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All right. I'd like to call the Wednesday, February 28th to 2024. 00:00:17
Of the Historic Resources Committee to order. 00:00:23
And may we begin with A roll call, please? 00:00:27
Chair Anton. Present. 00:00:31
Vice chair steers. 00:00:33
Member Green. 00:00:36
Remember Gran? 00:00:38
Remember Bickett? 00:00:40
All Members are present. We have. 00:00:43
Thank you. 00:00:45
The first item of business is the election of officers. 00:00:46
Which is always a little awkward. 00:00:51
But. 00:00:54
So first, I will accept nominations for chair for the following year. 00:00:56
Do we have? 00:01:01
I'd like to nominate Chair Anton. 00:01:02
Thank you second. 00:01:06
Thank you. 00:01:09
Do we need a roll call foot for this? 00:01:10
One of. 00:01:16
Member Gran. 00:01:21
Yes, Vice Chair steers. Yes. 00:01:23
Remember Bickett? 00:01:27
Chair Anton. 00:01:29
Yes. 00:01:30
We have 5 ayes, 0 nays. 00:01:34
Motion passes. 00:01:36
Thank you. Do we have nominations for a vice chair? 00:01:38
I nominate Rick Steers. 00:01:45
I'll second. 00:01:48
The others and we have a roll call. 00:01:51
Member Grannis. 00:01:55
Yes, Chair Anton. 00:01:57
Yes. 00:02:00
Vice chair steers. 00:02:02
Remember Greening? 00:02:05
Member Bickett yes. 00:02:07
Motion passes, Five Eyes, 0 nays. Rick Steers is vice chair. 00:02:09
And now the fun one. Do we have nominations for secretary? 00:02:16
Including staff take care of it as we have been. 00:02:25
If if that's OK, is a good solution. 00:02:29
Hearing no nominations. 00:02:36
Yes, staff will take care of it. 00:02:39
All right. We'll take care of it, OK? 00:02:41
All right. Thank you. 00:02:43
All right. May we will move to item two. May we have. 00:02:45
Vote for approval of the. 00:02:51
I mean a. 00:02:53
Motion. 00:02:55
So moved. Thank you. 00:02:58
I'll second. 00:03:00
So it was moved by. 00:03:03
Steers seconded by greening. 00:03:05
May we have a roll call, please? Vice Chair Ste. 00:03:08
I remember greening. 00:03:12
Remember. 00:03:16
Yes. Remember Bickett? 00:03:18
Chair. 00:03:21
Aye 5 aye's zero nays, motion passes. 00:03:23
Thank you. All right, we'll move to committee and staff announcements. 00:03:28
I'll start with committee announcement. Just. 00:03:34
Future. 00:03:37
Because of the complications with both Thanksgiving and Christmas, just like this last year. 00:03:39
We're going to have the meetings a week early. 00:03:45
So if you want to, I mean we'll remind you later, but the November meeting will be on the 20th of November. 00:03:48
At 1:00. 00:03:54
And the December meeting will be on the 18th. 00:03:57
Also at 1:00. 00:04:01
And do we have staff announcements? 00:04:09
We do have some couple announcements. 00:04:16
We're excited to share that. 00:04:19
The Comprehensive Building Assessment Report for the Chicago Hall is now complete. 00:04:22
The City of Pacific Grove contracted. 00:04:27
With. 00:04:31
Elsner Associates to conduct this vital assessment as part of the city's capital improvement plan, aiming to provide valuable 00:04:33
insights for maintenance and future enhancements, including potential interior improvements. 00:04:40
This assessment is available on the city's web page. 00:04:47
Thank you. 00:04:52
Anything else? 00:04:54
Thank you, Chair Anton, Karen Vaughn, Community Development Director. I just wanted to mention a few things. First of all, there 00:05:02
is a scheduled City Council budget meeting here in the chambers starting at 6:00. 00:05:09
So I wanted to make sure that we were all cognizant of the time tonight. 00:05:17
And then also at a recent City Council meeting, the city attorney's office advised. 00:05:21
That roll call votes are not required for every item you. Typically A roll call vote is needed when one or more members are 00:05:28
participating remotely. 00:05:33
So that we can accurately record each vote. But when all the members of a border committee are here and in person, you don't need 00:05:39
to conduct a roll call vote for each item. So I will leave it up to you Chair Anton how you want to continue with that or not, but 00:05:46
just wanted to advise that it's not necessary. 00:05:52
Thank you. 00:06:00
Where next we would invite our mayor to come our council liaison? Thank you for being here. 00:06:08
Heard a recommendation on parklets and endorsed extending a sidewalk out over the parking area for parklets to be built or 00:06:26
rebuilt. 00:06:33
Councillor approved a first read of an ordinance reducing the your committee to five people. 00:06:42
Yeah, By the way, I had another committee just tell me, oh, we want to go to five. 00:06:51
We heard an update on the the housing element. 00:06:57
And a mid year budget. 00:07:01
And then tonight, as you just heard, we have a council meeting starting at 6:00. We'll be hearing about the status of goals as 00:07:05
well as a budget workshop. 00:07:12
And then next week, the main item will be the California Voting Rights Act. And as you may know, there's. 00:07:19
Been a person that has requested. 00:07:31
The city to move into to do. 00:07:37
District voting. 00:07:40
And so we're going to be. 00:07:41
About that process and. 00:07:43
Potential impacts. 00:07:48
And we'll be talking about city manager recruiting in closed session. 00:07:50
That's all. 00:07:55
Thank you for coming. 00:07:56
I. 00:07:59
All right. I'm going to open now to general public comment. 00:08:03
And this general public comment must deal with matters that are subject to the jurisdiction of the city and to this committee. 00:08:08
And for items that are not on the regular. 00:08:16
And our general allowances for three minutes, so I'll open first to public comment from anybody that's present. 00:08:19
Anybody like to speak, please come. 00:08:27
Seeing none, do we have anybody in our virtual audience? 00:08:32
I'll allow Engle, Lawrence and Dahmer to speak. 00:08:38
Thank you very much. 00:08:44
As of right now, and since the beginning of this meeting, you are all. 00:08:47
Zoom participants in the great Ethernet because there's no camera in the chambers. That's on all we have seen. 00:08:52
This is City Sale. Thank you. Lo and behold, you're here. Good to see you. 00:09:00
Thank you very much. That's kind of an important. 00:09:07
Aspect of these meetings. Thank you very much. 00:09:11
All right. The next speaker will be Anthony. 00:09:34
Good afternoon. 00:09:39
I've attended a few of these meetings over the last several years, and one. 00:09:42
Common denominators has been. 00:09:47
Notion. 00:09:50
Changes to property overtime. 00:09:52
And. 00:09:56
One of the classic ones is the concern about. 00:09:57
Porches that get filled in or glassed in become sun porches. 00:10:01
Out of the weather porches or maybe bedrooms? 00:10:06
New. 00:10:09
Other ones are. 00:10:12
The property may have been built in one year and then. 00:10:15
Ten years later, an addition was made or an alteration. 00:10:19
Maybe even 20 years. 00:10:22
And it's been my observation. 00:10:25
All over California, where I've. 00:10:27
And even in Colorado. 00:10:30
That changes to buildings does not necessarily. 00:10:32
Reduce their. 00:10:37
Architectural or historical importance? 00:10:39
An example that I can think of is tent. 00:10:42
Like Coronado, La Jolla L. 00:10:46
Even. 00:10:50
Overtime got. 00:10:52
To simple cottages where the tents. 00:10:54
The cloth tents. 00:10:58
Covered with boards and boards and patents. 00:11:01
Shingles and sometimes the fabrics left. 00:11:04
Side the build. 00:11:06
That didn't reduce the integrity of those. 00:11:08
Of the property or the Oracle significance? 00:11:11
And that's been proven by. 00:11:16
Designations. 00:11:17
A Cellamar is a good example. It was built. 00:11:20
1913 and 1928. 00:11:23
Got design. 00:11:27
On a national. 00:11:29
And in 2028, years later, Carl Warneke added seven buildings. 00:11:31
In. 00:11:37
2022 Those seven buildings were added to the National Register. 00:11:40
So. 00:11:45
Necessarily cause the architecture to be frozen in time. 00:11:49
Or the history to be frozen in time? 00:11:54
And I think it's important to keep that in mind. 00:11:57
When we're. 00:12:00
Potential. 00:12:01
And other proper. 00:12:04
As you go through your agendas. 00:12:06
Thank you very much. 00:12:09
I see. I see no other hands raised. 00:12:19
All right. 00:12:22
Let's move on to the consent agenda, which only contains one item, the Minutes. 00:12:24
We have a motion to approve. 00:12:31
So moved. Thank you. 00:12:34
Steers moved, pickets seconded. All in favor. Say aye, aye. 00:12:37
All right, that passed by 50. 00:12:46
Is that how you want me to? 00:12:49
OK. 00:12:51
Have to retrain. 00:12:54
All right. We're on now to the regular agenda. It will begin with item 8A. 00:12:56
Architectural permit and coastal development permit for 107 14th St. 00:13:02
We do have an. 00:13:10
Oh, that's right. We have two people that need to recuse Thank you for. 00:13:12
Reminding me of that. 00:13:15
Just for the audience that if you live within a. 00:13:21
Distance of a project, which they do, they must. 00:13:24
So, Mr. Cedar, I don't know if you want to speak to this, but we know that there is an issue with. 00:13:36
The. 00:13:42
Both the notification. 00:13:45
Or the notice that was posted. 00:13:47
And whether what? We don't know what happened to it and we also have an issue with. 00:13:50
Sort of the timeline of the story polls being erected. 00:13:56
So I know for first. 00:13:59
I went out on Saturday to take a look at the property and I saw no notice. 00:14:02
And I. 00:14:07
Polls, but I there was number netting or anything. 00:14:09
And so. 00:14:13
Kind of feel for me that that that would be difficult to really. 00:14:14
Check into this project with without all the information that I would need. 00:14:19
And I'm not sure if that was the case with. 00:14:24
Co members. 00:14:27
Yes, I felt the same way and I do think that. 00:14:30
Isn't it actually written down that that has to be done? 00:14:33
So those are the rules. 00:14:37
Yes. Would you like it or not? 00:14:40
That's how it's always been. 00:14:43
Right, so my inclination on this. 00:14:46
Address is to continue the project until next month and give time for proper notification and to. 00:14:50
Well, the polls are up now, but they were not up, you know, in the timely manner. 00:14:58
So we are a committee of three, but I think. 00:15:04
And we have a motion to continue this item to next meeting. Yeah, I'll move that. We continue it to next meeting. 00:15:11
I second it. 00:15:18
And if we all vote yes? 00:15:20
Would you like to speak first? 00:15:25
I just wanted to ask if you would like to allow public comment on the continuance. 00:15:28
On the motion to continue or. 00:15:35
Or not, I'm happy to allow public. 00:15:38
Just come. 00:15:46
We haven't voted. 00:15:48
Good afternoon, committee members. My name is John Moore, the building designer on the project, and we'd like to have it continued 00:15:52
anyway. But I'd just like to say that we received a notice on the 16th. 00:15:57
Of February that there will be hearing today and typically most people use Steve Babcock for flagpole and takes you know anywhere 00:16:03
from. 00:16:07
Two to four weeks depending on his timing. So when we received that we had about. 00:16:12
Two days to get the flagging up so the owner himself. 00:16:16
And we had to do it. The owner had to do it. Thank you. All right. Thank you for. 00:16:46
Is there other public? 00:16:51
Virtual public comment. 00:16:54
The next speaker will be Anthony Cian. 00:16:57
Thank you very much. 00:17:03
I agree with the timing was sort of strange about the. 00:17:06
Story polls and the netting and I would just ask the. 00:17:12
Or the the board to ask the applicant. 00:17:17
To put the netting across. 00:17:20
For the. 00:17:22
So the. 00:17:24
That I've. 00:17:25
