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Climate Action and Adaptation Planning Subcommittee meeting. 00:00:02
I'd like to call the meeting. 00:00:05
And due to the vacancy in our chair and chairperson. 00:00:07
Positions the 1st order of business. 00:00:12
Will be to. 00:00:15
And. 00:00:17
So in order to do that, we will be asking for nominations for the office of chair to start with. 00:00:24
And members of the subcommittee may nominate themselves or any other member of the subcommittee. No second is required once 00:00:31
nominations are complete. 00:00:34
Steph liaison will close nominations, announce the slate of nominees and call for a vote. 00:00:38
On the nominees in the order of nomination, each voting member of the subcommittee will have one. 00:00:43
The nominee receiving votes from a majority of the subcommittee in attendance. 00:00:48
Declared the. 00:00:53
If no member receives a majority of the process shall be repeated. 00:00:54
Except in the event of a tie between the two vote getters, in which case a runoff shall be held. 00:00:58
The winner shall assume the chair the office of chair immediately. 00:01:03
And once a chair is declared, staff later done will cease running a subcommittee meeting, turning the duty over to the chair. 00:01:06
And using the same procedure, the new chair shall secure the election. 00:01:12
Vice chair and secretary. 00:01:17
Then it's timely that we're doing this in February when boards and commissions typically elect chairs for the year and also 00:01:20
because we have vacancies. So with that I'll open the floor to you guys for. 00:01:25
Nominations. 00:01:31
Make a nomination. 00:01:33
Please nominate Laurie McDonald Service. 00:01:35
Do we have any further nominations? 00:01:44
Without further nominations, I'll take A roll call vote. 00:01:49
Or William McDonald as chair. 00:01:53
Council member Clady Aye, Council member. 00:01:56
Council member. 00:02:00
Commissioner. 00:02:04
Commissioner Gorman. 00:02:07
Motion carries. 00:02:09
50 And congratulations Council Member McDonald as our new chair. 00:02:11
I was not at all prepared for this, so oh, thank you. 00:02:21
This helps sign up a paper version. 00:02:26
So bearing in mind what you said before, this means that we are now up for chair for I mean for elections for vice chair. 00:02:30
So anybody who would like to submit nominations for Vice Chair, please and excuse me if you don't mind an interruption. We do have 00:02:39
one other subcommittee member, Kathy Wooten, who is not in attendance tonight. So just to include her in any possible exploration 00:02:44
of possible. 00:02:49
Thank you for that. 00:02:56
That was the timely comment because I'm going to nominate Kathy for vice chair. I talked to her about it. She's fine with that. 00:02:57
Thank you. 00:03:05
OK. Do you have any? 00:03:08
OK. Roll call vote please. 00:03:11
Councilmember Coll. 00:03:14
Aye, Council Member Padre I Councilmember McDonnell, aye. 00:03:15
Commissioner. 00:03:20
Hi and Commissioner. 00:03:21
Gorman. 00:03:23
Motion carries 50. Congratulations to Mrs. Our New Vice Chair. 00:03:25
And George, can you remind me if we need to elect a secretary, I think that would be fantastic. The current secretary is 00:03:33
Commissioner Myers. 00:03:36
We can either keep that or elect a new person. 00:03:41
As long as she's good with that, we're good with that. I'm good with that. OK, great. Thank you. 00:03:47
So having never done this before, it looks like our next item is general public comment unless I have missed something. 00:03:56
Do we have any general public? 00:04:13
In the audience. 00:04:15
I do not believe. And we have no virtual hands raised. OK, thank you. 00:04:18
Oh, sorry, I did miss subcommittee and staff announcements. 00:04:25
Did we have anybody who had, oh, sorry, I guess we should have started with approval of the agenda or was that already done? 00:04:29
It was not correct because we didn't have a chair yet. Correct. OK. So then in that case, if I could please back up and get 00:04:35
approval of the agenda. 00:04:39
Second all in favor, aye? 00:04:46
Motion carries. 00:04:49
OK. Thank you. And then any subcommittee and staff announcements? 00:04:51
All right. 00:04:58
We did general public comment out of order, but we did that already and the next thing would be approval of the minutes from the 00:05:00
August 2023 meeting. 00:05:05
Yep, that's appears to be all. Unless everybody wants to do well. Yeah, that's the only thing on consent agenda. So can I have a 00:05:12
motion for approval of the minutes, please? Motion to approve. 00:05:16
Thank you all in favor. 00:05:23
Aye. 00:05:25
Any opposed? 00:05:27
Motion carries. Thank you. 00:05:31
So on to the regular agenda. We've already done the election of officers, so 6A is down. So next we have a presentation from Lacey 00:05:34
Rock. I hope I'm pronouncing that correct. 00:05:39
From California Green Business Network. 00:05:46
Thank you so much. 00:05:51
Just one moment and I'll queue it up. 00:05:54
As he brings the presentation up, I'll just introduce myself a little bit and give you a little context as to who I am and why I'm 00:05:57
here. So as you mentioned, my name is Lacey Rock. I'm serving as a consultant actually for the California Green Business Network 00:06:03
right now, helping them to garner support in our region to ensure that this program continues. 00:06:10
So I'll talk a little bit about the program, but I'm a Monterey Bay Area local. I live in Seaside and I actually served as chair 00:06:16
of the Seaside Environmental Commission for quite a few years, helping to pass their plastics ordinance and and do some other 00:06:22
great things with parks. So thank you for the time that you volunteer and dedicate your community. I know personally that that it 00:06:28
can take a lot sometimes. So thank you. 00:06:34
And it looks like the presentation is up. I've been working on this program for a few months, but I have a colleague with me, 00:06:41
Jackie, and Jackie does a lot of the on the ground talking to businesses. So she'll be able to back me up if you have any 00:06:47
questions or anything that I'm not able to answer. 00:06:53
All right, if you want to go to the first. 00:07:00
Or the second slide rather. 00:07:03
So the California Green Business Network is kind of exactly what you might imagine it doing. It provides free technical and 00:07:05
financial assistance focusing specifically on small and medium sized businesses using sort of an easy to use checklist and 00:07:13
framework to help walk businesses through what they can do to improve their environmental performance in a variety of categories. 00:07:20
And then they celebrate those businesses. So recognizing those accomplishments, getting them additional customers and attention 00:07:28
through media and social media. We had a great event last Wednesday in Salinas that highlighted a lot of the businesses in the 00:07:35
area that have recently been certified and they had a great news clip from Univision because so many of the businesses that were 00:07:42
certified were Spanish speaking. So it was just really great to have that extra promotion for those businesses. 00:07:48
You can go to the next. 00:07:56
So these are some of the elements that are considered when we think about a green business of reducing water and energy 00:08:00
conservation, commuting sustainably. 00:08:05
Preventing pollution, not using toxic cleaners, avoiding waste. 00:08:10
Materials recycling and also hiring of local vendors, so supporting the community in that way as well and the economics of the 00:08:15
community. 00:08:19
Next. 00:08:23
So if you're not familiar, this is what the certification process might be. If you're a business owner, you might voluntarily go 00:08:27
to this website and say you know what I want. I want to improve my environmental performance. You can self register. 00:08:33
Also folks like Jackie and colleagues Brian, they might knock on your door, they might say, hey, is this something you might be 00:08:41
interested in so that that initial. 00:08:46
Impact of having person to person conversations, we found, is really, really powerful, especially when there's so much confusion 00:08:52
around local ordinances, state ordinances, what you should do, what you shouldn't do. 00:08:58
And then step three is audits from partners. So we'll work with Regen or three CE to help make sure that businesses are getting 00:09:06
some of the benefits that might be available through these other regional partners. 00:09:13
And then we work on the implementation of the measures. There's no business that would go through the checklist and not have to do 00:09:22
something, you know, so the businesses that are certified are making tangible changes to improve the environmental performance of 00:09:27
their businesses. 00:09:32
And then a staff member such as Jackie will walk through and do a final site visit and verification before it's official and we 00:09:38
start promoting the business. 00:09:43
Next slide. 00:09:50
So these are the areas when you're going through the checklist that you might get questions about or need to have improvements. 00:09:53
Done. If you were a business, energy, pollution prevention solid waste, transportation, wastewater, water and communities and and 00:10:00
when you look at these you can kind of see where they might overlap with the interests of this committee committee. 00:10:06
Which I'll talk about more, but you know, if you're focusing on climate action planning, there's lots of areas in in here where it 00:10:12
would have some overlap. 00:10:15
Our next slide. 00:10:20
So expanding out beyond our local Monterey Bay area, the California Green Business Network is active across the state. So you can 00:10:23
see in this slide sort of where we have a strong presence where we're continuing to grow. 00:10:30
One thing that's really challenging is that the funding fluctuates from year to year and the Monterey County program has primarily 00:10:39
been supported by state funding. So the work that we have been able to do has been because we've used state funding or grant 00:10:45
funding to provide the staff that that do this work. 00:10:51
With some matching local contributions, so some cities have given. 00:10:58
Contributions in the past. 00:11:04
Next slide. 00:11:07
So I talked about this is the Monterey County program. We have 109 active green businesses. 00:11:09
One thing that I love to share that over 20 businesses have enrolled on their own without any interest or without any outreach, 00:11:16
which really sort of shows the interest of businesses in doing this. 00:11:20
Next. 00:11:26
And then this is just the impact. So businesses that are enter or that go through this process, whether they achieve certification 00:11:29
or not, the measures that they take are tracked within what's called the Green Biz tracker. And so that calculates all of the 00:11:36
impacts across these different areas. And so if as if a community like PG participated and they had a climate action plan and they 00:11:44
had to measure what, you know they were doing to mitigate. 00:11:51
Or to to act upon. 00:12:00
The effects of climate change. This could be a tool for doing that because you'd be able to run a report and see, wow, we reduced 00:12:03
X number of gallons of fuel from these businesses taking this measure. So this is what I. 00:12:10
Has. 00:12:18
The impacts in Monterey County just in 2023 alone. 00:12:20
Next slide. 00:12:27
So one of the challenges, as I was mentioning, is funding. 00:12:30
And. 00:12:35
This is the map of what the the future could be. Unfortunately I'm I'm guessing as you're engaged in. 00:12:36
In local politics and governance, you know that the state is facing a severe budget deficit and that's being felt across the board 00:12:44
and it's being felt by our program as well. So we. 00:12:50
Will likely be losing $2.4 million, which is a significant part of our budget this year. 00:12:58
Which means that the areas in yellow. 00:13:05
Where we have provided staff to support, we won't be able to provide that support anymore. 00:13:09
So as a result, that is why I'm here. That is why I have been reaching out to folks like George and all of the all of his 00:13:17
counterparts across these different jurisdictions. I've had conversations with everyone from the County of Monterey to Regent to 00:13:23
Carmel to Seaside to Salinas. Really trying to. 00:13:30
To create a regional program to ensure that this this network stays active in our community. 00:13:37
Next slide please. 00:13:45
So my goal is to raise 150K which will keep our staff here and it will provide all of the benefits that I described earlier. And 00:13:49
those benefits will be be felt by communities, businesses, regional organizations like 3 CE as well as customers. 00:13:58
Next, I think the next few slides I'm not going to. 00:14:07
Go through in detail because there's a lot. Oh wait, I'll do this one. And then I'll. I'll skip through the ones that are more 00:14:11
dense with content. I wanted to show a little bit about how the Green Business Network overlaps with climate action measures. So 00:14:17
I. 00:14:22
That's part of what this committee is charged with doing. It's a major aspect of your work. So I looked at the county's draft 00:14:27
Climate Action and Adaptation Plan and some of their draft measures in their technical. 00:14:34
Memo and so you can see that. 00:14:41
The areas that are showing common CAP measures, those are things. 00:14:45
Are put into their climate action and adaptation. 00:14:50
To achieve reductions. 00:14:54
And those also overlap with the categories of the green Business Network and questions that are asked of businesses and support 00:14:57
that is given to businesses. 00:15:01
OK. Next slide. 00:15:08
These are the really dense ones that I won't read, but I wanted to share so you could review on your own and really just notice 00:15:12
how there's benefits across a wide spectrum to the businesses themselves. Like I was saying, I'm just navigating all the different 00:15:19
compliance requirements and most of the time when you talk to businesses, they want to do the right thing, right? They're not. 00:15:27
Actively trying to do the wrong thing, but they might need a little bit of help because it's confusing. 00:15:35
And so that's one thing that this program does. 00:15:42
And then benefits to the communities as well. When I was talking to an elected official from the City of Seaside, one thing that 00:15:45
really struck him about the value of this program was he was like, so often we talk about working across boundaries and doing all 00:15:51
