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I'd like to call to order the special meeting of the Planning Commission on today. 00:00:15
February Fif. 00:00:21
My name is Don Murphy. I'm vice chair of the. 00:00:24
Commission I see that all Commissioners. 00:00:27
With the exception. 00:00:31
Of Commissioner Frederickson, who had let us know that he wasn't able to. 00:00:33
Tonight and before we begin the business of the meeting, I'd like to. 00:00:37
Two introductions and one is I'm delighted to introduce our new Community Development Director, Karen Vaughn. 00:00:42
And some of you might might remember. 00:00:50
Some of you might remember that. 00:00:54
Director Vaughn was here in 2008 to 10 as a senior. 00:00:56
Since then, she's worked to the north of us in Redwood City, where she was. 00:01:02
Principal planner and planning. 00:01:07
In Redwood City and in San Mateo County. 00:01:11
And then she went to the South of us, where she was. 00:01:14
Community development director and that's one point interim city manager in Moorpark in in Ventura County. 00:01:18
And she. 00:01:27
Experienced. 00:01:29
Planner with decades. 00:01:31
Of experience and she's been, she's certified. 00:01:33
As a member of the American Institute of Certified Planners. And that's on the basis of your academic work. 00:01:37
Your work experience. 00:01:44
And your skills as a. 00:01:47
So I'm delighted that that you're here and I'm, I'm sure I speak for the whole Commission that we're looking forward to to working 00:01:49
with you. 00:01:53
And is, is there anything you would like to say or? 00:01:58
And I'd also like to introduce our newest Planning Commissioner, Commissioner David. 00:02:08
He's a longtime Pacific Grove resident. His he and his family have been here for. 00:02:15
More than. 00:02:22
He's, uh, retired from the is an attorney retired from the law firm of Fenton and Keller. 00:02:24
Where his specialty was, was land. 00:02:31
And if you think about it, that means he's an expert in in Sequa and and state and local zoning. 00:02:34
Water law, the whole variety of issues that may may come before. 00:02:43
And he has, of course represented clients, both developers and environmental interests. 00:02:48
At bodies bodies like this, including this Planning Commission and other boards and commissions. 00:02:55
Pacific Grove, So I'd like. 00:03:05
For you, a warm welcome to and we're happy you joined us. Thank you very much. And is there anything you would like to add? Yeah, 00:03:07
I would just like to thank. 00:03:10
I would just like to thank. 00:03:17
Am I on? 00:03:19
Thank Mayor Peak and the City Council for giving me this opportunity to serve the community, and I just want to point out that I'm 00:03:20
not the first member of my family to serve the city on a. 00:03:27
Committee in the community my My youngest daughter was on the Pacific Groves. 00:03:34
School District board as the student representative during her. 00:03:40
Senior year in high school and. 00:03:45
My middle child, my daughter Ellen. 00:03:48
Appointed by Mayor Garcia to the ADA Committee, so she served on the ADA Committee. 00:03:51
So I consider myself following in my proudly following in my daughter's footsteps. 00:03:57
Thank you. 00:04:03
And it's it's time to Appro. 00:04:07
Our agenda and he I'd entertain a motion to do that. 00:04:10
Commissioner Sawyer, I make a motion to approve our agenda as noted. 00:04:16
2nd. 00:04:22
And all in favor of approving the agenda, please say aye aye. All opposed. 00:04:24
It passed six to zero with Commissioner Frederickson. 00:04:30
Absent and am I? 00:04:34
Mr. Campbell that we no longer need roll call votes. 00:04:39
For some items, I believe that there are certain items that are required to have roll call votes. That's correct. 00:04:44
Maybe Mary could, Mary can give. 00:04:53
Our city attorney could help us with that one. 00:04:56
Thank you for that. And thank you, Chair Members of the Commission, Mary Wagner with your City Attorney's Office. If all the 00:05:00
commissioners are present, we don't need to take A roll call vote. You can go ahead and just call for the vote and then announce 00:05:05
the results afterward. 00:05:10
But I'll. 00:05:19
But only six commissioners are present this evening rather than seven. Sorry, I should have been more clear because you're all 00:05:22
present in person and no one is participating remotely, you can vote. You don't have to have a roll call vote for every item on 00:05:27
your agenda tonight. 00:05:32
Thank. Thank you very much. 00:05:38
And now it's time for Commission and staff announcements. Is there any, are there any commissioners who have an announcement? 00:05:42
I I have one I attended the mayor's state of. 00:05:51
Address on January. 00:05:56
It was a very positive address. 00:06:00
And among the items of interest to this commissioners, he spoke. 00:06:02
About what's coming up in 2024 and he mentioned. 00:06:09
Working on Complete Streets and I think that's of interest to to members of the Commission. 00:06:14
Are there any staff announcements? 00:06:20
Seeing none, we'll we'll plunge ahead. It's time for. 00:06:27
Announcements from the Council liaison if. 00:06:31
Is in attendance and has an announce. 00:06:34
I do not see him online. 00:06:39
And he's not in the audience. 00:06:44
OK, I'll take advantage of of the mayor's presence to ask if he would have any announcements for. 00:06:48
Thank you. And does the City Attorney's office have any announcements they'd like to make, Miss Wagner? 00:06:57
Nothing from us tonight. Thank you. 00:07:03
Great. Thank you very much. 00:07:06
And next, we're on to general public comment. This is a period during all of our meetings where we allow members of the public to 00:07:09
speak to us. 00:07:12
On city related matters that under the purview of the of the Planning Commission. 00:07:17
It's not the time to talk to us about a agenda item, the scoping meeting for. 00:07:22
Our proposed environmental impact report, but any other topic is. 00:07:30
Is available and as usual, we will listen. We will not take any action tonight on any of the matters you discuss. 00:07:36
Mr. Gib. 00:07:45
Thank you, Vice Chair, Murphy, Planning Commission. Thank you for your service. You've 2024 was an eventful year. You did a lot of 00:07:49
great work. I'm always amazed by the preparation. 00:07:54
And the knowledge that you that you bring. 00:07:59
And welcome to the new member. My name is Mike Gibbs. I'm a citizen of Pacific Row and member of the Economic Development 00:08:01
Commission. I'm here at Public Comment. I know that you have a, you know, one item agenda tonight, but I would just like to make a 00:08:07
couple comments and I'm going to refer more to Arena. I'm not going to refer to the the item itself. But you all know this. I'm 00:08:13
not telling you anything. No new but the. 00:08:18
Pacific Grove Arena numbers. 00:08:24
Are you know have increased in the sixth cycle the overall state read and numbers growth is far exceeded population growth. We're 00:08:27
in California at about the population that we had in 2015. You may remember we lost a seat in Congress because of lost in 00:08:32
population groups nonetheless growth. 00:08:38
Arena numbers are up. 00:08:44
It was a lot about YIMBY. You can go online and read about Jimmy and building in my backyard and all that to me when I see who's 00:08:46
behind YIMBY, YIMBY Equals Builders Remedy. 00:08:51
3rd, RENA consolidated land use power at the state level, which I think is very dangerous. There is no substantiated link to 00:08:59
affordable units or affordable housings. There are over 4th or over 400 municipalities in the state of California, all subject to 00:09:06
the arena numbers and the goals. I know Pacific Grove was spending north of 1,000,000 bucks. 00:09:14
Most cities are spending that. 00:09:21
For. 00:09:24
$2 billion. 00:09:26
Think of what could be done with $2,000,000 for our schools, our roads, You know, that kind of stuff. The only one making money on 00:09:28
this are their consultants on the housing industry. And guess what? They're buying new houses, but they're buying them in Texas. 00:09:35
2 great philosophers on this. 00:09:44
Ronald. 00:09:47
Said the government's Don't control. 00:09:49
A government that wants to control housing. 00:09:51
Or what goes on in the local? 00:09:54
They can't do it without controlling the. 00:09:56
And the second greatest philosopher that I know of as Yog. 00:09:59
And by the way, there's a great Netflix video on Yogi in his life. He's a great ball player and we all remember what Yogi said. 00:10:03
At Hanover. 00:10:11
Until it's over. Thank you. 00:10:12
Thank you. 00:10:15
Is there anyone else here at City Hall who wants to make a public comment at this point? 00:10:16
Is there anyone online who wants to make a public comment? 00:10:23
Mr. 00:10:27
I did not see any hands. 00:10:28
Let's wait just a SEC. 00:10:32
Well, seeing none that'll end our our general public comment for for tonight. 00:10:36
And I wasn't smart enough to pay attention to our written public comments since our our last meeting in January. 00:10:41
Other than the the that came on this particular topic, are there other written public comments that we've received since January? 00:10:48
Yes. And they will be on the continued. 00:10:57
Meeting from continued from last month, so be at the March meeting. Perfect. Thank you very much. 00:11:01
Well, now we're up to our main business for tonight. It's #11, It's a presentation. It's a scoping meeting for the environmental 00:11:07
impact report for the PG Housing element update. 00:11:12
Zoning amendments and general plan amendments. 00:11:18
And I think this fugo as follows. Mr. Sidora will make a brief presentation. I believe representatives from Rincon will make a 00:11:22
presentation. 00:11:26
We'll go then to the public for their their suggestions about what we should be studying in this environmental impact report. 00:11:31
And then we'll come to the Commission for. 00:11:38
Questions and and suggest. 00:11:41
So, Mr. Sidor, I think we're ready, if you are. 00:11:45
Thank you, Vice Chair Murphy. 00:11:50
And I just want to begin by welcoming everyone to the EIR scoping meeting for the Pacific Grove Housing Element Update, Zoning 00:11:52
Amendments and General Plan Amendments project. 00:11:57
And. 00:12:04
We'll begin with a quick introduction of the. 00:12:07
Who will be participating and involved with the EIR? 00:12:11
And from the city, we have the community development director, Karen Vaughn. 00:12:17
And the housing program manager and CDD, Alyssa Kroger and myself. 00:12:22
And then with Rincon, we have Eileen Mahoney here to my right, the project manager for the EIR. 00:12:28
And Megan Jones, the principal in charge from Rincon. And there are other, of course other. 00:12:35
Consultants with Rincon, who will be involved with the development and the analysis and the creation of the EIR. 00:12:44
As we go through the. 00:12:53
And one in particular who's not here this evening is Ryan. 00:12:55
Who is? 00:13:01
One of the Co project managers with Eileen Mahoney for the. 00:13:03
Eir project as well as the housing. 00:13:08
So for the project background, this all began with the housing element update process that began with public outreach beginning 00:13:15
back several years ago or a couple of years ago. 00:13:21
And. 00:13:29
The public review draft of the housing element. 00:13:30
Began in September of 2023. 00:13:36
And. 00:13:40
The. 00:13:42
Review of that draft involved. 00:13:43
The review as well by the Planning Commission on in October, as well as the City Council and based on Planning Commission 00:13:46
recommendations and City Council direction. 00:13:52
CBD staff submitted the. 00:13:59
Draft housing element to HCD on November 2nd of 2023, which initiated the 90 day. 00:14:03
Review process by the. 00:14:12
And preliminary comments were received and some minor revisions were made. 00:14:14
To the draft housing element. 00:14:22
And. 00:14:25
Those were circulated for public review for seven days at the end or near the end of January. 00:14:29
Of 2024 and then we received. 00:14:37
The HCD frontal HCD review letter on January 31st of 2024 and those documents, the draft, the revised draft and the HCD review 00:14:41
letter as well as comment letters received from the public are available. 00:14:50
On the city's website under the Housing Element web page. 00:15:00
And the deadline for adoption of the housing element. 00:15:06
Will be. 00:15:11
December of 2020. 00:15:12
Terms of the project description for the EIR. 00:15:18
The project. 00:15:24
Of course, will include the housing element update or analysis of the housing element update. 00:15:27
To. 00:15:34
The provisions of state law that need to be. 00:15:36
Updated and to address the arena. 00:15:41
And the project will also. 00:15:45
Address or the EIR will also address the zoning amendments to implement the housing element programs. 00:15:51
Which will include rezoning of sites and updates to the zoning map. 00:15:57
And then associated general plan amendments specifically to the land use and health and safety elements to provide for consistency 00:16:02
with the housing development and the zoning amendments. 00:16:09
And the project. 00:16:17
Is the entire city of Pacific Grove. 00:16:20
However, the. 00:16:26
Analysis will be focused on the sites identified in the sites inventory in the housing element. 00:16:29
And those are shown here and then more specifically. 00:16:39
Those will include sites in the Central Early Commercial district. 00:16:46
The downtown district. 00:16:50
The Forest Hill. 00:16:54
As well as office conversion sites in the downtown area, primarily along Lighthouse and Forest. 00:16:57
And then there are other sites as well that are identified in the sites inventory. 00:17:05
That will be analyzed. 00:17:12
And so now Eileen Mahoney will provide an overview. 00:17:14
Of the environmental analysis that will be completed under the E. 00:17:21
Thank you. Thank. 00:17:26
Thank you. As mentioned earlier, my name is Eileen Mahoney and I'm overseeing the environmental review of the project. I'm going 00:17:28
to go over some background about the environmental review process, explain the purpose behind this particular meeting and briefly 00:17:33
outline the anticipated scope of the document. 00:17:37
