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Board meeting in session today. 00:00:00
And it looks like it's about 6:00. 00:00:03
So we'll start out with the approval of the agenda if anyone has any changes, corrections or additions. 00:00:08
If not, could we have a motion to approve the agenda? 00:00:18
Thank you. 00:00:24
I'll second that. OK, We have a second all in favor, just say aye. 00:00:28
We're going to go next to board and staff announcements. 00:00:34
Katie, do you have any announcements for us? 00:00:39
Did you want to do a formal call to order? 00:00:58
Thank you very. 00:01:01
Let's do a roll call. 00:01:03
OK, member. 00:01:09
Who just contacted us? He's running. 00:01:11
Thank you, Member Tully. 00:01:13
Member Wise. 00:01:16
Member gamble here. 00:01:18
And Chair Goldsmith here. Thank you. 00:01:20
Maybe any announcements or? 00:01:30
All right. The first announcement we have is the call for CIP projects has been put out by Public Works. The e-mail was forwarded 00:01:33
to the board and Commission. 00:01:38
And then the applications will be due March 20th. The application information and the link to the form are in the e-mail that was 00:01:43
sent on to you, Colleen. 00:01:47
And then the second announcement is that the skate park report with the initial findings is scheduled to go before City Council on 00:01:54
February 7th. 00:01:59
Our third announcement is we are excited to announce that PG rec will be offering a track and field program this spring. 00:02:07
Information will be released at the beginning of February. Registration will be open early March, and the program is set to run 00:02:13
April through May. 00:02:17
We are also starting our summer staff recruitment. The department is finalizing the final few details of that. 00:02:24
We will be looking for lifeguards, swim instructors, camp counselors. 00:02:30
And chem counselors for both our traditional camps and our sports camps. So we'll be set to run this. 00:02:35
The applications should be posted early next week on our HR page. 00:02:40
And then finally we have a we still have our 30 hour recreation coordinator position that is up for. 00:02:47
Recruitment again. The application is up and on the HR web page. It is open until February 4th. 00:02:53
And then the final announcement is there. 00:03:01
The request to. 00:03:05
For to change the. 00:03:06
Meeting time back to its original time of 4:00 PM, so we'll bring that for consideration in the February. 00:03:09
22nd record meeting. 00:03:18
OK. Thank you so much for. 00:03:21
Let me turn that back now to. 00:03:23
Commissioners. 00:03:26
Any announcements? 00:03:27
I have actually a couple because we haven't didn't have a meeting last month, so bear with me. 00:03:33
Under unfinished. 00:03:40
I have an update that the backstop engineering has commenced. 00:03:42
And public works awaiting final drawings. After approval, materials will be ordered and installation to be scheduled. 00:03:47
The second announcement is RFP was issued for the George Washington Park play equipment and that will be on the and and that I. 00:03:56
Goes through about the first week of February, so it will be on the agenda for the February rec board meeting. 00:04:07
I have these page. The skate park evaluation has been ongoing and that was asking neighbors for their input. 00:04:13
Staff, as Katie has said, will present information to the City Council in February. 00:04:26
Also, recreation proposals for high school students are not ready. Public works is still recruiting for that 30 hour per week 00:04:31
recreation coordinator position. The rec board will be kept apprised and hopefully there will also be ideas for adult residents 00:04:37
for recreation. 00:04:43
Five, there has been one issue of misinformation as I understand it, and I was also confused about this. So this is just. 00:04:50
To clarify, the Community Center does not possess quiet pickleball equipment to loan out to pickleball players. 00:04:59
Katie has been researching the possible purchase of quiet paddles and those could be given out in loan to pickleball players. 00:05:08
Then the other item is I wanted to everybody know that Ashley and I attended the City Council meeting. 00:05:17
And it's probably back in November or December to express support for a smaller skate park. 00:05:24
Project in the city and I also attended the presentation that Amy Colony made to PG City Council and expressed the support of the 00:05:31
rec board for the Chinese Pavilion project. 00:05:37
And that's all the announcements I have. 00:05:44
Is Nick Smith available? 00:05:53
Or is our liaison? 00:05:57
He is not present online. OK, thank you. We're going to go forward with general public comment. 00:06:19
Should get my glasses for this general public comment. Must deal with matter subject to the jurisdiction of the city and the 00:06:26
recreation board. 00:06:31
That are not on the regular agenda. Comments from the public will be limited to 3 minutes. 00:06:35
And will not receive Recreation Board action. Comments regarding items on the regular agenda shall be heard prior to Recreation 00:06:40
Board consideration of such items. 00:06:46
At the time such items are called. 00:06:52
Whenever possible, written correspondence should be submitted to the Rec Board in advance of the meeting to provide adequate time 00:06:54
for its consideration. 00:06:59
Thank you. 00:07:08
Yes. 00:07:13
LSI that. 00:07:16
Turn it. 00:07:22
It's on. OK. I live at 488 Gibson Ave. 00:07:25
And I have been subjected to the noise of pickleball for the last four years, so I wanted to share with you some thoughts you 00:07:30
might have if you were in my situation. 00:07:34
The mayor asked me to bring some ideas about noise and management to the recreation board for them to make recommendations to the 00:07:42
council. 00:07:46
How does the recreation board do their assigned? 00:07:51
If only the staff items get on the agenda. 00:07:55
I've sent in two memos. 00:07:59
The job descriptions of the rec staff include management and maintenance of the facilities. 00:08:01
The only management and maintenance you would see evidence of. 00:08:07
Is the moving of. 00:08:11
No walk in's answering machines, not people. 00:08:13
No supervision of the rules of the. 00:08:16
Supervision is left to the. 00:08:19
You might think staff was walled. 00:08:23
As much as possible from the neighbors. 00:08:25
You would see rule violations like pickleball on tennis courts, pets, food, drinks, dogs, trikes and bikes, kids hanging on Nets, 00:08:30
unlock gates and no staff. 00:08:35
Ever showing up to correct. 00:08:41
You might note that even though the Public Works made an attempt to restore the hedge on 14th St. four years ago. 00:08:44
It has been a massive failure as things are only getting worse and more unsightly. 00:08:52
You might wonder if their plan was to let it. 00:08:58
And eliminate the. 00:09:01
You might often think, Wow, the city continues to support big violations of its sound ordinance. 00:09:04
And court rules to allow pickleball. 00:09:11
And some days the numbers and screaming defy. 00:09:14
You might think that all the attempts to require quiet equipment have failed. 00:09:19
So there is no hope of improvement. 00:09:25
Even when the adult school buys quiet equipment and says they will leave it in the office, it doesn't happen. 00:09:28
You might be encouraged when Colleen Goldsmith responds to your memo and makes a site visit only Discover only to discover that 00:09:37
that memo will not be discussed at the staff at the board meeting at the Rec board meeting. 00:09:44
You might get excited. 00:09:52
When an amazing win win solution finally shows itself. 00:09:54
And the assistant. 00:09:59
Superintendent of Schools outlines possibilities to make it work. 00:10:02
Others get excited, too. 00:10:06
That the high school courts may now be double line, a school board member says. Wow, maybe they could do it over the holidays. 00:10:09
And once again, you would discover that offering a proposal that is better, a better deal for Pickleballers and neighbors is kept 00:10:19
off the agenda. 00:10:23
You might decide, after these realities and four years of too much noise, to let the City Council and city manager know. 00:10:29
That responsible efforts to identify. 00:10:37
And make things better by the recreation board have failed to be allowed on the agenda. 00:10:40
And send the memos. 00:10:47
Ever the optimist, you might. 00:10:50
That they will want to choose, win, win at full. 00:10:52
Thank you. 00:10:59
My name is Andrea Dracos and I live at 615 14th St. 00:11:09
Could you please spell your? 00:11:15
My last name. 00:11:16
DRAKOS. 00:11:19
I've been asked to read this. 00:11:24
During the public comment. So this is kind of. 00:11:27
Whether it says neighbors have been feeling about the football situation. 00:11:32
Anyway, finally a win win for pickleball players and more Still neighbors. 00:11:36
Thanks to a change in the California Interscholastic Federation rules that now. 00:11:41
Thus full courts to be double lined for tennis and pickle. 00:11:47
The six Pacific Grove High school courts are now an option for pickleball play. 00:11:52
If the City of Pacific Grove and the Pacific Grove Unified School District work together. 00:11:57
The courts at the high school could be used 8:30 to 5:30. 00:12:03
During 185 days. 00:12:07
When the campus is not. 00:12:10
That would include every. 00:12:12
With the growth of the paddle sport and more interest among younger 10. 00:12:16
Among younger. 00:12:20
The tenants area with four. 00:12:22
Would allow room for current use and. 00:12:24
This would free up the City of Pacific Grove to return to honoring its democratically established sound regulations. 00:12:31
For the Morristown courts. 00:12:40
By requiring quiet equipment already. 00:12:43
By the Pacific Grove Adult Education Program. 00:12:47
To be used on the Morristown. 00:12:49
And limiting. 00:12:52
Limiting pay time to Tuesday and Thursday. 00:12:54
The courts could be supervised when the recreation staff are working regular hours. 00:12:57
And the adult? 00:13:02
Would still be able to have classes during. 00:13:04
When the high school campus is. 00:13:07
Requiring quiet equipment. 00:13:10
Would not be. 00:13:12
But learning the game would. 00:13:14
And the high school courts would not require quite equip. 00:13:17
Currently pickleball is avail. 00:13:21
156 days a year. 00:13:23
On four pickle. 00:13:26
If this suggested plan is IMP. 00:13:28
Pacific Growth will have 185 days a year. 00:13:31
On 8 quarts. 00:13:35
With no equipment restrictions. 00:13:37
And 104 days on 4. 00:13:39
With quiet equipment Requ. 00:13:42
Along with all the other courts that have been. 00:13:45
On the Monterey Peninsula. 00:13:48
This increase should be more than applicable. 00:13:50
Josh joined the assistant Superintendent of Civic Grove Unified School. 00:13:53
Has already put forward some ideas about how this could be implemented. 00:13:58
From the district. 00:14:02
Those have already been sent to you. 00:14:04
I recommend as he suggested. 00:14:07
That he be included in any discussions about moving this. 00:14:10
We strongly urge you to Recom. 00:14:14
That the City Council return our. 00:14:17
To its reasonable peace and. 00:14:20
While cooperating with the Pacific Grove Unified School District. 00:14:23
To create more local pickleball. 00:14:26
By adopting this propos. 00:14:30
Improved version. 00:14:32
Thank you. Thank you. 00:14:34
Good evening. Thank you for your. 00:14:46
Looks like you're showing a few members tonight. 00:14:48
Can I have your name please? But anyway, I'm here to talk about pickleball, so I live on 14th St. 00:14:52
Jerry N. 00:15:00
Thank you. I've lived there about 40 years. 00:15:02
Anyway, yeah. 00:15:06
I just want to hit the high spots of some of the things that have already been said. 00:15:08
And that is that applicable has two versions, a loud version and a quieter version. 00:15:13
Depending upon equipment and also it has a lot of screamers. 00:15:22
Which? 00:15:28
Screaming in a residential neighborhood. 00:15:29
I don't know how that goes over how these people are so inconsiderate as to do this. 00:15:33
But they. 00:15:37
And we had pickleball and it's I guess it's becoming even more popular as. 00:15:39
As a past. 00:15:44
So anyway, what has happened? Is that Mister Jealous behind me? 00:15:48
Has worked for four years to try to come up with some alternatives so we don't have so much noise on 14th St. 00:15:53
And he and. 00:16:03
An administrator, Mr. Jordan, at the high school have come out with something that greatly expands the possibility of both loud 00:16:07
pickleball and quieter pickleball. 00:16:14
And I think this is, I mean it's been gnawing on us for four years. I think it's well within the purview of you people to bring 00:16:21
this forward and look at this burden. 00:16:28
Breakthrough that has occurred thanks to Mr. Jealous and the school board, because they've been the school district Mr. Jordan has 00:16:35
been willing to. 00:16:40
That's funny, I used to watch him and play baseball with his mother. But anyway has been willing to work with us and it's become a 00:16:49
as is a long term Fiji resident with. 00:16:55
Long term PG interests so. 00:17:02
I think the way is clear here to make some progress on a difficult. 00:17:04
Thank you. Thank you very much. 00:17:09
Hello. 00:17:20
My name is Mary Albert. I live at 523 Gibson Ave. just across the street. 00:17:24
Central Pickleball Courts. 00:17:30
At the Morris still. 00:17:35
Tennis courts. I am here to support this. 00:17:38
New idea for pickleball at the high school on Saturdays. It would be a big improvement. We really appreciate the compromise that's 00:17:43
happened so far with pickleball. I think Saturdays, you know, I've noticed that the when courts are available. 00:17:53
On the weekends and throughout the week. 00:18:03
The courts are full of tennis players and I think four years ago when we started all of this, there was a lot of talk about, well, 00:18:07
those courts aren't used anyway, Nobody's playing tennis. Well, that's. 00:18:12
I don't think it was necessarily the case then, but it certainly isn't now. It's full of tennis players. 00:18:17
Which has a very as a delightful. 00:18:24
Sound associated with it, unlike pickleball. 00:18:27
So yeah, I really am supportive of this new proposal, which would really be a win win. 00:18:32
And I just want to remind, I don't know if if the current REC board members have been around long enough to remember. 00:18:40