this stuff collaborative, collaboratively, but never quite get there on a lot of things. But he saw this as a great opportunity to 00:15:57
do that. 00:16:03
And one of the things that helps promote that sort of teamwork across the region is that there are quarterly meetings to engage 00:16:11
stakeholders. So for example on February 29th. 00:16:17
Jackie is putting together a great program for all the partners that are part of this in the Monterey Bay area. And the focus will 00:16:24
be on SB54, which is a new law that will probably be impacting a lot of communities and businesses. And so it really helps people 00:16:31
to be connected through that network, but also to know what's going on in, in other areas of the state. 00:16:38
Next slide. 00:16:46
Yeah, that is the one that is focusing on. 00:16:48
Plastics. 00:16:54
And I'm blanking on it right now. Jackie, can you help me remember? Yeah, so it is, actually. 00:16:55
Putting the responsibility of these non recyclable products and single these items, if you remind, could you say that right into 00:17:02
the microphone just for the benefit of the people in the virtual audience and for the recording and we really appreciate it. Sorry 00:17:06
to interrupt. 00:17:11
So S 354 focuses or will be focusing on excited interrupting a bit. I think the best thing for everybody is if you go about a fist 00:17:16
distance to the microphone and just talk, talk normal. They're really finicky and I appreciate your cooperation. 00:17:23
Yeah, so SB54 focuses on putting the responsibility of non recyclable or compostable items onto the producers of said single use 00:17:30
items. So yeah, if you're all invited to this meeting, if you want to come by, it's going to be focusing on how that's going to 00:17:38
impact local municipalities and their policies specifically on food wear ordinances that. 00:17:46
May not align with SB54, but we'll be learning more there. 00:17:54
That is February 29th at 12:30 in Watsonville. Since it is a Monterey Bay area wide program or meeting, we want to put it in, make 00:18:01
it in a spot where everybody has somewhat equal distance from there. George joined us last time. It will be in the same place if 00:18:09
you want to come by, but yeah, anybody's welcome. 00:18:16
And we will be providing lunch. 00:18:23
Thank you, Jackie. 00:18:26
Thank you. Good question. Yeah, I talk about it a lot, but I've never. 00:18:28
Reinforced it, I guess. 00:18:33
All right. Next. 00:18:37
So supporting partner benefits, one, you know, I was mentioning 3 CE region or your local hauler, they have a lot of incentives. 00:18:41
And so this provides an opportunity for them to actually get those programs impacted as well. And then and then customers 00:18:48
confidence in the operations of the businesses. And for me personally, when I was thinking about this, I was thinking, oh, maybe 00:18:55
it means I won't have such a crowded drawer full of single use spoons. 00:19:02
Forks. Condiments, like. I feel like we all have those. 00:19:10
So can get rid of some of that if businesses change some of their practices. 00:19:13
Next slide. 00:19:19
Right, so this is my ask is to. 00:19:22
Request that that you consider supporting the California Green Business Network. 00:19:28
And one one ask that I'm sort of starting with is for each jurisdiction to contribute 15,000 to ensure that this program continues 00:19:34
to operate and then? 00:19:40
I can provide George or the new chair. 00:19:47
With information on the scope of work and more details about what that means. 00:19:53
But hopefully now you all have a better idea of what the program is, how it might be able to benefit specifically the work of this 00:19:58
group and the city of Pacific Grove overall. 00:20:03
So with that, I think I'll just wait until there might be some questions after public comment. 00:20:09
So with that said, we'll go to public comment first. 00:20:17
Any any online? 00:20:23
With no virtual hands raised. 00:20:27
OK. Thank you. 00:20:29
Then I will open it up for discussion and. 00:20:31
By the committee sub. 00:20:35
I do have one question. I know you mentioned some of the businesses have found you on their own. Do we know if there are any 00:20:38
Pacific Grove businesses that have, I don't know, do you know, Jackie, if there's any in Pacific Grove? 00:20:44
Yes, come closer. Come join me. 00:20:51
So we currently have one certified business. We used to have a lot more. But one thing that I was mentioning to Lacey is that when 00:20:56
we've been focused on using state funds, we've actually been trying to focus on the areas where we have other means of funds. So 00:21:01
for example, in Seaside, we were helping them separately with their food wear ordinance outreach. So that's where my personal 00:21:07
focus was because I was already in the area. I was taking advantage of the fact that I was going to every single food facility in 00:21:13
the city. 00:21:19
And offering this program. So currently there aren't many businesses in Pacific Row, but that has to do with the fact that we 00:21:25
haven't done door to door outreach and the businesses that have signed up on their own sometimes don't get back to us to actually 00:21:31
confirm their interest. They oftentimes sign up to learn more information, but. 00:21:37
So we don't know about those specific 20, if any of them are in PG. 00:21:46
Thanks for the presentation. I appreciate it. 00:21:54
The the contribution rate of 15,000 that you mentioned, how do we know which organizations? 00:21:57
Kind of like jurisdictions that are participating, is there, is that something that you maintain and provide? Yeah, Yep. So 00:22:05
because of where we are in the budget cycle right now, I've all of the conversations that I've had, there's been a lot of interest 00:22:11
and support, but most people are voting on their budgets in May. 00:22:17
And so we won't have solid like this city is giving this much until after those decisions are made. But 15,000 is the majority 00:22:23
sort of base level. There are two groups that are looking at 20,000 and one much smaller city that's looking at a lower amount. 00:22:33
And and for my benefit, the 15,000 goes to a pool of money. The pool of money is used towards businesses throughout the county, 00:22:42
not specific to Pacific Grove. 00:22:47
If Pacific Grove gives, then you're guaranteed that somebody will be going door to door in your community. OK, but if you don't, 00:22:53
contribute. 00:22:58
That likelihood will probably be a lot lower because they'll be focusing on areas that have contributed, OK and this and this. 00:23:03
Technically speaking, the certification process. 00:23:12
It's a continuous effort, right, Because you got to be doing this all the time. Yeah. Is that how it operates? Yeah. There's 00:23:16
recertification. Your certification is valid for four years. So after that period, you'd be contacted for recertification. And so 00:23:22
much changes, actually in four years. And some of the programs and incentives that might be available also change. So often it's 00:23:28
not just like. 00:23:34
Re You know, click click, click, click OK Recertified, there are additional steps or benefits that you can have. 00:23:41
OK and. 00:23:49
Does the business. 00:23:50
So if it's a small business, does the business have to pay to get certified? 00:23:53
No, the business does not pay to get certified. Actually, a lot of times they receive funding, so the state funding and a lot of 00:23:57
the grants have specific allocations for supporting businesses. 00:24:04
There's an example from Seaside which is just where I'm more familiar with. 00:24:12
Where Reds Donuts went through and changed their. 00:24:17
Single use items to reusable. 00:24:22
And so they were given an allotment to help with that transition and and it can be different business to business. So you know for 00:24:25
one business that it might be we need to actually buy the cups, right. And others might be you know what, we have some cups that 00:24:33
we can get, but we don't have shelving to it like store the cups. So they might give that money to putting in shelving. 00:24:40
So it differs a little bit business by business, OK. The last, I'm sorry to grill it the. 00:24:48
Is this something that the city can participate in or is it just? 00:24:55
Free energy changes. 00:25:34
And then we have turned the tide which is an expansion of the program that we had in Seaside that provides food facilities, free 00:25:36
reusables and daycare facilities with non-toxic cleaning products. So that's what she's talking about when it's very specific 00:25:43
because if it's a daycare anywhere in the county, we'd be able to provide those funds, food facilities, same thing, but if it's an 00:25:51
office, we might not have those same type of resources, whereas the simplified savings does apply to all small businesses. 00:25:58
But yes, we're actually having a big push right now with a lot of our partners in other counties that are getting their facilities 00:26:05
certified. The City of Watsonville and San Benito County departments are going through the process because they are really 00:26:12
interested in leading by example since a lot of the time that is one thing that we got from businesses asking what the city or 00:26:18
what the county is doing. 00:26:24
And they want to definitely be able to have that as a backup for when we talk to the businesses and send them their way, OK. 00:26:31
This is very helpful and one final question for me because I've actually heard and maybe I'm just. 00:26:39
Mixing up a lot of things here, but I've heard similar endeavors from other organizations. There are some websites that they 00:26:46
provide, et cetera, and I can recollect the the name of the last organization that kind of like had a similar and not exactly 00:26:51
similar, but it sounded similar. 00:26:57
So and then we do have Blue Zones here where Blue Zones working towards some certification. How do these all like tie up like 00:27:02
that's a good question. 00:27:07
So I'm not sure what the first one you were mentioning was. I know that ecology action out of. 00:27:13
Yeah, they have a program right now that they're pushing that focuses on residential so programs, so getting community members to 00:27:20
serve partner. 00:27:24
Build a group and sort. 00:27:30
Make commitments individually to do things that will reduce greenhouse gas emissions in their home. 00:27:33
So ours of course is just focused on businesses or offices and the Blue Zones actually they really dovetail nicely. I reached out 00:27:40
to the Director of Blue Zones and I didn't show it, but we got their logo just to show that they are supporting partner in this. 00:27:50
So they certify restaurants, but they're looking at a little bit of a different. 00:28:01
I. 00:28:07
Goal in their certification, you know it's it's the food specifically that they're serving, whereas we're looking more at 00:28:09
operations of the business. 00:28:14
OK, so just just. 00:28:19
I'm not gonna grill you anymore so I just for just for. So Blue Zones does have an office kind of work kind of component too. 00:28:21
And I believe that's something that was approached or at least we have some kind of like tie up there. So, so just letting you 00:28:30
know. So when you're talking about city wanting to participate, there seems to be more than One Ave. where the city can say we are 00:28:35
certified in a certain manner. 00:28:40
Yeah, yeah. I think if the city, so let's just say hypothetically. 00:28:45
PG was like, yes, we are going to do all of this. We're going to get Blue Zone certified. We're going to get green business 00:28:51
certified. There might be some areas of overlap and that's OK, but. 00:28:56
What would probably be a little bit different is that. 00:29:02
We, as green business certification would be looking at your lights and we do a waste audit so we could see, OK, how much of your 00:29:06
waste stream is actually trash versus recycling versus compost. Blue Zones might do something like, hey, let's get a walking. 00:29:13
Moi I think is what they're called a walking group together so that at lunch we go for a walk and sort of support that that 00:29:22
Wellness aspect. So there's there might, if it's a Venn diagram, there might be a little bit that overlaps, but there's also a lot 00:29:28
that are pretty unique to the different programs. 00:29:34
Thank you. You know relevance I heard when, but yes, thank you. 00:29:41
Yes, please. Yeah. So just, I always like to talk about schools because that's one of my focus. And it's also a great example of 00:29:46
how we dive into everything. And the reason I say that is because I've looked into other certifications, but they're pretty 00:29:52
limited on what they do. So like restaurants where they'll focus on what's inside the kitchen. But looking at a school, we look at 00:29:57
everything. We look at their cafeteria, see if there's any single use items that we can replace. Of course, that depends on the 00:30:03
district. 00:30:08
But we look at that, we look at what's in the classroom, what the teachers can do, but we go above that. We involve the kids in 00:30:15
the certification, make sure that they're learning everything that there is to to take in from the certification. And then 00:30:22
sometimes if the school is interested, we'll do these presentations to the parents at back to school nights or you know, wrapping 00:30:29
up the year just to have this be a community impact. And that's something that we've been focusing on, whether that's. 00:30:36
Making sure that we go through and try to have more equitable goals in our program. Reaching out to the Spanish speaking 00:30:43
businesses and again the kids because they are the future. So yeah, those are my two big focuses of over the past two years and 00:30:50
even though I've been limited in the areas that I've been working in, I would love to expand that to. 00:30:57
Other cities and everywhere in the county. 00:31:04
Yeah. 00:31:07
Thank you I so it sounds. 00:31:11
Your main. 00:31:14
Areas of focus or outreach and consulting. 00:31:17
With the presumed expectation that there will be certification at the end. 00:31:21
So we're we're new as far as getting our Climate Action and Adaptation plan started. So. 00:31:27
There won't be much opportunity for outreach on that right away. 00:31:34
And I'm going to circle back to that, but we do have a plastic ordinance that the BNRC is brought forward. 00:31:38
And how can you explain some outreach you may be able to perform in that regard? Do you do you plug into Chambers of Commerce? How 00:31:45