It kind of depicts the hips of the new addition. 00:17:27
But I think it's important to have those who. 00:17:31
Lines drawn by the netting to get sort of a forward picture. 00:17:37
Of the volume of the building. Thank you. 00:17:42
Thank you. 00:17:47
That it. 00:17:52
I see no other hands raised. All right, I'll close public comments and bring it back here for a vote. 00:17:58
So all in favor of continuing this until next month? 00:18:05
Say aye. 00:18:10
All right. All right. That's a three. 00:18:11
Thank you. I'm sorry. 00:18:16
Things. 00:18:19
OK, the next. 00:18:21
Is for 625 Joule and this time I have to recuse myself. 00:18:23
And so vice. 00:18:29
Steers will take. 00:18:32
Yes. 00:18:35
OK, 625 Jou. 00:18:58
We have a staff report. 00:19:02
We do. 00:19:05
Hi. 00:19:08
Stevie or steers, this is Aaron Campbell. I'm doing this remotely from home. I appreciate appreciate you letting me do this. I'm 00:19:10
going to share my screen. I have. 00:19:16
PowerPoint I'd like to show, Can everybody see? 00:19:24
Said yes. No, no. OK, hold on a second. 00:19:30
Make sure. 00:19:36
Is that better? 00:19:56
Can everyone see this? 00:20:01
Window showing the participants that smack in the middle of this, we still can't see it very well. 00:20:03
But it's up on my end. Is that good? 00:20:09
OK. 00:20:12
I'll be presenting 625 Jewell Ave. and good afternoon members of the of the Historic Resources Committee. 00:20:15
And and Vice Chair steers, thank you, this is for historic preservation permit architectural permit application #23-0252. 00:20:22
Understand today has been a big question about posting and story polls and I just want to give a clarification on this particular 00:20:29
project. 00:20:35
Notice the public hearing did go out. It was posted on February 16th, 2024 and the mailers went out on February 16th, 2024. And 00:20:43
those mailers that go out, they went out. It was a 300 foot radius. 00:20:50
As to the the story poll part of our policies, in these rare cases where the size or position of the proposed project renders the 00:20:59
story polls infeasible, they can seek relief. Applicants can seek relief or alternatives in this particular case. 00:21:07
As you will see as we move on down the line with this. 00:21:17
With this project. 00:21:21
They're they're seeking relief from some side yard setbacks and some front yard setbacks. 00:21:24
In this particular case. 00:21:30
So the neighbor on the east side was notified recently that their fence was on the project site, so it was within the yard. So it. 00:21:33
Narrowed the amount of space that was allowed to be put up or would would give you room to put up story polls so you you can seek 00:21:44
alternatives this this. 00:21:50
Particular project we did run a newspaper ad in the weekly on Thursday, February 15th. So we believe, we feel that it meets the 00:21:56
policy and and of the of the of what's an exception or alternative for this story. 00:22:05
The site description There are a couple things I want to make a correction of on my project report this has. 00:22:17
Unless we've had. 00:22:25
It says 774 square foot. 00:22:27
Of residents in this, that's a gross floor area. On re reviewing this, our gross floor area typically does alleviate or remove 00:22:31
basements from gross floor area except for spaces that. 00:22:38
Uh, two feet and above grade while this is still a basement because it's. 00:22:47
Because it is a non habitable and it's below grade, it does count toward gross floor area. So it's not 774 square feet of of gross 00:22:53
floor area, it's 1548 square feet of gross floor area. So I apologize for that area error. I just wanted to make that correction. 00:23:02
So the subject property site is a 1870 square foot. 00:23:12
And it is zoned R3 PGR. 00:23:16
The sites developed with a legally non conforming 1548 square foot single. 00:23:21
One story. Single family. 00:23:27
The legal non conformities include overages of site coverage, front, side and rear setbacks. 00:23:29
The property is listed on Historic Resources Inventory and the Archaeological Zone and in an area of special biological 00:23:35
significance. 00:23:38
The property is in the coastal zone and where staff has determined the project to be exempt from coastal development permit per 00:23:42
PGMC to 3.90.040. 00:23:47
And as a note for the archaeological zone, the permit is conditioned for inadvertent discovery. 00:23:54
The proposed project is to replace an existing rear addition with a new addition to the rear and east elevations. 00:24:02
Proposed addition will expand the existing kitchen and provide a staircase interior circulation to the basement. 00:24:10
Exterior modifications to the front and the north elevation include the remodel and reconfiguration of the front porch, and it's 00:24:17
moving one Bay window further forward into. 00:24:22
The front yard. 00:24:27
And here are the images from. 00:24:32
From the plans. 00:24:35
So a historic preservation permit per PGMC 3.76.060. 00:24:39
It's giving an exception to zoning district regulations for buildings listed on the Historic Resources Inventory when such 00:24:45
exception is necessary for the preservation, restoration or the improvements. 00:24:50
Of those buildings or those historic resources. 00:24:56
The applicant is requesting relief from the projection of roof eaves no closer to 3 feet to the property line. It is allowed. 00:25:00
One foot, ten and three quarter inches for the east elevation is proposed. 2 feet, 3 1/2 inches for the West elevation is 00:25:08
proposed. 00:25:11
The gross floor area 1556 square feet is allowed. Existing is 1548 square feet. 00:25:15
And it's proposed that 1694. 00:25:22
Be alone. The front yard set back is 8 feet, which is required, and they're requesting when they bump out one of the windows from 00:25:27
the porch, it will bring it. 00:25:32
To within 4 feet 3 inches. Now there is the property line here. 00:25:39
Is at an angle, and so part of the porch is 6 inches and it's existing at the closest point to the property line in the front. 00:25:45
Kent CV prepared a Focus Phase Two Historic Assessment, which analyzed the proposed project against the Secretary of the Interior 00:25:56
Standards for Rehabilitation. 00:26:00
Rehabilitation makes allowances for the opportunity to alter and or add to the structure for efficient contemporary use. 00:26:04
In his assessment, Mr. Seavy asserts that the replacement of the rear addition and addition to the east elevation will, quote, 00:26:12
provide more for more efficient contemporary use of the space, while preserving those portions of the property which are 00:26:17
significant to its historic, architectural and cultural character. 00:26:22
And prop. 00:26:28
Will be consistent with the Secretary of the Interior Standards for Rehabilitation. End Quote. 00:26:29
When considering historic preservation permit. 00:26:36
The Historic Resources Committee shall be directed and guided by the list of the purposes found in PGMC 23.76.010, and that's 00:26:42
historic preservation and purposes. 00:26:47
And also by the purposes of the zoning regulations, which is 23.04.010. 00:26:52
Staff. 00:27:01
The Historic Resources Committee approved the historic preservation permit and Architectural permit. 00:27:05
230252 Subject to findings, conditions of approval, and a sequel Class 31 Categorical Exemption for Historic Resources Restoration 00:27:10
Slash rehabilitation. 00:27:16
I'm here if you have any questions. Thank you for your time. 00:27:22
Thank you. 00:27:26
Questions. 00:27:29
I'm not seeing any. 00:27:32
Are there any? 00:27:34
Coming through the. 00:27:36
Oh, here. 00:27:39
Would you like to have? 00:27:48
Applicant present. 00:27:50
We have comment. 00:27:52
That would be fine. Let's do that. 00:27:54
Good. 00:28:01
So the purpose of the addition and the remodel of the historic house adheres to the Secretary of Interior Standards for 00:28:06
Rehabilitation. 00:28:11
And I think we based. 00:28:15
Design on the information from Kent. 00:28:19
As you probably noticed, the site is an odd shaped. 00:28:24
Lot that's inconsistent with the standards of the 30 by 60 dimensions of the retreat. 00:28:29
So that has posed some interesting set back issues et cetera, et cetera. So we had. 00:28:35
Account for that as we move through the project. 00:28:42
The existing 700 square foot house consists of the main floor living space, A substandard addition. 00:28:45
Housing the kitchen and breath and a non habitable basement area. 00:28:53
We are proposing to replace the substandard rear addition to accommodate a bedroom, bathroom and entry to the stairs. 00:28:58
To access. 00:29:05
The basement that is being upgraded to living. 00:29:07
Due to the odd shaped of the lot, it has taken special consideration in how to address the replacement addition and the small 00:29:11
addition to the east. 00:29:15
There is a three foot. 00:29:20
Foreign tradition. 00:29:22
To the rear east side, which is the kitchen. 00:29:24
From It's 12 feet from the front of the house, so. 00:29:28
Really not visible if you've been to the site. 00:29:32
12 feet back is down between the two adjacent houses. 00:29:36
And this is to accommodate the stairs to the lower basement. 00:29:44
And bring space. 00:29:47
A living space and the small kitchen area. 00:29:50
All the materials, siding, windows, details and roof pitch. 00:29:53
Will match the. 00:29:57
The only work in the front of the house will be to rehabilitate the front porch. 00:30:00
To maintain its current. 00:30:05
The porch has been modified several times over the. 00:30:07
A toilet and sink were added to one side of the porch and will be removed and that area returned to the porch. 00:30:11
The glass window sections will be restored and the one that at some point was installed upside down. 00:30:18
Will be installed. 00:30:26
And the stairs will be replaced to meet code. Currently those stairs are not up to code. 00:30:29
And I think. 00:30:37
The planner mentioned we do have an assessment for the archaeological report. We haven't received the report yet, but it should be 00:30:40
here sometime. 00:30:45
Soon, so our our. 00:30:50
Findings and conditions, of course, will be based on the archaeologists report. 00:30:53
If you have any questions, I'd be happy to answer them. Like to save some time for any. 00:30:59
Comments. 00:31:05
The height of the ceiling in the basement is what I missed that part. Oh, the ceiling in the basement will be. 00:31:08
7 foot eight I believe it is. 00:31:18
Anything else? Any. 00:31:24
Not now. 00:31:26
Thanks. 00:31:28
We have comments. 00:31:35
Let's start with the online comments. How about that? 00:31:38
The first speaker will be Lisa Johnny. 00:31:44
Thank you. I'm having to make a bunch of adjustments, so excuse the halting presentation here, but there's so much new 00:31:49
information. 00:31:54
So just to start, and as an alternative to story polls, what a one day ad in the newspaper is entirely insufficient. As a 00:31:59
substitute, it does not. 00:32:05
Uh. 00:32:12
Anybody with information about what what the this? 00:32:14
Building will look like the the changes and then the historic preservation permit. 00:32:21
Is not being used to preserve the historic property. It only appears to be used to expand the addition unnecessarily in order to 00:32:29
allow the applicants inappropriately reduced. 00:32:34
For example, inappropriately reduced side yard set back. 00:32:41
On the east, when the set back on the West is dramatically less than minimal already. 00:32:45
I hope you've all been able to to view that in person. 00:32:53
I'm wondering if the proposed game room is really necessary. 00:32:58
To to warrant changing the zoning standards. 00:33:04
And then the part about the. 00:33:11
Improvements that the historic preservation permit is. 00:33:17
Is about exceptions when it's necessary to permit preservation or restoration or improvements is what. 00:33:21