When we had the sound. 00:18:50
Issue before and just to remind you that the difference in noise levels between pickleball and tennis is just like night and day. 00:18:53
And if pickleball could be shifted even in part to the high school so that the pickleball club could have as much time or more as 00:19:03
they do now, that would be in a really easy win, win situation. 00:19:09
But yeah, pickleball is still as intrusive as ever for us. 00:19:16
There was the hope, I think, from some. 00:19:22
You know people that at the beginning that they thought, well, the neighbors would, you know, get used to it. It's the kind of 00:19:27
thing. Change is hard, but you'll get used to it. It'll disappear. But I'm here to tell you it doesn't disappear. It's as 00:19:32
intrusive as ever. 00:19:37
And just for myself, I can. 00:19:43
No, we haven't got used to it, so we're hoping. 00:19:46
That these, this new opportunity can be really looked into seriously and implemented as soon as possible. Thank you very much. 00:19:50
Thank you. 00:19:59
I'm Angela's. I live with Red. Jealous. 00:20:08
I have a hearing. 00:20:12
So I thought, we have such a quiet neighborhood still. It's so lovely. We've been living there for 47 years of this house and it 00:20:14
was quiet. I didn't have a hearing problem when we moved in. 00:20:19
I don't know. It's so still, so quiet. And then I put on hearing aids and go outside and I'm almost blown away. 00:20:26
The noise is horrific. Our 11 year old grandson came to visit sat in the dining room of our house. 00:20:33
Which is not Baton Ward House, OK, the walls are thick. 00:20:41
The doors were closed, The windows were shut. 00:20:47
He said. What is that noise? 00:20:50
That's how loud it is. It's extraordinarily intrusive. 00:20:53
And I have watched Fred suffer because he doesn't have a. 00:20:58
Problems for four years when we bought the house, it was a tennis. 00:21:03
And pickleball was not, and there was no pickleball at that time. So there's been no expectation of this happening. And if it were 00:21:09
happening now and we would be looking for a house to buy, we would not buy a house in the neighborhood. 00:21:17
So I'm asking you, please use whatever power you have to do whatever you can. 00:21:26
To help so that pickle Ballers can do their sport. 00:21:32
And get the health benefits somewhere else where they're not destroying the health of neighbors. 00:21:37
Thank you for listening. 00:21:44
Thank you. 00:21:46
Good evening. 00:21:54
Thank you. My name is Steve Albert. I live at 523 Gibson Ave. across from the Morrisville tennis courts. 00:21:57
They've always been tennis courts and they were for rackets and then all of a sudden they were approved for paddles and. 00:22:06
Pickleball. And I never really understood why because that's not where I bought my house and it was very loud and we. I don't 00:22:14
know. 00:22:18
Worried about it. And then we came to the council and we are where we are now with three days of pickleball and it's too loud. I 00:22:24
think it's louder than the code says is is feasible. So it's a problem. And their paddles, not rackets. And the courts were given 00:22:31
to the city for racket sports, not paddle sports. 00:22:38
So it's been an irritant and we're living with it and you know, our compromises are here, there and everywhere. And now we have 00:22:45
this proposal, which is just awesome. 00:22:50
And I really, really hope everyone sees that and moves it. 00:22:56
Everybody. 00:23:00
And I'd also like to thank you for serving on the board and I'd like to thank the rec department for bringing in the Nets when 00:23:03
there's no pickleball. That is such a big help and I really, really like it and I think it's wonderful. 00:23:08
And I want to end just by saying, you know, we're not just the PG residents all around the country. Pickleball is loud when it's 00:23:14
in a neighborhood. It's a great sport. People love playing it, and I completely understand why. It really is awesome. 00:23:21
And if they have the opportunity to play it away from a neighborhood, I just don't see why that isn't where we go. 00:23:29
This proposal is perfect. Whenever I see something in the paper about people being upset about pickleball noise, I try to send it 00:23:37
to you all. And I just want to emphasize that I. 00:23:42
Boy, how could you not move forward with this? How could you not try to go with this? How could you not spend some time to make 00:23:49
everybody happy? 00:23:53
Thank you very much. 00:23:59
Thank you. 00:24:00
I think we have someone online. 00:24:06
Hi in. 00:24:13
Thank you. Hello Chair and. 00:24:20
Boy, have you certainly heard some impassioned pleas tonight. And they were really restrained ones, unfortunately. 00:24:24
I'm going to say the usual is that unless you speak into your microphones, I will not hear and you have to be close enough. 00:24:33
To pick it up. The first two public speakers I could not hear. I don't know the first one, actually. I saw Katie was then turning 00:24:43
on the microphone. Well, it needs to be on. All of yours need to be on and you must speak into them. 00:24:51
My problem is that I wrote a letter to the board and it's not published in the agenda under written comments. 00:25:02
And I received no response. 00:25:10
It had been. 00:25:13
By Katie at the Rec Board and Rec Department. 00:25:16
So I have gone ahead and put in a public records request because I got nothing, because I think that for certain items it's, you 00:25:21
know, will be later on this agenda. 00:25:27
Do we need to see? 00:25:36
In the interest of transparency when they're new. 00:25:37
Just publish the application so that the public is Privy to them. I shouldn't have to do a public records request, that should 00:25:41
just be part of the report. 00:25:46
So that's my comment tonight and certainly these people have been so diligent about the pickleball that I hope it gets on an 00:25:52
agenda. 00:25:58
Sooner rather than later. 00:26:06
Thank you very. 00:26:08
Thank you. 00:26:10
We don't believe we have. 00:26:16
We're waiting for one more. 00:26:19
No, OK. 00:26:26
We did receive some written general public. 00:26:30
And we did have one from. 00:26:34
Lorenzo Lorenz. 00:26:37
I'm going to move ahead for approval of the. 00:26:42
And we have two months of minutes, so if anyone has any changes or corrections to the minutes otherwise I'll wait for a motion to 00:26:46
approve minutes. 00:26:52
We're looking at September 20. 00:26:58
As well as. 00:27:02
The minutes from November 30th. 00:27:05
Could we have proven 2? Not here for the second meeting, so I'd be happy to make a motion to approve. 00:27:09
The September 28th minutes. 00:27:14
Move a second. 00:27:18
2nd. 00:27:23
OK. All in favor, Aye. 00:27:24
OK, minutes approved. Now in the minutes for the November 30th meeting. 00:27:28
Any changes to or corrections to those minutes? 00:27:34
I want to thank Amina. 00:27:43
I'll go ahead and make a motion that we approve the minutes of November 30th. 00:27:54
I second that. Thank you, Ashley. All in favor. 00:28:00
Aye, aye. OK. Approved. 00:28:04
With one rec. 00:28:08
OK, we can start on our regular. 00:28:12
And the first item is the Special event Late Edition Enchanted Forest. 00:28:16
Katie will be presenting that. 00:28:24
OK. This is agenda item 7. It's special events modifications for the fiscal year 2324 calendar for the application in panted 00:30:03
forest. 00:30:08
A quick review of City Council policy, the City Council Policy 900-1 Special Events was updated by City Council on July 27th, 00:30:21
2022. It now includes instructions for a late or off cycle applications. 00:30:29
An off cycle application refers to any application received after the November 30th submission deadline. 00:30:36
The policy specifies that the off cycle applications must be received 150 days prior to the event. 00:30:44
They cannot conflict with any other special events and they will not be recommended as city sponsored events. 00:30:51
On March 15th, 2023, City Council approved an updated version of the Fiscal Year 2324 Special Event calendar. 00:31:03
On November 30th, 2023, city staff received. 00:31:12
Fiscal Year 2324 Special Event Application from Active Me, Inc. 00:31:16
Where an event called Enchanted. 00:31:22
This application was received more than 150 days before the. 00:31:25
The event does not overlap with any events on the Fiscal Year 2324 special event calendar. 00:31:29
City staff has reviewed the application for feasibility, safety and cost and city staff is recommending this to be a full cost 00:31:35
recovery special event. 00:31:39
Information about the event and the application. The Enchanted Forest is sponsored by Active Me, which is a local nonprofit group. 00:31:50
The event would take place on June 1st, 2024 from 9:00 AM to 1:00 PM. 00:31:57
At Rip Van Winkle Open Space. The event is designed for children and their families. It includes A1 mile walk on the marked trail 00:32:03
of the open space. 00:32:07
Children will meet fairy tale characters and mystical forest creatures along the way. 00:32:12
There will be 10 stations with these characters and the characters will present physical and problem solving challenges for them 00:32:17
to complete. 00:32:21
The purpose of the event would be to bring children and their families together in an outdoor setting, encourage the use of 00:32:24
imagination and pretend play. 00:32:28
And promote physical and mental health. 00:32:32
There will also be an opportunity to donate new or like new toys or games and puzzles to local families in need. 00:32:34
Additional information includes There'll be 250 registration spaces available. 00:32:47
The participants will be assigned to specific time blocks. Those time blocks will be spaced out over 4 hours to prevent traffic 00:32:52
and parking congestion. 00:32:56
The trail can remain open to the public during this event. 00:33:01
There will be an admission fee of $25 per child to be collected to help cover the cost of the event supplies. 00:33:04
They will use biodegradable trail markers and then we'll remove those immediately after the close of the event. 00:33:11
Activme will provide 20 to 25 event staff to help with registration, trail stations, safety and first aid and clean up, and they 00:33:16
will also provide a crossing guard. 00:33:21
The fiscal impact for this event. 00:33:33
The event will acquire the following city staff and resources, two public works staff for two hours each to check the trail and 00:33:36
empty trash. 00:33:39
Staffing fees will cost an estimated $412.12. 00:33:43
The remaining fees include the application fee of $230 and trail use fees of 1805 dollars. 00:33:47
The total estimated cost for this event will be $2447.12. 00:33:54
City staff is recommending this to be a full cost recovery special event. 00:34:00
If approved, all fees will be of the responsibility of the event organizers. 00:34:04
And then the recommend. 00:34:09
The recommendation we're bringing forward tonight is to approve the Enchanted Forest as a full cost recovery special event for 00:34:14
inclusion in the Fiscal Year 2324 Special Events calendar. 00:34:19
And that's a conclusion of my. 00:34:31
Report we do have the event organizer who is online who is able to take questions after we go to public comment. 00:34:32
OK. Thank you very much. 00:34:40
Do we have any public? 00:34:43
Hi, Inga. 00:35:01
Thank you. 00:35:03
Commission members, our board members. 00:35:06
I believe that the report somewhere said in there also, though I didn't hear it read out, was that the park is still open, is 00:35:10
still open to the public that they can. 00:35:16
Have a trail and can still go through. 00:35:23
Certainly walk their dogs, etc. 00:35:26
Umm, well, that's my. 00:35:30
And also I would have liked to have had the application itself attached to the report. Thank you very much. 00:35:32
Thank you. 00:35:42
Hey, we're open for discussion. 00:35:55
I'm sorry the event organizer has raised their. 00:36:00
OK. Please go. 00:36:04
Hello. 00:36:07
Hello, my name is Fatima Wright and I am the even organizer for the Enchanted Forest. 00:36:11
Thank you very much for consideration. We are very excited that we can bring a new event to the local community. 00:36:19
I just wanted to. 00:36:27
Mentioned that we are a local nonprofit mainly run by volunteers and really what we want to bring is. 00:36:30
Something very unique and new to the to the community where we can bring the families and kids together and. 00:36:39
Really promote fitness and mental health and. 00:36:47
When I was talking to Katie, it was brought to my attention that it's being considered as. 00:36:53
Full recovery cost. 00:36:59
Again, with respect to the nature of the event and with the fact that it's all organized for for the kids where we really don't 00:37:01
want them to charge high fees, I would. 00:37:08
Greatly appreciate if the board would consider the event to be city sponsored. 00:37:16
Will you stay on the line if we have any questions? 00:37:28
Absolutely. 00:37:31
Hey, thank you. 00:37:33
Any questions? Couple questions. I know Rip Van Winkle. 00:37:36
OK this is better. I know the ruthen winkle is. 00:37:43
Both. 00:37:47
Pebble Beach. 00:37:49
Or County and Pacific Grove is this. 00:37:50
Walk only being done in the Pacific Grove boundary. 00:37:55
Yes, it would be only completed in the Pacific Rd. boundary. So we've already discussed this with Public Works and what we would 00:38:00
do is we go over beforehand, make sure we have clear definitions of where that line is. I'll show it, make sure we show those to 00:38:07
the event organizer and also check them. So make sure we're just staying on the city property. 00:38:13
OK, I'll follow up too then. I I'm actually didn't realize we did a trail use. 00:38:20
I knew we had facility fees. That's a pretty steep. 00:38:26
For walking into group, make a recommendation to the council that the that on the fee schedule. 00:38:30
Trails, The roof and winkle trails is classified differently, whether that's for free or at a a newly calculated cost. 00:38:39
Do we have? 00:38:50
I second that motion. 00:38:53
We're going to take a vote all in favor. 00:38:58
You say aye. 00:39:01
Motion passes. 00:39:04
Going to make a second motion. With that caveat, I would make a motion to approve the 2425 special events calendar. 00:39:06
And a second. 00:39:15
I second that motion. Thank you, Ashley. All in favor. Please say aye. Aye. 00:39:18
Motion passes unanimously. 00:39:24
And I ask I don't know can we can I ask a question even though it's after? 00:39:28