The reason we are doing this analysis is because of the California Environmental Quality Act, or Sequa. 00:17:43
SEQUEL was passed in 1970 and at its core is all about public disclosure and input. It requires that we analyze the environmental 00:17:48
impacts of a project and take those into consideration before making a decision on a project. 00:17:53
We do that through preparing environmental review documents, including environmental impact reports or ears, which is what we are 00:17:59
doing here. 00:18:02
In addition to simply disclosing the anticipated environmental impacts, SEQUEL also requires that we seek to minimize, reduce or 00:18:06
avoid those impacts through what are called mitigation measures. 00:18:10
We also prepare and adopt and mitigation, monitoring and reporting program which typically takes takes the form of a detailed 00:18:15
table of requirements and who is responsible for seeing them out. 00:18:20
SEQUEL also requires an analysis of alternatives to the proposed project, which seek to reduce impacts by modifying the components 00:18:26
of a project. 00:18:29
Because the project is not proposed specific development, we will be conducting A programmatic analysis based on the proposed land 00:18:33
use scenario with a focus on the specific housing sites and anticipated level of development on each of those sites that would be 00:18:38
allowed by the project. 00:18:42
This slide provides an overview of the sequel review process for an environmental impact report. 00:18:48
The first step is the circulation of the Notice of preparation, during which time the lead agency, in this case the city, solicits 00:18:53
input on the content of the draft. 00:18:56
The notice of preparation for this project was published in late January. 00:19:01
We are currently on this initial step and the purpose of this meeting is to collect comments on the EIR content. 00:19:05
Next, a draft ER will be prepared and then published during the 45 day draft ER review period. Comments on the adequacy of the 00:19:11
draft dir. Are solicited. 00:19:15
Following completion of the draft EIR circulation period, a final EIR is prepared, including responses to comments on the draft 00:19:19
errata noting any changes to the draft EIR and Mitigation Monitoring program. 00:19:25
The final EIR is then published, at which time responsible agencies will consider the final. 00:19:31
Finally, the lead agency makes a decision on the project. 00:19:36
We are here today to receive scoping comments. Scoping invites public input on the environmental analysis that will be conducted. 00:19:41
Scoping comments can suggest topic areas to address, identify issues of concern, suggest potential alternatives to the project and 00:19:48
or proposed mitigation measures. 00:19:52
Scoping comments can also suggest specific approaches to the analysis and suggest other environmental considerations for the EIR 00:19:57
to cover. 00:20:00
If you would like to provide detailed comments, we encourage you to do so in writing. While by number means required, we recommend 00:20:04
framing your comment as shown on this slide. I request that the eir consider and then fill in the blank. 00:20:09
SQL requires an analysis of 20 separate issue areas, which are listed on this slide. All 20 issue areas will be addressed in the 00:20:17
EIR. Please refer to the Appendix G checklist of the SEQUEL guidelines for the exact checklist questions that will be covered in 00:20:21
the IR. 00:20:25
This slide provides an approximate schedule for publication of the EIR. We are within the first public comment period associated 00:20:32
with the publication of the NLP. 00:20:35
Another public comment period will commence when the draft EIR is published, which is anticipated in June. 00:20:39
This review period will extend for 45 days following the close of the EIR review period. The final EIR will be prepared with 00:20:45
certification of the EIR anticipated to incur in November or December of this year. 00:20:51
The draft EIR is being prepared concurrently with the land use and safety element updates, which is intended to streamline the 00:20:57
process. 00:21:00
These updates are necessary as a result of the anticipated build out on the already identified housing sites associated with the 00:21:04
Housing Element update. 00:21:08
For the purposes of Sequel, the project is ultimately future build out of those sites. 00:21:11
We will have the build up projections from the housing element before beginning on the analysis and modeling associated with the 00:21:15
EIR, which is the key consideration for many of the environmental checklist questions. 00:21:20
Now back to you, Joe. 00:21:25
Thank you. So just to reiterate again, the purpose of the meeting tonight is to receive public comment as well as a comment from 00:21:30
the planning commissioners on the scope and content of the environmental analysis for the proposed project. 00:21:38
And so I. 00:21:48
There would be no action or resolution adopted by the Planning Commission this evening. Again, it's. 00:21:52
The primary purpose of this evenings meeting is to receive comment. 00:22:01
From the public on the scope and content of the draft Eir. 00:22:08
And so. 00:22:13
Comments can be submitted verbally this evening. 00:22:15
And comments can also be submitted. 00:22:19
Physically in writing at the address shown on this slide and this address and this information is also on the Housing element 00:22:23
website. 00:22:28
For the city and then comments may also be submitted via e-mail to the address shown. The e-mail address shown at 00:22:34
housing@cityofpacificgrove.org. 00:22:41
And again as Eileen mentioned. 00:22:48
When you frame your comments. 00:22:52
You can. 00:22:55
Them in the format of I request that the eir. 00:22:57
And this concludes. 00:23:01
The presentation and staff is ready to begin receiving comments. 00:23:04
Thank you very much. We'll go to the public. 00:23:10
You know, I'll just repeat what Miss Mahoney said. We're looking. 00:23:14
Comments about topic areas for environmental analysis. 00:23:18
Specific issues that you're concerned about. 00:23:23
Perhaps potential alternatives to the project? 00:23:27
Potential mitigation meas. 00:23:30
Approaches you think would be appropriate for the analysis and any other environmental concerns that you have. 00:23:33
So let's start with people in the room. Is there anyone, any residents here or non residents who wish to? 00:23:41
Make a suggestion or a comment. 00:23:49
We'll try to keep you to 3 minutes, OK? That's great. Thank you. You have a little timer here still. 00:23:57
Tonight I hope though. 00:24:03
OK. Anyway, I'll kind of just ballpark it, then we'll wing it. Hi, my name is. There it is. OK. My name is Vince Tumanello. I'm a 00:24:05
Pacific Rope. 00:24:09
And I'm a little shocked and aghast that the Sacramento. 00:24:14
Leaders of our state came up with a project with this scope which requires beautiful little communities like Pacific Grove. 00:24:19
Carmel, even Monterey to come up with such a ridiculous amount of new housing units without considering the character, quality of 00:24:28
life and ability of the communities to adequately provide space not only for the units themselves, but for the automobiles. 00:24:39
And school rooms and other quality and other situations in our community which are going to be overused. 00:24:49
You know, and a lot of this came about, a lot of this study came about before the hotel. 00:24:58
That's being built down across the street from the library behind the old home and building was completed and I've always 00:25:03
questioned, as many local residents have, how that's going to affect the density of. 00:25:10
In that area, you know, I mean parking is an important part of life. 00:25:17
I used to live in San Francisco, and if you didn't come home before 5:00, you weren't going to find a parking spot in your 00:25:21
neighborhood. You might be parking 10 blocks away, or paying for parking in someone's garage and so forth. 00:25:27
So I think there have been a lot of things that have been neglected. The water, the parking, the quality of life, the aesthetics 00:25:33
of the community are going to be tremendously diminished. And it's not your fault. You've been, have you've had this burden 00:25:38
foisted upon you? And I want to compliment you. You're doing the best you can under the circumstances, but to me this is like 00:25:44
dressing up a dressing up a dirty pig. 00:25:50
You know, I mean, you're doing the best you can. You're required to do this by being on the Planning Commission and I'm happy that 00:25:56
you are here because you will do, I think, all due diligence when you can, within the limits. 00:26:02
And within the limits of responsibility that you have and what actions you can really take. But I'm really shocked that the 00:26:09
Democrat legislature and a Democrat governor in California is not representing the values and needs of the working class community 00:26:16
for which the Democrat Party was very famously responsible for and touted their interest in the working class people, much of 00:26:22
which Pacific Rope is made out of. 00:26:29
And you're going to find that the life quality is going to change if this process. 00:26:37
This housing element continues and I'm hoping that among the groups, the My Neighborhood Voices group will be successful in having 00:26:41
an agenda item, or excuse me, we're having a referendum on that, one of the coming elections that will cancel this whole project 00:26:47
out before it even gets established. I mean, how many people have commented we don't have the water, Just a few years ago you 00:26:54
couldn't add a bathroom on your house. 00:27:00
Because we didn't have enough water and now we're going to build 1100 new units. OK. That's my comment. Thank you very much. 00:27:07
Anyone else in the room like to? 00:27:16
And Miss Mahoney, if I could ask you and our previous speaker, Mr. Tumonello. 00:27:20
Listed a series of issues that he's concerned. 00:27:26
Will they be interpreted as suggestions? 00:27:29
For environmental analysis. 00:27:33
Yes, we'll consider them in the IR. OK. Thank you. 00:27:36
Mr. Gibbs said. 00:27:41
Thank you, VICE Chairs Mike Gibbs again, member of the EDC and. 00:27:43
Pacifico. 00:27:47
And. 00:27:49
I'm not quite sure I understand the purpose of an EIR. I mean, I think if the general idea of it. 00:27:51
And I. 00:27:57
The agenda I read the list or the paragraph of issues that generally. 00:27:58
Addressed by the EIR and the ones that are most, I think most important to me and the people that I talked to here in town, 00:28:04
particularly business owners, right. So a Peggy and I have Peggy's here. We have a business in an office downtown here on 00:28:09
Lighthouse. 00:28:14
And in no particular order but land. 00:28:20
And planning, you know, there's always been local issues. I'd like to keep them local. I'd like to see a lot of thought in 00:28:23
addition to, you know, the big map that was put out. 00:28:28
You know, for the for the housing mandate with all the numbers and all of that have some real deep thought into what's best land 00:28:34
use for the people of Pacific Grove, the businesses that were here and make it as attractive as it is now for visitors, for 00:28:41
residents and for new businesses looking to come to Pacific Grove. Second item on the EIR that would be most important to me, 00:28:48
people I talked to and local businesses, My God, it's got to be utilities. I'm particularly power. 00:28:56
We don't control a lot of what's going on with PG&E, but we we can't control things like tree trimming, maintenance of the 00:29:04
property under under the lines PG's, and it's got some responsibility for that, but they don't really do too much. 00:29:11
And if you're a business, last week, I guess it was 2 weeks ago, businesses were down. They had to use generators and putting out 00:29:18
pollution and that kind of stuff. 00:29:23
And a lot of businesses just closed. So utilities impact on the the grid by adding these these numbers of units 1/3 wildfires. I 00:29:28
live on Alder St. 00:29:33
Just half a block from George Washington Park, there's a lot of dead vegetation there. There's not really much maintenance going 00:29:39
on. 00:29:42
And if there's new building, traffic is going to be higher, emergency services are going to be stressed and it may take longer in 00:29:47
cases of wildfire. So what will the IR do to really do an assessment of our vulnerability to our wildfires? Very interested in 00:29:53
that. The thing I don't see on the list. 00:29:58
Is quality of life. Mr. Tumonella mentioned that I went back and looked at the United Nations. They have 10 factors for cities for 00:30:05
quality of life. The five that stand out for me, I'd like to the IR to address. These are not common employment. 00:30:11
Health. 00:30:19
Education. What impact is this going to have on education? And and one of the factors is freedom, right? What freedom do we have 00:30:21
to control our own destiny? And if we don't control our own destiny, somebody, well, a state or somebody else is going to control 00:30:26
it for us. So you got your work cut out. 00:30:32
There's a lot of people in town are willing to give input and help out, and I'm here if anybody has any questions. Thank you. 00:30:38
Thank you. 00:30:45
Good evening, Peggy Gibbs, PG resident. I wanted to share something that the town of Los Gatos is doing, because they're doing the 00:30:51
same thing you're all they're struggling with and they've come up with something called a guided approach. 00:30:58
Which is because of land use. So I'm just going to read what they've come up with. It says we propose a more guided approach, 00:31:06
which. 00:31:10
Did pass with their City Council three to two vote. A guided approach steers the denser development to areas that are more fire 00:31:14
safe. 00:31:19
And more transit available and that are less likely to disrupt the historic and natural beauty of the town. So my question to 00:31:24
those that have the power is just to say could we do something similar, which is just to say when you're looking at the overlay, 00:31:32
could you be looking at where they're where it's most fire safe the most? 00:31:40
Where dense population would also have the most benefit to mass transit or transit lines. 00:31:49