Is what the planner said, but that's improvements like, you know to make the. 00:33:31
The utilities that, whatever it may be, work. 00:33:41
In, you know, over 100 years or whatever it's been since since construction. 00:33:46
And and not just for any improvements that that an applicant may may desire. 00:33:54
And then, OK, Gene Burn pointed out there is an archaeological report coming because that's required, but that wasn't mentioned in 00:34:05
the staff report that I could find. 00:34:10
And this? 00:34:17
Inadvertent discovery is a totally insufficient as as a condition of approval because This site is immediately adjacent to two 00:34:20
designated archaeological sites Cal MNT 831, which is the village site right across the street. The street wasn't there before 00:34:26
and. 00:34:33
C AM NT111 which is the. 00:34:41
The lovers point site and boundaries are estimates in any case, so this this can't just be inadvertent discovery. 00:34:44
And that's all I have time for. 00:34:53
Thank you. 00:34:55
Thank you. 00:34:57
And we have another one. The next speaker will be Anthony. 00:35:02
Good afternoon. Thank you again for having this meeting. 00:35:09
The notion that the applicant who I think is. 00:35:15
Had a lot of experience in Pacific Grove. 00:35:20
Could not figure out. 00:35:23
That the fence was in the wrong location and the neighbors and. 00:35:25
Oversee the installation of story poles and netting. 00:35:32
Seems convenient. 00:35:37
For the. 00:35:41
Not convenient for the. 00:35:43
I recommend that you postpone this. 00:35:46
The new fence is built. They're built, working on it right now. They've moved the fence off of the other. 00:35:49
Area, so you could have the netting go up and really look at it. 00:35:55
Keep in mind. 00:36:00
That when this goes. 00:36:03
This will shade the neighbor to the east substantially shade. 00:36:07
Because it's, it will. 00:36:12
Project. 00:36:14
That's going to block the sun from the southwest and the West. 00:36:16
Into that property. 00:36:20
That's going to wipe out the sunlight into their windows, at least. 00:36:22
So I think you need to really take a look at that. 00:36:28
I also. 00:36:31
I don't think it's. 00:36:33
That the historic Resources Committee is going to be making decisions. 00:36:34
About what? 00:36:39
De facto. 00:36:40
Variances. 00:36:42
This is an increase, substantial increase. 00:36:44
Of the square footage, that's going to increase the degree of non conformity. 00:36:47
That's really important. You're going to increase the degree of nonconformity, and it seems willful. 00:36:54
Are they the notion that they could come up with feasible alternatives that would not do? That does not make a lot of sense. 00:37:00
So I really believe this project should go back. 00:37:08
I don't think. 00:37:13
The the rule for. 00:37:14
Can be found where. 00:37:17
Are these exceptions necessary? 00:37:20
Because that's what the law says they need to be necessary. 00:37:22
And are there reasonable alternatives? I believe so. 00:37:28
Will the variances set a negative precedent that could result in cumulative and significant adverse impacts to the retreat? 00:37:32
I think so, because other people could say, hey, you know, just put an ad in the paper and I don't have to put. 00:37:40
Netting. 00:37:47
Guess what? 00:37:49
Break the rules and expand the project, and the Historic Resources Committee can hand out variances. 00:37:51
The table and the code says the Planning Commission can do variances. This cannot be done administratively because it's over the 00:37:59
limits for staff administration. 00:38:04
To do an administrative. 00:38:09
Thank you. 00:38:12
Thank you. 00:38:15
I see no. 00:38:19
I see no other hands raised. 00:38:21
No other hands raised on the Zoom. Is there anyone We just got one more? 00:38:23
OK, I will allow Inga, Lawrence and Dahmer to speak. 00:38:30
Thank you. My hand inadvertently lowered, I guess because I had raised it. 00:38:35
I'm going to agree completely with the 1st 2 speakers and say that. 00:38:43
Miss Byrne is a very talented architect, but she comes in asking for variances inevitably, and these cumulative variances are 00:38:49
really stacking up on this project. 00:38:56
And. 00:39:05
In the coastal zone and we need story poles, we need. Why is all of these changes too, of so much extra square footage? 00:39:06
And and setbacks, I mean these are getting it's like trying to shoehorn. 00:39:18
Absolutely everything in the world into a tiny package and say, oops, well, we really don't need to show what we're doing. 00:39:25
I mean, I cannot imagine that this project could not be designed. 00:39:33
In a. 00:39:38
That doesn't exacerbate. 00:39:40
Non conform. 00:39:44
Aspects. 00:39:45
This is like asking you for the moon and saying, oh, just to prove it, I'm OK. 00:39:49
I'm sorry, this isn't OK. 00:39:54
I suggest you go ahead. 00:39:57
Send it back because this. 00:40:01
This is. 00:40:04
Should be happening in our town. 00:40:06
Thank you very. 00:40:08
Thank you. 00:40:11
Anymore. 00:40:13
I see no other hands. 00:40:18
And in the room here, do we have anyone who would like to come up and speak to this issue? 00:40:21
Good afternoon. My name is Katie Sheehan Placido and myself and my husband are the owner of 6/25. 00:40:39
My family and I have a deep history in Pacific Grove. My great great aunt Flora Conover her home and one room schoolhouse still 00:40:48
stands on Lighthouse Ave. right next to the Monarch Pub. Flora taught disabled children back in the early 1900s. 00:40:55
My great Aunt Jeanette was also a school teacher and purchased her home at 625 Joule in 1950. 00:41:02
This home has been in my family for 74 years and has been my Pacific Grove retreat since I was an infant. 00:41:09
In 2011 I was able to take ownership and I started to restore the home as it had fallen into a state of great disrepair. I 00:41:16
replaced the roof. The plumbing and electric electrical systems have been. 00:41:21
And the interior and exterior have been repainted, the front landscaping and wall been replaced, and drought tolerant plants are 00:41:27
thriving. Now, as I've retired after 35 years of teaching, I want to make my Pacific Grove home my forever home. 00:41:34
I want to be able to enjoy the home, have room for my family and fulfill my mother's dream. 00:41:41
That the property lasts another 100 years. We have worked with Jeannie Byrne to help us create a design that we feel respects the 00:41:45
historic characteristics of the home and the neighborhood. 00:41:50
The design also reflects the needs of my family. 00:41:55
I have two grown children with their own families and I have five siblings that are attached to PG as well. I would like to be 00:41:58
able to open my home to them in a safe and welcoming atmosphere. 00:42:03
In its current state, the home is wall to wall couches and furniture, including bunk beds to try to accommodate safe sleep spaces. 00:42:09
The shower and bathroom configurations are not the most accommodating for us retired individuals or senior citizens or individuals 00:42:17
that are taller than 5/8. 00:42:21
I have a deep attachment to the home, but I need to make changes to adapt to my families needs. I've also submitted letters from 00:42:27
all my surrounding close neighbors that are in support of our project. We are a long term community. We've been in touch with our 00:42:33
neighbors for several years and we know the importance of having close. 00:42:40
Neighbors and to work together as a team. 00:42:47
I really cherish my childhood memories from squishing a penny on the railroad tracks, eating pink popcorn from the beach stand, 00:42:51
marching in the Pet Parade 4th of July at Caledonia Park, counting butterflies, watching the Butterfly Parade sunrise, Easter 00:42:57
services at Lovers Point and glass bottom, boat rides and announcements from the pier. 00:43:02
I want to continue to make new memories with my children and future grandchildren, unfortunately as the home as it is today will 00:43:09
not allow or accommodate our needs. 00:43:13
I have no plans on making this home a vacation rental as it is my. 00:43:17
I ask you to please approve our project to let our little gem on jewels shine to his full potential. 00:43:22
I also had an extra letter that I gave today and I do have some pictures if you want to look at it from our home over the. 00:43:28
So thank you. 00:43:37
Thank you. 00:43:39
Is there anyone else in the audience who would like to speak to this? 00:43:49
You've already been Let's see if somebody. 00:43:54
I'm seeing. 00:43:59
I just wanted to save some time to answer some of the comments. 00:44:01
So in terms of the fence, of course we knew exactly where the fence was because we always have a property surveyed before we start 00:44:07
a project. 00:44:11
So that comment was interesting. 00:44:15
One of my objectives when I do historic homes is to keep any additions or. 00:44:21
Changes well to the back of the property so that the streetscape maintains the historic value and we certainly have done that with 00:44:28
this project. 00:44:33
All of the surrounding neighbors, as Katie mentioned, have looked at the plans and are very enthusiastically approving. 00:44:39
What they see, they've all written letters and so there. 00:44:47
Issue with the surrounding. Neigh. 00:44:52
And the exceptions we're asking for, of course, are not variances because they meet the historic resources code. 00:44:57
And as far as? 00:45:06
As necessary improvements, The house really is essentially barely livable the way it is right now. 00:45:10
So certainly it meets the category for the Secretary of Interior Standards for Rehabilitation to bring it into a contemporary. 00:45:19
Existence, but maintaining the history of. 00:45:30
Thanks. 00:45:34
I'd like to ask our staff here. There are a couple of things that are missing from the. 00:45:40
From the presentation. 00:45:48
The story polls and. 00:45:50
Couple of reports, archaeological I believe and. 00:45:53
What was the other? 00:46:00
I can't remember just offhand, but I heard heard about two reports. 00:46:02
Missing from the presentation. 00:46:07
Correct me if I'm wrong. 00:46:09
May I? 00:46:13
No, the I don't know what 2 reports. 00:46:17
The policy for the archaeological reporting. 00:46:22
I think that what is being looked at is if it were. I think one thing to to note is that this was exempt from a coastal 00:46:27
development. 00:46:31
When a coastal development permit is applied for, there are certain reports, especially archaeology, that that is required here. 00:46:35
The in in this case, it wasn't. I mean, it was known to be exempt, so it wasn't a. 00:46:43
CDP I believe I addressed the story. 00:46:51
In the beginning. 00:46:55
Of my report. 00:46:57
That they met their they met their requirement through through the the online from our policy, they made our policy requirements. 00:46:59
OK. And we have a historic preservation permit that allows for certain flexibility in. 00:47:08
Setbacks and things, though. 00:47:17
Board Do we have any discussion? 00:47:22
My only question really is about the story polls, and in this case it doesn't. 00:47:31
Bother me that much, except in the effect that this happens around Pacific Grove quite a bit, that properties don't have to 00:47:37
demonstrate with story polls what exactly is going on, and then nobody knows until it's built that it's been built. 00:47:44
And that's the only issue I have with that. 00:47:52
Anyone else? 00:47:57
Yes, I also feel like. 00:48:00
There should. If if it's possible, we should do. There should be story polls. 00:48:03
And I understand, I think goes from Mr. Siani that. 00:48:07
Removing the fence and and fixing that, then they could be they could be put in. 00:48:13
Yes, I. 00:48:22
