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Call this meeting to order. 00:01:57
Today is Tuesday, January 9th. This is the Architectural Review Board and can we get a roll call please? 00:02:01
Board member. 00:02:17
Board member E. 00:02:22
Yeah, Board member Brooks. 00:02:24
Here board member Bornstein. 00:02:27
And Cher Boyle here. 00:02:31
Sharon, we have 5 board members. 00:02:33
Present for the quorum for today's meeting. 00:02:37
Thank you so much. Item number 2 on our agenda is approval of the agenda. I am assuming everybody has had a chance to take a look 00:02:40
at it and if anybody. 00:02:45
Has anything. 00:02:52
That needs. 00:02:57
Is that OK Then we can look at an approval of the agenda motion for that? 00:02:58
Sure. I'll move to approve the agenda. 00:03:05
Well seconded. Great. We have a motion and. 00:03:08
All in favor. 00:03:17
Aye. 00:03:19
I'll do a roll call. Thank you. 00:03:21
Board member Brooks. 00:03:26
Aye board member Stephen. 00:03:28
Vice chair. 00:03:34
Aye, board member born. 00:03:36
And chair boy. 00:03:40
Aye chair. The motion to adopt the agenda as presented is it passed 5 to 0. 00:03:41
Great. Thank you. Item number three, board and staff announcements. Do we have any? 00:03:49
Staff has no announcements at this time. Anything from the board? 00:03:56
No seeing none. 00:04:02
Close item 3 and move on. I got an e-mail earlier from Debbie Back saying who are as our council liaison saying she was not able 00:04:04
to attend the meeting so. 00:04:10
We can close item four and move on to general public comment and at this time. 00:04:18
We can. 00:04:25
Public. 00:04:29
For items that. 00:04:31
City related, but not on our agenda this evening and we can give you. 00:04:33
A limit of three. 00:04:39
Anybody. 00:04:43
Council chambers. 00:04:46
It doesn't appear that we have anybody, anybody in the audience. 00:04:48
We have one raised hand. 00:04:53
Sheriff, there is one virtual attendee with their hand raised. 00:04:57
Lisa. 00:05:01
Thank you and happy New Year to you all. 00:05:05
I just, I'm not sure. I don't think it's been mentioned at ARB for quite some time, the archaeological. 00:05:09
Protocol. I'll just shorten it to that. 00:05:19
It was something like archaeological and tribal monitoring. 00:05:23
Protocol, but anyway the name's been changed that that. 00:05:27
The city contracted for in 2000. 00:05:33
2000, yeah, in, in December of 2000 and it was actually completed by Rincon in. 00:05:37
The fall of 2000 or late summer, but it got waylaid by. 00:05:46
Public works. 00:05:53
And it never got anywhere. 00:05:54
Where it needed to be reviewed, it was supposed to be reviewed by Planning Commission and City Council. 00:05:59
So anyway, I did start protesting at the beginning of 2023, and it finally made it to the Planning Commission in. 00:06:07
When I say September. 00:06:21
And. 00:06:24
Allowed for the presentation, but they wanted to discuss it and it was already 10:00 and then it never came back to Planning 00:06:28
Commission because. 00:06:33
Apparently the contract ran out of money after all that time. I mean, yeah, it was, you know, three years later. 00:06:39
And even though no work had been done other than. 00:06:47
Planning. Excuse me? Public Works let it be known that they had some concerns and had made some changes. But they would they. 00:06:52
Did not divulge what the changes were. So anyway, it's now waiting for the public works to take it back to City Council for more 00:07:01
money so that they can continue reviewing it. And I will say since this you know most of you are new and aren't aware that I've 00:07:09
I've been an advocate for Native American. 00:07:18
Rights for for monitoring. 00:07:28
For many years now and well since 2015 I think and. 00:07:32
This. 00:07:39
Such a disappointing protocol. I wrote, I believe, 19 pages of comments to Planning Commission about the deficiencies and and what 00:07:42
actually is needed in Pacific Grove. But. 00:07:51
This needs to get done sometime. This is a very very important thing considering all the development that is done. That is ground 00:08:01
disturbing work. 00:08:06
In Pacific Groves archaeological zones, which is the entire coastal zone. 00:08:13
And then some distance in from that and there are even archaeological resources found. 00:08:18
Outside the what's considered the archaeological zone, So I hope you will inquire about it also because this is very important in 00:08:26
development projects to respect Native American resources and and. 00:08:35
Ancestors and we need to have a clear cut policy. I think I I know it is challenging for public works because it takes extra time 00:08:45
and money, but it it's very important for PGS cultural heritage. 00:08:54
And and respect for the Native Americans. 00:09:03
Thank you for your continued hard work on that. 00:09:08
Share No other attendees. Virtual attendees have their hand raised. Great. We will go ahead and close item five general public 00:09:15
comment and go over to the consent agenda. 00:09:20
The consent agenda consists of our minutes. 00:09:30
Did everybody have a chance to take a look at that? Was there anything that anybody? 00:09:37
Add any. 00:09:46
Comments on. 00:09:48
Joe, I'm drawing a blank. Do I need to open? 00:09:50
To the public if they want to pull the anything from the consent agenda. 00:09:54
Yes, OK. So. 00:10:01
We will. 00:10:04
Offer that to the public if they want to pull anything from the consent agenda. 00:10:06
No virtual attendees have their hand raised. OK, we can close public comment on that and bring it back to the board if. 00:10:15
Nobody. 00:10:23
Has anything then we. 00:10:26
Entertain a motion. 00:10:28
To approve the consent agenda as submitted. 00:10:32
I'll make a motion to approve the consent agenda. I'll second that. Great. We have a motion and a second. 00:10:38
Sheriff for clarification, the second was by member. 00:10:48
Or elders. 00:10:51
Board member Born. 00:11:02
Board member Eldridge. 00:11:06
I remember something. 00:11:09
I'm board member Brooks Aye and chair Boyle. 00:11:12
Chair the motion to adopt the consent agenda. 00:11:18
As presented, passes 5:00 to. 00:11:22
Thank you for that. 00:11:25
We will move over to our regular agenda. 00:11:27
Item 8A, which is architectural permit 23-0246. 00:11:30
10/20. 00:11:38
Del Monte Blvd. 00:11:40