And also preserve the historic and natural beauty of the town. So those are just things that I'd like to see. 00:31:55
Thought about? I'm sure you are already, but just in discussion. And then the last thing, Los Gatos also has already had eight of 00:32:03
the 11 proposed sites they've designated have had developers already put in proposals. 00:32:12
And about five of them have already gone through full proposal. 00:32:21
Have we in Pacific Grove received any proposals for any of the proposed sites for? 00:32:27
Builders Remedy. It would be good for the citizens to know that Los Gatos actually presented a list of all the properties and all 00:32:34
of the progress, not listing the developer and builder, but just which ones were already in that process. 00:32:42
Thank you. 00:32:50
Thank you. 00:32:51
Anyone else in the room wishing wishing to comment? 00:32:54
Mr. Campbell, Are there people online who have raised their hand? 00:33:01
We have. 00:33:08
Yes, good evening. Can you hear me? 00:33:13
Yes, OK. Great. Thank you for taking my comments. 00:33:17
Under the arena. 00:33:23
Proposal There are environmental constraints and it says each project will undergo a site specific. 00:33:27
Environmental. 00:33:36
Process to ensure it is built safely and in conformance with applicable building codes. 00:33:39
And safety regulations. 00:33:46
So specifically I'm talking about site 5052, also known as Salamander Field. 00:33:49
And it stated in their report that This site is owned by the Pacific Grove Unified School District. 00:33:57
I would beg to differ with that it. 00:34:05
The site is developed with the Monterey Bay Charter School. 00:34:09
It has a state preschool. It also has a continuation high school. 00:34:14
It says over 80% of the site is vacant. 00:34:20
And the owner has expressed interest in developing affordable housing. 00:34:24
The Pacific Grove Unified School District does not own that land. 00:34:30
It was given to the people of Pacific Grove. 00:34:35
There are many deed restrictions that go along with that land. 00:34:40
It is said that they would like to rezone site 52 from AU to R2. 00:34:45
You is open space and it cannot not arbitrarily be rezoned to R2. The voters of this community would have to vote on that. 00:34:54
So as far as environmental concerns, I would like to say that the Armani Park has been defined. 00:35:07
As Byna. 00:35:16
As an intensification, diverse and overcrowded households living in the Del Monte Park area. This is according to their report. 00:35:19
So in a community that's already intensified with development? 00:35:32
I would like to have the environmental impact report. 00:35:39
Considering noise and specifically wildfire, the area of Salome underfield is surrounded by forest. 00:35:46
Who will pay for the utilities? 00:35:56
There are no water meters there. Where would the water come from? 00:35:58
I would like them to address traffic flow. There's only two roads in and out of the Del Monte Park area. 00:36:03
And I would also like them to talk about the impact to wildlife. 00:36:12
That field is full of wildlife, birds, deer, Also power lines with the power lines. 00:36:18
Umm buried. 00:36:27
So if the EIR could please consider all these points, I would really appreciate it. Thank you. 00:36:29
Thank you. 00:36:36
We have Mars. 00:36:44
Thank you. Good evening, Planning commissioners, a couple of things I'd like to. 00:36:52
Add. 00:37:02
To what's already been. 00:37:02
1st. 00:37:05
I think this meeting has been a surprise. I mean, we had a big storm, a lot of PG lost its power. In fact, a City Council meeting 00:37:07
was cancelled and RE. 00:37:15
To this Wednes. 00:37:23
I don't think a lot of people were prepared for this meeting. 00:37:26
In fact, a friend of mine just saw noted on next door. Otherwise I wouldn't have even known about it. I mean, we don't. We're not 00:37:32
fixated on checking. 00:37:38
Agenda. 00:37:46
Of the city because, well, we have lives to lead, OK. Secondly, I guess the state did reply to the initial revised presentation to 00:37:48
them for the affordable housing. 00:37:57
Element and they have a lot of concerns, so I'm not sure. 00:38:06
Why? 00:38:11
UH Housing Department CDD is galloping along. 00:38:13
Through the EIR and the sudden meetings when. 00:38:18
I don't think they've really answered some of the questions to that. The state HCD. 00:38:23
Uh are. 00:38:30
And thirdly, I would like to speak to Site 56 at 1025 Lighthouse Ave. 00:38:32
Which is the P. 00:38:43
USD owned property it will have erroneously. 00:38:45
Noted as being city of PG property. It is not. 00:38:51
And has an adult school there and also deed restrictions. 00:38:57
Much like site 52. 00:39:05
And so there's not only a. 00:39:08
A problem with reassigning? 00:39:12
At zoning. 00:39:16
But it would have to go. 00:39:17
To a public referendum, but also there are deed restrictions and for educational use only. 00:39:19
Umm, going into business with UH housing developers isn't education. 00:39:28
Use only and thirdly, Monterey. 00:39:35
Sorry, Monarch Butterfly Sanctuary is right next door. 00:39:41
To site 56 and that would be terrible to build near it. Thank you. 00:39:46
Thank you. 00:39:53
We have Susan. 00:39:58
Hello, Susan Caitlin. 00:40:05
And I appreciate the opportunity to comment. 00:40:07
And much like the previous speaker. 00:40:12
I have to really be aware and really pay attention to get information from the city, from the Planning Commission about what's 00:40:16
going on because going to craft fairs and. 00:40:21
Farmers Markets really doesn't cut it as far as a robust community outreach. 00:40:28
So my first point regarding the sequel analysis is the land use and planning and site 52, which is at David Ave. which is also 00:40:34
owned by the Pacific Grove Unified School District, much as the previous commenter mentioned. 00:40:42
Cannot be sold, much less developed as it is zoned. 00:40:51
You and it can only be legally rezoned by a 2/3 majority of the Pacific Row Voters, and I know that because I've specifically 00:40:56
worked on that initiative. 00:41:01
And also the deed restrictions on that require that it be only be used for educational purposes. So I don't understand why the why 00:41:09
the Pacific Grove Unified School District is in the real estate business. 00:41:15
So and then regarding the next point on the sequel analysis regarding recreation and passive recreation. 00:41:23
Del Monte Park, by the terms of the housing plan, is determined to be the most diverse and overcrowded household population in all 00:41:32
of Pacific Grove. 00:41:38
So if this passive recreation use of Salamander field across the by the David Ave. school site. 00:41:45
Is developed, we will have absolutely no open space for the most diverse and overcrowded household population in Pacific Grove. 00:41:55
So I really encourage that the. 00:42:07
The invite, dear. Seriously consider. 00:42:11
And um. 00:42:16
That reducing the impacts of the cart of. 00:42:19
Global warming requires that carbon sinks, which are undeveloped properties that absorb more carbon than they release, that that 00:42:23
seriously be considered. 00:42:30
In the EIR analysis of what's going on in the city, I think that working with infill and intensification of what's already 00:42:37
developed. 00:42:42
Is the most important thing to consider because the quality of life. 00:42:48
Is. 00:42:53
Or the quality of life. And I thank you very much for the opportunity to present this. Thank you. 00:42:54
Thank you. 00:43:01
We have Jane H. 00:43:07
Can you hear me now? 00:43:15
Yes. Oh. 00:43:17
I've already submitted comments that were attached to your agenda report, but I I want to say that I was a planning Commissioner 00:43:20
back between 1987 and 1990. 00:43:26
And at that time, we were in the process of writing the 1994 General Plan and twice a year Lady Dan Curtin, who was an eminent 00:43:32
California land use attorney. 00:43:37
Spoke to us and to planning commissions from throughout the the peninsula for all day meetings at Hopkins Marine Station Library 00:43:42
and Dan Curtains stressed that a general plan was a constitution for cities for future use a land use growth. 00:43:51
I don't think I've ever heard your Planning Commission speak of the General Plan that way, but I'm here tonight to urge you to 00:44:01
start doing so. 00:44:05
This Planning Commission is a great group. I've watched two and I beg you to start thinking about the general plan the way we did. 00:44:11
Look at the street you live on. They're probably 11:50 homes in your block. 00:44:19
How do you want those new homes to fit? 00:44:24
Please think about how you want PG to look 30 years from now, identify the potential environmental impacts and respond to the 00:44:27
notice of preparation accordingly. And this is not just to the planning Commissioners, but to the public. 00:44:33
The General plan is is considered the Constitution for cities future growth. 00:44:41
My Planning Commission back in the 80s. 00:44:48
Took seriously that we were writing the Constitution for Pacific Coast future land use. 00:44:51
And over the years, that purpose has just faded as planning directors who seem not to care about that. 00:44:57
But. 00:45:05
That didn't stop me from responding to the notice of preparation. I hope it doesn't stop anyone. 00:45:06
Either I hope you'll take a look at my comments which are attached to your pack. 00:45:11
Umm, so I hope. 00:45:16
Listeners tonight. 00:45:19
Well. 00:45:21
Your comments are going to have to be taken seriously. 00:45:22
Umm, that's the law and so I hope that you'll comment. 00:45:26
The various factors that are listed in the NOP the aesthetics, the air quality, biological resources, cultural resources, 00:45:31
greenhouse. 00:45:35
Gas, water quality, land use, noise, population, Public services, recreation, transportation, traffic, utilities. 00:45:39
And so I'm just here to encourage this Planning Commission to think more about the general plan than I've seen any evidence that. 00:45:48
The Pacific Rd. Planning Commission in recent years has thought about the purpose of a general plan. 00:45:58
OK. Thank you. Bye. 00:46:04
Thank you. 00:46:06
Anyone else, Mr. Camp? 00:46:15
I do not see any other online commenters. 00:46:18
I don't see anyone else at the moment either. 00:46:35
Well, let's let's stop a public comment at this point and come to the commissioners and see. 00:46:42
But questions or suggestions or comments? 00:46:49
Who would like to go? 00:46:56
Well, it's bad for him for the chair to go first, but I'll I'll take a crack at a few things in the hope of getting. 00:47:05
Discussion going. 00:47:12
I understand that the Cir. 00:47:14
You know, covers the housing element, the zoning amendments and the general plan update. 00:47:19
Will the impacts identified in the EIR be linked specifically to one of those pieces? 00:47:24
In other words, will the IR say you know the housing element would have this impact? 00:47:32
The zoning would have that impact. Will it, will it be at that level? 00:47:38
Of detail. 00:47:43
So the Vice chair Murphy, Joe Sedora from CDD. 00:47:47
The. 00:47:53
Draft EIR will analyze the potential impacts of these proposed amendments. 00:47:54
Based on. 00:48:04
At a programmatic level, I'm sorry, not at a project detail level specific because there's no actual development that will be 00:48:06
proposed. 00:48:10
As part of. 00:48:15
This project it's all programmatic. 00:48:18
Level analysis in terms of what could potentially be developed and what could potentially or what would the potential impacts. 00:48:23
And so those that analysis would be tied to the specific amendments for rezoning and of particular sites or rezoning. 00:48:34
Districts. And I'm going to ask Miss Mahoney if she has anything else to add to that. 00:48:47
Yeah. 00:48:52
The ER will look at the project as a whole, including all of those pieces. But for example, if there's a impact on one site but 00:48:54
not on other housing sites, then we will specifically describe that. 00:48:59
I think my my question is a little bit different would. 00:49:07
You know, we're looking. 00:49:10
The housing element yet the general plan update. 00:49:12
And the zoning? 00:49:15
Will the impacts be linked specifically to one of those? 00:49:17
Things that you're looking. 00:49:22
No, because those three things are very interlinked, I see. 00:49:23
OK. Thank you. And and clearly what we're looking at is, I think is the 8 year period of. 00:49:27
And what? 00:49:34
What assumptions are we making about? 00:49:37
How many new residents we might have assuming that we meet arena number, you know, assuming that we have 1100 plus new units? 00:49:41
How do you determine what estimate you use of how many? 00:49:52
Would live in. 00:49:55
We will use the Department of Finance statistics for the number of people per household to estimate population growth. 00:49:58
Do they? That's based on the existing. 00:50:07
People per household in Pacific Grove data, but wouldn't that? 00:50:11
And that doesn't necessarily assume 1100 new? 00:50:16
Yes. So we'll take the total number of units that the project would allow and we'll use that Department of Finance persons per 00:50:20
household data to estimate the population that could be accommodated by the project. I see. At this point, do you have any sense 00:50:26
of what that number is or? 00:50:32
No, I have not looked it up yet. 00:50:39
I did a little reading today and one of the things I thought I learned. 00:50:47
Was that? 00:50:52
EIR mitigation meas. 00:50:56
Should be interpreted in, should be. 00:50:59
And placed in the General Plan policies and programs. 00:51:04
And in terms of the housing element, is that something we? 00:51:11
Planning on doing and it sort of seems late to do that, but I if I understand what I read, that's something that should be done. 00:51:16
And and perhaps I didn't understand what I read. 00:51:23
We're not doing a full general plan update with this project. We're only dealing with the housing element and pieces of the land 00:51:26
use and safety elements to implement the housing element. So those are the only. 00:51:32
Elements of the general plan that might have changes and that may include. 00:51:38
Mitigation. 00:51:42
For new policies, but only as it relates to those elements. 00:51:44