Personally, I don't think it's necessary to visualize what's going on, but we just continued another project. We're not having 00:48:24
story polls. 00:48:30
Exactly. And so we better do it this time. Exactly that. 00:48:35
Just to be fair. 00:48:40
I'm going to propose that we. 00:48:44
Continue it. 00:48:46
For the next. 00:48:49
If that works for you. 00:48:52
But the story? 00:48:54
Because of the story. 00:48:57
Mr. Chair, if I or Vice Chair if I may, I do want to clarify that we can't require a property owner to alter their property in 00:49:01
order to erect story polls. 00:49:06
So the idea of the removal and rebuilding of a fence. 00:49:12
Prior to getting approval for a project is something that the city would not be able to require or enforce. 00:49:17
Staff did review this application. 00:49:27
Before we scheduled it for the. 00:49:31
A senior planner, Campbell and I did take a look at the site and because of the the close distance between the two homes. 00:49:36
And the concrete on the ground and the fence. 00:49:44
That's where we determined that we could allow this applicant an alternative means. 00:49:47
For doing the notification. 00:49:53
And the city's adopted policy does allow for the newspaper ad to meet that requirement. 00:49:55
So I just did want to give you that background information before you move on with your motion. Thank you. Yeah, that makes sense. 00:50:00
I thought they had rebuilt the fence. I thought she said that they had rebuilt the fence. They're building it. They were doing it 00:50:10
this morning when I went there. 00:50:13
But it's still in the process. 00:50:19
But. 00:50:20
As long as that requirement has been addressed some way. 00:50:23
I'm OK with it, So do we have any design comments on it? 00:50:27
None. OK. 00:50:33
My only comments were that. 00:50:41
That site is very tight and oddly. 00:50:44
And the other build. 00:50:49
Adjacent to this. 00:50:52
Are very close together and I think a little bit of flexibility. 00:50:55
Through the historic preservation permit is. 00:51:00
Necessary and reasonable. 00:51:06
I like the project. I think it's a good one. 00:51:10
I would. 00:51:13
Anyone else? 00:51:17
Speak, I would say. 00:51:19
I would agree with. 00:51:26
Yeah, that that's still my only you know, I I just. I guess I'm more visual than, but I I had. 00:51:33
It is. That's one of my main concerns because it is so close together and. 00:51:40
You know even adding on to it is going to affect the rest of the. 00:51:47
Neighborhood. And so I just think those story polls are so. 00:51:53
Important. 00:51:59
It looked to me from the drawings to. 00:52:11
A small question for the. 00:52:16
At some of the windows on the front of the. 00:52:19
Have millions and things in them that are disappearing from. 00:52:23
Proposed design is. 00:52:30
I'm sorry, say that again. 00:52:33
Mullions on the front windows. 00:52:35
Some of them appear. 00:52:38
Not the same as the. 00:52:42
They well, I think. 00:52:48
The ones at the porch are. 00:52:53
Because we are restoring those and replacing exactly what's there. 00:52:57
So they may not have had all the detail on this drawing, but. 00:53:02
As as they are right now, as you see them, they will. 00:53:06
Go back in that way, wood casement windows. Like are you talking about the No, they're not casements. 00:53:11
They're fixed. 00:53:18
The ones at the porch, I meant to say I'm sorry. 00:53:21
There's some double hung windows that. There's some double double hung windows that are over the stairs that. 00:53:25
Behind the stairs that are accessed the. 00:53:33
But the ones at the porch are. 00:53:36
And they're fairly detail. 00:53:42
But we didn't put all of the detail on this. 00:53:44
Drawing because it's fairly intricate. 00:53:47
Understood. 00:53:50
But as we stated, we're replacing those exactly as they are. 00:53:55
Except for the one that's upside down, we will put that one right. 00:54:01
All right. I'm going to propose that we approve the project then. 00:54:10
Submitted. 00:54:14
2nd. 00:54:20
All right, we're going to have a group vote now. 00:54:24
All in favor. 00:54:30
Yes. 00:54:32
Aye. 00:54:35
OK, that's. 00:54:36
Motion passes, four eyes, 0 nays, 1 recused. 00:54:42
Very good. Thank you. 00:54:49
That's cold out there. 00:54:54
Oh. 00:55:10
Be stumbling over this process. 00:55:13
All right, we are on to item 8C. 00:55:16
Application for historic preservation, administrative use, and administrative architectural permits for 844 Laurel. 00:55:21
And do we have a staff? 00:55:29
Thank you, Chair Anton. That is me again. And thank you again for letting me zoom in on this. 00:55:33
I will share my screen one more time. 00:55:39
All right. Thank you. I'm presenting 844 Laurel Ave. Historic preservation permit, administrative use permit and administrative 00:55:50
architectural permit application #23-0232. 00:55:56
Again, I would like. 00:56:03
Talk about the noticing. This one was first posted on January 12th of 2024 and the mailers went out on January 12th of 2024 and 00:56:06
that was again at a 300 foot radius. 00:56:12
To speak again of the the story Poll Policy. 00:56:18
And I would like to point out that when we have a, when we have policies, we may. 00:56:22
Say you're required to do something, but when we have exceptions and the policies are being met. 00:56:28
And again in this case, one of the exceptions, this was deemed eligible for administrative approval. 00:56:34
Administrative use permit and administrative architectural permit. The historic preservation permit is really there to allow these 00:56:41
administrative use permits and administrative architectural permits to go forward. So they were exempt from the OR found to be 00:56:48
exceptions to the proposed netting procedures because they were eligible for administrative approval. 00:56:55
Again though, in this case we did also advertise, so I have two of these exceptions and so it was it was put on and then I will 00:57:04
also. 00:57:10
That down here on the proposed east elevation. 00:57:17
This is the only section that you would actually have seen from the street, and that's one of the reasons it's it's behind the 00:57:21
garage and the. 00:57:25
And it's in the rear of a home, a single story, which makes it eligible for that administrative. 00:57:31
Architectural. 00:57:36
To let you know the the newspaper ad ran on January Thursday, January 11th and on January 24th this item from the at the HRC 00:57:39
meeting. The item was continued to a certain date which was today and so no additional noticing was required beyond what was done 00:57:45
in January. 00:57:51
So. 00:58:01
Existing conditions of this The Subject property site is 3601 square feet and is zoned R1. The site is currently developed with a 00:58:03
legally non conforming 2535 square foot two-story single family residence. 00:58:11
The legal nonconformities include 2535 square feet of gross floor area where 1980 square feet is allowed and a zero or near 0 set 00:58:19
back at the rear wall of the attached garage or 10 foot rear yard is required. 00:58:26
The proposed project is the demolition of an existing 100 square foot rear addition construction, construction of a new 205 square 00:58:37
foot addition to expand the existing bathroom at a utility room and add stairs to connect to the main house to the existing 00:58:44
garage. We're currently right now it's it's just an open you leave the house, it's open to go to the garage. 00:58:52
They're proposing a new entrance to the West side elevation and the remodel and reconfiguration of the front porch steps and also 00:59:01
an installation of a 274 square foot patio. 00:59:06
Again, the Historic Preservation permit is to the exception for Zoning District regulations for buildings listed on the Historic 00:59:15
Resources Inventory when that exception is necessary to put the permit, the preservation, restoration and improvements of that 00:59:21
property. 00:59:27
The applicant is. 00:59:35
Relief from the gross floor area. 00:59:41
1980 square feet is. 00:59:43
2535 square feet is existing, 2640 is proposed. 00:59:46
They're requesting building coverage. Relief. 1621 square feet is allowed. 00:59:53
1535 square feet is. 00:59:59
1640 square feet is. 01:00:02
And the rear yard set back 10 feet is required. 6 feet is proposed Currently. The existing garage as I said before is up against 01:00:05
it, but the addition goes is is requesting 6 foot rear yard. 01:00:12
QUALIFY historian Kentivey prepared a Focus Phase Two Historic Assessment, which analyzed the proposed project against the 01:00:25
Secretary of Interior Standards for Rehabilitation. Rehabilitation makes allowances for the opportunity to alter and or add to the 01:00:30
structure for efficient contemporary use. 01:00:35
In his assessment, Mr. CB asserts that the replacement of the rear addition and addition to the West Elevation Access will, quote, 01:00:40
make possible for an efficient contemporary use while preserving those portions and features of the property which are significant 01:00:45
to the historic, architectural and cultural use. 01:00:51
It will also make the residents more compatible in appearance with its existing character defining features. 01:00:57
All new work will be undertaken in conformance with the Secretary of the Interior Standards for the Treatment of Historic 01:01:02
Properties under Standard for Rehabilitation. 01:01:06
The above is consistent with Secretary standards incurred and Secretary's standards encouraging locating alterations to historic 01:01:12
properties in areas where previous alterations already exist and. 01:01:18
Again. 01:01:27
Considering an application for exceptions through historic preservation permit, the Historic Resources Committee shall be directed 01:01:29
and guided by the list of purposes found in. 01:01:33
PGMC to 3.76.010 and that's the purpose of historic preservation and 23.04.010 and that's the purpose of the zoning regulations. 01:01:38
Staff recommends the Historic Resources Committee approve the. 01:01:52
Preservation Permit Administrative Architectural Permit and Administrative Use Permit Application #23-0232 Subject to findings, 01:01:55
Conditions of Approval, and Seca Class 31 categorical exemptions for historic restoration and rehabilitation. I'd also like to 01:02:02
point out as I as I look at this. 01:02:08
The chair Anton had had mentioned there was a mistake in the. 01:02:18
In the permit where I identify the property as a single story, that's a two-story and that will be corrected. 01:02:22
With the with the permit application or with the actual per? 01:02:30
Thank you. I'm here for any questions if you have. 01:02:34
Any questions for him? 01:02:37
No. OK, we'd like to hear from the applicant. 01:02:40
Jeannie Byrne, architect for the. 01:02:49
So. 01:02:52
The additions. 01:02:56
Very minimal and do not affect the street elevations either either St. Elevation for the project so. 01:02:58
It's a single story addition at the rear of the property. 01:03:08
And and it's to replace a previous edition that was done that had a sub standard bathroom and a mechanical storage. 01:03:12
Shed of some sort that rented into the kitchen window. 01:03:22
The addition will provide a legal full. 01:03:27
Much needed storage space and an enclosed connection from the house to the existing garage. 01:03:31
The materials and details will match the existing historic. 01:03:37
And I have to note that the Heritage society did give this recognition at last. 01:03:42
Heritage House. 01:03:49
Because they have done a beautiful paint job on this house. 01:03:51
There is no change in the front entry except for replacing the decking on the porch. 01:03:55
Of the landing to make it meet the building code. Currently it's it's. 01:04:01
Two inches out of. 01:04:07
The exterior steps leading to the front porch will be reconfigured and brought up to code. 01:04:10
And again, the addition meets the Secretary of the Interior standards. 01:04:16