do you, how do you network into the business community to see that that's effective? Yeah. So we we try every Ave. because every 00:31:53
community is different. We have some that, you know will reach out straight to the chambers. They'll want to partner with us. San 00:32:01
Benito County is one of the examples I use often because the partnership we have with the chamber is the the best. 00:32:09
We have in in our area that I've worked with, so it really depends. In Watsonville it's a lot of door to door knocking, mostly 00:32:17
because it's the Spanish speaking community that's not as plugged into the technology aspect or social media sometimes, but we 00:32:25
really do try to focus on what the community needs are and plugging in all of the resources so for. 00:32:33
You know, there's a lot of laws that these businesses have to abide by. So when we do a food wear ordinance outreach, we connect 00:32:42
that to our, well, actually different sections because that goes into our solid waste making sure that they're reducing their 00:32:49
their trash or their organics or making sure that they're diverting their waste properly. When we're talking about SB 1383 and 00:32:55
that's actually connecting back. We actually had a meeting with Salinas Valley Recycles and we are in the works to get their 00:33:02
backup for this program. 00:33:08
So for them, one of the focuses that we're going to have is going to be on SV 1383 and making sure that with our outreach, we let 00:33:15
the businesses know, educate them on what laws they have to abide by and connect them to Salinas Valley Recycles who is able to 00:33:23
provide them with the bins that they may need to change out. The it's called right sizing. But to change out the size of their 00:33:31
bins, if maybe they're able to recycle and compost a lot more than their garbage can go down and they can save money. 00:33:38
But what we found is that because our certification is so broad in a way. 00:33:46
Were able to plug in a lot of the environmental ordinances that are already in place or any kind of education, which is yeah, our 00:33:53
main focus as a Consulting Group is definitely the education part of it. 00:33:59
Yeah. 00:34:05
Yeah. I'll just add when I'm having these conversations and I'll, I'll share this with George and he can share. 00:34:09
I'm sort of. 00:34:17
Got a little spreadsheet of sorts and keeping track of what different communities want to focus on. So for example, in my 00:34:18
conversation with Carmel, they also want to focus on plastics and ensuring that that's being enforced. And so I just make a note 00:34:24
of that. And and that means that when folks are going out and doing the work in that community, they'll be, you know, an extra 00:34:31
area of attention given to whatever it is that you might want to focus on. For the county, it's the climate action plan, you know, 00:34:37
intersection. 00:34:43
So, yeah, thank you. And then I also had another question. So you mentioned, I think it was that you needed about 150 K Was it to 00:34:51
have a person you don't know what communities are going to contribute yet? What happens if you don't have other communities in 00:34:56
Monterey County? 00:35:00
I don't know that would be up for 150K, but yeah. 00:35:07
I'm cautiously optimistic that we'll get there or that we'll get to a range that still makes it a viable program. 00:35:12
And if we don't get to that mark, then it just means that we'll have to be selective about the scope of the work, you know? 00:35:21
And I'm also talking to some groups about like possibly doing something like matching. So if there's you know a group like region 00:35:28
or three CE that sort of serve a lot of these different communities, maybe they can give matching and that helps encourage. 00:35:37
Communities to to give and give early. So really exploring all kinds of options with this if we don't get like the lowest possible 00:35:46
minimum to have anything happen. 00:35:54
Then we'll cross that bridge when we get to it. But it might just mean that we don't have the program and we don't accept the 00:36:02
funds from anybody. But at that I don't think, I don't foresee that happening. So it's not something that each individual 00:36:08
community can pay a certain amount and they'll get served. You really do have to serve the larger Monterey County, it sounds like. 00:36:14
Correct. Yeah, that's the. So it wouldn't be piece meal, it would have to be the whole enchilada or nothing. Yes. 00:36:20
And like Jackie was saying, it might depend a little bit on on the grants and where those grants are focused if we if we do get 00:36:26
those because. 00:36:30
Part of the scope is if you participate, then you sort of get tied in with more of those broader funding opportunities. 00:36:35
But, yeah, OK. And you mentioned that you tailored to each individual city. Do you meet with the leaders to find out what is the 00:36:45
focus with their cities? Would you be, for example, coming back to us so we can help figure out what best suits our communities? 00:36:49
Yeah, we could do that. And most of it has just come up during conversations that I've had, right. They like, we're just sort of 00:36:54
talking like. 00:36:59
Like you just said, well that might be good for us and I saw everybody kind of nod. So for me I'm like, Oh well, maybe PG would 00:37:04
want to focus on plastics because they're they're not at the point in their climate action plan yet to focus on that so. 00:37:10
That might be a place to start, but if something else comes up. 00:37:17
That's viable as well. 00:37:22
Because my thinking around that was plastics. That sounds great, but we may not know what other options might be a good fit 00:37:25
without kind of having the dialogue of here's here's the menu. What from this menu works for your community and what kind of 00:37:30
outreach can you provide in those regards? Sure, sure. All right. Thanks. 00:37:36
You mentioned that most of the municipalities would commit to funding in May. Did you say their budgeting was Yeah, that's just 00:37:42
when. 00:37:47
May, I don't think maybe early June, but that's sort of what they're telling me. They're like, oh, this is a good time, but we 00:37:52
won't know. We won't vote on this until May, OK, because it's a council decision usually. 00:37:58
OK. And I only had one other question on your, in your presentation, were you talking about where you showed the various savings 00:38:05
categories? Mm-hmm. The electricity savings was huge. Was that due to a switch to three CE? 00:38:13
Or was it, was it different things? Well go, yes, So that depends. It is a combination. So some of our energy measures are 00:38:22
specifically tied to those. So that would be any changes from any fluorescent or hopefully not but incandescent 2 LEDs. 00:38:33
That's where it mainly comes from, but there are a few measures outside of that that can contribute to those savings and that 00:38:43
would be either installation of solar panels or switching to the 100% renewable option from Three CE. 00:38:49
OK. OK. So it's a variety. Got it. Thank you. 00:38:56
Well, thank you guys very much. It gives us a lot of food for thought and something to think about in our upcoming budget. 00:39:05
Discussions as well in our budget workshop in a couple of weeks. So great. Well, thank you so much. We appreciate your time. Thank 00:39:11
you so much. Good question. Thank you. OK, So looking at the agenda backing back up to. 00:39:17
Item number C, which is actually the page before in the packet, so we didn't need to take any action on that, that was just 00:39:25
received presentation. 00:39:30
The discussion and scope of direction of Climate Action Adaptation Planning Committee. So George, I believe you're presenting this 00:39:35
correct? 00:39:39
Correct and I do. 00:39:47
Short slide deck to go along with. 00:39:49
To kind of start the conversation. 00:39:52
And to start off with, I just want to say that in this fiscal year, we do have $100,000 budgeted in the public Works budget for 00:39:55
climate action and adaptation planning contractor services. 00:40:01
And as kind of moving forward and deciding the the next direction for this project, some things to think about are what do we want 00:40:10
the key focus areas to be And I think traditionally climate action would always focus on greenhouse gas reduction. 00:40:17
But there there's other options as well and we've had a variety of speakers now we've had the opportunity to compare, to compare 00:40:26
and contrast to different. 00:40:30
Plans from other regional cities and other California cities. 00:40:35
And I think as part of that consideration is what tools does the City of Pacific Grove have to create change what, what levers can 00:40:39
we pull as a city that will, you know, create the best outcome? 00:40:46
And then kind of harming back to the presentation we had from the city of Watsonville, Representative Alex Yazbek. 00:40:53
Do we want to move in the direction of a conventional or non conventional climate action plan? 00:41:01
And I don't want to get into all the details, but basically a conventional sequel qualified. 00:41:07
Kind of. Almost cookie cutter like the other plans. 00:41:12
Where you set greenhouse gas targets. 00:41:16
And you make a plan for how you do it and you know with different metrics like most of the plans or do we want something non 00:41:18
conventional and do we even want to call it a plan, you know, or do we want something more like a strategy or a road map? 00:41:25
And how are we going to balance? 00:41:32
The action and the adaptation. 00:41:34
One of the. 00:41:37
That we've heard and heard especially from Alex is that a lot of the action components are already happening from the state and 00:41:38
federal level. 00:41:43
And for smaller cities, sometimes it makes more sense to focus on adaptation. And that's always been a question in this process. 00:41:48
And I think it's you're getting to the point now where we need to figure out how we want to balance. 00:41:53
Action and adaptation. 00:41:58
And how are we going to? 00:42:01
Climate action and adaptation planning into existing city documents. 00:42:03
So in a way that we can maintain a local focus. 00:42:07
And not create a redundancy of. 00:42:10
So this light upload just as the minutes from the council meeting where this committee was created, this still kind of go back and 00:42:15
forth on if this is a committee or a subcommittee. 00:42:20
If anyone has opinions on that let me know, but umm. 00:42:25
OK. You're going to have to tell me the offline the reasoning because it's above. 00:42:29
Because you guys are not all part of the same committee or council. 00:42:36
So I will. I'm going to change the wording moving forward. Apologies for all the Subs. 00:42:41
And historical documents, I'm not going to go back. 00:42:46
But. 00:42:50
The action was to seek the services of a consultant to develop and produce a climate action and an adaptation plan, so I think we 00:42:52
need to start making the kind of concrete steps to make that happen. 00:42:57
And so how we're going to prioritize and initiate the climate action and adaptation plans and I think if we can discuss tonight 00:43:03
and formulate. 00:43:08
Clear scope services and then direct staff to solicit consultants through a request for qualifications or a request for proposals, 00:43:13
we can move this forward. 00:43:18
So that. 00:43:23
All right. So the next thing would be to go to public comment. 00:43:27
No virtual hands raised, so seeing no public comment I will open it to. 00:43:35
The committee. 00:43:40
George, could you put the slide back up that had the, it started with the key focus areas. I think that would be helpful to kind 00:43:44
of guide our conversation. 00:43:49
Yeah. 00:44:04
I think plastics is a good one and I think last time probably what got more I. 00:44:09
Air time than anything were the EV chargers. 00:44:15
So I would say those. 00:44:24
Would be great. 00:44:27
Those plastics and EV chargers. Plastics and EV chargers. And if I could just ask everyone to talk a little closer to their 00:44:34
microphones just for the recording. 00:44:38
Yes, I'm thinking, George, would it be most effective for us to go down each item in this list and kind of discuss? So right now 00:44:47
that would probably be key focus areas. Is that correct? Yeah, that's what I was thinking. That works for me. 00:44:53
Anybody else with key focus areas that? 00:45:01
I think I would like to review. We've paid consultants. 00:45:06
Asked and we to answer this question and I'd like to. 00:45:11
Committee to receive. 00:45:15
And I've taken a partial. 00:45:19
Of past efforts and I think we should look at those. 00:45:21
And out of this 100,000 that we have in this year's budget, how much have we spent? 00:45:25
I would venture 0. That's what I'm thinking too. 00:45:30
And maybe what we really need because this we meet, we don't meet frequently and it these are big questions. My own preference is 00:45:36
that we get something done. 00:45:40
That impacts the community, not just to. 00:45:46
And I think we're going to need a consultant to help us decide which consultant to hire as it were or which plan, which focus 00:45:49
areas we want to focus on. And I don't think that's a lot of money. 00:45:55
That's my own. I mean my own basically, to act as a consultant, not to actually do the planning effort itself. 00:46:01
Like a full blown sequel. 00:46:08
Analysis. So I think we should. 00:46:11
Sooner rather than later, hire a consultant to help us develop. 00:46:14
These key focus areas. 00:46:19
Prior to them coming on board, I think it's our responsibility to go out and get all the past documents that we've already 00:46:22
generated as a city. 00:46:26
And use those to help inform that discussion. 00:46:31
Because we paid for it. It's information. I don't. I imagine it's still. 00:46:34
You know, relevant. 00:46:40
That's my thought. I don't think we meet often enough to really and this is a deep dive question. 00:46:43
Where are all those documents? Or. 00:46:49
Most of them are up in the Community Development department. 00:46:55
I happen to have all the old web pages for the city going back to 1995 or something like that so I can get. 00:46:58
A lot of just by doing I can find old stuff. 00:47:07
But we did. We did stuff as early as, you know, maybe 7-8 years ago. 00:47:10
And I think we should just try to, maybe that's a staff effort, you know, maybe ask the staff. We can't. 00:47:15
Ask to. 00:47:22
Go out and. 00:47:24
Comb the archives. 00:47:26
If you don't mind just kind of what exactly can you just name out like the kind of a handful of documents you have in mind when 00:47:28