Yeah. So I guess, I'm sorry, I'm left with the same question if there are. 00:51:48
Impacts identified from the draft housing element. 00:51:52
And mitigations linked to those impacts. 00:51:55
Don't those mitigations have to be listed in our housing element? 00:51:58
Policies and. 00:52:03
And programs. 00:52:05
Not necessarily. There's a couple of different ways to do mitigation. 00:52:06
Thinking about programmatic mitigation for from a general plan perspective, where if we were doing a full general plan update then 00:52:10
ideally the plan would be self mitigating, it would have those policies in it that would reduce environmental impacts. 00:52:17
But because we're not doing that full update, some of the mitigation measures will be separate from. 00:52:25
The elements that were that we are updating. 00:52:30
And they'll be included in the mitigation monitoring plan, which the city will implement. 00:52:33
OK. Thank you. 00:52:38
Are there other Commissioner Sawyer? 00:52:41
I have a number of questions. 00:52:48
And minor based on. 00:52:51
The comments that the HCD sent to us in regards to our housing element and that is part of what you'll be looking at with the EIR, 00:52:56
but it feels as though. 00:53:02
We don't have a good feel of our inventory of the land is suitable and available. 00:53:09
We also there were questions in regards to not having a complete site analysis. 00:53:16
So how is that? 00:53:23
Wrapped around so that we can have that as part of the EIR, because it feels like we're approaching this from a very sort of 00:53:26
scattered perspective. 00:53:31
Because we have a housing element that's in a draft form, it has some major issues with it. 00:53:37
That need to be fixed and now we're trying to do an EIR. It feels like we're kind of. 00:53:42
Running after everything I meant, and I know that they're a little bit different, but I just have a strong concern about how is 00:53:48
the housing element going to be melded with it, EIR when it's not as complete as it should be and there are some gaping holes. 00:53:56
So the updates as I understand it to the housing element sites inventory. 00:54:09
Are not going to affect. 00:54:14
The sites that have been selected as housing sites that we're looking at in the EIR, those sites are largely going to remain the 00:54:17
same. 00:54:20
All of the background research and everything that you're talking about with the HCD comments that we got is going to be in the 00:54:24
background of the housing element. So that will be updated, but that information does not necessarily affect the IR analysis. 00:54:30
And why would it not affect the EIR analysis? I'm just curious. I don't understand because. 00:54:37
It's looking at the same thing. 00:54:44
Because the sites are not going to change. 00:54:47
Very much. 00:54:50
At all. You don't know that though. I mean, we don't have complete information. I'm just curious about that. 00:54:51
I mean, I think the question the Commissioner is asking is the same one that a member of the public asked. 00:55:05
You know the housing element is in flux. It's not a final document. 00:55:10
And at the same time, we're starting environmental review. How? How does the environmental review catch up to the changes? 00:55:15
In in the document. 00:55:23
So, Commissioner Sawyer and Vice Chair Murphy, so I. 00:55:28
As of. 00:55:34
The consultant, Rincon is moving forward with the analysis based on the current sites inventory if that. 00:55:36
Sites inventory were to change in the future based. 00:55:45
City Council. 00:55:51
Then that that would be addressed at that future. 00:55:53
Once that direction is received. 00:55:58
And and if the site's inventory were to change, then yes, that would. 00:56:01
Change. 00:56:07
Sites that would have to be analyzed in the EIR. 00:56:12
Well, that begs. 00:56:16
Through the way here. 00:56:19
HCD is saying that we need to develop. 00:56:22
Better site inventory, More information. They're not happy with what they receive. So now what? 00:56:27
I mean, the council is going to tell you that you need to do with the, HCD says. 00:56:34
I mean, the HCD seems to say already that we're we're having an issue with our. 00:56:39
Housing element and I'm just wondering. 00:56:45
Can we get that fixed and then put all this together? 00:56:47
I believe Miss Wagner from the City Attorney's Office has some comments to make regarding the. 00:56:52
Great. Thank you. Thank you. And you know, I understand the intersection between the project and you know, being the housing 00:57:00
element and then the scoping discussion on the E. 00:57:04
You know, we're not here tonight to get into the specifics of the HCD comment letter and or the responses to those comments. 00:57:09
I think it's important to understand that as a programmatic EIRI believe that it's looking at. 00:57:16
The overall increase that is proposed by the arena and the buffer, if sites you know adjust to provide capacity elsewhere than 00:57:21
currently identified, we will look at that as we continue to develop the EIR. But the project description is in fact you know, 00:57:29
providing the the density that we are required to provide to to meet the city's arena. 00:57:37
And I'd be happy to have Rincon, you know, jump in on that too to give their perspective. But we have been talking about that at 00:57:46
the staff level and how that's addressed in the EIR process as we move forward. As you guys all know, we can't adopt the housing 00:57:51
element until the EIR is completed And you'll take an action, you'll make a recommendation and the council will take an action on 00:57:56
the EIR. 00:58:02
And then look at the the project adoption. So as you have a programmatic EIR, they they do kind of evolve together as the 00:58:08
programmatic document is finalized. 00:58:13
Thank you. 00:58:21
Yes, Commissioner, sorry. 00:58:24
In regards to EIR issues, when it's looking at noise, if generators could be added, we just had a substantial. 00:58:27
Storm and there were a lot of generators and at present I don't believe we have looked at noise from generators in the city, nor 00:58:37
do we have any sort of. 00:58:43
Municipal code in regards to that and it would sort of meld together with that. 00:58:51
And then my last question for right now is I see that. 00:58:56
Miss Kroger has written. 00:59:01
Letter to the F1 in the S1 tribe and they have indicated that they would be happy to participate. 00:59:05
In the General Plan update and has a meeting been set up with? 00:59:16
Welcome, Miss Kroger. 00:59:32
Thank you, Commissioner Sawyer. Yes, we do have a meeting set up. We have recurring meetings with the local tribes for our region, 00:59:33
including the Esalen tribe, as well as the ocean. Only Costa Noon. 00:59:41
SL. 00:59:51
Yes. And so you will be providing your comments so that we can. 00:59:52
Understand where they're coming from. 00:59:58
Yes. OK. Thank you. 01:00:00
Commission do. 01:00:05
Thank you. First, the question as far as transportation goes and improving public transportation if the IR says that? 01:00:07
We'll probably do an analysis of the current public transportation. 01:00:17
Would it be possible that the ERI might recommend improving public transportation? And if it does, how does how does it go from? 01:00:21
A recommendation to. 01:00:29
Commissioner Lisanski, if. 01:00:45
Improvements to public transportation are identified as a potential impact. 01:00:48
In the EIR then, those would be identified as a mitigation measure and. 01:00:54
The mitigation measure would include. 01:01:00
Measures needed for implementation. 01:01:06
Of that measure, either via the city or private developers. 01:01:10
It's commissioned. 01:01:15
And another question is, I was glad to see that passive housing was discussed in the housing element. 01:01:17
And using that design. 01:01:24
And I'd like to have the IR consider passive passive housing standards. 01:01:27
For building, that would help with. 01:01:33
Quality of life. It will help with utilities and. 01:01:38
I know there's an initial upfront cost, but it would help future cost. 01:01:44
The people living there and improve their quality of life as well. 01:01:49
Thank you. 01:01:54
Anyone else at this point? 01:01:59
Mr. 01:02:02
Thank you, Chair. 01:02:11
And you started off and you asked a couple questions I was going to ask, but I'm going to repeat them again. If I understand, we 01:02:13
have 11125 units that we have to build and then putting a buffer on that, that brings us to 13150 units. 01:02:20
So if we get one new person in. 01:02:29
Each unit doing a parametric study since we don't seem to know what number we should be using yet. 01:02:33
You know, that's 11, that's 13. 01:02:41
50 new people in the town. That's 13150 new cars for transportation. 01:02:45
Now if there's two people in A. 01:02:51
That double S at 27. 01:02:53
If there's one or two kids in each. 01:02:56
In addition to two. 01:02:59
A parametric study would say we have to add we're going to have an addition in our population of 5400 people. 01:03:02
With one child and two adults, it's 4000 people. 01:03:09
And we're going to have an addition of cars. 01:03:13
The idea of not having public transportation just seems strange not to be in an EIR. 01:03:16
I guess I'm not sure what the document really is going to produce. 01:03:24
So I'd like some more detail about what what is going into the document. I saw the 20 requirements here. 01:03:30
I guess each one has a breakdown underneath. Is there a breakdown underneath that we could see that's on each one of these a 01:03:37
subset? 01:03:40
Of what would be looked at so that you know, there's some confidence and then we're getting an. 01:03:45
Yes, there's the sequel guidelines at the end. There's an Appendix G checklist that has a number of questions for each of those 01:03:50
impact areas. 01:03:54
Those are the questions that we'll be answering in the IR. 01:03:58
Thank you. 01:04:04
Mr. Ozenski, thanks for for allowing me more time. 01:04:07
I have another comment. 01:04:14
Rockability would also be a mitigation strategy and. 01:04:17
So I was wondering if the year I could do an analysis of being able to walk to grocery stores for example. 01:04:22
You know something or or to other types of businesses and schools and and. 01:04:30
And using alternative biking modes such as bicycles. Umm. 01:04:36
Thank you. 01:04:44
The the city has chosen not to. 01:04:49
The city has chosen not to update the circulate circulation element at this point. 01:04:58
My belief is we'll have to do that fairly quickly. 01:05:05
Would we then do a supplemental EIR for that? How would that work? 01:05:10
Good evening, Sir Megan Jones. I'm the principal in charge of the EIR. It would depend on what that includes. We have 01:05:21
preliminarily talked about that and what the scope would be. We would sort of hope it could possibly be an E IR addendum, but it's 01:05:27
going to really depend on what that circulation element includes. And so we really can't answer that question until we have that. 01:05:33
But the idea with doing a programmatic EIR now is to facilitate tearing later. 01:05:39
For other projects or programs I see. 01:05:45
People have residents have brought up par. 01:05:49
And to me when I hear parking. 01:05:53
I think of circulation element. 01:05:55
Typically, does the need for parking or the lack of parking? 01:05:58
Umm, does that come up in environmental reports that is having impacts one way or the other? 01:06:04
Parking is actually specifically. 01:06:15
Considered an environmental impact under Sequa. Yeah. Thank you very much. 01:06:18
Other comments and. 01:06:24
Mr. 01:06:28
I was just looking at the housing types that might be available and I was wondering if we could look at ADUS in specific in. 01:06:31
Looking at strategies of producing adus that would fit within our city. 01:06:44
And then I was also curious to look at the impact of rezoning and what that would do to traffic and walkability, especially in the 01:06:52
downtown area. Thank you. 01:06:58
Anyone else? 01:07:08
Traditionally with I'm I'm not familiar with programmatic ears. I'm just familiar with the IRS for development development 01:07:15
projects. So this is this is different. 01:07:20
But in those ears. 01:07:25
You know a no project alternative and there are other. 01:07:28
And with this I don't understand how that would how that would fit. 01:07:33
Can you just briefly describe how that would work with in a programmatic EIR on policy documents? 01:07:38
We do still look at alternatives for programmatic documents. In this case it would be more like a number program alternative 01:07:44
instead of no project. 01:07:49
And then we'll also look at several other scenarios that maybe will be developed along the way depending on what impacts come out 01:07:55
of the analysis. 01:07:59
In a simple minded way, I mean the no. 01:08:04
I mean, that's not possible. We have to have a new housing element we have to have. 01:08:07
Zoning to support it, we have to have the. 01:08:11
Element in agreement so. 01:08:14
There is no. 01:08:17
So we can't really have no project or I'm missing something? 01:08:19
Yeah, that's. 01:08:24
OK, OK. 01:08:25
Something that comes up in developers with development. 01:08:29
Growth inducing and sometimes that's a bad thing and sometimes I guess it's it's sort of neutral. 01:08:33
But the whole purpose of the housing element is to induce, induce growth and the whole purpose of our zoning amendments. 01:08:39
Will be to accommodate the. 01:08:47
How does that work then in the EIR as far as analyzing the growth inducing? 01:08:51
You know, effects of what we're doing. 01:08:58
We will look at growth inducing impacts of the project in that in this case it will be focused on you know, outside the city 01:09:01
because we're already looking at the growth that would be caused by the project within the city. 01:09:07
And I and I think there's usually a long list of outside agencies we have to. 01:09:16
Contact us as part of the EIR. 01:09:22
To have them comment, do we have the list? 01:09:25
The agencies were going to be. 01:09:30
The agencies that would be contacted would either be contacted as part of the. 01:09:37
Evaluation or analysis of the project as necessary. 01:09:47
And then also when the draft eir is. 01:09:51
The IT would be circulated. 01:09:55
For comment to. 01:09:59
