everybody has figured out where they don't have to go to a physical job anymore. 00:09:04
But we we have a hard time finding anybody who's willing to work more than one or two days a week. 00:09:09
We did shorten our hours after Kovid. We did not decide to increase them except for the holiday we're we're doing later hours on 00:09:16
Fridays and Saturdays, but normally we're open. 00:09:22
11:00 to 4:00 Monday through Saturday and 11:00 to 3:00 on Sundays, which people have adjusted to, but I know it is kind of an 00:09:30
early close for some people. But we figure, you know, since we're open seven days a week that. 00:09:36
You know, people. 00:09:43
Hopefully get to us on a day if they have a day off but staffing is has definitely been an issue. One thing that's been an issue 00:09:45
that I've brought up to Jenny and it's I don't know if it can even be solved but I. 00:09:51
The recycling cardboard issue is a real problem for us because the current waste management system that the city has their 00:09:59
contract with will not take flattened boxes unless we pay $9 for a sticker and then twine them together in three by three bundles 00:10:07
and put a $9 sticker on the bundle. 00:10:16
The former, Waste Management, used to allow us to have one, you know, one or two constructed boxes with all of our flattened boxes 00:10:26
in it. But it's gotten to be a real problem, so I'm actually having to. 00:10:31
You know, payout of pocket to hire somebody to come. 00:10:36
Sometimes BI Weekly to come get boxes. And it's also, I know a lot of businesses, you know, down the street from me, they're 00:10:39
putting recyclables in their waste bin because they're recycling, their recycling bin gets full and they're just like, well, I 00:10:45
have nowhere else to put this, so I'm just putting it all in my waistband, so. 00:10:52
It's it's been an ongoing an ongoing issue but. 00:10:59
Sales have been great, traffic has been great. 00:11:03
Other other than those issues, you know everything's been. 00:11:07
Been pretty good. 00:11:11
Did any of the commissioners have any specific questions on, you know, follow up on that? I think sorry, I just want to jump in. I 00:11:13
think what we need to do is we'll finish, if you wouldn't mind making the Q&A part kind of the questions that we are going to be 00:11:19
sending out to all businesses and then we'll go to public comment and then we'll come back and do Commissioner, just so it's. 00:11:26
Everything is always being seam line the same way if you if you wouldn't mind. No that makes sense. Thank you Chair. Appreciate 00:11:33
it. OK so the next question is are you aware the business resources that are available to you through the EDC's, through the 00:11:39
economic development Commission like yes yes improvement program with minority on business grants. I am like I said we're really 00:11:45
fortunate to have really lovely building owners who you know take care of facade issues had the building painted a couple years 00:11:51
ago. 00:11:57
So I haven't applied for any of those programs because I think our buildings in pretty good shape and I know about the women and 00:12:04
minorities grant too. I didn't apply for it simply because I I felt there's probably other businesses that could use to help more 00:12:10
than I can. 00:12:15
But but I get all the communication. I I'm one of the ones who actually reads the e-mail, so I am aware of all the programs. 00:12:22
That's great. 00:12:29
OK. Have you heard about the new website? Yes, and I've been on the website. It's great. It's really, really good. I think it's 00:12:31
really clear. I always am so confused when people, you know, I talk to people who are kind of interested in opening businesses and 00:12:37
they're like, oh, we want to be in Carmel. And I'm like, why do you want to pay, you know, $15,000 in rent for a business that you 00:12:44
don't have any proven, you know, statistics on? So I always am encouraging people to, to come to Pacific Grove because I think 00:12:50
it's, I think it's. 00:12:56
The obviously the best you know but but it's just it's beautiful the community's great the business owners and the chamber are 00:13:02
really supportive and and but the new website I think is really really good. I think it's a great resource. 00:13:09
For new new potential business owners. 00:13:16
Thank you. And last but not least on our list, what can your city's Economic Development Commission, which is this group, this 00:13:20
body, due to better support and engage with your business? 00:13:26
I think, you know, just knowing the people I think is great. It's always nice when you know, somebody comes into the store and 00:13:33
just, you know, introduces themselves and said, hey, I'm, you know, on this committee or whatever, I'm on a couple committees 00:13:38
myself and I think. 00:13:43
A lot of the time just the business owners having a face knowing a name. 00:13:49
Can be really helpful so that if a question comes up they can be like hey I have no idea who to, you know direct this question to, 00:13:54
but is this something your your boards you know? 00:14:00
Handling. So I think just being present in the community is is definitely the most the most helpful. 00:14:06
Thank you, Stephanie. OK, back over to Chair Moreland. 00:14:15
Thank you very much, Stephanie. We'll now open this up to public comment. So if you'd have something to say, please raise your 00:14:19
hand if you're from the public. 00:14:22
We do have Inga's hand raised. 00:14:31
I just allowed her to talk. 00:14:33
Perfect, welcoming. 00:14:35
Thank you. 00:14:37
Uh, Stephanie, I have received so many lovely, lovely, unusual cards from your shop. But I always say where did you find this? And 00:14:38
so over the years and I am truly. 00:14:44
Native here. 00:14:52
And I am fascinated to hear. 00:14:55
Your problems with green waste. I have been complaining about our horrible contract. 00:14:58
When we first got it, yes, bean waste is not responsive. They are not a good company and they absolutely charge an arm and a leg. 00:15:05
And our city continues to renew a contract with them that I worked with Caleb Schneider and now I'm trying going to try and work 00:15:12
with George first. 00:15:19
This is no way with the recycling bit that you're talking about and the horrid costs that they have and this company. 00:15:27
I need to band together and get rid of them and see what else is out there so I am fast over here. Business owners are not happy 00:15:36
