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I'd like to call to order the January 20. 00:00:24
2024 meeting of the Historic Resources Committee. 00:00:27
And we will start with A roll. 00:00:32
Chair. 00:00:35
Present vice chair. 00:00:37
Here, remember Greening? 00:00:40
Remember Grannis? 00:00:44
Member Bickett. 00:00:46
We have 5 members. 00:00:49
0. 00:00:51
Thank you. We'll move to item number 2. 00:00:54
Can we get a motion to approve today's agenda? 00:00:58
So moved. Thank you, Mr. Steers second, Mr. Vicki, thank. 00:01:03
May we have a roll call vote please? Vice Chair, Ste. 00:01:10
Aye member. 00:01:14
Member Grannis. 00:01:20
Remember Greening? 00:01:22
Chair Anton. 00:01:25
Aye 5 eyes, 0 nays, motion passes. 00:01:26
Thank you. We'll move to item three. Do we have any committee announcements first? 00:01:32
Seeing none, do we have any staff announcements? Yes, we do. 00:01:41
Staff would like to introduce. 00:01:46
The new CD director Karen Vaughn. 00:01:48
She's to my right. 00:01:51
And we. 00:01:55
Good afternoon. Thank you very much. I really look forward to working with the committee. 00:01:57
Thank you. 00:02:03
All right. Item number four, we have council liaison announcements with Mayor Peak. 00:02:07
Thank you for being. 00:02:12
Which extends work for the housing element. 00:02:20
Also we heard from the Monterey Bay Chinese Association. 00:02:45
Proposal to. 00:02:52
Disable in a movie like. 00:02:55
Chinese. 00:02:59
And the council asked them organic public works, they don't take a. 00:03:01
And the. 00:03:09
Made appointments and council approved appointments at our last meeting and thank you all for re upping. I don't recall. I think 00:03:12
it's just about everybody, but perhaps not. 00:03:18
Jennifer So thank you. Thank you for that. And council denied appeals on projects at 270 Central Ave. and 111th and St. 00:03:25
Up at our last meeting and upcoming, we're going to hear recommendations by the city attorney. I'm dealing with hate speech. 00:03:38
During public comment, we're also going to hear an. 00:03:49
That will establish a procedure for adding agenda items to Council's agenda. I expect that once that happens, that will be rolled 00:03:52
down to all the committees, including yours. 00:03:59
There's also boards committee, Commission handbook that was on the agenda last meeting we didn't talk about that ran out of time. 00:04:08
So that will be coming up and we'll also hear a proposal both the ordinance which was introduced in December, proposed ordinance 00:04:17
and now a policy on how to handle council inquiries of staff there. 00:04:27
Interim city manager. 00:04:37
Robert Perrault's been working on a policy on how to enact that, and stay tuned. 00:04:39
Skate park update. 00:04:47
Parklets. 00:04:49
Umm, we should be getting some feedback from the housing and community development on how. 00:04:52
How can we get our housing? 00:05:01
Update. 00:05:04
And of course. 00:05:06
Risks over there with our community development. Thank you very much in advance. 00:05:10
For that. That's it. That's all I have. 00:05:16
Thank you very much. 00:05:18
Thank you always for. 00:05:20
All right. Item number 5, general public comment. We will open in a moment these. 00:05:23
Are for items that are not on our regular agenda, but they must be appropriate for this committee. 00:05:29
So to begin with, do we have anybody in the present audience who would like to speak under general comment? 00:05:36
Seeing none, do we have any virtual speakers? 00:05:46
The next speaker will be 363. 00:05:50
Phone number ending in 363, You may speak. 00:05:59
Phone number ending in 363 You may. 00:06:16
Hello, this is Inga Lorenzen Dymer speaking from the telephone because I cannot get on the zoom meeting. It says the file is not 00:06:22
found and every link you have from everything I have on the city website doesn't work. So if others have gotten on, wonderful, but 00:06:30
something is wrong with it again. 00:06:38
Thank you. 00:06:51
Thank you. 00:06:54
Is there something we could do to? 00:06:55
Unfortunately it is working on it right now. 00:07:01
As soon as they. 00:07:05
Do we have other virtual comment? 00:07:06
We do. 00:07:10
We next speaker will be Lisa C. 00:07:12
Hi please don't start my time yet. I just want to say I've been trying to get in for 10 minutes. 00:07:18
OK and and I only got on because Sandra Candel sent me a link which didn't work, but when I cut and pasted it, it did. 00:07:24
OK. I would like to make a general public comment. Is that where you are? 00:07:33
Yes. 00:07:39
If the addition were not subordinated to the historic structure, the commissioners simply compared the proposed addition to others 00:08:17
in the neighborhood rather than comparing it to the diminutive historic resource in the historic style. That the addition would 00:08:23
overwhelm A peer review by Meg Clovis, making the deficiencies of the phase two report clear was disregarded by the Planning 00:08:30
Commission, but they tried to protect the tree, which was too little too late. They did specify a condition for tribal and 00:08:36
archaeological monitoring. 00:08:42
On the same Planning Commission agenda was a project that didn't even come to HRC for 270 Central Ave. which is on the HRI. I am 00:08:49
totally baffled at how staff could make an over the counter decisions that all the historic windows could be discarded and 00:08:55
replaced with manufactured wood windows with a simple one sentence e-mail confirmation from the building official that all the 00:09:01
windows are too deteriorated to repair. 00:09:08
My husband is a licensed architect and a consultant on the official California Historic Resources Information Systems listing who 00:09:14
meets the qualifications of a professional in the discipline of historic architecture as defined in the Secretary of Interior 00:09:21
Standards. He did not want to trespass, so he couldn't do a close inspection of multiple windows. But when one window on a covered 00:09:29
porch was clearly not overly deteriorated and other windows appeared intact, including an upstairs window open on a sunny day. 00:09:36
HRC has been charged with deleting properties from the HRI that no longer retain their historical integrity and at the same time 00:09:44
the city is making decisions that will degrade properties historical integrity and qualify them for deletion from the. 00:09:51
I hope the new CDD director will provide the necessary training for staff to protect PG's historic resources consistent with the 00:10:00
City's vision statement. Thank you and and I I hope you'll repeat any. 00:10:07
Comments that people have missed. I don't know if everybody's on yet that tried to. 00:10:15
Because, as I say, the only way I got on was by contacting Sandra Kendall, who sent me a link that I could cut and paste. 00:10:21
When we get on. Thank you. 00:10:31
Thank you. 00:10:33
Next speaker will be Anthony Cian. 00:10:39
Thank you. Good afternoon, Commissioners or committee members. 00:10:45
I'm just going to follow up on the comments that my wife, Lisa, just made. 00:10:50
First, regarding 111 tenth. 00:10:55
You your. 00:11:01
Reviewed that project. 00:11:03
And made explicit findings that the project did not. 00:11:05
Comply with the standards. 00:11:11
The City Standards. The Secretary of Interiors. 00:11:15
ETC. 00:11:19
One of those standards was, and one of your recommendations was. 00:11:21
That. 00:11:26
All of the new surfaces. 00:11:28
Of the building. 00:11:31
Should have a disting. 00:11:33
Material on. 00:11:38
They do not. 00:11:40
It was approved with matching Shing. 00:11:42
The roofing was matching, the window details were matching. It's just like hard to understand. 00:11:46
How the Planning Commission could just go along with that. It's really hard to understand if your staff is trained and has 00:11:57
knowledge in this stuff, how they can recommend to the Planning Commission that that's OK. 00:12:04
It is not OK. 00:12:12
Furthermore, that particular. 00:12:15
Is a storybook cottage Storybook being in a a type and style a particular genre within? 00:12:18
The arts and crafts. 00:12:26
And so it's diminished. 00:12:29
Its scale is. 00:12:32
You open the front door and you're right underneath the eve of the building. 00:12:34
All of the elements of of Storybook. 00:12:40
Fairy tale architecture, whatever you want to call it, apply there. So the addition is particularly overwhelming because it's 00:12:43
scaled at a bigger scale. 00:12:49
The other one at the original. 00:12:55
As far as. 00:12:58
270 Central Ave. OH. 00:12:59
I could stand on the street because the porch is very close. It's like maybe 6 feet away from the window. That's undercover out of 00:13:04
the weather. 00:13:09
I've done this for over 50 years. I've written particular reports. I've taught courses on this I've taken courses on. 00:13:16
How do you evaluate windows? It's a systematic review, window by window. 00:13:25
Staff didn't do it. How they could take away your authority is beyond me. And you know what? 00:13:33
Lisa's right. 00:13:40
It won't qualify to be at the remain on the HRI and I don't. 00:13:42
111. 00:13:48
Thank you for your listening. 00:13:50
Thank you. 00:13:55
I see no other hands raised. 00:14:00
All right, I'm going to close. Public, general, public. 00:14:02
Which brings us down. 00:14:06
We do have some written comments which were in your. 00:14:08
We move to the consent agenda. Is there anybody? 00:14:16
Here that would like to remove an item from the consent. 00:14:19
Is there anybody from the public that would like to remove an item from the consent agenda? 00:14:29
Or the virtual. 00:14:37
I see no hands. 00:14:40
All right then. May we have a motion to approve the the consent agenda, please? 00:14:43
I move. We approve the consent agenda. 00:14:49
Greetings, I seconded. Grant a second. 00:14:52
Thank you. Can we have a roll call vote please member? 00:14:57
Aye, Member GR. 00:15:01
Member Bickett A. 00:15:05
Vice chair steers. 00:15:08
Chair An. 00:15:11
Aye 5 aye's zero nays, motion passes. 00:15:13
Thank you. That moves us to item 8, which is our public hearing category and we will begin with. 00:15:20
Item 8A The historic determination for 420 Lakhi Court Day. 00:15:29
And we have a staff report from Mr. 00:15:35
Yes, we do. 00:15:39
Good afternoon, Chair Anton and Committee members. The property under consideration or addition to the HRI is located at 420 00:15:41
Lakaya Corte in the R1B4 Zoning District of the Pacific Grove of Sylmar Dunes. 00:15:49
The property is a 27,713 square foot interior lot. 00:15:56
South of Pico Ave. at the terminus of the Lakaya Corte cul-de-sac. 00:16:02
The site is currently developed with the historic Chinese Tea House, approximately 1628 square feet. 00:16:08
Built circa 1925 to 1926. 00:16:16
A non conforming carport and a boardwalk providing a pathway from the carport to the teahouse. 00:16:21
While the property contains a historic. 00:16:27
The property is not listed on the city's Historical Resources inventory. 00:16:31
The applicant. 00:16:35
The addition of the property to the HRI due to its historic significance and cultural connection between Pacific Grove. 00:16:37
And the Far East, especially China. 00:16:45
This concludes the staff presentation. I'm available for questions as well as the applic. 00:16:48
Thank you. 00:16:53
And now if the applicant owner. 00:16:54
Agent, you're welcome to speak. 00:16:57
Good afternoon, Chair Anton, members of the Historic Resources Committee. My name is Angus Jeffers. I'm here on behalf of the 00:17:35
applicants, John Hodge and Stacy care. Today I'm also joined by our project historian, Ken Seavy and our project architect Hunter 00:17:40
Eldridge. 00:17:44
Well, Mr. McCown is getting the our exhibit slides. 00:17:50
I just thought I would mention that the first item here on the agenda is the determination of the historical significance of the 00:17:57
Tea House. And I'd like to have Ken Seavy cover the brunt of that presentation and then return to cover the next item, which is 00:18:03
the proposed project which includes rehabilitation of the Tea House. 00:18:09
Madam Chair and committee members can't see the historic preservation consultant certified by the State of California. 00:18:28
And I would like to briefly give you from our earlier discussion. 00:18:36
On the property some information. 00:18:42
Is correct and has been that is that historically these spaces were comparable to our own corner bars. 00:18:45
As a space that bridged public and private life, the Tea House allowed strangers to engage and exchange ideas and relative 00:18:53
freedom. 00:18:57
The decor, actually the tee officers arrested from the crowd. 00:19:03