you just say documents like how look at how narrow of a scope are you talking when you talk about historical climate action. They 00:47:34
were climate action documents, OK, and and and reports on what the city could be involved in. 00:47:40
Some of them were specific to Pacific Grove, some of them are more generalized. 00:47:47
But, and it's kind of a big Venn diagram, there's a lot of plans that I've looked through that aren't necessarily titled to a 00:47:52
climate action plan, but are very much in the same, you know, atmosphere, you know, same kind of theme, whether it's like a 00:47:58
resiliency plan or like the Shoreline management plan. 00:48:04
So that's something that kind of because that's unique to Pacific Grove. 00:48:11
That that's certainly an adaptation plan. 00:48:14
And that's something that I'm happy to, you know, you know, collect and disperse to the committee and just to have those those 00:48:17
available to the consultant that would be really good, helpful to focus. 00:48:22
And I think that's, you know, something that would, I think that's something that staff can collect and put on the website also 00:48:28
for the public. 00:48:31
There are people out there. 00:48:36
We can ask the community to give us input. 00:48:39
They've certainly at any. 00:48:42
That's my thought. 00:48:45
Yeah, one thing I agree with. 00:48:47
Are we calling ourselves committee member Clay? 00:48:52
Coastal in the same way we are. 00:49:27
And just sorry to correct you, but Watsonville had done a conventional plan and then he was kind of expressing his. 00:49:28
Can best do things. 00:50:10
Action and adaptation. So maybe a good place to start too, is whether it be a brainstorming session or something identify what do 00:50:13
we think that we as a city? 00:50:18
Can do. But then again, this might be something a consultant would do. I don't know if a consultant would come and maybe do a 00:50:23
workshop where they could get to know the community, help us brainstorm what kind of action, what kind of adaptation may be good 00:50:28
in our community. And I think until we have that as a starting point, it would be hard to start piercing together what we should 00:50:32
do. 00:50:37
So being that we won't meet again until three months, I'm wondering where do we go from here as far as making this happen? Is 00:50:42
there an opportunity to have something in the interim? Does anybody have an interest in having some sort of workshop or something 00:50:48
In interim that that helps us actually get moving versus having meetings where we're listening to possibilities, but not really 00:50:55
having the opportunity to really put together and formulate the startings of a plan? 00:51:02
So I'd love any feedback anybody else has. 00:51:09
Yeah, I'm going to keep this super simple because I think we've gone through several presentations. I think we're at a point where 00:51:12
we need to develop this plan. We have 100,000. 00:51:17
My, my view is that these key focus areas, tools, et cetera, we can formulate an RFP that says we have, we have these key focus 00:51:22
areas, we have these tools, we have these whatever be the case, we can formulate an RFP and also indicate in the RFP that we want 00:51:29
the consultant. 00:51:35
Use all of these bullet points or focus areas to develop. 00:51:42
ACAAP for us, and I think that will all come under this umbrella of 100. 00:51:48
And so because the last time I saw. 00:51:54
Proposal for CAP. They headquartered 128,000 I believe, so it's not really that far away. 00:51:57
From that. 00:52:03
So we should be able to be achieve this. 00:52:05
As well as as our CAP in one shot. 00:52:08
That's where I'm coming with this, so and that kind of like also delves into. 00:52:13
Other items because we're only meeting like 3 * a year, how much or three or four times a year, how much are we going to achieve 00:52:17
unless we're actually making a concerted effort to meet monthly or something to to take this forward. 00:52:23
But the consultant can. Depending on what kind of like responses we get, we can certainly take other additional action. But my 00:52:30
view right now is just. 00:52:34
Wrap this up in a bow and put in an RFP and see what kind of responses we get and see where the codes are. 00:52:39
And how quickly would an RFP if that was the direction we were to go, how quickly could it be released and then what would be the 00:52:47
time frame for turn around and then? 00:52:52
Decision. 00:52:57
Committee member. 00:53:03
Totally confident to give an answer to right now, but I'd be curious myself and would be happy to look into and get back to you. 00:53:05
If I may, just from our understanding George, if we do not take any action by say May 31st with this 100,000 that's gone, right? 00:53:13
It'll just be the end of the fiscal year. And I think that Public Works intends to move it forward as it rolls forward, Yeah. And 00:53:24
it'll be up to council to approve that. 00:53:28
So, yeah, but pending council approval. 00:53:33
It's gonna roll forward. 00:53:37
I mean, I mean once council approves, it will roll forward, yeah. So I think it works is definitely intending to request that and 00:53:38
barring council not allowing that, it would roll up, yeah. 00:53:43
So I'm kind of addressing your point to say that like if for any reason go six months. 00:53:50
Then we still have an opportunity to. 00:53:56
Well, it does seem to me that these bullet points that you have here are perfect to formulate an RFP. 00:54:00
And I I mean, can we make a motion tonight? 00:54:10
Directing George to put that together, do we need a lot more? Do we need more discussion? 00:54:15
It was not on the agenda as a recommended action and I think you could kind of direct or request that to be something that we work 00:54:23
on to bring back at the next climate action meeting. 00:54:29
And I think that that would and then I think we could I could work with the chair and. 00:54:35
To make that, put that together. 00:54:40
Just a quick comment like. 00:54:47
Mr. First, do you think this is going to take three months? 00:54:50
I don't think it has to take three months, I think. 00:54:56
A lot of other. 00:54:59
Tasks floating around, so I think it could easily take three months, but. 00:55:00
I think it, you know this is this is the only thing we were working on. I think we would would not take three months OK. All that 00:55:07
I'm getting at. 00:55:11
If if by any chance the other tasks will vanish and this is the only task. 00:55:15
And if you happen to complete it in record time. 00:55:19
Then it's I'm open to this meeting earlier so that we can just bless this. 00:55:22
The leaving open the possibility of a special meeting on a shorter time frame. 00:55:58
I'm all for not reinventing the wheel either. We could look at the RFPs for Seaside Carmel. 00:56:03
Do some tweaking if necessary to kind of cover what we're interested in, but. 00:56:08
I think in RFE an RFP is sufficiently broad anyhow, so I don't think it's. It could be a little homework assignment for all of us 00:56:15
to to check out what RF? 00:56:20
Have been locally, you know, Uh. 00:56:26
Sent out Forbid. 00:56:29
See what we're. 00:56:31
So that we have a better idea, we can go back to our slides. But I guess my bigger question is has staff done anything related to 00:57:01
this that would be helpful for you to provide to us or would we all be starting from the same kind of point of we just take 00:57:07
whatever presentations have already been given to us? Do you have information we don't as I guess my can't question. 00:57:13
I can't think of any information that I have that you don't have specifically on this topic, but. 00:57:21
I'd like to partner with this organization, Green business, yeah. And maybe they come and give a presentation of BRC. BNRC makes a 00:57:28
recommendation to Councilman. We incorporate the and the budget discussions. 00:57:34
If you want, yeah, sounds great, Yeah. Because I think anything we can do to move it around, we can't take an action, obviously, 00:57:40
but we can all agree on good ideas that we can within our own reviews, you know, kind of work on bringing together. I don't know 00:57:47
if we need to go to the level of subcommittees, of a committee, of subcommittees of our two groups. But my question is, are we? 00:57:54
I'm trying again in the. 00:58:02
Idea. 00:58:04
Reinventing the wheel on all of us doing the exact same thing and wasting time where we could maybe divide things up. Do we want 00:58:05
to look at ways for us to move forward where we're not, you know, all wasting time doing the same thing, but are getting 00:58:11
information together that we could bring together, whether that be at a special meeting? 00:58:17
Or in smaller groups that. 00:58:24
Composed of more than half of us. 00:58:28
Well, I think. 00:58:32
I think staff has the understanding perhaps that we want to get an RFP out sooner than later understood and that we could. 00:58:33
They understand that there's local jurisdictions that have recently, you know. 00:58:41
Participate in. 00:58:47
But we can, as individual committee members, can go out and research that ourselves and forward that to George. 00:58:49
I'm kind of curious to know what an RFP for a Climate Action Plan looks like. 00:58:55
Well, didn't we do that with Rincon? 00:59:00
They I know it was the add on. 00:59:04
To the main one provided several iterations of an update proposal to the General Plan that included an add-on. The first one they 00:59:08
quoted at $85,000 and then the second iteration was something about $125,000. 00:59:15
But so we didn't prepare an RFP specifically for a climate action plan. 00:59:24
With them correct, it was for the general plan of minutes to support the housing. They included that and. 00:59:29
With. 00:59:37
Scope of services, bullet points here. I mean what in your experience George, is what we're. 00:59:41
Looking for in? 00:59:47
Guidance in order to develop even our priorities for a Climate Action Plan. Is that typical of an RFP or or? 00:59:51
Looking for more consulting, less drafting. 01:00:01
The normal. I think that there are definitely consultants out there that specialize in this topic. 01:00:06
And could contribute their knowledge and experience. 01:00:11
And my regulation too is that Carmel had a. 01:00:16
You know within their. 01:00:51
I think, yeah. And Carmel will use Rincon as I recall. 01:00:53
But I think this probably the first, the way it goes is, is that you hire the consultant. 01:00:56
They first address what you want to do and then they go do it. But. 01:01:02
We could. We don't have to have. 01:01:08
To do anything further. 01:01:11
You know, let's just figure out what kind of climate action plan. 01:01:13
Then you can always modify the agreement later to actually develop that plan. 01:01:18
But I think we do need someone to help us figure out what kind of scope. 01:01:23
The plan she'll have and what areas we want to focus, I know the mayor wants us to focus on things, and I do. 01:01:27
That get things done that can show you know there are measurable things that we can accomplish in in the near term. 01:01:35
So I think we do need a consultant to help us develop the plan that we want to achieve and then. 01:01:42
Then you have to pay for that plan, but I think the upfront cost to help us. 01:01:49
As in a consulting kind of relationship, figure out what plan. 01:01:54
I don't think that's much money. 01:01:59
And I think we can get started. 01:02:01
Pretty. Pretty darn. 01:02:03
Yeah, absolutely. 01:02:06
There's because there's local people, too, like Denise Duff. 01:02:08
And we don't have to go with. 01:02:11
The mega. Yeah, the bigger folks. 01:02:14
Yeah, and it wouldn't hurt to get another viewpoint as well. 01:02:18
Is that? 01:02:23
I think so, yes, Thank you. Do you need any further guidance from us or does that pretty well cover it? 01:02:25
I know. 01:02:35
Could we meet next month? One month? 01:02:40
Yeah. What does the calendar look like? 01:02:46
Secretary Miners, if you give me a moment, I'll pull up the city calendar and check the. 01:02:55
Availability. 01:03:06
Trying to stick with the third. 01:03:28
March would be Thursday the 20. 01:03:31
The day after a City Council meeting and it does look like the the room is open. 01:03:34
The third Thursday of March. 01:03:39
And then? 01:03:41
The third Thursday of April is also April 18th, the day after. 01:03:45
The City Council meeting on the 17th. 01:03:49
So George, my question to you would, would a month be sufficient time? 01:03:53
To come back with that. 01:03:58
To be honest, I feel more comfortable with two months just considering. 01:04:00
Deadlines coming up this month and how quickly the time between a meeting and then the due date for an agenda for the next 01:04:05
meeting. 01:04:09
Rolls around, Nothing is impossible, but my preference would be April. 01:04:13
What was the April date? 01:04:18
April 18th. 01:04:21
Technically you have an extra day. This is a leap year. 01:04:27
But April it didn't work for me. 01:04:32
I can make that work as well. 01:04:35
OK, so I know we're not technically taking an action, but we are not saying that we are all available on that date. 01:04:39
And then the question I. 01:04:50
Guess as a follow up to that, would we still have our regularly scheduled meeting on the the three month mark which would be one 01:04:51
month after that to come back in hopes we probably would have hit our deadline yet for the RFP being submitted and getting the the 01:04:57
bids to have the information come back to us. What would kind of a recommended follow-up timeline be after that? 01:05:03
OK, chair McDonald. My condition would be to we can schedule the special meeting for April. 01:05:11
And then at that meeting decide if we want to maybe cancel the next meeting or hold the next meeting at a month interval and. 01:05:19
We can carry on the tradition of, I think, not having any of the meetings. 01:05:25
Quarterly. 01:05:29
And it close to quarterly intervals. 01:05:31
Have them when we need them, right? 01:05:34
Perfect I. 01:05:37
All right. Any other action that we need to cover and that is all that I am seeing on the agenda. So if that's the case, I believe 01:05:38
we're ready for adjournment. Our next meeting then we have determined will be April, yes, April 18th. 01:05:45
At 4:00 PM right here. 01:05:54
And so, with that being said, I officially adjourn. 01:05:58
Five. Oh, well, that clock I don't think is right. Do you need a time? 5:08 PM. Excellent. Thank you. 01:06:02