to because I am just a resident. 00:15:42
A senior resident who's having problems for a long, long time with them, so I appreciate your sharing that. 00:15:49
Thank you and. 00:15:57
Yes, when I ever get downtown, I will get in there. I love receiving the cards. Thank you so much. 00:15:58
Thank you very much. Do we have any additional hands rates from the public? 00:16:07
I don't see any. 00:16:13
Thank you very much. We'll open up to commissioner discussion now and Commissioner Richmond has her hand raised. 00:16:14
Yes, hello. Well, thank you, Stephanie. I'm happy to meet you. I'm Kelsey. I'm at Captain and Stoker Coffee. We just opened up 00:16:20
this past year and hearing what you had to say about the recycling, I'm actually. 00:16:26
Now confused because they don't have us do that with our recycling, with our boxes. 00:16:34
So now I'm just like wait, why would they pick and choose who has to bundle them and put a sticker on? So I'm not really sure if 00:16:38
it's by section of PG or what, but. 00:16:44
On Lighthouse, but they've been, but we should know that. 00:17:25
Yeah, but I've. I've talked to them many times because there's been times too, where are, you know, I'm very careful not to 00:17:28
overstuff any of my bins because I've watched how those trucks work and sometimes, you know, the bin doesn't tip completely over 00:17:35
and so you'll end up with 1/2 full bin. Well, one day our bin was completely full, like it hadn't been serviced. The guy came out. 00:17:42
He was taking cell phone pictures. He actually was so forceful with the lid of our thing. He broke it. He was so angry that he had 00:17:49
to come back out. And, you know, service, our thing that wasn't service. So I've had many phone conversations with them and I 00:17:56
agree with Inga, they are. 00:18:02
Terrible to deal with, yeah. And I just, I don't know what the solution is because I, you know, I'm paying over $100 a week. 00:18:08
To have my boxes taken to the recycling facility by, yeah, family, friends. So yeah. And another thing with the recycling, which 00:18:16
is interesting, this is in Monterey too. We use a lot of Tetra packs, which are what, like the alternative milks come in and such. 00:18:22
Those are supposed to be recycled. 00:18:28
But like getting a green business and all this, this certifications, you actually can't be recycling those because our system, 00:18:34
like the actual disposal companies don't have the correct machinery. So we're having to throw away things that are recyclable just 00:18:40
because they don't have the right equipment. So I just wonder if that's kind of a part of this larger conversation as well for the 00:18:46
recycling company and if we need to look at a different direction. So yeah. 00:18:53
Yeah, I know. Yep. So thank you. 00:19:01
Thank you very much, Secretary Zena. 00:19:06
1st, just thank you so much Stephanie for coming and joining and sharing with us. And also thank you to Chairman Moreland for the 00:19:09
idea and for Jenny for bringing starting the series. I think it's really helpful to stay grounded and we have business 00:19:15
representative, but it's always helpful to hear diversity of opinion. So really appreciate that. 00:19:22
And two things that I picked up on and what you shared and so one kind of follow up and then one separate question. 00:19:30
I am really. 00:19:37
Sorry to hear about your staffing concerns, that is really frustrating the staff. 00:19:39
Some you know to staff with people only willing to work one or two days, they can't imagine that. So I I don't know if I have an 00:19:46
immediate solution for that, but one of the things that you had said in terms of like shrinking your hours to respond to 00:19:52
individuals not wanting to come in person. 00:19:57
It made me wonder. And I'm. 00:20:04
About a year ago we had a report and I'm wondering if some of the other my. 00:20:07
My fellow commissioners would will recall some of the details here, but just about like what are what we can do with specific 00:20:12
growth to spur economic activity in our city. And they were really talking about kind of how some cities operate on like a nine to 00:20:20
nine, Like you know what a schedule of when we have business activity is particularly in our downtown center. And that it was 00:20:28
interesting that in Pacific Grove we actually are because of the proliferation of restaurants, how much activity. 00:20:36
Happens more in the evening and weekends and not like needing to offer more activity during the daytime. So I'm curious, just kind 00:20:45
of trying to thread what we heard from that. 00:20:51
Consultant presentation and what we're hearing from you, I heard that you feel like traffic is good, sales was good. So if you 00:20:58
didn't have the staffing issue, if you could easily staff, do you think you would? 00:21:05
Open and elongate your hours. Are you really comfortable with the hours you're open today? And actually it might. It might be 00:21:13
helpful to start with confirming which hours you are open. But I assume it's kind of a more daytime operation, yeah. And and the 00:21:17
other thing I should I I should have mentioned. 00:21:22
I so I'm open Sundays from 11:00 to 3:00 I get. 00:21:28
So many people every single Sunday that are saying thank you so much for being open. Nothing downtown is open. Is everything 00:21:33
always closed on Sundays? Why are they closed on Sundays? It's a three day weekend. 00:21:39
What is going on? And so I've been and I've brought it up because I'm on a couple of committees, you know, with Jenny too and. 00:21:45
I really think we should try to figure out a way to encourage the businesses to maybe. 00:21:53
Close on Tuesdays like Peppers does or something, but Sunday? People spend a lot of money on Sundays. I'm I'm just shocked. But in 00:21:58
terms of the hours, I would be willing to extend the hours however, especially during this time of the year once it gets dark. 00:22:07
We don't see a lot of people coming into the store. They're here to go to the restaurant so and it's nice because we have. 00:22:18
Great rest we have you know Wild Fish and Rodolfo's and Victorian Corner and then across the street Giannini whenever that reopens 00:22:25
with the new owners, we're in a good spot. We just it can be you can be in the store for 1/2 hour and nobody comes in so. 00:22:32
You know, to pay people to staff. 00:22:41