No. So this is a budget estimate and I'm wondering is there this kind of? 00:39:33
Grid matrix for actual costs like for example from last year that that it could be compared to what's budgeted and then what 00:39:44
actually. 00:39:49
I'd be really curious to see. 00:39:54
How on target these end up being and that might be helpful in just future decision making as well. 00:39:56
Is that something that's available? 00:40:03
Yes, that is something that we can track and have available for you next year when we present this. 00:40:07
Just to clarify though, my understanding is that you build these costs to understand what your budget will be. 00:40:16
And then we raised funds as a city to pay for our overall cost, so you won't see a Direct Line item that says. 00:40:21
The event for the little car show was processed. Here's how much it cost. Instead, we'll have just total labor hours for staff. 00:40:28
And so that's where you you there's that budgeting process. 00:40:36
And it's a it's a time consuming like you have months in advance really. 00:40:40
That's Underst. 00:40:44
Anything about budgeting, so if that's too too hard to parse out, I understand. 00:40:47
So we do on this, we do it ahead of the fiscal year so that City Council can see and approve the amount because this will be a 00:40:53
real cost that that unsubsidized amount will be a real cost that will come out of the city budget. So they need to have that 00:41:00
information as they're working through their budget process, which is about to. 00:41:07
Both commence shortly. 00:41:16
And then but we. 00:41:18
Have we do have the ability to track as we invoice, we invoice all of the full cost recovery events so we have an invoice for 00:41:21
theirs. 00:41:25
And we are starting to track the full cost for all. 00:41:30
City sponsored 1, so they'll have an invoice, even though we're not actually sending out the invoice, We would have an invoice 00:41:34
that would show exactly how many staffing hours we used if we were under staffing or over staffing hours, how many signs we use, 00:41:40
all that type of stuff. So we'll have all of that. And now that we have some more staffing on hand, we can attract those better. 00:41:46
So we could bring back how on target we were for you next year if you would like. 00:41:52
Yeah, that answers the question. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, perfect. 00:41:58
And then I just have a clarification your. 00:42:03
First motion was to recommend the reduction of the trail fees. 00:42:05
And the second motion was to approve the calendar we still need. 00:42:11
The two remaining recommendations? 00:42:16
Which were let's? 00:42:19
So the second one was approved, the seven proposed special events to be built at full cost recovery rate and the third was to 00:42:37
approve the 23 special events as city sponsored events and waive fees for city staff and support. That's right. Thank you. So 00:42:44
could we have a motion to be specific about the city sponsored and the full recovery events? 00:42:50
And anybody like to make that motion? 00:42:58
Ashley, your turn. 00:43:02
I motion to approve the seven proposed events as special events to be billed at full cost recovery rate. 00:43:05
And approve 23 proposed special events as city sponsored events and waive the fees for city staff support and equipment facility 00:43:14
usage. 00:43:19
Thank you. Do we have a second? 00:43:26
One second. 00:43:28
OK, we're gonna have a vote. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. 00:43:31
Motion passes. 00:43:36
And that brings us up to the last item, which is the Community Volunteer program, and our Vice Chair, Jay Tully, will present 00:43:44
that. 00:43:49
Thank you. 00:43:55
OK. 00:43:59
The. 00:44:02
Is provided here. There's. 00:44:04
Do you start with the recommendation or the discussion? I don't, I don't recall actually on a comment like this. 00:44:08
So you'll want to provide your report and then your recommendation, and then we'll take it to public comment and then back for 00:44:17
discussion. Great. 00:44:21
OK. So as written, you know following COVID-19, we had a lot of closures and we heard. 00:44:25
At multiple meetings, the desire for more access to facilities, we've had a longer a lot of discussions about that. We talked 00:44:34
about a longer pool season. 00:44:38
And more time for facilities to be open. We also heard over the last couple years how hard it is to hire people and apparently 00:44:43
with the that recreation coordinator position going back out, it's that's continuing. 00:44:50
So we are looking for some ways to ease the burden and allow more access to occur. 00:44:58
So we already have a really great volunteer program led by Miss Colony. It provides a ton of benefit to the city doing wedding and 00:45:06
trash pickup. 00:45:11
And so we've discussed the idea of expanding that community volunteer program to serve more. 00:45:17
Programs such as recreation. 00:45:23
Specifically for the pool and the youth center and and the Community Center. 00:45:26
So we are envisioning this to extend the swim season into September and October, when the weather's still warm. 00:45:32
But most of the summer hires go back to school. 00:45:40
Of course, we understand that any volunteers dealing with children will require fingerprinting, background checks and then the 00:45:45
other training that hired staff would be required to take. 00:45:50
And at previous meetings, Katie's indicated that a scope of work or duties should be provided to the volunteer program coordinator 00:45:55
in order to set up the volunteer program. 00:46:01
So the recommend. 00:46:08
For the agenda report is that the recreation program manager provide the scope of work and duties. 00:46:10
To the rec board for. 00:46:17
Which will then be forwarded, or if it's approved to be forwarded to the volunteer program manager. 00:46:20
Specifically to set up the ability to have volunteer lifeguards at Lovers Point Pool this coming summer and to allow adults to 00:46:25
support city staff at the youth center and Community Center. 00:46:31
Second recommendation, as written, is to provide notifications to the community about the volunteer opportunities when they become 00:46:37
available. 00:46:42
Thank you for that report. Do we have any public comment? 00:46:51
Seeing no public comment, we'll bring it back for discussion. 00:47:01
I don't know if we want. Do you have any questions for Katie on this? Because this is something that we need to interface and work 00:47:07
together. 00:47:12
This is to happen one question I have on the recommend. The second recommendation is that about volunteer opportunities when they 00:47:18
become available. I think I would have phrased that a little differently. 00:47:24
And that. 00:47:31
That there will be volunteer opportunities at the pool and the youth center, or that volunteer opportunities. 00:47:32
At the pool and youth center will be available. I think we want to get people thinking about it and not just wait. I think that 00:47:38
that this type of outreach, positive outreach is really. 00:47:44
Effective. And so I'm just curious about the ways that we might go about that. 00:47:51
Yeah, I have. 00:48:00
So they'd like to discuss when I think of volunteers. 00:48:01
Perhaps like parent volunteers at the youth center. I'm thinking some of the kids that use the youth center might not really want 00:48:07
their parents there. 00:48:11
That this is their opportunity to not be with their teachers and not be with their parents, but get to be a kid with some staff, 00:48:16
people that they enjoy and get to know. 00:48:22
The way I kind of see. 00:48:29
Maybe being a real asset to the Community Center is if they could teach something. 00:48:32
Like for instance if they have some really specialized computer skills or game playing skills or something else that. 00:48:36
You know, the kids would really wanna know about as a way to kind of introduce parents, make them feel more comfortable because 00:48:44
they sort of have a defined task and also the kids would be more open to. 00:48:51
Adults that are not, you know, the cool staff people, but our parents in the community. 00:48:59
Who could actually teach them something that they're interested in learning about? Does anybody? 00:49:06
And since I don't have any kids at the youth center, I really don't really know how it quite works. So if you have any insights to 00:49:10
share about that and how you think that parents could best be utilized at the youth center. 00:49:18
Yeah, I I agree. And I thought originally that was sort of the the spirit of the idea of of your kernel, of the idea of expanding 00:49:29
programming. 00:49:34
And then like a larger smorgasbord of activities for youth and. 00:49:39
Adults. And so I wasn't quite sure when I read this because it looks to me just like support supporting meaning just more adults 00:49:43
there and that's not what. 00:49:49
That's not a great use of of our resources. 00:49:55
So the way it's worded, it didn't reflect to me. 00:49:59
You had brought forth. 00:50:03
Commissioned some months. 00:50:07
And also the lifeguards at the Lovers Point pool this coming summer. My understanding is that in the summer it is well staffed. 00:50:09
It's more like September and October. When are these beautiful months? 00:50:14
And that's when we actually need umm. 00:50:21
Possibly some expansion of qualified lifeguards? Volunteers, possibly. 00:50:24
So. 00:50:30
Yeah, that's my thoughts. 00:50:33
Maybe I can make a clarification on that recommendation that it maybe should have said by this this summer. 00:50:35
Just to make sure. 00:50:41
Did the necessary. I know it takes time to set this up, but the goal would be that that you already have lifeguards who are 00:50:43
trained. 00:50:46
And that when the some of the students, college students, high school students have to leave, we might be able to continue to have 00:50:50
it open because we might have a strong group of volunteer lifeguards already. 00:50:56
As to your other point, the I do recall the discussion where we talked about some of the specialized ideas. 00:51:04
I had thought about that more as at the Community Center for things like game nights or chess club or something, but I I take your 00:51:10
point that both of your points that. 00:51:15
You know, I think maybe my kids might be horrified if I was the volunteer when they were there, so I would. 00:51:22
Definitely welcome other. 00:51:28
Adult volunteers. 00:51:31
I think there's one really great opportunity to see SUMB service learning program is a great program. The soccer club I coach at, 00:51:34
we utilize them and all you have to do is you have to get on to their. 00:51:40
Their calendar or their their course list or their their list of volunteer opportunities. 00:51:46
And you will get a lot of people calling you saying I would love to. 00:51:52
Fulfill my service learning obligation and. 00:51:57
You know, sitting at a pool that would be, I think of one that a lot of them would would. 00:52:01
First on their list. So I think there's a lot of creative ways to get people other. 00:52:06
US uncool parents to be there. I think it's I think this is where some of the creativity and the outrage that that we depend on 00:52:11
you for Katie. 00:52:16
And then one other comment though is that there was a real goal. 00:52:23
That it wouldn't just be about these specialty things, but it would be about extending the hours and that if there is a 00:52:28
constraint. 00:52:31
On the hours that a community like a coord. 00:52:34
Can do that. We would extend that. And I realized that there's probably a requirement that you need a certain number of adults. 00:52:39
The ratio of kids to adults at the youth center might be a constraint. 00:52:45
And there might be a constraint that I would actually like to clarify with you. 00:52:51
I imagine you would not be allowed to have two volunteers without a staff member. 00:52:56
But imagine you would be able to have one staff member and one volunteer. 00:53:01
And then later another staff member and another volunteer, so you'd be able to have more hours with the same number of. 00:53:06
City. 00:53:12
So that's that's how I'm trying to think about this way to augment city staff to extend the hours at least at the youth. 00:53:14
Yes. So for any programming or anytime we're opening up a city building, we do need to have a minimum number of staff. The staff 00:53:24
are the ones that are familiar with all of our emergency procedures with the building operations. They will be the ones that most 00:53:31
likely have especially for like programs like the youth center will have the ongoing relationships with the with a lot of the 00:53:37
youth and children that we see. So yes, we do need a minimum number of staff I. 00:53:44
We it would. 00:53:53
On each program, whether we could use them for that ratio, there is something that I would like to just point out that for our 00:53:56
lifeguards and for our recreation assistance, which are the majority of the staff we have on right now, they all do complete a 40 00:54:02
hour training every single year. 00:54:09
So they complete that's not necessarily what we need for our each program. Some programs could use a little bit less, but for the 00:54:15
lifeguards for example, they complete a 40 hour training every single year prior to being allowed to run the program. So when we 00:54:20
bring those. 00:54:26
Descriptions for there may be some significant training components in that that we may need to include. 00:54:32
OK, Just to be clear that those lifeguards are only. 00:54:41
The pool, not at Lovers Point. 00:54:45
Doing any lifeguarding at lovers Point, right? Just the. 00:54:48
Yes, sorry, just at the pool, well 40 hours that is a lot for is that a three foot deep pool? 00:54:51
The highest point is like 3.5. 00:55:00
Well. 00:55:03
Could could one who's already licensed lifeguard, do they still have to take the 40 hour training? 00:55:10
Our staff no if, for example, CSUMB students. 00:55:17
I mean, I I teach there and a number of them are in like. 00:55:23
For opening and running a city event and we always want everything to be exceptionally high quality. We were very forward facing. 00:56:02
We want to make sure that not only are they guarding the pool, but that they're representing the city in a positive light. And we 00:56:10
would if they're out there, they we want them providing the same level of customer service that we work very hard with our staff. 00:56:17