The decor of the Tea House was cultural, not religious. 00:19:09
And generally reflected commonly accepted symbols of peace and harmony and whatever the design control the owner of the tea house 00:19:15
wanted to put up. 00:19:20
Its physical orientation was defined by location, especially in urban locations. So the idea of some religious orientation 00:19:27
relative to a sect. 00:19:34
Or alike was not taken into consideration. For the most part, the location of the Hannah Tea House was probably determined. 00:19:41
By. 00:19:49
Through a see, Lamar, if any of you can imagine. 00:19:51
Getting that built, Coming up over Pico. 00:19:55
Not so. And it was built while the C Lamar was under construction. 00:19:58
So that worked out very. 00:20:04
It was used by the Oakland based family when he, a cousin of the original owners and her son as a residence from 40 to probably 00:20:07
when it was sold in 1950. They used a ladder to go up to the second floor. 00:20:14
So it was essentially a summer house that was barren for a long period of time and then emptied. 00:20:22
The landscape context for the tea. 00:20:31
Is its juxtaposition between the sand dunes. 00:20:34
And the copes of wood immediately southeast of the feature the trees proposed for removal. 00:20:40
Are either dead or dise. 00:20:47
And if you look at it, you'll see they're out of significant. 00:20:50
With the site itself up on the. 00:20:54
Any questions you have of me please, I'm here to answer them if I might. 00:20:58
Are you finished right now? 00:21:07
Does anybody have any questions at the moment? 00:21:09
Let me do one thing in terms of that orientation. 00:21:12
In this instance. 00:21:17
And it'll get in the next one probably too, but in this instance you'll remember we're going to remove a non historic feature from 00:21:19
the building. 00:21:23
So there's already construction beyond that, the idea of this in relation to the problems that the county spoke about damaging to 00:21:27
historic properties. 00:21:32
We would like to see that building seen by the people that are seeing Lamar to some extent. 00:21:38
As a part of our Chinese heritage and interestingly enough, El Marie is going to be rewarded with her own pagoda. 00:21:45
Somewhere, one of these days soon, either in her park or some other part of town. 00:21:55
But the idea of being able to see historic properties and understand their value. 00:22:00
Perhaps would do more to protect the built historic fabric of Pacific Rd. 00:22:06
Thank you. 00:22:14
Thank you. 00:22:15
Now, is anybody else wishing to speak from? 00:22:18
Your perspective there? 00:22:22
You're finished. 00:22:25
Yes, correct. Just being sure. 00:22:28
OK. At this point then I will open to public comment and again we're we're dealing with the historic determination for 420 La 00:22:30
Calle Corte. 00:22:35
Do we have any public comment? Do we have any public comment present? 00:22:41
If you wish to speak, we'd like you to come up to the mic. 00:22:45
Sir. 00:22:53
My name is Gadi Meyer. I live adjacent to the property, but I'm apologize I don't know the protocol whether. 00:22:57
My comments are on about the historic or about the general. 00:23:14
With the second item with the architectural permit. So right now we're on that historic part of it. My comments are are for 00:23:19
example, I could ask you a question. 00:23:23
The house used to have a. 00:23:28
Always. 00:23:31
Until the new construction where everything's brown. 00:23:33
So it looked very Chinese. 00:23:37
Now it doesn't work and so that's AI. Don't know is that architectural or is. 00:23:38
A little bit of both. 00:23:45
Is that a question you have though? It's it's just a comment. I'm trying to use it to clarify where I should properly inject my 00:23:47
comments, but I if it's easier just to make my comments and you guys decide where they fall, then I'm happy to do that also. 00:23:54
I apologize, I just don't know agenda. What I have to say about the property fits properly. 00:24:02
If you just have a comment then we will hear your. 00:24:09
And. 00:24:13
And we'll get to it. There's a great story about that. But you know, if you don't know exactly the prayer, you just say ABCD and 00:24:16
then God, God put it together. So it's proper. We're going to kind of go that route. 00:24:22
OK. Apologize to everybody if that's so my comments are about. 00:24:28
Beyond just the historic determination, but about access and building, and address some of the comments about how the house was 00:24:35
built originally. 00:24:39
And the plans? 00:24:43
Expanded building. 00:24:45
I think that can hold till the next. 00:24:46
Art. OK, thanks. 00:24:49
Thank you. 00:24:51
Any other anybody else in the audience? No do any virtual comments? 00:24:54
The next speaker will be Lisa. 00:25:00
Thank you. 00:25:05
I I don't know if you had a chance to read my letter this morning, but. 00:25:07
In any case, I'm really glad to see it on the agenda to add the haunted Chinese Tea House to the HRI, and I urge you to approve it 00:25:12
based on all the documentation of its significance and historic integrity. 00:25:20
I'm not 100% clear on whether. 00:25:29
The. 00:25:34
On the next project and. 00:25:37
And and can CV are supporting putting it on the HRI but. 00:25:40
In any case. 00:25:48
I think this action should be immediately considered for every. 00:25:51
Property that comes before HRC or ARB that has a phase one report finding it eligible for the HRI and the Chinese Tea House it, 00:25:56
you know, is a particularly important property. It's a it's very unfortunate that the listing on the HRI seems to be proposed for 00:26:03
the Chinese Tea House only in order to. 00:26:10
Move the building. It's really quite confusing. I don't think we've been given the appropriate information. 00:26:19
So moving the building, changing its orientation and location and. 00:26:29
Perhaps providing a metal roof, although I spoke to Garrett from the county yesterday and he says that's not happening. 00:26:34
Let's see it. 00:26:43
Neither. Let's let's. 00:26:46
In but in conclusion, I strongly agree that the Chinese Tea House, properly property qualifies for the HRI and I urge you to add 00:26:50
it. And I request that you recommend that the photographs and comments of former chair Nancy Runyon. 00:26:59
The Allied Area Preservationists and the Comments of the. 00:27:09
A map board be included as an addendum to the. 00:27:16
To the DPR. 00:27:20
Yeah, I I hope that you've seen enough. 00:27:24
Evidence to to. 00:27:29
Qualify this for the HRI. Thank you. 00:27:31
Thank you. 00:27:35
The next speaker will be Anthony. 00:27:47
Thank you very. 00:27:54
And again, good. 00:27:56
I agree that. 00:27:59
The property the site. 00:28:03
And the building. 00:28:06
All qualified for being listed on the HR. 00:28:09
I think what's really important to keep in mind. 00:28:14
How this property? 00:28:17
Cited how the building is cited. 00:28:21
And that. 00:28:25
It can be seen from the street and. 00:28:27
Looking up this delightful little boardwalk? 00:28:31
Do you look down that board? 00:28:35
It becomes part of. 00:28:38
Framed and bracketed by two Monterey Cypress trees up near the street. 00:28:41
You look down this board. 00:28:47
And that perspective. 00:28:50
To the. 00:28:51
And from Sunset Drive. 00:28:54
There are several locations where you're looking over the four. 00:28:58
Mean meaning the ones near the. 00:29:03
And as they progress into the distance you can see nestled in the trees. 00:29:06
In a Swale in the. 00:29:13
This delightful. 00:29:16
That's the way it is. 00:29:19
I'm not sure what evidence there is building. 00:29:24
Somehow. 00:29:28
Through the. 00:29:29
Mr. Seave. 00:29:32
From a. 00:29:36
I don't know if there's any factual evidence, empirical evidence of that. 00:29:38
Nevertheless. 00:29:43
I think the historical appreciation of this building. 00:29:45
From the public's point of view. 00:29:48
Is going to be from the street. 00:29:51
As it. 00:29:53
And from sunset, yes, you can go onto a Salam. 00:29:54
You can look down from the parking lot. 00:29:59
I think that's fairly insignificant. 00:30:01
Uh, relative the general public the notion of moving it to make it better seen from a parking lot. 00:30:04
Really doesn't make a lot of sense. 00:30:12
But that will be the subject of the next discussion. 00:30:14
The other. 00:30:18
Of the significance of this property. 00:30:20
Is the entire. 00:30:24
So when you look at the Secretary of Interior standards. 00:30:26
That. 00:30:30
Bulletins 15 and 16, etcetera. 00:30:32
You look at the entire. 00:30:36
And you look at the landscaping. 00:30:38
There is an open space. 00:30:41
That. 00:30:45
Accepted was an offer to dedicate an easement. 00:30:47
By the state coastal concerns. 00:30:50
And that is to. 00:30:53
The natural qualities of the sand Dun. 00:30:55
And this building. 00:30:58
So please designate it with that context. Thank you very much. 00:31:01
Thank you. 00:31:06
The next speaker will be Inga Lorenzen D. 00:31:13
Thank you. 00:31:21
Of course this should be on the. 00:31:23
And I guess I'm gonna thank the chair for finally allowing one to be added, and I gather that was simply because this project. 00:31:26
Wanted to put it on there. I don't know. We've had others that should be on that. We've not been allowed to make additions to the 00:31:36
HR I so I'm very glad that this one will be. 00:31:43
Able to be added to it. 00:31:50
And I think that the sighting is very important. 00:31:55
As Mr. Chiani said before. 00:31:59
And as. 00:32:03
The historian. 00:32:05
Perhaps it would. 00:32:07
To be able to be seen from elsewhere, yeah, well, perhaps it needs to remain just. 00:32:10
Where it is because that is part of the historicity. 00:32:18
So I strongly encourage you to put it on the. 00:32:24
HRI It needs to be there and it needs protections. 00:32:29
Thank you very much. 00:32:34
Thank you. 00:32:37
I see no other hands raised. 00:32:43
All right. Thank you. We'll close by the comment, bring it back for discussion. 00:32:45
Who would like to? 00:32:50
Our issue is. 00:32:53
Whether to put it on the. 00:32:55
I'm in favor of putting it on the HRI. I think it makes a lot of the criteria. It follows along the criteria and I think we should 00:32:57
do it. 00:33:00
Is that is she on the? 00:33:04
I'm not hearing it the way I usually do. 00:33:07
Thank you others comments. 00:33:12
Completely. 00:33:17
I don't. I don't think there's any question. It should be on the. 00:33:19
I agree it should be on the HRI. 00:33:26
Yes, I agree. 00:33:29
And I I agree I was interested in the the 2 letters that were included from the Heritage Society suggesting that beyond the HRI 00:33:32
and. 00:33:37
Kind of at the. 00:33:43
One from a group of people in 2006 and another from Paul Finnegan. 00:33:45
In 2003. 00:33:52
And I I guess I'm wondering what happened then. Why didn't it get? 00:33:54
Put on but I don't. I don't know the answer and it's not important. 00:33:59
I am in favor of adding it. 00:34:03
Historic resources Inventory, So with. 00:34:07
May we have. 00:34:10
I'll move. 00:34:14
Added to the historic. 00:34:16
A second. 00:34:19
Sears motion. 00:34:24
Who wants whose turn is? 00:34:26
I second it. 00:34:31
Second, maybe we have a roll call vote please. 00:34:33
Vice chair. 00:34:36
Aye, member Pickett. 00:34:37
Member Grannis. 00:34:41
Member Greening. 00:34:44
Chair. 00:34:47
Aye 5 eyes, 0 nays, motion passes. 00:34:48
If only everything were that. 00:34:55
All right, that brings us now to the next. 00:35:00
Which would be. 00:35:04
This 8B Am I correct? 00:35:06
And. 00:35:09
Is regarding the architectural permit, the use permit and variance for the same address 420 La Calle corte. 00:35:12
And we have a staff report and I believe the staff report will be she's right here from Dara Sanders. 00:35:19
And she will be giving the. 00:35:27
Can can we make her bigger? 00:35:29
On the screen. 00:35:32
Thank you, Chair Anton Garrett, can you stop sharing your screen so that I can share my presentation? 00:35:36
One second here. 00:35:46
Thank you. Thank you, Chair. Anton, I do have a PowerPoint presentation that I'd like to. 00:36:02
Gives as opening remarks and an overview of the project. 00:36:08
Just going to tee up my presentation here. 00:36:15
Move into presentation mode. 00:36:19
All right. Can everyone see the presentation? OK. 00:36:25
OK, so I'm presenting the Item 8B, which is the development proposal for 4/20 Lakaya Cortez. 00:36:29
The project proposal includes rehabilitation of an existing historic tea house that we've discussed in a previous item. 00:36:40
I'm relocating it on the property. 00:36:48