You know, we have to make it worth our while. Um. 00:22:45
But, and the other thing that's making it difficult with staffing too, with this one and two days a week thing, is the new 00:22:48
requirement. You know that businesses with five or more employees are required to open 401K accounts for their. 00:22:55
Employees, although we don't have to contribute to them, that's a lot of extra work. 00:23:02
And so I'm like right at the threshold right now and it's like. 00:23:07
If I hire another person who can work three days a week, then I'm probably going to have to let go of the person working one day 00:23:12
to offset and. 00:23:16
You know the five person rule, so there's some, you know, challenges that haven't been an issue before, but I'm always willing to 00:23:21
look at extending hours if I can support. 00:23:27
You know, paying somebody to be her or myself being here for an extra, you know, couple hours. 00:23:34
OK. Thank you. That was really helpful. I have another question, but I will not hoard your time. I'll see if someone else does. If 00:23:40
not, I'm happy to raise the handpad, but I will see the floor. Do you have any other commissioner discussion? Otherwise, Secretary 00:23:44
Xena, it's your floor. 00:23:49
OK. I my other question was just a lot of our role is seeking to see like how we can spur new businesses to come to this area. I'm 00:23:54
curious if you know you are an established business so that focus doesn't necessarily directly impact you, but what would be your 00:24:04
kind of ask for us or maybe recommendation for us as we seek to attract new businesses to fill vacant lots and? 00:24:14
Just embark on spurring new economic activity with new businesses. What would you recommend we consider? 00:24:24
It's tough because like my, my market is kind of withering to say the least. I mean you. 00:24:32
I'm I was in San Francisco just yesterday and I was shocked with the amount of. 00:24:40
Retail that had closed in the city so. 00:24:46
You know, bringing in, you know, we obviously have tons of restaurants, great restaurants, but trying to bring in. 00:24:51
You know, maybe some more retail I. 00:24:58
I think one of the limitations is the size of the. 00:25:02
The locations that are available, I mean, for a new business, it's kind of daunting to look at like say, the Pier One building and 00:25:06
say, Oh yeah, I'm gonna take this and I'm gonna be able to fill this. 00:25:11
There's no easy solution to that. Obviously you can't change the size of storefronts, but I. 00:25:18
You know, I think the website, I think the website is great. It's just at this economic climate on the brink of, you know, 00:25:25
possibly a recession and whatnot, it's really difficult to convince people. 00:25:31
You know that. 00:25:39
That now is the great time to open a business unfortunately. But I think the more transparent you make it and with the website and 00:25:41
you know those statistics about how much money is spent in the city and. 00:25:47
You know, the average income, all of that is really helpful. 00:25:54
To me that that. 00:25:59
That's great, but I think. 00:26:01
You know the proof is in the pudding if they see other businesses thriving. 00:26:02
And can hear from other business owners that it's a great city to. 00:26:08
Do business and I think that's going to be the most helpful. 00:26:12
Stephanie, I wanted to see how much appreciative we are of you not only speaking tonight, but the Quill being part of Pacific 00:26:18
Grove, a business in our community. I have a quick question I always like to reverse when we see challenges such as staffing. You 00:26:25
spoke very eloquently about why people may not, may not, you know, join your workforce. Can you speak towards those who have 00:26:32
stayed and those who are, you know, your loyal employees we used to, why are they saying why are they? 00:26:40
Within those parameters, what's making them stay? What's what's, what's working? 00:26:48
I have two young girls that work for me. Both have other jobs. They just want, they're looking at, you know, hopefully buying 00:26:54
homes in the future and they just want some extra income. So that's why, you know, they've stayed. I have my mother works for me 00:27:03
so she she kind of by osmosis ends up being here all the time. And then my other employee works three days a week. She. 00:27:12
Is kind of in between. 00:27:22
Careers kind of figuring things out and just likes the environment We get a lot of. I mean, most of our customers are wonderful 00:27:25
and we have regulars that come in multiple times a week. So it's really, you get to know people and it's really a community feel. 00:27:30
It's not like. 00:27:36
It's not, as you know, it's not like a business where you may see one person, you never see them again. So, you know, they tell me 00:27:43
they like feeling like they're part of a team and feeling like they're part of the community. 00:27:50
Which, which I always you know. 00:27:57
I always strive to to do but it's you know it's just it's an odd time and I keep I'm I'm willing to raise pay if I need to to you 00:28:00
know keep people or attract new people. But it seems like no matter what I do it's just kind of there isn't there isn't a lot of 00:28:06
interest but I've heard that from everyone so I. 00:28:12
It's just kind of where we are now. 00:28:20
Commissioner McMurdo. 00:28:22
Yeah. This is actually a sort of an internal question because of what you just said, Chair Moreland. How about I add on to that 00:28:25
question, what are the main challenges your business is currently experiencing and what is working for the future? 00:28:31
OK. 00:28:39
Got it. Yes, Commissioner Richmond. 00:28:40
Yeah, I just wanted to also talk about that employee issues because I'm have, I'm of course having the same issues. It's it's hard 00:28:45
finding people. It's hard finding people with the right availability. 00:28:51
And actually something I've noticed is almost all of our employees that work for us. 00:28:58
Some of them are coming from Prunedale and Salinas and it's like I think a lot has to do with not being able to afford living in 00:29:04
PG. So there are less people right here. 00:29:09
And if you're working somewhere that's very community oriented, but you don't live in the community, it doesn't feel the same. So 00:29:16
I think if there were more people actually living, like able to live in town, that would be very helpful. Because I mean, if you 00:29:23