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Everyone and welcome to. 00:00:00
Climate Action and Adaptation Planning Subcommittee meeting. 00:00:02
I'd like to call the meeting. 00:00:05
And due to the vacancy in our chair and chairperson. 00:00:07
Positions the 1st order of business. 00:00:12
Will be to. 00:00:15
And. 00:00:17
So in order to do that, we will be asking for nominations for the office of chair to start with. 00:00:24
And members of the subcommittee may nominate themselves or any other member of the subcommittee. No second is required once 00:00:31
nominations are complete. 00:00:34
Steph liaison will close nominations, announce the slate of nominees and call for a vote. 00:00:38
On the nominees in the order of nomination, each voting member of the subcommittee will have one. 00:00:43
The nominee receiving votes from a majority of the subcommittee in attendance. 00:00:48
Declared the. 00:00:53
If no member receives a majority of the process shall be repeated. 00:00:54
Except in the event of a tie between the two vote getters, in which case a runoff shall be held. 00:00:58
The winner shall assume the chair the office of chair immediately. 00:01:03
And once a chair is declared, staff later done will cease running a subcommittee meeting, turning the duty over to the chair. 00:01:06
And using the same procedure, the new chair shall secure the election. 00:01:12
Vice chair and secretary. 00:01:17
Then it's timely that we're doing this in February when boards and commissions typically elect chairs for the year and also 00:01:20
because we have vacancies. So with that I'll open the floor to you guys for. 00:01:25
Nominations. 00:01:31
Make a nomination. 00:01:33
Please nominate Laurie McDonald Service. 00:01:35
Do we have any further nominations? 00:01:44
Without further nominations, I'll take A roll call vote. 00:01:49
Or William McDonald as chair. 00:01:53
Council member Clady Aye, Council member. 00:01:56
Council member. 00:02:00
Commissioner. 00:02:04
Commissioner Gorman. 00:02:07
Motion carries. 00:02:09
50 And congratulations Council Member McDonald as our new chair. 00:02:11
I was not at all prepared for this, so oh, thank you. 00:02:21
This helps sign up a paper version. 00:02:26
So bearing in mind what you said before, this means that we are now up for chair for I mean for elections for vice chair. 00:02:30
So anybody who would like to submit nominations for Vice Chair, please and excuse me if you don't mind an interruption. We do have 00:02:39
one other subcommittee member, Kathy Wooten, who is not in attendance tonight. So just to include her in any possible exploration 00:02:44
of possible. 00:02:49
Thank you for that. 00:02:56
That was the timely comment because I'm going to nominate Kathy for vice chair. I talked to her about it. She's fine with that. 00:02:57
Thank you. 00:03:05
OK. Do you have any? 00:03:08
OK. Roll call vote please. 00:03:11
Councilmember Coll. 00:03:14
Aye, Council Member Padre I Councilmember McDonnell, aye. 00:03:15
Commissioner. 00:03:20
Hi and Commissioner. 00:03:21
Gorman. 00:03:23
Motion carries 50. Congratulations to Mrs. Our New Vice Chair. 00:03:25
And George, can you remind me if we need to elect a secretary, I think that would be fantastic. The current secretary is 00:03:33
Commissioner Myers. 00:03:36
We can either keep that or elect a new person. 00:03:41
As long as she's good with that, we're good with that. I'm good with that. OK, great. Thank you. 00:03:47
So having never done this before, it looks like our next item is general public comment unless I have missed something. 00:03:56
Do we have any general public? 00:04:13
In the audience. 00:04:15
I do not believe. And we have no virtual hands raised. OK, thank you. 00:04:18
Oh, sorry, I did miss subcommittee and staff announcements. 00:04:25
Did we have anybody who had, oh, sorry, I guess we should have started with approval of the agenda or was that already done? 00:04:29
It was not correct because we didn't have a chair yet. Correct. OK. So then in that case, if I could please back up and get 00:04:35
approval of the agenda. 00:04:39
Second all in favor, aye? 00:04:46
Motion carries. 00:04:49
OK. Thank you. And then any subcommittee and staff announcements? 00:04:51
All right. 00:04:58
We did general public comment out of order, but we did that already and the next thing would be approval of the minutes from the 00:05:00
August 2023 meeting. 00:05:05
Yep, that's appears to be all. Unless everybody wants to do well. Yeah, that's the only thing on consent agenda. So can I have a 00:05:12
motion for approval of the minutes, please? Motion to approve. 00:05:16
Thank you all in favor. 00:05:23
Aye. 00:05:25
Any opposed? 00:05:27
Motion carries. Thank you. 00:05:31
So on to the regular agenda. We've already done the election of officers, so 6A is down. So next we have a presentation from Lacey 00:05:34
Rock. I hope I'm pronouncing that correct. 00:05:39
From California Green Business Network. 00:05:46
Thank you so much. 00:05:51
Just one moment and I'll queue it up. 00:05:54
As he brings the presentation up, I'll just introduce myself a little bit and give you a little context as to who I am and why I'm 00:05:57
here. So as you mentioned, my name is Lacey Rock. I'm serving as a consultant actually for the California Green Business Network 00:06:03
right now, helping them to garner support in our region to ensure that this program continues. 00:06:10
So I'll talk a little bit about the program, but I'm a Monterey Bay Area local. I live in Seaside and I actually served as chair 00:06:16
of the Seaside Environmental Commission for quite a few years, helping to pass their plastics ordinance and and do some other 00:06:22
great things with parks. So thank you for the time that you volunteer and dedicate your community. I know personally that that it 00:06:28
can take a lot sometimes. So thank you. 00:06:34
And it looks like the presentation is up. I've been working on this program for a few months, but I have a colleague with me, 00:06:41
Jackie, and Jackie does a lot of the on the ground talking to businesses. So she'll be able to back me up if you have any 00:06:47
questions or anything that I'm not able to answer. 00:06:53
All right, if you want to go to the first. 00:07:00
Or the second slide rather. 00:07:03
So the California Green Business Network is kind of exactly what you might imagine it doing. It provides free technical and 00:07:05
financial assistance focusing specifically on small and medium sized businesses using sort of an easy to use checklist and 00:07:13
framework to help walk businesses through what they can do to improve their environmental performance in a variety of categories. 00:07:20
And then they celebrate those businesses. So recognizing those accomplishments, getting them additional customers and attention 00:07:28
through media and social media. We had a great event last Wednesday in Salinas that highlighted a lot of the businesses in the 00:07:35
area that have recently been certified and they had a great news clip from Univision because so many of the businesses that were 00:07:42
certified were Spanish speaking. So it was just really great to have that extra promotion for those businesses. 00:07:48
You can go to the next. 00:07:56
So these are some of the elements that are considered when we think about a green business of reducing water and energy 00:08:00
conservation, commuting sustainably. 00:08:05
Preventing pollution, not using toxic cleaners, avoiding waste. 00:08:10
Materials recycling and also hiring of local vendors, so supporting the community in that way as well and the economics of the 00:08:15
community. 00:08:19
Next. 00:08:23
So if you're not familiar, this is what the certification process might be. If you're a business owner, you might voluntarily go 00:08:27
to this website and say you know what I want. I want to improve my environmental performance. You can self register. 00:08:33
Also folks like Jackie and colleagues Brian, they might knock on your door, they might say, hey, is this something you might be 00:08:41
interested in so that that initial. 00:08:46
Impact of having person to person conversations, we found, is really, really powerful, especially when there's so much confusion 00:08:52
around local ordinances, state ordinances, what you should do, what you shouldn't do. 00:08:58
And then step three is audits from partners. So we'll work with Regen or three CE to help make sure that businesses are getting 00:09:06
some of the benefits that might be available through these other regional partners. 00:09:13
And then we work on the implementation of the measures. There's no business that would go through the checklist and not have to do 00:09:22
something, you know, so the businesses that are certified are making tangible changes to improve the environmental performance of 00:09:27
their businesses. 00:09:32
And then a staff member such as Jackie will walk through and do a final site visit and verification before it's official and we 00:09:38
start promoting the business. 00:09:43
Next slide. 00:09:50
So these are the areas when you're going through the checklist that you might get questions about or need to have improvements. 00:09:53
Done. If you were a business, energy, pollution prevention solid waste, transportation, wastewater, water and communities and and 00:10:00
when you look at these you can kind of see where they might overlap with the interests of this committee committee. 00:10:06
Which I'll talk about more, but you know, if you're focusing on climate action planning, there's lots of areas in in here where it 00:10:12
would have some overlap. 00:10:15
Our next slide. 00:10:20
So expanding out beyond our local Monterey Bay area, the California Green Business Network is active across the state. So you can 00:10:23
see in this slide sort of where we have a strong presence where we're continuing to grow. 00:10:30
One thing that's really challenging is that the funding fluctuates from year to year and the Monterey County program has primarily 00:10:39
been supported by state funding. So the work that we have been able to do has been because we've used state funding or grant 00:10:45
funding to provide the staff that that do this work. 00:10:51
With some matching local contributions, so some cities have given. 00:10:58
Contributions in the past. 00:11:04
Next slide. 00:11:07
So I talked about this is the Monterey County program. We have 109 active green businesses. 00:11:09
One thing that I love to share that over 20 businesses have enrolled on their own without any interest or without any outreach, 00:11:16
which really sort of shows the interest of businesses in doing this. 00:11:20
Next. 00:11:26
And then this is just the impact. So businesses that are enter or that go through this process, whether they achieve certification 00:11:29
or not, the measures that they take are tracked within what's called the Green Biz tracker. And so that calculates all of the 00:11:36
impacts across these different areas. And so if as if a community like PG participated and they had a climate action plan and they 00:11:44
had to measure what, you know they were doing to mitigate. 00:11:51
Or to to act upon. 00:12:00
The effects of climate change. This could be a tool for doing that because you'd be able to run a report and see, wow, we reduced 00:12:03
X number of gallons of fuel from these businesses taking this measure. So this is what I. 00:12:10
Has. 00:12:18
The impacts in Monterey County just in 2023 alone. 00:12:20
Next slide. 00:12:27
So one of the challenges, as I was mentioning, is funding. 00:12:30
And. 00:12:35
This is the map of what the the future could be. Unfortunately I'm I'm guessing as you're engaged in. 00:12:36
In local politics and governance, you know that the state is facing a severe budget deficit and that's being felt across the board 00:12:44
and it's being felt by our program as well. So we. 00:12:50
Will likely be losing $2.4 million, which is a significant part of our budget this year. 00:12:58
Which means that the areas in yellow. 00:13:05
Where we have provided staff to support, we won't be able to provide that support anymore. 00:13:09
So as a result, that is why I'm here. That is why I have been reaching out to folks like George and all of the all of his 00:13:17
counterparts across these different jurisdictions. I've had conversations with everyone from the County of Monterey to Regent to 00:13:23
Carmel to Seaside to Salinas. Really trying to. 00:13:30
To create a regional program to ensure that this this network stays active in our community. 00:13:37
Next slide please. 00:13:45
So my goal is to raise 150K which will keep our staff here and it will provide all of the benefits that I described earlier. And 00:13:49
those benefits will be be felt by communities, businesses, regional organizations like 3 CE as well as customers. 00:13:58
Next, I think the next few slides I'm not going to. 00:14:07
Go through in detail because there's a lot. Oh wait, I'll do this one. And then I'll. I'll skip through the ones that are more 00:14:11
dense with content. I wanted to show a little bit about how the Green Business Network overlaps with climate action measures. So 00:14:17
I. 00:14:22
That's part of what this committee is charged with doing. It's a major aspect of your work. So I looked at the county's draft 00:14:27
Climate Action and Adaptation Plan and some of their draft measures in their technical. 00:14:34
Memo and so you can see that. 00:14:41
The areas that are showing common CAP measures, those are things. 00:14:45
Are put into their climate action and adaptation. 00:14:50
To achieve reductions. 00:14:54
And those also overlap with the categories of the green Business Network and questions that are asked of businesses and support 00:14:57
that is given to businesses. 00:15:01
OK. Next slide. 00:15:08
These are the really dense ones that I won't read, but I wanted to share so you could review on your own and really just notice 00:15:12
how there's benefits across a wide spectrum to the businesses themselves. Like I was saying, I'm just navigating all the different 00:15:19
compliance requirements and most of the time when you talk to businesses, they want to do the right thing, right? They're not. 00:15:27
Actively trying to do the wrong thing, but they might need a little bit of help because it's confusing. 00:15:35
And so that's one thing that this program does. 00:15:42
And then benefits to the communities as well. When I was talking to an elected official from the City of Seaside, one thing that 00:15:45
really struck him about the value of this program was he was like, so often we talk about working across boundaries and doing all 00:15:51