To work on, and we do provide our staff with that, that 40 hours is not just them sitting around doing, you know, checking a 00:56:25
couple of boxes or taking a test. We run through scenarios with them. We run through practice drills with them. We run through 00:56:31
rescue drills with them. We run through how to interact with children of different ages, how to interact with their parents or 00:56:37
guardians. We run through a lot so that they receive a high level of. 00:56:42
Service from us. So some of that is we want to make sure we're providing a high level to the community. 00:56:50
Yeah, OK. 00:56:56
Still a couple of follow up questions and SO when. 00:56:59
When we open. 00:57:02
And so there's there's a lifeguard that would open the gate, right? Or is there a city staff? 00:57:05
Member that also goes every time to open the pool with one of the the lifeguards. 00:57:12
So during so for example during the summer, whether it's swim lessons, whether they're doing we do recreation swim for our camps 00:57:25
or whether it's weekend recreation swim, we always have a program supervisor that's someone who's had a couple of years experience 00:57:31
with the city and is comfortable supervising staff. 00:57:37
And then we also have our lifeguards. During swim lessons, for example, our lifeguards are usually our higher level trained. Our 00:57:44
swim instructors are our higher level trained lifeguards. During rec swim. Those can be entry level position lifeguards. 00:57:51
We do have those are the staff that are opening the pool. We do have someone who is assigned to manage the maintenance of the pool 00:57:58
and city staff who comes in to check the maintenance of the pool. But we do have city staff. All the lifeguards are city staff, so 00:58:03
it is city staff opening and running the pool. 00:58:08
Their city staff, because they're hired. 00:58:14
Hired life. 00:58:18
Yes, all of our lifeguards are hired and brought on as city employees. 00:58:20
Right. I so my point would be is that if you have a volunteer who's gone through the 40 hour training. 00:58:24
And they're doing the same things as a hired lifeguard. Would they be allowed to open the pool? 00:58:30
On one of in September for example, when. 00:58:35
The The hired lifeguards might need to go back to college. 00:58:38
For any city facility, we do need a city staff member present to open and close the facilities. 00:58:41
Regardless of how many volunteers we have. 00:58:47
OK. And then at the lighthouse, the docents are volunteers, right? 00:58:50
There are four, so they have four staff and I clarified this. They have four staff members on on payroll, so they have two docent 00:58:56
coordinators and two cashiers. And there are always staff, city staff present when the lighthouse is open for tours. So there's 00:59:03
always city staff on site that have open and closed the facility, even if they're using volunteer docents. 00:59:11
Gotcha. 00:59:19
I'm just kind of wondering if. 00:59:28
I'm thinking first and foremost of the volunteers, like the youth center. And I'm thinking a nice way to attract and get parents 00:59:32
involved would be to offer them a short term volunteer opportunity instead of saying are you available every Tuesday for the rest 00:59:39
of your life? You know, kind of thing, because life happens. 00:59:46
Kind of putting something out there where maybe they could teach. 00:59:55
Or a skill, or have something really kind of interesting. Maybe they're a magician and they can, you know, do magic tricks and and 00:59:58
kids might be wanting to learn some magic tricks. I don't know, but I'm just wondering. 01:00:05
There's a way to kind of publicize that we would like to have and done, and it isn't even just parents, it's. 01:00:12
People in the community, there's a lot of people who love kids who are who are non parents, but if Amy or if Public Works can put 01:00:19
something out that there is an opportunity to volunteer. 01:00:26
And maybe start small, specifically at the youth center and with something that you would like to share with young people. 01:00:33
And in a limited. 01:00:44
It's almost kind of like adult school. You know, we see these classes all the time and some of them are offered, you know, for a 01:00:47
couple of weeks at a time and then that's it. You know, it's just a short duration. But it would be interesting to see if there is 01:00:53
talent and interest in the community for doing something. And I think what we as as a board need to know. 01:01:00
Is does something like a scope of volunteer? 01:01:07
Opportunities have to be defined so that not only are you asking for that, but then if somebody says I'm interested. 01:01:13
In doing this, the communication back to them is this is what it involves or this is what we need from from you as a volunteer? 01:01:21
Did that sound like something would be kind of reasonable to kind of start broadening the program? 01:01:31
I of course have no problem if. 01:01:39
For myself, if there were interested parents who wanted to expand the hours of View Center and make it more available, but I 01:01:41
think, you know, maybe we could try something a little bit small, kind of. 01:01:47
You know, take temperature of the residents in the city and see what interests there is. 01:01:53
Any ideas or comments? I I really like that that idea that way of going about it and I also would say and I wonder about the youth 01:01:59
center as the location. 01:02:04
In part because we've talked about, you know, it's it's really the younger's who have more programming than the sort of the middle 01:02:11
schooler, slightly older kids. 01:02:15
So maybe the Community Center and. 01:02:21
And that we consider how to target a little bit more, although I guess older kids also have after school sports and all kinds of 01:02:25
things going on. 01:02:29
But yeah, I like the idea generally of like a short term. 01:02:35
Get. 01:02:39
You know, magical talents to come out. 01:02:41
You know, crocheting, whatever. Like there's a lot of. 01:02:45
Of, you know, activities that we could interact with and have kids come out. 01:02:50
And, and I agree, adults who maybe don't have kids or have retired or have grandkids somewhere else and and would love to have 01:02:56
that kind of. 01:03:00
You know, sort of family interaction. 01:03:06
I like that angle. 01:03:09
That that ask and I can jump in and say that we have been asking, particularly at the the youth center, we've been asking them for 01:03:13
recommendations and we've been asking students recommendations and we're getting some wonderful recommendations and they fall into 01:03:19
some categories just like you were speaking about. 01:03:26
Crocheting, Knitting, Cooking, Dungeons and Dragons. 01:03:33
Contribution it gives our staff would give our staff a chance to. 01:04:06
Meet other people in the community. Also find out where some of those skill sets are, so that would. 01:04:12
Possibly match up with some of the requests that we've been seeing at the youth. 01:04:16
If it's not. 01:04:21
If someone brings forward something and it's not particularly age appropriate for middle school, we do put the young, we do put 01:04:22
younger programming up at the Community Center and we are looking to, when we bring on some of that adult programming using that 01:04:28
space up there as well. So if someone brought forward something that wasn't particularly age appropriate. 01:04:34
For the youth center, but would be a great contribution to the community. 01:04:41
We could then move that up to the Community Center. We have that huge room, lots of space. We do have a 40 hour coordinator 01:04:44
assigned to that building, so that would be something that coordinator could manage. 01:04:49
That that growing list of. 01:04:54
Interests and requests. Is that something that you could share with us? I mean, it makes sense to put that out there at some 01:04:58
point, sort of publicly and see, see where the matches are. 01:05:03
Of you know who has the skills and abilities. 01:05:09
To be the point. 01:05:13
Yes, that would be something we could share also is that something that Amy Colony, that's part of the scope of her job 01:05:16
responsibilities, I mean. 01:05:21
I know she. 01:05:26
You know, the outreach with, you know, sort of the wedding club and gardening club. 01:05:27
And ask for volunteers, and that's a regular thing where with communication. But would this also be something or is this kind of 01:05:33
outside the scope of her job responsibilities and you really would need that rec coordinator to take the lead on something like 01:05:38
this? 01:05:44
I think again it would be a question of what? 01:05:52
What we're requesting and what the request for the volunteer going out is, so for example we we are running our soccer program 01:05:56
currently. 01:06:00
On we have one full time rec coordinator who's coordinating everything and he has a couple of part time staff that have helped 01:06:05
him. And for one or two weekends myself and Stephanie have jumped in to help with a few items. But primarily he's running it with 01:06:11
a couple of part time staff. There are local high school students and they're phenomenal and the rest of it is all being run 01:06:17
through volunteer coaches. 01:06:23
We put out as soon as we put out the registration for that program, we also immediately put up a flyer and the Flyers went side by 01:06:30
side and all of our advertisement. 01:06:34
Umm requesting volunteer coaches. And then they came for a meeting so that our coordinator could explain what the what they would 01:06:39
be needed, what the commitment would be, what the items would be and then? 01:06:45
After that we had them come in for a training to handle some of the safety items to be fingerprinted to go through some training. 01:06:54
To meet what they would need and that program is running right now. We will be bringing forward that program actually hopefully in 01:07:01
February for reports. You can see how that went. But that program is being successfully run with volunteers and that one we that 01:07:07
one we advertised for because it was a recreation program. 01:07:13
So it would probably just depend on the specific item we're trying to advertise. 01:07:21
A couple of things. I do really like the ideas of the specialty. 01:07:28
Talents, but I think there's actually two elements that I've. 01:07:33
That have been sort of discussed over a number of months, one is. 01:07:38
More activities for residents to do things like chess club or crochet or. 01:07:41
No game night and that's a really wonderful opportunity for people to come in, but I do see a fundamental difference between that. 01:07:48
Like leading a club and the other major intent which was to. 01:07:57
Really ease some of the the constraints of the city, so I guess I'd ask. 01:08:02
When people say why is the pool closing at the end of August? 01:08:08
What's our? 01:08:14
Well, I think it's in the past it's been because we don't have life. 01:08:16
And so this is specifically toward. 01:08:20
Saying, well, we have really good weather in September and October, what would we have to do to keep that open? Well, we could 01:08:23
either hire. 01:08:27
A paid position. 01:08:32
Which is challenging hiring in that time. Or we might be able to have a program like this so that that was a very specific intent. 01:08:33
Same thing with the with the youth center. How many hours is the youth center? 01:08:38
Per week. 01:08:45
16 hours 16. 01:08:49
And I've heard from parents and I thought myself, it'd be great if it was open at other times. And so the intent of this was, you 01:08:53
know? 01:08:57
Can. 01:09:01
Develop a program so that we have that flex. 01:09:03
Whether it would, whether it would? 01:09:08
Or whether kids are going to come on the weekends or they're going to stay later. But what time does it close now? 01:09:11
5:30 or. 01:09:17
Six. It's open, yeah. 01:09:19
Tuesday, Wednesday and Friday from 3:00 to 6:00 and then Thursday from 2:00 to 6:00. 01:09:23
Right. 01:09:28
That was a very specific. 01:09:31
Well, we have a recommendation. Did you want to modify your recommendation or request to staff? 01:09:39
For follow up, yeah I would. I would make a couple of slight changes to the recommendation. One would be inserting the word or 01:09:46
replacing this. 01:09:51
Coming Summer with Buy this coming summer, just so that the program's in place. 01:09:57
And then the second recommendation is. 01:10:03
The end of that sentence saying provide notifications to the community about the volunteer opportunities. 01:10:08
At the pool and. 01:10:14
That will be available. 01:10:17
So I think. 01:10:30
We're asking or recommending is. 01:10:31
Whether you can talk to your staff. 01:10:35
Whether we can move forward with these recommendations. 01:10:38
You know, having talked to Dan, I know that he's pretty enthusiastic about having the pool open with lifeguards on the weekend. 01:10:44
We're running out of time for September and October. But maybe talking to staff, see what we could do and kind of massage this a 01:10:52
little bit and come back at another meeting in the future and just see what we can do. Because I think you have a good idea of 01:11:00
kind of what the rec board is thinking at this point and what we'd like to see. And it really is just an expansion. 01:11:08
Of things, opportunities for the youth, but with utilizing the skill set of our residents. So I I I don't want to make it real. I 01:11:17
don't want to really make it a motion. I think it's more just. 01:11:23
A conversation about this and. 01:11:31
Then kind of putting it back in your core and just seeing what you can do with. 01:11:34
Does that sound reasonable? 01:11:39
To use, I would actually like to make a motion. I think that if we don't make a formal recommendation it. 01:11:42
I've seen in the past that it can be, it can get. 01:11:48
But I mean I would make a motion if if we can at this point. 01:11:53
To I would move. 01:11:58
For those two recommendations as as. 01:12:02
So are you asking that I'm making a motion for those two recommendations with those slight edits? OK. 01:12:10
I second that motion. 01:12:19
OK, let's have. 01:12:23
All in favor. 01:12:25
I'm going to kind of not be in favor only because I I don't think we have to make a motion on this, but I respect everything that 01:12:29
you're doing, so thank you for that. 01:12:34
OK, so. 01:12:44
Anything for the next meeting that anybody wants to put on the agenda for the next meeting or we'll just deal with it as the month 01:12:46
goes. 01:12:49
A long pickleball. 01:12:53