think about it, we really are a very retirement age kind of town. So there are less people looking for those kind of jobs. 00:29:29
So I think it really also has to do with just who is actually available and looking. So that might play a part as well. It's just 00:29:37
like the actual housing. Valid, Very valid, yeah. 00:29:42
Well, seeing no other hands raised again, Stephanie, thank you very much for speaking about tonight. Yeah, thank you for having 00:29:50
me. 00:29:53
Thank you. We'll move on now to item number 8. This is with Mr. Harvey, the business owner survey update. 00:29:57
Hi there. Thank you, Chair. Just very briefly, I'm sorry, forgive me for a moment. 00:30:05
Sorry, always fun when your dog decides to talk. And so we we are currently in the midst of the city of conducting the survey. You 00:30:13
may have heard about it. It involves. 00:30:19
The potential skate park locations and that is going to be open until the end of this month and so we're waiting for that to 00:30:25
finish. There will be some analysis once the survey closes up. 00:30:31
That we are going to wait for, particularly we're wanting to see. 00:30:39
The discerning between those who live in 93950, which is Pacific Grove, versus those who do not skate park survey of course, is 00:30:43
open to anyone, just as a potential skate park would be. But we're going to punch some numbers and. 00:30:50
Split the data up. Once that's finished, we should be able to probably in the. 00:30:58
January to February, Time Frame launched the EDC Business Owner Survey. It's going to go to all licensed business owners in 00:31:03
Pacific Grove. We have their e-mail address from the business license system. You have already as a body decided upon the 00:31:10
questions that you wish to ask them. It's in the agenda report. I'm going to be the chair is urging and I think it's a good idea 00:31:16
adding one more question to that survey and that relates to childcare. 00:31:23
Just seeing if childcare is a barrier or an issue, so that will be a fill in answer on that and. 00:31:31
That that's basically the update that I have. It's being run through Zen City which is our software provider. It's part of the 00:31:40
package that we get complimentary for them with our subscription. So I'll stop talking and let it go to public comment and 00:31:45
commissioner dialogue. Thank you. 00:31:50
Yeah, just wanted to add in that the childcare element he spoke of is what we've already approved upon. We already had the vote. 00:31:55
So it would be a way to combine those two elements to get the results back to the EDC to work upon that information sooner. That's 00:32:01
the the genesis of that. We'll open it up to public comment. Do we have any hands raised for public comment please? 00:32:07
I do not see any hands raised. 00:32:15
All right. Thank you very much. We'll open up to Commissioner comment and I see Secretary Zena first. 00:32:19
Sorry, I wanted to. 00:32:29
Since we are not launching that survey until next year and we have some time, I'm just curious hearing what we heard from 00:32:33
Stephanie about the challenge of. 00:32:38
Having more than five employees requiring a offering of 401K, I'm curious and and this might there might be other forums where 00:32:44
that question is being posed. And Jenny, I assume that you've been in touch with business leaders about that. But I'm my first 00:32:50
thought when I heard that from Stephanie was if this is something that a lot of businesses are struggling with. I wonder if there 00:32:57
is kind of a way that there can be some efficiencies where kind of businesses grouped together. So it didn't takes that. 00:33:03
And with that example of the 401K requirement being one potential to consider. 00:33:45
Do you have any other Commissioner discussion? I see Commissioner McMurdo raised your hand. Yeah, I just kind of wanted to respond 00:33:55
to that. That's it's it's state law starts January 1. It's a requirement and so. 00:34:02
Everyone has been inundated. If you have a small business with those emails that say, make sure that you sign up for Cal Savers or 00:34:11
you have a plan. 00:34:15
I don't know. Yes, it's probably one of the pieces of a challenge, but. 00:34:21
Besides going and talking to your legislators and advocating, which we did prior to it being being put on, put on the books, I 00:34:29
don't know. I don't know if it's something that we should add to the questionnaire or the survey. 00:34:37
I don't know, that's just my $0.02. 00:34:46
Secretary. 00:34:50
Yeah, I guess I was just thinking like, um. 00:34:52
From me, even just hearing what Stephanie had just mentioned, even if you're not going to contribute just like administratively 00:34:55
it's difficult. And if we knew that that kind of multiple businesses were facing that administrative challenge, if that could be 00:35:00
something that they. 00:35:04
Did you know like a kind of collaborative where that administrative portion was shared across kind of local partners that feel 00:35:10
like trusted local partners? And so I don't think that there is like a solution in terms of you know, it's a requirement, but more 00:35:16
just to say, hey, if you're in PG and you're a small business and this is administrative. 00:35:22
Like there's a community of businesses who? 00:35:29
Who just even like collegially. 00:35:32
Partner to alleviate some or share some of that admin burden. There may not be something that we could offer, but I think just 00:35:37
even being able to identify that there are these businesses who fall under that cusp of like 4:00 to 7:00 where they're either 00:35:44
just hitting that mark or right under it and nervous to hit that mark. I think could be helpful to pair those businesses together 00:35:52
to see if there is a way that kind of Better Together and making that administrative lift a little easier. 00:35:59
But anyway, so we, I don't feel strongly about it. It just that comment made that's where I thought of like if we're trying to 00:36:07
make Pacific Rd. more attractive and remove barriers even if it's not something we're directly offering, but just facilitating 00:36:13
some of businesses working together on that, I think that could be helpful. I'm don't feel like we need to add it, but it also 00:36:19
made me think do we want to revisit and finalize that set of questions after our January meeting once we'll hear from another 00:36:25
business and they may also raise. 00:36:30