It also includes the construction of a new two-story single family home. 00:36:50
That would be attached to the historic. 00:36:58
As here. 00:37:00
And it would also include converting a non conforming and deteriorating carport into a detached garage. 00:37:02
Associated with the proposal are also also two special requests. 00:37:12
One use permit and a variance. The use permit is to allow for the ornamentation of the tea house to extend. 00:37:18
Above the 25 foot height limit. 00:37:26
And to modify the non conforming carport into a GAR. 00:37:28
The variances to allow for the tea house and the home to encroach into a side set back. 00:37:34
Here. 00:37:41
And I'll go into more detail on those pieces later in my presentation. 00:37:43
The project site is approximately. It's a little more than 1/2 an. 00:37:49
Basically located at 420 Lakaya Corte at the end of the Lakaya Quart. 00:37:53
Cul-de-sac The property is zoned R184 and has a land use designation of low density. 00:37:58
The project is located in the Asilamar Dunes in the city's coastal zone. 00:38:06
And in an archaeological the sensitive area and environmentally sensitive, sensitive sensitive habitat area. 00:38:13
Of the city's local coastal program. 00:38:22
In 1984, the Planning Commission previously acted on the property, granting A variance request. 00:38:24
To reduce the rear, set back to allow for the the current location of the tea house. 00:38:32
And to allow for the the construction of a garage in the front set back here. 00:38:39
The surrounding properties are mostly single family homes with an eclectic mix of styles. One common element, though, is that the 00:38:51
garage or carport placement tends to be close to the street. 00:38:57
The only exception to the surrounding land uses is this is the retreat property to the South of the subject property which is 00:39:04
developed with surface parking lots, several buildings and and various Amen. 00:39:10
Existing development on the site includes the historic Tea House, which is located here at the rear of the site, circled in red. 00:39:19
It also includes the non conforming. 00:39:28
Carport here at the front of the lot. 00:39:32
I think we've heard some public comment with regard to the boardwalk that provides access from the street and the carport. 00:39:35
To the Tea house where it is currently located. 00:39:43
And a majority of the property is encumbered by a permanent conservation easement. 00:39:46
Which is generally shown in yellow. 00:39:52
That conservation easement is held by the state Coastal Conservancy, and I'll provide more feedback. 00:39:55
From from the Conservancy later in my presentation. 00:40:02
The Tea House was constructed around 1925 as a two-story wood frame structure with. 00:40:07
Wood board and batten cladding and a saddle roof. 00:40:15
With ornamentation. 00:40:19
An addition was constructed to that tea house around 1950 with similar materials. 00:40:21
The applicant proposes to rehabilitate the historically significant structure. 00:40:27
By returning the historic building to its original 1925 appearance by removing the non historic additions. 00:40:32
Rotate and relocate. 00:40:40
The structure on the site and. 00:40:43
Mostly out of the rear set. 00:40:46
And add a new concrete foundation that meets current building code requirements for the long term preservation of the structure. 00:40:48
The applicant also has proposed to also previously proposed to replace. 00:40:55
The non historic asphalt shingle roof with a new copper roof as reflected in the staff report. That proposal was was withdrawn 00:41:02
recently since this was left presented to the HRC. 00:41:08
And the T Health will keep the current roofing materials. 00:41:14
The applicants phase two Historic Resource Assessment found that the proposed work is consistent with the Secretary of Interior 00:41:19
standards. 00:41:22
That phase two was peer reviewed on behalf of the city by Rincon historian and architectural historian, and Rincon concurred with 00:41:26
the findings of the assessment. 00:41:32
Finally, the Lamar Dunes residential area and the R1 zoning district have a height limit of 25 feet. 00:41:39
As a result of constructing that new code compliant foundation for the long term preservation of the tea house. 00:41:47
A portion of the ornamentation of the roof projects above the 25 foot height limit, and I'll expand on that a little bit more 00:41:54
later in my presentation. 00:41:59
The image on the left hand side shows this shows the current location of the tea house. So you can see the additions are the non 00:42:05
historic additions are are generally shown here and they approach in that rear set back which is follows approximately this line 00:42:11
here. 00:42:17
The image on the right hand side shows the rotated and relocated tea house. 00:42:26
And so it's generally located here reoriented shifted on the site slightly and and. 00:42:32
Encroaching into the side set back. 00:42:43
The renderings on this slide give us an idea of what the Tea House will look like. 00:42:48
Once the non historic editions are removed. 00:42:52
The applicant also proposes to construct a new two-story single family home containing more than 2000 square feet and is proposed 00:42:58
to be attached to the tea house by a bridge. 00:43:05
The single family home is designed in the contemporary style to differentiate it. 00:43:12
From the the tea house, so differentiating new from old with a large glass curtain wall on the West facade, a vertical wooden 00:43:17
screen wall for the majority of the wall surfaces, and a flat roof. 00:43:24
While the home has been designed with clear differentiation from the historic building, the vertical articulation. 00:43:34
Of the screen walls and the window proportions on the north, east and West walls of the new T of the new home are like that of the 00:43:42
of the tea house. 00:43:46
The bridge connecting the residents to the tea house is proposed to include some similar materials here as a transition between 00:43:54
the old and the new. 00:43:59
The glass railing for the bridge connection is intended. 00:44:04
To provide maximum transparency and minimize its visibility. 00:44:10
The image in this slide illustrates what the the east side of the tea house and home would look like, where they encroach into the 00:44:18
side set back. 00:44:22
The applicants phase two also accept the consistency of the proposed home with the Secretary of Interior standards. 00:44:27
And determined that the proposed work. 00:44:34
It would be. 00:44:36
Rincon, again on behalf of the city, peer reviewed those findings in the phase two and concurred. 00:44:38
The proposal includes converting the existing carport into a garage. The the garage is proposed to be constructed in the same 00:44:47
location. 00:44:51
And within the same footprint as the deteriorating carport which is a requirement of the zoning code in this particular instance. 00:44:56
The existing carport was required to be constructed as a condition of the Planning Commission's approval of the variances in 1984. 00:45:05
So in order to obtain the variances and get approval for a lot line adjustment between 4:20 and 4:21 Lakaya Corte. 00:45:15
The Planning Commission required the athlete or the property owner to construct covered parking. 00:45:26
In in the current location of the carport. The Street View of the carport does show that the the the structure has. 00:45:34
Significance or design connection with the Tea House? 00:45:42
And it's deteriorating condition. 00:45:46
The garage is designed with the same screen wall materials proposed for the new single family home and a flat roof. 00:45:51
So it is differentiated from the historic tea house, but does have. 00:45:58
Common design elements. 00:46:02
The proposed new home. 00:46:04
As mentioned previously, the Tea House requires approval of A use permit to allow for. 00:46:07
The roof ornamentation to. 00:46:13
The 25 foot height limit. 00:46:17
The image on the left shows the limit, the limited ornamentation that would extend. 00:46:19
Above the height limit, the approval would not include this portion of the roof that extends beyond. 00:46:25
25 feet, which would require a slight modification of the project. 00:46:32
To bring that portion of the route in compliance with the height limitation. 00:46:37
The carport to garage conversion also requires the use permit because the carport is non conforming right it it encroaches into 00:46:44
the rear set back. However that was a requirement of the Planning Commission. 00:46:50
It also encroaches into the side set back based on. 00:46:56
Based on records. 00:47:00
That staff has at this time. 00:47:03
The site set back was. 00:47:06
Less than it is today and that's why the carport is considered non conforming. 00:47:07
The significance of of keeping the the. 00:47:14
Garage and the same footprint as the carport is related to the local coastal program requirements. 00:47:19
If the building is non conforming and cannot be brought into conformance with the current requirements, new work must occur. 00:47:26
Within the same building footprint or or coverage? 00:47:34
And the zoning ordinance requires that anytime someone proposes to do work, modify. 00:47:38
Umm. Or alter a non conforming structure. They must first obtain A use permit. 00:47:46
So staff is asking for the HR CS recommendation. 00:47:51
On these aspects of the proposal because they are directly associated with the design of the project. 00:47:55
I touched on the Planning Commission's previous variances for the property, which included. 00:48:01
The rear set back variance that reduced the set back from approximately 20 feet to about 5 feet. 00:48:06
And then the front set back variance. 00:48:14
The applicant proposes to expand the rear set back. 00:48:17
By pulling the tea house out of the majority of that set back. 00:48:23
Bringing the project closer to conformance with the rear set back requirements of other. 00:48:29
Properties in the district, but, as shown, the applicant also proposes to. 00:48:34
Reduce the side set back for the east side. 00:48:43
Approximately 4 feet for the single family home, 3 1/2 feet. 00:48:48
For the existing. 00:48:52
As you can see in this exhibit, the site set back encroachments would be limited to the northeast corners of the home and the tea 00:48:56
house. 00:49:00
This would not result in the entire site set back being. 00:49:06
And again, staff is asking for the HRC. 00:49:10
Recommendation on the requested set back variance because it's directly associated. 00:49:14
With the proposal for the tea house and the new attached. 00:49:19
The applicant proposes to remove 3 trees due to their condition, not as a result of the proposed development on the property 1 00:49:23
Monterey pine. 00:49:28
Here. 00:49:35
Has been found to be in very poor condition. Its trunk has ruptured and is in decay. 00:49:37
A portion of the trunk is laying on the ground. 00:49:43
There are also two live oaks here to the South of the proposed home. 00:49:46
That are also in poor and very poor condition. The applicants arborist has documented stem decay and fungus extensive fetal 00:49:52
damage. 00:49:56
And dying. 00:50:01
Here's an image of the pine. 00:50:03
And here's an image of the two oak trees taken from the applicants arborist report. 00:50:07
Due to the sensitivity of the property construction, access is proposed along an existing access easement where the boardwalk is. 00:50:14
This access easement is currently held by the state California State Postal Conservancy. Excuse me. 00:50:24
And the applicant team has coordinated with the Conservancy for approval of the temporary use of this access easement for 00:50:32
construction access. 00:50:36
And the applicant team is working through some last some final documentation. 00:50:41
For the Conservancy's consideration. 00:50:49
To allow for that construction access. 00:50:53
Based on the city's review of the project, including the contract to start preservation professionals. 00:50:57
With rank on staff finds that the project meets the majority of the city's residential design guidelines. 00:51:02
For the new home. 00:51:08
And meets the city's objectives for work being performed on historic buildings. 00:51:09
The the proposed work. 00:51:15
To ensure the long term preservation of the historic teahouse is also consistent with the city's policies and. 00:51:19
And we find that the new home is well designed to respond to the existing conditions of the property and the Tea House materials 00:51:27
and design. 00:51:31
Staff supports the use permit requested for the tea house roof ornamentation in the garage. 00:51:36
Permitting the tea house ornamentation to extend beyond the 25 feet does not create a. 00:51:42