Do we have a staff report? 00:11:42
Yes, chair. 00:11:48
Just one moment, share well. 00:12:01
Display the plans. 00:12:04
The site plan for the project. 00:12:07
Oh. 00:12:15
Good afternoon, Cher, Boyle and board members. On April 11th, 2023, the Architectural Review Board unanimously approved 00:13:02
architectural permit 220164. 00:13:08
And subsequent to that decision, the owner decided to revise the project since the proposed revisions would appreciably alter. 00:13:15
The originally approved design This amendment, AP 220164, is brought before the ARB for consideration. 00:13:23
And this file number for this AP amendment is 230264. 00:13:32
Proposed revisions would include demolition of the existing detached garage, major remodel of the existing residence and 00:13:39
construction of 400 square feet of first floor additions. 00:13:44
A 284 square foot attached. 00:13:50
852 square feet of 2nd floor additions, a 999 square foot covered patio and 649 square feet of 2nd floor deck area, resulting in a 00:13:53
2544 square foot two-story residence. 00:14:01
With the aforementioned garage and patio deck area. 00:14:09
As amended, the project would result in the following modifications to the previously approved project. A6 inch, 6 inch reduction 00:14:15
in main structure height. 00:14:20
A 61 square foot reduction in building coverage. 00:14:26
A 423 square foot reduction in site coverage. 00:14:29
A 35 square foot reduction in gross floor area. 00:14:33
A116 square foot reduction in the covered patio area and a flat roof versus a pitched roof. 00:14:37
And additionally. 00:14:45
Distance from the rear property line to the rear covered patio. 00:14:48
And deck area would also be increased. 00:14:54
Which would improve the privacy any privacy concerns of the adjacent neighbors. 00:15:00
So as redesigned, the project would conform to all required development standards for the zoning district and the project is 00:15:07
categorically exempt from Sequa per Section 15301 existing facilities. And this concludes Staffs presentation and I'm available 00:15:14
for questions and the owners are also present and available for questions. 00:15:21
All right. Thank you for that staff report. 00:15:29
And with the. 00:15:33
Owner or applicant care to give a presentation? 00:15:36
Will give you up to 10 minutes if. 00:15:40
There's a little button down at the bottom. 00:15:56
Testing 1-2 three. 00:16:00
Dear Honorable Chair, dear Vice Chair and the Board Member. 00:16:05
Dear city. 00:16:11
I am Billy Chong and my wife. 00:16:16
Thank you. 00:16:21
For your time from reviewing the document to having this meeting. 00:16:22
Special thanks. 00:16:28
The city. 00:16:30
Mr. 00:16:32
For your health. 00:16:34
So many. 00:16:36
Umm, we love. 00:16:38
Retire living in this beautiful city. 00:16:42
We very much like to express our deep appreciation. 00:16:46
OK. Yeah, it's my turn to say something. 00:16:51
So the the plan was approved. She could not sleep last night. Oh. 00:16:56
I was so scared. No, don't be scared. 00:17:03
So the plan was approved last year on April, but when we start to do the social, we found out that we need to make chances. 00:17:06
One of the main reason is that we always want to have efficient solar on the roof. 00:17:15
And the plan that was? 00:17:22
The roof was not good. 00:17:25
To support that plan and we always dream to have. 00:17:27
Our house. Our retirement home. 00:17:32
Powered by clean energy. Nice. And so that's why we always want a solar underdoor. 00:17:37
So for that reason we have to change the problem and also the roof. 00:17:43
To make it a flat. 00:17:49
To have the best possible solar system. 00:17:51
And we like to thank Joe for your help for. 00:17:55
You work on our punch for mother, Nadia. Thank you so much. 00:18:00
And thank you, the board. 00:18:04
Giving us the chance to speak here and to review our project once again. 00:18:07
And we really. 00:18:13
You can approve our project this. 00:18:15
Thank you so much. Great. Thank you. Thank you for that presentation. That was perfect. 00:18:18
Do we have any members of the public that care to speak to this project? 00:18:26
Chair Lisa Ciani. 00:18:32
Welcome. 00:18:36
Thank you. I hope you can hear me because there's a tree chipper going outside. 00:18:38
We can hear you just fine. 00:18:47
I thank you. 00:18:50
Don't have any objections to the project itself, I think, and I think it's lovely they're going to do. 00:18:53
The solar as we just got solar and we're thrilled with it. 00:19:01
The. 00:19:07
But what I wanted to say was just about the archaeological aspect of this, because. 00:19:09
It says here we go that it's within an archaeologically sensitive area. A phase one inventory of archaeological resources was done 00:19:17
by Ruben Mendoza. 00:19:22
In July of 2022. 00:19:28
And did not identify evidence of cultural resources and concluded that resources are not present on the site. 00:19:31
Which is just just not a realistic conclusion. 00:19:40
And. 00:19:46
So the permit. 00:19:47
Includes. 00:19:50
A condition of approval for inadvertent discovery only. 00:19:54
And inadvertent discovery is appropriate. 00:20:00
In an area that's not an archaeologically sensitive area. 00:20:05
But in an area that is archaeologically sensitive. 00:20:10
There's no way that they that an archaeologist can guarantee. 00:20:15
The. 00:20:21
That there are no resources underground. 00:20:22
And. 00:20:28
Believe that archaeological or tribal monitoring and archaeological monitoring, but at the very least tribal monitoring be 00:20:31
required. 00:20:36
For this. 00:20:43
Project for the ground disturbing work on this. Project this because it's now going to a second. 00:20:45
Story and and presumably there will be more foundation work to be done. 00:20:53
The. 00:21:03
Yeah, I don't think there's the the. 00:21:05
Is able to. 00:21:08
Both archaeological. 00:21:11
Conditions of approval to. 00:21:18
To protect. I'm sorry, I'm my head is rattled by the noise, so I'm having a little trouble here. 00:21:20
In any case, there there are conditions of approval that can be added for both, you know, the the archaeological resources of any 00:21:30
kind and for human remains. But also a tribal monitoring condition of approval can be added and should be. 00:21:40
For this project in an archaeological sensitive area, that would be of course. 00:21:51