Topics that we might want to consider soliciting from the broader group, but. 00:36:37
Again, don't feel strongly if people don't think it's maybe the appropriate forum for that sort of question. 00:36:42
Do we have any other Commissioner discussion? 00:36:49
All right. Thank you very much. We will now move on to item number 9. This is with Miss O'halloran and it's in regards to the 00:36:53
women and minority business owner grant status update. 00:36:58
Hi, good afternoon, Chair, EDC members and members of the public. I'm Laurel O'halloran with an update on the women and minority 00:37:05
owned business grant opportunity. 00:37:09
The program was launched November 21st of 2022 and will close on January 6th of 2023. 00:37:15
So far I've received 6 applic. 00:37:23
And anticipate more to come in soon. Staff plans to bring this item to the January 19th EDC meeting with a list of who has applied 00:37:26
and a scoring criteria. The EDC will need to form a subcommittee at this meeting to review the submittals and make a 00:37:31
recommendation. 00:37:37
At the February 9th, 2023 meeting for two applicants to receive the grant. 00:37:43
This recommendation will go to council and the subcommittee will bring the recommendation to the March City Council meeting for 00:37:48
decision. 00:37:52
That's my update. 00:37:56
And just wanted to mention in there. 00:37:59
Mr. Holly was right. I'm going to be out in January. So that's why she mentioned January 19th as a potential date for the review. 00:38:01
So we'll cover that later. But you did hear that right, January 19th as a potential sub for that. Thank you. We'll now move to 00:38:07
public comment. 00:38:13
I see no hands raised chair. 00:38:21
Thank you very much. We'll open it up to commissioner discussion. 00:38:24
The Commissioner McMurdo. 00:38:31
Not really discussion, just glad to hear that you've got, he said. Six applications thus far. That's great to hear. Good. 00:38:33
Any other discussion before we move on? 00:38:43
Thank you so much, Laurel. 00:38:47
Thank you. All right, we will now move on to. 00:38:49
Unfinished and ongoing business. 00:38:55
So I'm not seeing any of this. I think we'll jump to now a #11. 00:39:00
So we have the budget update, and this is with Mr. Harvey. 00:39:05
Thank you, Chair. 00:39:10
For your consideration this evening. 00:39:12
You have. 00:39:16
1313 thousand dollars remaining. 00:39:18
To program, you've already earmarked $20,000 for the Women in Minority Business Grant. As you just heard. You earmarked another 00:39:22
5000 to help. 00:39:28
With the Internet advertising, for lack of a better term, I'm using the wrong words. I know Vice Chair Upman for the Pick PG site, 00:39:35
but that leaves you with 13 grand that you have at your disposal. How exciting. 00:39:41
There are lots of options for for you to consider you you heard at your last meeting. 00:39:48
You know a report from HDLE Consolutions as to as to some suggestions. 00:39:54
Since the time that this item was on your agenda, Miss O'haller and I met with local radio station KRML. 00:40:01
And they are very interested in trying to partner with the EDC in some type of concert. 00:40:10
The thought being that if the concert is well received, perhaps it could lead to a future concert series or other concerts. 00:40:17
You may ask what would KRML? 00:40:27
Contribution be what would be in promoting the concert, of course on the airwaves and through their network. 00:40:30
They indicated that for a contribution from the EDC of five to $10,000, that would likely take care of artist fees. 00:40:37
The need to rent a facility. 00:40:47
And the associated fees with that? 00:40:51
They indicated that from their experience, the best. 00:40:53
Group of artists to tap into or you know for them, our course of the format for their radio station, which is kind of a 00:40:57
rock'n'roll pop singer-songwriter type format. 00:41:02
They always suggest. 00:41:08
Try to go for an artist that either has an album out or is on tour. 00:41:10
Because they tend to have the support of their label to help with things, and if the Commission decides to do that, they stand 00:41:14
ready to jump in right away and see what artists might be possible and. 00:41:20
Look at a date. 00:41:27
Venues that could be possible. Chautauqua Hall. 00:41:29
That's near the downtown. You would have to, you know, rent some Porta potty facilities for that to be used, but for the right 00:41:33
act, it could be a perfect venue. 00:41:38
What we're recommending with this agenda item is to appoint a subcommittee. 00:41:44
Two people have that subcommittee meet between now and January and come back with some recommendations on how to program that 00:41:49
money. 00:41:53
That is the end of my report. 00:41:57
Thank you very. 00:41:59
Mr. Harvey, do you mind mentioning, because I know it was an important aspect before we go and for public comment, was that this 00:42:02
was. 00:42:05
Had influence from City Council. It was one of their goals of City Council how to do the arts. Would you mind speaking towards 00:42:10
other things that would be helpful? Sure. Chair one of the City Council goals and I'm gonna state it incorrectly, but it's helped 00:42:15
help the local business economy recover and or thrive. I can't remember which phrase we used exactly. A corresponding tactic of 00:42:21
that was to create a music. 00:42:27
Series. And so while a concert is certainly not a music series, you know, it'd be a way to really see if there's interest and 00:42:34
enthusiasm and if the community would would receive it well so that we could know if that was something we should pursue further. 00:42:40
So that thank you for that question. 00:42:45
Thank you very much. We'll now move to public comments, so please click Raise your hand on The Zoom if you'd like to speak from 00:42:52
the public. 00:42:55
And I do see Andrew has raised his hand. So welcome back, Andrew. 00:43:01
You have the floor. 00:43:06
And Andrew, if you're speaking, you know we do have you. OK. Thank you. I begin to hear you now. Thank you, Andrew. OK, thank you 00:43:13
very much, Chair. And thank you, Mr. Harvey for the presentation. 00:43:17
The When I read this item here, I wasn't sure what. 00:43:23
First of all, I think it's a great idea that we have some type of festival with artists. I think that's wonderful. I think using 00:43:29
Chautauqua Hall is wonderful. 00:43:32