Obstruction for the surrounding properties are a danger to the public or. 00:51:47
Permitting the the carport to be converted into a garage is consistent with the surrounding character. 00:51:51
It would not create a sight distance issue or threaten the health and safety of the public, and it would allow the property to 00:51:57
maintain. 00:52:02
Compliance with the Planning Commission's 1984 decision and conditions. 00:52:06
And finally, Steph also supports the proposed variance. While the proposal would result in new set back encroachments, it would 00:52:11
also reduce the overall. 00:52:16
Area of Set back encroachments by pulling that tea house out. 00:52:22
Out of the majority of their beer. 00:52:27
During the HRC's oh sorry, yes for the for the HR CS deliberation and discussion, staff is requesting feedback on the 00:52:32
appropriateness of the proposed tea house rehabilitation and the associated roof associated Use permit for the roof ornamentation. 00:52:42
The appropriateness of the new home design and relationship to the Tea House. 00:52:51
The appropriateness of the use permit to allow for the carport conversion. 00:52:56
And the appropriateness of the proposed set back Vari. 00:53:00
And then finally before concluding my presentation. 00:53:05
UMM staff would like to report on public comments we've received related to the proposed project and for the ISM and D prepared 00:53:09
for the project. 00:53:13
Death had passed along the public comments related to the. 00:53:18
And the proposed. 00:53:22
And the applicant team will address some of the the public's points in their presentation. 00:53:25
Several of the comments that we received, though, were related to the ISM ND and some of those comments related to the ISM and D 00:53:29
were received outside of the public comment period. 00:53:36
That is MND. The environmental review document does fall under the purview of the Planning Commission. Therefore, staff will pass 00:53:43
along all ISMND public comments to the Planning Commission during their consideration of the project and will provide responses to 00:53:48
some of the comments. 00:53:53
In that Planning Commission staff report. 00:53:59
That concludes my presentation. I can answer any questions that you might have. 00:54:01
Thank you, Dora. And Dora has a time commitment here. So if anybody has questions from. 00:54:08
Appeared to Dara. We'd have to ask her right now. 00:54:15
I think there'll be opportunities for for the other men in a little bit. 00:54:19
Anybody have a specifically question for? 00:54:23
I don't. I think it was. 00:54:27
Very clear and. 00:54:30
Presentation. 00:54:33
All right, Dara, thank you very much. 00:54:37
And we'll now. 00:54:39
From the applicant slash owner. 00:54:42
Attorney and I'm not sure how you guys are organized. 00:54:45
We're welcome to hear from you again. 00:54:50
Chair Anton Angus Jeffers again back with Ken Seavy and Hunter Eldridge. Quick question. Can I reserve a portion of my 10 minutes 00:55:28
for rebuttal? 00:55:33
Assuming that there are public. 00:55:37
After you're here. 00:55:42
Well, chances are we will have questions from you after public comment. So fantastic indirectly that the answer is yes. OK. Thank 00:55:43
you very much. I'll do my best not to repeat Dora's presentation of of this project. 00:55:51
Things I do want to highlight is that about half the project is subject to a existing conservation easement. 00:56:00
And that does preserve the highest value prior dunes habitat in the property, but not all the high value dune habitat. And this 00:56:09
project does propose that everything beyond the proposed house and the outdoor official landscaping area would be put in the 00:56:16
conservation easement, expanding that easement by about 64%. 00:56:23
From 13,650 square feet to 22,489 square feet, it would also. 00:56:30
Implement Tom Mosses updated dune restoration plan. It goes further than the existing dune restoration plan in that it requires 00:56:40
removal of ice plant outside of the current easement area and also Tom is particularly concerned about non-native lupins that are 00:56:46
crossbreeding with our native tide streams Lupin and and he wants those non natives out and we've told TomTom go to town. 00:56:53
Do whatever you can to, you know, make this an example of how the regulations and doing habitat should be implemented. 00:57:01
One thing I wanted to mention about this property just historically, is that it was somewhat related to some hasty planning going 00:57:09
back to the records. Back in the 1980s, the there was a subdivision proposed for the two adjacent states, and at the last minute 00:57:17
coastal staff objected to the creation of a vacant parcel. 00:57:24
And so very much shoehorned was an adjustment to that subdivision to put the tea house on its own parcel. And then variances were 00:57:32
quickly shoehorned to make that work. And that included the variances for the tea house being in the rear set back the carport and 00:57:38
the boardwalk. 00:57:44
And this is made, uh, quite a challenge for Hunter. He's working in the most regulated area of the Central Coast, definitely in in 00:57:52
Pacific Row. Being in the dunes habitat. He's got an historic structure, let you know by chance is located in the middle of the 00:57:58
available building envelope. 00:58:05
And he's got this structure is already non conforming because it's in our setbacks and he's designed this project. He's found a 00:58:13
way to allow the owners to have a contemporary modern residential wing. 00:58:21
While also creating an architectural hyphen through that bridge and walkway to the Tea House, giving us also the opportunity to 00:58:30
embrace the the Tea House and its historical significance, to peel away its. 00:58:36
Non conforming elements that deck the back 1953 edition and that chimney. 00:58:43
While also giving it a modern foundation so we can raise the wood elements outside of the sand dunes, avoiding further pest 00:58:50
infestation that does by chance give us a much better exposure from a Sylmar State Park. And I've been there. I've been at that 00:58:57
parking lot below the two-story residence you can get right up there and see it. This will improve that perspective. 00:59:04
And. 00:59:12
I believe that you know he's fulfilled that that challenge despite all these constraints. 00:59:15
Another aspect of the rehabilitation, and I consider this first and foremost, is we want to give the Tea House a vital purpose, 00:59:23
that is that is maintained as a warm residence for the next 100 years. Non use is the greatest risk that I see to our local 00:59:31
historic resources. Examples include the Neutra House upon Signal Hill which is under active threat under quote UN quote neglect. 00:59:39
We've also got the risk of losing the original Community Hospital building along Hwy. 1. It's a beautiful 1920s Gardner Daily. 00:59:47
Mediterranean, but without a life. These buildings get cold, they get deteriorated, The mold, everything sets in. 00:59:55
And we want to avoid that for the tea house. 01:00:02
Other aspects of of this project. 01:00:08
Is we've. 01:00:11
It's a two-story structure, but we've got the benefit. 01:00:13
Of this artificial? 01:00:17
Such that as it lies from Scenic and the Shoreline Trail, it'll appear as a low profile, single story structure silhouette below 01:00:19
an existing Dune and the two-story State Parks, State parks building. 01:00:26
In addition, the comment has been made about, you know, the context of the dune from scenic and the shoreline. 01:00:34
And I would say that you know one that that historic, the context of that view, it's been degraded. We've got the two-story guest 01:00:42
unit complex right behind us. We've got adjacent new structures whose mass thing is far beyond the scale of the original tea house 01:00:48
and even the project that's being proposed. 01:00:55
As Dara mentioned with regards to the tree removals there. 01:01:02
Effectively 3 trees, but it's really just. 01:01:06
I would call pretty much dead pine and the double stemmed oak here, which is suffering from substantial fungal decay. 01:01:10
There are no archaeological resources on the property. In addition is we're seeking to abandon the septic system which is on this 01:01:19
property. 01:01:23
To then route all the utilities under the boardwalk right of way so that impacts on the property are consolidated within that 01:01:28
boardwalk area. 01:01:32
And then I do want to share. 01:01:39
I do want. 01:01:43
Most of my practice for over 20 years has been in the county of Monterey. This is actually my first project here in the city of 01:01:45
Fiji. 01:01:48
And but one of the high points of my work is fairly regularly I get calls from very anxious real estate brokers who have just 01:01:52
found out that the property they're dealing with may be historically significant. 01:01:58
And they're calling me feeling like it's some sort of a death, death sentence. And I do enjoy the fact of walking him down. 01:02:04
Calming them down and assuring them no, it's not. In general you have flexibility to modify the interior. 01:02:11
In general, you have the opportunity of doing additions as long as they are architecturally distinct and hyphenated from the 01:02:19
structure, And in general, as long as the exact location is not historically significant, you can relocate and modify the location 01:02:26
of that historic structure. And that goes a long way to calming down the real estate agents, actually allowing the prospective 01:02:33
buyers to get excited about embracing these structures and through that process. 01:02:40
You know the old Shapleigh estate on Stillwater and Pebble Beach? It goes back to Louis Hobart. And the original Log Cabin E Lodge 01:02:48
had a demolition permit given for lack of a historic integrity. And we had the right buyer who was willing to embrace it and work 01:02:54
with it and give it a new lease on life. 01:03:01
Similarly, we did this to palmy residences or the Esalen Lodge was allowed the county work with us with flexibility so that we 01:03:07
could embrace that structure, restore it, but still provide Esalen with the additional space and floor area they need. There was 01:03:14
another palm E up in Carmel Wood Woods, it was the same thing. 01:03:21
With that structure as well. 01:03:29
And even the Neutra House, we were close. We had a buyer there who wanted some modifications there that the county would have 01:03:31
loved to have seen. Unfortunately, the seller there had no interest in selling it to this prospective buyer. 01:03:37
But we're asking for that degree of flexibility. 01:03:43
Of recognizing that the location of the tea house at this location is not historically significant and that we are keeping it 01:03:48
within the dunes, but with a slight modification which reduces the existing set back encroachments and will provide better 01:03:53
visibility from a Sylmar State Beach. 01:03:58
We share the goal of warming up the tea House as an actively maintained residence for another 100 years. 01:04:05
We want to peel back the non original additions to this structure. 01:04:12
We have not pursued a determination of no longer being historically significant based upon lack of integrity. 01:04:19
And consistent with the guidelines, we're asking to slightly rotate the house and in the effort of allowing the. 01:04:28
Applicants to have a modern It's still a modest home for this neighborhood. 01:04:37
With that, thank you for your time unless there are any questions or. 01:04:43
Left question. Do we have questions? 01:04:48
We've probably. 01:04:51
OK. Thank you. 01:04:52
Thank you. 01:04:55
I just want to thank. 01:05:02
The conservation. 01:05:11
Was the one hard line underst. 01:05:17
The entire project. 01:05:21
And in order to give enough space. 01:05:35
An appropriate resource from the proposed residents. 01:05:42
It really makes sense to slightly adjust the. 01:05:52
You'll see the new location of. 01:06:00
1/4 of it is. 01:06:06
By rotating at. 01:06:12
Conservation. 01:06:25
And obviously. 01:06:35
Thank you. Don't go anywhere. 01:06:51
Hey, we've heard from the applicant, the owner. We've heard the staff report. At this point I'll open to public comment and begin 01:07:02
with. 01:07:06
The gentleman that's present. 01:07:12
Your name Your name, please. 01:07:23
To the applicant or the buyer. So a lot of the concerns that myself and other neighbors had. 01:07:38
Predate anybody buying the property. As soon as the property went on the market, we hired a. 01:07:44
Conservation person a naturalist. 01:07:52
Not Tom Loss and and. 01:07:54