Only for the ground disturbing work. Thank you. 00:21:56
Thank you. 00:22:00
The next speaker is Ingle Lorenzen D. 00:22:05
Welcome. Thank you. I don't have a tree chipper. Just a Gray day outside. 00:22:08
I'm going to agree with Lisa that there should be some tribal monitoring on the ground disturbance. 00:22:16
Because we certainly have been waiting for the protocols and this one is a little more extensive and. 00:22:23
Possibly the paving in, the extra coverage and stuff should be permeable. 00:22:30
And. 00:22:37
I personally don't like the flat roof and don't think. 00:22:40
Fits well in that little old neighborhood in its immediate. 00:22:43
Neighbors, but that's my own personal opinion. 00:22:47
And Pacific Grove has room for all. 00:22:51
Thank you very much. 00:22:55
Thank you. 00:22:57
No other attendees have their hands raised. 00:23:03
Right go, we will go ahead and close public comment and bring it back to the board. 00:23:06
Any uh. 00:23:14
Any comments? 00:23:18
Want to start an? 00:23:21
Sure I. 00:23:29
Thank you for this revised plan set. Overall, I do. 00:23:31
I think that the flat Roo. 00:23:37
Is more compatible with the design. 00:23:40
And I I appreciate the changes you made, even though they were driven by, you know, structural, just the layout changes. That 00:23:43
seems more intentional. I I I personally like this design better. 00:23:49
I do have a couple comments. Just overall, Molly, I do feel it meets the guidelines it does. 00:23:55
Look a bit modern for that neighborhood. However, I think that just speaks more to the deficit in our guidelines that we don't 00:24:04
really address modern homes. It's just kind of inferred. 00:24:10
Based on on the other kind of design elements. 00:24:18
And this home in particular, the way it's cited, you have the kind of open space in front of the home. So it it. 00:24:21
And on that streetscape, it will. 00:24:28
It will stand out a bit, but I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing, so I do support this project. 00:24:31
But I would like. 00:24:40
To see. 00:24:42
And this can just be part of your condition of approval. I don't see a lighting plan noted on here. 00:24:43
So that's something that we would like to see in general. 00:24:51
And then just a note to the architect. 00:24:55
To update the elevations with coordinates. 00:24:59
Southeast, West and not left and right, just for clarity. 00:25:04
But other than that, I think it's a nice revision and I think it's a nice design that that. 00:25:08
New architect came up. 00:25:16
Thank you. Did you have any comments? 00:25:23
Enter. 00:25:25
I think, OK, there we go. 00:25:28
I agree with. 00:25:32
Bernstein. 00:25:35
The elevation should be labeled with. 00:25:37
Compass coord. 00:25:40
Northeast, Southwest. It's just a lot easier to. 00:25:42
I believe. 00:25:46
Floor plans. Also it's a 3.0, it doesn't have a N era which kind of further. 00:25:49
Leads to some. 00:25:55
I won't say I was confused by it because there was enough. 00:25:58
Evidence of the orientation to figure it out but it. 00:26:01
It would just be a little bit. 00:26:05
More straightforward if. 00:26:07
Every floor plan should have N arrow on it that I'll just leave it. 00:26:09
Overall in discussing this project with Josie Door it sounds like this is all these revisions are really kind of nipping and 00:26:14
talking on the previously approved plan and. 00:26:20
It's not quite as tall, it's it's not quite as much Flurry, it's not quite as much site coverage. 00:26:28
Less impactful. I know there was a neighbor to the West. It was a little concerned about solar exposure. 00:26:35
This design should take that into consideration. I also appreciated the owner's objective. 00:26:40
Coming up with flat roofs simply for in order to create. 00:26:46
Unobstructed real estate for solar panels that I understand. 00:26:51
Why they did that? And it makes sense to me. 00:26:56
I'm in support of the project. It's. 00:27:01
Pretty minor adjustments and they all make sense to me. 00:27:03
Thank you. 00:27:08
Christy, did you want to go? 00:27:11
Yes, you two made it very easy on me. Thank you. I'd also noticed the lighting. Would love to see. 00:27:13
It's not an end all. 00:27:19
And I also approved the project. I love that you're adding the. 00:27:21
And the revisions makes. 00:27:26
Great ice skates that you. 00:27:29
Hey everyone, Happy New Year. Good to see you all. 00:27:34
As always, I think, my colleagues. 00:27:39
Very astute comments that certainly support and agree with. I'm in support of the project, I don't I have one. I had one kind of 00:27:43
comment. It's more aesthetic and it's my personal taste. So I kind of just defer to the rest of the group if they are of similar 00:27:49
similar mind. But the one thing that I. 00:27:56
That kind of stood out to me was just the box shape from the front elevation. 00:28:02
And you know you can tell in the in the actual. 00:28:09
Bird's eye view plan that there's certainly some dimension there and. 00:28:14
But there? 00:28:19
I would just like to see a more of a tapered layered view from the. 00:28:21
I the left and right elevations to come inward and it seems like there is enough. 00:28:26
Area real estate in the back where you could kind of push out the, you know, bedroom 3 or you know back to the the back on the 00:28:31
roof deck or to the right. Similarly similarly with the master bedroom. So I I think there would there be a way to do that. So it 00:28:37
would give it kind of more dimension, more of a layered cake feel and I think more aesthetically pleasing at least from the Street 00:28:43
View. 00:28:49
It seemed like the fire when I was taking a look at the prior drawings that. 00:28:57
There was a little more kind of dimension on the 2nd floor, kind of like staggered backwards. I'm not sure if that was accurate or 00:29:05
not. I wasn't actually here for. 00:29:10
The April meeting. But in any event, that was really the the, the one thing that kind of stood out to me that I that I would have 00:29:15
preferred to have seen instead of just one big rectangular box from the front St. to kind of have the second story tapered in a 00:29:20
little bit. 00:29:25
But you know, I would if if my colleagues were so inclined to. 00:29:30
Support that then I would I would have that as a minor revision, but. 00:29:35