So if you have any questions. 01:04:22
Big answer, I'd like to save some time. 01:04:24
For to address any. 01:04:27
You have a question for the architect. 01:04:30
Not really clear from looking at the drawings and the peers you're going to put a. 01:04:34
Deck to the east side of the front stairs. The front stairs will still come down where they are now, but there's going to be a 01:04:39
deck off to the east side. 01:04:42
Right. And it's, it's kind of a little patio that's. 01:04:47
They haven't determined grass, creed or gravel or so it's a just. 01:04:52
A. 01:04:59
Landscape issue essentially, but there are steps, small steps that come down each side. 01:05:00
From the main steps and part of that is to get a landing. 01:05:06
From the main house. 01:05:12
So we're just reconfiguring those existing exterior steps, but the front porch itself? The only change is the decking to bring it 01:05:14
up to code. 01:05:20
OK. Anything else? OK, thank you. Stand by please. 01:05:30
I'll open now to public comment. 01:05:37
We have one hand. 01:05:47
First speaker will be Anthony. 01:05:50
Good afternoon again. 01:05:55
I'm not going to talk about the merits of the project. 01:05:58
Per Southeast. 01:06:02
However, was there a fence in the way of putting up story? 01:06:06
Or was it a willful decision to just use an ad? 01:06:12
Instead of story polls I don't get. 01:06:15
Seems. 01:06:18
Pattern and a slippery slope for the city to go down and for the applicant to go down to. 01:06:21
2nd. 01:06:29
This is more ballooning of a historic property. 01:06:33
That's already 2500 square feet plus. 01:06:38
To make it 2600 square feet. 01:06:42
And I just don't understand. 01:06:45
The. 01:06:48
Desired uses can't be accom. 01:06:51
In the existing 2500. 01:06:54
Or at least within the foot. 01:06:57
Of what had already been added on. 01:06:59
That's beyond the code, so here we go. We're going to and I and I know I sound a bit. 01:07:02
Flip, but it just seems. 01:07:10
That we're adding on, adding on, increasing the degree of nonconformity. It's OK because it's it's historic. I'm a historic 01:07:13
preservation consultant. I'm a fan. 01:07:19
Of providing incentives for historic preservation. This seems a little bit. 01:07:25
Like we're going beyond. 01:07:31
The realm. 01:07:34
Why incentives are provided? 01:07:36
And. 01:07:39
I think the project is a good project. 01:07:41
But I think the notion of just. 01:07:44
Changing the zoning to suit whatever people want just because of historic building. 01:07:48
May come back to bite the. 01:07:55
In a big way. 01:07:58
And I also think. 01:08:00
The notion of equal treatment under the law. Fairness. 01:08:02
To all property owners in Pacific. 01:08:06
Is an important question to be asking your. 01:08:10
Thank you. 01:08:13
The next speaker will be Lisa. 01:08:22
Thank you. I want to say the new owners have done a wonderful job of restoring the house. I say that's in my neighborhood as I 01:08:26
walk by it so frequently. 01:08:32
It's just been marvelous to see the changes. 01:08:38
I I am still wondering. I it's it's a shame not to have story polls because they tell the story in real life. 01:08:43
For I'm sorry, but a newspaper ads one day doesn't really come even close to doing that. But and I wonder if. 01:08:52
All the additional proposed changes are necessary, the architect referred to. 01:09:01
Much needed storage space. 01:09:08
I don't know, but that's a really big. 01:09:11
So you know, is it necessary to make exceptions to provide much needed storage space? 01:09:14
I you know, maybe maybe they have too much storage. 01:09:23
People use. 01:09:27
What do they call those things? 01:09:30
Anyway, there's ways of dealing with that without. 01:09:33
Adding on to a house. 01:09:36
A historic house at that. 01:09:38
But I do. I do applaud the owners for the beautiful restoration they've done so far. Thank you. 01:09:42
Next speaker will be Ingle Lorenzen Dahmer. 01:09:54
I wasn't even really going to speak on this one because I'm so discouraged now, it seems like. 01:10:01
When we have ordinances, Oh well, they can be gotten around by a newspaper ad. 01:10:08
I mean, I'm. I find that incredible. We just had some revisions to a story. Poll Policy and. 01:10:14
This is getting. 01:10:22
We're just watching our history being built up and around and. 01:10:24
It's gone away now, and each of these are going to be the future ones that they say, oh, take it off the list because it's no 01:10:31
longer historic. 01:10:35
I'm I'm getting very discouraged on this of allowing just more and more and variances and variances. 01:10:41
Somewhere along the line there has to be some fairness and equality under the law, and I'm not seeing it today. 01:10:50
Thank you very much. 01:10:58
I see no other hands. 01:11:04
OK, I'll close for the. 01:11:07
And bring oh virtual. 01:11:10
Anybody present would like to comment? 01:11:14
You're welcome to speak the owner. 01:11:22
Come up. 01:11:29
We bought the house few years ago and we love living here and we're so grateful for the Heritage Society recognizing us with the 01:11:39
Heritage Award and we have a lot of walk by people who really like what we're doing and we believe it's a beautiful old house and 01:11:46
that's all. We're going to make it as beautiful as it should be. That's it. 01:11:52
Thank you. 01:12:00
Can you please state your name? 01:12:01
My name is Michelle McLean Russell and my husband is Hugh. 01:12:05
Thank you. 01:12:10
I didn't mention earlier that they have also received several letters from their surrounding neighbors approving the project and 01:12:16
supporting it. 01:12:20
Thank you. We received one at least. 01:12:25
OK, I'm going to close public comment now. Bring it back for discussion. Who would like to begin? 01:12:29
Shall I call on somebody? 01:12:37
Well, I too, I've been watching this house for a long time because it just it's a beautiful house and they have done an awful job. 01:12:40
One of the things that I didn't note though, and then when they were talking about redoing the porch. 01:12:46
They were. It was discussed in there. I believe, that it was going to be replaced. The brick was going to be replaced with the 01:12:54
concrete. 01:12:57
And I really think that takes away from the the porch and the front of the house. 01:13:01
That that is a little problematic for me. 01:13:07
Stairs. 01:13:11
The stairs and then yeah, but isn't there some brick up on the porch? 01:13:13
Can you go up at the dyes please? Let's we have to keep the discussion right here please. 01:13:18
She. 01:13:24
That's my. 01:13:25
Jennifer, you want to speak? Sure, I agree. They did an Absolutely Fabulous job on the South Side, Watched it for years. My 01:13:27
problem is also with the front. 01:13:31
I on that the piece of property is so big I feel that a patio could be put. 01:13:37
Many different places. And it just seems like doing something off that big front porch is going to really detract from the sort of 01:13:43
historic integrity of that whole entryway, whether the brick is replaced with concrete. 01:13:49
I'm not sure that that will make a difference, but I do have a bit of a problem with putting this patio over on the side. Just 01:13:57
think it could go somewhere else. 01:14:01
Would anybody else like to? 01:14:11
Please. 01:14:15
Enter the mic into the mic. I did see the house originally and. 01:14:18
The garage is very small and the bathroom was. 01:14:23
In the back there was abysmal, so I can understand why they. 01:14:27
Combining the two and giving it a more usable area. 01:14:31
Even though they're increasing the square. 01:14:35
I'm completely satisfied with what's being proposed here. The big house, there's a lot of room and. 01:14:43
And these. 01:14:53
Proposed modifications are modest. 01:14:55
Appropriate I. 01:14:59
Well, I. 01:15:03
You know, I have to think about. We all have to think about living in the 21st century, and I think. 01:15:05
We all want to preserve our old houses. 01:15:10
Sometimes they're not. It's not always workable. 01:15:13
I agree that this addition in the back is really very, very small. 01:15:16
I think it'll make everything better. 01:15:22
I I support the plan. 01:15:28
I have faith that what happens in the front will be appropriate. 01:15:31
And it will look probably better than it does. 01:15:36
I've been on that porch. It needs to be fixed. 01:15:40
So I am. 01:15:45
I am in favor of the project. 01:15:47
Any other discussions? 01:15:53
Do we have a? 01:15:55
Motion. 01:15:58
Sounded like you almost gave one. Well. 01:16:00
I'll move that the project be approved. 01:16:08
Do we have a second I second? 01:16:11
So. 01:16:14
Moved tickets seconded and all in favour, please say aye. 01:16:17
Aye, aye. 01:16:22
All right, 50. 01:16:23
And good job. We look forward to seeing this project when it's completed. 01:16:24
All right. Next on our agenda. 01:16:35
This this is D right? 01:16:46
Item 8D. 01:16:55
Regarding 519 Forest. 01:16:58
May we have a staff report please? 01:17:01
Yes, good afternoon, chair, committee members and the public. I am Laurel O'halloran, planner and presenting A historic 01:17:04
determination for you today. 01:17:08
On November 15th, 2023, William Sherid Owners submitted a written request through application of a historic determination. 01:17:14
To remove the existing residents located at 519 4th Ave. from the City of Pacific Rose Historic Resources Inventory. 01:17:22
The subject structure is a one story vernacular cottage originally constructed in 1894. 01:17:30
According to City of Pacific Rd. Building Records, the facade of the subject structure was remodeled from its original vernacular 01:17:36
cottage character, including three renovations. 01:17:41
In 2018, the City of Pacific Grove undertook the task of updating the city's HRI. 01:17:47
For this task, the city contracted with Page and. 01:17:53
A qualified historic consulting. 01:17:57
Their report did not recommend the subject property for removal from the HRI. 01:18:00
And their report concluded the property retained sufficient historic integrity. 01:18:04
On October 23rd, 2023, Kent CVA qualified Historian reviewed the page in turn. 01:18:09
Phase one historically blue. And. 01:18:16
But lacking both historic significance and integrity, the subject property does not meet the necessary. 01:18:19
Criterion for listings in the National California Registers of Historic Resources MORE doesn't meet the criterion established by 01:18:25
the City of Pacific Grove to qualify for inclusion in the Pacific Groves Historic Resources Inventory, and therefore cannot be 01:18:31
considered a historic reef source as defined by SEQUEL. 01:18:37
His review recommends the resident be removed from the city's HRI due to its loss of historic integrity. This concludes my staff 01:18:43
report. I'm available for questions and William, the owner, is here as well. Thank you. 01:18:50
Thank you. Do we have an applicant or owner present? Wishes to speak? 01:18:57
Good afternoon. My name is Bill Sherrod. My wife and I purchased this back in 2021 and decided to move here, my last tour in the 01:19:09
Navy, where I just retired after 29 years and set a home for our three young daughters. 01:19:15
We remodeled the the property. It was previously a hair salon and it has a long history of being dual use as businesses for. 01:19:23
For for many many. 01:19:30
The house was listed as a three. 01:19:34
It is actually. 01:19:37
Matured the home it. 01:19:39
A best one and A and a half bath. 01:19:41
In order to createspace for the family. 01:19:45
We we made some compromises in the footprint and now as our daughters grow they share 3 girls share a single bedroom that is about 01:19:48
10 by 12 square foot. OK, so we're looking to. 01:19:54
Put a second story on the House and through the process engaging with the city and I appreciate all their support and guidance. 01:20:03