Some of the former chairman person of the Coastal Commission, a land use lawyer. 01:07:58
So we went around and we made very clear, made sure that anybody who bought the property. 01:08:03
Would be completely aware of all the history and the environmental concerns and I'll read from that a moment. So I have kind of 01:08:09
two issues. 01:08:13
One is I just. 01:08:18
And again, I want to emphasize that thing. 01:08:22
As individuals and as professionals did a great job and I appreciate them and they're very nice people. Nothing personal here. 01:08:24
I think what's happened is that this is now gone from being kind of a public. 01:08:31
Historic building to a private historic building that's hidden by the house. 01:08:36
If you look at some of the pictures that Dara put up, all that you see is the roof line of the tea house, which basically so no 01:08:43
one's going to. 01:08:47
Up Sunset or a Pico or up lucky court to see the house anymore. It's that that part is gone. 01:08:51
And I. 01:08:59
As a niche there, I think walking through a solar, marching the back of it. 01:09:01
I suppose it's technically possible. You could walk through all the ice plant and put you and peer through the chain link fence. 01:09:06
I'm not saying that that. I just want to point out that this is now become a private. 01:09:12
Residents is hidden from here. 01:09:17
And the second more important. 01:09:20
Which Dara said she would address but she never specifically addressing, which is I have the question about is the access to 01:09:23
building the place in the 1st place, which is what all the focus of the neighborhood. 01:09:28
Before the house was bought would make sure that anybody understood that they. 01:09:34
The easement and. 01:09:39
Does restrict and I'll read from the easement just so that you understand it. It said that. 01:09:41
Any such? 01:09:51
I'll read from the proposed land division is located in Sylmar Dunes Foundation Formation at the Seaward Extremity of the Monterey 01:09:53
Peninsula. The unusual pure white silicon in this area was firmly stabilized by unique indigenous dune floor. However, only a few 01:10:01
acres of the original approximately 480 acre habitat remain in a native state. The balance of the original habitat has been lost 01:10:08
or severely damaged by mining residential development golf courses. 01:10:16
Etcetera, etcetera. 01:10:24
The plants occurring in this property appear to be part of what may be the largest remaining standard distance. 01:10:25
Of native fauna. 01:10:32
While remnants of a few individuals of a few dozen plants have been found in other properties in the Sylmar areas. 01:10:34
This is immediately adjoining property, so. 01:10:41
Is a very unique property, very unique faun. 01:10:44
And I my concern is about this 10 foot proposed temporary Rd. over a perpetual easement and Dara said that there was some 01:10:48
discussion going on with the conservative Coastal Conservancy. 01:10:53
Which I guess is still ongoing because it hasn't been, but what I've talked to Conservancy, they don't know anything about it. 01:10:59
So I'd like to understand who. 01:11:06
Their talk so we can have a discussion about. 01:11:09
Because I don't understand how it is that we're moving forward with building A. 01:11:12
On a perpetual easement. 01:11:16
Putting a 10 foot. 01:11:18
Road there and nobody understands how that permission is being. 01:11:20
Provided. 01:11:26
All right. Thank you. 01:11:29
I will do our best to address some of those things. 01:11:30
And nobody else? OK, we'll go to Virtual Public. 01:11:36
Next speaker will be Ingle Lawrence and. 01:11:41
Chair and Committee members, It is most unfortunate, but you're going to have a big blank in your closed captioning and recording 01:11:48
because I couldn't hear anything. 01:11:53
When angers, Jeffers was doing his cross talking with you before. 01:11:59
Mr. Gotti spoke and there were no closed captions. Even so, you are not speaking into microphones and they are unidirectional 01:12:05
microphones and possibly the microphones weren't even on during that period. 01:12:13
So just addressing what I understand here, it seems like. 01:12:22
The Putting the Tea House on historic. 01:12:28
And actually the rehabilitation part of it, all of this moving it. 01:12:32
Seems to be it's all an addendum so that they could build their house. 01:12:38
Moving the tea house is not a good idea. 01:12:44
At all, and I do not understand why the foundation has to be so much that. 01:12:48
It has to. 01:12:55
The height limit and have a use permit. 01:12:57
And truly, this historic resource, which it is historic now, seems like it's just an addendum to the House of all We have to do 01:13:02
this, and it's a means to get there. And this property seems to have gone through a whole lot of weird machinations all the way 01:13:09
along. 01:13:15
Even from the water meter bit. 01:13:23
From before. 01:13:25
It was all to get another house there. Well. 01:13:28
That doesn't really preserve the historic resource. 01:13:32
And I'm really sorry to say I don't think. 01:13:37
This deserves use per. 01:13:40
Set back var. 01:13:43
I do not think. I think they could design A house in a different manner and preserve. 01:13:47
The historic TE. 01:13:54
Thank you very much. 01:13:57
Thank you. 01:14:00
Next speaker will be Lisa. 01:14:10
Thank you. I flashed my raised hand all through what I think might have been Hunter Eldridge. 01:14:15
Presentation whoever that was after Angus Jeffers. Or at least I thought that was Angus Jeffers the first time. Anyway, the 01:14:23
microphone was off, so this is very frustrating. Prison hearing. 01:14:30
And I agree with Inga. 01:14:38
And I don't even. 01:14:42
Are are we going to be able to see the house from, excuse me, the tea house from Sunset? It doesn't sound like. 01:14:44
Um, the the. 01:14:52
What's been presented has not been consistent with what's in the agenda report in terms of setbacks and the roof and. 01:14:55
Something else? 01:15:04
Also. 01:15:07
I don't know if there are deed restrictions. 01:15:10
On the restoration that's required, I mean because there's the LCP required restoration, there's deed restrictions on the rest 01:15:14
that that I'm not clear about. I did hear it say that there are no archaeological resources on the property and. 01:15:22
That's that's an absurd statement. 01:15:31
You don't know you did what he. What's meant, I believe, is that the archaeologist didn't find any archaeological resources on a 01:15:35
surface. 01:15:40
Or on a surface investigation or even coring but but I am glad to see that in the permit that there is. 01:15:47
Are both archaeological and tribal monitors will be will be required on site? 01:15:59
During ground disturbance. 01:16:07
But I just have to. 01:16:11
Moving and rotating the historic structure. 01:16:16
That does not. It does not make sense in terms of retaining the the. 01:16:24
Structures historic integrity. 01:16:32
I don't have any confidence in that and and I frankly. 01:16:38
Do not feel that. 01:16:43
This has been. 01:16:45
Accurately or adequately described for for the public to understand and. 01:16:49
Presumably for the for. 01:16:56
I'm sorry, I lost track of my one big point I wanted to make. Presumably for HRC as well. You apparently had a site visit or in in 01:17:00
three different parts which just amounts to a serial. 01:17:07
Meetings of or serial ex parties. The public was not invited, it was not noticed and so. 01:17:15
You've all gotten some special information that the public did not have access to. 01:17:24
Thank you. 01:17:31
Thank you. 01:17:34
Next speaker will be Anthony. 01:17:39
Thank you. Good afternoon again. 01:17:45
Regarding X bar days, aren't you supposed to disclose those before the meeting? 01:17:49
And if you. 01:17:53
Individually met with anybody or discussed the project with anybody, including a site visit, I think that would qualify. 01:17:55
As an ex parte. 01:18:02
I think even though. 01:18:05
Applicant couldn't be heard. 01:18:07
At the end. 01:18:10
During. 01:18:12
10 plus minute present. 01:18:13
Dora Saunders did a great job presenting the applicants project. 01:18:16
I think it's pretty clear. 01:18:21
Based upon. 01:18:25
The story. 01:18:27
Based upon the photographic evidence being able to visit the site. 01:18:29
Based upon all of the. 01:18:33
You will not be able to see. 01:18:35
This. 01:18:38
From sunset you will not be able. 01:18:40
This building from the public right? 01:18:43
Looking down. 01:18:45
Wonderful little boardwalk through the trees. 01:18:47
It'll be behind the new project in. 01:18:50
That means it's going to be subordinated. 01:18:53
According to the design it's presented to you. 01:18:57
And the evidence in front of you, it's going to. 01:19:00
Tucked behind. 01:19:03
And. 01:19:05
Of public view. 01:19:07
The Secretary of Interior. 01:19:11
The new development shall subordinate to the historical. This is just the opposite. 01:19:14
They're going to build a new. 01:19:20
They're going to take this other house, rotate it. 01:19:22
From what I can see 50°. 01:19:24
I think I said 90°. 01:19:27
In my evaluation before that was wrong. 01:19:29
It's going to be about 50 degrees. 50° is a is a big rotation for the building. 01:19:32
Moving. 01:19:39
It is another alteration to the. 01:19:40
Setting for the build. 01:19:46
I don't think you can make a. 01:19:48
This project is going to be. 01:19:50
Comply with the Historic Preservation Stand. 01:19:55
They're the secretary of interiors or your. 01:19:58
I'm going to leave it at that. I don't. I don't think you can make the findings. 01:20:04
I don't think you can make the sequel findings. 01:20:15
And I don't think you can approve the project, so I recommend you deny it. Thank you. 01:20:20
Thank you. 01:20:26
Next speaker will be Nancy Runyan. 01:20:31
Good afternoon, committee members. I'm sorry, I just got home from a job and so I just wanted to make sure that you received my 01:20:38
letter that I sent to you on Monday. 01:20:43
And it's 2 pages long and I hope that you've. 01:20:49
This this is a very important building. I think my grandmother pointed it out to me in the 50s. 01:20:52
And I've loved it ever since. I every time I drive by. 01:20:58
I look for it and and I suggest that when the next time it's painted that it go back to its original red because that's the way it 01:21:01
just looks more traditional. 01:21:05
So thank you very much for considering my. 01:21:10
I do hope that the new owners will. 01:21:14
Take care to preserve this historic asset in a way that it can still be enjoyed by the public from. 01:21:17
Thank you very much. 01:21:24
Thank you. 01:21:27
I see no other hands raised. 01:21:33
All right. I will close public comment. 01:21:36
And bring it back here to our committee for. 01:21:39
Discussion. 01:21:43
A few things to think. 01:21:46
Who would like to speak? I'll go ahead if you. 01:21:50
I think. 01:21:57
This is. 01:22:00
Wonderful. 01:22:02
Fantastic. Exciting. 01:22:04
I think. 01:22:08
He house it's only slightly moved. 01:22:11
And it's necessary to. 01:22:14
Organize everything on this lot because the lot is such a strange, convoluted shape and it has all these setbacks and things like 01:22:18
that. A few. 01:22:23
Encroachments into the setbacks are completely necessary. 01:22:29
And not a problem. 01:22:34
I'm floored by the fact that the new house. 01:22:37
Is. 01:22:42
In a way that is submissive to. 01:22:44
Tea House. 01:22:47
It presents the tea house as the main object of your attention. 01:22:49
Makes it more beautiful than it already. 01:22:55
I'm completely in favor of this. 01:23:00
Who else would like to speak? 01:23:08
Yes, I was impressed with the design because. 01:23:13
A lot of the surrounding buildings are high on the the. 01:23:17
And they have extremely high. This one just fits into the. 01:23:21
And so. 01:23:25
To me it does. 01:23:26
It's about as. 01:23:28
Innovative as it can. 01:23:31
Combined with the tea house. 01:23:33
Just sitting down low, whereas they probably could have gone up. 01:23:36
I like the design. I understand that you have to. 01:23:41
Because of the constricted amount of land. 01:23:46
There's probably not another way. 01:23:50
To, you know, connect with the tea house. I'm sure they didn't do it unless they had to. 01:23:52
Was the only way they could use it as part of their building. 01:23:58
Yeah. 01:24:03
You know, I know it's difficult now. It's a historic property. I'm just delighted somebody's going to live. 01:24:08
And bring it up. 01:24:14
A good condition, An original. 01:24:16
So I I would. 01:24:19
That's how I feel about it. 01:24:25
Thank you. 01:24:28