It's not, again I guess required via the. 00:29:40
Guidelines. 00:29:43
Are in. 00:29:46
I'll leave it at that. 00:29:48
Right. 00:29:51
I was pleased with the general reduction in everything. That was my big take away. 00:29:54
I actually prefer the the flat roof on this. 00:30:03
Home and I was always wondering kind of what was the reasoning that they were coming back and I'm. 00:30:09
Thrilled that. 00:30:15
For environmental reasons, I'd like to get your feedback on wedding caking the sides. 00:30:17
To me it's not. 00:30:28
You know, I deal with this a lot in my work where people look at something in two-dimensional elevation form and it and and you 00:30:31
can never ever see something in two-dimensional elevation form. So on paper it does look very boxy. But I do believe that when you 00:30:39
are looking at it in real life, I feel like we're going to get some more dimension because the front elevation has this wedding 00:30:47
caking step step back. But I think that we ought to talk about that and and we ought to also talk about. 00:30:55
Having a condition of approval be the. 00:31:05
Tribal. 00:31:10
And I just want to throw that out and get comments from you guys on that. 00:31:13
You can jump in as you would. 00:31:18
I'll take a stab just discussing the the idea. 00:31:22
Wedding wedding cake design. It does have that in the east and West facades, and I may agree it doesn't have it so much in the 00:31:27
North and South besides. But. 00:31:32
There is some fishing. 00:31:39
Elements kind of coming in and out along the the North and South facades. There's also some deep overhangs and then you know a 00:31:42
combination of deep overhangs in some areas and then. 00:31:47
No overhangs. 00:31:54
On bedrooms 2:00 and 3:00 on that side of the house. 00:31:56
All of that, in my opinion, kind of articulates. 00:32:00
The the North and South facades and. 00:32:04
Yeah, is it As an architect I. 00:32:10
I agree with what you're saying, Sarah. You you can't. 00:32:14
Judge A2 dimensional line. 00:32:17
As well as you can a perspective drawing and unfortunately we don't have any perspective drawings or you know 3D renderings or 00:32:20
anything to to go with here. But I I can kind of see past the fact that. 00:32:25
You know, the east and West walls do stack. There's also just. 00:32:32
There's a practicality to that because the load paths are being able. 00:32:37
To go straight down to the ground on the east and West sides, whereas. 00:32:41
And the North and South. 00:32:47
There's some interior walls that are stacking, but it's there's going to be more engineering consideration and expense there. 00:32:49
And. 00:32:59
I I'm I'm OK with this. I don't think it needs further revision because of everything I just said. 00:33:01
And just on a personal note, you both seem like lovely people and. 00:33:09
Congratulations on retiring. 00:33:14
That's a beautiful thing. 00:33:17
I'll leave it. 00:33:19
Thank you. Anybody else have? 00:33:20
Comments I'm of the same. 00:33:23
As you. 00:33:27
Sure. I'm. 00:33:29
In regards to the the boxiness you talked about Scott. 00:33:32
I feel like that's going to be offset because of the change in the materials. 00:33:35
So with the wood and the stucco that you're going to get that architectural interest? 00:33:38
And I didn't mention before, but yes, the flat roof really fits the styling so I can can speak to that. 00:33:43
That's all I have. 00:33:49
Yeah, yeah, I agree. I didn't think that as well that it might read a little boxy, especially in the kind of streetscape. I did 00:33:52
see existing flat roofs in the neighborhood. 00:33:57
Yes, but the the color palette read differently, so this does definitely read very modern and with the. 00:34:03
You know the horizontal siding, the wood siding, and the white. 00:34:12
And the Cloud White specifically that is kind of? 00:34:15
However. 00:34:19
Yes, I just don't think these flat drawings do it justice. And then just regarding the condition of approval, I'm not in support 00:34:21
of. 00:34:25
Adding tribal monitoring just because I would. 00:34:31
Defer to the construction management plan. 00:34:35
And the GC on this to elevate any artifacts or human remains and and follow the procedure right? Yeah. 00:34:39
Good to know. 00:34:48
Anybody else? 00:34:49
Yeah, I'll just second Anna's comment right there. 00:34:50
And we, I think we've talked about this before, but yeah, I don't think it would be appropriate to require that here, particularly 00:34:54
in light of what the staff has already kind of recommended and already taken a look. And yeah, I think that would be. 00:35:00
A bit of a slippery slope to it would essentially just kind of mandate us to require travel monitoring for any we've we've had 00:35:07
discussions like this before in the past and and we've all come to the same conclusion and I'm very appreciative that Miss Shani 00:35:15
is going to these links because then it's going to make our job easier. But you know as the chair when we get comments, I like to 00:35:22
bring it up so that we can have a discussion on the NIAS and so yeah and each project is unique. 00:35:30
And then this ground disturbance that, you know, it has been disturbed. So yeah, I think. 00:35:38
I think it's safe. OK, well, I think we could probably entertain a motion at this point if somebody would like to take a stab. 00:35:43
I'll make a motion. 00:36:02
To. I guess we're just going to approve the project as is. 00:36:03
And with the assumption that the the lighting plan would be reviewed and submitted to the. 00:36:09
OK. 00:36:15
I'll second. 00:36:19
OK, we have a. 00:36:21
A motion. 00:36:26
To approve as submitted. 00:36:29
With the Categorical Exemption sequel guidelines. 00:36:33
Section 15301. Class One existing facilities and we have a second. 00:36:39
We get a roll call. 00:36:46
Yes, board member born. 00:36:49
Board member. 00:36:55
Aye, board member Brooks. 00:36:56
Aye, Vice Chair Eldridge. 00:37:00
Aye and Cher. 00:37:03
Aye chair. The motion to approve the project as presented is approved by a vote of five. 00:37:06
Thank you. 00:37:13
We have no continuing and ongoing business. We have no new business as it appears, no presentations. Our next meeting is February 00:37:16
13th. 00:37:22
And it is 335 meeting is. 00:37:30
Thank you all. Happy New Year. 00:37:34
Actually. 00:37:37