I think, I think we need to do pickle. 01:12:56
After. 01:12:58
OK. The pickleball issue is an important one and I will be in communication with Katie and Dan on that. So we'll have something on 01:13:01
the agenda about Pickle wall because it is an area of concern. 01:13:07
I would perhaps recommend keeping it somewhat narrow and focused on the high school courts, because otherwise it can be a very. 01:13:14
It can spin out of control really quickly. 01:13:23
I believe Jay is the person who's been around longest and he has recollection of what this has been like in the past, so thank you 01:13:27
for that. 01:13:31
I would like to make one more agenda item to discuss is the idea of a. 01:13:35
Community or recreation and community walking tour of the city. 01:13:43
I think that. 01:13:50
That you know, we obviously don't have anybody else in the room here. 01:13:51
There's very few people. 01:13:56
And I think that. 01:13:59
This room is not always the best place to experience the recreation opportunities in the city and I think that. 01:14:01
When we've done things out in the city like the inspections. 01:14:08
Just talking to people has been eye opening to me. 01:14:11
And I think something a little more intentional, like a walking tour or? 01:14:15
You know open house. 01:14:21
Where we move as a rec board and maybe city and we move park to park throughout the day and we talk about what is the vision for 01:14:23
these spaces. 01:14:27
We go to our net park and we say is this what we want? And we go to Lovers Point and we say, you know, is this what do we want and 01:14:31
start to get some ideas. 01:14:35
And the informal conversations are great, but I would be really nice to have some type of documentation of. 01:14:40
What the city wants from the recreation. 01:14:47
OK. Thank you for that. 01:14:50
The other thing that I think will probably be having some updates will be the George Washington Park play equipment because the 01:14:53
RFP will be due and so we'll have some information. 01:14:58
And we should start thinking about 2024 rec board goals. 01:15:05
What we would like to see happen. 01:15:10
Also revisit last year's goals. What did we accomplish? What do we still need to work on? And the only thing I would add to that 01:15:14
is that maybe we want to take some personal ownership of some of the goals, which might be kind of nice to kind of shepherd those 01:15:20
goals through or at least move them along in the process. 01:15:26
That's all I have. 01:15:33
So, anybody else any final thoughts or comments? 01:15:35
OK. This meeting is adjourned. Thank you very much. 01:15:40
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Board meeting in session today. 00:00:00
And it looks like it's about 6:00. 00:00:03
So we'll start out with the approval of the agenda if anyone has any changes, corrections or additions. 00:00:08
If not, could we have a motion to approve the agenda? 00:00:18
Thank you. 00:00:24
I'll second that. OK, We have a second all in favor, just say aye. 00:00:28
We're going to go next to board and staff announcements. 00:00:34
Katie, do you have any announcements for us? 00:00:39
Did you want to do a formal call to order? 00:00:58
Thank you very. 00:01:01
Let's do a roll call. 00:01:03
OK, member. 00:01:09
Who just contacted us? He's running. 00:01:11
Thank you, Member Tully. 00:01:13
Member Wise. 00:01:16
Member gamble here. 00:01:18
And Chair Goldsmith here. Thank you. 00:01:20
Maybe any announcements or? 00:01:30
All right. The first announcement we have is the call for CIP projects has been put out by Public Works. The e-mail was forwarded 00:01:33
to the board and Commission. 00:01:38
And then the applications will be due March 20th. The application information and the link to the form are in the e-mail that was 00:01:43
sent on to you, Colleen. 00:01:47
And then the second announcement is that the skate park report with the initial findings is scheduled to go before City Council on 00:01:54
February 7th. 00:01:59
Our third announcement is we are excited to announce that PG rec will be offering a track and field program this spring. 00:02:07
Information will be released at the beginning of February. Registration will be open early March, and the program is set to run 00:02:13
April through May. 00:02:17
We are also starting our summer staff recruitment. The department is finalizing the final few details of that. 00:02:24
We will be looking for lifeguards, swim instructors, camp counselors. 00:02:30
And chem counselors for both our traditional camps and our sports camps. So we'll be set to run this. 00:02:35
The applications should be posted early next week on our HR page. 00:02:40
And then finally we have a we still have our 30 hour recreation coordinator position that is up for. 00:02:47
Recruitment again. The application is up and on the HR web page. It is open until February 4th. 00:02:53
And then the final announcement is there. 00:03:01
The request to. 00:03:05
For to change the. 00:03:06
Meeting time back to its original time of 4:00 PM, so we'll bring that for consideration in the February. 00:03:09
22nd record meeting. 00:03:18
OK. Thank you so much for. 00:03:21
Let me turn that back now to. 00:03:23
Commissioners. 00:03:26
Any announcements? 00:03:27
I have actually a couple because we haven't didn't have a meeting last month, so bear with me. 00:03:33
Under unfinished. 00:03:40
I have an update that the backstop engineering has commenced. 00:03:42
And public works awaiting final drawings. After approval, materials will be ordered and installation to be scheduled. 00:03:47
The second announcement is RFP was issued for the George Washington Park play equipment and that will be on the and and that I. 00:03:56
Goes through about the first week of February, so it will be on the agenda for the February rec board meeting. 00:04:07
I have these page. The skate park evaluation has been ongoing and that was asking neighbors for their input. 00:04:13
Staff, as Katie has said, will present information to the City Council in February. 00:04:26
Also, recreation proposals for high school students are not ready. Public works is still recruiting for that 30 hour per week 00:04:31
recreation coordinator position. The rec board will be kept apprised and hopefully there will also be ideas for adult residents 00:04:37
for recreation. 00:04:43
Five, there has been one issue of misinformation as I understand it, and I was also confused about this. So this is just. 00:04:50
To clarify, the Community Center does not possess quiet pickleball equipment to loan out to pickleball players. 00:04:59
Katie has been researching the possible purchase of quiet paddles and those could be given out in loan to pickleball players. 00:05:08
Then the other item is I wanted to everybody know that Ashley and I attended the City Council meeting. 00:05:17
And it's probably back in November or December to express support for a smaller skate park. 00:05:24
Project in the city and I also attended the presentation that Amy Colony made to PG City Council and expressed the support of the 00:05:31
rec board for the Chinese Pavilion project. 00:05:37
And that's all the announcements I have. 00:05:44
Is Nick Smith available? 00:05:53
Or is our liaison? 00:05:57
He is not present online. OK, thank you. We're going to go forward with general public comment. 00:06:19
Should get my glasses for this general public comment. Must deal with matter subject to the jurisdiction of the city and the 00:06:26
recreation board. 00:06:31
That are not on the regular agenda. Comments from the public will be limited to 3 minutes. 00:06:35
And will not receive Recreation Board action. Comments regarding items on the regular agenda shall be heard prior to Recreation 00:06:40
Board consideration of such items. 00:06:46
At the time such items are called. 00:06:52
Whenever possible, written correspondence should be submitted to the Rec Board in advance of the meeting to provide adequate time 00:06:54
for its consideration. 00:06:59
Thank you. 00:07:08
Yes. 00:07:13
LSI that. 00:07:16
Turn it. 00:07:22
It's on. OK. I live at 488 Gibson Ave. 00:07:25
And I have been subjected to the noise of pickleball for the last four years, so I wanted to share with you some thoughts you 00:07:30
might have if you were in my situation. 00:07:34
The mayor asked me to bring some ideas about noise and management to the recreation board for them to make recommendations to the 00:07:42
council. 00:07:46
How does the recreation board do their assigned? 00:07:51
If only the staff items get on the agenda. 00:07:55
I've sent in two memos. 00:07:59
The job descriptions of the rec staff include management and maintenance of the facilities. 00:08:01
The only management and maintenance you would see evidence of. 00:08:07
Is the moving of. 00:08:11
No walk in's answering machines, not people. 00:08:13
No supervision of the rules of the. 00:08:16
Supervision is left to the. 00:08:19
You might think staff was walled. 00:08:23
As much as possible from the neighbors. 00:08:25
You would see rule violations like pickleball on tennis courts, pets, food, drinks, dogs, trikes and bikes, kids hanging on Nets, 00:08:30
unlock gates and no staff. 00:08:35
Ever showing up to correct. 00:08:41
You might note that even though the Public Works made an attempt to restore the hedge on 14th St. four years ago. 00:08:44
It has been a massive failure as things are only getting worse and more unsightly. 00:08:52
You might wonder if their plan was to let it. 00:08:58
And eliminate the. 00:09:01
You might often think, Wow, the city continues to support big violations of its sound ordinance. 00:09:04
And court rules to allow pickleball. 00:09:11
And some days the numbers and screaming defy. 00:09:14
You might think that all the attempts to require quiet equipment have failed. 00:09:19
So there is no hope of improvement. 00:09:25
Even when the adult school buys quiet equipment and says they will leave it in the office, it doesn't happen. 00:09:28
You might be encouraged when Colleen Goldsmith responds to your memo and makes a site visit only Discover only to discover that 00:09:37
that memo will not be discussed at the staff at the board meeting at the Rec board meeting. 00:09:44
You might get excited. 00:09:52
When an amazing win win solution finally shows itself. 00:09:54
And the assistant. 00:09:59
Superintendent of Schools outlines possibilities to make it work. 00:10:02
Others get excited, too. 00:10:06
That the high school courts may now be double line, a school board member says. Wow, maybe they could do it over the holidays. 00:10:09
And once again, you would discover that offering a proposal that is better, a better deal for Pickleballers and neighbors is kept 00:10:19
off the agenda. 00:10:23
You might decide, after these realities and four years of too much noise, to let the City Council and city manager know. 00:10:29
That responsible efforts to identify. 00:10:37
And make things better by the recreation board have failed to be allowed on the agenda. 00:10:40
And send the memos. 00:10:47
Ever the optimist, you might. 00:10:50
That they will want to choose, win, win at full. 00:10:52
Thank you. 00:10:59
My name is Andrea Dracos and I live at 615 14th St. 00:11:09
Could you please spell your? 00:11:15
My last name. 00:11:16
DRAKOS. 00:11:19
I've been asked to read this. 00:11:24
During the public comment. So this is kind of. 00:11:27
Whether it says neighbors have been feeling about the football situation. 00:11:32
Anyway, finally a win win for pickleball players and more Still neighbors. 00:11:36
Thanks to a change in the California Interscholastic Federation rules that now. 00:11:41
Thus full courts to be double lined for tennis and pickle. 00:11:47
The six Pacific Grove High school courts are now an option for pickleball play. 00:11:52
If the City of Pacific Grove and the Pacific Grove Unified School District work together. 00:11:57
The courts at the high school could be used 8:30 to 5:30. 00:12:03
During 185 days. 00:12:07
When the campus is not. 00:12:10
That would include every. 00:12:12
With the growth of the paddle sport and more interest among younger 10. 00:12:16
Among younger. 00:12:20
The tenants area with four. 00:12:22
Would allow room for current use and. 00:12:24
This would free up the City of Pacific Grove to return to honoring its democratically established sound regulations. 00:12:31
For the Morristown courts. 00:12:40
By requiring quiet equipment already. 00:12:43
By the Pacific Grove Adult Education Program. 00:12:47
To be used on the Morristown. 00:12:49
And limiting. 00:12:52
Limiting pay time to Tuesday and Thursday. 00:12:54
The courts could be supervised when the recreation staff are working regular hours. 00:12:57
And the adult? 00:13:02
Would still be able to have classes during. 00:13:04
When the high school campus is. 00:13:07
Requiring quiet equipment. 00:13:10
Would not be. 00:13:12
But learning the game would. 00:13:14
And the high school courts would not require quite equip. 00:13:17
Currently pickleball is avail. 00:13:21
156 days a year. 00:13:23
On four pickle. 00:13:26
If this suggested plan is IMP. 00:13:28
Pacific Growth will have 185 days a year. 00:13:31
On 8 quarts. 00:13:35
With no equipment restrictions. 00:13:37
And 104 days on 4. 00:13:39
With quiet equipment Requ. 00:13:42
Along with all the other courts that have been. 00:13:45
On the Monterey Peninsula. 00:13:48
This increase should be more than applicable. 00:13:50
Josh joined the assistant Superintendent of Civic Grove Unified School. 00:13:53
Has already put forward some ideas about how this could be implemented. 00:13:58
From the district. 00:14:02
Those have already been sent to you. 00:14:04
I recommend as he suggested. 00:14:07
That he be included in any discussions about moving this. 00:14:10
We strongly urge you to Recom. 00:14:14
That the City Council return our. 00:14:17
To its reasonable peace and. 00:14:20
While cooperating with the Pacific Grove Unified School District. 00:14:23
To create more local pickleball. 00:14:26
By adopting this propos. 00:14:30
Improved version. 00:14:32
Thank you. Thank you. 00:14:34
Good evening. Thank you for your. 00:14:46
Looks like you're showing a few members tonight. 00:14:48
Can I have your name please? But anyway, I'm here to talk about pickleball, so I live on 14th St. 00:14:52
Jerry N. 00:15:00
Thank you. I've lived there about 40 years. 00:15:02
Anyway, yeah. 00:15:06
I just want to hit the high spots of some of the things that have already been said. 00:15:08
And that is that applicable has two versions, a loud version and a quieter version. 00:15:13