Public agencies, including agencies at the state. 01:10:03
The the draft EIR would be filed at both the county and with the state clearing house. 01:10:07
And even though we're not doing circulation, we do. 01:10:14
Contact ANSI for. 01:10:19
Their response or comment is. 01:10:21
Umm. 01:10:26
It would probably. 01:10:33
Well, again, it would depend upon the the analysis. 01:10:35
In the. 01:10:40
And. 01:10:42
I mean not that MC could. 01:10:46
Contact. 01:10:49
But at this point, it's UN. 01:10:52
More unknown, I should say whether or not. 01:10:55
There would be any impacts directly related to regional trans? 01:10:59
Again, forgive me, I'm an amateur with this, but my understanding was that for any kind of general plan update. 01:11:05
EIR, the local transportation agency, has to be contacted. 01:11:12
Just for what it's worth. 01:11:16
And that's under title 14. 01:11:21
1508685. 01:11:23
Other other comments or questions from Commissioner Nozinski, I'd like the IR to consider. 01:11:28
Do an analysis of the noise caused from traffic. 01:11:36
And the impact that would have on quality of life. 01:11:44
Mr. Davidson. 01:11:53
If I can just ask a clarifying question, I think a lot of the things we're talking tonight are mostly around transportation, but 01:11:55
it sounds like we're not doing. 01:11:59
Circulation element for this. So is there a time that those will be addressed or is this kind of the time to do that? 01:12:05
Could you repeat the question, please? Yeah, it seems like a lot of the concerns, I think, particularly from the Commission. 01:12:17
Is around impacts from traffic, from parking, from things that seem like transportation? Is there another time that would be 01:12:24
better suited for us to ask those questions and make those requests or is now the time to do that? 01:12:29
Now would be the best time to to raise any concerns that you have. 01:12:38
However. 01:12:45
If you think of something later, by all means contact staff and and let us know what your concern is. 01:12:47
Cool. 01:12:54
Mr. 01:12:57
I feel like I'm going to be beating a dead horse, but I'm going to go ahead and do it anyway. 01:13:00
If we're going to be looking at environmental things and we're going to have an increase in housing. 01:13:06
And an increase in. 01:13:14
Why are we not looking at circulation and the impact on our city? I don't understand that. 01:13:16
Hi, I just want to make a point of clarification. So tonight we're talking about the IR. Of course the IR is looking at. 01:13:29
The housing element, the zoning general plan, so we will be looking at transportation as part of that. So we will be looking at 01:13:34
transportation impacts of that potential development from the housing element. The general plan piece of the scope of work doesn't 01:13:41
include updating the circulation element. So the policies around parking, things like that, but we are looking at impacts. 01:13:47
From this particular project, does that help clarify? So traffic is included, but we're not doing the policy side of traffic? 01:13:54
Hope that helps. Thank you that that helps a lot. Thank you very much. 01:14:03
Yeah, Mr. 01:14:09
Would it be safe to assume? 01:14:10
Just for example, a potential mitigation measure in the EIR might be. 01:14:13
To recommend changes to the transportation element is. 01:14:18
The kind of mitigation that they come out of. 01:14:23
We can consider that. 01:14:28
Several times we've mentioned. 01:14:34
The site inventory. 01:14:37
Just so that we. 01:14:39
The. 01:14:41
Is going to look at site by site. 01:14:43
And the. 01:14:47
Density recommended in the housing element and analyzed potential impacts site by site is that. 01:14:50
Is that correct? 01:14:56
We will get into details on specific sites as needed. Most of the analysis will be on the whole program as a whole. 01:14:59
Thank you. 01:15:08
Mr. 01:15:11
I was just wondering, as we heard from some of the public, when we get ready to look at the draft EIR. 01:15:13
How will that period of comments be made known to the public? Because it feels like perhaps we might want to do a. 01:15:23
Bigger outreach than we had previously. 01:15:35
So I'm just wondering if you've thought about that it will there be public meetings? What has your intent been to? 01:15:38
Get more public. 01:15:45
Hello, is the microphone on? Thank you. Hi, I'm Karen Vaughn, Community Development Director. And I wanted to hit on just a few of 01:15:58
the questions and comments that have come up. So first of all, to reiterate, as Eileen had on the slide, the schedule slide, we 01:16:04
are really at step one. 01:16:11
So I apologize if it appears that we're not able to answer some of the questions that you have about impacts and project 01:16:18
alternatives. We just simply aren't there yet. So those are the things that were once we issue the NOP and we begin work, those 01:16:25
are the things that we are working on in terms of staff. 01:16:31
And Rincon and all of the sub consult. 01:16:38
In terms of other agencies that will be notified, that's another thing that we're working on right now. We're going to identify 01:16:43
who are the partner agencies, other responsible agencies. 01:16:48
So we will be compiling that list again because we're at step one. We just don't have that prepared for you tonight. 01:16:54
I think. 01:17:04
Commissioner Kubica, you may have mentioned or stated that the city will build. 01:17:07
1100 or 1300 homes under the arena allocation and I want to correct that because the city is not required to build anything. 01:17:11
Doing a housing element means that we have to accommodate and allow for development. 01:17:21
Meaning we have to have parcels of land that are zoned appropriately to allow for the capacity of those units, but we don't. We as 01:17:27
the city don't have any. 01:17:33
The market will do what it's going to do. We may have some developers come in and want to do some housing development. We may not 01:17:39
have any come in and do housing development. 01:17:44
Under the The new housing. 01:17:49
So I just want to make clear for you all and for the public that this does not mean that the city is building. 01:17:52
1300. 01:17:58
And then finally, I think there was a question on project alternatives that the EIR will look at. 01:18:01
What we do first is we're going to analyze the project itself. 01:18:08
That will tell us what impact areas we need to look at. 01:18:13
And then we from there we identify alternatives to try to minimize. 01:18:17
Those impacts. 01:18:22
So right now, again, at the very first step, we don't have all of those alternatives. 01:18:23
Identified because we don't yet know what impacts that we want to try to reduce. 01:18:29
Or minimize by identifying additional alternative projects to look at. 01:18:34
So I hope that helps to maybe answer a few questions. 01:18:39
And then again tonight, you know the intent is to take in comments on the scoping. 01:18:43
We're doing our best to answer some of the questions that you may have, but please bear with us an understanding that we're really 01:18:50
at the very first step. 01:18:54
Thank you very much. 01:19:00
Mr. 01:19:04
In the in light of. 01:19:06
Community Development director just said. 01:19:10
It seems there's a disconnect between. 01:19:14
We the city. 01:19:17
Promise that those houses, those units will be built by 1931 or 2031? Excuse me. 01:19:19
Until my age. 01:19:26
And so I'm wondering if the OR I'm recommending that the EIR consider. 01:19:29
In making assumptions about how many people those housing units, those 12150 or whatever the number is will generate. 01:19:33
Well, they also I would recommend that the IR also include an analysis. 01:19:42
Of how realistic that is in relation to historic population growth and population trends. So that there's a kind of a dual 01:19:48
discussion of that subject because one. 01:19:53
Pie in the sky. In a perfect world, we. 01:20:00
You know, 1000. 01:20:02
Plus units. But if that's unrealistic in the real world, I think there should be. 01:20:04
Kind of a dualistic discussion of. 01:20:09
I guess I'd like you know we've asked a lot of questions but we haven't done very much as far as suggesting things to be to be 01:20:15
analyzed. 01:20:19
To me. 01:20:23
You know the sequel list of. 01:20:25
And 20 environmental issues, you know, all of them make sense sense to me. 01:20:27
The issues that Jane Haynes recommended in her her letter makes sense to me. 01:20:34
Possible exception to pick? 01:20:41
But I think the others. 01:20:43
All. 01:20:46
The issues we heard from the podium not always expressed as I suggest you study this, but I think the the residents were clear 01:20:47
about what they're worried about. 01:20:52
So I I think you have. 01:20:57
A list of things. 01:21:00
To address and. 01:21:04
And again, I'm only. 01:21:06
Ears for development. 01:21:08
But I've never come across an EIR where the first draft was. 01:21:10
Four or five months. 01:21:16
Is that is. 01:21:18
I guess how? 01:21:21
Can you make that schedule? It just doesn't seem reasonable to me. 01:21:22
It is a very aggressive schedule, but we believe we can meet the deadlines good. 01:21:26
And. 01:21:32
Part of the presentation was. 01:21:34
Deadline of December 30. 01:21:38
The end of the year for this work to. 01:21:41
What would happen if we were to miss that deadline? 01:21:44
I'm happy to jump in on that one chair, unless staff would prefer to take the first cut at it. 01:21:56
Go ahead. Thank you. 01:22:02
Yes. So as as you well know, there was a statutory adoption deadline for the housing element of December 15, 2023. We talked at 01:22:03
the Planning Commission and at the Council about the deadline to do any rezonings that are necessary to provide capacity to meet 01:22:08
arena. 01:22:13
That deadline can be three years unless, but only if the city has adopted a housing element that's been certified by HCD within 01:22:19
120 days of that December 15, 2023 deadline. It's I will say it's highly unlikely and almost a certainty that that is not going to 01:22:27
happen for Pacific Grove. So in that case you have one year. 01:22:34
From the adoption deadline or from until December 15, 2024 to complete those rezonings. So that that December deadline is really a 01:22:42
rezoning deadline because we've coupled the EIR work. 01:22:50
And with all of the pieces that make sense, that timing is coinciding with that statutory deadline to adopt the rezonings. 01:22:57
And again, I'm sorry. 01:23:09
The question is, what happens if we miss the dead? 01:23:12
If you missed the deadline to adopt the rezonings, HCD will not certify your housing element until that rezoning work is done. 01:23:15
There are other implications for not having a certified housing element, which can include not being able to obtain certain grant 01:23:23
funds that are provided through HCD. It can include enforcement actions being brought by the Attorney General's office. There's a 01:23:31
whole process that Creek goes before that would happen. 01:23:38
As we've talked a lot about the builders remedy, which remains in effect until the city has an an adopted. 01:23:47
Housing element and HCD says a certified housing element. So there are those. Those risks are still present. 01:23:54
Thank, Thank you. 01:24:04
Commissioner. 01:24:08
I guess I didn't understand clearly. 01:24:12
We're doing the EIR or the EIR is supposed to be being done to the one of the one of the three items that were mentioned and one 01:24:16
was the housing element. It's being done to the housing element that we currently have. 01:24:23
And what I understand now is that. 01:24:31
There may be changes to that. So will this ear. 01:24:34
Encompass the changes, or does something have to happen to have the EIR then encompass the new changes? 01:24:39
Like if there's different sites that have to come up, it's the rewrite of the EIR comes and says OK. 01:24:49
Because what the state sent to us, and I guess it's a six or eight page list of questions we changed some of these sites will the 01:24:55
EIR. 01:24:59
That started now. Then encompass the new sites that are selected. 01:25:04
Or what's the process or the interaction to change that? 01:25:08
I'm I'm happy to start that one too, unless someone from Rincon or staff wanted to address that. 01:25:16
I was going to, but I think you couldn't. 01:25:22
You go ahead, you start and then I'll. 01:25:25
I mean it's hard, it's hard to answer because we don't know, you know, it's a lot of unknowns. We would really have to revisit 01:25:28
that. 01:25:30
Thank you. I'm sorry, go ahead. I completely agree with that. And you know the the the lawyer answer of it depends is not always a 01:26:07
satisfactory answer, but it is. 01:26:13
In fact the answer in this case. 01:26:19
It will depend on the scope of the revisions. It will depend on how that impacts the analysis. 01:26:22
And there's a, you know, a whole process in SQL where you look to see if there's new or increases in impacts that have to be 01:26:27
analyzed that weren't already analyzed. 01:26:31
So it will somewhat depend on on the scope of any potential changes. 01:26:36
Thank you, Mr. Saw. 01:26:42
In in in light of all this, and I do understand there are a lot of moving parts and a lot of unknowns. 01:26:45
How are we going to be updated on? 01:26:54
What's going on? So we have a kind of an understanding of what the process is and where we're going. 01:26:57
What we might be able to do to assist in some ways? I'm just wondering how. 01:27:05
The update will happen for. 01:27:10
Commissioner Sawyer, staff. 01:27:16
We'll be providing updates to the City Council on a monthly basis and. 01:27:19
We could also provide updates to the Planning Commission as key milestones are reached. 01:27:28
Thank you. 01:27:34
Any any other comments or? 01:27:37
Mr. Cedar, if you wouldn't mind just once more reminding people here and people at home. 01:27:40
About the deadline for comments. 01:27:46
For the scoping and. 01:27:49
And how they should get them to the city. 01:27:51
Yes, Vice Chair Murphy, so comments may be submitted. 01:27:54
Until Wednesday, 5:00 PM, Wednesday, February 28th, 2024. 01:28:00
And those comments may be submitted via e-mail to housing@cityofpacificgrove.org. 01:28:06
And or written comments may also be submitted to Alyssa Kroger, the housing program manager at the address shown. And again, that 01:28:15