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OK. It's 3:00. We'll go ahead. 00:01:53
Call this meeting to order. 00:01:57
Today is Tuesday, January 9th. This is the Architectural Review Board and can we get a roll call please? 00:02:01
Board member. 00:02:17
Board member E. 00:02:22
Yeah, Board member Brooks. 00:02:24
Here board member Bornstein. 00:02:27
And Cher Boyle here. 00:02:31
Sharon, we have 5 board members. 00:02:33
Present for the quorum for today's meeting. 00:02:37
Thank you so much. Item number 2 on our agenda is approval of the agenda. I am assuming everybody has had a chance to take a look 00:02:40
at it and if anybody. 00:02:45
Has anything. 00:02:52
That needs. 00:02:57
Is that OK Then we can look at an approval of the agenda motion for that? 00:02:58
Sure. I'll move to approve the agenda. 00:03:05
Well seconded. Great. We have a motion and. 00:03:08
All in favor. 00:03:17
Aye. 00:03:19
I'll do a roll call. Thank you. 00:03:21
Board member Brooks. 00:03:26
Aye board member Stephen. 00:03:28
Vice chair. 00:03:34
Aye, board member born. 00:03:36
And chair boy. 00:03:40
Aye chair. The motion to adopt the agenda as presented is it passed 5 to 0. 00:03:41
Great. Thank you. Item number three, board and staff announcements. Do we have any? 00:03:49
Staff has no announcements at this time. Anything from the board? 00:03:56
No seeing none. 00:04:02
Close item 3 and move on. I got an e-mail earlier from Debbie Back saying who are as our council liaison saying she was not able 00:04:04
to attend the meeting so. 00:04:10
We can close item four and move on to general public comment and at this time. 00:04:18
We can. 00:04:25
Public. 00:04:29
For items that. 00:04:31
City related, but not on our agenda this evening and we can give you. 00:04:33
A limit of three. 00:04:39
Anybody. 00:04:43
Council chambers. 00:04:46
It doesn't appear that we have anybody, anybody in the audience. 00:04:48
We have one raised hand. 00:04:53
Sheriff, there is one virtual attendee with their hand raised. 00:04:57
Lisa. 00:05:01
Thank you and happy New Year to you all. 00:05:05
I just, I'm not sure. I don't think it's been mentioned at ARB for quite some time, the archaeological. 00:05:09
Protocol. I'll just shorten it to that. 00:05:19
It was something like archaeological and tribal monitoring. 00:05:23
Protocol, but anyway the name's been changed that that. 00:05:27
The city contracted for in 2000. 00:05:33
2000, yeah, in, in December of 2000 and it was actually completed by Rincon in. 00:05:37
The fall of 2000 or late summer, but it got waylaid by. 00:05:46
Public works. 00:05:53
And it never got anywhere. 00:05:54
Where it needed to be reviewed, it was supposed to be reviewed by Planning Commission and City Council. 00:05:59
So anyway, I did start protesting at the beginning of 2023, and it finally made it to the Planning Commission in. 00:06:07
When I say September. 00:06:21
And. 00:06:24
Allowed for the presentation, but they wanted to discuss it and it was already 10:00 and then it never came back to Planning 00:06:28
Commission because. 00:06:33
Apparently the contract ran out of money after all that time. I mean, yeah, it was, you know, three years later. 00:06:39
And even though no work had been done other than. 00:06:47
Planning. Excuse me? Public Works let it be known that they had some concerns and had made some changes. But they would they. 00:06:52
Did not divulge what the changes were. So anyway, it's now waiting for the public works to take it back to City Council for more 00:07:01
money so that they can continue reviewing it. And I will say since this you know most of you are new and aren't aware that I've 00:07:09
I've been an advocate for Native American. 00:07:18
Rights for for monitoring. 00:07:28
For many years now and well since 2015 I think and. 00:07:32
This. 00:07:39
Such a disappointing protocol. I wrote, I believe, 19 pages of comments to Planning Commission about the deficiencies and and what 00:07:42
actually is needed in Pacific Grove. But. 00:07:51
This needs to get done sometime. This is a very very important thing considering all the development that is done. That is ground 00:08:01
disturbing work. 00:08:06
In Pacific Groves archaeological zones, which is the entire coastal zone. 00:08:13
And then some distance in from that and there are even archaeological resources found. 00:08:18
Outside the what's considered the archaeological zone, So I hope you will inquire about it also because this is very important in 00:08:26
development projects to respect Native American resources and and. 00:08:35
Ancestors and we need to have a clear cut policy. I think I I know it is challenging for public works because it takes extra time 00:08:45
and money, but it it's very important for PGS cultural heritage. 00:08:54
And and respect for the Native Americans. 00:09:03
Thank you for your continued hard work on that. 00:09:08
Share No other attendees. Virtual attendees have their hand raised. Great. We will go ahead and close item five general public 00:09:15
comment and go over to the consent agenda. 00:09:20
The consent agenda consists of our minutes. 00:09:30
Did everybody have a chance to take a look at that? Was there anything that anybody? 00:09:37
Add any. 00:09:46
Comments on. 00:09:48
Joe, I'm drawing a blank. Do I need to open? 00:09:50
To the public if they want to pull the anything from the consent agenda. 00:09:54
Yes, OK. So. 00:10:01
We will. 00:10:04
Offer that to the public if they want to pull anything from the consent agenda. 00:10:06
No virtual attendees have their hand raised. OK, we can close public comment on that and bring it back to the board if. 00:10:15
Nobody. 00:10:23
Has anything then we. 00:10:26
Entertain a motion. 00:10:28
To approve the consent agenda as submitted. 00:10:32
I'll make a motion to approve the consent agenda. I'll second that. Great. We have a motion and a second. 00:10:38
Sheriff for clarification, the second was by member. 00:10:48
Or elders. 00:10:51
Board member Born. 00:11:02
Board member Eldridge. 00:11:06
I remember something. 00:11:09
I'm board member Brooks Aye and chair Boyle. 00:11:12
Chair the motion to adopt the consent agenda. 00:11:18
As presented, passes 5:00 to. 00:11:22
Thank you for that. 00:11:25
We will move over to our regular agenda. 00:11:27
Item 8A, which is architectural permit 23-0246. 00:11:30
10/20. 00:11:38
Del Monte Blvd. 00:11:40