Said we need to get to the phase two. Reached out to Kent Seavy, whose name is very popular here. He's done a lot of work in the 01:20:09
community and the first comment was, I don't know how I can do a phase two if it don't meet phase one criteria. 01:20:15
And that brought us to this, this the precipice of. 01:20:21
We're seeking based on, not the fact that the whole at one point was historic. 01:20:25
Right. And had characteristics that represented things of value, architectural value and historical value to the community. But 01:20:30
overtime that has changed. 01:20:34
Matter of fact that there are some conflicts with respect to the original Page and Turnbull report and then other documents 01:20:38
provided by Page Terminal for the city that call into question the actual date and construction of. 01:20:44
Right. The original report calls it in 1894. Didn't appear on any any lists or footprint until 1905 era. 01:20:50
The period after which it was being recognized. 01:20:58
Right. So, so there's a period stamp from. 01:21:02
The 1890s to 1902, which was the region or zone that was considered to be historic and the first first plan of the. 01:21:06
Was in 1905 and beyond, and from 1905 to 1912 to 1914 and 1926. 01:21:15
The drawings reflect from the city documents that the footprint substantially changed. 01:21:21
So the house continued to evolve over the years. 01:21:26
The things that were of architectural significance included a front porch with stucco roof treatment. 01:21:28
There's a photo that is from the 1934 era. 01:21:36
That is a wonderful, historic photo that shows the deep family ties to that property. 01:21:40
But when it became a business. 01:21:46
Stucco was removed, the poles that were supporting the porch were adjustable, and a concrete ramp was poured to create handicap 01:21:49
access. 01:21:52
Doesn't reflect the original historic property and character of the house that it that was. 01:21:57
Part of that, that. 01:22:03
There are more treatments in terms of code windows in the back. At one point that was a porch. It was glassed in with single pane 01:22:05
glass in order to make that a a usable bathroom space to have a second bathroom in the home that those window treatments were 01:22:10
changed. 01:22:14
That was done under a permit for the renovation of the home and 2021 approved by the city. 01:22:20
Right. And then there was a second. 01:22:26
At one point that was a fixture or potentially the kitchen. 01:22:29
When we wanted to do the interior renovation, there was no brickwork supporting that at all, so that had to be removed just for 01:22:33
sheer safety. 01:22:37
Right. So over the years unintended the home has evolved. 01:22:41
And we think, we believe that it is no longer holding the things, the elements that called it historic to begin with, with the 01:22:45
exception of 1 characteristic that we would cherish deeply and that is a stained glass window that is in the dining room area with 01:22:50
a built in. 01:22:55
And that we're. 01:23:00
But our ultimate goal is to create room. 01:23:02
Three girls to continue to go to school here and then be able to pass that home to our. 01:23:06
Thank you. Thank you very much. 01:23:12
All open now to public. 01:23:16
Vicky. 01:23:20
In 1934. 01:23:31
My name is Vicky Pierce and this is hard because it's very personal to me. 01:23:33
The 1934 photo that was referred to was taken by my. 01:23:40
Can you hear me? 01:23:45
And it's my mother standing on the front. 01:23:48
They stayed there in a room with Mr. and Mrs. Leslie when they first visited Pacific Grove on their honeymoon, they were they came 01:23:52
to work at Hopkins Marine Station. 01:23:57
The photo was made into a postcard that my mother mailed to her parents, my grandparents in Chicago. Now this was 90 years ago, 01:24:05
close to a century. The house was originally constructed as you know. 01:24:11
Eighteen 94130 years ago. 01:24:18
I think that makes it a historic. 01:24:22
My parents were biologists and they were working at the marine station that summer. 01:24:26
And fell in love with Pacific Grove. I grew up with a vision of EG as heaven and Mr. and Missus Leslie is the angels. 01:24:32
My parents visited PG also in 19331934, when the photo was taken, 36. They dreamed of retiring here and they did live happily here 01:24:43
for three decades. 01:24:49
I was introduced to the house and Leslie's on my first visit in 1949. 01:24:57
And Mrs. Leslie crocheted me a doll. On that visit we lived in our house trailer, which was parked beside the house Hong Uniro. 01:25:03
I can picture. 01:25:12
As it was 75 years ago when I was six years old standing in front of it, so to me it has not changed significantly. 01:25:14
Details have changed. What's significant is different in different people's minds. 01:25:24
To me, it remains historic and probably to others in our city. 01:25:30
History can't be frozen in time, it is made of changes. 01:25:35
A view that insists that nothing be al. 01:25:41
Would be to deny the essence of. 01:25:44
And I think it shows a lack of perspective. 01:25:48
The essence of this House remains historic, and the gift of history is perspective. 01:25:52
What does PG gain by removing listings from the HRI? 01:25:59
It enables the owners to make changes. 01:26:04
When I spoke to them recently they were delighted to see the old photo as they wanted to restore the house as it was, Mrs. Sherrod 01:26:07
said. 01:26:11
But I understand that things can change but keeping a property on the HR I encourages. 01:26:16
Preservation and restoration, and I think it's a value that the city should consider. 01:26:23
I urge you to accept the recommendation of Paige and Turnbull to retain this piece of PG's history on the historic resources 01:26:29
inventory. Thank you very much. 01:26:34
Thank you. 01:26:40
Do we have any virtual? 01:26:46
First speaker will be Anthony C. 01:26:49
Good evening, HRC. 01:26:56
I agree. 01:26:58
Uh, Doctor Pierce? 01:27:01
I think if you look at the property the way it. 01:27:03
And the way it's evolved over. 01:27:07
Is it has done just that it has evolved? 01:27:09
It still retains its forms. 01:27:14
Still change its character and. 01:27:16
Chimneys even if. 01:27:20
Wasn't properly supported. 01:27:23
The columns out front the door. 01:27:26
They sure appear the same. 01:27:29
Tile roof could be put back, but I think what's important here is you have. 01:27:31
A difference of opinion between 2 experts. 01:27:35
Page and Turnbull the city's consult. 01:27:39
And Kent Seavy, the applicants. 01:27:42
And I think in. 01:27:45
This proper? 01:27:48
Stay on the HRI. 01:27:51
And with the notion that somebody. 01:27:53
Uh, Architect. 01:27:58
Jeannie Byrne could come along and do a second floor edition that would respect and honour. 01:28:00
The original building. 01:28:07
1890. 01:28:10
To 19 what we hear about 1925, I think about 1994. 01:28:12
To this year. 01:28:18
2024 think of the changes that. 01:28:19
Over that. 01:28:23
In 1894. 01:28:25
The Spanish War was. 01:28:28
And by the turn of the century, people were driving cars. 01:28:30
People were trying to fly airplanes and the. 01:28:36
And add electricity to their houses. 01:28:38
Those kinds of. 01:28:42
Are understandable. 01:28:45
That doesn't take away from the history. 01:28:47
So. 01:28:50
I would recommend that you keep this on the HRI. 01:28:51
At the very least. 01:28:54
Put it in the neighborhood character category and encourage the owners. 01:28:56
To hire somebody who will respond. 01:29:01
To the historical character forms and architectural features and add an addition. 01:29:04
That respects that. 01:29:11
Next speaker will be Ingle Lorenzen. 01:29:22
Thank you. 01:29:28
Chair and members. 01:29:30
I'm going to definitely. 01:29:33
My very close neighbor, Doctor Vicki Pierce. 01:29:37
And recommend you keep this on the historic resources inventory. 01:29:41
Because as decisions you've made today have shown. 01:29:48
There is no reason that the new or not new owners but recently newer than I am. 01:29:52
Put it. 01:30:00
Can. 01:30:03
Absolutely. 01:30:05
Under the guise of historic resources inventory to to have the change of. 01:30:08
The premises to accommodate their family and their three daughters. 01:30:16
I don't see any constraints on that with keeping it in the Historic resources inventory. 01:30:23
Which it clearly is. 01:30:30
So thank you very much for considering that this. 01:30:33
Keeping it on can encompass all of the above, thank you very much. 01:30:38
Next speaker will be Lee Cy. 01:30:50
Thank you. I believe Page in Turnbull were correct in their assessment of this property and their recommendation to keep it on the 01:30:54
HRI. And I believe that Kent CVS assessment is unjustified. 01:31:01
This is part of the historic fabric of Pacific Grove and. 01:31:11
Modifications can be. 01:31:17
That retain this. 01:31:20
And and integrity of the of. 01:31:24
I hope you will. 01:31:28
Vote to keep it on on the HRI. 01:31:31
I see no other hands raised. 01:31:39
All right. I'm going to close public comment and bring it back for. 01:31:40
Mr. 01:31:49
We don't have a photograph older than. 01:31:52
1930 What was it, 1939? 01:31:57
34. 01:32:01
I wish. 01:32:03
But I'm looking at. 01:32:05
Sanborn maps. 01:32:07
Included in here. 01:32:10
I'm seeing some pretty significant changes. 01:32:14
One era to the next. 01:32:18
The rectangular house in the middle. 01:32:22
It's been added on to on one side there was a covered porch that's no longer there. 01:32:26
Now it's something else. 01:32:33
And. 01:32:35
I think it's changed kid character enough. 01:32:37
That we can't see say that it. 01:32:41
Its original historic. 01:32:44
Integrity. 01:32:48
I think it's changed. 01:32:52
Anyone else like to say something? 01:32:57
Well, Rick, you know, he would know more than I would about the Sanborn map, but when I put from 1934 to the one that's there 01:32:59
today, they look very similar. 01:33:05
I know Mr. Seavey said something about shutters. Well, those come off very. 01:33:11
But other than that. 01:33:16
From 1934 to at least now, they look pretty close. 01:33:18
Well, if we're looking at the Sanborn maps. 01:33:26
The early 1905 and 1914. 01:33:31
It looked relatively the same. And then in 1926 that looks like that was when the front porch went on and there was a little 01:33:35
addition done off the back, but we approve additions off the back of historic houses all the time, so. 01:33:41
I don't think that that should matter. And since this was 1926, it's not like it was 10 years ago. It's been like this for a long 01:33:48
time. 01:33:52
And I just think that it could stay on. Of course what happens is if somebody then modifies it that we later then take them off 01:33:56
the HRI because of modifications. So, but I think you can stay on now as it is and hopefully they can find an architect that could 01:34:02
do a suitable remodel for them. 01:34:07
Let us. 01:34:15
If I was surprised how I like it was from the 1930. 01:34:19
1934 photograph. 01:34:25
It definitely has been changed. 01:34:27
If it's not on the historic resources, it certainly needs to be in the neighborhood character. 01:34:31
On the neighborhood character. 01:34:38
It's always hard to we've got aunt CB versus Paige and Turnbull. It's a difficult one. 01:34:43
I mean, I know that Mister Seabee probably spent a lot more time on it than what I saw with Paige and Turnbull when they were here 01:34:52
doing their survey. 01:34:56
And I believe this survey is an older one. It wasn't the most recent one. Am I correct on that? 01:35:00
Well, it says 1995 on on this one. 01:35:06
And they were here more recently, but. 01:35:09
So I'm inclined to agree that. 01:35:11
That we would remove it but keep it on the neighborhood character list which? 01:35:15
We'll give it, you know, a little bit. 01:35:20