address is also on the city's website. It's the Community Development Department city of Pacific Grove at 300 Forest Ave. in 01:28:22
Pacific Grove. 01:28:28
Thank. Thank you very much. 01:28:37
Any anything else on this topic? 01:28:39
In that case, the topic is finished for tonight. Our next meeting is is March 14th. 01:28:44
At that point, we'll take up the. 01:28:51
That we adjourned from January. 01:28:54
And that agenda might also be amended with the additional items. 01:28:56
And I think there's also the possibility. 01:29:02
A special meeting for a site visit, although that's that hasn't been determined yet I I believe. 01:29:05
Unless the staff knows anything about our potential site visit for March. 01:29:12
In that case, we're adjourned until March 14th. Thank you very much. 01:29:22
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I'd like to call to order the special meeting of the Planning Commission on today. 00:00:15
February Fif. 00:00:21
My name is Don Murphy. I'm vice chair of the. 00:00:24
Commission I see that all Commissioners. 00:00:27
With the exception. 00:00:31
Of Commissioner Frederickson, who had let us know that he wasn't able to. 00:00:33
Tonight and before we begin the business of the meeting, I'd like to. 00:00:37
Two introductions and one is I'm delighted to introduce our new Community Development Director, Karen Vaughn. 00:00:42
And some of you might might remember. 00:00:50
Some of you might remember that. 00:00:54
Director Vaughn was here in 2008 to 10 as a senior. 00:00:56
Since then, she's worked to the north of us in Redwood City, where she was. 00:01:02
Principal planner and planning. 00:01:07
In Redwood City and in San Mateo County. 00:01:11
And then she went to the South of us, where she was. 00:01:14
Community development director and that's one point interim city manager in Moorpark in in Ventura County. 00:01:18
And she. 00:01:27
Experienced. 00:01:29
Planner with decades. 00:01:31
Of experience and she's been, she's certified. 00:01:33
As a member of the American Institute of Certified Planners. And that's on the basis of your academic work. 00:01:37
Your work experience. 00:01:44
And your skills as a. 00:01:47
So I'm delighted that that you're here and I'm, I'm sure I speak for the whole Commission that we're looking forward to to working 00:01:49
with you. 00:01:53
And is, is there anything you would like to say or? 00:01:58
And I'd also like to introduce our newest Planning Commissioner, Commissioner David. 00:02:08
He's a longtime Pacific Grove resident. His he and his family have been here for. 00:02:15
More than. 00:02:22
He's, uh, retired from the is an attorney retired from the law firm of Fenton and Keller. 00:02:24
Where his specialty was, was land. 00:02:31
And if you think about it, that means he's an expert in in Sequa and and state and local zoning. 00:02:34
Water law, the whole variety of issues that may may come before. 00:02:43
And he has, of course represented clients, both developers and environmental interests. 00:02:48
At bodies bodies like this, including this Planning Commission and other boards and commissions. 00:02:55
Pacific Grove, So I'd like. 00:03:05
For you, a warm welcome to and we're happy you joined us. Thank you very much. And is there anything you would like to add? Yeah, 00:03:07
I would just like to thank. 00:03:10
I would just like to thank. 00:03:17
Am I on? 00:03:19
Thank Mayor Peak and the City Council for giving me this opportunity to serve the community, and I just want to point out that I'm 00:03:20
not the first member of my family to serve the city on a. 00:03:27
Committee in the community my My youngest daughter was on the Pacific Groves. 00:03:34
School District board as the student representative during her. 00:03:40
Senior year in high school and. 00:03:45
My middle child, my daughter Ellen. 00:03:48
Appointed by Mayor Garcia to the ADA Committee, so she served on the ADA Committee. 00:03:51
So I consider myself following in my proudly following in my daughter's footsteps. 00:03:57
Thank you. 00:04:03
And it's it's time to Appro. 00:04:07
Our agenda and he I'd entertain a motion to do that. 00:04:10
Commissioner Sawyer, I make a motion to approve our agenda as noted. 00:04:16
2nd. 00:04:22
And all in favor of approving the agenda, please say aye aye. All opposed. 00:04:24
It passed six to zero with Commissioner Frederickson. 00:04:30
Absent and am I? 00:04:34
Mr. Campbell that we no longer need roll call votes. 00:04:39
For some items, I believe that there are certain items that are required to have roll call votes. That's correct. 00:04:44
Maybe Mary could, Mary can give. 00:04:53
Our city attorney could help us with that one. 00:04:56
Thank you for that. And thank you, Chair Members of the Commission, Mary Wagner with your City Attorney's Office. If all the 00:05:00
commissioners are present, we don't need to take A roll call vote. You can go ahead and just call for the vote and then announce 00:05:05
the results afterward. 00:05:10
But I'll. 00:05:19
But only six commissioners are present this evening rather than seven. Sorry, I should have been more clear because you're all 00:05:22
present in person and no one is participating remotely, you can vote. You don't have to have a roll call vote for every item on 00:05:27
your agenda tonight. 00:05:32
Thank. Thank you very much. 00:05:38
And now it's time for Commission and staff announcements. Is there any, are there any commissioners who have an announcement? 00:05:42
I I have one I attended the mayor's state of. 00:05:51
Address on January. 00:05:56
It was a very positive address. 00:06:00
And among the items of interest to this commissioners, he spoke. 00:06:02
About what's coming up in 2024 and he mentioned. 00:06:09
Working on Complete Streets and I think that's of interest to to members of the Commission. 00:06:14
Are there any staff announcements? 00:06:20
Seeing none, we'll we'll plunge ahead. It's time for. 00:06:27
Announcements from the Council liaison if. 00:06:31
Is in attendance and has an announce. 00:06:34
I do not see him online. 00:06:39
And he's not in the audience. 00:06:44
OK, I'll take advantage of of the mayor's presence to ask if he would have any announcements for. 00:06:48
Thank you. And does the City Attorney's office have any announcements they'd like to make, Miss Wagner? 00:06:57
Nothing from us tonight. Thank you. 00:07:03
Great. Thank you very much. 00:07:06
And next, we're on to general public comment. This is a period during all of our meetings where we allow members of the public to 00:07:09
speak to us. 00:07:12
On city related matters that under the purview of the of the Planning Commission. 00:07:17
It's not the time to talk to us about a agenda item, the scoping meeting for. 00:07:22
Our proposed environmental impact report, but any other topic is. 00:07:30
Is available and as usual, we will listen. We will not take any action tonight on any of the matters you discuss. 00:07:36
Mr. Gib. 00:07:45
Thank you, Vice Chair, Murphy, Planning Commission. Thank you for your service. You've 2024 was an eventful year. You did a lot of 00:07:49
great work. I'm always amazed by the preparation. 00:07:54
And the knowledge that you that you bring. 00:07:59
And welcome to the new member. My name is Mike Gibbs. I'm a citizen of Pacific Row and member of the Economic Development 00:08:01
Commission. I'm here at Public Comment. I know that you have a, you know, one item agenda tonight, but I would just like to make a 00:08:07
couple comments and I'm going to refer more to Arena. I'm not going to refer to the the item itself. But you all know this. I'm 00:08:13
not telling you anything. No new but the. 00:08:18
Pacific Grove Arena numbers. 00:08:24
Are you know have increased in the sixth cycle the overall state read and numbers growth is far exceeded population growth. We're 00:08:27
in California at about the population that we had in 2015. You may remember we lost a seat in Congress because of lost in 00:08:32
population groups nonetheless growth. 00:08:38
Arena numbers are up. 00:08:44
It was a lot about YIMBY. You can go online and read about Jimmy and building in my backyard and all that to me when I see who's 00:08:46
behind YIMBY, YIMBY Equals Builders Remedy. 00:08:51
3rd, RENA consolidated land use power at the state level, which I think is very dangerous. There is no substantiated link to 00:08:59
affordable units or affordable housings. There are over 4th or over 400 municipalities in the state of California, all subject to 00:09:06
the arena numbers and the goals. I know Pacific Grove was spending north of 1,000,000 bucks. 00:09:14
Most cities are spending that. 00:09:21
For. 00:09:24
$2 billion. 00:09:26
Think of what could be done with $2,000,000 for our schools, our roads, You know, that kind of stuff. The only one making money on 00:09:28
this are their consultants on the housing industry. And guess what? They're buying new houses, but they're buying them in Texas. 00:09:35
2 great philosophers on this. 00:09:44
Ronald. 00:09:47
Said the government's Don't control. 00:09:49
A government that wants to control housing. 00:09:51
Or what goes on in the local? 00:09:54
They can't do it without controlling the. 00:09:56
And the second greatest philosopher that I know of as Yog. 00:09:59
And by the way, there's a great Netflix video on Yogi in his life. He's a great ball player and we all remember what Yogi said. 00:10:03
At Hanover. 00:10:11
Until it's over. Thank you. 00:10:12
Thank you. 00:10:15
Is there anyone else here at City Hall who wants to make a public comment at this point? 00:10:16
Is there anyone online who wants to make a public comment? 00:10:23
Mr. 00:10:27
I did not see any hands. 00:10:28
Let's wait just a SEC. 00:10:32
Well, seeing none that'll end our our general public comment for for tonight. 00:10:36
And I wasn't smart enough to pay attention to our written public comments since our our last meeting in January. 00:10:41
Other than the the that came on this particular topic, are there other written public comments that we've received since January? 00:10:48
Yes. And they will be on the continued. 00:10:57
Meeting from continued from last month, so be at the March meeting. Perfect. Thank you very much. 00:11:01
Well, now we're up to our main business for tonight. It's #11, It's a presentation. It's a scoping meeting for the environmental 00:11:07
impact report for the PG Housing element update. 00:11:12
Zoning amendments and general plan amendments. 00:11:18
And I think this fugo as follows. Mr. Sidora will make a brief presentation. I believe representatives from Rincon will make a 00:11:22
presentation. 00:11:26
We'll go then to the public for their their suggestions about what we should be studying in this environmental impact report. 00:11:31
And then we'll come to the Commission for. 00:11:38
Questions and and suggest. 00:11:41
So, Mr. Sidor, I think we're ready, if you are. 00:11:45
Thank you, Vice Chair Murphy. 00:11:50
And I just want to begin by welcoming everyone to the EIR scoping meeting for the Pacific Grove Housing Element Update, Zoning 00:11:52
Amendments and General Plan Amendments project. 00:11:57
And. 00:12:04
We'll begin with a quick introduction of the. 00:12:07
Who will be participating and involved with the EIR? 00:12:11
And from the city, we have the community development director, Karen Vaughn. 00:12:17
And the housing program manager and CDD, Alyssa Kroger and myself. 00:12:22
And then with Rincon, we have Eileen Mahoney here to my right, the project manager for the EIR. 00:12:28
And Megan Jones, the principal in charge from Rincon. And there are other, of course other. 00:12:35
Consultants with Rincon, who will be involved with the development and the analysis and the creation of the EIR. 00:12:44
As we go through the. 00:12:53
And one in particular who's not here this evening is Ryan. 00:12:55
Who is? 00:13:01
One of the Co project managers with Eileen Mahoney for the. 00:13:03
Eir project as well as the housing. 00:13:08
So for the project background, this all began with the housing element update process that began with public outreach beginning 00:13:15
back several years ago or a couple of years ago. 00:13:21
And. 00:13:29
The public review draft of the housing element. 00:13:30
Began in September of 2023. 00:13:36
And. 00:13:40
The. 00:13:42
Review of that draft involved. 00:13:43
The review as well by the Planning Commission on in October, as well as the City Council and based on Planning Commission 00:13:46
recommendations and City Council direction. 00:13:52
CBD staff submitted the. 00:13:59
Draft housing element to HCD on November 2nd of 2023, which initiated the 90 day. 00:14:03
Review process by the. 00:14:12
And preliminary comments were received and some minor revisions were made. 00:14:14
To the draft housing element. 00:14:22
And. 00:14:25
Those were circulated for public review for seven days at the end or near the end of January. 00:14:29
Of 2024 and then we received. 00:14:37
The HCD frontal HCD review letter on January 31st of 2024 and those documents, the draft, the revised draft and the HCD review 00:14:41
letter as well as comment letters received from the public are available. 00:14:50
On the city's website under the Housing Element web page. 00:15:00
And the deadline for adoption of the housing element. 00:15:06
Will be. 00:15:11
December of 2020. 00:15:12
Terms of the project description for the EIR. 00:15:18
The project. 00:15:24
Of course, will include the housing element update or analysis of the housing element update. 00:15:27
To. 00:15:34
The provisions of state law that need to be. 00:15:36
Updated and to address the arena. 00:15:41
And the project will also. 00:15:45
Address or the EIR will also address the zoning amendments to implement the housing element programs. 00:15:51
Which will include rezoning of sites and updates to the zoning map. 00:15:57
And then associated general plan amendments specifically to the land use and health and safety elements to provide for consistency 00:16:02
with the housing development and the zoning amendments. 00:16:09
And the project. 00:16:17
Is the entire city of Pacific Grove. 00:16:20
However, the. 00:16:26
Analysis will be focused on the sites identified in the sites inventory in the housing element. 00:16:29
And those are shown here and then more specifically. 00:16:39
Those will include sites in the Central Early Commercial district. 00:16:46