this stuff collaborative, collaboratively, but never quite get there on a lot of things. But he saw this as a great opportunity to 00:15:57
do that. 00:16:03
And one of the things that helps promote that sort of teamwork across the region is that there are quarterly meetings to engage 00:16:11
stakeholders. So for example on February 29th. 00:16:17
Jackie is putting together a great program for all the partners that are part of this in the Monterey Bay area. And the focus will 00:16:24
be on SB54, which is a new law that will probably be impacting a lot of communities and businesses. And so it really helps people 00:16:31
to be connected through that network, but also to know what's going on in, in other areas of the state. 00:16:38
Next slide. 00:16:46
Yeah, that is the one that is focusing on. 00:16:48
Plastics. 00:16:54
And I'm blanking on it right now. Jackie, can you help me remember? Yeah, so it is, actually. 00:16:55
Putting the responsibility of these non recyclable products and single these items, if you remind, could you say that right into 00:17:02
the microphone just for the benefit of the people in the virtual audience and for the recording and we really appreciate it. Sorry 00:17:06
to interrupt. 00:17:11
So S 354 focuses or will be focusing on excited interrupting a bit. I think the best thing for everybody is if you go about a fist 00:17:16
distance to the microphone and just talk, talk normal. They're really finicky and I appreciate your cooperation. 00:17:23
Yeah, so SB54 focuses on putting the responsibility of non recyclable or compostable items onto the producers of said single use 00:17:30
items. So yeah, if you're all invited to this meeting, if you want to come by, it's going to be focusing on how that's going to 00:17:38
impact local municipalities and their policies specifically on food wear ordinances that. 00:17:46
May not align with SB54, but we'll be learning more there. 00:17:54
That is February 29th at 12:30 in Watsonville. Since it is a Monterey Bay area wide program or meeting, we want to put it in, make 00:18:01
it in a spot where everybody has somewhat equal distance from there. George joined us last time. It will be in the same place if 00:18:09
you want to come by, but yeah, anybody's welcome. 00:18:16
And we will be providing lunch. 00:18:23
Thank you, Jackie. 00:18:26
Thank you. Good question. Yeah, I talk about it a lot, but I've never. 00:18:28
Reinforced it, I guess. 00:18:33
All right. Next. 00:18:37
So supporting partner benefits, one, you know, I was mentioning 3 CE region or your local hauler, they have a lot of incentives. 00:18:41
And so this provides an opportunity for them to actually get those programs impacted as well. And then and then customers 00:18:48
confidence in the operations of the businesses. And for me personally, when I was thinking about this, I was thinking, oh, maybe 00:18:55
it means I won't have such a crowded drawer full of single use spoons. 00:19:02
Forks. Condiments, like. I feel like we all have those. 00:19:10
So can get rid of some of that if businesses change some of their practices. 00:19:13
Next slide. 00:19:19
Right, so this is my ask is to. 00:19:22
Request that that you consider supporting the California Green Business Network. 00:19:28
And one one ask that I'm sort of starting with is for each jurisdiction to contribute 15,000 to ensure that this program continues 00:19:34
to operate and then? 00:19:40
I can provide George or the new chair. 00:19:47
With information on the scope of work and more details about what that means. 00:19:53
But hopefully now you all have a better idea of what the program is, how it might be able to benefit specifically the work of this 00:19:58
group and the city of Pacific Grove overall. 00:20:03
So with that, I think I'll just wait until there might be some questions after public comment. 00:20:09
So with that said, we'll go to public comment first. 00:20:17
Any any online? 00:20:23
With no virtual hands raised. 00:20:27
OK. Thank you. 00:20:29
Then I will open it up for discussion and. 00:20:31
By the committee sub. 00:20:35
I do have one question. I know you mentioned some of the businesses have found you on their own. Do we know if there are any 00:20:38
Pacific Grove businesses that have, I don't know, do you know, Jackie, if there's any in Pacific Grove? 00:20:44
Yes, come closer. Come join me. 00:20:51
So we currently have one certified business. We used to have a lot more. But one thing that I was mentioning to Lacey is that when 00:20:56
we've been focused on using state funds, we've actually been trying to focus on the areas where we have other means of funds. So 00:21:01
for example, in Seaside, we were helping them separately with their food wear ordinance outreach. So that's where my personal 00:21:07
focus was because I was already in the area. I was taking advantage of the fact that I was going to every single food facility in 00:21:13
the city. 00:21:19
And offering this program. So currently there aren't many businesses in Pacific Row, but that has to do with the fact that we 00:21:25
haven't done door to door outreach and the businesses that have signed up on their own sometimes don't get back to us to actually 00:21:31
confirm their interest. They oftentimes sign up to learn more information, but. 00:21:37
So we don't know about those specific 20, if any of them are in PG. 00:21:46
Thanks for the presentation. I appreciate it. 00:21:54
The the contribution rate of 15,000 that you mentioned, how do we know which organizations? 00:21:57
Kind of like jurisdictions that are participating, is there, is that something that you maintain and provide? Yeah, Yep. So 00:22:05
because of where we are in the budget cycle right now, I've all of the conversations that I've had, there's been a lot of interest 00:22:11
and support, but most people are voting on their budgets in May. 00:22:17
And so we won't have solid like this city is giving this much until after those decisions are made. But 15,000 is the majority 00:22:23
sort of base level. There are two groups that are looking at 20,000 and one much smaller city that's looking at a lower amount. 00:22:33
And and for my benefit, the 15,000 goes to a pool of money. The pool of money is used towards businesses throughout the county, 00:22:42
not specific to Pacific Grove. 00:22:47
If Pacific Grove gives, then you're guaranteed that somebody will be going door to door in your community. OK, but if you don't, 00:22:53
contribute. 00:22:58
That likelihood will probably be a lot lower because they'll be focusing on areas that have contributed, OK and this and this. 00:23:03
Technically speaking, the certification process. 00:23:12
It's a continuous effort, right, Because you got to be doing this all the time. Yeah. Is that how it operates? Yeah. There's 00:23:16
recertification. Your certification is valid for four years. So after that period, you'd be contacted for recertification. And so 00:23:22
much changes, actually in four years. And some of the programs and incentives that might be available also change. So often it's 00:23:28
not just like. 00:23:34
Re You know, click click, click, click OK Recertified, there are additional steps or benefits that you can have. 00:23:41
OK and. 00:23:49
Does the business. 00:23:50
So if it's a small business, does the business have to pay to get certified? 00:23:53
No, the business does not pay to get certified. Actually, a lot of times they receive funding, so the state funding and a lot of 00:23:57
the grants have specific allocations for supporting businesses. 00:24:04
There's an example from Seaside which is just where I'm more familiar with. 00:24:12
Where Reds Donuts went through and changed their. 00:24:17
Single use items to reusable. 00:24:22
And so they were given an allotment to help with that transition and and it can be different business to business. So you know for 00:24:25
one business that it might be we need to actually buy the cups, right. And others might be you know what, we have some cups that 00:24:33
we can get, but we don't have shelving to it like store the cups. So they might give that money to putting in shelving. 00:24:40
So it differs a little bit business by business, OK. The last, I'm sorry to grill it the. 00:24:48
Is this something that the city can participate in or is it just? 00:24:55
Free energy changes. 00:25:34
And then we have turned the tide which is an expansion of the program that we had in Seaside that provides food facilities, free 00:25:36
reusables and daycare facilities with non-toxic cleaning products. So that's what she's talking about when it's very specific 00:25:43
because if it's a daycare anywhere in the county, we'd be able to provide those funds, food facilities, same thing, but if it's an 00:25:51
office, we might not have those same type of resources, whereas the simplified savings does apply to all small businesses. 00:25:58
But yes, we're actually having a big push right now with a lot of our partners in other counties that are getting their facilities 00:26:05
certified. The City of Watsonville and San Benito County departments are going through the process because they are really 00:26:12
interested in leading by example since a lot of the time that is one thing that we got from businesses asking what the city or 00:26:18
what the county is doing. 00:26:24
And they want to definitely be able to have that as a backup for when we talk to the businesses and send them their way, OK. 00:26:31
This is very helpful and one final question for me because I've actually heard and maybe I'm just. 00:26:39
Mixing up a lot of things here, but I've heard similar endeavors from other organizations. There are some websites that they 00:26:46
provide, et cetera, and I can recollect the the name of the last organization that kind of like had a similar and not exactly 00:26:51
similar, but it sounded similar. 00:26:57
So and then we do have Blue Zones here where Blue Zones working towards some certification. How do these all like tie up like 00:27:02
that's a good question. 00:27:07
So I'm not sure what the first one you were mentioning was. I know that ecology action out of. 00:27:13
Yeah, they have a program right now that they're pushing that focuses on residential so programs, so getting community members to 00:27:20
serve partner. 00:27:24
Build a group and sort. 00:27:30
Make commitments individually to do things that will reduce greenhouse gas emissions in their home. 00:27:33
So ours of course is just focused on businesses or offices and the Blue Zones actually they really dovetail nicely. I reached out 00:27:40
to the Director of Blue Zones and I didn't show it, but we got their logo just to show that they are supporting partner in this. 00:27:50
So they certify restaurants, but they're looking at a little bit of a different. 00:28:01
I. 00:28:07
Goal in their certification, you know it's it's the food specifically that they're serving, whereas we're looking more at 00:28:09
operations of the business. 00:28:14
OK, so just just. 00:28:19
I'm not gonna grill you anymore so I just for just for. So Blue Zones does have an office kind of work kind of component too. 00:28:21
And I believe that's something that was approached or at least we have some kind of like tie up there. So, so just letting you 00:28:30
know. So when you're talking about city wanting to participate, there seems to be more than One Ave. where the city can say we are 00:28:35
certified in a certain manner. 00:28:40
Yeah, yeah. I think if the city, so let's just say hypothetically. 00:28:45
PG was like, yes, we are going to do all of this. We're going to get Blue Zone certified. We're going to get green business 00:28:51
certified. There might be some areas of overlap and that's OK, but. 00:28:56
What would probably be a little bit different is that. 00:29:02
We, as green business certification would be looking at your lights and we do a waste audit so we could see, OK, how much of your 00:29:06
waste stream is actually trash versus recycling versus compost. Blue Zones might do something like, hey, let's get a walking. 00:29:13
Moi I think is what they're called a walking group together so that at lunch we go for a walk and sort of support that that 00:29:22
Wellness aspect. So there's there might, if it's a Venn diagram, there might be a little bit that overlaps, but there's also a lot 00:29:28
that are pretty unique to the different programs. 00:29:34
Thank you. You know relevance I heard when, but yes, thank you. 00:29:41
Yes, please. Yeah. So just, I always like to talk about schools because that's one of my focus. And it's also a great example of 00:29:46
how we dive into everything. And the reason I say that is because I've looked into other certifications, but they're pretty 00:29:52
limited on what they do. So like restaurants where they'll focus on what's inside the kitchen. But looking at a school, we look at 00:29:57
everything. We look at their cafeteria, see if there's any single use items that we can replace. Of course, that depends on the 00:30:03
district. 00:30:08
But we look at that, we look at what's in the classroom, what the teachers can do, but we go above that. We involve the kids in 00:30:15
the certification, make sure that they're learning everything that there is to to take in from the certification. And then 00:30:22
sometimes if the school is interested, we'll do these presentations to the parents at back to school nights or you know, wrapping 00:30:29
up the year just to have this be a community impact. And that's something that we've been focusing on, whether that's. 00:30:36
Making sure that we go through and try to have more equitable goals in our program. Reaching out to the Spanish speaking 00:30:43
businesses and again the kids because they are the future. So yeah, those are my two big focuses of over the past two years and 00:30:50
even though I've been limited in the areas that I've been working in, I would love to expand that to. 00:30:57
Other cities and everywhere in the county. 00:31:04
Yeah. 00:31:07
Thank you I so it sounds. 00:31:11
Your main. 00:31:14
Areas of focus or outreach and consulting. 00:31:17
With the presumed expectation that there will be certification at the end. 00:31:21
So we're we're new as far as getting our Climate Action and Adaptation plan started. So. 00:31:27
There won't be much opportunity for outreach on that right away. 00:31:34
And I'm going to circle back to that, but we do have a plastic ordinance that the BNRC is brought forward. 00:31:38
And how can you explain some outreach you may be able to perform in that regard? Do you do you plug into Chambers of Commerce? How 00:31:45