Depending upon equipment and also it has a lot of screamers. 00:15:22
Which? 00:15:28
Screaming in a residential neighborhood. 00:15:29
I don't know how that goes over how these people are so inconsiderate as to do this. 00:15:33
But they. 00:15:37
And we had pickleball and it's I guess it's becoming even more popular as. 00:15:39
As a past. 00:15:44
So anyway, what has happened? Is that Mister Jealous behind me? 00:15:48
Has worked for four years to try to come up with some alternatives so we don't have so much noise on 14th St. 00:15:53
And he and. 00:16:03
An administrator, Mr. Jordan, at the high school have come out with something that greatly expands the possibility of both loud 00:16:07
pickleball and quieter pickleball. 00:16:14
And I think this is, I mean it's been gnawing on us for four years. I think it's well within the purview of you people to bring 00:16:21
this forward and look at this burden. 00:16:28
Breakthrough that has occurred thanks to Mr. Jealous and the school board, because they've been the school district Mr. Jordan has 00:16:35
been willing to. 00:16:40
That's funny, I used to watch him and play baseball with his mother. But anyway has been willing to work with us and it's become a 00:16:49
as is a long term Fiji resident with. 00:16:55
Long term PG interests so. 00:17:02
I think the way is clear here to make some progress on a difficult. 00:17:04
Thank you. Thank you very much. 00:17:09
Hello. 00:17:20
My name is Mary Albert. I live at 523 Gibson Ave. just across the street. 00:17:24
Central Pickleball Courts. 00:17:30
At the Morris still. 00:17:35
Tennis courts. I am here to support this. 00:17:38
New idea for pickleball at the high school on Saturdays. It would be a big improvement. We really appreciate the compromise that's 00:17:43
happened so far with pickleball. I think Saturdays, you know, I've noticed that the when courts are available. 00:17:53
On the weekends and throughout the week. 00:18:03
The courts are full of tennis players and I think four years ago when we started all of this, there was a lot of talk about, well, 00:18:07
those courts aren't used anyway, Nobody's playing tennis. Well, that's. 00:18:12
I don't think it was necessarily the case then, but it certainly isn't now. It's full of tennis players. 00:18:17
Which has a very as a delightful. 00:18:24
Sound associated with it, unlike pickleball. 00:18:27
So yeah, I really am supportive of this new proposal, which would really be a win win. 00:18:32
And I just want to remind, I don't know if if the current REC board members have been around long enough to remember. 00:18:40
When we had the sound. 00:18:50
Issue before and just to remind you that the difference in noise levels between pickleball and tennis is just like night and day. 00:18:53
And if pickleball could be shifted even in part to the high school so that the pickleball club could have as much time or more as 00:19:03
they do now, that would be in a really easy win, win situation. 00:19:09
But yeah, pickleball is still as intrusive as ever for us. 00:19:16
There was the hope, I think, from some. 00:19:22
You know people that at the beginning that they thought, well, the neighbors would, you know, get used to it. It's the kind of 00:19:27
thing. Change is hard, but you'll get used to it. It'll disappear. But I'm here to tell you it doesn't disappear. It's as 00:19:32
intrusive as ever. 00:19:37
And just for myself, I can. 00:19:43
No, we haven't got used to it, so we're hoping. 00:19:46
That these, this new opportunity can be really looked into seriously and implemented as soon as possible. Thank you very much. 00:19:50
Thank you. 00:19:59
I'm Angela's. I live with Red. Jealous. 00:20:08
I have a hearing. 00:20:12
So I thought, we have such a quiet neighborhood still. It's so lovely. We've been living there for 47 years of this house and it 00:20:14
was quiet. I didn't have a hearing problem when we moved in. 00:20:19
I don't know. It's so still, so quiet. And then I put on hearing aids and go outside and I'm almost blown away. 00:20:26
The noise is horrific. Our 11 year old grandson came to visit sat in the dining room of our house. 00:20:33
Which is not Baton Ward House, OK, the walls are thick. 00:20:41
The doors were closed, The windows were shut. 00:20:47
He said. What is that noise? 00:20:50
That's how loud it is. It's extraordinarily intrusive. 00:20:53
And I have watched Fred suffer because he doesn't have a. 00:20:58
Problems for four years when we bought the house, it was a tennis. 00:21:03
And pickleball was not, and there was no pickleball at that time. So there's been no expectation of this happening. And if it were 00:21:09
happening now and we would be looking for a house to buy, we would not buy a house in the neighborhood. 00:21:17
So I'm asking you, please use whatever power you have to do whatever you can. 00:21:26
To help so that pickle Ballers can do their sport. 00:21:32
And get the health benefits somewhere else where they're not destroying the health of neighbors. 00:21:37
Thank you for listening. 00:21:44
Thank you. 00:21:46
Good evening. 00:21:54
Thank you. My name is Steve Albert. I live at 523 Gibson Ave. across from the Morrisville tennis courts. 00:21:57
They've always been tennis courts and they were for rackets and then all of a sudden they were approved for paddles and. 00:22:06
Pickleball. And I never really understood why because that's not where I bought my house and it was very loud and we. I don't 00:22:14
know. 00:22:18
Worried about it. And then we came to the council and we are where we are now with three days of pickleball and it's too loud. I 00:22:24
think it's louder than the code says is is feasible. So it's a problem. And their paddles, not rackets. And the courts were given 00:22:31
to the city for racket sports, not paddle sports. 00:22:38
So it's been an irritant and we're living with it and you know, our compromises are here, there and everywhere. And now we have 00:22:45
this proposal, which is just awesome. 00:22:50
And I really, really hope everyone sees that and moves it. 00:22:56
Everybody. 00:23:00
And I'd also like to thank you for serving on the board and I'd like to thank the rec department for bringing in the Nets when 00:23:03
there's no pickleball. That is such a big help and I really, really like it and I think it's wonderful. 00:23:08
And I want to end just by saying, you know, we're not just the PG residents all around the country. Pickleball is loud when it's 00:23:14
in a neighborhood. It's a great sport. People love playing it, and I completely understand why. It really is awesome. 00:23:21
And if they have the opportunity to play it away from a neighborhood, I just don't see why that isn't where we go. 00:23:29
This proposal is perfect. Whenever I see something in the paper about people being upset about pickleball noise, I try to send it 00:23:37
to you all. And I just want to emphasize that I. 00:23:42
Boy, how could you not move forward with this? How could you not try to go with this? How could you not spend some time to make 00:23:49
everybody happy? 00:23:53
Thank you very much. 00:23:59
Thank you. 00:24:00
I think we have someone online. 00:24:06
Hi in. 00:24:13
Thank you. Hello Chair and. 00:24:20
Boy, have you certainly heard some impassioned pleas tonight. And they were really restrained ones, unfortunately. 00:24:24
I'm going to say the usual is that unless you speak into your microphones, I will not hear and you have to be close enough. 00:24:33
To pick it up. The first two public speakers I could not hear. I don't know the first one, actually. I saw Katie was then turning 00:24:43
on the microphone. Well, it needs to be on. All of yours need to be on and you must speak into them. 00:24:51
My problem is that I wrote a letter to the board and it's not published in the agenda under written comments. 00:25:02
And I received no response. 00:25:10
It had been. 00:25:13
By Katie at the Rec Board and Rec Department. 00:25:16
So I have gone ahead and put in a public records request because I got nothing, because I think that for certain items it's, you 00:25:21
know, will be later on this agenda. 00:25:27
Do we need to see? 00:25:36
In the interest of transparency when they're new. 00:25:37
Just publish the application so that the public is Privy to them. I shouldn't have to do a public records request, that should 00:25:41
just be part of the report. 00:25:46
So that's my comment tonight and certainly these people have been so diligent about the pickleball that I hope it gets on an 00:25:52
agenda. 00:25:58
Sooner rather than later. 00:26:06
Thank you very. 00:26:08
Thank you. 00:26:10
We don't believe we have. 00:26:16
We're waiting for one more. 00:26:19
No, OK. 00:26:26
We did receive some written general public. 00:26:30
And we did have one from. 00:26:34
Lorenzo Lorenz. 00:26:37
I'm going to move ahead for approval of the. 00:26:42
And we have two months of minutes, so if anyone has any changes or corrections to the minutes otherwise I'll wait for a motion to 00:26:46
approve minutes. 00:26:52
We're looking at September 20. 00:26:58
As well as. 00:27:02
The minutes from November 30th. 00:27:05
Could we have proven 2? Not here for the second meeting, so I'd be happy to make a motion to approve. 00:27:09
The September 28th minutes. 00:27:14
Move a second. 00:27:18
2nd. 00:27:23
OK. All in favor, Aye. 00:27:24
OK, minutes approved. Now in the minutes for the November 30th meeting. 00:27:28
Any changes to or corrections to those minutes? 00:27:34
I want to thank Amina. 00:27:43
I'll go ahead and make a motion that we approve the minutes of November 30th. 00:27:54
I second that. Thank you, Ashley. All in favor. 00:28:00
Aye, aye. OK. Approved. 00:28:04
With one rec. 00:28:08
OK, we can start on our regular. 00:28:12
And the first item is the Special event Late Edition Enchanted Forest. 00:28:16
Katie will be presenting that. 00:28:24
OK. This is agenda item 7. It's special events modifications for the fiscal year 2324 calendar for the application in panted 00:30:03
forest. 00:30:08
A quick review of City Council policy, the City Council Policy 900-1 Special Events was updated by City Council on July 27th, 00:30:21
2022. It now includes instructions for a late or off cycle applications. 00:30:29
An off cycle application refers to any application received after the November 30th submission deadline. 00:30:36
The policy specifies that the off cycle applications must be received 150 days prior to the event. 00:30:44
They cannot conflict with any other special events and they will not be recommended as city sponsored events. 00:30:51
On March 15th, 2023, City Council approved an updated version of the Fiscal Year 2324 Special Event calendar. 00:31:03
On November 30th, 2023, city staff received. 00:31:12
Fiscal Year 2324 Special Event Application from Active Me, Inc. 00:31:16
Where an event called Enchanted. 00:31:22
This application was received more than 150 days before the. 00:31:25
The event does not overlap with any events on the Fiscal Year 2324 special event calendar. 00:31:29
City staff has reviewed the application for feasibility, safety and cost and city staff is recommending this to be a full cost 00:31:35
recovery special event. 00:31:39
Information about the event and the application. The Enchanted Forest is sponsored by Active Me, which is a local nonprofit group. 00:31:50
The event would take place on June 1st, 2024 from 9:00 AM to 1:00 PM. 00:31:57
At Rip Van Winkle Open Space. The event is designed for children and their families. It includes A1 mile walk on the marked trail 00:32:03
of the open space. 00:32:07
Children will meet fairy tale characters and mystical forest creatures along the way. 00:32:12
There will be 10 stations with these characters and the characters will present physical and problem solving challenges for them 00:32:17
to complete. 00:32:21
The purpose of the event would be to bring children and their families together in an outdoor setting, encourage the use of 00:32:24
imagination and pretend play. 00:32:28
And promote physical and mental health. 00:32:32
There will also be an opportunity to donate new or like new toys or games and puzzles to local families in need. 00:32:34
Additional information includes There'll be 250 registration spaces available. 00:32:47
The participants will be assigned to specific time blocks. Those time blocks will be spaced out over 4 hours to prevent traffic 00:32:52
and parking congestion. 00:32:56
The trail can remain open to the public during this event. 00:33:01
There will be an admission fee of $25 per child to be collected to help cover the cost of the event supplies. 00:33:04
They will use biodegradable trail markers and then we'll remove those immediately after the close of the event. 00:33:11
Activme will provide 20 to 25 event staff to help with registration, trail stations, safety and first aid and clean up, and they 00:33:16
will also provide a crossing guard. 00:33:21
The fiscal impact for this event. 00:33:33
The event will acquire the following city staff and resources, two public works staff for two hours each to check the trail and 00:33:36
empty trash. 00:33:39
Staffing fees will cost an estimated $412.12. 00:33:43
The remaining fees include the application fee of $230 and trail use fees of 1805 dollars. 00:33:47
The total estimated cost for this event will be $2447.12. 00:33:54
City staff is recommending this to be a full cost recovery special event. 00:34:00
If approved, all fees will be of the responsibility of the event organizers. 00:34:04
And then the recommend. 00:34:09
The recommendation we're bringing forward tonight is to approve the Enchanted Forest as a full cost recovery special event for 00:34:14
inclusion in the Fiscal Year 2324 Special Events calendar. 00:34:19
And that's a conclusion of my. 00:34:31
Report we do have the event organizer who is online who is able to take questions after we go to public comment. 00:34:32
OK. Thank you very much. 00:34:40
Do we have any public? 00:34:43
Hi, Inga. 00:35:01
Thank you. 00:35:03
Commission members, our board members. 00:35:06
I believe that the report somewhere said in there also, though I didn't hear it read out, was that the park is still open, is 00:35:10
still open to the public that they can. 00:35:16
Have a trail and can still go through. 00:35:23
Certainly walk their dogs, etc. 00:35:26
Umm, well, that's my. 00:35:30
And also I would have liked to have had the application itself attached to the report. Thank you very much. 00:35:32
Thank you. 00:35:42
Hey, we're open for discussion. 00:35:55
I'm sorry the event organizer has raised their. 00:36:00