More protection as time goes on. 01:35:23
But I do feel that a lot of the detail has been. 01:35:26
Kind of destroyed and changed, altered et. 01:35:30
So any other comments? 01:35:34
Could we get a motion one way or the other please? 01:35:41
All right. I'll move that we. 01:35:50
Approve the application to remove it from. 01:35:53
Historic inventory, but add it to the. 01:35:57
Neighborhood character list. 01:36:00
Do we have a second? 01:36:02
So moved by steers, seconded by greening. 01:36:08
All in favor say. 01:36:13
I. 01:36:18
I'll say. 01:36:22
Or four eyes. 01:36:24
Didn't she say? 01:36:28
OK, 55 yeses then. Sorry I. 01:36:29
Yeah, here, OK. 01:36:33
We are finished with that item. 01:36:38
And and I'm our staff will reach out to you about the neighborhood character list and we're sort of in process on that but we we. 01:36:40
We'll talk to you about. 01:36:50
OK. All right, we have. 01:36:52
Some time left and we need to move to this next item which is the. 01:36:56
Item number 11. 01:37:00
Regarding the capital improvements, I. 01:37:04
Suggestions. And we do have a staff report, I believe, from Mr. McGowan. 01:37:07
Thank you, Chair An. 01:37:13
Every year, the Public Works Department prepares a capital improvement plan as part of the city's annual budget. 01:37:16
Adopting a capital improvement plan allows systematic and comparative evaluation of multiple potential projects at the same time. 01:37:22
The CIP serves as a public relations and economic development tool and focuses on preserving infrastructure while ensuring 01:37:31
efficient use of public funds. 01:37:36
Additionally, the CIP promotes coordination of projects across city departments and helps identify efforts that may qualify for 01:37:41
alternate funding. 01:37:46
As part of the fiscal year 202425, CIP staff will be soliciting input from respective board members, committees and commissions. 01:37:51
Public Works release the CIP call for projects in mid January to boards, Committees and commissions and anticipates. 01:38:01
Accepting projects until the beginning of March. 01:38:08
Staff recommends the HRC discuss capital improvements as they relate to the Historic Resources Committee and provide a 01:38:12
recommendation to the Public Works Department. Thank you. 01:38:17
Thank you. 01:38:23
I'd like to go out to public comment. 01:38:28
We have any, don't have anybody present. 01:38:31
I see no hands raised. All right, comment. We have 1/1. 01:38:38
Two, sorry. The first speaker will be Anthony Ciani. 01:38:43
Thank you. I think it's really important. 01:38:52
The H. 01:38:56
Either create a committee. 01:38:59
Or offer take suggestions. 01:39:02
Offer suggestions to the Public Works Department. 01:39:06
I'll give you an example. 01:39:10
I think the restrooms. 01:39:12
Crespi. 01:39:17
Could use. 01:39:19
Tender loving care. 01:39:21
I believe they're. 01:39:23
And I think they should be looked after. 01:39:25
And you could be the leaders on. 01:39:28
There are other buildings like. 01:39:31
That. 01:39:34
Even. 01:39:36
Maintenance and repair improvements. 01:39:38
Will make a lot of difference. 01:39:40
If you will. 01:39:44
Or maintain them in their. 01:39:46
Character. 01:39:48
That should go along with landscaping as well. 01:39:51
So many times. 01:39:55
I've noticed in a lot of the reports today. 01:39:58
Landscaping's. 01:40:02
If you look at the national. 01:40:04
The Secretary of Interior Standards Landscaping is a key element and. 01:40:08
Helping define the contributing characteristics of a property. So you should be looking at the historical landscapes. 01:40:13
As well as the buildings themselves. 01:40:21
And how? 01:40:24
You might recommend or find a hire a consultant. A CIP project could be an RFP for consultants to advise you on historical 01:40:27
landscapes. 01:40:33
For example, there are I think 79 trees that the American tin cannery. A lot of them are mature. 01:40:40
Monterey Cypress or. 01:40:49
And surely you could have. 01:40:52
Advise the HRC and the city. 01:40:56
Alternatives to tearing them all down? 01:41:00
That would. 01:41:03
A good project. 01:41:05
I'm sure there's other places in the city you could do the same thing. Thank you for the. 01:41:07
The next speaker will be Lisa. 01:41:24
Thank you. 01:41:29
I'm. I'm. 01:41:32
Sure, how you get to make recommendations before the 1st of March. Maybe that wasn't literally the 1st of March, but since. 01:41:33
Your next meeting won't be till the end of March, but. 01:41:44
There are two things. 01:41:48
The restoring the. 01:41:50
Mural on the rec trail. 01:41:54
At 12th St. I think is approximately where it is, which is. 01:41:58
It's so fascinating to so many visitors and beloved by people living here. 01:42:03
That's needed attention for a long time. I think you even may have recommended that before and that would be a very worthwhile. 01:42:09
In the last touch up that was done, sort of left drip marks all down the. 01:42:22
Down the extent of the mural. 01:42:30
Anyway it needs it needs attention the. 01:42:35
Project that I would like to see and I'm not sure rises to the the 5000 is. I think this is over $5000. 01:42:39
But is the bench in Chase Park, the eastern part of Chase Park that where the the landscaping? 01:42:48
Improvement was done. 01:42:57
There was a. 01:43:01
Delightful rustic old bench that used to seat. 01:43:03
And it was stone supports and and wood across it and. 01:43:06
It was. It was restored it. 01:43:15
By somebody's standards, so that instead of the stone supports, there are stone practically gateposts they're they're very large 01:43:20
and they saved a piece of. 01:43:25
Wood that's carved with the inscription on. 01:43:31
But. 01:43:36
Supports now these. 01:43:38
Gatepost sized supports are so large that there's only room for one person to sit there. 01:43:41
I used to. I used to see frequently on Sunday mornings. I'd seen Jane Haynes who lives across the street, and a friend of hers 01:43:47
would sit there together and have some some sweets sitting on the bench and chatting. But really only one person can fit now and 01:43:54
and the restoration was done so poorly. 01:44:00
And it would be nice to take it back to the charming bench it was and you and they they used. 01:44:07
The the inscribed wood, but it it goes, you know out over the gate posts and not. 01:44:13
Not if it doesn't form the back of the bench. 01:44:20
So, so I hope you might consider that project as well. 01:44:25
Thank you. 01:44:30
I see no other hands raised. I'll close public comment. Bring it back here. 01:44:35
I don't know if anybody has something in mind but. 01:44:42
I have a huge project in mind that I'd like to see. 01:44:45
And put on. 01:44:50
CIP. 01:44:53
The restoration of Chautau. 01:44:54
I mean every, I don't know if you've all read the assessment, but we just, the assessment just got finished a few months ago. 01:44:57
And it was kind of an expensive assessment, but. 01:45:05
It basically showed everything possible that could be done there in the hall that needs to be done. 01:45:09
And at the end of the assessment it gives a priority list. 01:45:16
And the priority is suggested that things be done within one to three years. 01:45:20
And just as examples, the painting of the exterior, which will be huge. 01:45:26
But before that the drainage needs to. 01:45:33
Dealt with the wood decks. If you've been to Chicago lately, you don't even want to go in on the one on Central Ave. because it. 01:45:36
Falling down the deck in front, which is front being 16th St. the deck on the other side 17th. They need to be fixed. 01:45:45
There's some roof work that needs to be done. I noticed that there's a vent cap missing. 01:45:53
Let's get the vent cap. 01:45:59
How hard can that be? The belfry needs to be tended to and. 01:46:01
Obviously there's a lot of interior work eventually, but. 01:46:07
I would like to see. 01:46:10
A big focus on getting the drainage the Dec. 01:46:12
And then hopefully painting the exterior, which is going to require a lot of prep work before that. It's not just a matter of 01:46:18
painting. 01:46:21
But that would be my huge focus that I think we need to, you know, to work on because. 01:46:25
We spent a lot of money getting this, the assessment now we need. 01:46:31
Follow through. 01:46:35
That's my pitch. Excellent suggestion. The acoustics in Chautauqua Hall are terrible. 01:46:38
And I think they could be fixed and nobody's done it. 01:46:45
Nobody's even tried. 01:46:49
OK, lighting and every time I've done a project in Chicago how the lighting is always a challenge, it's guess which switch lights, 01:46:53
which lights. 01:46:58
Yeah, but I think those are things down the road those aren't urgent. I mean my understanding is the the priority, high priority 01:47:04
that the WJ firm came up with. 01:47:10
Is preserving the building from the outside and then dealing with the inside. 01:47:16
But, but I did hear, I mean Crespi Pond, we actually heard that. 01:47:22
Within the last year, I believe Mr. Go came before us, so I have the feeling that's, I hope, in the works. 01:47:28
The mural on the wreck trail that you know, that I know. 01:47:36
I've kind of worked on that a little bit. 01:47:40
Kind of expensive to hire, the artist is still around, but. 01:47:43
He's a little more expensive now than he used to be. 01:47:47
Does anybody else have? 01:47:52
Something. 01:47:54
So I think we're just looking for recommendations and then I think Garrett and I will get together. 01:47:57
This needs to be submitted by the 18th of March so. 01:48:05
There's a bit of urgency too to get this to public works and it will go in with. 01:48:09
Anybody can put in a CIP. If you want you can do it yourself, so I don't know what. 01:48:15
Processes for making those selections in the end. 01:48:21
If you're OK with it, yes. I was just going to say I think the historic landscapes is important, but I think that sort of falls 01:48:25
under the BNRC rather than that and the trees. 01:48:32
Yeah. So could we. I think I'd like a motion. 01:48:40
Give us direction to Can we focus on Chautauqua? Are you all OK with that? I know I'm talking this up. 01:48:46
I think we all agree. I mean it. 01:48:54
It's something we need to preserve and keep. And I'm like you, I walked around it and it there's just so many bad things about it 01:48:57
that. 01:49:01
It needs to be taken care of. And we did spend the money. The city did spend the money to get this done. And now you know I'm 01:49:05
we're going ahead and getting it done. 01:49:10
Can we have a motion? I'm sorry. 01:49:17
Certainly because. 01:49:21
Notice, you know, we watch people looking at that. 01:49:23
Yes it does. 01:49:29
OK, so we could, we could say Chautauqua #1 trail second. 01:49:36
OK, we get a motion to that effect. 01:49:43
I make a motion to put Chicago offers in the Merle Second for the. 01:49:47
The capital improvement program. 01:49:52
2nd. 01:49:55
So Vicket made the motion and greening seconded, and all in favor, Say aye, aye. 01:49:57
50. 01:50:05
Motion passes. 01:50:06
All right. 01:50:09
And thank you, Miss Vaughn, for staying. And Mr. Cedar, thank you for staying. 01:50:10
And I will say the meeting is. 01:50:16
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All right. I'd like to call the Wednesday, February 28th to 2024. 00:00:17
Of the Historic Resources Committee to order. 00:00:23
And may we begin with A roll call, please? 00:00:27
Chair Anton. Present. 00:00:31
Vice chair steers. 00:00:33
Member Green. 00:00:36
Remember Gran? 00:00:38
Remember Bickett? 00:00:40
All Members are present. We have. 00:00:43
Thank you. 00:00:45
The first item of business is the election of officers. 00:00:46
Which is always a little awkward. 00:00:51
But. 00:00:54
So first, I will accept nominations for chair for the following year. 00:00:56
Do we have? 00:01:01
I'd like to nominate Chair Anton. 00:01:02