The downtown district. 00:16:50
The Forest Hill. 00:16:54
As well as office conversion sites in the downtown area, primarily along Lighthouse and Forest. 00:16:57
And then there are other sites as well that are identified in the sites inventory. 00:17:05
That will be analyzed. 00:17:12
And so now Eileen Mahoney will provide an overview. 00:17:14
Of the environmental analysis that will be completed under the E. 00:17:21
Thank you. Thank. 00:17:26
Thank you. As mentioned earlier, my name is Eileen Mahoney and I'm overseeing the environmental review of the project. I'm going 00:17:28
to go over some background about the environmental review process, explain the purpose behind this particular meeting and briefly 00:17:33
outline the anticipated scope of the document. 00:17:37
The reason we are doing this analysis is because of the California Environmental Quality Act, or Sequa. 00:17:43
SEQUEL was passed in 1970 and at its core is all about public disclosure and input. It requires that we analyze the environmental 00:17:48
impacts of a project and take those into consideration before making a decision on a project. 00:17:53
We do that through preparing environmental review documents, including environmental impact reports or ears, which is what we are 00:17:59
doing here. 00:18:02
In addition to simply disclosing the anticipated environmental impacts, SEQUEL also requires that we seek to minimize, reduce or 00:18:06
avoid those impacts through what are called mitigation measures. 00:18:10
We also prepare and adopt and mitigation, monitoring and reporting program which typically takes takes the form of a detailed 00:18:15
table of requirements and who is responsible for seeing them out. 00:18:20
SEQUEL also requires an analysis of alternatives to the proposed project, which seek to reduce impacts by modifying the components 00:18:26
of a project. 00:18:29
Because the project is not proposed specific development, we will be conducting A programmatic analysis based on the proposed land 00:18:33
use scenario with a focus on the specific housing sites and anticipated level of development on each of those sites that would be 00:18:38
allowed by the project. 00:18:42
This slide provides an overview of the sequel review process for an environmental impact report. 00:18:48
The first step is the circulation of the Notice of preparation, during which time the lead agency, in this case the city, solicits 00:18:53
input on the content of the draft. 00:18:56
The notice of preparation for this project was published in late January. 00:19:01
We are currently on this initial step and the purpose of this meeting is to collect comments on the EIR content. 00:19:05
Next, a draft ER will be prepared and then published during the 45 day draft ER review period. Comments on the adequacy of the 00:19:11
draft dir. Are solicited. 00:19:15
Following completion of the draft EIR circulation period, a final EIR is prepared, including responses to comments on the draft 00:19:19
errata noting any changes to the draft EIR and Mitigation Monitoring program. 00:19:25
The final EIR is then published, at which time responsible agencies will consider the final. 00:19:31
Finally, the lead agency makes a decision on the project. 00:19:36
We are here today to receive scoping comments. Scoping invites public input on the environmental analysis that will be conducted. 00:19:41
Scoping comments can suggest topic areas to address, identify issues of concern, suggest potential alternatives to the project and 00:19:48
or proposed mitigation measures. 00:19:52
Scoping comments can also suggest specific approaches to the analysis and suggest other environmental considerations for the EIR 00:19:57
to cover. 00:20:00
If you would like to provide detailed comments, we encourage you to do so in writing. While by number means required, we recommend 00:20:04
framing your comment as shown on this slide. I request that the eir consider and then fill in the blank. 00:20:09
SQL requires an analysis of 20 separate issue areas, which are listed on this slide. All 20 issue areas will be addressed in the 00:20:17
EIR. Please refer to the Appendix G checklist of the SEQUEL guidelines for the exact checklist questions that will be covered in 00:20:21
the IR. 00:20:25
This slide provides an approximate schedule for publication of the EIR. We are within the first public comment period associated 00:20:32
with the publication of the NLP. 00:20:35
Another public comment period will commence when the draft EIR is published, which is anticipated in June. 00:20:39
This review period will extend for 45 days following the close of the EIR review period. The final EIR will be prepared with 00:20:45
certification of the EIR anticipated to incur in November or December of this year. 00:20:51
The draft EIR is being prepared concurrently with the land use and safety element updates, which is intended to streamline the 00:20:57
process. 00:21:00
These updates are necessary as a result of the anticipated build out on the already identified housing sites associated with the 00:21:04
Housing Element update. 00:21:08
For the purposes of Sequel, the project is ultimately future build out of those sites. 00:21:11
We will have the build up projections from the housing element before beginning on the analysis and modeling associated with the 00:21:15
EIR, which is the key consideration for many of the environmental checklist questions. 00:21:20
Now back to you, Joe. 00:21:25
Thank you. So just to reiterate again, the purpose of the meeting tonight is to receive public comment as well as a comment from 00:21:30
the planning commissioners on the scope and content of the environmental analysis for the proposed project. 00:21:38
And so I. 00:21:48
There would be no action or resolution adopted by the Planning Commission this evening. Again, it's. 00:21:52
The primary purpose of this evenings meeting is to receive comment. 00:22:01
From the public on the scope and content of the draft Eir. 00:22:08
And so. 00:22:13
Comments can be submitted verbally this evening. 00:22:15
And comments can also be submitted. 00:22:19
Physically in writing at the address shown on this slide and this address and this information is also on the Housing element 00:22:23
website. 00:22:28
For the city and then comments may also be submitted via e-mail to the address shown. The e-mail address shown at 00:22:34
housing@cityofpacificgrove.org. 00:22:41
And again as Eileen mentioned. 00:22:48
When you frame your comments. 00:22:52
You can. 00:22:55
Them in the format of I request that the eir. 00:22:57
And this concludes. 00:23:01
The presentation and staff is ready to begin receiving comments. 00:23:04
Thank you very much. We'll go to the public. 00:23:10
You know, I'll just repeat what Miss Mahoney said. We're looking. 00:23:14
Comments about topic areas for environmental analysis. 00:23:18
Specific issues that you're concerned about. 00:23:23
Perhaps potential alternatives to the project? 00:23:27
Potential mitigation meas. 00:23:30
Approaches you think would be appropriate for the analysis and any other environmental concerns that you have. 00:23:33
So let's start with people in the room. Is there anyone, any residents here or non residents who wish to? 00:23:41
Make a suggestion or a comment. 00:23:49
We'll try to keep you to 3 minutes, OK? That's great. Thank you. You have a little timer here still. 00:23:57
Tonight I hope though. 00:24:03
OK. Anyway, I'll kind of just ballpark it, then we'll wing it. Hi, my name is. There it is. OK. My name is Vince Tumanello. I'm a 00:24:05
Pacific Rope. 00:24:09
And I'm a little shocked and aghast that the Sacramento. 00:24:14
Leaders of our state came up with a project with this scope which requires beautiful little communities like Pacific Grove. 00:24:19
Carmel, even Monterey to come up with such a ridiculous amount of new housing units without considering the character, quality of 00:24:28
life and ability of the communities to adequately provide space not only for the units themselves, but for the automobiles. 00:24:39
And school rooms and other quality and other situations in our community which are going to be overused. 00:24:49
You know, and a lot of this came about, a lot of this study came about before the hotel. 00:24:58
That's being built down across the street from the library behind the old home and building was completed and I've always 00:25:03
questioned, as many local residents have, how that's going to affect the density of. 00:25:10
In that area, you know, I mean parking is an important part of life. 00:25:17
I used to live in San Francisco, and if you didn't come home before 5:00, you weren't going to find a parking spot in your 00:25:21
neighborhood. You might be parking 10 blocks away, or paying for parking in someone's garage and so forth. 00:25:27
So I think there have been a lot of things that have been neglected. The water, the parking, the quality of life, the aesthetics 00:25:33
of the community are going to be tremendously diminished. And it's not your fault. You've been, have you've had this burden 00:25:38
foisted upon you? And I want to compliment you. You're doing the best you can under the circumstances, but to me this is like 00:25:44
dressing up a dressing up a dirty pig. 00:25:50
You know, I mean, you're doing the best you can. You're required to do this by being on the Planning Commission and I'm happy that 00:25:56
you are here because you will do, I think, all due diligence when you can, within the limits. 00:26:02
And within the limits of responsibility that you have and what actions you can really take. But I'm really shocked that the 00:26:09
Democrat legislature and a Democrat governor in California is not representing the values and needs of the working class community 00:26:16
for which the Democrat Party was very famously responsible for and touted their interest in the working class people, much of 00:26:22
which Pacific Rope is made out of. 00:26:29
And you're going to find that the life quality is going to change if this process. 00:26:37
This housing element continues and I'm hoping that among the groups, the My Neighborhood Voices group will be successful in having 00:26:41
an agenda item, or excuse me, we're having a referendum on that, one of the coming elections that will cancel this whole project 00:26:47
out before it even gets established. I mean, how many people have commented we don't have the water, Just a few years ago you 00:26:54
couldn't add a bathroom on your house. 00:27:00
Because we didn't have enough water and now we're going to build 1100 new units. OK. That's my comment. Thank you very much. 00:27:07
Anyone else in the room like to? 00:27:16
And Miss Mahoney, if I could ask you and our previous speaker, Mr. Tumonello. 00:27:20
Listed a series of issues that he's concerned. 00:27:26
Will they be interpreted as suggestions? 00:27:29
For environmental analysis. 00:27:33
Yes, we'll consider them in the IR. OK. Thank you. 00:27:36
Mr. Gibbs said. 00:27:41
Thank you, VICE Chairs Mike Gibbs again, member of the EDC and. 00:27:43
Pacifico. 00:27:47
And. 00:27:49
I'm not quite sure I understand the purpose of an EIR. I mean, I think if the general idea of it. 00:27:51
And I. 00:27:57
The agenda I read the list or the paragraph of issues that generally. 00:27:58
Addressed by the EIR and the ones that are most, I think most important to me and the people that I talked to here in town, 00:28:04
particularly business owners, right. So a Peggy and I have Peggy's here. We have a business in an office downtown here on 00:28:09
Lighthouse. 00:28:14
And in no particular order but land. 00:28:20
And planning, you know, there's always been local issues. I'd like to keep them local. I'd like to see a lot of thought in 00:28:23
addition to, you know, the big map that was put out. 00:28:28
You know, for the for the housing mandate with all the numbers and all of that have some real deep thought into what's best land 00:28:34
use for the people of Pacific Grove, the businesses that were here and make it as attractive as it is now for visitors, for 00:28:41
residents and for new businesses looking to come to Pacific Grove. Second item on the EIR that would be most important to me, 00:28:48
people I talked to and local businesses, My God, it's got to be utilities. I'm particularly power. 00:28:56
We don't control a lot of what's going on with PG&E, but we we can't control things like tree trimming, maintenance of the 00:29:04
property under under the lines PG's, and it's got some responsibility for that, but they don't really do too much. 00:29:11
And if you're a business, last week, I guess it was 2 weeks ago, businesses were down. They had to use generators and putting out 00:29:18
pollution and that kind of stuff. 00:29:23
And a lot of businesses just closed. So utilities impact on the the grid by adding these these numbers of units 1/3 wildfires. I 00:29:28
live on Alder St. 00:29:33
Just half a block from George Washington Park, there's a lot of dead vegetation there. There's not really much maintenance going 00:29:39
on. 00:29:42
And if there's new building, traffic is going to be higher, emergency services are going to be stressed and it may take longer in 00:29:47
cases of wildfire. So what will the IR do to really do an assessment of our vulnerability to our wildfires? Very interested in 00:29:53
that. The thing I don't see on the list. 00:29:58
Is quality of life. Mr. Tumonella mentioned that I went back and looked at the United Nations. They have 10 factors for cities for 00:30:05
quality of life. The five that stand out for me, I'd like to the IR to address. These are not common employment. 00:30:11
Health. 00:30:19
Education. What impact is this going to have on education? And and one of the factors is freedom, right? What freedom do we have 00:30:21
to control our own destiny? And if we don't control our own destiny, somebody, well, a state or somebody else is going to control 00:30:26
it for us. So you got your work cut out. 00:30:32
There's a lot of people in town are willing to give input and help out, and I'm here if anybody has any questions. Thank you. 00:30:38
Thank you. 00:30:45
Good evening, Peggy Gibbs, PG resident. I wanted to share something that the town of Los Gatos is doing, because they're doing the 00:30:51
same thing you're all they're struggling with and they've come up with something called a guided approach. 00:30:58