I have a big different ideas about the project. I think that moving the team house, you're going to lose sight of the team house 01:24:30
from sunset. You can currently see it, not a lot of it because there's a huge dune in front of it, but you can see it from sunset 01:24:35
and that will disappear. 01:24:41
I think. 01:24:48
Limit the height could be reduced by not putting in a 2 foot foundation, but reducing the height of the foundation. 01:24:50
And the applicant proposes to rehabilitate the historically significant structure. 01:24:58
And after reviewing the plaque and the Secretary of Interior standards, my findings are that. 01:25:05
And then the, to quote the Secretary of Interior, standards in hand and all of the guidance is the concept that in addition needs 01:25:11
to be subliminal to the historic. 01:25:16
And also in accordance with Standard 9 and new additional must preserve the historic buildings form envelope. Significant 01:25:21
materials and features must be compatible. 01:25:27
With the historic buildings massing size, scale and architectural features etc. And again, I just don't find that with the 01:25:33
proposed addition. 01:25:38
Well, my main thing too would be moving. And I understand that if it's moved, it could never. Right now it could be on the 01:25:49
California registry, but if it's moved, my understanding is that that will never happen. 01:25:55
I'm also not being able to see it from sunset. I drove around, that's where I saw it and it it it does stand out. So as far as the 01:26:02
house and with the tea house together, I I do think that that's. 01:26:09
Done very well and I have no. 01:26:17
No problem with that. 01:26:22
But it's the main thing for me of moving, moving. 01:26:25
The tea house. 01:26:29
I'd like to add address Mr. CB with that. 01:26:33
If you come. 01:26:37
And I'm thinking about, as we walk around Pacific Grove, the number of houses that have been moved from point A to point B. 01:26:40
Does that. 01:26:47
Do they then lose their historic integrity when we move a house from one place to another? 01:26:49
Well, if you look at my publication, you'll see Mules pulling. 01:26:55
Down the road, a lot of the early building, smaller buildings have been moved. 01:27:01
Overtime, in this instance it's a. 01:27:07
Of being forced. 01:27:11
To use exactly that amount of property, to do it, and then to save the house. 01:27:13
By rotating it, it's. 01:27:19
In its same. 01:27:22
But shifted. 01:27:25
So that it addresses the design without damaging. 01:27:27
The issue. 01:27:31
Restricted property. It's a very difficult process altogether. 01:27:34
And I'm a little curious about one of the individuals comments about the parking lot, because the parking lot of bucks two 01:27:39
stories. 01:27:43
Of residential housing. 01:27:49
For the asylum or camp? 01:27:51
This building was built. 01:27:54
But a syllable was built, and it becomes a golden opportunity for the Rangers there. 01:27:56
Take somebody on that side and say, look, this was going up at the same time and give a much better view. 01:28:03
Of the building, but the building still stays there. I don't know if you looked at the one photograph the detailing. 01:28:10
In the. 01:28:17
But they're being restored as we speak. 01:28:19
So we're going to a lot of effort to make sure the building is correct. 01:28:22
And its orientation, as I said, has nothing to do with religiosity. It has to do with harmony and peace. 01:28:27
And if you can look at it that. 01:28:34
The. 01:28:37
That we do rehabilitation and Mr. Chaney said restoration, it's not a restoration. 01:28:40
It's a rehabilitation of an historic property to meet contemporary needs while maintaining the historic. 01:28:47
Cultural character of the. 01:28:54
And I think this. 01:28:56
And so. 01:28:59
Bluntly, to move a building from A to B, even though it's not much you don't. Does that destroy it or not? 01:29:01
I don't think. I'm not in my professional opinion and I've been in the game for 50 years. 01:29:09
Thank you. 01:29:16
I do have a couple of comments. I first of all I do support this project. 01:29:19
Concerning the trees. 01:29:25
Having been out there and looking at the trees in. 01:29:28
They're not in very good shape at all, and I'm assuming there will be replants of the same species in the same general area. 01:29:32
And I mean, that would probably need to be done anyway at some point if you wanted to have trees right there. 01:29:42
I think the size of the of the, the new house in relation to the tea house is is very compatible. I mean, I think one of you said 01:29:49
it could have been higher, but it's not and I I applaud that. 01:29:56
The roof roof material has been addressed. 01:30:05
The view of the public, I mean there is a little view when you're driving on ocean view or running on ocean view. 01:30:09
I would bet. 01:30:16
75% or more of the people in Pacific Grove don't even know it's there. 01:30:19
I mean it's not a view that we all, it's not like looking at the ocean, it's not very obvious and if you're not, if you're 01:30:24
driving, you're not looking anyway hopefully. 01:30:28
And so I think to put it where it can be viewed and pointed out on on a more professional basis I think is kind of a nice. 01:30:33
And I don't believe there's any rule that says. 01:30:43
We have to keep it in the public. 01:30:47
Anyway, I just think that. 01:30:50
Being done just to kind of. 01:30:52
Make it more available for people to think about and and certainly for the Rangers to talk about. I'm I'm curious the the height 01:30:56
limits I know that the. 01:31:01
Orange about I think this would be to you Hunter. About how much higher above 25 feet would those be roughly? 01:31:07
Angus. 01:31:18
We had a very constructive zoom session with Garrett and Dara. Is he on the mic, by the way? 01:31:21
OK. We had a very constructive zoom session with Dara and Mike regarding that the height limit, it's about two feet at this tiny 01:31:27
sliver of that sort of box Gable that's below the finials that exceeds that 25 foot threshold. And we've already confirmed that we 01:31:35
can we can address that by modifying the foundation height so that we stay compliant with the 25 foot height regulation and we've 01:31:42
we've accepted that as a condition of the approval. 01:31:50
But there, it's just the the peaks. It's not a whole roof. That's. 01:31:59
Give me one. 01:32:03
I want us all to be on the same page here and I don't want folks to have the the wrong impression here. It's. 01:32:08
I have a Hunter's height assessment in here, but it's sorry if I'm making people sick here. 01:32:17
There, but all right, I'm going to focus on on this one. It's not the exact one I wanted. 01:32:26
I'm sorry. 01:32:32
Right now I am Whiskey. Oh, there it is. See this blue section right here? 01:32:35
It is three of those finials that just barely creep over that blue plane. However, you can just see the box Gable below the the 01:32:40
finials. There's a little sliver of that brown roofing there that exceeds that 25 foot plane. It's about two feet. So if we modify 01:32:48
the foundation by just that 2 feet, we're fine with the. 01:32:56
The 25 foot height limit. 01:33:06
Aaron Garrett gave us the option of seeking a HPP permit to address that and just let us keep everything the same. But our feeling 01:33:08
was no, no, we can fix that and address that, move the foundation. 01:33:14
I'm, I'm not concerned. I was just curious because it it mentioned they'd be above and I was just wondering, you know, is this 10 01:33:21
feet or two feet, so this tiny little sliver I understand. 01:33:26
Thank you. 01:33:32
With regard to the setbacks, you know, and it would be important if if this was in my neighborhood, because you'd be encroaching 01:33:36
on your neighbors like this, But the fact that there aren't any neighbors back in the backside, that doesn't concern me either. 01:33:44
The question about the garage. 01:33:54
I'm concerned about trash cans. Will there be room inside for the trash cans or do they have to be outside? 01:34:00
Inside the garage. 01:34:14
OK. Thank you. 01:34:15
I think I mean questions regarding access for work. I know that you will workout. I I know it's going to be difficult for 01:34:21
neighbors. It always is. We all live through it. 01:34:26
It starts and it's loud and it's noisy and messy and then it's over and I hope that. 01:34:32
Everybody that works there will be very kind. I'm sure they. 01:34:41
I I do think the work that's been done here is excellent. I I. 01:34:46
You know, it's a building that I've known about, but I've never paid much attention to it. It's kind of out of the way. 01:34:51
And I think this will this will be pretty cool in the end and be a showpiece and. 01:34:58
And and it's just and and it's a separate unit that will be preserved. 01:35:05
Even if the house goes away at some point, so I think. 01:35:10
I'm I'm very much in favor of. 01:35:15
So. 01:35:20
We need a motion and we have something here. 01:35:23
And may I ask our staff? 01:35:27
To make the motion, do we use this wording or how do we? 01:35:32
I want to make sure the motion includes. 01:35:38
It's my understanding that we're making a motion that will have parts. Yes, we could do a single motion and use these. 01:35:42
These four. 01:35:49
Options here. 01:35:52
To a motion to a recommended motion to. 01:35:56
Propose the. 01:36:02
One second. Here, let me let me figure this. 01:36:04
I don't think we have that. 01:36:13
No, I can just read it from that, but I thought it had to be more. 01:36:16
As architecture, can we just can we use the words just under the words recommendation there on the first page page 69? 01:36:23
OK, I have. I have a motion for you guys. 01:36:38
Covers all four. 01:36:43
A motion to recommend. 01:36:45
Of the APUP invariants to the Planning Commission. 01:36:47
That's it. 01:36:57
All right. So basically what you have there. So would somebody like to make a motion? 01:37:02
Using your recommendation on page 69. 01:37:08
Thank you. 01:37:12
Just keep in mind that this goes on to the planning department, so where our motion is to. 01:37:16
Recommend that it may move to the planning department. 01:37:22
For their approval. 01:37:26
I don't make it. I recommend it to the Planning Commission approval of Architectural permit, Use permit and variance. 01:37:29
Subject to the findings, conditions of approval and the initial study migrated negative declaration. 01:37:37
All right. So that's from Grannis. Do we have a 2nd I'll second it? Yes, from the steers. 01:37:45
Roll call member Gran. 01:37:55
Vice chair steers. 01:37:58
Member Greening. 01:38:04
Member pick. 01:38:07
Chair. 01:38:11
Hi, we have four eyes. One. 01:38:12
Motion passes. 01:38:17
Thank you very much and we look forward to the project. 01:38:22
And I want to be invited on the day. 01:38:26
That some big thing lifts it up and moves it over Here I want to. I want to see that happened. 01:38:29
Yeah. 01:38:37
All right. Thank you and thank you, committee. 01:38:41
All right, let's see here. Now we have something interesting from. 01:38:46
Mr. 01:38:54
I can find it, so this is. 01:38:56
We're on. 01:39:00
It's not that there it is. 01:39:08
OK, so this is regarding historic preservation permit for 844 Laurel Ave. May we have a staff report? 01:39:12
Thank you. We'll keep this one very simple. We haven't had time to really delve into and give you a proper agenda report. And so 01:39:21
with the applicants permission, we've asked that you continue this to. 01:39:28
The next. 01:39:37
Available meeting, A date certain, preferably the next meeting. 01:39:38
What is the February 28th? 01:39:43
And that is the end of my staff report. 01:39:49
Thank you very much. I do have to open the public comment. 01:39:52
If we have any none present. 01:39:57
Trying to do this fast. 01:40:01
You see none. 01:40:06
As you know, their hands raised on the on. 01:40:11
All right, now close public. 01:40:15
Do we need to discuss? Let's have a motion to continue this item. I make a motion to continue. 01:40:17
And the address, sorry. 01:40:25
Ave. 01:40:30
That was, Pickett made the. 01:40:31
We have a second. 01:40:35
Screening mate greening, seconded. May we have a roll call, please? 01:40:37
Remember Bickett? Hello. 01:40:42
Remember Greening? 01:40:45
Member Grannis. 01:40:48
Chair Anton. 01:40:51
Vice chair steers. 01:40:53
Five Eyes, 0 nays, Motion passes to continue. 01:40:55
The item to. 01:41:00
February 20. 01:41:02
OK, we have a little time left. I think we'll put into the next. 01:41:05
All right, the next item is. 01:41:13
Item 8. 01:41:15
This is regarding. 01:41:17
Potential deletion of. 01:41:19
138 10th St. from. 01:41:24
HRI do we have a staff report? 01:41:27