Thank you second. 00:01:06
Thank you. 00:01:09
Do we need a roll call foot for this? 00:01:10
One of. 00:01:16
Member Gran. 00:01:21
Yes, Vice Chair steers. Yes. 00:01:23
Remember Bickett? 00:01:27
Chair Anton. 00:01:29
Yes. 00:01:30
We have 5 ayes, 0 nays. 00:01:34
Motion passes. 00:01:36
Thank you. Do we have nominations for a vice chair? 00:01:38
I nominate Rick Steers. 00:01:45
I'll second. 00:01:48
The others and we have a roll call. 00:01:51
Member Grannis. 00:01:55
Yes, Chair Anton. 00:01:57
Yes. 00:02:00
Vice chair steers. 00:02:02
Remember Greening? 00:02:05
Member Bickett yes. 00:02:07
Motion passes, Five Eyes, 0 nays. Rick Steers is vice chair. 00:02:09
And now the fun one. Do we have nominations for secretary? 00:02:16
Including staff take care of it as we have been. 00:02:25
If if that's OK, is a good solution. 00:02:29
Hearing no nominations. 00:02:36
Yes, staff will take care of it. 00:02:39
All right. We'll take care of it, OK? 00:02:41
All right. Thank you. 00:02:43
All right. May we will move to item two. May we have. 00:02:45
Vote for approval of the. 00:02:51
I mean a. 00:02:53
Motion. 00:02:55
So moved. Thank you. 00:02:58
I'll second. 00:03:00
So it was moved by. 00:03:03
Steers seconded by greening. 00:03:05
May we have a roll call, please? Vice Chair Ste. 00:03:08
I remember greening. 00:03:12
Remember. 00:03:16
Yes. Remember Bickett? 00:03:18
Chair. 00:03:21
Aye 5 aye's zero nays, motion passes. 00:03:23
Thank you. All right, we'll move to committee and staff announcements. 00:03:28
I'll start with committee announcement. Just. 00:03:34
Future. 00:03:37
Because of the complications with both Thanksgiving and Christmas, just like this last year. 00:03:39
We're going to have the meetings a week early. 00:03:45
So if you want to, I mean we'll remind you later, but the November meeting will be on the 20th of November. 00:03:48
At 1:00. 00:03:54
And the December meeting will be on the 18th. 00:03:57
Also at 1:00. 00:04:01
And do we have staff announcements? 00:04:09
We do have some couple announcements. 00:04:16
We're excited to share that. 00:04:19
The Comprehensive Building Assessment Report for the Chicago Hall is now complete. 00:04:22
The City of Pacific Grove contracted. 00:04:27
With. 00:04:31
Elsner Associates to conduct this vital assessment as part of the city's capital improvement plan, aiming to provide valuable 00:04:33
insights for maintenance and future enhancements, including potential interior improvements. 00:04:40
This assessment is available on the city's web page. 00:04:47
Thank you. 00:04:52
Anything else? 00:04:54
Thank you, Chair Anton, Karen Vaughn, Community Development Director. I just wanted to mention a few things. First of all, there 00:05:02
is a scheduled City Council budget meeting here in the chambers starting at 6:00. 00:05:09
So I wanted to make sure that we were all cognizant of the time tonight. 00:05:17
And then also at a recent City Council meeting, the city attorney's office advised. 00:05:21
That roll call votes are not required for every item you. Typically A roll call vote is needed when one or more members are 00:05:28
participating remotely. 00:05:33
So that we can accurately record each vote. But when all the members of a border committee are here and in person, you don't need 00:05:39
to conduct a roll call vote for each item. So I will leave it up to you Chair Anton how you want to continue with that or not, but 00:05:46
just wanted to advise that it's not necessary. 00:05:52
Thank you. 00:06:00
Where next we would invite our mayor to come our council liaison? Thank you for being here. 00:06:08
Heard a recommendation on parklets and endorsed extending a sidewalk out over the parking area for parklets to be built or 00:06:26
rebuilt. 00:06:33
Councillor approved a first read of an ordinance reducing the your committee to five people. 00:06:42
Yeah, By the way, I had another committee just tell me, oh, we want to go to five. 00:06:51
We heard an update on the the housing element. 00:06:57
And a mid year budget. 00:07:01
And then tonight, as you just heard, we have a council meeting starting at 6:00. We'll be hearing about the status of goals as 00:07:05
well as a budget workshop. 00:07:12
And then next week, the main item will be the California Voting Rights Act. And as you may know, there's. 00:07:19
Been a person that has requested. 00:07:31
The city to move into to do. 00:07:37
District voting. 00:07:40
And so we're going to be. 00:07:41
About that process and. 00:07:43
Potential impacts. 00:07:48
And we'll be talking about city manager recruiting in closed session. 00:07:50
That's all. 00:07:55
Thank you for coming. 00:07:56
I. 00:07:59
All right. I'm going to open now to general public comment. 00:08:03
And this general public comment must deal with matters that are subject to the jurisdiction of the city and to this committee. 00:08:08
And for items that are not on the regular. 00:08:16
And our general allowances for three minutes, so I'll open first to public comment from anybody that's present. 00:08:19
Anybody like to speak, please come. 00:08:27
Seeing none, do we have anybody in our virtual audience? 00:08:32
I'll allow Engle, Lawrence and Dahmer to speak. 00:08:38
Thank you very much. 00:08:44
As of right now, and since the beginning of this meeting, you are all. 00:08:47
Zoom participants in the great Ethernet because there's no camera in the chambers. That's on all we have seen. 00:08:52
This is City Sale. Thank you. Lo and behold, you're here. Good to see you. 00:09:00
Thank you very much. That's kind of an important. 00:09:07
Aspect of these meetings. Thank you very much. 00:09:11
All right. The next speaker will be Anthony. 00:09:34
Good afternoon. 00:09:39
I've attended a few of these meetings over the last several years, and one. 00:09:42
Common denominators has been. 00:09:47
Notion. 00:09:50
Changes to property overtime. 00:09:52
And. 00:09:56
One of the classic ones is the concern about. 00:09:57
Porches that get filled in or glassed in become sun porches. 00:10:01
Out of the weather porches or maybe bedrooms? 00:10:06
New. 00:10:09
Other ones are. 00:10:12
The property may have been built in one year and then. 00:10:15
Ten years later, an addition was made or an alteration. 00:10:19
Maybe even 20 years. 00:10:22
And it's been my observation. 00:10:25
All over California, where I've. 00:10:27
And even in Colorado. 00:10:30
That changes to buildings does not necessarily. 00:10:32
Reduce their. 00:10:37
Architectural or historical importance? 00:10:39
An example that I can think of is tent. 00:10:42
Like Coronado, La Jolla L. 00:10:46
Even. 00:10:50
Overtime got. 00:10:52
To simple cottages where the tents. 00:10:54
The cloth tents. 00:10:58
Covered with boards and boards and patents. 00:11:01
Shingles and sometimes the fabrics left. 00:11:04
Side the build. 00:11:06
That didn't reduce the integrity of those. 00:11:08
Of the property or the Oracle significance? 00:11:11
And that's been proven by. 00:11:16
Designations. 00:11:17
A Cellamar is a good example. It was built. 00:11:20
1913 and 1928. 00:11:23
Got design. 00:11:27
On a national. 00:11:29
And in 2028, years later, Carl Warneke added seven buildings. 00:11:31
In. 00:11:37
2022 Those seven buildings were added to the National Register. 00:11:40
So. 00:11:45
Necessarily cause the architecture to be frozen in time. 00:11:49
Or the history to be frozen in time? 00:11:54
And I think it's important to keep that in mind. 00:11:57
When we're. 00:12:00
Potential. 00:12:01
And other proper. 00:12:04
As you go through your agendas. 00:12:06
Thank you very much. 00:12:09
I see. I see no other hands raised. 00:12:19
All right. 00:12:22
Let's move on to the consent agenda, which only contains one item, the Minutes. 00:12:24
We have a motion to approve. 00:12:31
So moved. Thank you. 00:12:34
Steers moved, pickets seconded. All in favor. Say aye, aye. 00:12:37
All right, that passed by 50. 00:12:46
Is that how you want me to? 00:12:49
OK. 00:12:51
Have to retrain. 00:12:54
All right. We're on now to the regular agenda. It will begin with item 8A. 00:12:56
Architectural permit and coastal development permit for 107 14th St. 00:13:02
We do have an. 00:13:10
Oh, that's right. We have two people that need to recuse Thank you for. 00:13:12
Reminding me of that. 00:13:15
Just for the audience that if you live within a. 00:13:21
Distance of a project, which they do, they must. 00:13:24
So, Mr. Cedar, I don't know if you want to speak to this, but we know that there is an issue with. 00:13:36
The. 00:13:42
Both the notification. 00:13:45
Or the notice that was posted. 00:13:47
And whether what? We don't know what happened to it and we also have an issue with. 00:13:50
Sort of the timeline of the story polls being erected. 00:13:56
So I know for first. 00:13:59
I went out on Saturday to take a look at the property and I saw no notice. 00:14:02
And I. 00:14:07
Polls, but I there was number netting or anything. 00:14:09
And so. 00:14:13
Kind of feel for me that that that would be difficult to really. 00:14:14
Check into this project with without all the information that I would need. 00:14:19
And I'm not sure if that was the case with. 00:14:24
Co members. 00:14:27
Yes, I felt the same way and I do think that. 00:14:30
Isn't it actually written down that that has to be done? 00:14:33
So those are the rules. 00:14:37
Yes. Would you like it or not? 00:14:40
That's how it's always been. 00:14:43
Right, so my inclination on this. 00:14:46
Address is to continue the project until next month and give time for proper notification and to. 00:14:50
Well, the polls are up now, but they were not up, you know, in the timely manner. 00:14:58
So we are a committee of three, but I think. 00:15:04
And we have a motion to continue this item to next meeting. Yeah, I'll move that. We continue it to next meeting. 00:15:11
I second it. 00:15:18
And if we all vote yes? 00:15:20
Would you like to speak first? 00:15:25
I just wanted to ask if you would like to allow public comment on the continuance. 00:15:28
On the motion to continue or. 00:15:35
Or not, I'm happy to allow public. 00:15:38
Just come. 00:15:46
We haven't voted. 00:15:48
Good afternoon, committee members. My name is John Moore, the building designer on the project, and we'd like to have it continued 00:15:52
anyway. But I'd just like to say that we received a notice on the 16th. 00:15:57
Of February that there will be hearing today and typically most people use Steve Babcock for flagpole and takes you know anywhere 00:16:03
from. 00:16:07
Two to four weeks depending on his timing. So when we received that we had about. 00:16:12
Two days to get the flagging up so the owner himself. 00:16:16
And we had to do it. The owner had to do it. Thank you. All right. Thank you for. 00:16:46
Is there other public? 00:16:51
Virtual public comment. 00:16:54
The next speaker will be Anthony Cian. 00:16:57
Thank you very much. 00:17:03
I agree with the timing was sort of strange about the. 00:17:06
Story polls and the netting and I would just ask the. 00:17:12
Or the the board to ask the applicant. 00:17:17
To put the netting across. 00:17:20
For the. 00:17:22
So the. 00:17:24
That I've. 00:17:25
It kind of depicts the hips of the new addition. 00:17:27
But I think it's important to have those who. 00:17:31
Lines drawn by the netting to get sort of a forward picture. 00:17:37
Of the volume of the building. Thank you. 00:17:42
Thank you. 00:17:47
That it. 00:17:52
I see no other hands raised. All right, I'll close public comments and bring it back here for a vote. 00:17:58
So all in favor of continuing this until next month? 00:18:05
Say aye. 00:18:10
All right. All right. That's a three. 00:18:11
Thank you. I'm sorry. 00:18:16
Things. 00:18:19
OK, the next. 00:18:21
Is for 625 Joule and this time I have to recuse myself. 00:18:23
And so vice. 00:18:29
Steers will take. 00:18:32
Yes.