Which is because of land use. So I'm just going to read what they've come up with. It says we propose a more guided approach, 00:31:06
which. 00:31:10
Did pass with their City Council three to two vote. A guided approach steers the denser development to areas that are more fire 00:31:14
safe. 00:31:19
And more transit available and that are less likely to disrupt the historic and natural beauty of the town. So my question to 00:31:24
those that have the power is just to say could we do something similar, which is just to say when you're looking at the overlay, 00:31:32
could you be looking at where they're where it's most fire safe the most? 00:31:40
Where dense population would also have the most benefit to mass transit or transit lines. 00:31:49
And also preserve the historic and natural beauty of the town. So those are just things that I'd like to see. 00:31:55
Thought about? I'm sure you are already, but just in discussion. And then the last thing, Los Gatos also has already had eight of 00:32:03
the 11 proposed sites they've designated have had developers already put in proposals. 00:32:12
And about five of them have already gone through full proposal. 00:32:21
Have we in Pacific Grove received any proposals for any of the proposed sites for? 00:32:27
Builders Remedy. It would be good for the citizens to know that Los Gatos actually presented a list of all the properties and all 00:32:34
of the progress, not listing the developer and builder, but just which ones were already in that process. 00:32:42
Thank you. 00:32:50
Thank you. 00:32:51
Anyone else in the room wishing wishing to comment? 00:32:54
Mr. Campbell, Are there people online who have raised their hand? 00:33:01
We have. 00:33:08
Yes, good evening. Can you hear me? 00:33:13
Yes, OK. Great. Thank you for taking my comments. 00:33:17
Under the arena. 00:33:23
Proposal There are environmental constraints and it says each project will undergo a site specific. 00:33:27
Environmental. 00:33:36
Process to ensure it is built safely and in conformance with applicable building codes. 00:33:39
And safety regulations. 00:33:46
So specifically I'm talking about site 5052, also known as Salamander Field. 00:33:49
And it stated in their report that This site is owned by the Pacific Grove Unified School District. 00:33:57
I would beg to differ with that it. 00:34:05
The site is developed with the Monterey Bay Charter School. 00:34:09
It has a state preschool. It also has a continuation high school. 00:34:14
It says over 80% of the site is vacant. 00:34:20
And the owner has expressed interest in developing affordable housing. 00:34:24
The Pacific Grove Unified School District does not own that land. 00:34:30
It was given to the people of Pacific Grove. 00:34:35
There are many deed restrictions that go along with that land. 00:34:40
It is said that they would like to rezone site 52 from AU to R2. 00:34:45
You is open space and it cannot not arbitrarily be rezoned to R2. The voters of this community would have to vote on that. 00:34:54
So as far as environmental concerns, I would like to say that the Armani Park has been defined. 00:35:07
As Byna. 00:35:16
As an intensification, diverse and overcrowded households living in the Del Monte Park area. This is according to their report. 00:35:19
So in a community that's already intensified with development? 00:35:32
I would like to have the environmental impact report. 00:35:39
Considering noise and specifically wildfire, the area of Salome underfield is surrounded by forest. 00:35:46
Who will pay for the utilities? 00:35:56
There are no water meters there. Where would the water come from? 00:35:58
I would like them to address traffic flow. There's only two roads in and out of the Del Monte Park area. 00:36:03
And I would also like them to talk about the impact to wildlife. 00:36:12
That field is full of wildlife, birds, deer, Also power lines with the power lines. 00:36:18
Umm buried. 00:36:27
So if the EIR could please consider all these points, I would really appreciate it. Thank you. 00:36:29
Thank you. 00:36:36
We have Mars. 00:36:44
Thank you. Good evening, Planning commissioners, a couple of things I'd like to. 00:36:52
Add. 00:37:02
To what's already been. 00:37:02
1st. 00:37:05
I think this meeting has been a surprise. I mean, we had a big storm, a lot of PG lost its power. In fact, a City Council meeting 00:37:07
was cancelled and RE. 00:37:15
To this Wednes. 00:37:23
I don't think a lot of people were prepared for this meeting. 00:37:26
In fact, a friend of mine just saw noted on next door. Otherwise I wouldn't have even known about it. I mean, we don't. We're not 00:37:32
fixated on checking. 00:37:38
Agenda. 00:37:46
Of the city because, well, we have lives to lead, OK. Secondly, I guess the state did reply to the initial revised presentation to 00:37:48
them for the affordable housing. 00:37:57
Element and they have a lot of concerns, so I'm not sure. 00:38:06
Why? 00:38:11
UH Housing Department CDD is galloping along. 00:38:13
Through the EIR and the sudden meetings when. 00:38:18
I don't think they've really answered some of the questions to that. The state HCD. 00:38:23
Uh are. 00:38:30
And thirdly, I would like to speak to Site 56 at 1025 Lighthouse Ave. 00:38:32
Which is the P. 00:38:43
USD owned property it will have erroneously. 00:38:45
Noted as being city of PG property. It is not. 00:38:51
And has an adult school there and also deed restrictions. 00:38:57
Much like site 52. 00:39:05
And so there's not only a. 00:39:08
A problem with reassigning? 00:39:12
At zoning. 00:39:16
But it would have to go. 00:39:17
To a public referendum, but also there are deed restrictions and for educational use only. 00:39:19
Umm, going into business with UH housing developers isn't education. 00:39:28
Use only and thirdly, Monterey. 00:39:35
Sorry, Monarch Butterfly Sanctuary is right next door. 00:39:41
To site 56 and that would be terrible to build near it. Thank you. 00:39:46
Thank you. 00:39:53
We have Susan. 00:39:58
Hello, Susan Caitlin. 00:40:05
And I appreciate the opportunity to comment. 00:40:07
And much like the previous speaker. 00:40:12
I have to really be aware and really pay attention to get information from the city, from the Planning Commission about what's 00:40:16
going on because going to craft fairs and. 00:40:21
Farmers Markets really doesn't cut it as far as a robust community outreach. 00:40:28
So my first point regarding the sequel analysis is the land use and planning and site 52, which is at David Ave. which is also 00:40:34
owned by the Pacific Grove Unified School District, much as the previous commenter mentioned. 00:40:42
Cannot be sold, much less developed as it is zoned. 00:40:51
You and it can only be legally rezoned by a 2/3 majority of the Pacific Row Voters, and I know that because I've specifically 00:40:56
worked on that initiative. 00:41:01
And also the deed restrictions on that require that it be only be used for educational purposes. So I don't understand why the why 00:41:09
the Pacific Grove Unified School District is in the real estate business. 00:41:15
So and then regarding the next point on the sequel analysis regarding recreation and passive recreation. 00:41:23
Del Monte Park, by the terms of the housing plan, is determined to be the most diverse and overcrowded household population in all 00:41:32
of Pacific Grove. 00:41:38
So if this passive recreation use of Salamander field across the by the David Ave. school site. 00:41:45
Is developed, we will have absolutely no open space for the most diverse and overcrowded household population in Pacific Grove. 00:41:55
So I really encourage that the. 00:42:07
The invite, dear. Seriously consider. 00:42:11
And um. 00:42:16
That reducing the impacts of the cart of. 00:42:19
Global warming requires that carbon sinks, which are undeveloped properties that absorb more carbon than they release, that that 00:42:23
seriously be considered. 00:42:30
In the EIR analysis of what's going on in the city, I think that working with infill and intensification of what's already 00:42:37
developed. 00:42:42
Is the most important thing to consider because the quality of life. 00:42:48
Is. 00:42:53
Or the quality of life. And I thank you very much for the opportunity to present this. Thank you. 00:42:54
Thank you. 00:43:01
We have Jane H. 00:43:07
Can you hear me now? 00:43:15
Yes. Oh. 00:43:17
I've already submitted comments that were attached to your agenda report, but I I want to say that I was a planning Commissioner 00:43:20
back between 1987 and 1990. 00:43:26
And at that time, we were in the process of writing the 1994 General Plan and twice a year Lady Dan Curtin, who was an eminent 00:43:32
California land use attorney. 00:43:37
Spoke to us and to planning commissions from throughout the the peninsula for all day meetings at Hopkins Marine Station Library 00:43:42
and Dan Curtains stressed that a general plan was a constitution for cities for future use a land use growth. 00:43:51
I don't think I've ever heard your Planning Commission speak of the General Plan that way, but I'm here tonight to urge you to 00:44:01
start doing so. 00:44:05
This Planning Commission is a great group. I've watched two and I beg you to start thinking about the general plan the way we did. 00:44:11
Look at the street you live on. They're probably 11:50 homes in your block. 00:44:19
How do you want those new homes to fit? 00:44:24
Please think about how you want PG to look 30 years from now, identify the potential environmental impacts and respond to the 00:44:27
notice of preparation accordingly. And this is not just to the planning Commissioners, but to the public. 00:44:33
The General plan is is considered the Constitution for cities future growth. 00:44:41
My Planning Commission back in the 80s. 00:44:48
Took seriously that we were writing the Constitution for Pacific Coast future land use. 00:44:51
And over the years, that purpose has just faded as planning directors who seem not to care about that. 00:44:57
But. 00:45:05
That didn't stop me from responding to the notice of preparation. I hope it doesn't stop anyone. 00:45:06
Either I hope you'll take a look at my comments which are attached to your pack. 00:45:11
Umm, so I hope. 00:45:16
Listeners tonight. 00:45:19
Well. 00:45:21
Your comments are going to have to be taken seriously. 00:45:22
Umm, that's the law and so I hope that you'll comment. 00:45:26
The various factors that are listed in the NOP the aesthetics, the air quality, biological resources, cultural resources, 00:45:31
greenhouse. 00:45:35
Gas, water quality, land use, noise, population, Public services, recreation, transportation, traffic, utilities. 00:45:39
And so I'm just here to encourage this Planning Commission to think more about the general plan than I've seen any evidence that. 00:45:48
The Pacific Rd. Planning Commission in recent years has thought about the purpose of a general plan. 00:45:58
OK. Thank you. Bye. 00:46:04
Thank you. 00:46:06
Anyone else, Mr. Camp? 00:46:15
I do not see any other online commenters. 00:46:18
I don't see anyone else at the moment either. 00:46:35
Well, let's let's stop a public comment at this point and come to the commissioners and see. 00:46:42
But questions or suggestions or comments? 00:46:49
Who would like to go? 00:46:56
Well, it's bad for him for the chair to go first, but I'll I'll take a crack at a few things in the hope of getting. 00:47:05
Discussion going. 00:47:12
I understand that the Cir. 00:47:14
You know, covers the housing element, the zoning amendments and the general plan update. 00:47:19
Will the impacts identified in the EIR be linked specifically to one of those pieces? 00:47:24
In other words, will the IR say you know the housing element would have this impact? 00:47:32
The zoning would have that impact. Will it, will it be at that level? 00:47:38
Of detail. 00:47:43
So the Vice chair Murphy, Joe Sedora from CDD. 00:47:47
The. 00:47:53
Draft EIR will analyze the potential impacts of these proposed amendments. 00:47:54
Based on. 00:48:04
At a programmatic level, I'm sorry, not at a project detail level specific because there's no actual development that will be 00:48:06
proposed. 00:48:10
As part of. 00:48:15
This project it's all programmatic. 00:48:18
Level analysis in terms of what could potentially be developed and what could potentially or what would the potential impacts. 00:48:23
And so those that analysis would be tied to the specific amendments for rezoning and of particular sites or rezoning. 00:48:34
Districts. And I'm going to ask Miss Mahoney if she has anything else to add to that. 00:48:47
Yeah. 00:48:52
The ER will look at the project as a whole, including all of those pieces. But for example, if there's a impact on one site but 00:48:54
not on other housing sites, then we will specifically describe that. 00:48:59
I think my my question is a little bit different would. 00:49:07
You know, we're looking. 00:49:10
The housing element yet the general plan update. 00:49:12
And the zoning? 00:49:15
Will the impacts be linked specifically to one of those? 00:49:17
Things that you're looking. 00:49:22
No, because those three things are very interlinked, I see. 00:49:23
OK. Thank you. And and clearly what we're looking at is, I think is the 8 year period of. 00:49:27
And what? 00:49:34
What assumptions are we making about? 00:49:37
How many new residents we might have assuming that we meet arena number, you know, assuming that we have 1100 plus new units? 00:49:41
How do you determine what estimate you use of how many? 00:49:52
Would live in. 00:49:55
We will use the Department of Finance statistics for the number of people per household to estimate population growth. 00:49:58
Do they? That's based on the existing. 00:50:07
People per household in Pacific Grove data, but wouldn't that? 00:50:11
And that doesn't necessarily assume 1100 new? 00:50:16
Yes. So we'll take the total number of units that the project would allow and we'll use that Department of Finance persons per 00:50:20
household data to estimate the population that could be accommodated by the project. I see. At this point, do you have any sense 00:50:26
of what that number is or? 00:50:32
No, I have not looked it up yet. 00:50:39
I did a little reading today and one of the things I thought I learned. 00:50:47
Was that? 00:50:52
EIR mitigation meas. 00:50:56