Stockholm seems to me to be a wonderful city asset that needs needs to be repaired, needs additional work. 00:43:37
And it it would then shine and we could use it for the group there for the city. 00:43:44
One of the items that I noticed here was the Porta potties and I'm not sure why we would be using Porta potties. 00:43:51
I didn't know if that was because the bathrooms right now are not functional or need work or. 00:43:58
If the this was in addition to the current bathrooms that are there and that's what brought my thoughts up and that's why I didn't 00:44:04
know if it came up front, public comment or here. 00:44:09
But right now I believe. 00:44:15
We have a. Let's see if I can get it here. 00:44:19
Chautauqua Hall has a capital improvement of $27,000 to fix the bathrooms. 00:44:23
And what they're supposed to be doing for that, for that bathroom, is redoing the floor and fixing some of the drywalls. 00:44:29
And you know, I don't know how old the bathrooms are. I haven't been over there for a while. I. 00:44:36
And. 00:44:41
The several things I've seen in other cities and and San Francisco. I was up there one time and. 00:44:42
They've gone to unisex bathrooms and maybe we need to do that for this particular bathroom instead of just redoing it. 00:44:50
And that would allow for more bathrooms being used and they put a sink outside the the stalls. 00:44:56
And you know, we can convert the two bathrooms we have there to, you know, multiple stalls with a sink outside and then that's 00:45:02
enclosed. 00:45:05
And I didn't realize you were going to use that money to hire. I thought maybe the EDC would be willing to throw in 13 K to go in 00:45:10
with the 27 Ki. Don't know how much it would cost to do what I'm suggesting. 00:45:16
But I I think trying to fix up Chautauqua Hall. 00:45:23
Would be a great idea. 00:45:27
And it would help the community. Umm. 00:45:29
And I'm just throwing it out there more than anything else. And if I lost my picture, I apologize. My computer does weird things 00:45:32
sometimes when it takes my picture away. 00:45:36
But yes, I think you should have do something with the having that as a venue. 00:45:41
It could be used for multiple types, not just this one particular. 00:45:47
Trial singing event. 00:45:51
So with that, I'll be quiet. Thank you. 00:45:55
Thank you very much. Do we have any additional public comment? 00:45:58
I see no hands raised. 00:46:03
Thank you very much. I see Commissioner Richmond and then Commissioner Mark Woods after. 00:46:04
Yes. Well, first, Andrew, thank you for mentioning that because that does seem like a very important aspect that we might need to 00:46:09
be looking at in side by side with this new idea. 00:46:15
I just what Stephanie said in the beginning. It is so dead. 00:46:21
You know, at night, like once the sun goes down, it's like there's nobody walking around. So this is definitely a really 00:46:25
incredible idea that will kick up. A lot of people like that are normally just going home. It's dark, there's nothing to do. So I 00:46:30
think that's a really good thing, especially for Pacific Grove's. 00:46:36
There's not much going on in Monterey either, but especially at night, there's a lot less even in Pacific Grove. 00:46:43
And then also there's so many incredible local bands, so I would hope that they would also kind of look into them because not all 00:46:48
of them are touring necessarily or have a new album out, but we really do have a lot of great locals. 00:46:55
And then lastly, I am curious, I'm not sure if this is something that's even been thought of because we're not at that step yet. 00:47:03
But I would hope that if we did have this concert series, whether it's the first time or like if we continue it, that there might 00:47:09
be food and drink vendors. I'm not sure if that is something that can happen in that specific space because I haven't been there 00:47:15
myself, but I can't really imagine going to a concert without being able to get something to drink or to snack on or something. So 00:47:21
I just want to know if. 00:47:27
That has been part of the conversation with that space or um. 00:47:34
Just in general, if that details even been thought of, so yeah, thank you. 00:47:39
Commissioner Markowitz. 00:47:45
Yeah, I think we've lost focus here. This particular agenda item says how are we going to spend $13,000 that's remaining to us. 00:47:47
And all I've heard is about let's have a concert, let's do this, let's have our EDC get together. No, I love the idea of forming A 00:47:54
subcommittee. I love the ideas that are written down here that are much more feasible. 00:48:00
Signage symbols on the Rec Trail to let people know where downtown Pacific Grove is a bicycle app to lead bicyclists to. 00:48:08
Come to Pacific Grove and do their businesses. Uh proposed Arts district among I think a subcommittee needs to do this. 00:48:16
The music's a wonderful idea, but it's. 00:48:23
I hate to put this out there. It's a can of worms. And REDC, we have a lot on our plate. We're talking about doing money and all 00:48:26
these things going and now all of a sudden. 00:48:31
For some reason I understand the suggestion is very valid, but all of a sudden are we getting into promoting business and we're 00:48:37
trying to find local? 00:48:40
That's not what this is about. Let's form a subcommittee and take a look at how to spend the rest of the money in something that's 00:48:44
going to benefit the entire city. That's not going to take bring somebody in to spend all this money and bring groups in and go 00:48:49
through the list of who's going to do what. Let's take a look at some of the things that we can do very simply for the $13,000 we 00:48:55
have left. 00:49:00
Thank you. 00:49:06
Thank you. We'll go to Commissioner McMurdo and then following Ladue. Commissioner Richmond, please. 00:49:07
Great. Thank you, Chair Morlam, because I'm on the Arts District subcommittee with Ariel, She's looking at me like we're going to 00:49:12
ask for money. 00:49:18
I obviously they they have asked and once we have a formalized plan in place which we're hoping to do by the January meeting so 00:49:25
that we can actually show you costs for some of the items that we're we're looking at. I definitely want to be able to throw. 00:49:34
Some of that for from this fiscal year's budget and then also look at the next fiscal year as well for for the arts district 00:49:43