do you, how do you network into the business community to see that that's effective? Yeah. So we we try every Ave. because every 00:31:53
community is different. We have some that, you know will reach out straight to the chambers. They'll want to partner with us. San 00:32:01
Benito County is one of the examples I use often because the partnership we have with the chamber is the the best. 00:32:09
We have in in our area that I've worked with, so it really depends. In Watsonville it's a lot of door to door knocking, mostly 00:32:17
because it's the Spanish speaking community that's not as plugged into the technology aspect or social media sometimes, but we 00:32:25
really do try to focus on what the community needs are and plugging in all of the resources so for. 00:32:33
You know, there's a lot of laws that these businesses have to abide by. So when we do a food wear ordinance outreach, we connect 00:32:42
that to our, well, actually different sections because that goes into our solid waste making sure that they're reducing their 00:32:49
their trash or their organics or making sure that they're diverting their waste properly. When we're talking about SB 1383 and 00:32:55
that's actually connecting back. We actually had a meeting with Salinas Valley Recycles and we are in the works to get their 00:33:02
backup for this program. 00:33:08
So for them, one of the focuses that we're going to have is going to be on SV 1383 and making sure that with our outreach, we let 00:33:15
the businesses know, educate them on what laws they have to abide by and connect them to Salinas Valley Recycles who is able to 00:33:23
provide them with the bins that they may need to change out. The it's called right sizing. But to change out the size of their 00:33:31
bins, if maybe they're able to recycle and compost a lot more than their garbage can go down and they can save money. 00:33:38
But what we found is that because our certification is so broad in a way. 00:33:46
Were able to plug in a lot of the environmental ordinances that are already in place or any kind of education, which is yeah, our 00:33:53
main focus as a Consulting Group is definitely the education part of it. 00:33:59
Yeah. 00:34:05
Yeah. I'll just add when I'm having these conversations and I'll, I'll share this with George and he can share. 00:34:09
I'm sort of. 00:34:17
Got a little spreadsheet of sorts and keeping track of what different communities want to focus on. So for example, in my 00:34:18
conversation with Carmel, they also want to focus on plastics and ensuring that that's being enforced. And so I just make a note 00:34:24
of that. And and that means that when folks are going out and doing the work in that community, they'll be, you know, an extra 00:34:31
area of attention given to whatever it is that you might want to focus on. For the county, it's the climate action plan, you know, 00:34:37
intersection. 00:34:43
So, yeah, thank you. And then I also had another question. So you mentioned, I think it was that you needed about 150 K Was it to 00:34:51
have a person you don't know what communities are going to contribute yet? What happens if you don't have other communities in 00:34:56
Monterey County? 00:35:00
I don't know that would be up for 150K, but yeah. 00:35:07
I'm cautiously optimistic that we'll get there or that we'll get to a range that still makes it a viable program. 00:35:12
And if we don't get to that mark, then it just means that we'll have to be selective about the scope of the work, you know? 00:35:21
And I'm also talking to some groups about like possibly doing something like matching. So if there's you know a group like region 00:35:28
or three CE that sort of serve a lot of these different communities, maybe they can give matching and that helps encourage. 00:35:37
Communities to to give and give early. So really exploring all kinds of options with this if we don't get like the lowest possible 00:35:46
minimum to have anything happen. 00:35:54
Then we'll cross that bridge when we get to it. But it might just mean that we don't have the program and we don't accept the 00:36:02
funds from anybody. But at that I don't think, I don't foresee that happening. So it's not something that each individual 00:36:08
community can pay a certain amount and they'll get served. You really do have to serve the larger Monterey County, it sounds like. 00:36:14
Correct. Yeah, that's the. So it wouldn't be piece meal, it would have to be the whole enchilada or nothing. Yes. 00:36:20
And like Jackie was saying, it might depend a little bit on on the grants and where those grants are focused if we if we do get 00:36:26
those because. 00:36:30
Part of the scope is if you participate, then you sort of get tied in with more of those broader funding opportunities. 00:36:35
But, yeah, OK. And you mentioned that you tailored to each individual city. Do you meet with the leaders to find out what is the 00:36:45
focus with their cities? Would you be, for example, coming back to us so we can help figure out what best suits our communities? 00:36:49
Yeah, we could do that. And most of it has just come up during conversations that I've had, right. They like, we're just sort of 00:36:54
talking like. 00:36:59
Like you just said, well that might be good for us and I saw everybody kind of nod. So for me I'm like, Oh well, maybe PG would 00:37:04
want to focus on plastics because they're they're not at the point in their climate action plan yet to focus on that so. 00:37:10
That might be a place to start, but if something else comes up. 00:37:17
That's viable as well. 00:37:22
Because my thinking around that was plastics. That sounds great, but we may not know what other options might be a good fit 00:37:25
without kind of having the dialogue of here's here's the menu. What from this menu works for your community and what kind of 00:37:30
outreach can you provide in those regards? Sure, sure. All right. Thanks. 00:37:36
You mentioned that most of the municipalities would commit to funding in May. Did you say their budgeting was Yeah, that's just 00:37:42
when. 00:37:47
May, I don't think maybe early June, but that's sort of what they're telling me. They're like, oh, this is a good time, but we 00:37:52
won't know. We won't vote on this until May, OK, because it's a council decision usually. 00:37:58
OK. And I only had one other question on your, in your presentation, were you talking about where you showed the various savings 00:38:05
categories? Mm-hmm. The electricity savings was huge. Was that due to a switch to three CE? 00:38:13
Or was it, was it different things? Well go, yes, So that depends. It is a combination. So some of our energy measures are 00:38:22
specifically tied to those. So that would be any changes from any fluorescent or hopefully not but incandescent 2 LEDs. 00:38:33
That's where it mainly comes from, but there are a few measures outside of that that can contribute to those savings and that 00:38:43
would be either installation of solar panels or switching to the 100% renewable option from Three CE. 00:38:49
OK. OK. So it's a variety. Got it. Thank you. 00:38:56
Well, thank you guys very much. It gives us a lot of food for thought and something to think about in our upcoming budget. 00:39:05
Discussions as well in our budget workshop in a couple of weeks. So great. Well, thank you so much. We appreciate your time. Thank 00:39:11
you so much. Good question. Thank you. OK, So looking at the agenda backing back up to. 00:39:17
Item number C, which is actually the page before in the packet, so we didn't need to take any action on that, that was just 00:39:25
received presentation. 00:39:30
The discussion and scope of direction of Climate Action Adaptation Planning Committee. So George, I believe you're presenting this 00:39:35
correct? 00:39:39
Correct and I do. 00:39:47
Short slide deck to go along with. 00:39:49
To kind of start the conversation. 00:39:52
And to start off with, I just want to say that in this fiscal year, we do have $100,000 budgeted in the public Works budget for 00:39:55
climate action and adaptation planning contractor services. 00:40:01
And as kind of moving forward and deciding the the next direction for this project, some things to think about are what do we want 00:40:10
the key focus areas to be And I think traditionally climate action would always focus on greenhouse gas reduction. 00:40:17
But there there's other options as well and we've had a variety of speakers now we've had the opportunity to compare, to compare 00:40:26
and contrast to different. 00:40:30
Plans from other regional cities and other California cities. 00:40:35
And I think as part of that consideration is what tools does the City of Pacific Grove have to create change what, what levers can 00:40:39
we pull as a city that will, you know, create the best outcome? 00:40:46
And then kind of harming back to the presentation we had from the city of Watsonville, Representative Alex Yazbek. 00:40:53
Do we want to move in the direction of a conventional or non conventional climate action plan? 00:41:01
And I don't want to get into all the details, but basically a conventional sequel qualified. 00:41:07
Kind of. Almost cookie cutter like the other plans. 00:41:12
Where you set greenhouse gas targets. 00:41:16
And you make a plan for how you do it and you know with different metrics like most of the plans or do we want something non 00:41:18
conventional and do we even want to call it a plan, you know, or do we want something more like a strategy or a road map? 00:41:25
And how are we going to balance? 00:41:32
The action and the adaptation. 00:41:34
One of the. 00:41:37
That we've heard and heard especially from Alex is that a lot of the action components are already happening from the state and 00:41:38
federal level. 00:41:43
And for smaller cities, sometimes it makes more sense to focus on adaptation. And that's always been a question in this process. 00:41:48
And I think it's you're getting to the point now where we need to figure out how we want to balance. 00:41:53
Action and adaptation. 00:41:58
And how are we going to? 00:42:01
Climate action and adaptation planning into existing city documents. 00:42:03
So in a way that we can maintain a local focus. 00:42:07
And not create a redundancy of. 00:42:10
So this light upload just as the minutes from the council meeting where this committee was created, this still kind of go back and 00:42:15
forth on if this is a committee or a subcommittee. 00:42:20
If anyone has opinions on that let me know, but umm. 00:42:25
OK. You're going to have to tell me the offline the reasoning because it's above. 00:42:29
Because you guys are not all part of the same committee or council. 00:42:36
So I will. I'm going to change the wording moving forward. Apologies for all the Subs. 00:42:41
And historical documents, I'm not going to go back. 00:42:46
But. 00:42:50
The action was to seek the services of a consultant to develop and produce a climate action and an adaptation plan, so I think we 00:42:52
need to start making the kind of concrete steps to make that happen. 00:42:57
And so how we're going to prioritize and initiate the climate action and adaptation plans and I think if we can discuss tonight 00:43:03
and formulate. 00:43:08
Clear scope services and then direct staff to solicit consultants through a request for qualifications or a request for proposals, 00:43:13
we can move this forward. 00:43:18
So that. 00:43:23
All right. So the next thing would be to go to public comment. 00:43:27
No virtual hands raised, so seeing no public comment I will open it to. 00:43:35
The committee. 00:43:40
George, could you put the slide back up that had the, it started with the key focus areas. I think that would be helpful to kind 00:43:44
of guide our conversation. 00:43:49
Yeah. 00:44:04
I think plastics is a good one and I think last time probably what got more I. 00:44:09
Air time than anything were the EV chargers. 00:44:15
So I would say those. 00:44:24
Would be great. 00:44:27
Those plastics and EV chargers. Plastics and EV chargers. And if I could just ask everyone to talk a little closer to their 00:44:34
microphones just for the recording. 00:44:38
Yes, I'm thinking, George, would it be most effective for us to go down each item in this list and kind of discuss? So right now 00:44:47
that would probably be key focus areas. Is that correct? Yeah, that's what I was thinking. That works for me. 00:44:53
Anybody else with key focus areas that? 00:45:01
I think I would like to review. We've paid consultants. 00:45:06
Asked and we to answer this question and I'd like to. 00:45:11
Committee to receive. 00:45:15
And I've taken a partial. 00:45:19
Of past efforts and I think we should look at those. 00:45:21
And out of this 100,000 that we have in this year's budget, how much have we spent? 00:45:25
I would venture 0. That's what I'm thinking too. 00:45:30
And maybe what we really need because this we meet, we don't meet frequently and it these are big questions. My own preference is 00:45:36
that we get something done. 00:45:40
That impacts the community, not just to. 00:45:46
And I think we're going to need a consultant to help us decide which consultant to hire as it were or which plan, which focus 00:45:49
areas we want to focus on. And I don't think that's a lot of money. 00:45:55
That's my own. I mean my own basically, to act as a consultant, not to actually do the planning effort itself. 00:46:01
Like a full blown sequel. 00:46:08
Analysis. So I think we should. 00:46:11
Sooner rather than later, hire a consultant to help us develop. 00:46:14
These key focus areas. 00:46:19
Prior to them coming on board, I think it's our responsibility to go out and get all the past documents that we've already 00:46:22
generated as a city. 00:46:26
And use those to help inform that discussion. 00:46:31
Because we paid for it. It's information. I don't. I imagine it's still. 00:46:34
You know, relevant. 00:46:40
That's my thought. I don't think we meet often enough to really and this is a deep dive question. 00:46:43
Where are all those documents? Or. 00:46:49
Most of them are up in the Community Development department. 00:46:55
I happen to have all the old web pages for the city going back to 1995 or something like that so I can get. 00:46:58
A lot of just by doing I can find old stuff. 00:47:07
But we did. We did stuff as early as, you know, maybe 7-8 years ago. 00:47:10
And I think we should just try to, maybe that's a staff effort, you know, maybe ask the staff. We can't. 00:47:15
Ask to. 00:47:22
Go out and. 00:47:24
Comb the archives. 00:47:26
If you don't mind just kind of what exactly can you just name out like the kind of a handful of documents you have in mind when 00:47:28