Yes, good afternoon, Chair Anton and members of the HRC. The item before you is 138. 01:41:32
10th. 01:41:39
It's the removal from the H. 01:41:41
City records indicate that the building was. 01:41:44
In 19. 01:41:48
And the evaluation. 01:41:51
Our cumulative additions and alterations have resulted. 01:41:54
Loss of historic integrity. 01:41:59
Hayden Turnbull's recommendation is to remove the property from the HRI. 01:42:01
Therefore, staff's recommendation is to remove the property from the HRI. 01:42:06
This concludes my staff report. I'm available to answer any questions. Thank you. 01:42:10
Do we have any AUD? 01:42:14
First, I should ask if is the owner present. 01:42:19
We've had a couple of cases. 01:42:22
Do we have any public comment on this? 01:42:25
I see no. We have one hand. 01:42:29
Allow Inga Lorenzen Dahmer to speak. 01:42:32
Thank you very much. I will request again please that all Members and especially the Chair, speak directly into their microphone 01:42:39
closely enough that it can be recorded and heard. 01:42:46
As far as this one goes, I. 01:42:56
Is that most? 01:42:59
Additions, etc. We're all. 01:43:03
ARARB that that looked at. 01:43:07
Resolution. So I'm not quite sure what's happening with all of this. 01:43:12
I didn't look at this just recently. It was when the agenda first came out, So I could be wrong here, but it certainly deserves at 01:43:18
least neighborhood character. 01:43:24
Listing. Thank you very much. 01:43:30
Thank you. 01:43:33
Other discussions, other public comment. I mean, I see no other hands. 01:43:35
All right. I'm going to close the public discussion. Bring it back. 01:43:41
The committee. 01:43:45
What do you think? I have a comment and I think that 138 tenths should stay on the HI because although the building does have a 01:43:47
huge addition in the garage, I think the main part of the house retains its historic significance and should stay on the H. 01:43:55
I'm back and forth on this side. It's a beautiful home and they've taken wonderful care of it. However, the windows have all been 01:44:08
replaced, the roof lines been changed, and the add-on with the garage and so forth. I think there's just. 01:44:15
Too much done. 01:44:22
So I would be. 01:44:24
I agree with you. I think it's way too much. It's a beautiful home, but it's way too much. I can't see the historic part of it. 01:44:29
Underneath all the rest of the stuff. 01:44:41
Yes, they've changed quite a few of the windows in the historic part of it. 01:44:46
I do think it should be on the character list. 01:44:51
I think it's a beautiful building. 01:44:54
Would someone like to make a motion to that effect then? 01:44:59
I agree. 01:45:02
So we could have a motion. 01:45:05
Remove it from the HRI and and consider it for the character list. 01:45:09
That someday will. 01:45:14
It is. 01:45:19
That's the motion right there. 01:45:21
I'll second it. 01:45:24
Chair Anton, you made the motion, correct. 01:45:27
I I move that. 01:45:30
Remove it from the HR I and consider it for a neighborhood character. 01:45:32
Of the. 01:45:38
And greening second. 01:45:41
2nd. 01:45:43
Roll call. 01:45:47
I remember greening. 01:45:50
Member Grannis. 01:45:55
Aye member pick. 01:45:57
Vice Chair Steers, Aye. 01:46:02
Five Eyes, 0 nays to remove the property from the HRI. 01:46:05
Consider it for neighborhood character. 01:46:10
Thank you. All right. The next one to consider is 140 110th St. item 8. 01:46:13
Same situation. 01:46:20
This This House by the. 01:46:24
Has two addresses, apparently. We have it listed and page internal habit listed as 141, but the house actually has the number 139 01:46:27
right on the House. So that that's confusing, but I think the picture it's pretty clear what the house we're talking about. 01:46:35
So I'm not sure how we deal with this on a legal matter when the addresses. 01:46:45
Not. 01:46:49
But. 01:46:51
It's. 01:46:53
And has to. Thanks. 01:46:55
It doesn't look like a dupe. Anyway, I'm sorry, we need a staff report. 01:46:57
Talk. 01:47:02
Trying to get it through by 5. 01:47:03
We have a staff report that yes, the item before you is the removal of 140 110th St. 01:47:05
Or 139 10th St. That's the one that's the correct address. 01:47:14
For the removal from the HRI this the city records indicate that the building was constructed in 1925. 01:47:20
Evaluation notes from Paige and Turnbull. 01:47:29
Cumulative alterations have resulted in a loss of historic integrity. 01:47:33
Page and Turnbull's recommendation is to remove the property from the. 01:47:38
Therefore, staff's recommendation is to remove the property from the. 01:47:42
This concludes my staff report. I'm available for answer to answer any questions. 01:47:46
And. 01:47:52
All open to public. 01:47:54
Again, we're talking about 140 110th St. 01:47:56
I see no hands raised all. 01:48:04
Close public comment. Bring it back for discussion. 01:48:07
Let's start with Venice. 01:48:10
I think it's a cute house, but I noticed all the windows are now. 01:48:13
So it has been changed quite a lot. 01:48:19
Probably change. 01:48:25
With keeping it on the HRI. 01:48:27
Right. 01:48:31
I think the on the left hand side of it, when you're standing in the street looking at it, I think there was a porch there that 01:48:36
was deeper back and that it's been. 01:48:41
I built out a little bit. 01:48:47
And I took this as being a duplex. Maybe that's 1/2 the duplex. 01:48:51
139 and the other 141 is another half of the duplex now. 01:48:57
The addresses got scrambled when they built the umm. 01:49:03
The Catholic Church there later. 01:49:08
And you're absolutely right, it's got an aluminum windows on it. It's probably not historic. 01:49:12
But I don't see any. I couldn't find any mention of what the original siding was or. 01:49:20
You know the little brackets that it had. 01:49:29
On the roof or anything else? 01:49:33
That's kind of hard to tell, yeah. 01:49:37
One, yeah, I mean, the windows just take it right out of the picture. 01:49:42
The so it says here that alterations aren't enclosed P. 01:49:49
And course replacement and an altered entry, so. 01:49:55
I would vote. 01:50:01
Done. 01:50:03
Hri. 01:50:10
You're on red. 01:50:13
There is, but I think you can come off based on. 01:50:16
What? 01:50:22
Well, I think that it's been altered. It's kind of in a strange. 01:50:26
Configuration with that flat route that's been added to it. 01:50:33
I would consider it for neighborhood character, however. 01:50:37
We want to go that way. 01:50:41
So. 01:50:50
I move we remove it from the HRI and look to put it on the character list in the future. 01:50:54
I second. 01:51:03
Member Greening. 01:51:08
Aye, Chair. 01:51:10
I vice chair Stairs. 01:51:13
I'm kind of ambivalent about it, but I'll vote aye. 01:51:18
Remember Gran? 01:51:24
Nay for the charac. 01:51:26
Member Picket. 01:51:31
Aye, one. 01:51:37
Motion passes to remove 141 tenth from the HRI and consider for the neighborhood character list. 01:51:40
Sorry, Karen, we get a little giddy at the end. 01:51:50
OK, the next one to be considered is what letter I'm on 8F right? 01:51:55
Would be 144 tenth. 01:52:02
And again. 01:52:06
Staff report please The item before you is the removal of 144 10th St. from the HRI. The city records indicate that the building 01:52:08
was constructed. 01:52:13
In 1920. 01:52:18
The evaluation, not. 01:52:21
From page and turn. 01:52:26
Highly visible. two-story addition along with other alterations. 01:52:28
Cumulatively resulted in a loss of historic integrity. 01:52:33
Paige and Turnbull's recommendation is to remove the property from the HRI. Therefore Staffs recommendation is to remove the 01:52:37
property from the HRI. 01:52:41
This concludes my staff report. I'm available to answer any questions. 01:52:45
And I'll open to public comment. 01:52:50
I see no hands. 01:52:56
All right, I'll close public. 01:53:00
And bring it back for discussion. 01:53:03
This turn is starting. 01:53:08
I would like to just comment that the house has changed dramatically from what I think it originally was and I think that it would 01:53:11
be totally appropriate at this time to remove it from the HR I. 01:53:16
And I agree. I mean, the fireplace has changed the the whole the whole structure has really changed. So I think it needs to be 01:53:24
removed. 01:53:27
I agree as well. I think the character of it. It's pretty close to what it was originally. I found an old photograph of it, but. 01:53:32
The addition in the back, and that fireplace in particular, and the little cover over the front door is different too. 01:53:42
The character, the historic character, I think is gone. 01:53:51
Yes, I would agree. 01:53:56
And I as well. So can we have a motion? 01:53:59
I move that remove the property from the HRI due to loss of integrity at 144 10th St. 01:54:04
2nd. 01:54:12
That's not. 01:54:15
So Granite and Bickett. 01:54:16
Member Grannis. 01:54:20
Aye member pick. 01:54:22
Member Green. 01:54:28
Aye, vice chair steers. 01:54:29
Chair Anton Hi Five Eyes, 0 nays to remove 144 10th St. from the HRI. 01:54:34
OK. 01:54:46
And we come to 158 10th St. item 8. 01:54:49
Staff report. 01:54:57
The item before you is the removal of 144 10th St. from the HRI. 01:54:59
Oh, sorry. 01:55:04
158. 01:55:07
The item before you is the removal of 158 10th St. from the HRI. The city records indicate that the building was. 01:55:09
1916 per page in Turnbull their evaluation notes. 01:55:19
Include cumulative alterations, including two-story addition and replacement windows have resulted in loss of historic integrity. 01:55:25
Paige and Turnbull's recommendation is to remove property from the HRI. Therefore, staff's recommendation is to remove the 01:55:33
property from the HRI. This concludes my staff report. I'm able to answer questions. 01:55:39
Thank you. Do we have any public comment on this? 01:55:46
I see no hands raised. 01:55:53
All right. I've closed public comment. Bring it back and we'll start with Miss Pickett. 01:55:57
So and the aluminum windows, that little garage that was stuck on the side and the two-story addition in the back, I think that it 01:56:06
should definitely at this point in time being removed from the HR. 01:56:11
I agree. 01:56:19
Yes, I'm in agreement. 01:56:22
Yeah, there are several houses right along that block. They all started with that little one story Fisherman's Cottage, if you 01:56:25
will. That's really close. 01:56:31
And it couldn't be added on to there because the the front set back is only 6 feet on those things and the real set back now is I 01:56:38
think 15 feet. 01:56:43
So they're all sticking out like that. And the the. 01:56:48
Two-story addition in the back and the garage. 01:56:53
And the windows that just destroy the character of it, yeah. 01:56:57
Sorry to say. 01:57:01
Would you like to make a motion? 01:57:05
I'll move that we remove it from. 01:57:07
From the historic inventory? 01:57:12
So steers do we have. 01:57:15
I second it. 01:57:17
We'll call Vice Chair Ste. 01:57:21
I remember. 01:57:23
Hi. 01:57:27
Member Greening. 01:57:31
Chair Anton. 01:57:33
We have Five Eyes, 0 nays to remove 158 10th St. from the HRI. 01:57:36
And we have one more. 01:57:44
Interesting one, so. 01:57:47
The consideration for 162 T. 01:57:50
And do we have a staff report? 01:57:54
The item before you is the removal of 160 210th St. from the HRI. 01:57:58
City records indicate that the building was constructed. 01:58:03
In 1891. 01:58:07
Evaluation notes from Page and Turnbull. 01:58:09
Based on early Sanborn maps, the residents did not originally have a full width open porch. 01:58:13
A small projecting front Bay and small open corner porch were located along the 10th St. facade. 01:58:20
The projecting Bay and the small corner porch appeared to have been removed after 1962 and replaced with the full width porch with 01:58:27
false historical barge board details. 01:58:33
Cumulatively, these alterations have resulted in a loss of historic integrity. 01:58:40
Page interbles recommendation is to remove the property from the HRI. 01:58:46
Therefore, staff's recommendation is to remove the property from the HRI. This concludes my staff report. I'm available for 01:58:51
questions. 01:58:54
OK. Do we have any public comment? 01:58:59
I see no hands raised. 01:59:03
All right. I'm back for discussion and Rick, I'll start with you on this one. All right, I. 01:59:06
It needs to be off of the HRI, but I think it needs to go on to the neighborhood character list. 01:59:14
I like the long porch it used to have. 01:59:23
Decorative. 01:59:27
Of finials and things on. 01:59:29
Host and he used to have different kinds of. 01:59:31
Mullions on the windows and that sort of thing. It's not a They didn't. 01:59:37