subcommittee because they're just getting going. I did want to mention that you no one knows this, but the chamber is actually 00:49:51
proposing and in fact our applications are into the rec board currently for a music series. 00:49:59
July, August and September it would be on a Fridays. We originally thought rocking the jewel the Jewel park right next to where it 00:50:09
was, but we're also considering Point the. 00:50:14
Lovers point rock on the point as well as an alternative. Those applications are currently into the rec board for consideration. 00:50:20
So just so you know, music is definitely. 00:50:25
We're working on it in that. 00:50:31
In that Ave. So thank you. 00:50:34
And because it's specifically about that, Commissioner Richmond, if you wouldn't mind just have a quick question for Mr. Harvey, 00:50:38
would you mind speaking to commissions ever partner with other? 00:50:43
Boards and things like that, that we have the city as commissioner, McMurdo said. There's another record potentially working on do 00:50:49
they team together? What is the protocol or something like that? Would that be possible? 00:50:53
Sure the the $38,000 is yours to recommend for programming. 00:50:59
So there aren't constraints as to how you do that, and we'd be happy to take whatever direction. 00:51:05
The subcommittee. If you decide to form a subcommittee, you know I'd be happy to work with the subcommittee. Laurel would be happy 00:51:11
to to firm up some suggestions for the January meeting, whatever they may be. 00:51:17
Thank you, Thank you, Commissioner Richmond, thank you. You're up. 00:51:25
Yeah, I just want to follow up. 00:51:29
Because to me. 00:51:32
This, this idea here definitely does develop the economy a bit, which is to me what we're doing here. 00:51:33
Because I've been to so many different places where they have, whether it's weekly or monthly, you know, concerts in these little 00:51:42
small towns and all of the businesses within within walking distance really like, benefit from that. Because people are walking in 00:51:48
and out as they they hang out the concert, then they go get ice cream, then they go get a pizza, then they backwards apparently, 00:51:54
because normally do the other way. But then you might go shopping like it's definitely just a big community vibe and you might be 00:52:00
meeting even more people. 00:52:05
Within your community. So to me, the concert series absolutely makes sense for us to. 00:52:12
Put our money towards. So I just want to make sure that it's clear that it's not just that we're listening to music, it's that 00:52:18
we're creating more life. 00:52:21
During maybe a time in the in the day, that doesn't usually get quite a lot of life. And that would help out a lot of people like 00:52:26
Stephanie, who she might not stay open normally once the sun goes down. But if there's a concert series going on, she knows she's 00:52:32
going to get a lot of people walking in the doors. So I think that'd be really helpful for her and a lot of other people. 00:52:38
Commissioner Markowitz and then Secretary Zena, please. Yeah, I'm going to go back to the fact that and and Jenny, you had said 00:52:46
about the Arts Council getting together talking about, I think that's the appropriate venue to do that and I think what? 00:52:52
Our Commission should be doing is the subcommittee and as part of a subcommittee investigation is talking to Jenny. Let's take a 00:52:59
look at this. Let's take a look at that. 00:53:04
I think we will be. 00:53:09
By for some reason, by talking about this music thing, we're getting short trip to bicyclists and signage and things that we can 00:53:11
actually spend money on now and get that doing and do some action. If we're talking about a concert series, we're talking months 00:53:17
and months and months down the line. 00:53:22
Because it's not going to be. I'm looking at people on the Commission. 00:53:28
We're not music promoters, that's we're trying to bring stuff in here and we're being asked to take a look at economic. 00:53:32
The situation in Pacific growth and let's do it in an orderly fashion. 00:53:40
We have a committee here. 00:53:44
It's recommended we do a subcommittee and take a look at some great ideas. This is not eliminating music. 00:53:45
But what I'm suggesting is we put this in the proper order and go to the proper venues, Jenny's group, the Arts Council, to come 00:53:50
up with ideas and after January 19th. 00:53:56
Then we can revisit because we'll also at that time have recommendations on how to spend the rest of our paltry funding. 00:54:01
Thank you. 00:54:08
Secretary Zena. 00:54:10
Yeah. So on a similar note to to Commissioner Mark Woods, I was just going to say. 00:54:13
We can continue the discussion now, or we could file a motion to create a subcommittee to review the options. 00:54:21
Including a concert together with KRMC, including coordination with the Arts District Subcommittee and also reviewing the 00:54:28
recommendations made to us in our November meeting meeting and to come in January with a recommendation. 00:54:37
Considering all of those options, I. 00:54:47
That would be my emotion. 00:54:50
Do I have a second of that motion Second? 00:54:55
All right. Can I get a roll call vote please? 00:54:59
Excuse me, Chair, who would be on the subcommittee? 00:55:03
I will vote. I would like to be on that subcommittee. I'm just tossing that out right now. 00:55:08
Do we have any other willing participants of the subcommittee? 00:55:14
I apologize, the reason I am not volunteering is I'm just traveling so much and I'm doing the arts committee subcommittee so it's 00:55:24
I feel over committed beyond that but happy to coordinate with. 00:55:29
Where the arts subcommittee lands, but don't think I can dedicated to being on this subcommittee. 00:55:36
Commissioner McMurdo, are you raising your hand? 00:55:41
Sorry. Go ahead. Oh, no, sorry. Oh, I have my I I will raise my hand to be on that subcommittee as well if unless there's someone 00:55:44
else who would like to be on it. 00:55:49
I'm happy to join that subcommittee as well. So we have three people. So it would be Chair More alone, Commissioner McMurdo and 00:55:58
Commissioner Markowitz would be the subcommittee. So with that in mind that I think that gives us a full motion that was second if 00:56:03
we could do a roll call with that in mind. 00:56:09
The only. Sorry, I'm pausing for a moment. Chair, can we have a subcommittee with three? 00:56:16