you just say documents like how look at how narrow of a scope are you talking when you talk about historical climate action. They 00:47:34
were climate action documents, OK, and and and reports on what the city could be involved in. 00:47:40
Some of them were specific to Pacific Grove, some of them are more generalized. 00:47:47
But, and it's kind of a big Venn diagram, there's a lot of plans that I've looked through that aren't necessarily titled to a 00:47:52
climate action plan, but are very much in the same, you know, atmosphere, you know, same kind of theme, whether it's like a 00:47:58
resiliency plan or like the Shoreline management plan. 00:48:04
So that's something that kind of because that's unique to Pacific Grove. 00:48:11
That that's certainly an adaptation plan. 00:48:14
And that's something that I'm happy to, you know, you know, collect and disperse to the committee and just to have those those 00:48:17
available to the consultant that would be really good, helpful to focus. 00:48:22
And I think that's, you know, something that would, I think that's something that staff can collect and put on the website also 00:48:28
for the public. 00:48:31
There are people out there. 00:48:36
We can ask the community to give us input. 00:48:39
They've certainly at any. 00:48:42
That's my thought. 00:48:45
Yeah, one thing I agree with. 00:48:47
Are we calling ourselves committee member Clay? 00:48:52
Coastal in the same way we are. 00:49:27
And just sorry to correct you, but Watsonville had done a conventional plan and then he was kind of expressing his. 00:49:28
Can best do things. 00:50:10
Action and adaptation. So maybe a good place to start too, is whether it be a brainstorming session or something identify what do 00:50:13
we think that we as a city? 00:50:18
Can do. But then again, this might be something a consultant would do. I don't know if a consultant would come and maybe do a 00:50:23
workshop where they could get to know the community, help us brainstorm what kind of action, what kind of adaptation may be good 00:50:28
in our community. And I think until we have that as a starting point, it would be hard to start piercing together what we should 00:50:32
do. 00:50:37
So being that we won't meet again until three months, I'm wondering where do we go from here as far as making this happen? Is 00:50:42
there an opportunity to have something in the interim? Does anybody have an interest in having some sort of workshop or something 00:50:48
In interim that that helps us actually get moving versus having meetings where we're listening to possibilities, but not really 00:50:55
having the opportunity to really put together and formulate the startings of a plan? 00:51:02
So I'd love any feedback anybody else has. 00:51:09
Yeah, I'm going to keep this super simple because I think we've gone through several presentations. I think we're at a point where 00:51:12
we need to develop this plan. We have 100,000. 00:51:17
My, my view is that these key focus areas, tools, et cetera, we can formulate an RFP that says we have, we have these key focus 00:51:22
areas, we have these tools, we have these whatever be the case, we can formulate an RFP and also indicate in the RFP that we want 00:51:29
the consultant. 00:51:35
Use all of these bullet points or focus areas to develop. 00:51:42
ACAAP for us, and I think that will all come under this umbrella of 100. 00:51:48
And so because the last time I saw. 00:51:54
Proposal for CAP. They headquartered 128,000 I believe, so it's not really that far away. 00:51:57
From that. 00:52:03
So we should be able to be achieve this. 00:52:05
As well as as our CAP in one shot. 00:52:08
That's where I'm coming with this, so and that kind of like also delves into. 00:52:13
Other items because we're only meeting like 3 * a year, how much or three or four times a year, how much are we going to achieve 00:52:17
unless we're actually making a concerted effort to meet monthly or something to to take this forward. 00:52:23
But the consultant can. Depending on what kind of like responses we get, we can certainly take other additional action. But my 00:52:30
view right now is just. 00:52:34
Wrap this up in a bow and put in an RFP and see what kind of responses we get and see where the codes are. 00:52:39
And how quickly would an RFP if that was the direction we were to go, how quickly could it be released and then what would be the 00:52:47
time frame for turn around and then? 00:52:52
Decision. 00:52:57
Committee member. 00:53:03
Totally confident to give an answer to right now, but I'd be curious myself and would be happy to look into and get back to you. 00:53:05
If I may, just from our understanding George, if we do not take any action by say May 31st with this 100,000 that's gone, right? 00:53:13
It'll just be the end of the fiscal year. And I think that Public Works intends to move it forward as it rolls forward, Yeah. And 00:53:24
it'll be up to council to approve that. 00:53:28
So, yeah, but pending council approval. 00:53:33
It's gonna roll forward. 00:53:37
I mean, I mean once council approves, it will roll forward, yeah. So I think it works is definitely intending to request that and 00:53:38
barring council not allowing that, it would roll up, yeah. 00:53:43
So I'm kind of addressing your point to say that like if for any reason go six months. 00:53:50
Then we still have an opportunity to. 00:53:56
Well, it does seem to me that these bullet points that you have here are perfect to formulate an RFP. 00:54:00
And I I mean, can we make a motion tonight? 00:54:10
Directing George to put that together, do we need a lot more? Do we need more discussion? 00:54:15
It was not on the agenda as a recommended action and I think you could kind of direct or request that to be something that we work 00:54:23
on to bring back at the next climate action meeting. 00:54:29
And I think that that would and then I think we could I could work with the chair and. 00:54:35
To make that, put that together. 00:54:40
Just a quick comment like. 00:54:47
Mr. First, do you think this is going to take three months? 00:54:50
I don't think it has to take three months, I think. 00:54:56
A lot of other. 00:54:59
Tasks floating around, so I think it could easily take three months, but. 00:55:00
I think it, you know this is this is the only thing we were working on. I think we would would not take three months OK. All that 00:55:07
I'm getting at. 00:55:11
If if by any chance the other tasks will vanish and this is the only task. 00:55:15
And if you happen to complete it in record time. 00:55:19
Then it's I'm open to this meeting earlier so that we can just bless this. 00:55:22
The leaving open the possibility of a special meeting on a shorter time frame. 00:55:58
I'm all for not reinventing the wheel either. We could look at the RFPs for Seaside Carmel. 00:56:03
Do some tweaking if necessary to kind of cover what we're interested in, but. 00:56:08
I think in RFE an RFP is sufficiently broad anyhow, so I don't think it's. It could be a little homework assignment for all of us 00:56:15
to to check out what RF? 00:56:20
Have been locally, you know, Uh. 00:56:26
Sent out Forbid. 00:56:29
See what we're. 00:56:31
So that we have a better idea, we can go back to our slides. But I guess my bigger question is has staff done anything related to 00:57:01
this that would be helpful for you to provide to us or would we all be starting from the same kind of point of we just take 00:57:07
whatever presentations have already been given to us? Do you have information we don't as I guess my can't question. 00:57:13
I can't think of any information that I have that you don't have specifically on this topic, but. 00:57:21
I'd like to partner with this organization, Green business, yeah. And maybe they come and give a presentation of BRC. BNRC makes a 00:57:28
recommendation to Councilman. We incorporate the and the budget discussions. 00:57:34
If you want, yeah, sounds great, Yeah. Because I think anything we can do to move it around, we can't take an action, obviously, 00:57:40
but we can all agree on good ideas that we can within our own reviews, you know, kind of work on bringing together. I don't know 00:57:47
if we need to go to the level of subcommittees, of a committee, of subcommittees of our two groups. But my question is, are we? 00:57:54
I'm trying again in the. 00:58:02
Idea. 00:58:04
Reinventing the wheel on all of us doing the exact same thing and wasting time where we could maybe divide things up. Do we want 00:58:05
to look at ways for us to move forward where we're not, you know, all wasting time doing the same thing, but are getting 00:58:11
information together that we could bring together, whether that be at a special meeting? 00:58:17
Or in smaller groups that. 00:58:24
Composed of more than half of us. 00:58:28
Well, I think. 00:58:32
I think staff has the understanding perhaps that we want to get an RFP out sooner than later understood and that we could. 00:58:33
They understand that there's local jurisdictions that have recently, you know. 00:58:41
Participate in. 00:58:47
But we can, as individual committee members, can go out and research that ourselves and forward that to George. 00:58:49
I'm kind of curious to know what an RFP for a Climate Action Plan looks like. 00:58:55
Well, didn't we do that with Rincon? 00:59:00
They I know it was the add on. 00:59:04
To the main one provided several iterations of an update proposal to the General Plan that included an add-on. The first one they 00:59:08
quoted at $85,000 and then the second iteration was something about $125,000. 00:59:15
But so we didn't prepare an RFP specifically for a climate action plan. 00:59:24
With them correct, it was for the general plan of minutes to support the housing. They included that and. 00:59:29
With. 00:59:37
Scope of services, bullet points here. I mean what in your experience George, is what we're. 00:59:41
Looking for in? 00:59:47
Guidance in order to develop even our priorities for a Climate Action Plan. Is that typical of an RFP or or? 00:59:51
Looking for more consulting, less drafting. 01:00:01
The normal. I think that there are definitely consultants out there that specialize in this topic. 01:00:06
And could contribute their knowledge and experience. 01:00:11
And my regulation too is that Carmel had a. 01:00:16
You know within their. 01:00:51
I think, yeah. And Carmel will use Rincon as I recall. 01:00:53
But I think this probably the first, the way it goes is, is that you hire the consultant. 01:00:56
They first address what you want to do and then they go do it. But. 01:01:02
We could. We don't have to have. 01:01:08
To do anything further. 01:01:11
You know, let's just figure out what kind of climate action plan. 01:01:13
Then you can always modify the agreement later to actually develop that plan. 01:01:18
But I think we do need someone to help us figure out what kind of scope. 01:01:23
The plan she'll have and what areas we want to focus, I know the mayor wants us to focus on things, and I do. 01:01:27
That get things done that can show you know there are measurable things that we can accomplish in in the near term. 01:01:35
So I think we do need a consultant to help us develop the plan that we want to achieve and then. 01:01:42
Then you have to pay for that plan, but I think the upfront cost to help us. 01:01:49
As in a consulting kind of relationship, figure out what plan. 01:01:54
I don't think that's much money. 01:01:59
And I think we can get started. 01:02:01
Pretty. Pretty darn. 01:02:03
Yeah, absolutely. 01:02:06
There's because there's local people, too, like Denise Duff. 01:02:08
And we don't have to go with. 01:02:11
The mega. Yeah, the bigger folks. 01:02:14
Yeah, and it wouldn't hurt to get another viewpoint as well. 01:02:18
Is that? 01:02:23
I think so, yes, Thank you. Do you need any further guidance from us or does that pretty well cover it? 01:02:25
I know. 01:02:35
Could we meet next month? One month? 01:02:40
Yeah. What does the calendar look like? 01:02:46
Secretary Miners, if you give me a moment, I'll pull up the city calendar and check the. 01:02:55
Availability. 01:03:06
Trying to stick with the third. 01:03:28
March would be Thursday the 20. 01:03:31
The day after a City Council meeting and it does look like the the room is open. 01:03:34
The third Thursday of March. 01:03:39
And then? 01:03:41
The third Thursday of April is also April 18th, the day after. 01:03:45
The City Council meeting on the 17th. 01:03:49
So George, my question to you would, would a month be sufficient time? 01:03:53
To come back with that. 01:03:58
To be honest, I feel more comfortable with two months just considering. 01:04:00
Deadlines coming up this month and how quickly the time between a meeting and then the due date for an agenda for the next 01:04:05
meeting. 01:04:09
Rolls around, Nothing is impossible, but my preference would be April. 01:04:13
What was the April date? 01:04:18
April 18th. 01:04:21
Technically you have an extra day. This is a leap year. 01:04:27
But April it didn't work for me. 01:04:32
I can make that work as well. 01:04:35
OK, so I know we're not technically taking an action, but we are not saying that we are all available on that date. 01:04:39
And then the question I. 01:04:50
Guess as a follow up to that, would we still have our regularly scheduled meeting on the the three month mark which would be one 01:04:51
month after that to come back in hopes we probably would have hit our deadline yet for the RFP being submitted and getting the the 01:04:57
bids to have the information come back to us. What would kind of a recommended follow-up timeline be after that? 01:05:03
OK, chair McDonald. My condition would be to we can schedule the special meeting for April. 01:05:11
And then at that meeting decide if we want to maybe cancel the next meeting or hold the next meeting at a month interval and. 01:05:19
We can carry on the tradition of, I think, not having any of the meetings. 01:05:25
Quarterly. 01:05:29
And it close to quarterly intervals. 01:05:31
Have them when we need them, right? 01:05:34
Perfect I. 01:05:37
All right. Any other action that we need to cover and that is all that I am seeing on the agenda. So if that's the case, I believe 01:05:38
we're ready for adjournment. Our next meeting then we have determined will be April, yes, April 18th. 01:05:45
At 4:00 PM right here. 01:05:54
And so, with that being said, I officially adjourn. 01:05:58
Five. Oh, well, that clock I don't think is right. Do you need a time? 5:08 PM. Excellent. Thank you. 01:06:02
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