Do we have a staff report? 00:11:42
Yes, chair. 00:11:48
Just one moment, share well. 00:12:01
Display the plans. 00:12:04
The site plan for the project. 00:12:07
Oh. 00:12:15
Good afternoon, Cher, Boyle and board members. On April 11th, 2023, the Architectural Review Board unanimously approved 00:13:02
architectural permit 220164. 00:13:08
And subsequent to that decision, the owner decided to revise the project since the proposed revisions would appreciably alter. 00:13:15
The originally approved design This amendment, AP 220164, is brought before the ARB for consideration. 00:13:23
And this file number for this AP amendment is 230264. 00:13:32
Proposed revisions would include demolition of the existing detached garage, major remodel of the existing residence and 00:13:39
construction of 400 square feet of first floor additions. 00:13:44
A 284 square foot attached. 00:13:50
852 square feet of 2nd floor additions, a 999 square foot covered patio and 649 square feet of 2nd floor deck area, resulting in a 00:13:53
2544 square foot two-story residence. 00:14:01
With the aforementioned garage and patio deck area. 00:14:09
As amended, the project would result in the following modifications to the previously approved project. A6 inch, 6 inch reduction 00:14:15
in main structure height. 00:14:20
A 61 square foot reduction in building coverage. 00:14:26
A 423 square foot reduction in site coverage. 00:14:29
A 35 square foot reduction in gross floor area. 00:14:33
A116 square foot reduction in the covered patio area and a flat roof versus a pitched roof. 00:14:37
And additionally. 00:14:45
Distance from the rear property line to the rear covered patio. 00:14:48
And deck area would also be increased. 00:14:54
Which would improve the privacy any privacy concerns of the adjacent neighbors. 00:15:00
So as redesigned, the project would conform to all required development standards for the zoning district and the project is 00:15:07
categorically exempt from Sequa per Section 15301 existing facilities. And this concludes Staffs presentation and I'm available 00:15:14
for questions and the owners are also present and available for questions. 00:15:21
All right. Thank you for that staff report. 00:15:29
And with the. 00:15:33
Owner or applicant care to give a presentation? 00:15:36
Will give you up to 10 minutes if. 00:15:40
There's a little button down at the bottom. 00:15:56
Testing 1-2 three. 00:16:00
Dear Honorable Chair, dear Vice Chair and the Board Member. 00:16:05
Dear city. 00:16:11
I am Billy Chong and my wife. 00:16:16
Thank you. 00:16:21
For your time from reviewing the document to having this meeting. 00:16:22
Special thanks. 00:16:28
The city. 00:16:30
Mr. 00:16:32
For your health. 00:16:34
So many. 00:16:36
Umm, we love. 00:16:38
Retire living in this beautiful city. 00:16:42
We very much like to express our deep appreciation. 00:16:46
OK. Yeah, it's my turn to say something. 00:16:51
So the the plan was approved. She could not sleep last night. Oh. 00:16:56
I was so scared. No, don't be scared. 00:17:03
So the plan was approved last year on April, but when we start to do the social, we found out that we need to make chances. 00:17:06
One of the main reason is that we always want to have efficient solar on the roof. 00:17:15
And the plan that was? 00:17:22
The roof was not good. 00:17:25
To support that plan and we always dream to have. 00:17:27
Our house. Our retirement home. 00:17:32
Powered by clean energy. Nice. And so that's why we always want a solar underdoor. 00:17:37
So for that reason we have to change the problem and also the roof. 00:17:43
To make it a flat. 00:17:49
To have the best possible solar system. 00:17:51
And we like to thank Joe for your help for. 00:17:55
You work on our punch for mother, Nadia. Thank you so much. 00:18:00
And thank you, the board. 00:18:04
Giving us the chance to speak here and to review our project once again. 00:18:07
And we really. 00:18:13
You can approve our project this. 00:18:15
Thank you so much. Great. Thank you. Thank you for that presentation. That was perfect. 00:18:18
Do we have any members of the public that care to speak to this project? 00:18:26
Chair Lisa Ciani. 00:18:32
Welcome. 00:18:36
Thank you. I hope you can hear me because there's a tree chipper going outside. 00:18:38
We can hear you just fine. 00:18:47
I thank you. 00:18:50
Don't have any objections to the project itself, I think, and I think it's lovely they're going to do. 00:18:53
The solar as we just got solar and we're thrilled with it. 00:19:01
The. 00:19:07
But what I wanted to say was just about the archaeological aspect of this, because. 00:19:09
It says here we go that it's within an archaeologically sensitive area. A phase one inventory of archaeological resources was done 00:19:17
by Ruben Mendoza. 00:19:22
In July of 2022. 00:19:28
And did not identify evidence of cultural resources and concluded that resources are not present on the site. 00:19:31
Which is just just not a realistic conclusion. 00:19:40
And. 00:19:46
So the permit. 00:19:47
Includes. 00:19:50
A condition of approval for inadvertent discovery only. 00:19:54
And inadvertent discovery is appropriate. 00:20:00
In an area that's not an archaeologically sensitive area. 00:20:05
But in an area that is archaeologically sensitive. 00:20:10
There's no way that they that an archaeologist can guarantee. 00:20:15
The. 00:20:21
That there are no resources underground. 00:20:22
And. 00:20:28
Believe that archaeological or tribal monitoring and archaeological monitoring, but at the very least tribal monitoring be 00:20:31
required. 00:20:36
For this. 00:20:43
Project for the ground disturbing work on this. Project this because it's now going to a second. 00:20:45
Story and and presumably there will be more foundation work to be done. 00:20:53
The. 00:21:03
Yeah, I don't think there's the the. 00:21:05
Is able to. 00:21:08
Both archaeological. 00:21:11
Conditions of approval to. 00:21:18
To protect. I'm sorry, I'm my head is rattled by the noise, so I'm having a little trouble here. 00:21:20
In any case, there there are conditions of approval that can be added for both, you know, the the archaeological resources of any 00:21:30
kind and for human remains. But also a tribal monitoring condition of approval can be added and should be. 00:21:40
For this project in an archaeological sensitive area, that would be of course. 00:21:51