Try very hard to. 01:59:43
To be consistent with the original historic character of it, but I think it still has a lot of the original character and I'd like 01:59:48
to see it. 01:59:52
Go on the neighborhood list. 01:59:57
Glenys Yes, I would agree. I I like the board and baton and it just it looks as it's been in that site for a long time. It's like 02:00:00
it's so down. 02:00:05
Neither. Yes, I I agree. I really like the house when I went by and and their security is very good. I was going down the middle 02:00:12
of the street and all their lights came on, so. 02:00:17
Remember, they had a ring. 02:00:25
Jennifer Yeah, I agree it's a tough one because I remember a movie modeling this probably. 02:00:29
20-30 years ago, I can't remember now. 02:00:35
It's hard to see what it originally was. It seems like it did have a front porch like that, but I think the frustrations have 02:00:38
changed dramatically. And so I think that it should just come off the HR but beyond the neighborhood character list. 02:00:44
Would you like to make a motion to that effect? 02:00:51
I'll make a motion that 160, 210th St. Lafayette remain on the neighbourhood character list. 02:00:54
Do we have a second? 02:01:05
I second. 02:01:06
So bigot and then green. 02:01:08
Roll call member Bacot. 02:01:11
Remember Greening? 02:01:15
Member Grannis. 02:01:19
Vice Chair steers Hi. 02:01:21
Chair An. 02:01:24
Aye 5 eyes, 0 nays motion passes to remove 160 210th St. from the HRI and consider it for neighborhood character list. 02:01:26
Thank you very much and I believe that ends. 02:01:41
Agenda. 02:01:45
I'm not mistaken. 02:01:47
And so with, hey, look at our time. So at 2 minutes after five, I will adjourn the meeting. Well done, we got our business. 02:01:51
Completed and thank you all. 02:02:01
This this project coming up will be exciting and we'll see where it goes. 02:02:04
Thank you. 02:02:11
Thank you for staying. 02:02:14
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Here we go. 00:00:23
I'd like to call to order the January 20. 00:00:24
2024 meeting of the Historic Resources Committee. 00:00:27
And we will start with A roll. 00:00:32
Chair. 00:00:35
Present vice chair. 00:00:37
Here, remember Greening? 00:00:40
Remember Grannis? 00:00:44
Member Bickett. 00:00:46
We have 5 members. 00:00:49
0. 00:00:51
Thank you. We'll move to item number 2. 00:00:54
Can we get a motion to approve today's agenda? 00:00:58
So moved. Thank you, Mr. Steers second, Mr. Vicki, thank. 00:01:03
May we have a roll call vote please? Vice Chair, Ste. 00:01:10
Aye member. 00:01:14
Member Grannis. 00:01:20
Remember Greening? 00:01:22
Chair Anton. 00:01:25
Aye 5 eyes, 0 nays, motion passes. 00:01:26
Thank you. We'll move to item three. Do we have any committee announcements first? 00:01:32
Seeing none, do we have any staff announcements? Yes, we do. 00:01:41
Staff would like to introduce. 00:01:46
The new CD director Karen Vaughn. 00:01:48
She's to my right. 00:01:51
And we. 00:01:55
Good afternoon. Thank you very much. I really look forward to working with the committee. 00:01:57
Thank you. 00:02:03
All right. Item number four, we have council liaison announcements with Mayor Peak. 00:02:07
Thank you for being. 00:02:12
Which extends work for the housing element. 00:02:20
Also we heard from the Monterey Bay Chinese Association. 00:02:45
Proposal to. 00:02:52
Disable in a movie like. 00:02:55
Chinese. 00:02:59
And the council asked them organic public works, they don't take a. 00:03:01
And the. 00:03:09
Made appointments and council approved appointments at our last meeting and thank you all for re upping. I don't recall. I think 00:03:12
it's just about everybody, but perhaps not. 00:03:18
Jennifer So thank you. Thank you for that. And council denied appeals on projects at 270 Central Ave. and 111th and St. 00:03:25
Up at our last meeting and upcoming, we're going to hear recommendations by the city attorney. I'm dealing with hate speech. 00:03:38
During public comment, we're also going to hear an. 00:03:49
That will establish a procedure for adding agenda items to Council's agenda. I expect that once that happens, that will be rolled 00:03:52
down to all the committees, including yours. 00:03:59
There's also boards committee, Commission handbook that was on the agenda last meeting we didn't talk about that ran out of time. 00:04:08
So that will be coming up and we'll also hear a proposal both the ordinance which was introduced in December, proposed ordinance 00:04:17
and now a policy on how to handle council inquiries of staff there. 00:04:27
Interim city manager. 00:04:37
Robert Perrault's been working on a policy on how to enact that, and stay tuned. 00:04:39
Skate park update. 00:04:47
Parklets. 00:04:49
Umm, we should be getting some feedback from the housing and community development on how. 00:04:52
How can we get our housing? 00:05:01
Update. 00:05:04
And of course. 00:05:06
Risks over there with our community development. Thank you very much in advance. 00:05:10
For that. That's it. That's all I have. 00:05:16
Thank you very much. 00:05:18
Thank you always for. 00:05:20
All right. Item number 5, general public comment. We will open in a moment these. 00:05:23
Are for items that are not on our regular agenda, but they must be appropriate for this committee. 00:05:29
So to begin with, do we have anybody in the present audience who would like to speak under general comment? 00:05:36
Seeing none, do we have any virtual speakers? 00:05:46
The next speaker will be 363. 00:05:50
Phone number ending in 363, You may speak. 00:05:59
Phone number ending in 363 You may. 00:06:16
Hello, this is Inga Lorenzen Dymer speaking from the telephone because I cannot get on the zoom meeting. It says the file is not 00:06:22
found and every link you have from everything I have on the city website doesn't work. So if others have gotten on, wonderful, but 00:06:30
something is wrong with it again. 00:06:38
Thank you. 00:06:51
Thank you. 00:06:54
Is there something we could do to? 00:06:55
Unfortunately it is working on it right now. 00:07:01
As soon as they. 00:07:05
Do we have other virtual comment? 00:07:06
We do. 00:07:10
We next speaker will be Lisa C. 00:07:12
Hi please don't start my time yet. I just want to say I've been trying to get in for 10 minutes. 00:07:18
OK and and I only got on because Sandra Candel sent me a link which didn't work, but when I cut and pasted it, it did. 00:07:24
OK. I would like to make a general public comment. Is that where you are? 00:07:33
Yes. 00:07:39
If the addition were not subordinated to the historic structure, the commissioners simply compared the proposed addition to others 00:08:17
in the neighborhood rather than comparing it to the diminutive historic resource in the historic style. That the addition would 00:08:23
overwhelm A peer review by Meg Clovis, making the deficiencies of the phase two report clear was disregarded by the Planning 00:08:30
Commission, but they tried to protect the tree, which was too little too late. They did specify a condition for tribal and 00:08:36
archaeological monitoring. 00:08:42
On the same Planning Commission agenda was a project that didn't even come to HRC for 270 Central Ave. which is on the HRI. I am 00:08:49
totally baffled at how staff could make an over the counter decisions that all the historic windows could be discarded and 00:08:55
replaced with manufactured wood windows with a simple one sentence e-mail confirmation from the building official that all the 00:09:01
windows are too deteriorated to repair. 00:09:08
My husband is a licensed architect and a consultant on the official California Historic Resources Information Systems listing who 00:09:14
meets the qualifications of a professional in the discipline of historic architecture as defined in the Secretary of Interior 00:09:21
Standards. He did not want to trespass, so he couldn't do a close inspection of multiple windows. But when one window on a covered 00:09:29
porch was clearly not overly deteriorated and other windows appeared intact, including an upstairs window open on a sunny day. 00:09:36
HRC has been charged with deleting properties from the HRI that no longer retain their historical integrity and at the same time 00:09:44
the city is making decisions that will degrade properties historical integrity and qualify them for deletion from the. 00:09:51
I hope the new CDD director will provide the necessary training for staff to protect PG's historic resources consistent with the 00:10:00
City's vision statement. Thank you and and I I hope you'll repeat any. 00:10:07
Comments that people have missed. I don't know if everybody's on yet that tried to. 00:10:15
Because, as I say, the only way I got on was by contacting Sandra Kendall, who sent me a link that I could cut and paste. 00:10:21
When we get on. Thank you. 00:10:31
Thank you. 00:10:33
Next speaker will be Anthony Cian. 00:10:39
Thank you. Good afternoon, Commissioners or committee members. 00:10:45
I'm just going to follow up on the comments that my wife, Lisa, just made. 00:10:50
First, regarding 111 tenth. 00:10:55
You your. 00:11:01
Reviewed that project. 00:11:03
And made explicit findings that the project did not. 00:11:05
Comply with the standards. 00:11:11
The City Standards. The Secretary of Interiors. 00:11:15
ETC. 00:11:19
One of those standards was, and one of your recommendations was. 00:11:21
That. 00:11:26
All of the new surfaces. 00:11:28
Of the building. 00:11:31
Should have a disting. 00:11:33
Material on. 00:11:38
They do not. 00:11:40
It was approved with matching Shing. 00:11:42
The roofing was matching, the window details were matching. It's just like hard to understand. 00:11:46
How the Planning Commission could just go along with that. It's really hard to understand if your staff is trained and has 00:11:57
knowledge in this stuff, how they can recommend to the Planning Commission that that's OK. 00:12:04
It is not OK. 00:12:12
Furthermore, that particular. 00:12:15
Is a storybook cottage Storybook being in a a type and style a particular genre within? 00:12:18
The arts and crafts. 00:12:26
And so it's diminished. 00:12:29
Its scale is. 00:12:32
You open the front door and you're right underneath the eve of the building. 00:12:34
All of the elements of of Storybook. 00:12:40
Fairy tale architecture, whatever you want to call it, apply there. So the addition is particularly overwhelming because it's 00:12:43
scaled at a bigger scale. 00:12:49
The other one at the original. 00:12:55
As far as. 00:12:58
270 Central Ave. OH. 00:12:59
I could stand on the street because the porch is very close. It's like maybe 6 feet away from the window. That's undercover out of 00:13:04
the weather. 00:13:09
I've done this for over 50 years. I've written particular reports. I've taught courses on this I've taken courses on. 00:13:16
How do you evaluate windows? It's a systematic review, window by window. 00:13:25
Staff didn't do it. How they could take away your authority is beyond me. And you know what? 00:13:33
Lisa's right. 00:13:40
It won't qualify to be at the remain on the HRI and I don't. 00:13:42
111. 00:13:48
Thank you for your listening. 00:13:50
Thank you. 00:13:55
I see no other hands raised. 00:14:00
All right, I'm going to close. Public, general, public. 00:14:02
Which brings us down. 00:14:06
We do have some written comments which were in your. 00:14:08
We move to the consent agenda. Is there anybody? 00:14:16
Here that would like to remove an item from the consent. 00:14:19
Is there anybody from the public that would like to remove an item from the consent agenda? 00:14:29
Or the virtual. 00:14:37
I see no hands. 00:14:40
All right then. May we have a motion to approve the the consent agenda, please? 00:14:43
I move. We approve the consent agenda. 00:14:49
Greetings, I seconded. Grant a second. 00:14:52
Thank you. Can we have a roll call vote please member? 00:14:57
Aye, Member GR. 00:15:01
Member Bickett A. 00:15:05
Vice chair steers. 00:15:08
Chair An. 00:15:11
Aye 5 aye's zero nays, motion passes. 00:15:13
Thank you. That moves us to item 8, which is our public hearing category and we will begin with. 00:15:20
Item 8A The historic determination for 420 Lakhi Court Day. 00:15:29
And we have a staff report from Mr. 00:15:35
Yes, we do. 00:15:39
Good afternoon, Chair Anton and Committee members. The property under consideration or addition to the HRI is located at 420 00:15:41
Lakaya Corte in the R1B4 Zoning District of the Pacific Grove of Sylmar Dunes. 00:15:49
The property is a 27,713 square foot interior lot. 00:15:56
South of Pico Ave. at the terminus of the Lakaya Corte cul-de-sac. 00:16:02
The site is currently developed with the historic Chinese Tea House, approximately 1628 square feet.