You're you're going to be at a quorum there, right? So you're going to need a subcommittee of two. I'm happy to bow out. So it 00:56:22
would be a commissioner back Murdo and Commissioner Mark Woods. 00:56:28
Very good. So I can. 00:56:34
I think we have a motion on the table. I can take the roll call if you like. 00:56:36
Please OK, Commissioner Markowitz Aye. Chair Moreland. Vice Chair Upman Aye. 00:56:39
Secretary Zena. 00:56:47
Aye, Commissioner Richmond. 00:56:49
Aye, motion passes 50. Thank you. 00:56:54
All right. We will move on to our final item, item number 12. 00:57:00
So this is. 00:57:05
With that in context. 00:57:39
One of the items ideas I wanted to present would be when you're coming into Pacific Grove, we have a high traffic area. This is at 00:57:42
the area of Ocean View Blvd. and early. This is near the ATC project if people know where that is that. 00:57:50
We would want to be able to promote the many different businesses. We have a business that have popped up recently. We have ones 00:57:59
that are well established that if you're coming to Pacific Grove, we're able to show you the wide variety of different businesses 00:58:05
we have where they're located to provide a permanent spot. 00:58:10
Would provide something of this caliber. 00:59:34
And with that in mind, I'm going to go and stop my screen and open it up to public comment. 00:59:37
I see no hands raised chair. 00:59:46
Thank you very much. We'll open up to Commissioner discussion and I see Secretary Zena. 00:59:48
Selfishly, not knowing how much we're going to, we're going to request for the Arts District and and. 01:00:23
Wondering you know, whether we want to say yes to something when we know that we have. 01:00:30
In addition to this. 01:00:34
Potential five to $10,000 concert series, our arts district and all of the recommendations we heard last month. It just feels like 01:00:36
maybe we want to consider those all together. 01:00:41
I completely agree and I would. 01:00:47
Would would enjoy the the subcommittee looking at this in context exactly what you said because there's a lot of great ideas that 01:00:49
I think the subcommittee would be a great body to consider that maybe prioritize and then come back but I completely agree with 01:00:55
that sentiment and commissioner Richmond. 01:01:02
Well, I completely agree with Secretary Zena on that one because I was actually going to ask like. 01:01:09
What other things might be in the that we're like thinking about here? Because it's hard to answer something without knowing a 01:01:15
bigger picture, what options there are, but also just on that specific subject. 01:01:20
I do worry that that might not be. 01:01:27
Think about other things as well. 01:02:01
Do we have any other Commissioner discussion? 01:02:04
So, Mr. Harvey, I'm going to ask for guidance on this. Do we need to make a motion for this item to ask the subcommittee to 01:02:09
consider this among the many other items that they are considering for the previous item or is? 01:02:16
Do we need to, we need to vote on that or not, I guess is my question? 01:02:23
I mean, it doesn't to vote on it. I think you've got your two subcommittee members here who heard the direction. So I I would 01:02:27
suggest that. 01:02:31
I think you're fine, Laurel and I can help make sure if that gets lost, but it's pretty clear that that needs to be added to the 01:02:36
mix and it all goes together, so I think you're good. 01:02:41
Thank you very much. 01:02:47
And and then the only other thing is I just wanted to so so that is going to close out that item and then the only other thing was 01:02:50
the next meeting date itself. We are looking at January 19th, so typically we have the 2nd Thursday looking at to push that to the 01:02:59
third Thursday. So that would be January 19th. If you could, wouldn't mind putting that onto your calendar same time. 01:03:08
But the January 19th and do we need to is this a hybrid at that point do we need, are we switching over to Mr. Harvey? 01:03:18
No chair, because the the governor is expected to weigh in in February. You may still conduct it as a virtual meeting. 01:03:27
So in February, we're we're likely going to see a change in state law. 01:03:37
OK, so then it will be a virtual meeting same time, but on the 19th, Secretary Zena? 01:03:41
I generally just because the number of us are having our. 01:03:47
Our seats in this Commission expire and before the kind of re application period, I was wondering if we could get a little bit of 01:03:53
line of sight to the. 01:03:58
Expectation for 2023 around in person Zoom. I will just say I would love to participate next year. I travel so much that I worry 01:04:05
that if I was in person only my participation would make it so that was potentially not tenable. 01:04:13
So just wanted to gauge, I know hearing what you just said around the February comment from the governor, it seems like there's 01:04:22
still ambiguity, but if you could give some direction of what you think things will land, I think that would be really helpful for 01:04:29
those commissioners who are considering their continuation or applying for their continuation next year. 01:04:35
Chair, would you like me to take that? OK, my crystal ball is broken, but I mean, I, you know, I I think. 01:04:44
I bet it'll be a hybrid continuation. Basically we'll just be required to have every single meeting be hybrid. What remains 01:04:51
unclear to me a little bit is whether. 01:04:56
Board members. 01:05:02
Will always be able to participate. 01:05:03
Remotely. That is not as clear to me. 01:05:06
So once we have a little better idea and our city attorney is also involved in this week, we can share that but. 01:05:09
That's what I think right now. Sorry, it's not really good. 01:05:16
Thank you. 01:05:21
If I may, yes, Commissioner Markowitz. Yeah, one thing, Jenny, for some reason I'm just letting you know I don't have either your 01:05:22
e-mail or your phone number, so we could do that because we got to be in touch on this. 01:05:28
Yeah. Actually I was just looking through my e-mail to find your e-mail and I didn't have it. So either Laurel or Ben, could you 01:05:34
guys help connect the two of us? Thank you guys. Thank you very much. 01:05:40
All right. Well, that then adjourns today's meeting and I will see everyone at January 19th at 4:00 PM on Zoom. Thank you all very 01:05:47
much. Have a good evening. 01:05:51
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