Only for the ground disturbing work. Thank you. 00:21:56
Thank you. 00:22:00
The next speaker is Ingle Lorenzen D. 00:22:05
Welcome. Thank you. I don't have a tree chipper. Just a Gray day outside. 00:22:08
I'm going to agree with Lisa that there should be some tribal monitoring on the ground disturbance. 00:22:16
Because we certainly have been waiting for the protocols and this one is a little more extensive and. 00:22:23
Possibly the paving in, the extra coverage and stuff should be permeable. 00:22:30
And. 00:22:37
I personally don't like the flat roof and don't think. 00:22:40
Fits well in that little old neighborhood in its immediate. 00:22:43
Neighbors, but that's my own personal opinion. 00:22:47
And Pacific Grove has room for all. 00:22:51
Thank you very much. 00:22:55
Thank you. 00:22:57
No other attendees have their hands raised. 00:23:03
Right go, we will go ahead and close public comment and bring it back to the board. 00:23:06
Any uh. 00:23:14
Any comments? 00:23:18
Want to start an? 00:23:21
Sure I. 00:23:29
Thank you for this revised plan set. Overall, I do. 00:23:31
I think that the flat Roo. 00:23:37
Is more compatible with the design. 00:23:40
And I I appreciate the changes you made, even though they were driven by, you know, structural, just the layout changes. That 00:23:43
seems more intentional. I I I personally like this design better. 00:23:49
I do have a couple comments. Just overall, Molly, I do feel it meets the guidelines it does. 00:23:55
Look a bit modern for that neighborhood. However, I think that just speaks more to the deficit in our guidelines that we don't 00:24:04
really address modern homes. It's just kind of inferred. 00:24:10
Based on on the other kind of design elements. 00:24:18
And this home in particular, the way it's cited, you have the kind of open space in front of the home. So it it. 00:24:21
And on that streetscape, it will. 00:24:28
It will stand out a bit, but I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing, so I do support this project. 00:24:31
But I would like. 00:24:40
To see. 00:24:42
And this can just be part of your condition of approval. I don't see a lighting plan noted on here. 00:24:43
So that's something that we would like to see in general. 00:24:51
And then just a note to the architect. 00:24:55
To update the elevations with coordinates. 00:24:59
Southeast, West and not left and right, just for clarity. 00:25:04
But other than that, I think it's a nice revision and I think it's a nice design that that. 00:25:08
New architect came up. 00:25:16
Thank you. Did you have any comments? 00:25:23
Enter. 00:25:25
I think, OK, there we go. 00:25:28
I agree with. 00:25:32
Bernstein. 00:25:35
The elevation should be labeled with. 00:25:37
Compass coord. 00:25:40
Northeast, Southwest. It's just a lot easier to. 00:25:42
I believe. 00:25:46
Floor plans. Also it's a 3.0, it doesn't have a N era which kind of further. 00:25:49
Leads to some. 00:25:55
I won't say I was confused by it because there was enough. 00:25:58
Evidence of the orientation to figure it out but it. 00:26:01
It would just be a little bit. 00:26:05
More straightforward if. 00:26:07
Every floor plan should have N arrow on it that I'll just leave it. 00:26:09
Overall in discussing this project with Josie Door it sounds like this is all these revisions are really kind of nipping and 00:26:14
talking on the previously approved plan and. 00:26:20
It's not quite as tall, it's it's not quite as much Flurry, it's not quite as much site coverage. 00:26:28
Less impactful. I know there was a neighbor to the West. It was a little concerned about solar exposure. 00:26:35
This design should take that into consideration. I also appreciated the owner's objective. 00:26:40
Coming up with flat roofs simply for in order to create. 00:26:46
Unobstructed real estate for solar panels that I understand. 00:26:51
Why they did that? And it makes sense to me. 00:26:56
I'm in support of the project. It's. 00:27:01
Pretty minor adjustments and they all make sense to me. 00:27:03
Thank you. 00:27:08
Christy, did you want to go? 00:27:11
Yes, you two made it very easy on me. Thank you. I'd also noticed the lighting. Would love to see. 00:27:13
It's not an end all. 00:27:19
And I also approved the project. I love that you're adding the. 00:27:21
And the revisions makes. 00:27:26
Great ice skates that you. 00:27:29
Hey everyone, Happy New Year. Good to see you all. 00:27:34
As always, I think, my colleagues. 00:27:39
Very astute comments that certainly support and agree with. I'm in support of the project, I don't I have one. I had one kind of 00:27:43
comment. It's more aesthetic and it's my personal taste. So I kind of just defer to the rest of the group if they are of similar 00:27:49
similar mind. But the one thing that I. 00:27:56
That kind of stood out to me was just the box shape from the front elevation. 00:28:02
And you know you can tell in the in the actual. 00:28:09
Bird's eye view plan that there's certainly some dimension there and. 00:28:14
But there? 00:28:19
I would just like to see a more of a tapered layered view from the. 00:28:21
I the left and right elevations to come inward and it seems like there is enough. 00:28:26
Area real estate in the back where you could kind of push out the, you know, bedroom 3 or you know back to the the back on the 00:28:31
roof deck or to the right. Similarly similarly with the master bedroom. So I I think there would there be a way to do that. So it 00:28:37
would give it kind of more dimension, more of a layered cake feel and I think more aesthetically pleasing at least from the Street 00:28:43
View. 00:28:49
It seemed like the fire when I was taking a look at the prior drawings that. 00:28:57
There was a little more kind of dimension on the 2nd floor, kind of like staggered backwards. I'm not sure if that was accurate or 00:29:05
not. I wasn't actually here for. 00:29:10
The April meeting. But in any event, that was really the the, the one thing that kind of stood out to me that I that I would have 00:29:15
preferred to have seen instead of just one big rectangular box from the front St. to kind of have the second story tapered in a 00:29:20
little bit. 00:29:25
But you know, I would if if my colleagues were so inclined to. 00:29:30
Support that then I would I would have that as a minor revision, but. 00:29:35