OK. Please go. 00:36:04
Hello. 00:36:07
Hello, my name is Fatima Wright and I am the even organizer for the Enchanted Forest. 00:36:11
Thank you very much for consideration. We are very excited that we can bring a new event to the local community. 00:36:19
I just wanted to. 00:36:27
Mentioned that we are a local nonprofit mainly run by volunteers and really what we want to bring is. 00:36:30
Something very unique and new to the to the community where we can bring the families and kids together and. 00:36:39
Really promote fitness and mental health and. 00:36:47
When I was talking to Katie, it was brought to my attention that it's being considered as. 00:36:53
Full recovery cost. 00:36:59
Again, with respect to the nature of the event and with the fact that it's all organized for for the kids where we really don't 00:37:01
want them to charge high fees, I would. 00:37:08
Greatly appreciate if the board would consider the event to be city sponsored. 00:37:16
Will you stay on the line if we have any questions? 00:37:28
Absolutely. 00:37:31
Hey, thank you. 00:37:33
Any questions? Couple questions. I know Rip Van Winkle. 00:37:36
OK this is better. I know the ruthen winkle is. 00:37:43
Both. 00:37:47
Pebble Beach. 00:37:49
Or County and Pacific Grove is this. 00:37:50
Walk only being done in the Pacific Grove boundary. 00:37:55
Yes, it would be only completed in the Pacific Rd. boundary. So we've already discussed this with Public Works and what we would 00:38:00
do is we go over beforehand, make sure we have clear definitions of where that line is. I'll show it, make sure we show those to 00:38:07
the event organizer and also check them. So make sure we're just staying on the city property. 00:38:13
OK, I'll follow up too then. I I'm actually didn't realize we did a trail use. 00:38:20
I knew we had facility fees. That's a pretty steep. 00:38:26
For walking into group, make a recommendation to the council that the that on the fee schedule. 00:38:30
Trails, The roof and winkle trails is classified differently, whether that's for free or at a a newly calculated cost. 00:38:39
Do we have? 00:38:50
I second that motion. 00:38:53
We're going to take a vote all in favor. 00:38:58
You say aye. 00:39:01
Motion passes. 00:39:04
Going to make a second motion. With that caveat, I would make a motion to approve the 2425 special events calendar. 00:39:06
And a second. 00:39:15
I second that motion. Thank you, Ashley. All in favor. Please say aye. Aye. 00:39:18
Motion passes unanimously. 00:39:24
And I ask I don't know can we can I ask a question even though it's after? 00:39:28
No. So this is a budget estimate and I'm wondering is there this kind of? 00:39:33
Grid matrix for actual costs like for example from last year that that it could be compared to what's budgeted and then what 00:39:44
actually. 00:39:49
I'd be really curious to see. 00:39:54
How on target these end up being and that might be helpful in just future decision making as well. 00:39:56
Is that something that's available? 00:40:03
Yes, that is something that we can track and have available for you next year when we present this. 00:40:07
Just to clarify though, my understanding is that you build these costs to understand what your budget will be. 00:40:16
And then we raised funds as a city to pay for our overall cost, so you won't see a Direct Line item that says. 00:40:21
The event for the little car show was processed. Here's how much it cost. Instead, we'll have just total labor hours for staff. 00:40:28
And so that's where you you there's that budgeting process. 00:40:36
And it's a it's a time consuming like you have months in advance really. 00:40:40
That's Underst. 00:40:44
Anything about budgeting, so if that's too too hard to parse out, I understand. 00:40:47
So we do on this, we do it ahead of the fiscal year so that City Council can see and approve the amount because this will be a 00:40:53
real cost that that unsubsidized amount will be a real cost that will come out of the city budget. So they need to have that 00:41:00
information as they're working through their budget process, which is about to. 00:41:07
Both commence shortly. 00:41:16
And then but we. 00:41:18
Have we do have the ability to track as we invoice, we invoice all of the full cost recovery events so we have an invoice for 00:41:21
theirs. 00:41:25
And we are starting to track the full cost for all. 00:41:30
City sponsored 1, so they'll have an invoice, even though we're not actually sending out the invoice, We would have an invoice 00:41:34
that would show exactly how many staffing hours we used if we were under staffing or over staffing hours, how many signs we use, 00:41:40
all that type of stuff. So we'll have all of that. And now that we have some more staffing on hand, we can attract those better. 00:41:46
So we could bring back how on target we were for you next year if you would like. 00:41:52
Yeah, that answers the question. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, perfect. 00:41:58
And then I just have a clarification your. 00:42:03
First motion was to recommend the reduction of the trail fees. 00:42:05
And the second motion was to approve the calendar we still need. 00:42:11
The two remaining recommendations? 00:42:16
Which were let's? 00:42:19
So the second one was approved, the seven proposed special events to be built at full cost recovery rate and the third was to 00:42:37
approve the 23 special events as city sponsored events and waive fees for city staff and support. That's right. Thank you. So 00:42:44
could we have a motion to be specific about the city sponsored and the full recovery events? 00:42:50
And anybody like to make that motion? 00:42:58
Ashley, your turn. 00:43:02
I motion to approve the seven proposed events as special events to be billed at full cost recovery rate. 00:43:05
And approve 23 proposed special events as city sponsored events and waive the fees for city staff support and equipment facility 00:43:14
usage. 00:43:19
Thank you. Do we have a second? 00:43:26
One second. 00:43:28
OK, we're gonna have a vote. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. 00:43:31
Motion passes. 00:43:36
And that brings us up to the last item, which is the Community Volunteer program, and our Vice Chair, Jay Tully, will present 00:43:44
that. 00:43:49
Thank you. 00:43:55
OK. 00:43:59
The. 00:44:02
Is provided here. There's. 00:44:04
Do you start with the recommendation or the discussion? I don't, I don't recall actually on a comment like this. 00:44:08
So you'll want to provide your report and then your recommendation, and then we'll take it to public comment and then back for 00:44:17
discussion. Great. 00:44:21
OK. So as written, you know following COVID-19, we had a lot of closures and we heard. 00:44:25
At multiple meetings, the desire for more access to facilities, we've had a longer a lot of discussions about that. We talked 00:44:34
about a longer pool season. 00:44:38
And more time for facilities to be open. We also heard over the last couple years how hard it is to hire people and apparently 00:44:43
with the that recreation coordinator position going back out, it's that's continuing. 00:44:50
So we are looking for some ways to ease the burden and allow more access to occur. 00:44:58
So we already have a really great volunteer program led by Miss Colony. It provides a ton of benefit to the city doing wedding and 00:45:06
trash pickup. 00:45:11
And so we've discussed the idea of expanding that community volunteer program to serve more. 00:45:17
Programs such as recreation. 00:45:23
Specifically for the pool and the youth center and and the Community Center. 00:45:26
So we are envisioning this to extend the swim season into September and October, when the weather's still warm. 00:45:32
But most of the summer hires go back to school. 00:45:40
Of course, we understand that any volunteers dealing with children will require fingerprinting, background checks and then the 00:45:45
other training that hired staff would be required to take. 00:45:50
And at previous meetings, Katie's indicated that a scope of work or duties should be provided to the volunteer program coordinator 00:45:55
in order to set up the volunteer program. 00:46:01
So the recommend. 00:46:08
For the agenda report is that the recreation program manager provide the scope of work and duties. 00:46:10
To the rec board for. 00:46:17
Which will then be forwarded, or if it's approved to be forwarded to the volunteer program manager. 00:46:20
Specifically to set up the ability to have volunteer lifeguards at Lovers Point Pool this coming summer and to allow adults to 00:46:25
support city staff at the youth center and Community Center. 00:46:31
Second recommendation, as written, is to provide notifications to the community about the volunteer opportunities when they become 00:46:37
available. 00:46:42
Thank you for that report. Do we have any public comment? 00:46:51
Seeing no public comment, we'll bring it back for discussion. 00:47:01
I don't know if we want. Do you have any questions for Katie on this? Because this is something that we need to interface and work 00:47:07
together. 00:47:12
This is to happen one question I have on the recommend. The second recommendation is that about volunteer opportunities when they 00:47:18
become available. I think I would have phrased that a little differently. 00:47:24
And that. 00:47:31
That there will be volunteer opportunities at the pool and the youth center, or that volunteer opportunities. 00:47:32
At the pool and youth center will be available. I think we want to get people thinking about it and not just wait. I think that 00:47:38
that this type of outreach, positive outreach is really. 00:47:44
Effective. And so I'm just curious about the ways that we might go about that. 00:47:51
Yeah, I have. 00:48:00
So they'd like to discuss when I think of volunteers. 00:48:01
Perhaps like parent volunteers at the youth center. I'm thinking some of the kids that use the youth center might not really want 00:48:07
their parents there. 00:48:11
That this is their opportunity to not be with their teachers and not be with their parents, but get to be a kid with some staff, 00:48:16
people that they enjoy and get to know. 00:48:22
The way I kind of see. 00:48:29
Maybe being a real asset to the Community Center is if they could teach something. 00:48:32
Like for instance if they have some really specialized computer skills or game playing skills or something else that. 00:48:36
You know, the kids would really wanna know about as a way to kind of introduce parents, make them feel more comfortable because 00:48:44
they sort of have a defined task and also the kids would be more open to. 00:48:51
Adults that are not, you know, the cool staff people, but our parents in the community. 00:48:59
Who could actually teach them something that they're interested in learning about? Does anybody? 00:49:06
And since I don't have any kids at the youth center, I really don't really know how it quite works. So if you have any insights to 00:49:10
share about that and how you think that parents could best be utilized at the youth center. 00:49:18
Yeah, I I agree. And I thought originally that was sort of the the spirit of the idea of of your kernel, of the idea of expanding 00:49:29
programming. 00:49:34
And then like a larger smorgasbord of activities for youth and. 00:49:39
Adults. And so I wasn't quite sure when I read this because it looks to me just like support supporting meaning just more adults 00:49:43
there and that's not what. 00:49:49
That's not a great use of of our resources. 00:49:55
So the way it's worded, it didn't reflect to me. 00:49:59
You had brought forth. 00:50:03
Commissioned some months. 00:50:07
And also the lifeguards at the Lovers Point pool this coming summer. My understanding is that in the summer it is well staffed. 00:50:09
It's more like September and October. When are these beautiful months? 00:50:14
And that's when we actually need umm. 00:50:21
Possibly some expansion of qualified lifeguards? Volunteers, possibly. 00:50:24
So. 00:50:30
Yeah, that's my thoughts. 00:50:33
Maybe I can make a clarification on that recommendation that it maybe should have said by this this summer. 00:50:35
Just to make sure. 00:50:41
Did the necessary. I know it takes time to set this up, but the goal would be that that you already have lifeguards who are 00:50:43
trained. 00:50:46
And that when the some of the students, college students, high school students have to leave, we might be able to continue to have 00:50:50
it open because we might have a strong group of volunteer lifeguards already. 00:50:56
As to your other point, the I do recall the discussion where we talked about some of the specialized ideas. 00:51:04
I had thought about that more as at the Community Center for things like game nights or chess club or something, but I I take your 00:51:10
point that both of your points that. 00:51:15
You know, I think maybe my kids might be horrified if I was the volunteer when they were there, so I would. 00:51:22
Definitely welcome other. 00:51:28
Adult volunteers. 00:51:31
I think there's one really great opportunity to see SUMB service learning program is a great program. The soccer club I coach at, 00:51:34
we utilize them and all you have to do is you have to get on to their. 00:51:40
Their calendar or their their course list or their their list of volunteer opportunities. 00:51:46
And you will get a lot of people calling you saying I would love to. 00:51:52
Fulfill my service learning obligation and. 00:51:57
You know, sitting at a pool that would be, I think of one that a lot of them would would. 00:52:01
First on their list. So I think there's a lot of creative ways to get people other. 00:52:06
US uncool parents to be there. I think it's I think this is where some of the creativity and the outrage that that we depend on 00:52:11
you for Katie. 00:52:16
And then one other comment though is that there was a real goal. 00:52:23
That it wouldn't just be about these specialty things, but it would be about extending the hours and that if there is a 00:52:28
constraint. 00:52:31
On the hours that a community like a coord. 00:52:34
Can do that. We would extend that. And I realized that there's probably a requirement that you need a certain number of adults. 00:52:39
The ratio of kids to adults at the youth center might be a constraint. 00:52:45
And there might be a constraint that I would actually like to clarify with you. 00:52:51
I imagine you would not be allowed to have two volunteers without a staff member. 00:52:56
But imagine you would be able to have one staff member and one volunteer. 00:53:01
And then later another staff member and another volunteer, so you'd be able to have more hours with the same number of. 00:53:06
City. 00:53:12
So that's that's how I'm trying to think about this way to augment city staff to extend the hours at least at the youth. 00:53:14
Yes. So for any programming or anytime we're opening up a city building, we do need to have a minimum number of staff. The staff 00:53:24
are the ones that are familiar with all of our emergency procedures with the building operations. They will be the ones that most 00:53:31
likely have especially for like programs like the youth center will have the ongoing relationships with the with a lot of the 00:53:37
youth and children that we see. So yes, we do need a minimum number of staff I. 00:53:44
We it would. 00:53:53
On each program, whether we could use them for that ratio, there is something that I would like to just point out that for our 00:53:56
lifeguards and for our recreation assistance, which are the majority of the staff we have on right now, they all do complete a 40 00:54:02
hour training every single year. 00:54:09
So they complete that's not necessarily what we need for our each program. Some programs could use a little bit less, but for the 00:54:15
lifeguards for example, they complete a 40 hour training every single year prior to being allowed to run the program. So when we 00:54:20
bring those. 00:54:26
Descriptions for there may be some significant training components in that that we may need to include. 00:54:32
OK, Just to be clear that those lifeguards are only. 00:54:41
The pool, not at Lovers Point. 00:54:45
Doing any lifeguarding at lovers Point, right? Just the. 00:54:48
Yes, sorry, just at the pool, well 40 hours that is a lot for is that a three foot deep pool? 00:54:51
The highest point is like 3.5. 00:55:00
Well. 00:55:03
Could could one who's already licensed lifeguard, do they still have to take the 40 hour training? 00:55:10
Our staff no if, for example, CSUMB students. 00:55:17
I mean, I I teach there and a number of them are in like. 00:55:23
For opening and running a city event and we always want everything to be exceptionally high quality. We were very forward facing. 00:56:02
We want to make sure that not only are they guarding the pool, but that they're representing the city in a positive light. And we 00:56:10
would if they're out there, they we want them providing the same level of customer service that we work very hard with our staff. 00:56:17
To work on, and we do provide our staff with that, that 40 hours is not just them sitting around doing, you know, checking a 00:56:25
couple of boxes or taking a test. We run through scenarios with them. We run through practice drills with them. We run through 00:56:31
rescue drills with them. We run through how to interact with children of different ages, how to interact with their parents or 00:56:37
guardians. We run through a lot so that they receive a high level of. 00:56:42
Service from us. So some of that is we want to make sure we're providing a high level to the community. 00:56:50
Yeah, OK. 00:56:56
Still a couple of follow up questions and SO when. 00:56:59
When we open. 00:57:02
And so there's there's a lifeguard that would open the gate, right? Or is there a city staff? 00:57:05
Member that also goes every time to open the pool with one of the the lifeguards. 00:57:12
So during so for example during the summer, whether it's swim lessons, whether they're doing we do recreation swim for our camps 00:57:25
or whether it's weekend recreation swim, we always have a program supervisor that's someone who's had a couple of years experience 00:57:31
with the city and is comfortable supervising staff. 00:57:37
And then we also have our lifeguards. During swim lessons, for example, our lifeguards are usually our higher level trained. Our 00:57:44
swim instructors are our higher level trained lifeguards. During rec swim. Those can be entry level position lifeguards. 00:57:51
We do have those are the staff that are opening the pool. We do have someone who is assigned to manage the maintenance of the pool 00:57:58
and city staff who comes in to check the maintenance of the pool. But we do have city staff. All the lifeguards are city staff, so 00:58:03
it is city staff opening and running the pool. 00:58:08
Their city staff, because they're hired. 00:58:14
Hired life. 00:58:18
Yes, all of our lifeguards are hired and brought on as city employees. 00:58:20
Right. I so my point would be is that if you have a volunteer who's gone through the 40 hour training. 00:58:24
And they're doing the same things as a hired lifeguard. Would they be allowed to open the pool? 00:58:30
On one of in September for example, when. 00:58:35
The The hired lifeguards might need to go back to college. 00:58:38
For any city facility, we do need a city staff member present to open and close the facilities. 00:58:41
Regardless of how many volunteers we have. 00:58:47
OK. And then at the lighthouse, the docents are volunteers, right? 00:58:50
There are four, so they have four staff and I clarified this. They have four staff members on on payroll, so they have two docent 00:58:56
coordinators and two cashiers. And there are always staff, city staff present when the lighthouse is open for tours. So there's 00:59:03
always city staff on site that have open and closed the facility, even if they're using volunteer docents. 00:59:11
Gotcha. 00:59:19
I'm just kind of wondering if. 00:59:28
I'm thinking first and foremost of the volunteers, like the youth center. And I'm thinking a nice way to attract and get parents 00:59:32
involved would be to offer them a short term volunteer opportunity instead of saying are you available every Tuesday for the rest 00:59:39
of your life? You know, kind of thing, because life happens. 00:59:46
Kind of putting something out there where maybe they could teach. 00:59:55
Or a skill, or have something really kind of interesting. Maybe they're a magician and they can, you know, do magic tricks and and 00:59:58
kids might be wanting to learn some magic tricks. I don't know, but I'm just wondering. 01:00:05
There's a way to kind of publicize that we would like to have and done, and it isn't even just parents, it's. 01:00:12
People in the community, there's a lot of people who love kids who are who are non parents, but if Amy or if Public Works can put 01:00:19
something out that there is an opportunity to volunteer. 01:00:26
And maybe start small, specifically at the youth center and with something that you would like to share with young people. 01:00:33
And in a limited. 01:00:44
It's almost kind of like adult school. You know, we see these classes all the time and some of them are offered, you know, for a 01:00:47
couple of weeks at a time and then that's it. You know, it's just a short duration. But it would be interesting to see if there is 01:00:53
talent and interest in the community for doing something. And I think what we as as a board need to know. 01:01:00
Is does something like a scope of volunteer? 01:01:07
Opportunities have to be defined so that not only are you asking for that, but then if somebody says I'm interested. 01:01:13
In doing this, the communication back to them is this is what it involves or this is what we need from from you as a volunteer? 01:01:21
Did that sound like something would be kind of reasonable to kind of start broadening the program? 01:01:31
I of course have no problem if. 01:01:39
For myself, if there were interested parents who wanted to expand the hours of View Center and make it more available, but I 01:01:41
think, you know, maybe we could try something a little bit small, kind of. 01:01:47
You know, take temperature of the residents in the city and see what interests there is. 01:01:53
Any ideas or comments? I I really like that that idea that way of going about it and I also would say and I wonder about the youth 01:01:59
center as the location. 01:02:04
In part because we've talked about, you know, it's it's really the younger's who have more programming than the sort of the middle 01:02:11
schooler, slightly older kids. 01:02:15
So maybe the Community Center and. 01:02:21
And that we consider how to target a little bit more, although I guess older kids also have after school sports and all kinds of 01:02:25
things going on. 01:02:29
But yeah, I like the idea generally of like a short term. 01:02:35
Get. 01:02:39
You know, magical talents to come out. 01:02:41
You know, crocheting, whatever. Like there's a lot of. 01:02:45
Of, you know, activities that we could interact with and have kids come out. 01:02:50
And, and I agree, adults who maybe don't have kids or have retired or have grandkids somewhere else and and would love to have 01:02:56
that kind of. 01:03:00
You know, sort of family interaction. 01:03:06
I like that angle. 01:03:09
That that ask and I can jump in and say that we have been asking, particularly at the the youth center, we've been asking them for 01:03:13
recommendations and we've been asking students recommendations and we're getting some wonderful recommendations and they fall into 01:03:19
some categories just like you were speaking about. 01:03:26
Crocheting, Knitting, Cooking, Dungeons and Dragons. 01:03:33
Contribution it gives our staff would give our staff a chance to. 01:04:06
Meet other people in the community. Also find out where some of those skill sets are, so that would. 01:04:12
Possibly match up with some of the requests that we've been seeing at the youth. 01:04:16
If it's not. 01:04:21
If someone brings forward something and it's not particularly age appropriate for middle school, we do put the young, we do put 01:04:22
younger programming up at the Community Center and we are looking to, when we bring on some of that adult programming using that 01:04:28
space up there as well. So if someone brought forward something that wasn't particularly age appropriate. 01:04:34
For the youth center, but would be a great contribution to the community. 01:04:41
We could then move that up to the Community Center. We have that huge room, lots of space. We do have a 40 hour coordinator 01:04:44
assigned to that building, so that would be something that coordinator could manage. 01:04:49
That that growing list of. 01:04:54
Interests and requests. Is that something that you could share with us? I mean, it makes sense to put that out there at some 01:04:58
point, sort of publicly and see, see where the matches are. 01:05:03
Of you know who has the skills and abilities. 01:05:09
To be the point. 01:05:13
Yes, that would be something we could share also is that something that Amy Colony, that's part of the scope of her job 01:05:16
responsibilities, I mean. 01:05:21
I know she. 01:05:26
You know, the outreach with, you know, sort of the wedding club and gardening club. 01:05:27
And ask for volunteers, and that's a regular thing where with communication. But would this also be something or is this kind of 01:05:33
outside the scope of her job responsibilities and you really would need that rec coordinator to take the lead on something like 01:05:38
this? 01:05:44
I think again it would be a question of what? 01:05:52
What we're requesting and what the request for the volunteer going out is, so for example we we are running our soccer program 01:05:56
currently. 01:06:00
On we have one full time rec coordinator who's coordinating everything and he has a couple of part time staff that have helped 01:06:05
him. And for one or two weekends myself and Stephanie have jumped in to help with a few items. But primarily he's running it with 01:06:11
a couple of part time staff. There are local high school students and they're phenomenal and the rest of it is all being run 01:06:17
through volunteer coaches. 01:06:23
We put out as soon as we put out the registration for that program, we also immediately put up a flyer and the Flyers went side by 01:06:30
side and all of our advertisement. 01:06:34
Umm requesting volunteer coaches. And then they came for a meeting so that our coordinator could explain what the what they would 01:06:39
be needed, what the commitment would be, what the items would be and then? 01:06:45
After that we had them come in for a training to handle some of the safety items to be fingerprinted to go through some training. 01:06:54
To meet what they would need and that program is running right now. We will be bringing forward that program actually hopefully in 01:07:01
February for reports. You can see how that went. But that program is being successfully run with volunteers and that one we that 01:07:07
one we advertised for because it was a recreation program. 01:07:13
So it would probably just depend on the specific item we're trying to advertise. 01:07:21
A couple of things. I do really like the ideas of the specialty. 01:07:28
Talents, but I think there's actually two elements that I've. 01:07:33
That have been sort of discussed over a number of months, one is. 01:07:38
More activities for residents to do things like chess club or crochet or. 01:07:41
No game night and that's a really wonderful opportunity for people to come in, but I do see a fundamental difference between that. 01:07:48
Like leading a club and the other major intent which was to. 01:07:57
Really ease some of the the constraints of the city, so I guess I'd ask. 01:08:02
When people say why is the pool closing at the end of August? 01:08:08
What's our? 01:08:14
Well, I think it's in the past it's been because we don't have life. 01:08:16
And so this is specifically toward. 01:08:20
Saying, well, we have really good weather in September and October, what would we have to do to keep that open? Well, we could 01:08:23
either hire. 01:08:27
A paid position. 01:08:32
Which is challenging hiring in that time. Or we might be able to have a program like this so that that was a very specific intent. 01:08:33
Same thing with the with the youth center. How many hours is the youth center? 01:08:38
Per week. 01:08:45
16 hours 16. 01:08:49
And I've heard from parents and I thought myself, it'd be great if it was open at other times. And so the intent of this was, you 01:08:53
know? 01:08:57
Can. 01:09:01
Develop a program so that we have that flex. 01:09:03
Whether it would, whether it would? 01:09:08
Or whether kids are going to come on the weekends or they're going to stay later. But what time does it close now? 01:09:11
5:30 or. 01:09:17
Six. It's open, yeah. 01:09:19
Tuesday, Wednesday and Friday from 3:00 to 6:00 and then Thursday from 2:00 to 6:00. 01:09:23
Right.