It's not, again I guess required via the. 00:29:40
Guidelines. 00:29:43
Are in. 00:29:46
I'll leave it at that. 00:29:48
Right. 00:29:51
I was pleased with the general reduction in everything. That was my big take away. 00:29:54
I actually prefer the the flat roof on this. 00:30:03
Home and I was always wondering kind of what was the reasoning that they were coming back and I'm. 00:30:09
Thrilled that. 00:30:15
For environmental reasons, I'd like to get your feedback on wedding caking the sides. 00:30:17
To me it's not. 00:30:28
You know, I deal with this a lot in my work where people look at something in two-dimensional elevation form and it and and you 00:30:31
can never ever see something in two-dimensional elevation form. So on paper it does look very boxy. But I do believe that when you 00:30:39
are looking at it in real life, I feel like we're going to get some more dimension because the front elevation has this wedding 00:30:47
caking step step back. But I think that we ought to talk about that and and we ought to also talk about. 00:30:55
Having a condition of approval be the. 00:31:05
Tribal. 00:31:10
And I just want to throw that out and get comments from you guys on that. 00:31:13
You can jump in as you would. 00:31:18
I'll take a stab just discussing the the idea. 00:31:22
Wedding wedding cake design. It does have that in the east and West facades, and I may agree it doesn't have it so much in the 00:31:27
North and South besides. But. 00:31:32
There is some fishing. 00:31:39
Elements kind of coming in and out along the the North and South facades. There's also some deep overhangs and then you know a 00:31:42
combination of deep overhangs in some areas and then. 00:31:47
No overhangs. 00:31:54
On bedrooms 2:00 and 3:00 on that side of the house. 00:31:56
All of that, in my opinion, kind of articulates. 00:32:00
The the North and South facades and. 00:32:04
Yeah, is it As an architect I. 00:32:10
I agree with what you're saying, Sarah. You you can't. 00:32:14
Judge A2 dimensional line. 00:32:17
As well as you can a perspective drawing and unfortunately we don't have any perspective drawings or you know 3D renderings or 00:32:20
anything to to go with here. But I I can kind of see past the fact that. 00:32:25
You know, the east and West walls do stack. There's also just. 00:32:32
There's a practicality to that because the load paths are being able. 00:32:37
To go straight down to the ground on the east and West sides, whereas. 00:32:41
And the North and South. 00:32:47
There's some interior walls that are stacking, but it's there's going to be more engineering consideration and expense there. 00:32:49
And. 00:32:59
I I'm I'm OK with this. I don't think it needs further revision because of everything I just said. 00:33:01
And just on a personal note, you both seem like lovely people and. 00:33:09
Congratulations on retiring. 00:33:14
That's a beautiful thing. 00:33:17
I'll leave it. 00:33:19
Thank you. Anybody else have? 00:33:20
Comments I'm of the same. 00:33:23
As you. 00:33:27
Sure. I'm. 00:33:29
In regards to the the boxiness you talked about Scott. 00:33:32
I feel like that's going to be offset because of the change in the materials. 00:33:35
So with the wood and the stucco that you're going to get that architectural interest? 00:33:38
And I didn't mention before, but yes, the flat roof really fits the styling so I can can speak to that. 00:33:43
That's all I have. 00:33:49
Yeah, yeah, I agree. I didn't think that as well that it might read a little boxy, especially in the kind of streetscape. I did 00:33:52
see existing flat roofs in the neighborhood. 00:33:57
Yes, but the the color palette read differently, so this does definitely read very modern and with the. 00:34:03
You know the horizontal siding, the wood siding, and the white. 00:34:12
And the Cloud White specifically that is kind of? 00:34:15
However. 00:34:19
Yes, I just don't think these flat drawings do it justice. And then just regarding the condition of approval, I'm not in support 00:34:21
of. 00:34:25
Adding tribal monitoring just because I would. 00:34:31
Defer to the construction management plan. 00:34:35
And the GC on this to elevate any artifacts or human remains and and follow the procedure right? Yeah. 00:34:39
Good to know. 00:34:48
Anybody else? 00:34:49
Yeah, I'll just second Anna's comment right there. 00:34:50
And we, I think we've talked about this before, but yeah, I don't think it would be appropriate to require that here, particularly 00:34:54
in light of what the staff has already kind of recommended and already taken a look. And yeah, I think that would be. 00:35:00
A bit of a slippery slope to it would essentially just kind of mandate us to require travel monitoring for any we've we've had 00:35:07
discussions like this before in the past and and we've all come to the same conclusion and I'm very appreciative that Miss Shani 00:35:15
is going to these links because then it's going to make our job easier. But you know as the chair when we get comments, I like to 00:35:22
bring it up so that we can have a discussion on the NIAS and so yeah and each project is unique. 00:35:30
And then this ground disturbance that, you know, it has been disturbed. So yeah, I think. 00:35:38
I think it's safe. OK, well, I think we could probably entertain a motion at this point if somebody would like to take a stab. 00:35:43
I'll make a motion. 00:36:02
To. I guess we're just going to approve the project as is. 00:36:03
And with the assumption that the the lighting plan would be reviewed and submitted to the. 00:36:09
OK. 00:36:15
I'll second. 00:36:19
OK, we have a. 00:36:21
A motion. 00:36:26
To approve as submitted. 00:36:29
With the Categorical Exemption sequel guidelines. 00:36:33
Section 15301. Class One existing facilities and we have a second. 00:36:39
We get a roll call. 00:36:46
Yes, board member born. 00:36:49
Board member. 00:36:55
Aye, board member Brooks. 00:36:56
Aye, Vice Chair Eldridge. 00:37:00
Aye and Cher. 00:37:03
Aye chair. The motion to approve the project as presented is approved by a vote of five. 00:37:06
Thank you. 00:37:13
We have no continuing and ongoing business. We have no new business as it appears, no presentations. Our next meeting is February 00:37:16
13th. 00:37:22
And it is 335 meeting is. 00:37:30
Thank you all. Happy New Year. 00:37:34
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